How Fans Treat Creators

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friends and family the nature of these relationships is often weirder and much more confusing than ever I think this is especially true for people who became well known almost entirely off the internet because their fame is often directly dependent on their ability to effectively communicate with their followers if your followers don't see you as a friend that can literally hamper your ability to become successful and as a result things can get pretty weird I'm making this video from the perspective I guess of an online personality to clarify I know I'm not famous I've been recognized a couple times in public but most people don't know who I am and when people are recommending my channel to others the word that gets most commonly used is underrated so I mean there's bad at the same time I still have the kind of jarring experience of existing to a lot of people outside my immediate social circle I mean generally speaking for most people you exist to the same people who exist to you the people who know you know who you are and discuss you tend to be people you know as well this isn't universally the case but unless you go viral in some way you probably aren't going to have strangers paying close attention to who you are that's good in some ways than bad in others I mean it there are lots of ways your life it's harder when you don't have a big platform if I or one of my friends suddenly and a really bad financial situation and I needed to share posts about it to get people's attention and help I have no doubt that I would have an easier time getting support for myself and my friends than a lot of other people on the other hand there are a lot of positives associated with the situation where people you don't know generally don't care about your life there is a freedom and knowing people will mind their own business about whatever you're doing as long as it's not hurting anyone but for me since I've started making videos and becoming more known to people that isn't the case anymore it's incredibly weird to for example go to my favorite debate meeting page on Facebook and suddenly see people I've never heard of discussing me or seeing people recommend my videos on reddit and at leading to a discussion of people trying to work out what my political beliefs are as if that's a thing that's really important to them or a thing I'm secretive about that they need to Nancy Drew out of my videos I mean it's part of the gig when you sign up to make videos on YouTube and to be clear I love my job I think it's awesome that I get to share a phenomena that I find interesting or cool with an audience and have people react and learn something about it but at the same time being a public figure I'll be at a very small one still does impact how people treat you on a personal level and that affects both creators themselves and the people watching them for this video I want to talk about how the popularity of online creators has changed the way we conceptualize boundaries in our interactions for better or for worse I want to share some of my own experiences as well as some interesting case studies for other times this has happened and I want to talk about why this is often the case and what we can do about it so first of all let's talk about the screeching hell of parasocial relationships I touched on parasocial relationships a little bit in my video double standards and diverse media where I basically say that we're more likely to turn on creators who feel more accessible to us part of the reason we see more call-out posts directed towards youtubers than we see directed towards movie stars is because we usually feel that we have more close personal relationships with youtubers it feels like more of a betrayal when they disappoint us you're more likely to get a response from them if you can contact them over social media and many people feel like youtubers are more beholden to their viewers specifically if you aren't familiar with the term a parasocial relationship is kind of a one-sided relationship where one party is investing a lot of emotional energy into the relationship and the other party isn't even aware that the first person exists the term was coined in 1956 and at the time mostly referred to performers on television but it didn't really take up mainstream usage online until recently I first heard the term after the channels chirchi movies made a really excellent series called fake friends that talks about the various issues associated with these relationships it's a great series and I'd recommend giving it a watch unfortunately part two of the series is currently suffering a false copyright claim so a link Shannon's Twitter if you want to help her get some support and raise YouTube's attention for that nowadays while the term can still apply to mainstream celebrities like band members it's particularly common to use it to refer to online personalities and a lot of that is that there's a much bigger incentive for these personalities to appear down-to-earth and close to you I mean a lot of celebrities do base their image off the idea that they could potentially be your friend part of the whole appeal of boy bands is selling the fantasy that they could one day date you but youtubers and other online personalities are often encouraged not just to sell the idea that they could be your friend but that they are your friend not all youtubers do this certainly and you don't have to do this to be successful but a lot of the most successful youtubers do try to build up a feeling of personal connection with their audiences think about how many youtubers talk about subscribing to them or clicking the bell to get notifications every time they upload as joining the family or ones who start their videos with hey friends or hey sisters or youtubers who casually talk to the camera about their days or interesting stories using the same effect you'd use to talk to a close friend and oftentimes when youtubers don't do this they're criticized for seeming too cold and distant or too inauthentic for example popular beauty youtuber zoella has often been criticized by people for steaming and authentic or for seeming as though she doesn't personally care about her subscribers in particular a lot of fans were really upset after her releasing a book and not disclosing that she used a ghostwriter as well as not seeming personable enough and meaning grease I'm not going to comment on whether people are right to criticize this particular youtuber because truthfully I don't watch her videos but regardless it's relevant that youtubers audiences in particular often prioritize them seeming authentic and seeming like they care for all their subscribers on a really deep personal level on one hand some of this is a sense of being owed that friendship there's this idea that it's really shitty for you to seem distant to your fans because you would be nothing without them which to be fair isn't wrong but also isn't unique to youtubers the same could be said for musicians or movie stars or celebrity chefs anyone with any kind of platform as only as famous as their fans allow them to be yet you tumors and other online personalities in particular are really heavily expected to be friends with the people who watch them on the whole there's definitely a real incentive for youtubers to be incredibly friendly to their viewers in a way that's not expected of popular personalities who don't come from the online realm and there are quite a few consequences from this demand for authenticity that can be actively harmful one of them is that generally speaking you aren't going to talk to a stranger in the same way that you talk to your friend for example sometimes my friends and I roast each other a bit sometimes my friends and I will joke about each other having bad taste or playfully call each other dummies and I think this is common in a lot of friendships to be fair I think even in friendships this can go too far sometimes sometimes people are too comfortable roasting their friend and end up saying hurtful things our prodding on their insecurities by accident as a result I think as a whole people should be more mindful that their friendships still involve being kind and supporting one another and not just being dicks to each other for fun that being said playful roasting is still a lot more okay when you're friends with someone than when you're talking to a complete stranger and well when you think you're closer to someone than you actually are because you've spent hours watching their stuff and it feels like they're talking to you specifically it's easy to misjudge how far that closeness actually goes I've experienced this firsthand with people in my comments both on YouTube and did my Twitter replies I can tell they're genuinely trying to start a series of interactions here but they're approaching me like you'd approach a close friend who's cool with you guys roasting each other and I think not realizing that it comes off as painfully rude this sort of playful over familiarity can take a lot of forms one of them is jokingly using degrading terms that friends might playfully call each other without realizing that in the absence of that context it simply comes off as rude for example I've had people call me a online because they don't like the way I call the tea mug is it possible that this person is just really defensive over tea and as being an on purpose yeah maybe and sometimes I think some of these people are simply trying to use negging a made-up pickup artist tactic that dictates if you're mean to someone at first they'll be more eager to impress you in the future just a note this does not actually work and if you do this to a woman the likelihood that the only recognition you're going to get is her screenshot in your message to laugh at with her friends is through the roof I think some of those people are trying to nag me which I find more funny than anything else because of how out of touch those people are but I can't help but feel it's the case at least in some of these interactions that the people talking to me are genuinely trying to become my friend and of course divorced from this online parasocial idea of friendship this is a completely insane thing to do if you want to make friends with some of you meet at the library you probably are not going to get off on the right foot by immediately telling them their choice of book it's terrible and they should feel ashamed of themselves that person is a strange and most folks feel enough shame interacting with strangers to avoid randomly insulting people in public as a friendship tactic but the thing is with these online interactions internet personalities often don't feel like strangers anymore if you've watched 40 hours of my content it's very possible that I'm not really gonna feel like a stranger to you anymore and given that I don't feel like a stranger to you and most offline interactions are roughly mutual regarding levels of contact it's very easy to subconsciously think that you won't feel like a stranger to me either so someone might send off wow you that's not how you hold a mug thinking that's a joke with a close friend and I sit you're reading it thinking they sound like a huge it's easy to blame people for just having terrible social skills when these kinds of interactions and sure it definitely takes some level of social ineptitude not to realize those kinds of messages are inappropriate but also it doesn't come completely out of nowhere the feeling that emerges from devoting a lot of time and energy to one particular creator can definitely feel like you have some degree of special relationship with them more so than a lot of interactions in the offline sphere this confused mesh of over familiarity and rudeness can definitely lead to a lot of uncomfortable and strained interactions particularly when these boundaries aren't clearly communicated I think given that whether we like them or not relationships of this nature are going to happen more clear communication of boundaries is necessary to if not prevent at least curb stuff like this but as irritating as playful over-familiar rudeness is it's not the only way these interactions with online personalities can take place and another significant issue is a degree of entitlement over creator's personal lives there's this youtuber who I've watched quite a bit of named Brian David Gilbert who sometimes makes absurdist numerously edited music videos and these days talks about video games a lot on the channel polygon about a year ago Brian decided to grow a mustache now to most people someone growing facial hair is not a big deal and there's not a very big cast of characters in your life who would care very much maybe your partner might not like it and a friend might slightly complain but for the most part what you choose to do with your own facial hair should be widely considered your own business not so with Brian David Gilbert as it turns out quite a few fans of his content were very very unhappy with this people were saying the mustache this awful that he looked bad with it that it didn't fit how he was supposed to look and some people were even saying that he should shave it off to be fair some of that was just people joking but for some fans there was a genuine feeling of upset that Brian grew this mustache whether or not people intended it as a joke you still had people messaging him on Twitter pretty much every day asking him to shave his mustache off to be fair this isn't something entirely unique to online personalities anyone with any degree of celebrity is going to have people publicly commenting on their appearance and being angry when they change anything about themselves and the scale to which this happens is certainly going to be a lot bigger and worse for people like Hollywood a-listers this is on a much larger scale when you have things like for example people ripping apart Britney Spears in 2007 for shaving her head or people acting disappointed that Gerard Way is that a higher weight than when he was in his 20s and 30s but something I think is worse with online personalities is that their perceived degree of connection to fans tends to be a lot closer a famous pop star generally doesn't seem as obligated to reply to every fan tweet made about their appearance and many of them don't even run their own social media being a non internet celebrity is based on a lot of things and perceived connection to their fans is generally not one of the biggest ones in most cases you have massive pop stars like Christina Aguilera never talked to fans don't take pictures with fans and are still extremely successful as an online personality you can't really do that to the same degree because your ability to navigate the online sphere is a critical factor to your success for online creators it's very difficult to not run your own social media and to not communicate with people to some degree which means if people are commenting on how you look and urging you to change something about yourself it's difficult to avoid that which means a lot of those comments asking you to change how you look are more likely to reach you in a really direct way this even happened to me once when I was making my first ever YouTube channel I didn't have a ton of subscribers because the viewer base for someone whose channel was 13 year-old atheist who wants the entire Internet to know she's a 13 year old atheist is not particularly great which thank God honestly but I remember I had about a thousand subscribers at the time and after making six or seven videos for the channel I got a haircut from about here to here and I got bangs and I so distinctly remember after putting out my first video after the haircut I got like this five-paragraph p.m. from this man very helpfully telling me I shouldn't cut my hair because it was going to be bad for my brand recognition and I was just sitting there like sir what do you want me to do with this information I'm not now going to uncut my hair the thing is unless you're literally stringing your life completely unedited 24/7 viewers are by nature only going to see a small part of your life and they're never going to fully see your whole self which means especially in the absence of two-way interaction viewers don't know the full view they know what carefully curated version of you that's not necessarily a bad thing I don't need to know the intimate details of my favorite youtubers therapy sessions to enjoy the videos they make or to feel like their content is meaningful to me but it does also mean that in some cases fan get this very specific attachment not to the youtubers themselves but to the idea of those youtubers fans get to know for example Bryan David Gilbert not as a full person but as a brand or an archetype again not inherently a bad thing but when that brand is then threatened by something like a change of appearance a lot of fans get this feeling of almost betrayal at thinking they're losing something that's important to them some of it may just be aesthetic tastes they don't like how the mustache looks and feel entitled to tell the creator they should change it but I think it's also that a recognizable archetype that's been meaningful to them in the past is changing in some way it to me feels almost like a fear of losing something that's important to them a month or two after Bryan David Gilbert got the mustache he made a video about Dark Souls and at the beginning he included this little bit these are both fake I know how much it would disappoint my friends if I changed my appearance I'm just kidding again I'm not your friend and you have no say over what I do with my body a lot of fans were happy about this and saw it as an example of healthy boundary setting but you also had people who seem to have their feelings genuinely hurt by the fact that this guy had told them that he wasn't their friend and that's so interesting to me that that can genuinely be surprising and hurtful revelation to some people that you can feel so connected to a person that even a reminder that you're not friends can be a hurtful and upsetting thing to hear I think this comes from a lot of things I think it in part absolutely comes from these pair of social relationships that you feel close to someone to the extent that you feel a sense of betrayal when they change something about themselves and tell you they're not your friend I mean I wouldn't really have my feelings hurt if a cashier at Starbucks 70 weren't friends it would be a weird thing to say apropos of nothing but it wouldn't be hurtful to me but if someone I considered a friend said that to me I would probably feel pretty bad it feels to me like it's violating that sense of closeness at the same time I think there are some other sources too one of them is this sort of feeling of entitlement to closeness with certain creators I touched on this a little bit earlier but I think a lot of online creators often hear sentiments like you owe your fans this or you owe your fans that because you would be nothing without your it isn't untrue that any creators success is only dependent on the people who consume that creator's content and give them a platform and I certainly don't think creators should be dicks to their fans I think constantly deriding people who watch your videos are calling you stupid is just generally a pretty rude thing to do and it's certainly not something I'd support and of course there are definitely instances of creators breaking promises to their fans and I definitely don't support that either I think there are certainly instances where you do owe your fans something particularly in instances where you promise things to your fans for example if you promise your fan they can get free tickets to a convention in your name and the whole thing turns out to be a poorly managed mess you definitely hold some culpability for deceiving people or if you use your platform to promote things that are irresponsible or harmful to your fans like selling them fake diet product that's the way you can be harmful to them so when I talk about fans in some instances being entitled please don't think I think creators never owe their viewers anything but leveraging this relationship of I subscribe to you and you should therefore be grateful to me and not reinforce any personal boundaries as to my private life to ask creators to divulge a lot of personal information about themselves or be accessible at any minute or not to prioritize their own life and choices at any time is certainly a product of harmful entitlement the stuff only happens to a lot of actors in the Broadway role to become popular online for example so for example there's this youtuber Carrie hope Fletcher who became popular online for her song covers and blogs and who later became a popular musical theater actor as a result of her online platform she starred in Heather as lay myth and then the Addams family and that's owed largely to the popularity she found online but this past October she put out a video called enough Sanath where she talked about how she feels she's been pressured to overshare a lot about her life when the past thanks to her online platform and how she often felt scared to put up greater boundaries for fear of disappointing her audience in this video Carrie talked about all the harmful impacts that that's had on her life among these harmful impacts have been feeling pressured to respond to every single piece of mail she got being stalked by fan and being scared to make any major change in her life in case her audience was unhappy with it she concluded the video by emphasizing that while she still cared about her audience they were ultimately strangers and she needed to put up greater boundaries in her life for example she told her audience that she's going to be moving to a new place soon and wouldn't be sharing a tour of the new house or showing people pictures of her new tattoos luckily most of the comments were really supportive of this and I think this is ultimately a really positive example of a creator setting up boundaries even though it's sad that things had to get so far before that happened I think ultimately it's a good idea to make that boundary really clear both on the creator side and on the audience side I think it's fine to care about one another and there are a lot of really great examples of really healthy creator consumer relationships I certainly don't think caring about youtubers is an inherently bad thing if I thought that this certainly would not be how I choose to spend my time but making it clear what exactly that relationship is and what the boundaries of that relationship are is really important for the sake of everyone involved so for example it makes me happy when I listen to The Adventure Zone podcast and whoever is DMing at the time calls themselves my best friend and it makes me happy when I watch youtubers I like and they call being a subscriber being part of the family but those people aren't actually my best friends and I'm not actually in any kind of family with them and I think it's incredibly important to remember that for both their sake and my own I think this is particularly important when there are less than savory creators who will take advantage of perceived close bond between creators and an audience to harm fans there are sadly dozens of examples of popular streamers and youtubers using their position and supposed closeness to their viewers to be even really inappropriate and pressuring ways towards fans and I think things like that are more likely to happen when you heavily push for this idea that you have an inherent close bond with every person who consumes your content again I certainly don't think every youtuber who calls themselves your friend is trying to do this but I think creating the expectation that curry and consumers must see each other as close friends or family can set the stage for bad actors to take advantage of those expectations there are situations where those expectations harm creators and there are situations where those expectations harm fans as someone who is both a creator and a fan of a lot of creators I feel an obligation to be careful about my relationships either way as a creator though I feel like this sometimes puts me in kind of a tough position on one hand even as I've started to get more subscribers I've always wanted to have a small community fuel with the people who watch my stuff I've always liked seeming accessible to people which is why I have things like a discord server where you can chat with me as a reward on my patreon and why I like to do polls on my Twitter so I can hear new and interesting perspectives on things not to mention if I hadn't been in close contact with the people who watched my stuff I wouldn't have met my current partner who just absolutely means the world to me I've had a lot of positive experiences through being friendly to people and I don't want to completely shut myself off to the people who watch my stuff not to mention from a practical standpoint it's so easy to seem like a cold sociopath who doesn't care about your audience especially if you're a woman I don't want people who watch my content to feel like I don't appreciate that they've chosen to stick around because I genuinely do I know some creators who have chosen to do that especially creators with a much larger platform than I have and I totally understand that especially when it gets to a point that you have hundreds of emails and thousands of tweets directed towards you coming in every day and there's no way you can realistically respond to them all like I remember I used to read every single comment I ever got on my videos I can't do that anymore both because there's so many of them and because a lot of them are really rude and non constructive ways I don't really need to know that some random person from Wisconsin doesn't like how I part my hair but for me I think it would be ashamed to shout out all the positive interactions I've had with people as a creator and say that's it I'm completely done engaging with people but on the other hand and this bizarre world of parasocial actions it's just increasingly hard to be friendly and accessible to everyone all the time I remember when I had like 10,000 subscribers if someone who followed me had started making YouTube videos for the first time and wanted feedback I was always really excited to watch their stuff and give them specific feedback and detailed advice for what I liked and what I didn't I can't do that now just based on the fact that if I did I would barely be doing anything else but then you have this situation we're not doing that is perceived as particularly rude especially if you were willing to give other people feedback in the past it's a lot harder to say sorry I can't watch this and give you detailed feedback when you've agreed to do that for other people in the past it just comes off as rude or uncaring even though it's often just a matter of time management and practicality and it's also harder to give people shout outs now because I have a much larger platform than I used to and I have to be a lot more responsible with it if I don't watch the full video someone sends me and I recommend it to others and there's a part I missed with some terrible ideas in it I would then have played a role in amplifying those ideas which I'm not comfortable with doing which means if I'm gonna give someone a shout-out I have to watch their stuff and follow me really careful or else I might play a role in contributing to something harmful so I probably can't give a shout out to someone who messages me with a one hour video and asks for one if I don't know them well of course I still want to support channels that are smaller than mine I wouldn't be anywhere now without the support of channels much much bigger than me but these days it mostly has to be content I've discovered myself because there's no way I could ever have enough time in my day to watch all the stuff people send me and again I'm not trying to sound like some kind of celebrity here I don't have that many subscribers in the grand scheme of things and I can only imagine how much harder it is for people with more than me not to mention obligatory as a woman here if I make myself too accessible to people I get a lot of creepy comments from people thinking I'm going to be there a girl waifu and i think it's in a lot of our nature to be polite to those people so is not to seem rude not to mention there are some people who do not take rejection well and will get very angry at you if you don't give them the time of day so I feel compelled maintain a certain closeness with the people who watch my content both because I've genuinely had a lot of really positive experiences I don't want to give up and because there's a sort of fear or pressure not to disappoint people when I watched that video with Carrie hope Fletcher even though she has a much larger platform than I do I really related to a lot of what she was saying so there's this tough question of what specific boundaries one should put up and how to balance connecting with your audience while making sure you're doing the right thing both for your mental health and your viewers mental health to be honest it's definitely a balance I've struggled with myself and I don't think there's one universal solution that fits every creator viewer relationship it depends on so many things like how big of a platform you have what the nature of your content is like what kind of fan base you have in all kinds of other really specific factors and I'm certainly not going to sit here with my hundred and fifty K subscribers and tell some youtuber with 14 million followers how they should be managing their relationship with their fans like I assume they know a lot better than I do how to handle that stuff but there are a few things that at least in my opinion are really important to emphasize so how can we start to do better creator fan relationships can be really fun and really rewarding and can bring a lot of joy and meaning to people at the same time though they can also be really messy because of how the online sphere conceptualizes friendship and some really confusing ways and because of some unmanaged expectations once again the way to deal with this is gonna vary based on the specifics of everyone's situation but I think there are a few things that are just better for everyone across the board I think acknowledging that you can care about your subscribers while at the same time understanding that they're ultimately strangers is really important me saying we're not friends to someone I've never met doesn't mean I hate them or that I don't appreciate their role in helping me it just means we don't have a close and intimate personal relationship and that the interactions we have are necessarily going to be different because of that and as an audience member I think we should also be critical of seeing your relationship to creators as a friendship for one thing it's really easy to tie your identity to the things you consume which can make it harder to criticize creators who do bad things if you see them as friends acknowledging that while their content and journey can still be meaningful to us we don't really know these people can help us prevent problems like idolizing creators and not being able to see their faults and on the flipside it's also a lot healthier when it comes to managing expectations it's not healthy to be horribly let down or betrayed when a creator chooses to make a personal life choice that you don't love seeing a creator as a perfect angel or your best friend is invariably going to set you up for a lot of disappointment when you're let down by them in some way and that's not good for the Creator or the fan I also think whatever those boundaries are it's a good idea to have them clearly stated I mean some things are obviously common sense like please don't come to my house and try to climb my fence but generally speaking I think putting those boundaries clearly on the table can kind of help preemptively manage those expectations both on the creator side and on the fan side as a creator this is definitely something I need to do better I know I've definitely been socialized to be really polite all the time and not say no to people when they make requests politely cuz you know that's rude so more clearly saying if you send me a video and ask for a shout-out or feedback I probably can't reply to that is something I could be doing a lot better at I also think it's just a matter of realizing that asserting boundaries isn't something that's inherently rude or inherently means you hate your audience there's definitely rude ways to do it which I don't condone but just saying no is I think necessary and better for everyone whatever those boundaries are I think when viewers know those boundaries they're a lot more likely to be understanding and not try to cross them at least the respectful ones are there are always gonna be but I also try to be not basing my entire channel off of catering to complete an important principle as well speaking of total there's someone very loudly honking outside my apartment and on the fan side I think having clear boundaries for yourself is a good idea too for example oftentimes after a Broadway show fans can go to the stage door and get autographs and say hi to the actors there are some actors I know I will never staged or horde because I know I would totally embarrass myself around them which would just be awkward for both of us on the whole I think in this age where relationships between creators and fans are still being articulated and aren't always the clearest being really specific and communicative about what exactly the nature of that relationship is and where it starts and ends it's just incredibly important there are definitely some basic principles of respect that probably don't need to be said and there are going to be people who will take it upon themselves to be no matter how well and how clearly those boundaries articulated but broadly speaking being as clear as possible about consumer creator relationships is more important than ever and there's no shame in taking meaning in someone's content without personally being their best friend not being sad this ice cream is definitely my best friend right now so I love debate and I've been doing it competitively throughout all of University and before and I think there's a lot of value with learning to do it even though it's not a great way to determine correctness I think learning how to recognize tricks and other people's arguments and learning how to assert 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Channel: Sarah Z

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Keywords: sarah z, video essay, video essayist, video essays, commentary, youtube, review, reviewer, callout culture, cancel culture, fan entitlement, parasocial relationships, parasocial, fan, fans, fandom, fandoms, youtube critic, youtube drama, breadtube, twitter, carrie hope fletcher, broadway, carrie fletcher, brian david gilbert, bdg, bdg mustache, polygon, bdg polygon, mcelroys, griffin mcelroy, travis mcelroy, justin mcelroy, the adventure zone, taz

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Length: 33min 3sec (1983 seconds)

Published: Fri Jan 31 2020

Reddit Comments

[u/thotslime]

Someone donate a mic and stand to her please. Or a lavalier one.

[u/Aerik]

ITT: there was a really bad faith comment on the video that read like this:

Game: name a breadtuber who hasn't whined about cancel culture for a whole 30 minutes at least.

Clearly showing that the commenter did not watch the video. They were called out, but apparently they had a partner in crime, a fellow tankie who seems to comment in the same conversations as their friend a lot:

It's not about cancel culture, but it's just as uselessly meta and self-fellating as almost every other Breadtuber.

Looks like from now own, every time a breadtuber discusses parasocial relationships will see the comment section invaded by bad-faith commenters who, for reasons unclear, see video essayists as some kind of scabs.

And they don't seem to see the irony: when we have posts that criticize ourselves negatively for the way we engage in parasocial relationships with youtubers, some people will stop watching youtubers so much, which is what these trolls obstensibly wanted in the first place.