Hitting the Sun is HARD

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If you've played kerbal you know just how hard it is to reach the sun

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 200 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/Iceyball πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Jul 19 2016 πŸ—«︎ replies

I'm going to ask the obvious here. Why do we even have to hit the sun at all? Why not just fire it off at a trajectory that would simply lead it into deep space and out of the system?

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 78 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/[deleted] πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Jul 19 2016 πŸ—«︎ replies

I would just crash it into Venus. That planet is fucked already.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 58 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/FartyPoopy πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Jul 19 2016 πŸ—«︎ replies

If they launch the rocket at night, they will have a better chance because the gravity and sunlight won't affect the orbit as much. And, if they would do their calculations in american math instead of that crazy killometer stuff, they would see that you only need 16 miles per hour instead of 30 k/ps.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 144 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/popesnutsack πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Jul 19 2016 πŸ—«︎ replies

But this doesn't answer the question, "Can we crash into the sun?" Sure, it's hard, but can we?

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 5 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/blooblop πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Jul 19 2016 πŸ—«︎ replies

surely you wouldn't need to totally decelerate the planet... you could just make the orbit overlap the sun so you'd crash in at an angle.

You don't need to fall at a right angle to the centre.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 29 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/jeffgoldblumftw πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Jul 19 2016 πŸ—«︎ replies

Orbital mechanics aside, we may want that waste some day. Tossing irretrievably into the sun may be a bad idea. What we need to do is put it somewhere where we could access it if needs be but where it will be safely stored until it is no longer deadly to be around. I thinks 50 - 100K years IIRC.

Pack it up and bury it in the subduction zones between the continental plates. It will be forced into the crust and taken away from the surface where it could cause harm

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 3 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/EricT59 πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Jul 19 2016 πŸ—«︎ replies

I need a physicist....

ELI5 a bit please?

  • How does gravity assist work? I would think the net accel/decel would be 0.. it seems you would speed up as you neared orbit, then slow down as you left orbit again.
  • Why not just slow it a little bit? Wouldn't gravity then overcome centripetal force, and the rocket hit the sun after several orbits?
  • If we fired it in the direction of the sun using earth as a reference point, wouldn't it eventually sort of "spiral" into the sun with the same revolutions as earth? I don't know- in my head, it seems to make more sense if you picture the earth being tidally aligned with the Sun, rather than rotating on our own (like the moon to earth), but if you were to lob something off the moon directly towards earth (which doesn't move in the moon's sky), what's going to break that path? And don't say the sun's gravity, because while i know that may be true (??), I'm using this as a metaphor as earth to sun, which has virtually no other gravitational interference.
πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 3 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/BrewCrewKevin πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Jul 19 2016 πŸ—«︎ replies

Ok, I still don't get it.

If I pointed my rocket towards the sun I understand that I would be still following the Earth's orbit going sideways but wouldn't my forward velocity still propel me closer to the sun until I was eventually dragged in?

I'm picturing a leaf circling a drain.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 3 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/Hiredgun77 πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Jul 19 2016 πŸ—«︎ replies
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Nuclear waste. We’ve got a lot of it, it'll stay dangerous for tens of thousands of years, and we don't really know what to do with it. So why don't we just send it into space and crash it into the sun? Well, first, it's really dangerous to put nuclear waste on a rocket, since rockets have a tendency to occasionally explode while launching, making any nuclear-waste-filled exploding rocket into a really big dirty bomb. But the bigger reason is that it's actually really really hard to *get* to the sun. It might seem like it should be easy, since the sun's gravity is always pulling us towards it. But we're also orbiting really fast sideways around the sun, so that as we fall towards it, we miss it. In order to crash _into_ the sun, you have to slow down so that you're _not_ going sideways really fast. The earth - and everything on it - is moving around the sun at around 30 kilometers per second, so you'd have to accelerate to a speed of 30kilometers per second backwards away from the earth in order to stop moving around the sun and do a sun dive. And you have to slow down all the way – with even a little bit of sideways speed, you'll miss the sun and whip around, not crashing. Ok, so a speed of 30 kilometers per second is really fast, but just how fast? Well, from earths’s orbit, you only need to be going _11_ kilometers per second faster than the earth in order to escape from the entire solar system. Which means that it's much, much harder to crash into the sun than to escape it altogether. Let me say that again: it takes less acceleration to get to _other_ stars than it does to get to our own sun. Crazy. But it gets weirder: because the gravity from an object is stronger the closer you are to it, the smaller your orbit is, the faster your orbital speed. For example, Mercury goes around the sun at a speed one and a half times faster than earth, while Pluto goes only a sixth as fast. And that means it's actually way harder to crash into the sun from Mercury than from the earth, even though you're closer, because you'd have to accelerate to a speed of 48 kilometers per second backwards instead of 30. And it's way _easier_ to crash into the sun from Pluto, since you only have to accelerate to a speed of five kilometers per second backwards. In fact, if you're trying to crash into the sun just using rockets, it's far more efficient to first go to the outer solar system where your speed is much lower, then do a second burn to counteract that slow orbital speed and allow you to fall directly into the sun. And that's precisely why early mission trajectories for NASA's spacecraft to study the sun proposed going out to Jupiter first – to make it easier to slow down and get to the sun. Ultimately they decided instead to use repeated flyby's of Venus to slow down the probe and save on rocket fuel getting to the sun. But how gravity assists work is a topic for another day. Speaking of which – how long would a day be on the sun?
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Length: 3min 12sec (192 seconds)
Published: Tue Jul 19 2016
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