Hillary Clinton on the Howard Stern Show Pt. 2

I was thinking about this I don't know what your father was like I've only read one word that he was gruff and then to me that doesn't sound very good but I would imagine having being once you get to your level right now once you have Secret Service all the time and once you have these guys kind of taking care of you they're almost like the father's that weren't good to you they worry about your every move they worry about your safety they constantly drive you you almost become infantilized in it got a fight against it I mean I again I think that's pretty perceptive that your therapy really it's paying on inside you ever done it have you ever done you've never tried it I've never tried it no I can't imagine after the election you didn't say I need someone to talk to what I did I talked to well no I we did that we I've done counseling yes so it wasn't intensive therapy but I've done counseling yeah you've gone to somewhere where you feel safe enough yeah so wasn't a psychotherapist no but it was an MD no psychologist psychologist psychologist yeah I would think you would go to an MD hmm no because this was this was in the late 90s when there was lots going on in my life did you remember yeah and so yeah so we did have somebody come in and it was more marriage counseling oh but you never did individual therapy no so so who do you talk to after the election I've read a really sweet moment after this horror of the night you and your husband laid down at night you're laying on your back he's laying on his back and he takes your hand and holds your hand right yeah that's it they're gonna make me cry it's the most we-well gesture what else can you do yeah he's been a terrific you know it support not I also have great friends I have wonderful friends I lost two friends and my brother this year then it's the holidays are hard this year because I miss all three of them so much and they died in May June and July so it was like wait who died your brother died I know my brother died young in June he's my one of my two younger brothers yeah my youngest a really really close friend of mine died in May what was that a name woman named Ellen Tauscher she was a congresswoman from California she was also the undersecretary for arms control in the State Department when I was there a Secretary of State negotiated the new start agreement with the Russians just an amazing woman and then my you would call her and she would talk come visit me she came and visited me a lot and then my best friend from sixth grade who had been fighting breast cancer for ten years but never let it interfere with her incredible love and compassion for all of her friends plus obviously her wonderful family finally she ran out of things to help her stay alive and she died at the end of July so you know I I have had this age a bit oh my god like you're watching people do you think about death not I don't think about it I think I mean I think about it because as you just said I'm losing people that I care a lot about because many others have died too but those three were particularly hard are you deeply religious I am yeah I hope well I have a I have a deep faith yeah Methodist that's important to you it is important to me you believe there's a god and that we're gonna go somewhere somewhere yeah I do I believe that and I believe that it won't happen in my lifetime yours and what happened for a long time I think that the we're learning more and more about what holds the universe together I mean Dark Matter makes up most of the universe we really don't quite know what it is but its energy and if you believe in see I think I think religious beliefs and science are compatible unlike those who reject one or the other and so I think that energy doesn't die energy keeps going well that's comforting you know I got a feeling I'm gonna just be in the ground but who knows but this day will be probably this this this gesture by your husband to just sit and hold your hand it's an important moment right because there's nothing to say after you you have to you work your ass off your whole life to get to this presidency and and and was that the dream when you were a little girl would that you would someday be the President of the United States was it to be a lawyer no when did that come around when I was in college and the father asked you this because what does it mean when you say your father is gruff my father was a I guess typical man of his time you know he was lived through the depression he was a chief petty officer in the Navy during World War two he wasn't the most emotionally literate person right but he had a good heart he he was a hard-working man but he didn't really understand different ways of communicating so when I say he was gruff he yelled a lot right right he yelled a lot and he would get upset about things and he would knock my brothers around not me but my brothers mm-hmm and he was you know just really old-fashioned and we lived in a neighborhood why are you afraid of him no I was never afraid of him no but I mean I did you ever go to him and say I'm having a hard day no no way no I mean that was you know again he was so much like all the other men in the neighborhood that I grew up in and the friends fathers that I knew they all had that kind of depression world war ii mentality and they all wanted to work hard they all wanted to be good providers that's how they define their lives no they loved sports that's how I understood how men were as a boy growing up we know right yeah I I'm supposed to grow up a kid and make sure I make money from that's it that's it and then I'm done but you can also throw the ball around you know I mean my father you know we would do you know football pass routines we would go to the park he I loved softball he would you know pitch and and and coach me I mean he he was just a man of his time and your mother is more complex Oh My Mind's me of my mother in the sense that your mother had a horrible childhood she did her pain her parents what they gave her a way or something well she was born to two teenagers to start with right um and they were really immature irresponsible so they had this little girl but they never really knew what to do with her or how to take care of her I one story she told me that I just can't ever forget she was like three years old and her father was off working somewhere and her mother was going to go out and so her mother gave her a meal coupon they're living in a tenement in Chicago and told her that when she got hungry she should go down the stairs out the door down to the corner to the little restaurant and give them the meal ticket and get fed so you know she would go to school and she never had any food and in those days they didn't have like a big cafeteria you brought what you're gonna eat from school to school and so my mother was neglected she was basically abandoned she had a little sister a few years younger who was also treated that way so when my mother was about eight her parents decided they just didn't want to take care of her anymore at all or the little sister so they put her on a train in Chicago by herself in charge of her little sister who was like mine I've I can't and sent her and her little sister to live with their paternal grandparents and the paternal grandparents didn't want them either but took them in because their son basically said here we don't want him you take him so my mother lived there for about four or five years it was miserable and then she left that house and she took a job as a housekeeper and a babysitter she was 13 years old Howard and so she you know I didn't know any of this when I was a little girl but how does that affect your relationship with your mother it was sense that when you have a woman great who has gotten nothing right how does she have anything to give you you know I'll tell you what was so remarkable about my mother because I've read about your mom and my mom was also depressed right she would you know we didn't know what that was but you know she would be really sad some days she didn't want to get out of bed she was just so sad and she I don't think a an a day went by I know a day didn't go by maybe an hour didn't go by where she wasn't wondering why she hadn't been loved why her parents didn't love her why they sent her away why her grandparents were so cruel to her yes but I said to her one time I said I didn't once I learned about this I said you know how did you do it I mean how did you survive and how did you turn out to be resilient and wanting to be a mom and wanting to do the best you could for your kids here's what she said she said at critical moments somebody was kind to me hmm and so you know like that when she didn't have any food in first grade and finally the teacher would bring extra food without humiliating her and she'd say oh you know Dorothy I I just brought too much food today would you like my extra sandwich or and and that teacher did that for the whole year but what can you get from a mother like that I would imagine you growing up and you were a bright student you did well in everything when I'm talking about your emotional needs I can't imagine you a mother taking care of any of your emotional needs or being able did she ever say to you what are you complaining about Hilary I didn't have anything you've got two parents you've got a home stop your nonsense she never said that really she never said that what she would say instead is short of that she would say you know we really want you to have the best life and the best education and then you can make whatever decisions you want but why she was jealous of you no I don't think she was jealous I think how could she not be because I think and you know she was a remarkable person because with all of this turmoil she never lost her desire to learn things so she never got to go to college this is the final insult so she graduates from high school because when she took that job in the other woman's home she didn't think she get to go to high school right and so the woman said to her this is another one of those acts of kindness would you like to go to high school and my mother said really would and and the house she was then living in and taken care of was one town over and she said but I want to go to the high school where all my friends were the people that she'd gone to school with up until then so the woman said well if you get up early and get your chores done you can go to high school but you'll have to come right back after school now that sounds harsh if you're a 13 year old to my mother it was a gift right so she'd get up at the crack of dawn she'd get the kids ready whatever she had to do and then she would run to high school and then she would run back afterwards she had she had you know talk about clothes she had two glasses but she was like a slave I mean she was like a she didn't feel that she's you didn't this I'll tell you what she said to me it was the first house she'd ever been in where the husband and the wife loved each other treated each other right loved the children cared about them set standards for them my mother said I learned how to be a wife and a mother from living in that house for years yeah so she gets out of high school and you know California had this great higher education system and she could have gone for practically nothing her mother her biological mother contacts her and says oh I've heard you graduated from high school I'm remarried would you like to come Chicago and my new husband and I will send you to college so for my mother it was like oh wow maybe my mother does care about me so she leaves California she goes to Chicago and they wouldn't send her to college they wanted her to keep house for them oh man I mean you can't I mean it gets worse it gets worse so but my mother you know it it emotionally it was devastating to her but she was smart enough she was really smart she was smart enough she and she read psychology like it was going out of style every book she could read about how children were formed what development meant she read so she had an intellectual not saying in effect I'm not saying that it did was intellectual understanding of raising children yes and and and worked at it and and was a terrifically supportive loving mother were you always brilliant in school because I mean to go to Yale and to go to would you do your undergrad well yeah I mean to get into those schools look I worked hard you know I mean I'm really hard worker yeah I'm a really hard worker no you are yeah I am that's why I wanted you to be president I would have been actually working hurt right now oh I know you would have been but so I I was a hard worker and I was smart enough you were captain of the whole Patrol so you know I was captain of all patrols it was the most horrible thing that ever happened to me unlike you you got elected right yeah I think I did I was appointed and it was a nightmare I got beaten up by everybody because of that did you wear the belt the way it went around your waist and then and then you'd stand at the corner everybody's in a very rough neighborhood and I and the kid to go your captain the hall because and then it would beat me up to prove there that they could beat up the police I just want to get that badge and throw it down the river was just a nightmare but when you when you get into a Wellesley I mean you gotta you've got up high academics and you have to have high SATs right did you have your IQ tested not that I know of I don't know how to tell you this so when I got to Wellesley and really I went to Wellesley because I had a teacher at gone to Wellesley and she kind of persuaded me I didn't know what I was going to do and you know I my mother never went to college my father went to Penn State on a football scholarship so what did you know Oh No kidding oh yeah Oh football for the Nittany Lions between 1931 and 1935 this must've been a tough guy I'm telling you he was a military guy football guy he played football and he boxed Oh real oh yeah you ever seen beat someone up no I never did see your brothers they were you know causing put your mother step in when he was sure he would just get so mad at them because my brothers were very mischievous but he never hit your mother no never you sure yeah positive 100% positive yeah I'll go back and check so when you go to Wellesley that's we get the idea to be a lawyer well when I got there I thought I was really out of place because it seemed to me like everybody else was smarter and so is it all girls all girls and the reason I went to a huge high school a huge co-ed high school right yeah enormous like 4505 springs yes you know in high school boyfriend's yes yes serious boyfriend no no one you ever said I'm in love no you had not been in love yet no bill was the first guy you loved no no there no no there was many before him somebody before bill that you would have considered marrying no I would not have considered me but in love but in love but I loved him yeah and we never hear about this guy always just I probably pissed he didn't a lot of different people and I liked a lot of them you were popular I was pretty popular right yeah I was okay pop right right yeah yeah boys were not your problem boys were not my problem but I never I had not until I met bill met anybody that I thought I would ever marry you would not the cheerleader type oh now you were the studious akha I was the student and student government you know that kind of stuff yeah no kidding yeah so you must have somewhere in the back of your mind figured hey you know I like I'll tell you another story so I read the type that would promise people free lunches and and a more study hall or you know great homecoming parties I mean that kind of thing and so that I remember I did run I had I think yeah I did run for president of my high school government as I remember did you win no of course not did some guy who you know and and and it was sort of for a day because a lot of my you know boyfriends they said you know come on we're not gonna liked a girl I mean what are you doing this for I said well because you guys I have some ideas where I want to do okay fine somebody else wins comes to see me he goes you know I would really like if you'd help me oh yeah I said sure oh you were really nice I was nice I wish I'd like you know doing things what can I say listen I was surprised when even when Obama tapped you to be Secretary of State Oh was I had a lie didn't you know why you know why I thought it was difficult because you were fully ready to be the president in the United States right if I was you would I want to be sitting with Obama and in the back of my mind I'm saying I can be doing this I don't I mean not that secretary no but that's a difference between running against somebody who you respect right so he gets elected he asked me to come see him he asked me to be Secretary of State and he basically said look we're in a mess that's right the economy has gone totally down we have problems around the world he said I need your help I can't do both I'm gonna focus on the economy because we're in terrible shape wasn't that great but I need you to go travel around and try to restore our relationships that's an executive and that's why I was honored to serve with him because first of all he is secure right not threatened by you being Secretary of State at all and also you know we did run a really close race we had overlapped in the Senate for a few years but we ran a really close race and it was touch-and-go people forget this I actually got a few more votes and he did yet he got a few more delegates than I did and but here's the thing you were you were ready a senator you had been a first lady and you weren't the first lady who said there matey you would the first lady but I remember Hillary care yes that really were really into getting some kind of protection for children right and of course you were vilified for that but it's crazy to me you had all this experience and then this upstart a new senator but you know there he had enormous talent it serve your husband and and and and and the to abandon the two best orders unbelievable both of them right and and they they just had whatever that magical charisma was it wasn't phony entertainment it was deep positive security integrity I know what I can do for this country give me a chance very adult very dull but that's a rare gift right it is I mean you used to get stuff Oh your voice isn't right you don't know how to speak properly bla bla bla bla bla yeah you know and and so you know did you ever sit there and say to Bill how the hell are you connecting like this like when you watch EV I mean it is quite a remarkable skill it is a truly remarkable skill in varrock habits yes but the campaign seems to rely on that and that's not really i'm looking for a good executive to run the country well i think you know look you got to get both in the same package right obviously i think both of them were really good presidents and had to clean up a lot of messes both of them and and left the country stronger than when they found it which should be the criterion are you friendly with elizabeth warren at all i'm sure yeah you like her yeah sure yeah i realize i think you two have something in common listen to this okay i'm watching something with her on TV right right sitting there with her husband and elizabeth warren you know people don't see her humanity they see her as sort of this just just this i don't know this senator little guys a plan mm-hmm she's talking about how do you know what i'm talking about I did all right she's talking about how she met her husband and she says um you know I uh I went up to him so this nice guy I asked him out I think he was her law professor or something and like it was kind of like really taken with him and then after a few dates she turned to him and said will you marry me now the reason I say I I relate this to you I think I have this right you are at Yale at this point you're sitting there in the library maybe okay great and you see that Bill Clinton a guy you don't know right is staring at you true true story and you go up to him and say listen pal I see you staring at me you're not into playing games you're saying I see you staring at me so why don't you introduce yourself right isn't that the most vulnerable position a woman can put herself on honestly it could be you know it was true because I had seen him around campus right and good-looking man good-looking man it looked like a Viking in those days he had lots of reddish hair with a big reddish beard right and so a reddish beard a reddish beard yeah I wouldn't think you'd be attracted to a guy with that kind of hippie beard because at that point you're kind of a Republican right that was my dad's political affiliation right you got into it for a while I did anything to please that yeah well you know you do a little bit right so this guy's walking around with a red beard yeah and hippies right you're wearing the costume of the day yeah bell-bottoms the holding the whole thing work sure we all thought we were revolutionary yep we're all wearing the same outfit we're like following Chairman Mao because we thought we were being outrageous well we were compared to where we had come from I guess you know I mean it what everybody rebels against the past I guess well I used to wear that to school every day and someone said to me a grown man came up to me and he said you know you all think all you hippies think you're so cool he goes but you're all just followers you all wear the same exact thing true and I went you know you're right you're right I don't want to stick out so when you see Bill you are able to go up to him and say this yeah I said I said if you're gonna keep staring at me and I'm gonna keep staring back we ought at least to know each other's names I'm Hillary Rodham you Wow as I met him were you nervous doing that no mm-hmm oh my god now I would never have the guts to even walk up to a woman so the fact that you could do that but it is a vulnerable position he could have said to you I'm not staring at you get lost yeah he could write he could have been ashamed at night and then I would have known right then he wasn't worth the time and he's brilliant because he's at Yale Law right right right and he's not a Rhodes Scholar yet oh no he was he graduated from Georgetown a year before I graduated from college and then he was a Rhodes Scholar at Oxford and then he came to Yale so I'd been at Yale for a year how do you get to be a Rhodes Scholar I mean that sounds like a very cool thing it's a really cool thing I think you have to be nominated by your college or university and then you have to go through these rigorous interviews I see and so and and then he asked you out on a formal date no then so then we my love a romance yeah okay so so then it turns out he'd never been there but we were actually in the same class Oh why was he going to class because he was working on a political campaign to elect somebody to something in Connecticut you know politics was his first and foremost love you had to be with a go-getter I mean you were a hard worker you well also you know it was like it it was just sort of magical and an electric magnetic did you need to be with a guy who was into politics at that yeah you just needed to be maybe with another lawyer no no I did somebody who I thought was really smart with a good heart I mean that's what I was looking for and also had ambition oh I had to have ambition absolutely by definition if you've gotten to be a law school you've got some kind of ambition to do something right do you get job offers like crazy when you go to Yale Law School is it because I know a guy who who went to Yale Law School he he was a freshman would start getting yeah you drop it a lot yeah yeah there's a lot of recruiting done was your family looking at you as like a meal ticket in any way I think you know my father was a big saver you know my father never had a credit card right we never had a mortgage on our house I mean he paid I don't know 30 thousand dollars for our house in 1950 or something right so he's saved and saved and so I don't think he ever thought that but after he died and my mother did have you know enough money from him saved up uh you know we just naturally all took care of her I'm just wondering when when you get a kid we don't yell Law School you go home well if you need it right you're not kidding but and I would imagine too but maybe you two we're thinking hey when I get out of Yale Law I'm gonna have some kick-ass job but then you marry bill and you go off to Arkansas but that's not how that's not exactly how it unfolded okay let's get back to the room so anyway the last day of this class he shows up in the class and I come for you apparently right and so we're walking out and he said where you're going and I said well I'm going to register for classes for next year because I'll go to so we walk you know those are the old days when you know you actually had to use pencil and paper to register for things right and so I stand in line I get up to the registrar bill and I are talking our first real conversation and the Registrar looks at because bill what are you doing here you registered this morning and so I knew that this was all about you know getting to know me right then we went on about a five-hour date where we took a walk we went all across New Haven we got to the New Haven maybe formally asked um no no we're just like where you going no this was not like a forum this was like okay I finished registering cuz it's hippy days it's hippy days right so we get to the Yale art museum and they have a Mark Rothko exhibit and I said oh I didn't I I missed that I wish I had seen it because the museum was closed because it was on strike right and her part part of the whole university was on strike as I remember so bill said why you really like Rothko I said yeah I really I really like him I've never seen his stuff in person but I've seen you know photographs he goes we'll stay here just a minute so he goes off this guy I've just met he comes back and he has a gentleman with him he introduces me to this gentleman he goes this is you know John the janitor and John the janitor said he'll let us in if we pick up all the trash on the lawn oh my god what an operator pick up the trash yeah and then we get to go in and see the Rothko's and then we end up in the sculpture garden do you know this reminds me of a John Hughes movie yeah I'm not kidding it was like the guy takes the girl on the day and he gets her into the museum because he knows the janitor after the after-hours I swear I don't remember the name of the movie yeah no I know what you're talking about but I mean here we are so this is a guy who is a born people purse he's it totally totally perfect the janitors in know me at college no one knew but I mean bill literally knew everybody who worked at you know I just about he loves people he loves and you know what he says which is so important he says everybody has a story and everybody deserves to have their story told he just some president yeah that's also another reason I felt it was a bonus if you're going to be President I get you and Bill together working as a team I'm like I get two from one yeah yeah why not why not why not

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Published: Fri Dec 06 2019