Greg Koch Invades TPS [With Band Jams, Reverend Guitar & Koch Amp] – That Pedal Show

[Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] strange Blues in the night but during the day Kenny Vegas yes we can't hey guys wrong with that tell aside down here Mick here and Gregory Calgary hehe amazing finally finally give yourself a home bar yes squirtle what can we say it's so good to be with you for I know and finally it's awesome to see you so the last time we saw you properly and we got to sit down and have a chin wag was in Denmark that is correct well we engaged our inner Viking we did couple years ago maybe that was yes indeed I believe it was the lofty days of yesteryear I don't even know I can't even remember Copenhagen get so sure it was it was indeed it was good times we feasted on many things we did and we had good times as we do the great thing about greatcoat is the second he opens his mouth all plays the guitar a large smile beams across the face now can you call my wife no I'm just kidding she also agrees that's why we've been happily married for so many many fruitful years she still finds me somewhat amusing which is always good so I always gotta up my game she's a tough crowd so I go out of the house I'm already in training you know I've already then it was like a Olympic thing and so I'm ready to engage and spirited fun craft that's not a thing by the way fun grabbed okay we are delighted to welcome Greg and band today you'll see that there are non guitar shaped objects in the background so where there will be some jamage at some point in war which we've just found it sounds spectacularly good and we'll haven't yes deed so looking forward to hearing that but so you're on tour yes we are in the UK and this is the first time you've toured with these fine gentlemen indeed and you know what's even more amusing is that there's a chain restaurant here called the tobe carvery which we've we've feasted at and toby is obviously gets special seating and what our favorite thing is the dessert bar is called Toby's final touch something we've used to great effect thrusters and earth bear I'll be on Toby's final touch the caution objects hot ok through the door I could feel these muscles in my dress like I haven't been used for a little while on the subject of which if you're wondering why Dan looks like Dan's uncle it's because he shaved his beard off in the spirit of November so doesn't as much as we need to say about that it's not necessarily a new look but it is a look right it's a it's like yeah it's a sound it's a look yeah and I'm doing the 14 year old self with some hair on the top lip 6 days yes yeah can you remember when you grew your first mustache Greg I don't think I was until it was my 30s I believe is when I finally said you know what it's time it's time to grow something around this mug and it was so I think if a grew a full beard actually and it was it was frightening kind of embrace my inner Sasquatch I've really long hair at the time and so I just thought you know let my freak flag fly with some spirited facial hair the rest was history you should follow Greg on Instagram if you don't already scuzz some of the pictures he posts are truly from time has been vicious time has been the same that's the trees we know what I can't figure out is when you post pictures of one I had long hair ever now I did have a mullet at some point in time like every child of the 80s but then at some point I just grew it all out but now you can't even have long hair and a point oh nice mullets like listen a spaced long hair is long hair you know mullets a mullet but let's not just jump right to mullets village because you were swimming around your dad's yam pouch when we were supporting that proud do you know what I'm saying oh that's a mullet sorry pal long hair what do they say business up front party in the back I remember specifically asking a haircut a haircut stris back then listen I want I want it short up here okay and I want it long and back we didn't know it was called a mullet I just wanted to be like what I thought Ron would look like in faces but you know that was a weird thing all together that was like have your sister cut your hair and see what happens while you're on smack not that I'm judging vitamin H never mind we're going yeah well there was that yeah all right so look we got lots to talk about before we get into some music you you have got a guitar that we haven't talked about amplify that we have and we also want to talk about the crystal King among other things this video will be not out by the time you finished your UK dates unfortunately but anything after that we should talk about us dates coming up oh well yeah as always just go to the the website greg kot calm it is the keeper of secrets okay I always some people go you have any instructional material I go if only there was a device that you could hold in your hands and magically ask queries and it would blather back a variety of different options for you so I always have Duff just go to the website yeah it's all there it's all there the dates the stuff it's so interesting you mentioned instructions so Simon who is our producer behind the camera said that he his first memory of you is via VHS which is good yeah this videotape no but instructional videos that's correct from back in the day yeah from Hal Leonard yeah solutely I need to know so when was that one the first one was done in 2002 maybe I see my first memory of you is this video from we could put a plane first memory yeah yeah yeah there was this video of you playing with Joe Bonamassa Joe huh and just blew my mind and I think I handed you on all the socials about when you come to the UK because really came to see you but yeah that was been following you ever since well it's Jenny an excursion mine would be Nam sure I think because you had a long association with fender I did indeed and yeah booth yes doing various things and we were hanging out at Abbey Road one time remember that it was a Fender Custom Shop event that was so wild being in there we were just hanging out at Abbey Road as you do yeah yeah that would have been 15 ish maybe yeah 1012 somewhere in there it was a while ago so what's your first memory of you well that's a tawdry tale well I'll tell you what the you know I started doing the fender thing in nibbly I was people asked how did you get hooked up with fender hundred a Newton like you from Milwaukee Wisconsin hook up with the biggest cheetara manufacturer I think because I practiced no I don't say that um I'm sorry are we not supposed to swear like we can say that's what I think okay yeah sorry about that yeah I'm just letting my freak flag fly a little bit you know man on the road I've had English breakfast every damn day I got those beans and those bangers and those mushrooms coursing through my system anything could happen are you going to Scotland Wales on this trip we went Scotland earlier on cuz you know in Scotland it's called a Scottish breakfast right it's the exact same thing pretty much but in Scotland is a Scottish breakfast I did have one there and it was that big although I avoid the pudding that is that is forbidden you can say what is it I don't know I don't want to know I guess I have never experienced that yeah is good it's just a lot a less grim but we're talking about fenders yes so my dad I always want to have my own band I always wanted to my own tunes and I always just wanted you know I did sessions and whatnot Ari and I second certainly as I like to say play well with others if I'm backing someone up you know I I play nice but I always wanted to have my own band always gonna do my own thing so and especially because we weren't cookie cutter that fit it all this is a blues band even though we always got lumped into blues ville but that always made the blues purists upset as they get you know the bluesier than thou people and now that I'm judging again but you know folks are folks and it's too many codes that's right yeah so anyway we were playing at actually I was working a music store at the time during the day and playing out at night and supporting them all no actually then it was the long hair sorry and a guy from Fender came in the local rep came in with a guy a legendary Fender figure by the name of Don Johnson we'd been with fender since God knows when he looked exactly like Carl Perkins and he worked it too he always had the bolo and the cowboy boot he had the hair that wasn't here I don't know but it looked like you know Carl Perkins and we have the shaded you know glasses and whatnot and he heard me playing a guitar he came over he goes do you play in a band they go but when did I do as a matter of fact we're playing out tonight you should come on down so he did and saw this band I was playing I was playing there two nights in a row the first night was kind of an all-star kind of local all-star thing and he came out to me afterwards he goes we should write you up in that Fender frontline magazine I go that'd be wicked and then the very next day a guy named Jack Schwartz who travelled around for a Fender all over the world and didn't he did all kinds of stuff for him he was coming into town to do a clinic and the fender reps like we gotta go see this guy down at this bar and he's like yeah just what I want to do when I'm on the road after I do a clinic is to go out and see a guitar player but he said look you got it I'll have one beer well he stayed all night and then bought every one of the tapes that we had cuz back then we had tapes and so he bought the tapes and he passed them around and then it just kind of built from there and then they had me my first clinic ever was in Chicago at a place called gand music and that was in 1994 Wow and that was also cool intuitive's my first fender clinic and the Gehrig and came out to me as like do two sessions and I go well I've done some sessions back home because don't you just says dodge calculus ed at that point in time Chicago is like a place where a lot of the ad agencies were located so a bunch of jingle work what's going on there and you could make a pretty decent living just doing sessions dan and day out if that was your thing and he was I know some people that down here to do sessions I'll I'll have them give you a call and you know when people say that to you like yeah whatever you know two days later I get a call and they said hey be down here Thursday's such at such a time yada yada yada and I went down and my first session I go in luckily I knew the the guy that was paying the plane pedal steel but it was like the room was filled with people one of them was Howard levy we just saw at the airport and Frankfurt but the guy from Baylor Fleck and the Flecktones you know and he was playing mandolin and harmonica on the on the date and anyways was intimidating so but it went well and they called me the next day and I started doing a bunch of says so that 1994 was a good year the fender thing started started doing sessions and I'll never forget the first time my in-laws actually kind of looked at me with a little bit more than you know like oh my god who did our daughter Mary was when we were up for Christmas I think it was that year and I had played on an automobile commercial and it was just like congas and my guitar in the car you know and I go I played on that one really and then suddenly I wasn't such a jamoke anymore jamoke hashtag loser okay so that was great so I started doing the fender thing and I always looked at it as a way to I enjoyed playing the guitars certainly the legacy obviously and then looked at it as a way to forward my musical career and then as I started to reproduce I was more worried about how am I going to provide house parth food and transportation clothing for a variety of offspring so then it became a little bit more substantive as far as a big part of what I did and then I got hooked up with Hal Leonard right around the same time so you know when you're just playing in the band and letting the good times roll that's one thing but then as soon as as soon as you got to make the grown-up currency then you have to figure out a way to be able to well you guys know what I'm talking about you got to do what you got to do but I love everything I get to do and I've always loved and that's why I think that it's gone pretty well as that it's like hey you know what you're gonna end up doing these videos really well what's that all about well I like that you know a lot most of the things that have done you know really well for me I never would have thought of in the first place but I was just open to it and I enjoy it I never leave the house going oh my god I gotta go do we're gonna go play guitar somewhere this sucks you know I did it so I love what I get to do and and it's all going alright so I can't complain because a great many people will know you from those videos yes absolutely yeah I mean it's it's insane of all the things that are over here so fender thing Hal Leonard thing you know got the first record deal with Steve eyes thing and then ended up doing the mascot deal and you know travel all over doing all the stuff animations that favorite nations yeah and then of course this and then I had articles and a bunch of different guitar magazines over the years where I'm either you know of course you're the press ones but also I had columns and different magazines and so on and so forth all that stuff was great fantastic but on a sudden I started doing these videos and it is exponential the the amount of exposure from the video so because you know I'm basically just playing whatever comes into my head and being a wiseass and then I'm playing these iconic instruments you know yeah and and it just was something that I couldn't have scripted I cut the questions about those videos the first thing is if I'm it's a Friday night and I've had a beer I like nothing more than putting on the outtakes yeah of those well I think the 10th or 11th outtake videos now and they are just perfection oh well why would get ours dot-com is the is the website but the Wildwood channel on YouTube is where all this stuff is uh blame you know I'm sorry go ahead yeah no no at least go that it's an education it really is but I want to ask you because you played so many great guitars over the years and they're like the wild-boar guitars especially I know that they spec them you know I expect for those cars that come through yeah is there something consistent that you find in these guitars that because you've played so many of them that there's a consistency where you find a good one is that like is that their consistency with the weight is their consistency with their pickups well I will say that um what Wildwood diamond Steve misplay the owner of Wildwood guys not only she's a great musician a great guy but the guy's wicked smart you know and he would and he figured out early on that in order to differentiate his store from anybody else he had to have unique instruments that were available so I mean he realized right away I think the first company did was was Taylor actually where he said well what if we did this kind of wood with this kind of you know all the different specs that he dictated they said no problem as long as you buy X amount and he pre-sold them before he even got him you know and then he's like well this is this is effective and then so he started doing the thing with fender and this was back when it was you couldn't get that the I'm hope I'm not stepping on too many tells you but the dogma was don't do a custom shop reissue of a 52 tele or a 63 strat and have the unmitigated audacity to have a flatter radius and taller frets and it's like no no we want that well we're not going to do it we said well I'll buy X amount and we'll do these things and they call them wild with 10 so the why would 10 thing is there's 10 things about the guitar I can't remember what all the tens no but but certain weights hmm they have to be a certain way yep then finished certain certain pickups that they're wounded their specification quarter-sawn necks so on and so forth and people just went crazy farm hand over fist and same thing with Gibson there was a lot of things that Gibson Custom Shop well they weren't doing that they that why would want and want it done so they gave him a little recipe they called that Wildwood specs and those guitars what's kind of hard to believe is I'm playing these guitars and I'm obviously when you're playing all these gorgeous estimates you're like this and you're like what's the cost on this way like holy and these guitars are flying out the door I don't know I bless them all the inner demons and if people think I'm and they are fantastic and as you know there's people like well I've got a classic vibe and it's every bit as good like classifies a great guitar but statistically speaking when you're talking about woods and construction and materials as far as pickups to the woods the whole line here instead the problem what's used to you know lacquer and so on and so forth mathematically speaking the more expensive guitars sound and play better look I think I just had the internet why here's the other thing is if you have a guitar that you love the way it plays and it sounds great then you're done you know I would say whatever inspires you if you got the extra skill Oda and you want to buy one of these glorious instruments you go if you don't you want to get something that plays good sounds good inspires you to play there you go it's probably a nice way to start talking about this end yes so I've seen you play Telly's I mean that's you're at home with teller and you've got this gorgeous 53 right but I've seen you play a lot which sounds incredible and now you've teamed up with Reverend to produce your own wooden offspring right right well there were there were things I wanted done on a guitar and obviously with my affiliation with Fender mmm you thought it would have been done in that environment but you know over the year have there's different people that run the company there they've got different priorities you know no harm no foul it was a great ride I still have a bunch of friends there and so on and so forth but I actually hooked up with Fishman in regard to the the fluence pickups right and that's where it all started realized and which is kind of a humorous tale because I I was never a huge I was never a person that would have a guitar and like try like 15 different sets of pickups so they found the right one so I bought a guitar and it's not a good we're done the only thing was is the conundrum of okay well you have that one guitar that you have your noiseless pickups in that is kind of your utility guitar that you bring with you when you know you might encounter any number of different you know hazards you know what I mean 60 cycle Quagmire's and so on and so forth but when you play that guitar versus your vintage instrument or something like that you're kinda like oh it's it's serviceable again as long as you don't play it next to the other one yeah you're fine yeah yeah exactly what ever I be never exactly when you a B then that's when you start Charlie Brown right so when I was talking to the Fishman folks and they were talking about you know the three things I've said the story of nine times but the the three things I wanted was a guitar pickup that sounded preferable to whatever else and was noiseless you know when I said that originally to the fender guys look what do you mean we have noises because I'm like I know in there they're great but I want to pick up that you want to use first and foremost sure and then is noiseless and then I want whatever has been used to get rid of the noise not you know something you know they have beaks and fangs and you've got you know pumps and steam and whatever else I I just wanted to look normal you know especially at Le Nick Nick it was just classic looking thing you know and then I want some kind of incremental boost on the guitar not something as Extreme as a Clapton preamp you know twenty four DBS you know I don't need all of that but I want a little something where I can press a button like this boydle and get something that's a little hotter a little beefier you know just in case you want to take it over the edge what does it do okay so there's two different voices on board the first voice and like what they call white guard Talley but it basically it's a more open brighter - a brighter tone another volume they lose Nia [Music] [Applause] [Music] that's the reason why we went with all the other fishermen fluence pickups you engage the second voice by a push-pull pot on the tone control but because I like to do all that kind of tone control malfeasance I didn't want any of that kind of utility being compromised or mitigated by any kind of push-pull eree wait a minute so layer fish was like yeah I got a push push button little work in the pits right handy-dandy between the two controls so that's what I used to engage after the race as you go and so it comes with all of the stuff so it comes to the pickups it comes with this control panel which has everything in it to keep it quiet to change the voices and in order to do everything that it does there is a battery involved which initially is like I don't want a battery in my damn guitar but like look we've got a lithium-ion battery you charge up with your phone charger for an hour and a half charge you get 300 hours of plugged in playing time I'm like oh wow well that's not even a thing so the input jack also has a little mini USB input so you plug it in a little red light goes on that says I'm taking of the juice and then greens like full and then you're ready to rock for 300 hours of pagan rock craft in your future so in exchange for that you get totally noise free pick ups you get two voices and every one of the pickup sets sounds the same because of the materials that are used because it's not wound pickup so I say there's no longer the the witchcraft sachiko woundes ona Wednesday afternoon 1:15 she had a delicious Grecian lunch that day there was a regen oh and oil and garlic on her hands and I think she had a couple of lagers and as a result she went a couple more times than usual that's why my pickups are the best as spoken by some mutant in his parents basement clad slathered in peanut butter to Scooby Doo Ami's yelling is mom for more meatloaf listen I'm glad your pickups are great but how about the rest of us these pickups are great in any guitar you get you know what I'm saying ah well I say all that I'm not judging anybody I want to make that clear how many how many guitar companies do you say no to every day like you must your inbox must be like please can work with us please come work with well you know what's really weird is that you'd be surprised it's surprised how many people get the joke you don't I mean it's like they want they always think that you know there's gonna be some blues fetus that's gonna change that's gonna save the guitar industry where did you get the tone blues fetus we used to use that one guitarist magazine well you know what was fine is that Steve Lukather actually said it and then I said that's funny because I always had this joke about the next blue star is going to be in utero slim that's the Steve who's going to be an individual a child in utero slim and I'll try master the lead through the belly button you know playing the hit song dust my womb can you die yet and then where do you go from there animal community you know what's what's gonna be a plant blue star you know slim bean McCoy you know with this the vegetation blues it just never ends and that's not what I good in if it's you know getting young people to play I get it all but you know what you can appreciate all members of the human community that are playing that you know there might be some guy who's never seen the light of day or some gal or whatever the case may be that might be a hundred and seventy years old playing blues with great authority because they've been wearin depends for seventy years you know and I'm sand they can't see they can't hear they have no control of their bowels that's the blues okay kids sorry your lunch money got stolen by some bully but if you're never it's not worth it try Geritol sometimes Sonny Boy question two was what is the switch is it is it actually a preamp there is a preamp onboard yeah yeah so the coil itself is made there was some aerospace guy that was a guitar player that was working all the time with these really thin circuit boards and he thought you know what what if you printed a coil on the circuit board and then stack those up instead of actual windings and then you would have the perfect template to make it sound whatever you want so there are magnets in there so it is just a regular coil that's made out of the substance but on its own is a little anemic it's just kind of a blank canvas so you need a preamp to address it to make it sound the way that you want but the point is you can make him sound any way that you want yeah right so there's two voices in there and we got it kind of in the ballpark and what was cool about the process of voicing them is that they had a shuttle guitar a Tele that was routed out with two quarter-inch things and he decided to pick up so we're live pop the actual wound regular wild pickups out and then put the fluence version in and then in real time we were attached to a bunch of MIT talented fish men so they had some flux capacitor discombobulated and program that right on the spot they're like but no Marlin and they just kind of went like this until we got in just by the time we were done voicing them I preferred the sound of these pickups over the regular conventional because we could a be you know in the same guitar in real time the only main so it was really exciting so the pickups came out and I was like well the pickups are out maybe I'll talk to my music friends over at Fender Musical Instruments and let's just say that they were friendly as always but not interested so then I was gonna do a thing where well maybe no I was playing that red tele last time I saw you guys gossiped it's a wild wood 10:05 galley with the Fishman fluence pickups it was by my camera and I was playing that a bunch and then I had my 53 tele and then we were thinking about well maybe we'll do a run at why would the world do like custom shop versions of those instruments and so that was kind of in the air that we would do a version of the red tally with my pickup Senate and then maybe like a custom shop version of the 53 and then I've been buddies with the Reverend guys forever and we were kind of shooting the breeze and actually at one point I was going to do something with the trevor wilkinson with with fret king because they were buddies with the Fishman folks and Trevor made me a guitar that I used and I loved and then he made me a prototype which I really dug but he doesn't handle the business side of things and we started talking about the business side of things that was a member I said people don't get it we're gonna just end it there so I decided not to do it because you know it just didn't work out right yeah so then more time went by Ken from Reverend and I are shooting the breeze because he would come out and do video shoots all the time at why wooden we always got along really well he's about my size he also has four kids he lives in the Midwest he's deranged we get along right and so he said listen Joe Neil and I would love to do something with you no pressure because we're buddies but if it ever made sense to do something you know let me know so Reverend always has these fun parties at NAMM at summer name and at Winter NAMM they're always having these damn parties I like I want to plan a party and them so he's like well you could play the part of what guitar would you play I said well I'll tell you what if you don't mind would you be cool with putting some of those my pickups in one of those Peter Anderson East Siders and I'll play that and so he's like yeah sure have fisherman Sammy's a pickup so fisherman sent him my pickups and also some of their classic humbuckers which are fantastic anyway so he set me up with this glorious East Sider and I started playing that guitar and I was like I got the intonation on this thing's great it stays in tune and I could treat it like a farm animal it just kind of says bring it player in a man it takes it all and and then I thought this guitar is not there's there's not thousands of dollars difference between this and my red instrument so then I started started the the wheels started spinning a little bit and then Ken asked me to come out to Toledo where Reverend is located till she's hot dog place there by the way but that's on a separate story so I came out there and did some videos with Ken and we'd go to call it the Ken and Greg show or we just kind of grabbed a bunch of the different guitars they had and I'm playing all these different guitars I'm like there's really cool like urgh anomic little weird twists on classic designs but the iconic manufacturers could never do because people would it would explode right so I was just like well if you got what this thing that says like I could leave here with five guitars for what it would take me to buy one of these other instruments that I'm playing all the time so then I started rolling around on the brain a little bit and I said Ken what if we did a guitar where we made body a little bit bigger you know because I said this many times the fender folks I go listen I'm not the only one that's big and guitars look like ukuleles or how many times like I hear it feel another 3/4 Suns instrument I was a while with a smaller guitar no it's not I'm just big ok leave me alone so I wanted something that was a little bit larger and I remember saying to the fender foot should make like the man caster make it a little bit bigger see and it's just it's just ever so slightly larger it didn't make any sense I didn't really realize this until this happened done just play that for like 3 seconds now song will do really clever quick cut yes see now because it's not done it looks it looks bigger yes but I mean it looks right size is and it's not too big that it doesn't fit in regular guitar cases you know it's so none of those problems are and so they fit in regular cases and other kind of stuff I didn't realize it was bigger actually when I actually is it you said about 3 percent yeah it's very subtle that's very say it is very subtle but yet that subtlety manifests yes much more yes and we wanted to keep the weight down obviously because I like light guitars all of these guitars are a little over 7 pounds so you see this middle section is kind of raised I had this funky guitar that I bought from a gentleman out in California Ventura County guitars he had this cool guitar at the Dallas guitar show which was a Firebird body with a tele bolt on neck and tell he controls and I was playing at my one of my orange room diluted caffeinated ramblings one day on Facebook and Jo Naylor saw it he said well as long as we make the body bigger why don't why would you like like a raised section like the other guitar here that said that would be really cool so it actually works as weight relief because the the raised section is actually the traditional width of a regular tee style guitar anyway and everything else is recessed so it just gives you it's a little bit of weight relief there and then I wanted the Wilkinson bridge on it with I like the three brass saddles they just seemed to have a little bit more twang Allina and then I liked the neck on the East Sider but I wanted just a little bit more with to it so it's just slightly larger and it's a compound radius ten to fourteen inches it's got 60 105 frets and locking tuners and the roasted maple thing I really dig because it's yes especially on living in Wisconsin where it's a can be a winter it's a winter hellscape there right now they're getting six inches of snow today and it's it's it's no early November right yeah yeah yeah exactly and it shouldn't be snowing yet and it is so anyways I I take this guitar I went to Jamaica last year we went for me what they called the polar vortex it was like 20 below zero back home and then I went to Jamaica and then I went back in the neck never moved there's no weirdness in under Maine so I think and of course that's probably I think because they roasted to get all the moisture up they're less likely to move yeah there is no difference between this matchstick and the best piece of swamp ash you've ever heard there is literally no difference I'm sound exactly the same way when you make a guitar out of them you know that right well I know what's interesting to as I've said this before is like you know I've played a lot of guitar yeah right a lot and you can hear the difference so either it's a it's either it's a universal delusion or it's real and then you might would say this is all the universal delusion so what does it matter am I right or am i right are we even here probably not I think if you did a philosophy YouTube channel it would ever watch these videos where he starts off and it just justit's like this welcome welcome to spaciousness that's my favorite word spaciousness that's why I search for every damn day spaciousness y'all get it I think spaciousness is quite nasty too reverb yes I bought guitar off chap recently in the East of England a Fender Stratocaster a black Fender Stratocaster I walked into the house to do the deal and what should he have there ah yeah heaven one of my amps yeah indeed so um it has your name on the front this is a funny story so I've known about the camps really they say Koch they say co-ed isn't correct Edwin still mad Edwin is still there Edwin cool yeah exam which is the greatest name ever Ned wouldn't cool and dolf is the is it's kind of the same thing as Reverend Joe Naylor was the original designer and so on and so forth he's still there being the designer and doing all the things he's really good at and then somebody else handles a business same thing with with now as Edwin does the business and dolf makes all the amps so I was at the music Massa probably 7 years ago ish as time flies and I was there for Fishman actually and right across the way was the booth and actually a Dolph and his wife came over and they said you know we're big fans users we got a couple of your CDs yada yada yada I said that's funny because I've played a couple of year amps and I really really liked him and I thought wouldn't that be funny if we work together right and and that did like a little picture next to a stack of their amps unlike the internet had a hernia of some sort you have your own damn company I'm like ee ya know and so then they let me use one of their twin tone 3 amps and I really liked it it did a lot of the stuff that I had to comp when I used to use a Fender supersonic I would do a thing where I would jump a lead from the the send in the return and then boost the signal a little bit it wasn't using the effects of the as you know conventional flash live I was just using it as a boost because it was on the foot pedal you had the effects loop thing and so I could get you know the clean sound and of course there's two different clean sounds I damp and then I could hit that button get it a little boost and same thing for the lead channel well that's what all the amps come with anyway there's there's like a rhythm and lead volume so you can set the clean sound as it is and then like a boost to set boost lead sound gain boost and then another boost on top of that so it's all this really cool ability to just kind of control everything from your feet cease and your hands so I was really any when they started shooting the breeze I started using the amp on the home front and he said what if we didn't have together what would we do and I think originally Edwin thought I was probably high crack which I wasn't but I I want um I like amps with two tens I like combos with two tens I thought I was insane I was like listen the vibra Lux is perhaps the greatest amp of all time and I like the sound of tension if you build the cabinet right now there's plenty of low ends you get the focus of the two tens and life is fantastic and like okay what else I said well I like the clean sound let's leave that alone but instead of having just a generic boost on it I'd like the ability to hair it up a little bit and so they had this OTS circuit which I guess some other companies have done too which is a half watt power amp tube that you can overdrive and then add to either channel as like a nice new thing and then on the lead channel I set it so it's a nice little slightly over driven sound and then there's a gain boost that you can that's a preset gain boost you can hit and then I can hit that OTS on top of that again and when I do that it actually sounds like a fuzz if I attach that to the to the lead channel and then I wanted a three button reverb you know I wanted the the dwell the tone and the mix you know because like the old reverb tanks and then I wanted harmonic vibrato that's my favorite you know the old brown here uh you know to me it sounds glorious the only thing that's maybe on par with it is of course is the mag the real magnet yeah yeah yeah and so they made it all happen they delivered it I said I wanted sonic blue like really you know what's gonna buy that I'm like and so they made it all happen and so it's been I mean I literally you know usually I go to gigs and I bring a cord this amp and we're done yeah because I mean I just like more especially when I'm playing with Toby with the organ you don't really need much else you just need the guitar to cut through and do its thing so I don't really need to worry about atmospheric stuff so much in this particular lineup so I just go kind of straight in yeah we see your extensive yes yes so anyway I got the reverb off right now I got the reverb little juicy right now [Music] [Applause] [Music] like black Macy I should say these are y'all 34 is in here but it sounds very fender [Music] I should also mention that it's on the half power mode right now so it's on 25 watts either 25 or 50 mm-hm right so that reverb is luscious and juicy so you know there's some folks that would just be at home there you know the main clean sound with that OTS boost but if I go to the lead channel let me hit the the vibrato sticking here with that sounds like [Music] just make a little noise but hey what are you gonna do there's a price absolutely beautiful that sounds good absolutely awesome is it and do you know how they achieved that they all well what Dolph said what was very interesting is that under usual circuit as the reason why fender stopped doing it is because it you needed three tubes to do it he figured out to do it with two so it is a tube tube driven thing it's just that he figured out a way to make it less to be first time I've ever seen like a bunch of ordinary stuff that you would expect on the front of an amplifier and then some other things on the top so we rebuilding trams on the top yeah all the fun stuffs are the top that's so cool it's really does sound killer that OTS thing you say that's a an extra tube just doing a bit of extra hair yeah exactly yeah and I've got it I've got the volume in the gain maxed so the only thing it's that's a little tricky when you're using the amp is that there's on the front of the amp or just your standard amp controls you know your three EQ and then the gain and the volume you got to make sure that you don't drive those channels too much that that when you hit that that it's not a gain you know so I have to yeah find the sweet spot where when I hit the OTS it's a boost above where I have the channel set but it's not rocket science you can figure it out pretty quick it is really not because so many companies going for that kind of over driven fender so it often just ends up sounding a bit harsh yeah sounds super reverb on six Connor right witches yeah yeah where's that beautiful has and that's tens that's tense yep sure experimental ization Daniel yes if you wouldn't mind hearing your guitar a little bit yes okay this plug a strap through it just for a second I just probably won't get to behold we probably won't get to see one of these for another little while so will you impression Stan now seems like though by the way sorry I'm gonna do it [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] as the OTS to them [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] try a little bit of that sweet vibrato that is spirit Gregg is flowing [Music] nicely done like that is delicious I think you're feeling that I really air I was gonna play the old strap [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] yes apologies swoop Wow well well well Wow right never need it never knew it did all that other other stuff gain yeah sorry it's a bit weird pretty front a great but you know girlfriends hopefully yes a while right can we just hear how soil in those pick up solvent buzzing [Music] [Music] [Applause] that's gonna happen [Music] it's a beastly creature that's fantast amazing job amazing job - 10 - 10 we spoke about it amazing so extending on from your gain sounds you've got the gristle King yes is your your pedal sorry who makes this Oh Tim yarning my buddy Tim Jana has been making him for you he also makes the the culmination pedal for Jeff Coleman and that lukather likes to use every time look why hookah there does a a gear thing poor Tim gets inundated with more orders than he can handle yes so we've been doing the Guru circuit I went to college with with Tim the University of wisconsin-stevens point what did you do at college I drank a lot of beer security I got a no Niner in progress now I studied jazz guitar gonna ask you because your harmony knowledge is awesome Wow thank you but I you know I went to school I didn't want to be I had no interest in being someone that knew every standard and could reharmonization t' jim in in music but being able to read it to a professional level issue and to be able to certainly write it and i wanted to know how to deal with chord changes should they arise and and so that's why i went to school my dad was very much you know my dad was a lawyer and so he was very concerned about my musical exploits and so he wanted to make sure if I was gonna do it that I would be as knowledgeable as possible although he did have discussions with each one of my instructors on the way including my college professor saying would you please tell them how it really is tell them what a struggle and what a hellscape the music business says I'm like dead there in the music business you're telling their life is hell and so they would all say the same thing and they'd say listen it's really hard you end up getting married and then you you know you got to figure out a way to make ends meet and you know you're gone all the time it's very hard on the family but that being chair that being the same I wouldn't do anything different they all said the same thing and then of course my young delusion I'm looking at the whole time I'm seeing their lips moving I'm special just like we were all special right right like I'm special all right just like everybody else yeah and then anyway so yeah I want school for music I did not graduate which horrified my parents but I was it was a jazz guitar performance and I was playing all the time and to spend more time in this rural community in central Wisconsin was not something I was willing to do anymore but what was funny is that years later my son went to school at a school in Minneapolis and they actually asked me to be an instructor there a professor at a music college and I did it because they made me an offer I couldn't understand I mean they basically said look we need someone to teach a class that's kind of a survey of styles you need to know how to play you know be able to reference a bunch of different playing styles and then also know the oral history of it and be able to communicate that and so on and so forth and yeah we need you two days a week I said you know I have to do everything else I do because I have to you know actually pay the mortgage and stuff like that they said well we can make it Mondays and Tuesdays I'm like well that's better I said but I travel a lot won't we work around your schedule but Mondays and Tuesdays of this and we'll put you on full salary or at least a salary and benefits and your kid goes to school for free like we're done here it sounds good so I did it for a year but that was my favorite thing on my dad we go I always disappointed me that you didn't finish school I said dad I taught college I think I won I think I think victory was achieved so I did that for a year and then when my when my son decided not to go there anymore I died had I really enjoyed coming up with the curriculum learning cool things and explained it but just the idea of music school is just so hard I mean it's like these youngsters come in there and you're like they have no idea what awaits them and then when they're not prepared for class I mean it's like listen music is sacred if there's one thing that's the best regardless of all the other poop and Schmeling you will encounter that music is fantastic so if you don't come in here loving music I wanted to just suck up as much as you can regardless of the outcome that you think it's gonna have that you're gonna be if some kind of meteoric star whatever the case may be on earth the jams he had and they would come in and they would be unprepared hmm you know and they would not know their stuff and they would be like well I only lost it with them once each semester only one time and it takes I've got long fuse and one day I just finally said you know as you are embarking on a career that is almost impossible to succeed in under the best of circumstances now and none of you are the best I'm sorry to say and do you think that that man like holy Sh no we gotta get her a cure they're like what you know like okay and so I could oh my soul could only handle it for a period of time so my heart goes out to everyone that that teaches primarily for their living because you love it so much you love the jams you're so excited to share it with somebody and when that is not reflected it takes its toll am i right yeah I just have one more question about that that whole learning side of things because I'm starting to get in more involved in the how many things myself when you guys set up and started playing before whenever we hang out with you we're always in tears of love and you have this ability to bring joy to people oh well and it's it's wonderful but that comes across when you play as well yeah and it's so I mean you know they're just some lives and things you pull out and it's it's amazing because that part of your personality you can actually project through your plane now is that something that being like knowing all that harmony know other stuff does that help you to be able to do that well there are certain things yeah it gives you more of a bigger grab bag to pull from so it makes it a little bit more interesting but I just try to be as conversant in the moment as possible getting back to all that guy totally special that's I tried to a ping you read that book see what we just listen to I'm sorry it's fantastic I spoiled his now is it's very it's fantastic the old a card I get it how you listen to him all the time and I've read both those book they're friends anyway but I try to make out too late by the way yes power of now and then the new earth is the other one but this yeah it's good but you know I when I teach I do teach some Skype lessons you know I don't advertise them a lot but they just come in at a rate that I can kind of keep up with them when I am tired and there are always a lot of fun but MP 'pl are like listen all I know is a pentatonic scale and I'm really sick of playing the same old licks and so on and so forth and I say well really how much knowledge you have is irrespective of your ability to have a decent conversation so if you're able to you know a lot of times getting a improvisation start was just kind of a call-and-response thing or some kind of sequential thing that you repeat or it might be a pick up selection or might be a chicken Pig or a pincher mine or whatever you start this thing that builds off of what you just played and that if you know three notes you can make a whole solo based on those three notes and not worry cuz we're always thinking at some point down the line I'm gonna make music that's worthwhile is like no you all you have is the rights now have fun in the moment with the skill that you have and you're not concerned about the outcome and I mean so that's a really hard thing for guitar players to get our music people in general but music in general is like I'm in the moment I'm playing I having a good time oh my god someone shows here I got to make sure I got to make sure I play that money shot lick because that you know and if you can divorce your study and in the moment you can kind of see that thought kind of come in and just go you know dig it to the curb yeah and then you're just you're just kind of playing it and you just kind of let the ideas go and you might hit a wrong note but then you can kind of in as they say the jazz bio pretty Carano and just kind of but sometimes that's really a fun way to sometimes I'll just pick like a random place on the neck and just start stick it take a stab and then have to dig my way out you know and there's no wrong answers you know what I mean there's no I mean I've gotten real real you know it's all the same music I don't care if you it's like that probably quote that people have heard from other people I just kind of recently came across it it was a buddy of mine was doing a session and he's a he's a great musician but he's more of a self-taught guy alternate tunings type of stuff and kind of knows what he knows but isn't real conversant with how to translate especially those open chord boys I'm open tuning voices voicing to other people and so he had these string players come in to do a session and one of them was like this really well renowned classical musician the guy came in and my buddy was just like oh my god you know I'm so intimidated to be around you and the guy looked at me cuz it's all one music what are you talking about you know they so he did not have any attitude about the fact that he was playing you know the most sophisticated western music of all time versus a folk thing it's like it's all the same so that's why I don't you know whether someone can play 50 notes or two notes or you know they play real blues or it's like all that stuff as old a car would say it's just manifestations of ego like activity you know what I mean you try to divorce yourself from that mutt stuff as much as possible and then just enjoy the music and the moment and that it's sacred it's the best that's the thing with being mean if I give my advice for but being a musician is is I told my kids that because both of my daughters are wanted to go into theater and I said listen the arts is the worst you know I mean as far as expectations versus reality yeah I said but if you really love what you do it I said let me put it this way what you love what you the love of what you do has to so far eclipse the BS you will encounter and if you're willing to make that leap that you think that your adoration for your craft and your love and your pursuit of it is so much so that it's going to eclipse the absolute cesspool of Filth and disgust that you will encounter then go ahead but you know if the all of a sudden oh this is horrible this person got picked and they don't have I'm like it's not a meritocracy it rule number one you know right and so that's that's the thing it's like if you love it is then you can get through just about anything and most of the time I mean all the stuff that I think office I'm gonna really try to push this thing and this it all this thing's stuff I really try to push aren't the things that go it's this thing I never thought of that comes from over here going hey you want to yeah I guess on that boom you name a you know like okay you're just gonna make yourself available to the next right thing be nice and stuff lines up let me try for yards nothing lines up well there we go so you come in for the fun then you get a philosophy lesson I knew we'd get there well there we go deep deep I feel it okay we were gonna talk about the gristle King yes we could talk about everything for the next five hours clearly this could be a ten hour show um I think we need to get the gristle King don't we but you were telling us briefly Greg that um you don't necessarily use that with this is something you'd use if you get provided with another amp you're not sure well you guys know more than anybody else since the name of the show is that nothing responds especially when you want to kick an amp over the edge than a pedal and and I'm the first part of this tour I was messing with the palace I got addicted to the pedal again because you're used to that how it that responds yeah just notes different notes respond different to have gain as opposed to Pelle it's weird but it's it's a fact so but then I just went back to just using the app because I just decided like you know what I'll just run the amp on ten and then everything will be fine and so that's what I did but like if I do uh you know I'm flying in someplace I don't know what I'm going to be using I'll bring this pedal I also have a triple gristle version but Tim can't make him anymore because there's like three pedals in one it's a it's a it's an overdrive it's a clean boost is what the gristle King is and the and the triple gristle has a fuzz on it as well that really sounds good it's got a buffer on it and but he he couldn't make him and people were like a year later like so we decided to step away from that one so this is actually a version that we worked on with Fishman so Fishman manufactures as for so I know you have these in quantity okay it's just a yeah and and I do Tim from Tim's website Tim yarn it's Tim yard calm so you can google it yeah or my website Greg Carr calm I do signed ones from from my website clean sound on the end [Music] before after I usually hit the gain on top [Music] and there you go real band frequencies aren't they yeah yeah so you know compared to someone's really thick metal distortion it might sound a little Scratchy right in a band it's like yeah yeah it's gonna cut through the morass speaking of which I think we should probably maybe hear it a little bit get the boys in yeah yeah yeah no what should we do that sounds good first of all I want to thank you for coming on the show I want to thank you for the joy that you've bought to so many of us okay girls it's honest being you know watching you in the orange room for so many years and it's honestly it always no matter what's going on my day it always picks me up it's truly wonderful so thank you so much okay I hope you enjoyed that guys thanks so much for watching please subscribe if you haven't subscribed also a massive thank you to our preferred retailers in the UK and Europe is and this is music of Guilford in Surrey and in Australia would be peddle Empire of Brisbane Queensland also massive thank you to our patrons on patreon thank you and also if you haven't done so yet head over to that pillow show store calm grab yourself one of these nice t-shirts a nice t-shirt yeah bounnam draw a VM Drive journals 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Channel: That Pedal Show

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Keywords: Greg Koch, The Greg Amp, Gristle King pedal, That Pedal Show, Reverend Gristlemaster demo, Blucifer Blue, Wow Red, Koch The Greg demo, Greg Koch interview, Reverend guitar demo, guitar pedals, best valve amp, harmonic tremolo, The Greg Amp demo, Greg Koch trio, Koch Marshall trio

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Length: 87min 31sec (5251 seconds)

Published: Fri Dec 06 2019