- As a player, to be honest, I didn't know what being
a father was, right? Being a dad, yeah it's cool, right? It was real cool, you know? "All right, I'll see
you at the game, right?" "Hey", wave to you a couple times. By the time I get home, you asleep. By the time you wake up, I'm gone, right? You know, that's really the NBA father. We wasn't really... - Yeah, you miss a lot. - We miss a lot and we're there, right? What's so funny is that we're the ones in the household that's messing up things. - Real talk.
- Right? They have their schooling, they're on a program.
- Oh, word. - We've been on the road 12 days, we're the ones-
- You're fucking up their routine.
- That's coming home, fucking up their routine. Nah, we're gonna go get
some ice cream today, right now, 11:00 PM. They're like, "Nah, he got
school in the morning." "Ah, all that school shit." But we're the ones that they're like, "Oh, can you go back on the road?" - And that's us being a good dad. Literally, like he said, they
got a brush teeth routine, they're in bed by 9:00. - And the player, we mess it up, so- - We're fucking all that up. - When I was-
- We get home at 2:00. - Yep. "I'm home, hey everybody, wake up." "Hey, Daddy here." - "Oh man, how was school?" They like... - Three in the morning. Dad here? You here? - [Gilbert] Yeah, yeah.
- See you tomorrow. You're taking me to school? No? - No, they be like, no, "Are
you taking me to school?" "Nope. I'm a-be asleep."
(Gilbert laughing) - [Iman] Welcome to season
two of "Iman Amongst Men." The show that takes an honest look at what it is to be a
man in today's world. - [Ahrii] We don't shy away from topics most people are too afraid to talk about. We gon' take it all the way there. - [Iman] It's season two, y'all. (whispers)
Let's get it. - [Iman] Welcome to "Iman Amongst Men", presented to you by Uninterrupted. I am your host, Iman Shumpert, here with my big brother Ahrii. Ahrii, gon' and give
voice up to the people. - What's going on, people? Today, we got another special guest. Ha-ha. - Let's bring it. - We got three-time All-Star,
- Check. - Turned world-famous podcaster. Give it up for Gilbert Arenas. - One time.
(applause) - Thanks for coming through, man. - Y'all listen, y'all
already got a studio crowd. You don't need the extra. Y'all got a whole crowd back here. Just get, get 'em working. Everybody clap. On three. - Ay, get ready. You better get ready. We got some shit this year now. We got some shit coming.
- Yeah. - The theme of today's show is
gonna be "zero to a hundred". When you hear that, Agent
Zero, what do you think? - Besides Drake?
(all laughing) Turning up! Quick turn up.
- [Iman] Yeah. - You know what I mean? Like, you know, it started off as nice and it got real ugly. Real quick. - Real tough. Real tough. When you think about "zero to a hundred", and you think about some of those, those times in your career where you scored in bunches, you scored in a hurry. That long bout you did where it was even the shooting the
shots and just walking off and just, you know, we could always, we could tell when somebody's
just a different locked in, it's a different shot going up. When you're in these moments
of zero to a hundred, what are you thinking? - You're not. Right? Everything's, the game's moving fast, but for you, it's moving slow. - [Iman] Mm-hmm.
- Right? Everyday, it's like in the streets, right? All the lights is green.
- [Iman] Straight up. - And you just moving through it. Right? And that's what it feels
like when you're locked in. You know, when in the game
and you hitting buckets after buckets, that rim...
- Let's get big. - That rim is big. Like, you know what I mean? So you know, that's what it feels like. It just feels like you just
woke up and everything. Coffee's tasting exactly
how it's supposed to taste. Fit nice. You know? - Oh, it looks like that?
- Yeah, yeah, yeah. - Okay. - Fit nice, you know what I mean? Like, oh yeah.
- Yeah. - Go outside, perfect
weather, get in the car. Full gas. Right? Full gas, you don't
know how it got filled, but it's filled. - Straight up. - It's just all the way.
- [Iman] All green. - Just got all, your jam's on like, "Yeah, all right." - Yeah. That's that locked in feeling. The times that I felt like, you know, I'm locked in, my times is like, when
we went through playoffs, I always felt like, especially when running through the East when we was in Cleveland, once we understood how to turn it on, how to beat somebody four times. I'll never forget that feeling of like, "Okay, I get it now." Like I get why they saying,
"Keep the game within six", the little games within the game, or understanding that the whole playbook is out the window after
like game two or three 'cause we all know the plays. We don't even have to practice no more. Like we know them, we locked in. Being in those moments. Now that you say that,
I feel what you saying with, like, the green lights. My favorite part is the
stuff that jumps out and if I could piggy off that, it's like the green lights, but then it's like green lights and then looking out the window and seeing somebody stand
up on a fucking dirt bike. They standing up though
driving it with they feet. You like, "Wow, that's raw as hell. He ain't gonna fall?" Like, "Wow." Like seeing somebody in
those moments do crazy shit. Always used to, like, catch my attention, like we so locked in and
everything's going good, we playing great basketball, and then somebody do something. We be like, "Bro, you
don't usually do that. What make you do that?" What tells you in your mind
when you release that shot, I'm finna turn around? - The confidence. Right? In the moment. At that point, you know
that game right there, the last three, four minutes, me and, was it Okur? - Yeah. Trading buckets. - Buckets. Like boom, big shot, big shot. We was like, he hit a three, I'll come down, hit a three. He hit a three. I got three free throws. He hit a three. I got a three. Right, he hit a layup, I got a layup. Like we was literally
just carrying both sides. - [Iman] Right.
- Right? So it was one of those things where that we in that moment, like, there's nothing, nothing we're doing is stopping him. There's nothing... - [Iman] Right.
- ...that's stopping me. Right? And I'm the one
with the ball at the end. - Right?
(Iman, Gilbert laugh) - Right? You just tied it. You just tied it. And I got the ball at
the end and we just... - It's on me.
- [Gilbert] It's over. - I could really do whatever I want. - Right? That's why I shot it. Oh, Saturday, go home. Big, it was... - So nothing in that
moment tells you, like, "Let me just make sure I lock in, land it, stick it and
then I'm gonna turn-" Like you ain't... It was like it was gone,
and then it was like, turn. - Yeah, you know when you feel it, you can feel, like it... - I feel it, but... - None of that feels like, "I'm a-turn and just send
this off the wrong way." - Nah, when it come off your hand around, all I just need is that... There we go. I felt it. Yeah, it's happening. - It's wild. - Did you ever get approached
for disrespect on that? - Nah. Nah. One because you know,
I didn't really talk trash. Only if you said
something to me, I'll say. - Exactly. - If you was weak? If you was weak,... - [Iman] You playing?
- ...like I'm trying to convince you to turn up. Like, I like, for me to be... for me to tap into my greatness, I need you to tap into yours. - That's the Draymond.
(Iman conversing quietly) - Right? So my thing is, "Hey, man,
do you play defensive, or what are you here for?" Right? What you here for? - [Iman] Piss somebody off. - 'Cause, you know,
"Hey, coach, why he here? Sit him out, man, if he ain't gonna try to
stop me, sit him out." - That's the only way. - And get him, get him pit. Yeah. There we go. Oh yeah, there we go. Nice little, nice little here. That's what I'm talking about, so I can try to tap into
what I'm trying to tap into. - [Iman] Right.
- Right? 'Cause the only way I can really know what I'm doing or not doing... - Is to take some shit away. - You gotta, you gotta
come at me hard, so... - Nah, you wasn't gonna let me take that. You ain't taking that away. - You ain't taking that way. You ain't taking that way. - Press me. Press me, but yeah, cause I'm a-aim just like you. I'm gonna, I'm gonna adapt. - I ain't gonna lie though. It would've been a different clip if you did that while I was a guard. Like, especially if I
didn't notice that you did, 'cause I think my natural
instinct would've been to turn around and see if it went in and then after seeing the replay, I'd have been like, "This
nigga turned around, turned his back and walked off? Start talking to people? He ain't looked back to make sure he just waited on the crowd? That's some of the most
beautifully arrogant put-together shit that
I ever seen in my life. - It just like little
trash going back and forth. Like, they were throwing everything, - Now I gotta go watch
the end of the game. - Like Deron Williams? you in foul trouble, sit on the bench. Right? I'm talking my boy D. Brown, you know, I had Lil D Brown over there. - [Ahrii] Yeah. - And then they got Kirilenko on me, and I'm telling D, "They ain't got it, this is nothing."
(Ahrii laughing) They had Brewer on me.
- [Iman] He cooking. - Nothing. It's like, I'm just talking, like, 'cause you know D.
Brown was on our team. - [Iman] Straight up. So that was my guy. So I'm just sitting there
talking like these, they weak. - Amping each other up. - Just amping. - Yeah. He probably ain't even
realized he was amping. I wouldn't have amped your ass up. I'd have told his ass to
be cool after a while. Give dude that tap like,
"Hey, you're done." Oh, bro, I think Melo did that to me once. I can't remember who start cooking, but he hit me like, "Hey, man, like unless you finna..." - Yeah, yeah. - Unless you finna deny
this nigga the ball, like, you gotta chill, like I ain't trying to
deal with this shit. I think it was Al
Harrington, matter of fact. - Oh yeah. - I think I got into it with Al. We was talking trash to Al and he, he called me a young pup or something, scored like six straight. They called a timeout. I get to yelling at people, yelling at Stat or somebody, like, going in like, "Melo, hey, man, he doing that 'cause you doing all
that, shut the fuck-!" - Hey, 'cause it's like... - Shut the fuck up, yeah,
that's my big homie. You better be cool, like... - Man, that's just certain
dudes, like they thrive. They thrive on that trash, right? It's just that... - Real talk, though. - That trash talk, yeah! - It make them, it make them think you up! - Yeah, like Kobe? Oh, Kobe! Oh, Oh yeah! I was trying to wake
up but you got me now. - Now I'm a-lock in.
- [Gilbert] Yep. - Now I can see you. - Now you got 25 straight, and you're like, "Ah". "Man, I should have just shut up." "I should have just shut up." - How do you go from
Agent Zero to Chill Gil? - I'll say, you know, probably the gun incident,
to be honest, right? You know when, when you reflect back on, you know, on your situation and it's the personality, right? And people say, "Yeah, you
would do anything different?" And I say, "yeah". In theory, in that moment, I can't say I would because
that's part of my personality. If someone challenges, you gonna take the challenge every single time. That's what makes you who you are. - [Iman] Right.
- It ain't no different; If Kobe say "No, you can't stop me." Bet. You know what I mean? Bet Jordan? Bet. Listen, you gonna take the challenge. So me, I had to figure out how to like, I can't be half and half, so I either gotta be
Agent Zero or none, right? So that's when I left Washington, I was like, "I can't be
Agent Zero no more", right? So I'm one, I'm Penny, I'm gonna take on Penny's
quiet personality, right? And then that's how it was. So, once my career was over with, and social media popped off, you know, me and the BM going at it, and you know me, I'm taking it personal in a stance where you
ain't even doing it right. You ain't even killing me right. Well, you- I can do, I can kill me
better than you can kill me. Now, I'm no, you know,
I'm about to be no chill. Let me show you how to- let me show you how to do me like this. And that's when I just said, "All right, I'm just gonna piss everybody off." So if I piss everybody off, you gots no ammo against me. 'Cause they already, you know what I mean? And that's how it was. That's where No Chill came from. You did the Marshall Mathers. - Yeah.
- [Gilbert] Bet. - Eight mile.
- Yep. Yeah, yeah. I'm-a, I'm a-kill me better. I can do it in a better fashion. And that's what it was. And then it just became No Chill. - [Iman] No Chill. - Damn, dawg. That happened fast too. It did. It's crazy 'cause I low key thought it was, I thought it was- Like 'cause I, you know what I'm saying? I had met y'all in a good space. So I'm like, when it happened, at first I was laughing, thinking it was like gonna wear off. Like we can go back to this girl. Like niggas being funny damn near and, like it's gone, then it start getting descriptive
as hell in the caption. I'm short, like, but now it makes sense. You really was trying
to assassinate yourself. - She wasn't doing it right? - You ain't doing it right. I'm-a think that now, every
time something tripping. - I always felt that way about people making something. God, I'm like, "Bro, it's tough making something a game with somebody that play
a game for a living." Like no matter what his sport is, he's down, like he don't even realize it. He gonna be down to play the game. And like you said, that's crazy. Like you, you make mistakes
in your life and your career. But that's such a crazy thing to say, what you said, you would've
took the challenge again. - Yeah. - Like it's sick. You could be like, "I know myself in that moment." I literally only know not to take the challenge
'cause I took it. - Yeah. It's like... - But, if I don't have no reference of what happens when
I take this challenge, I'm gonna think I'm-a win. - Right, it's the same thing.
- Yeah. It's because that's who we are. - That's insane though, but that's actually like a
higher level of thinking. That's because everybody
else would be like, "Oh, I'd go back and change that." - Yeah. Yeah. It sounds cool. Yeah, yeah. Look, I wanna be- listen, I want to be like, "Yeah, yeah. I would never do that again." - [Iman] Right. Listen, I can tell you
that bullshit if I want to. - [Iman] Straight up. - But at the end of the
day, it all translate. On the court, off the court.
It's the same personality. So if you're telling me, "Yo, Kobe's challenging,
you're gonna accept it?" And I'll be like "Nah", and it's gonna work the same way. - [Iman] Right. So it really was just a hard job, a fight that went too a little far. - It wasn't even a fight, it ain't had nothing to do with me. I just accept it. You gonna do this, bet. I gotta see it. Right? - You gotta do it better. - You know when you get-
(Gilbert laughs) You know when you get
in that mood just being, I'm just being dickhead. - [Iman] What it is, what it is? - It's just a dickhead. I'm just being a dickhead. - [Iman] It had nothing to do with you? - No, not really. No. - What?
- I was the antagonizer. Hey, listen, you've been on a plane, you know when you see them, you see people losing money. - [Iman] Yeah. - And you start talking at? I was him. - Copy, copy, okay, you was instigated on. - I was instigated on. - Okay, okay, okay. - And end up turning. - That makes sense. - And I was like, "Dawg, there was no way they was just arguing, you just butt in in the locker room, then pulled up the next day, like, "Yeah." - I just, I'm just instigating shit. Just being an asshole. That's it. - You gotta love somebody
that could be honest, though. - And that's what our argument- what's so funny, that's what our argument was after it all. Like, dawg, you over here, like 'cause you know he's still trying to make a name for his
self amongst the team, and you over here Big
Boy-ing me, laughing at me, they think I'm sweet. I'm like, "I get it, I get it. My bad, my bad." - That makes sense, like, "Yeah". - Obviously, you trying to still establish yourself, and I'm over here trying to trump him. He ain't gonna do shit. - Copy.
- Yeah, yeah. - Copy, he like, "That's the only thing I
can say at this point." - Yes. - Are you killing me. - He be like, "Yeah, I
slap the shit out of you." You ain't slapping nobody, like
I'm over here trumping him. Like, nah, my bad. - Everything he do, he just- - I'm over here. - Just take the challenge. Like I'll take the challenge. - Oh, but he's stepping on them. He not even meeting him there,
he's just steeping on them. - You trying to get his respect. - Yeah, you got this. - Yeah, that's my rook, and I'm forgetting that he has to go through the process of "Let them know, like, yo, I'm a man too. and because he's my
close boy," like, yeah, you can't do that, right? And that, that was- so we sitting in jacuzzi
and he was just like, Man, why you just gotta keep? Come on, man, let me, let me live." Like, yeah, yeah. You right. My bad, know what I'm saying? - Well, you talk the world of media. You talk this podcast and stuff. You talk conversation. Do you think that there's anybody that's gonna keep it as real as you? - Yeah, of course. But they have to understand though that you gonna get hit, hard. - Straight up. - [Gilbert] But- - For letting it fly. - Yeah. You guys gotta keep going. Ain't no...
(Gilbert laughs) There, there comes a... Listen, there comes a time where
they hit me, but I laughed. - [Iman] Yeah. - Now what, what you gonna do? Right? If women, the LGBT, come on? What's happening, what y'all do? I'm-a double down and triple down. - We don't need you to double down. - [Gilbert] But that's what I'm saying. - So we don't need you around. - No, no. I know. - We don't have no issue with them. Don't make one. - No, no, no, no. I'm just saying. But I,
back then, I doubled. I say something, if you
don't like it, I double down. You say something else, I triple down. I can keep getting worse,
so y'all gonna have to bend. I'm not gonna break, but you going to have to go through that. See, we're so, you know,
we're programmed with... - And you wanna know what's wild? That's actually something that doesn't get talked about at all. - Excuse me. - There's never really a
"on the other side" apology or understanding part. - Mm-hmm. - Like say somebody says something, like say somebody says
something that's controversial, whether it's race, sexuality, religion, whatever it is that people feel like you can't cross this line, when somebody says whatever they say, it's like those people will, everybody will just go crazy on them. - Mm-hmm, mm-hmm. And then it's like if that person stands and says, "Nah, I can
articulate it for you. This is why I said it. I wasn't trying to be mean at all," but they not really given an apology 'cause they like, "I kind
of meant what I said", like "I said what I said" or "I feel the way I feel about that", but I don't have an issue
with everybody or anything. But then they kind of make them redact the statement, almost like. - Yep, mm-hmm. - They kind of make you apologize and take your statement back. And then it's like, so now what? It feels like you lose,
you know what I'm saying? And that's a weird feeling, 'cause it's like, "What happened?" Why can't the other side also be like, "You know what, "We apologize for jumping down your throat 'cause I could understand why you would say that and
how that's not offensive." Like nobody ever understands that it is not offensive on the other side when it's just like a regular comment. It's just crazy that he said that. I never really thought
about the other side. - But, once you know
that there's no apology on the other side... - [Iman] Yeah.
- Then you realize what are you apologizing for, because at the end of the day, as soon as you apologize, they got you. Blocked, we got you to apologize, and we're never gonna forgive you. We're never gonna forgive you. And then you're sitting there like, so if I'm gonna apologize, it's gonna be three, four years later when you forgot about it. - What's wrong with this man? - Right? Just come out of the
bridge, just come outta... - He got the best intentions. - Just, just come out of the blue. Like even, if like- - A raw delivery. - No, no, no, serious, like
I said some stuff like, I read, you know, how
you read sitting there, be sleeping, read something, and then, in your head, like, "Oh, this is what y'all on? Alright, bet." And then get the going.
- [Iman] Yeah. - And then when you
start reading comments, you're like... - [Iman] Oh, I ain't
think about it like that. - Oh, I read this wrong. Goddammit! - [Ahrii] You read it wrong.
- I read it wrong. - Real talk, but it don't
mean as much to you. - Now as I said, "I
read, I read this wrong." Oh, man. - Oh well. - And then you be like, "Eh,
I'm already down this road." "They're not going-" Hey, listen, "they don't
want to hear no excuse." "Might as well just keep going." And then like, I know I did wrong. - But I can't cave, I'm still a man. - But I can't cave, so, I just keep going, then I'd be like, "You
know what, let me go ahead. I gotta apologize in a few years. And then, and that's- - That's- - That's what I did with Lupita. - Oh, what you do? - What did you have an issue with Lupita? - I didn't, listen, I didn't
have no issue with her. I didn't even know her. - Listen!
(Ahrii laughs) - Didn't know her, right? I'm sitting there waking
up and I, it's, listen. - What you do, man?
- What did you do? - It said, listen, it was like, it was one of them African, you know, one of them African- Pages, right? And it said, it actually said you don't have to be mixed
to be beautiful, right? I don't know what I read. I read like, if you mixed
and but you're not African, you ain't cute. I don't know what my brain
said, but I got offended. Oh, this what y'all are on? Oh, bet. So I was like, "Oh, let me see who the most beautiful African people are. Oh, she ain't that cute. Oh, we got better than this. All right, bet." So I start off, "So, this is y'all queen? She got nothing on blah-blah-blah-blah." And I'm going, "I got two daughters that's dark and they mixed. You saying they ain't cute?" And I'm just running down. And then when I reread it, like... (Gilbert hisses)
- [Iman] That's Lupita. - Oh, we was talking about the same thing. Ooh, dang, I done fucked this one up. Yeah, I can't go back now though. - He made a mistake.
- [Gilbert] Yeah. - He had a whole argument. - [Iman] A whole argument. - But just couldn't back down. - And then, went and finally
went back and read it. - I was, yeah, I already
posted it, talking my trash. - But that still didn't stop him because he had to keep going. - [Gilbert] That's what I said. - You gotta take the challenge,
gotta play you a 1-on-1 - That's what I said,
I'm sitting here like, "Man, I just threw this
girl under the bus." Didn't even know who she was. - If y'all don't know, man, it's the part of "Iman Amongst Men", where we're finding out, niggas just wanna play y'all 1-on-1. - [Gilbert] All right. - If Gil ever have an issue with y'all, if you think it's an issue, come play free throw contest, man. Nip that shit in the bud dawg. - Or just wait three or four years. - And you didn't apologize. - [Gilbert] But that's what I said. I had to wait for, listen, I had to, I was like, because I already messed up, I was like, I just gotta take the hit. There's nothing I can do. - Oh yeah, you don't like
the excuse thing, though. - Yeah, yeah. So I just take the hit. Whatever y'all gonna do, cancel me. Whatever, just do it. All right. I'll bounce. I'll bounce back, I'll bounce back. - But it wasn't even that bad,
like, is it cringey for you? Like you just can't get through with it? - I just feel like you coulda
nipped that in the bud, real. I feel like that take
eight seconds to be like, "Yo, Lupita, my bad." - My bad.
(Ahrii laughs) - I low key might be tweaking. I was dyslexic this morning. I replaced the- I don't know what I did.
I read the caption wrong. I apologize. - [Gilbert] 'Cause they be
like, they're gonna be like, "Yeah, you wanna apologize
'cause you got caught." Nah, you're not gonna hit me with that. - And then you say that. "Maybe, and I want to get my apology out there now 'cause it's light. - [Gilbert] I just, yeah. - And maybe now I get to meet Lupita. - [Gilbert] Yeah. I just- - That's what you be
forgetting, when you do fuck up, I've noticed something. I noticed one thing about social media. - Hey, go ahead and say it. - If you do fuck up, you might as well have that conversation with whoever on the other
side of that thing, right? Because if you ever said
something that offended somebody, it's like, bro, some of these people: one, none that I tweet should
ever bother Gilbert Arenas. He live out here. I live in Georgia. We from two different areas, like we really shouldn't be seeing each other's thoughts that
came out the barbershop. - [Gilbert] Facts. - These is barbershop thoughts. - [Gilbert] Mm-hmm.
- So we really shouldn't read each other's shit unless we at the same barbershop. Everybody in my barbershop
probably saying the same shit. Everything in his barbershop
saying the same shit. The only argument is fucking-
(Iman sighs) - Detail, the details.
- [Iman] Yeah. - How, yeah, did Kobe do better
than Shaq when they split? - Yes. The details. Yeah, it's just the details. Yeah. - And we over here talking about "Is Mike that good without
Scottie and Rodman?" - [Gilbert] Yeah.
- Like that's our argument, that's they argument. But it's like, my nigga, our
shit should never intersect. So when I do see Moz get
offended on the other side, one, I'm knowing bro, we probably got more common ground than the 2 million people that's now commenting in between our shit. - Mm-hmm.
- [Iman] Me and you probably could understand each other way better. So I pissed you off through what everybody said and how this got pushed around. And then it's like, but now I get to talk to Gilbert, if I don't know him, and it's like, let's have a conversation. We have a conversation. We may end up cool. We may end up saying, you know what, "How we can fix this, we'll do something, put together something
for the foundations", blah-blah-blah. But now we could do something because we low key just raised awareness for a problem we didn't even know we had. But everybody don't know how
to come together and do this. - Making something out of nothing. - Yeah, I didn't know
us wearing white gloves was pissing everybody off. Like that's the type of shit. That's the type of shit that'd be the argument though. It be like, "He wore black
gloves to touch the casket?" Like what? That'd be the argument though, like- - But he not built that way. His competition level is good. - But, what I'm saying,
he is built that way if it becomes a one-on-one situation where he can have a conversation 'cause the man can articulate himself. - Oh yeah. Of course, but
he said three, four years. - Yeah, but that's doesn't, no, no, no. The public- - Three, four years later on the Internet. - On the Internet.
- Oh, okay. - Like I know I done messed up, so... - Yeah.
- Well, we suggest Internet, get your Internet rules. - Listen, I was like, "Man, I done bought her book. Lemme go ahead and buy her book. I'm-a go ahead and support." - [Iman] Real talk.
- But the internet, oh nah, you gonna get that like
three, four years later. - Oh, you're gonna
support behind the seats. - Two different people.
- [Gilbert] No, no, no. - Chill Gil and Agent Zero! - Agent Zero still there, right? - He's still there. Now, and here's why: a real apology is though, is really understanding
what you did wrong. Right?
- [Iman] Right. Changing the behavior, and
then never doing it again. And then you can apologize. - Wait! - He basically said,
"You don't mean it yet." - No, like no, if I said it right then I don't mean that shit. I just said it.
- Okay. - But for me to really,
really give you an apology. - You wanna to be authentic. - Yeah, for me to really
give you an apology, I have to change the behavior. - An apology and a sorry don't do it. - Yeah, like I can't do that right now. The guy, I really have
to understand who I am, change my behavior period. Once I change my behavior period, never do it again because, you know what I mean? - Did that take three to four years gas? - Nah, facts. It might take a little
bit long. Who knows? It ain't gonna take three- - Give yourself room. - It ain't gonna take no three months. - You give yourself room, but then if it happened in six months, it's like, "I was quick." - I was, yeah. Yeah, man, you know. I can, come on, like if I
say something right now wild, and then I'm marbling,
"Yeah, I apologize." Y'all know I'm lying. - A hundred percent.
- Not really. A hundred percent. Shout
that out, a hundred percent. - Really.
- Lying, facts. - It depends. - A hundred percent though. - Lying, I'm lying. - I feel that, I feel that. Everybody's talking about
how the league changed. How do you think fans have changed? - Fans?
- Yeah. - They are expecting- they are expecting greatness before the development, right? They're not allowing, fans and media, they're not allowing the build. You're not letting, like you want Michael Jordan, six rings. - Straight up. Immediate.
- You want Magic, five rings. You don't want the beginning of a guy trying to work and
figure out his greatness and tap into his... You want instant, like we're trading young
stars at the age of 24, 25. "Oh yeah, we're done with him." - [Iman] Straight up. - You had him at 19, he's 24. He's about to tap into his greatness. - He's about to prime. - Yeah. This is Jordan, year three. Just because he's played seven years, this is Jordan, year three still. And what ends up
happening is we're moving, we're already moving. We're expecting like, "Oh, we need to win
the championship today. We need to do this." And you're just throwing out the pieces. Just get out, get out, get out, get out. Like, "Ah, he's washed." - Yeah. - I'd always, always would hear that. - It's crazy!
- At 20, at 27? - Yeah.
- Oh, okay. - It's just because they know now, like we got so many
players that can do, like, once they minimize a role, I feel like the roles have been minimized as far as like, just a mid-level player
being able to come in, play a certain amount of minutes. Like they overload their
stars with those minutes. They overload the stars with those shots. So if you don't have a lot
of them in-between players, like I feel like the fans just forgot to be on those players. Like, we was like, "Man,
if we got three stars, shit, fuck the rest of them." And then it got younger to the point where niggas was like, "Oh, if you got asked, you like,
'wait, who's on the team?'" Like the first time I had to do that, I was like, bro, I don't know if it's 'cause I just wasn't on the team for long enough in the beginning of the
season or what happened, but they was... I came with the Nets, they was
telling me about something. I'm like, "Bro, who?" I'm like, "What? Who, who is that?" They like, "Oh yeah, they just pulled him up off the G-League, and they got these guys, they playing great out the G-League. And I was like, "Bro, wait, what?" Like, I'm like, "They in rotation?" - [Gilbert] Yeah, they're rotating. - But it's like instant, like- - [Gilbert] Gotta keep team ready. - Yeah, it was like instant. Like they come in, they got minutes. I'm like, "Are they like
really invested in them or...", and then the next year,
the whole team changed. - [Gilbert] Yep.
- Don't see none of them. And it's crazy, 'cause I'm like, I wonder what is damn
near like to be a fan now, like, to sit there and say, "Do I like...", "Which version do you like better?" - And I think that's why
fans are stuck in eras. Right? They're stuck in eras they
wanna say is better basketball. They want, I think once we started like making stats... When we started making up new stats, and then we started saying, "Oh, these stats aren't important." "This ain't a real stat." "Oh, he average a triple double." "Oh, he was, you know, padding his stats." Once that started happening,
the game went down. You're telling me a guy who hasn't done something in 40, 30, 40 years, he's pad statting. No one, no other player
could have done this. When he does it, "Ah, he just...he's going, he's hustling. He's going to get his rebounds." - So?
- [Gilbert] He's hustling to go and get his rebounds. "Oh, look, he has a layup, but he's giving it right
here for a easy assist." What the fuck did Magic Johnson do? You think that the assist leader wasn't trying to be the assist leader? You think he had a wide open layup? He'd rather pass it to this three for this guy to hit a shot. Like he got 15,000 for a reason. Magic Johnson was making- That's not padding your stats. It's fucking basketball. - [Iman] Straight up. - So, once they made that
seem like it was easy to do, what does fans- fans don't look at the game the same. - I swear to God I hate
when fans don't see what is being done. I be like, "Don't you
see what they're doing?" Like, "Why didn't you just-". It'd be like, "Bro, you don't, you not watching the game? You not watching the game? Like none of y'all know
this nigga got five fouls? - It's perspective. It's also perspective. - They're listening. They're listening. They're listening to someone who's never played the game. They never played the- like, watching the game
and you're an analyst and you're watching it, and you've been watching it for years. That's what's up. That's cool. I like it, I love it. - [Iman] That's what's up. - But if you never, and it's easy for you to be like, "Oh yeah,
they had a two for one." That's easy. Listen, that sounds cute. - [Iman] Really does. - But unless you're in
it, and you've played it, you've been through those situations, you really don't know what you're... you really don't know what it is. Right? That's the player. So, sometimes, when you say something, when they say something it's like, "What are y'all talking about?" - Real talk. - Like what are y'all talking about? - They'll be like, "Nah,
that's a terrible shot. Like what is he doing right there? I'm not sure why you would, you would never shoot a shot like that." And it'll take like a
Reggie Miller to be like, "I don't see a problem with the shot." Be like, that's his role. That's what he does.
- [Gilbert] Mm-hmm. - That's what he's supposed to do. He's not in the game to do anything else. He shoots that shot. Now this man cannot cheat that cut. - [Gilbert] Yep. - Yeah, but that's perspective, right?. Fans don't see the game from... - [Gilbert] The players. - Like really, not just a
player, but like eye level. Most fans don't know what that's like to see like, the height
difference, the speed. - Yeah, they don't look
at it from how we see it. - Change of speed too. - Like a whole look to them. It's like, "Can't you
see nobody right there?" It's like, nah. To us we see arms, legs, if people could dunk, he could fly. - We got fast twitch
muscles, so that look open until I decide to throw it. They be like, "Ha-ha, nice try." - That's really crazy. - Somebody like, you
think of somebody like, you be like, "Bro, you could just get up on, like no you can't just get up on him. Like I can't get any closer
to him, or he's gonna go. Like you saw the screen coming. No I didn't, 'cause if I turn my head, he's gonna turn it down. - [Gilbert] Yes.
- And he's gonna go that way. I'm-a look crazy and I'm
still gonna hit the screen. - You get a bop, and you
end up with this nigga... - Real talk. - I got a guy hit with a Jamal Crawford. - Real talk. It's gonna be duh-duh-duh. So yeah, stay y'all ass at home. - But that comes from the media too. Like, you know what I mean? You have guys who haven't played the game or who's, they're outdated. - [Iman] That, too. - Right? Some guys are just outdated. Like this is just not their game anymore. This is a new game. - Straight up.
- Right? - Speaking new terms.
- [Iman] Straight up. - And you know, you got these guys saying, "Oh, this is a horrible shot." Yeah, back then. Back then when y'all was shooting, you know, two threes, 10 threes a game. Yeah, now it's 40 threes, so someone gotta take them. Don't know, I mean- - If you don't get enough of 'em up, you can't win this game. - [Gilbert] Yeah. - You just not gonna win this game. - And these, you know, some of the. - That's what's scary! That's what's scary
about the the new game. It's like, it's tough
to get something like, like Miami, watching Miami try and
compete with Denver. If you can't respond to that
three ball just for two games, like, it'll kill you. Like your whole shit will be robbed from you all because y'all
didn't shoot it well from three. So it's like I get what you're saying when it's like, bro, maybe back then. - Yeah, that's even, even- - Whether it's a bad shot or not, it's a better attempt that'll win now. Might as well get them up. - I said it, I said Miami, Boston. Right, I said these are D-league teams. They, they, they terrible. - [Iman] Yeah. - And I don't want y'all to, I don't want y'all to be lied to, thinking this team is good. They're shit. They are. You got, you got, let's just, like when I said, I said you got Jimmy and Bam, right? And Ben, you have Vincent. He ain't gonna start, he
ain't gonna start nowhere. - No, he ain't gonna start nowhere, but he can play well. - Cool, but he's not gonna start on any other team. - Gotcha.
- [Gilbert] Right? - Now, you have Caleb, he not gonna start on any other team. - [Iman] Gotcha. - Right, then you got Max, he ain't gonna start on any other team. Now you want them to compete with damn near a all lottery team that's playing harder. - I ain't gonna lie,
Jokic is not a lottery. - [Gilbert] That's
bigger. Oh no, he's not. - He's actually like low on the totem pole when you go back to that. - Back then, but now he's a two-time MVP. - [Iman] Oh no, he definitely an MVP. - But now, he's a two-time MVP. - He MVP, but I ain't dropped violations, you know what I mean? You been coming with that suit,
and your little briefcase. I see what you got going. - But that's what I'm saying, so you're talking about a group that's, they have all the talent, and they play hard and harder. - [Iman] They play hard as fuck. - So, how are you, what are you guys technically gonna do to keep up and then you coming off the bench with... - Like KCP and Bruce. I keep saying Bruce Bowen. - Like from Florida?
- Uh-huh, by the way. I told you Bruce, I
keep saying Bruce Bowen. - Bruce Brown. - Yeah, Bruce Brown. - Now, this is what I'm saying. Bruce Brown come off the bench. If he was on that team, he'd be starting. - [Iman] A hundred percent. - How you supposed to
beat the dude to come up, they bench is better than y'all starters. - Yeah, I never thought
about it like that. - But, what's-his-name was hurt. What's-his-name was hurt. Tyler was hurt. - Yeah.
- [Ahrii] Yeah. - Vic hurt. - Yeah.
- [Gilbert] Yeah. So, the guys you have that
will help you is not there. - So, you didn't like Kyle Lowry? - No, I love Kyle Lowry, but they put my man on the bench. - They did. - Kyle was playing. - But he was playing, but
they had him on the bench. - Kyle was playing. - Yeah, he was playing though. He was definitely playing. - But still, you're trying to tell... You trying to tell me Kyle need to be chasing Jamal Murray, just kick you off the game. Hell, no, he's gonna put
that backup point guard out there to chase him around, and Kyle gotta come in again, unless Kyle gonna chase that man, you not finna chase that man. - But that's that problem. - Not that light-skinned man. - But that's, you see how lopsided it was. - That's another light-skinned man, boy. I don't know what they doing with these light-skinned niggas. - These niggas mad, these
niggas are getting dangerous. - But that's why- But that's why I was publicly
saying, they're that trash. Like I need y'all to get it in your mind. Stop trying to pretend
that they have a chance. They don't have no chance. Just get it, I want to tell you the truth. - Bro, the playoffs ain't
chance, it's matchups. - [Gilbert] And they, obviously. - They matching up with people. - They had Deandre
Jordan on the other side. They could have used it on this side. - I didn't get why they
ain't using that though? - Because they didn't need him. Jeff Green, y'all could
have used him, Miami. They don't need him. that's how lopsided this is. They have eight people on the team that'd be playing big winners for y'all. - [Iman] Straight up, straight up. - Good luck, good luck. - When you think about it like that, yeah, that's pretty bad. Yeah, they could have just, yeah they could have just gave them Dre. - But that's why I said
that, you know Jimmy Butler, you know Jimmy has to really like, really go into the summer
like we won, y'all. Like, we won. Like listen, I get it, we lost, we won. What we did was incredible. - Without nothing, now I know
who y'all riding, we riding, - We made a Thanksgiving
dinner on 20 bucks. We fed a whole village. We're, we should be proud of ourselves. We shouldn't be looking at like, "Oh, man we didn't, we
didn't execute the goal." No, no, no, no, no. Stop, y'all did, shut up. - [Iman] No, no, they should
have got some game in. No, no. They should not have gotten swept. - Huh? NBA helped that. For real. They should have got swept. - No, they laid down a little bit. - [Gilbert] Who? - Jimmy ran out of gas
and they laid down though. - No, no, no, but... - They wanted that to be over. - Jimmy was go- - They wanted it to be over. - Nah, man, Udonis
wanted to whoop some ass. - Listen.
- Straight up. I could tell. I bet you a thousand dollars that nigga was in that
motherfucking locker room, finna beat somebody ass for the lay-down. On bro! - Listen, they got they
ass whooped every... from first, second, third. - I'm saying they... every other round, they
looked at everybody in the eye like "Fuck you." They look like, "Man,
we tired" against them. - [Gilbert] They look like, "Hey." - You're right. - They good, they look good.
- [Iman] So? So? - Yeah, disciplined,
too. Oh, but that's... - So? Altitude bad, so? - Hey, I get it. - So you here now, you
should have lost last round so we can see a four, two Finals. Straight up. - Boston? - Whoever gonna come in here and not look at them like, "Oh?" - [Gilbert] Yeah.
- You ain't beat Boston to come in here and look at
these people like, "Oh?", like you knew... - Oh you're talking
about they was just shy. - I don't, he said it like they was shy. He said they looked over there, like, "Wow, these niggas is really good." - They over there looking
at the Avengers, damn near. That's why that first game, zero. - I don't feel like that. I feel like Jimmy, I watched Jimmy run out of gas a little bit. I feel like he, after
he lost the first two, he was sort of looking like, "Ah?" - He didn't, he, he didn't have nothing. There was nothing he can do. - It was more he could do. - I'm-a tell you why. - I know Jimmy, it was
more he could do always. - You sticking, you
sticking, Murray, right? - Yeah. - Right, you sticking the best player. Pick and roll. - Oh no, they did the right, they did exactly what they supposed to do. He was dead. - Pick and roll. Now you gotta switch on the
joker, beat his body up. (Gilbert air punches) - Now let's see you shoot that three. - Now you come on and shoot. Fourth quarter, he's
sitting there like, "Ah!" - Trust me, I used to scream
for Bron all the time. - Yeah, yeah. - Go on ahead Steph. You trying to hide? From Kyrie, you trying to hide? 'Cause it's Steph, go guard him. They ain't gonna run no play for me. Who was your role model as a kid? (Gilbert laughing) I used to go, "Man, Steph
went like, 'I'm like, you know that nigga used to try and hide behind me on the ball screen. Naw, man, you and Kyrie
finna go sword fighting over there, get that shit away from me. Handle your motherfucking
business, nigga. Go ahead. Role models as a kid. - Penny Hardaway. So it was Magic, and then Penny Hardaway. - [Iman] Solid.
- Love Penny, man, like... - Me too. I was a Penny guy. - That's 20. I was in high
school my first year I was 20. I was, I was 25. So I was 25 in high school
because of Penny in Memphis. And then when Kobe came,
you know the high school, you know what I mean? It was something about that, you know, high school, L.A., I remember when I heard like he's at Venice Beach. - Oh, you went and see him? - Oh no. So I heard he
was at Venice Beach. He broke his hand. - At Venice Beach? - Yeah, he broke his hand at Venice Beach. - Goddamn, Kobe. - And then I went down there,
playing, broke my hand. - No way. - I'm like, Kobe, I'm going to the league. I swear to God that was my... - I'm destined. - I broke my hand and
thought I was destined. - Real talk. - Going to the league, guaranteed. - Like Kobe, same hand.
That's all I'm saying. - It was your shooting hand?
- Yeah. Broke my hand at Venice Beach like Kobe. The next day. - [Iman] That's crazy.
- I'm bragging. - [Iman] Oh, it happened the next day. - The next day, broke the hand. "What's happening, y'all", Kobe 2.0. - [Iman] That's crazy.
- Grew a little fro. - He said, 2.0. - You know, in high school,
man we trying to do... - You told Kobe? Did you ever tell Kobe? - Nah, I never told him.
- Oh, my lord. - I had the little bitty fro
in high school like Kobe. - That's crazy. Nigga broke his hand
and thought he was going to the league for it.
(Gilbert laughs) - Like, yeah, I broke my shit just like this nigga, last night. - Just off that, just off that. - He broke his last night, broke my shit. - What are the chances, nigga? Taking it back to childhood, being in L.A., give me the experience that helped you the most. - Failing, right? I don't, you know what, I can't even say I
failed my freshman year. I was told exactly the right words that I needed to help me go forward, and a coach by the name of
Al Bennett from Birmingham. It's easy to say, "Oh, you told an NBA player that?" Nah, I wasn't, I wasn't an NBA player
when he told me that. - [Iman] Mm-hmm.
- I was exactly what he said. You'll never make this varsity team. - What? - The varsity team at the time, right? You had point guard Faheem,
you had David Redmond, dude named Kizzy, dude
named Ellis Richardson who tried to go straight
outta high school. I mean these were all super-superstars. - [Iman] Right. - And it's like they were
like Sierra Canyon, right? - [Iman] Copy, copy, copy. - You know what I mean? So I'm just... - And they had been playing
together and everything. - Yeah, so they was dominant. Like it was no reason
that I was at this school. But you know, I ran track, you know, I made the JV team. So I'm like, "Yeah, so what do I gotta do to make the varsity team, you know, after the season?" And he's looking at me like, "Yeah, nah, you'll never make this varsity team." And just like, I cried. Like never, you know, like
even when I'm a senior, never? You know what I mean? Like maybe you thought
when he said, "Never", like even when I'm a senior? - Right, and he just meant that team. - And then like, all right, nah. So I was tr- Man, I, there ain't no summer, there ain't no nothing. I don't wanna play no
AAU basketball no more. I'm just like, "All
right, every day, all day. Don't go home, Adult League. Dad, I need $25 to get
into this adult league. I need to pay my fee." I'm on every Adult League
team and I'm just playing. Getting better. - But you was growing up
- Yep. - Eric, coach by the name of Eric Brown, he's at Utah State
right now. He's seen me. He is like, "Yo, you should
come to our tryouts at Grant." And I lived across the street from Grant, but it's "Ah, that's Grant", right? So I went out tryouts. I thought it was JV tryouts, it was varsity tryouts. He said, "Yeah, you the
point guard here, come on." And I'm like, "Nah, nah,
man, I been training. I gotta tell, I gotta show that coach. I gotta show that coach. I'm gonna make that in four years. I'm gonna be there on
that team as a senior." He's like, "You can start on our team now and you can play against
him and show him." - Even better.
(Ahrii laughs) - Right, that sounds better.
- [Iman] Straight up. - Okay, talk to my dad, talk to my dad. He gotta-
- [Iman] transfer you out. - Yeah, transfer me out across the street. - Right, 'cause it made sense, like, shit, I live across the street. - And I was, man, listen, the coach, I remember on my first
game, it was pre-season. I went to the pre-season
or summer league game. Summer league game. I'm playing a dude named Isaiah Thomas who went to Van Nuys
and had 20 at the half. Coach took me off and said,
"You gonna be NBA player." Like, "Yeah, I know, I know." I'm cool. "Hey, I need to get back to the game. I'm having fun. Shit, I'm scoring, I'm having fun on this little varsity thing, shit. He was like, "No, no, no, no, no. Forget the game. You gonna really be NBA
player. We need you. You know, if you really
wanna take it serious." "All right, yeah, coach. Cool." Like cool, that sounds, you know, that sounds amazing, I'm an NBA player. I done been to camps before. I done seen a dude named Carlos Boozer. - Tip top.
- Right? All of 6'9", 220, I- Listen, I know the NBA
player that looks like that, and usually, that ain't it. - He ain't saying that right away. - He opened up the gym
Saturday, Sunday for me. He opened the gym at six
o'clock in the morning. Lunchtime, nutrition. I was in the gym. We, I didn't know nothing
really about basketball. Well I just get him a tape, and I said I need to
learn how to do this move. It'd be a step back. Right? Penny Hardaway did some spin. Kenny Anderson, D Brown, like I need to, can you show me how to do this? And I got a little Jewish, little Jewish coach, don't know nothing. Just this is how we gonna do it, right? Come in lunch. You need to do a hundred of those before you know you
get to your next class. And then that's... - He just taught you how to practice. - Just taught me how to practice. - That's insane. - Open the gym. Come in,
come in here at lunchtime. You don't need to be out
there. Come in lunchtime. - And that's why you- - Saturday, Sunday, come. - That was your gym, right? And this, you like, shit. So you had 24 hour fitness? - Yeah. - All day, anytime I called,
he opened up that gym. - People don't know this. You remember what did I called you when I went to Tech and got the card, the access card to go in?
- Mm-hmm. - Dawg, I've called my brother. - You're a kid in the city. - I thought, I'm like, "Bro, I could come up
here whenever I want." Like I'm talking to him, like hearing the echo of
the fucking arena and shit. But I'm like, "Bro, ain't nobody in here. Like they don't even be in here." I'm like, "I got key to the laundry." I'm like, "They paying
for laundry, I'm washing. I told coach I'll wash the
jerseys. I don't give a fuck. I be talking to the little managers, telling them like, shit,
I'll wash that shit. Just leave that shit down. I need to do my clothes. I got class." I'm like, "I'm gonna be shooting here." You know what I'm saying? Like if it was some girls, I'll be like, "I don't care. I'll just tell y'all to,
you know what I'm saying? Knock, or some shit, like... - Like I'll open it for y'all. - You feel me? I'm like,
"I don't care, bro." I'm like, "Dad, they'll
be in here chilling, probably playing the game
and shit while I'm shooting." I'm like half the time I ain't doing shit. I like being in here 'cause it's free. - Right. - Y'all got Gatorade,
well, we got Powerade. I'm like "It's Powerade all in here. You'd give that to a
fucking 18-year-old, dawg. He don't love basketball. You gonna find out right there." - And that's what they don't do. - Like you gonna find out, right? Give me 24 hour access to a gym and see how much I use that bitch. You gonna have to tell me
when to get out that bitch. Like "Hey, bro." And that's, and I don't think, I think that's the disadvantage that some of these kids have, right? If I'm a college coach,
high school coach, NBA. Right, well, NBA we have all access, but college, high school, my players have access to that gym. On bro, to keep them outta trouble. - Trouble too, when they, like when they having
problems at the crib, right? They don't want to be at home. - [Ahrii] Get a hundred, get a hundred. - Come on, here. I got the gym open. Come get a hundred, get 200. Right?
- Get 150 up, real quick. That take 30 minutes. - You can't sleep at night. Hey coach, can you open the gym? Bam. I have cold, like high school. I'm gonna have cold locks. Hit the lock. Boom gon' on in. - Straight up. Put the balls
up, make sure, woo woo. I'm gonna put a little Ring camera or some shit, so I can watch my players. I'll be able to, "Hey
man, tuck that elbow.' - Tuck that elbow. Yes. - Like why not? - But coaches don't look like- Like even, look, high
school coaches, right? Oh we can't practice after. You can't practice as a team. - [Iman] Real talk.
- Six players ain't a team. - [Iman] Real talk. If they want to get- - Three on three, two on two, one on one with some rebounds lifted, that ain't a team. - [Iman] Real talk.
- So, L.A. Unified, they can't get you for that. And first of all, who the fuck at L.A. Unified is coming to your sorry ass school to see if you in there late night? Nobody. I don't know what y'all thinking. Y'all thinking, y'all balling like Sierra Canyon or something. Man, if y'all don't get y'all sorry asses in that gym all hours of the night. - I ain't gonna lie. My high school coaches, they, especially when they realized we wanted, we wanted in like Al used to
have to do all type of shit. Give me the keys. I go, but he knew. He was like, "Bro, I'm not
gonna keep them outta there." They going like Lamont was
finding ways to sneak us in. He was lifting the garage door to the field house all the time. - [Gilbert] Yeah. - Yeah, he was getting us in.
- Breaking laws. - Yeah, committing crimes
are gonna get better. - [Iman] Bro, I swear. - I'm in here just trying to
get some jumpers regardless. - [Iman] Real talk. Don't got nothing but a
basketball, and some shoes bro. Niggas is wearing the
same outfit in the car, stinking the car up like, it is crazy. When you first came to the NBA, who kind of taught you the ropes? Who was your big homie? - At first I was just that. - Everybody had the whole deal. - I was Dennis the Menace. Right, I wasn't playing. I got all this energy, right. Like y'all sorry, I'm gonna
let y'all know y'all, sorry. So you know rookie hazing? - [Iman] Yeah.
- Oh, I got all that. Oh, oh, ooh, ooh. - It was bad.
- He was the target. - Oh, I was- - Who with you? You had Twon.. - Antwon, Twon was cool. Larry cool. I had Chris Mills, I had Danny Fortson, I had Bobby Sura, Eric,
Dan, Peter and all. I mean, so I had a nice group of... You keep playing Rook, we gonna keep putting you to shit. - Right, bro. And I was in like, shit, this is my game right here, bro. What we got? - [Iman] Oh, bro, I got you. - This my game right here. - Kick the ball into
the stands, all of that. - Uh-huh. And then I'm like, "I'm not going up there. What y'all going to do? Beat me up, cool? I need some, I need to run
off some of this energy today. Let's go and take a ass whooping, ass whooping number 25. Like I was that dude. - You just keep building it. - Yeah, I'm just keep, listen, like I, hey, listen, don't start losing. Oh, here we go again, coach. "Bad News Bears". We got
the "Bad News Bears". Don't put, hey coach, don't put him in. He about to get toasted. Like I was that dude. - No way. - [Gilbert] Oh yeah, you about, oh you got, you got McGrady? Yeah. He about to give you a quick 15. What? I'm gonna keep your seat ready, boy. I'm doing all that. I just, because I needed some. I'm so glad, I'm so glad I'm younger than this nigga, man. - I needed something bro.
I didn't have nothing. Think about it, - No, wait a minute, coach never just looked at you when you was talking all that shit. Like, "You know what, you do something." - I was hoping he did that. - Oh, you was just like,
you was leading the ball. - Clearly. - Yeah. I'm the dude. Like I can't, I ain't practicing, right? So I can't get that energy out. I'm not playing. I'm not even lay up line. Like I'm mad that I can't lay up line. Like damn man, y'all don't
even let me lay up line, show I got like, you know,
I go over there dunk. - Oh you ain't had on your shit under? - No. Like I'm mad, listen, I'm not, look, I don't care about the game. I came to do my layups. - That's crazy. - If I can't do no layup, how
the girls supposed to know? - They can't even go, no. - How the girls supposed
to see if you know, like, "Ah!" boy got a little figure roll? - He could play for the NBA. - You know what I mean? Like, you know, before the game somebody
done like, "Ooh-ooh" and they was like,
"Shawty, how you doing?" Hey, how you doing, lady? - Real talk. - Nah, I can't do that. So like when, when I
start, like when I start getting like, like I need
to take this serious. It was Mark Jackson from Philly, Big Mark. And he was like, "Man, listen, I played 25 games, the
last 25 games of the year, that's all I played. I got 25 million." He said, "Listen, when they call your name, which they gonna call it at some point, everybody name get called, be ready." So he's like, "So let's
take this shit seriously." He said, "I'm trying to get back, I need to get back in shape and get ready when they call my name." 'Cause he ended up coming from a cabin. So we used to, six o'clock in the morning, he'd pick me up, go to the gym, we playing full court one-on-one. Half court, one on one. - He like, "Yeah, you got all that energy. Let me get better." - Right, so we sitting there, six o'clock, we playing for, man, four, five hours just going back and forth,
understanding like... 'cause he was, he think he a point guard. So he ain't sitting there trying to bully me. But he, you know, so we sitting here and I'm playing D using my speed. Then we got half court and then, like that summer it was Mullen. Chris Mullen really
showed me how to be a pro. Like the, yeah, what you
spending five hours in here for? - [Iman] Right.
- Right. Like get to what you're trying to do. Like go hard. Like you, you doing five hours of like... - Nonchalant. - 50%, you know what I mean? An hour or two, hard, everything hard. - A hundred percent. - And then I started really understanding and he was like, "Play me, one on one." - [Iman] All right. - I'm about to cook the fuck out you. Oh, shit.
(Gilbert stammers) - Man. And he using two dribbles. (Gilbert stammers)
- Spike it. Oh okay. White boy got a little hands. All right, and then he's just like old man just sitting there poking, picking, ripping. - Just understanding. - And then he was like- - You probably didn't realize
he know your whole game. - Yep, and he was like, you
gotta understand angles. - [Iman] He been watching you. - You gotta understand this, right? - He been watching you real good? - And he's like, your telltale signs. Right, "I know when you're about to step back, I know when
you're about to take off." - [Iman] Yeah. - And then he's like teaching me that. - [Iman] Yeah. - And then that was like a real guy who scored buckets... - [Iman] Straight up.
- ...was teaching me how to be a bucket getter. - Yeah. Did he never had you focus on no defensive shit, ever? - No, because back then,
I did play defense. - Oh, you was. Yeah, you was younger. - Yeah, I played def, yeah. Picking up full courts, shit like that. Oh, you was on the same shot zone. That's why the nigga laughed
at me when I first came, I said, yeah, don't wanna
pick up a full court? - Pick up full, listen, we were stopping all that pickup shit. Before you came in, there
was picking up full court They used to try that. We gonna press like college,
man, gimme the ball. In fact just go. Come on Damon Stoudamire. (Gilbert evoking engine revving) - [Iman] Real talk. Hell of a score so you feel. - Bad dam. Hey Damon was
like, yo, hey come on. We can't press. We can't press him. He's too fast doing too fast. Let's just bring it back
to half court. Real talk. And then Jamal Tinsley, man, Jamal Tinsley was
making people look stupid. You know he ain't fast. - Oh no. He just gonna mix you up. - Just boom, I throw between legs. Like he just sitting this calm, you be sitting there and
he just throw between legs, grab it back, fake it. He's sitting there like... - [Iman] Real talk. He just threw off your rhythm at all time. You never really knew what he was, Where the fuck he going on the floor? Him, who else was like that? Nick Van Exel. I'm like, what
angles is this nigga playing? They're playing in their own, they got, they in their own world. - I'm like, what the fuck is
that angle that he's doing bro? Like if you ever watch it. Yeah. It's like you watch Nick Van Exel, it's like some of the moves he did, like, "Bro, what the fuck is you on?" - [Gilbert] Oh yeah. - What the fuck is you on? - As I said, but you wouldn't understand
that we didn't understand it until we got there and we started looking. - [Iman] Yeah. - And then now, now
I'm watching everybody. I'm trying to, now I'm
processing, okay, Jason Kidd. - If I could go back and say
a statement that I've never, I've never really been asked this, but if I had to guard somebody, the scariest person that would either be God Shammgod or Nick Van Exel. Literally because I think
because I've seen Shammgod, I've played against Kyrie now, I've seen that style. I haven't, like Nick Van Exel
is a little bit different. It's like a fucking Jamal
Crawford man of Chernobyl. - Yeah. Yeah. It's a mix. - It's like sick. Like when you watch some of
the he was doing, it's like, bro, why was you putting that together? - [Gilbert] Yep.
- What made you do that? Like what made you feel like... 'cause I'm like, some of
these moves that he's doing, I'm like, "Bro, that don't even, like, that's not even on the highlight reel." It's just some that I just seen on some random shit on
some NBA Classic shit. Like you gotta watch one of
the classic games or something, but it's like, "Bro, this
shit don't get talked about." But it's a move or a ball fake to a pass that's like, "Bro, that don't exist." Nobody's teaching that. - I'd be looking at someone that's like... you're looking at it like
I look at white chocolate. He'll do like a up fast here, pass here to go back here
and be like, wait, what? - It's like nobody's doing that. - Like why this first to that to that? - It's like what are you faking or what did you throw at first that now you are throwing
that as a ball fake? - Yep, because it was. - It was so many before that. - And when you start
asking these questions, and you hear the person
say, you be like... - Real talk. I can't wait to get Jay Will, can we write J will down white chocolate. - Like you'll be sitting
there like wait, wait what? Yeah. It's like, yeah, when I skip up it makes the guy go up. So when I fake it hid,
his momentum goes down. - He can't get that. - He can't get that pass now. And I'm like. - So you made sure. - So I'm trying to now, now now show me. And I'm like, okay here and then ah. - It works. - Ah. And that was the same
thing with like bone collector. Right. And I was like, yo, how, how do you keep throwing it
between people legs and how do you keep getting people
with the same move? He said because what happened
is I lull 'em asleep, boom boom boom. And then when they get into
like that little rhythm, when I see they they
rhythm, I'll come out of it. And when I go for you to catch me, you have to cross your foot. If you try to just that, that big in a. - Moment. In moment I see it. - I snap if that big slide you try to big slide me, I'm gone. Yeah. It fall. Right. So if I see that
okay, he kept up with me. The only reason he kept with
me is 'cause he crossed over. Once he crossed over snatch back Dropped. - Real tough. - Right. And I said, so I'm
looking at, I'm just hip. I just know mentally boom, if
I go and go and you're there, that's the rule. Lay up. If you go and you stick
with me, snatch, snatch. - This is rule. - And it's, it's just
watching people just perfect. - Something. That's
literally how I play defense. People think people think
I'm doing something special. I'm doing what he just said. Ah, so if I cross my
foot, that's what he does. What do you do if I power
slide with a dig hand, what do you do? So that's my first move to
think I'm gonna do that. And if you got, if you dare
let me touch that rock, I'm be like, oh you ain't, you ain't work hard enough
this summer. You not, you can't do it. I'm about
to your whole game up. Cuz that was the only
move I was worried about. Like I already got your whole repertoire. Everything else everybody does, there's always something that
people do that's special. And when you could figure
out what their specialty, if you take away somebody's
special move, like, I don't know what it is, but the NBA player's mind gets very small. Very small. Like if you take
away something that they, like if you ever was to take
away Kobe's fade away where he like Mike can't get to his
fade away. He don't know why. He just can't make one on you. His mind will start to change. You'll watch his confidence get different. They not looking at you the
same when they going at you or they overly trying to kill you. Like Yeah it's that now
it's just me. Like they, they can't even, they
team don't matter no more. It's just you like, you
just an issue for them. Like anytime you could
do that, it's a win. But you literally have to near become a fan of
a motherfucker, like- - And and that's the, that's the thing. Like I'll- you'll stop me. - You feel like you a fan. - You would stop me and I
have to ask you questions. Hey man, what you doing? What was you looking at? Real talk like what was
you looking at? Like what? Like. - And a nigga be such a fan, the nigga be like, oh every time you do this
you show the ball right here. And the like here be like thanks
like that ain't the end of the conversation. Give come back. You want my number, bro. He was Nah. - Nah, but for real though. For you to be- I think people are so scared
and they feel like they're losing something. Like,
like if you stop me, what was I showing you? - Yeah. - Yeah. I need to know so I can fix it. - Real talk. - And then when you stop me the next time, what did you see then? Right. So I can fix it. How do I supposed to get better
if I don't ask the question? Real talk. - Sometimes though I, I be thinking about it in the
terms of like for somebody that I gotta deal with. If I don't get to shoot on the
other side I probably ain't gonna tell him my secrets.
Like, it's a pride angle. - You will. - I aint telling a nigga shit. - We say it, we say it but we end up doing it. - Because in a natural
conversation though. Yeah It ain't that big a deal. You like, oh you kept showing it like yeah. - And and then now I clean it up. Now he gonna find another way to stop me. - Real talk. - 'Cause I'm gonna study that
too. Yeah that makes sense. It just, y'all could have gave me more
shots to go back at this. Who are the best trash talkers you played against in the league? - Gary Peyton, Sam Castell, Big Mark Jackson from Philly. Kevin Garnett. But, listen, K.G. is a funny one 'cause most of his
conversation is to himself. - And to that's the
players and to the players. People don't understand this about K.G. I be telling a lot of people this, he talks shit within rhythm. Like it's within rhythm as
he's running you bump him. Bitch ass nigga. - Yeah, yeah, yeah. - You feel me? Like it's
not personal at all. It's in tandem with an action. Real talk. But it's not. You know what I'm saying? Like Gil go buy you and lay it up. Yeah, that nigga sweet. Yeah. It's not, he really
don't care who that was. He just trying to hype his teammate up. - Right, right. - And then if you got a problem
he uses that to show you how hard he gonna ride for his
teammate or if you run up down on his teammate he'll just jump
into it to let you know No we not doing that. Cause he really just want his
teammate to stay in his zone. Yep. He like I can handle
this and keep hooping. Y'all can't handle it. It's all me. I'm taking everything over.
But he's smart as hell. He, he shows the crowd afterward. He be like doing this and. - Hell that means you in your head. - Like yeah I'm in your head
and you think you got me. But all I got was head up
against the, the support Like that for me was low
key. That was scary though. Cause I'm like why is he doing, I used to think he was crazy
until I got out there and realized bro he hasn't said
nothing but he's told Rondo everywhere the ball screen is coming, Rondo has now become more,
he's stabbing at the ball. Just, I'm like bro stop stabbing
at this while I'm trying to, but I'm steady thinking
why he's so aggressive. Then I went by him a couple
times. K.G. stepped right up. Everybody just caved in quick as. So I kick it out back off and
just trying to be a good guard and. But I'm steady thinking like
bro why they so aggressive with me every time and then I
start paying attention. What he doing? - You good. You clear, you
clear little by himself. Yep. Little by himself. They ain't playing with him.
They ain't playing with him. Little ain't on. Nah they shooter. Shooter a weak side too. Shoot a weak side. That's a
far past something Right here. Right here Lord. Right here Lord. Hey, hey, hey what you doing over? You know what. - I'm saying? But it's like throughout
the game I'm realizing this controlling the. - Game, controlling the defense. - He is controlling the out
the game. And then like I said, the little stuff when you roll
past him or you cut him off, Hey don't cut past me. But even that, it's like you now know exactly
where he is on the floor. And I only realized that
when I got with Marcus Camby, Marcus Camby became an
extent. People was like yo, you was just guard. I'm like bro, you don't understand what it's
like having Marcus Camby and KT tell me everything. Like I it's like eyes in the
back of your head like you by yourself or it's an iso like
oh you think you finna Yeah. Oh no, I'm jumping your hand. Yeah, I'm jumping your
hand now it's over with. Figure it out with your
left. Figure it out. Tie your hand behind your
back and figure it out my. Unless you could reverse
this pitch with your left and poking on me. You not scoring today. Like you get what I'm saying? But I know this cause they
telling me it's a clear out like when you have somebody
that has conversation and. - See and okay so now we got
this question right or the conversation. So I'm waiting for the big
to tell you it's clear out. - Oh a hundred percent. - So when I'm going, oh I said
you on iso, you're on iso. Right. And I'm on the side now
because I'm on the side you naturally think ISO baseline. Yep. Right. So because he's gonna think baseline, he's gonna over jump the
baseline and he gonna, so what I'm gonna do is I'm
gonna put it between my legs and like I'm going to hard crossing
and just in and out go right up the middle. - Yeah Because now he not, he just getting me to jump
aside and now he really is getting a straight line. - Yeah. So I'm just waiting everybody. - You just waiting on me to jump. - I'm just waiting for to, I'm just waiting for it like keywords. - Little do he know Coach
Al we ain't going for that. We ain't going for that. Hit. - That hard. Boom. - I'm losing the sideline
defender and a baseline defender. He will be turning that over
left-hand or he won't be scoring today. We ain't gonna let him step
off into that show unless he could do that. I hated a that could stop they
route and do that little lou will. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Lou Little Lou will rocker shot. it. Yeah he can, he can. But I'm telling you he wasn't
gonna do the go the in and out me and just go make Oh no. - You be Tony. - Parker did to me that one time. - I get it because before I, he. - Was short. I started,
he did two of them. - I started before we get
to the free throw line. So my move is starting before
I get below the free throw line. So you play me straight up. - Right. And you timing and you timing. - Time. Right. So I'm timing, I'm looking at everything. I'm, I'm looking at it. So I don't pay attention to
the guy who's guarding me. I'm paying attention to the back line. Next what is the back line
doing? Are they jumpers? Do they take charges?
Which is why you, which is. - Why you usually jab to see. - What they so mine, I'm
usually, you know, in and out. Like I'm never really crossing. But. - It's really to probing.
It's really to see what not, what is they doing. - Yep. All I'm doing is just sitting here. That's the help. All right. Okay. And then I'll like be bye-bye boom. Oh back man left. - Didn't video game. Yeah. Huh. That's kinda like the video game. But. - That really man. - Stab he play around. I've
always wondered that though. He don't really play around now that I, now that he say that, it makes sense. He never really played. He played with a good square. Yeah, it's like this. But you, you don't realize. It's like he said though, it makes sense now that you
say that he's going to his ISO early. So he's already getting, you don't realize you're
in a ISO yet. Yeah. You just think he doing. Yeah. You thinking he doing
the video game. But he, now that you say that this
really walks down and squares his body to where you ha you
ha you can't jump. Mm. - Yeah, you can't jump. - Yet. And if you make a mistake, I got too much real estate to
literally put you on my hip. I can go here, but it's what happened. It. Oh, okay. Keep keep the cameras rolling. - Telemundo. - Don't worry man. My. - Like, like, like if you,
if you was guarding me right, I'm never gonna be stationed
because I can't let you get close because now you get to
control my movement. Exactly. So if I came down and I'm
sitting there trying to call the offense and then you get
into me, my momentum's gone. You never. - Let that connect. - You. Yeah. That's why you now you're
strong enough to like keep me where I'm going. So I'll
already start my bounce coming. - Keep the. - Sitting. Yeah. I'm starting to come like
so now I'm reading like I'm looking at the arms. All right. So if I try to cross over me, he got that. Yeah. Right. So I can't do that move. Right. So now it's just trying to make you move, you shift your feet. Yeah. And then when I see you, you stuck gold. - It makes sense though. Cause I, I noticed that about you
don't close off a lot. You never closed off a lot. It was always unless he you say close off, you mean like turn his back, turn his back and play like a
like there's some people that are literally like meow, meow will completely turn his
back on you to where you can't see the ball. You get what I'm saying? It's a different type but
he'll like walk it down, half spin, fake it. He'll do it. Gil do where it is like they
kind of get you where they want you before they go to whatever they want. But meow can turn his back
completely to where the ball's here and if you behind him. - You can't see it. - Can't see it. Yeah. That's the scariest that people
be like why they do this and they throw you off. It's
like if they show you, they literally drop it and
show you both hands and do this like you gotta pick. - Yep. Pick a side. - Pick one. Cuz if you don't
pick and you just stand there, they gonna just turn and they
might just lean in and go by you for a layup. So they go
like this to to square you off. But it keeps you low and it
keeps you like this and a guess so you so busy guessing you
not taking nothing away. He do it to where he's facing
you and he never lets you actually decide to dance. So if you do reach for some, it's like he said it's either
a quick in and out that you have to throw your body
now 'cause you reached, you know what I'm saying? Either way you gotta
commit to something like, but I just never realized that's the game. I wish I would've knew this
was the game this was playing out the to like hey bro, if
y'all didn't know already, like I, I'm big on that though. He was doing what you said I
was pg and I was doing the, the K.G. at PG once. Once I
realized what the he was doing, that's what I became. Oh. Like I started doing that.
I didn't do the whole like, like the extra he be doing
like we was on the free throw line. be like I smell
blood like all the extra. I'm like bro I ain't got
time for it. This bald. Ain't no look at you crazy bad. Used to go off the deep
ears sometimes. No. - Serious. - Oh no. And you realize it 'cause
you'll be like bro it's quiet in here. Like why wouldn't the pin drop
Do you keep going like you getting louder. You on the road like we can
hear you at this point G. Like. - He's sweet. He's sweet. - Oh bro. It's like house in the house you forcing me to now. Now you forcing me to say
something. Oh on this little. - Digging ain't got
nothing. You can't play. No. - Look at this little ho man coming out his teammate hoe man s ahoe. He like yo what? Be a open shot. Like look at this. - Yo. - You in the corner wide open too. Like y'all ever look at
y'all don't look at the ref? No y'all don't look at the do
that. You look at the police. - Yeah you look at the rep that solved. He gonna start laughing at you. Yes. - The rep is the police. - Yeah he gonna start laughing. What. - The police gonna do? Laugh at you. - Oh he never, he never did this one. Huh? Hey man. What, what's your name? Oprah. Hey who this coach? We got a
game player for him real tall? No. Oh yeah we you ain't do enough. That's. - Paul Pierce for me to put.
Yeah that's Paul Pierce. That's his move. Looking at your jersey like
what's your name. Oh yeah. looked at Melo and said hey
meow, who is this little? Who is that? Like who is that? Like I'm like bro score another
bucket on me and talk to another man. Like bro stop playing on me. Like who trying to disrespectful. Like I always loved them
for doing that though. Like that's like the best I worked. Yeah, that's disrespectful. I love being hazed but they
be not even being hazed just don't, 'cause if they didn't do like, if Paul Pierce didn't do this
run past me staring at me bro, I don't, nothing happens for me. The time we come into
there for the playoffs, that's why I was violating
them like the every three I scored I did Jason, Terry, Paul did that. I walked to the sideline
like this smack Jr. Off. What's up Joe? Yeah, you seen him? What you on? Where he at? Where he at? What is this? I was steady doing that. I ain't know what he was doing
or if I was doing it right but I was trying to like make
him see it like yeah this is what you just like, I've
been waiting on this bro. Like I wrote this down like
I was serious about that dog. But Paul Pierce was. - But he was violent. It's it is crazy how it
turns you into something. He. - Putting the ball dead in
front of my face to cross over right there. I'm like,
I studied it, it's here. I got it. I stuck cut that on. Gimme
that, gimme that gimme. Who is this young man? Yeah. Who is Y'all got me?
Who is guarding me man? Melo. When when you let me know when
you ready to play let me know when you ready to. I'm
like I'm not out here. K.G. smell blood. Y'all smell. - Yes. - Rondo ain't said a word. He at my baldhead he said a word bro. What is this Ray Allen
telling me? Great games. Yeah. Yeah. - He's a. - Nice one, A professional. But he got 35. He. - Got ke perks back
there barking his up up. - That people don't give
my KP enough credit. Man. He was Draymond for real. Straight up. We talking crazy. You hard fo you. - Think you coming off the
court K.G. like finally. Then Kerick over here with that
hard hit like oh man up the other one back here. Come on you. - Going back up man. That was a good team. I think about it. Even though they the first super team. I feel like they wasn't the
same as the other super team. We ain't gonna talk about that. Father's the big theme on this show. I'll being a father changed your life. - As a, as a player. To be honest, I didn't, I didn't know what being
a father was. Right. Being a dad. Yeah. It is cool. Right? It was big. Cool. You know I, I see you at the game, right? Hey wave to you a couple times. By the time I get home you sleep. By the time you wake up I'm gone. Right. You know that's really the N
NBA father. We wasn't really. - Yeah, you miss a lot of. - We miss a lot and we're there. Right. It's we're the, what's the funny is then we're
the ones in the household that's messing up things. Right? Right. They have, they're
they're, they're schooling. They're on a program. Oh word. We've been on the road 12 days. We the ones that's coming
home up their routine now. We gonna go get some ice cream
to a date right now 11:00 PM They're like, nah, he got school morning. Nah, all that school we're
the ones that they like, oh, can you go back on the road? - And that's us being a good dad. Yeah. And that's, that's us being a great dad. Like you aint good. Right. Think about all the times that we, I my daughters are up at
random hours. It's like dog, this is me and my, my wife having to be bad
parents cause we got to do. Yep. And they, they got, they
literally, like he said, they got a brush teeth
routine. They in bed by nine. - And the player, we, we messed it up. So we. - It all that up when I
was, we get home at two. - Yep. I'm home. Hey everybody wake up. Hey. - I'm daddy here. Oh man, how school? - Three in the morning
here, see you tomorrow. - Taking me. - To school. No. They be like, no,
you taking me to school? Nope. I'm gonna be asleep. - It's crazy though, now
that I think about it. You really don't, if you got
a game, you gone before them. Yeah. Cause shoot around
gonna be early if. - You and you years for
that. So when I was, when when I retired it was like. - This is cool. Gimme. - That. I wanna be a father. Real talk. - This. - Is wrong. I wanna be a father. What? How old y'all? Oh, alright. Sam six. Okay. Four, two. I cool you. Yeah. You gotta relearn it. I. - Need a. - Sprinter. Yeah. And that's what I got. I got a sprinter. I do it. Why? I got a Ferrari. What am I doing? Had a Ferrari. How y'all, y'all fit? I had all y'all I can't fit back. Yeah. Just sit on the laps. Right. And you and I had to get
a sprinter van on that. That. - Was really like, let's rap the sprinter. Like let's. - Do this. What sports we play
soccer, what sports we play. I figured. Oh. Oh, okay. Is that's the sport sitting
there in the soccer. Thought it was football. Ain't sitting there in
the soccer game like this. - Oh bro. - Yeah. Yeah. I'm a hooper. Yeah. I don't, I. - Hate that. I hate that. You had a difference sport. - Yeah. Hey, how'd I, how'd I do today? Yeah, you ran. You ran mean He was kicking some. I don't what the I supposed, I don't know nothing about this sport was. - Kicking some was wild. We watched our father have
to pick up and learn sports because we was all over the place. So he didn't know that
much about football, but he said he was gonna dive. Like he knew we watched
the game and stuff, but to learn a position
and to try and help him, he trying to digest the game for me. He trying to do basketball,
but he like, okay, he playing point guard now.
He trying to work on his shot. He trying to, so he trying
to read up, learn as much, find games that he could give us. Look, youngest brother, this
decides he wanna play soccer, he want to play baseball, he
want to try this, try that. So it was like, dog, we
came to the soccer game, did the same. I'm like, bro. Yeah. Not knowing kick it into the goal. Not knowing none. I'm
like, why y'all stop? I'm like, you steady stopping
when it go right here. He like, I can't cross right there. I'm like. - What? - He. - Know. - They had. - Zones. What you. - Is standing on one side
of the field? I'm like, he the only that care
to go back and forth. Like he the center. - What. - He the only that could do the jump ball. Gil, we like to ask all of our guests, what are you working on improving
right now about yourself? They'd apologize. - Well. - He was finna say nothing. - You know, I, I guess as, as, as, just back to the last
question too, as a father, just improving every day. Right? Because there's no blueprint.
There's no blueprint. We can go look as a perfect father. Yeah. - Go. We say that all the time. Like ain't no, there's no examples. - For this. And I gotta,
you got five kids, all five different real. So you, you, you sitting there trying
to like a basketball game. All right got, I got five players. All right. Who likes what? Okay, who likes it when. - How do I keep them unhappy? - What time Right here.
You know you sitting here? Yeah. Like alright these two
don't get along these two. Okay. They gonna jump this two. Like you gotta sit there. You the. - Yeah, that's, you really a coach. Coach. - You're really a coach. So
it's really just learning. You know, I got, you know daughter, she just got offered a Purdue
and she never heard of Purdue. So she's like, eh, that's a sorry school. Like wait, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. - Whoa. Relax. - Relax. That's big. - 10. You did great. I. - Know big people what? Be happy. You know this. You know I got St. Mary's over here. Whoa. - Wait a minute at the mailbox. Whoa, whoa. Coming in. - See value because of the
colors and this is red and new. This like, this brownie. Like wait a minute.
That's not how we picked. - College around here. Like you need to, you need to relax a little bit. Right. Right, right. Cause. - So that's the things that
you're going trying to like have girl understand that you got
to going into the 10th grade, he has this emotion like you, you, that's what I'm trying to
improve on. Just being, being a father to the point
where when I asked him, Hey, how'd I do? Right. You know, how'd I do? Like I, how I do was was was I cool? What was my flaws? You know what I mean? - That was wild. This is a first, this is, you know the parent asking
the child, how the did I do? Oh bro. - Cause listen, how you finish, how you go on is a
reflection on what I did. Right. Right. If you, if I up like
yeah, you know got gave you a d. - All son. How do with you. - Hey I made it. - NBA he that ain't fair with you? Cause you can rely on the numbers. No, no. My, my son like, I. - Made an NBA. I'm, you know,
first round number two pick. Hey my van. - Ah daughter, she gave me a. - D. What, what you got from me? You know, you know B minus I Okay, I get. - That. Like so you just trying to come outta there with a B. - Average. Now you're trying
to figure out because I gotta, you know, I'll, you know what I mean? Because when you look at,
when you look at parents, I know as a parent now when
you look at like some of the celebrities and they be having
problems with they kids and Yeah. You know these older ones having
problem with these kids and you be like, man don't like
y'all, y'all, y'all can fix it. Right. We all wish we could fix it. Where, where, where does it come to the
point where we're sitting there like I ain't talking to
him for like 15 years. - That's crazy. That's crazy. - No, there's, that's insane. Like hey come on Pops or mother or like, Hey man listen I listen. I ain't do this. Right. I ain't know how to talk to you. Like that's easy conversation. - Straight up. I up real talk. I was a little kid. Yep. I'll spend every day this year
trying to figure it out. Yep. I spend every day next year
trying to figure it out. If you ain't going to talk to me, let me at least walk you to school. Yep. - We ain't gotta talk. I just
walk you to school ladies. Listen. - Just walk just so I can
protect you cause I ain't do it. Yep. That's it. Little stuff. Just the little things. What is that? What did they say? - I think, I think we, I think sometimes it'd be like
the big things people like, yeah you wasn't with me
when I needed a, you know, swing or you know, a push
on a swing and all that. Yeah, true. I wasn't there but you, you
probably need some coffee. You probably need some lunch. I'll be your uber Uber driver
or something. Real true. Let me, let me try to make
it up like you got your, you need to babysitter. I can babysit you. Your kids. You ain't gotta pay. Let me be a grandfather. Straight up. I might not have been a good
father. Lemme be a grandfather. - Let me, let me sub in. - Something else. Yeah. You know I don't want, you know, I don't want what I did wrong
to you to pass on to right here. Let me go ahead and
try to mend that mean. It is just, that is, but that's
the point of being a father. Right? Yeah. You gotta figure out father,
grandfather all the same. - Real. - Talk. It's all the same. - No, I love that you said that. I ain't never really thought
about it like that. You right. That is, that is a first. That's a first for me. I
swear God I can't wait to, I can't wait to ask my
kids when they get grown. That's what I'm. - Saying. Hey you how'd
daddy do this week? - I'ma do that tonight. Give me a grade. Gimme a grade. - Gimme a grade. Go. - Ahead. Year. Might be hard though for birthday. I might video a grade every year. Oh yeah. Give him my full report card. - Report card. Gimme a report. Card. Card. Report card. What I need to work on. We do it in everything else we
do in life at the end of the season. Right. - What you get the evaluation
at the end of the app? I'm just seeing YouTube
at the end of the app. They'll ask you to rate Instagram bro. - Rape me. Real. - Talk Uber. - Everybody want to rate it real. All right. What? What'd I get this week ain't lie. - Deal. Oh bro. Real. What'd you. - Gimme? What I need to
work on I to work on? - Huh? All the kids come
home like they feel this out. Dad. Yeah. Like it's gonna be a bunch of dads
trying to figure out what the y'all, where does Quin come from? Where is this? Quinn? Hey dad. Huh? Came forbid no chill guilt. He said I had. - I had your fathers
gift. Hey, hey listen, all you hey all you A U kids. - Hey all your AAU kids every
weekend they went right for a specific. - AAU kids rate your
parents during the weekend. Hey man, I ain't even gonna be rude. Don't with your pops but yeah, don't. - Do that. - Yeah mama. You gotta see Daddy. You got a D. Hey y'all go work on y'all. Y'all over here embarrassing
me at my job because listen, listen to be honest. Why? Why the kids is playing. That's they job straight
up and we all sugar ball basketball. Don't shoot no more. Slide. - Run. I know I ain't come in the
game and see this my no more. My dad did that one game. I'm not gonna come here to watch this. I said yo. He was like 10. But I'm like yo. - That has the most pressure
though. They had the eight, nine and 10 got the most pressure. - It just made everybody a, I knew what I was gonna
have to do after that. I turned it up. We gonna turn it on. But it's like all the other
bombs and is looking like it's not that serious. Everybody look not that bad. Like yeah, they looking like let it be. - Kid one lay. - He like, I'm not, I'm not
gonna come here for this. I was like, pop like take it easy bro. Like let's go bro. It's like yo, like pop. It's cool man. It's the Y M C A game. Yeah. - Oh, it's worse now. - Yeah, it is. The Y M C A game. We got on
blue shirts, not even jerseys. This is the blue shirt, t-shirts shirt. Yo bro, I always playing
up on his team, man. I used to have to tuck my shirt
in and my shirt would come down. Like my, I really
had like a three quarter, like baseball. You said
three got the baseball joint, baseball joint before we let you go. Anything you wanna promote. - Drop, you know what I mean? I I I'm not one of those man,
to be honest, I'm, I'm not. - You got a podcast? - I I know, I know. - This really not gonna do it. - Man. No, I know I supposed to man. But I like, like when
I'm on somebody's man, it is theirs man. I. - Know, but it is like part. Listen, we wanna promote your podcast. - Listen, we here right. If you wanna watch me at some point, when you not watching this, you know Fubu, you know what I mean? For Fubu, right? That's Fubu No chill, no chill
podcast on the FUBU network. - You can follow me then. could say Fubu. - That's, you know, knew. - He. - You know, but that's what I'm saying. I just like to focus on what
they doing. What y'all doing. I don't like, I don't like to take away
from the other people. You know what I mean? That's how. - Feel it feel Takeaways. Tell, tell if your, your
Twitter handle your. - I don't know. - Talking. - About listen, no Chill. Right. You type that in. You'll find me somewhere. Hey. - Man, type it in and
look for a like that. Man. You drive around with
no license plate, no chill. - Type it in. You can type it in. - Anywhere. You'll find me. That's me. Don't worry about me. Pull me over there. Hey man, as always, thank you
for rocking with us ONMs man. I am your hoister. And I'm Ahrii Shumpert. Thank you Todd. Guest
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