Game Theory: Kirby...Dream Land's Biggest THREAT! pt 1

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Dear MatPat,

I can agree with a lot of the points you have made, but according to the lore. Kirby is a child. Meaning when someone says "Landia is evil, go defeat them", Kirby doesn't have the common sense to question it. Same with Dynablade, Kirby, being a child, does the first thing that comes to his mind. Its a similar thing with the sides Kirby picks, he eventually joins the right side when pushed, or when rewarded. Like giving a child a reward for doing their chores.

I'm not saying that Kirby doesn't have his evil sides, but a lot of the problems he causes is because he doesn't have the common sense to question what he is doing. I hope this makes Kirby seem a little less evil.

-PixelmonMasterYT

๐Ÿ‘๏ธŽ︎ 36 ๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ︎ u/PixelmonMasterYT ๐Ÿ“…๏ธŽ︎ Mar 10 2019 ๐Ÿ—ซ︎ replies

Didn't kirby help out the fairy people in kirby 64? And it wasn't his fault for what happened?

๐Ÿ‘๏ธŽ︎ 9 ๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ︎ u/bromigo7593 ๐Ÿ“…๏ธŽ︎ Mar 10 2019 ๐Ÿ—ซ︎ replies

Before watching: Kirby lore teases the fact that Void and Kirby are made of the same essence, but when this essence is formed, the surrounding emotions dictate what kind of being it'll be, Kirby and Gooey was around positive emotions, while Void and (supposedly) Dark Matter was around negative ones. I really want MatPat to do a theory based around real lore and not just what happens on screen.

Ill give it a watch (enjoy it anyway as a 'what if') and edit any more thoughts.

After watching: One sentence: Kirby is still technically a child. Just like most kids, they wont do much unless its affecting them directly. Kirby simply doesn't understand whats going on like how a child wont understand why they should help an old lady, until, like Kirby, they have an reward or personal reason to help. Other times (like kids) he wants to help, but he helps in the wrong way, like Kirby's adventure. TL:DR: He's just a child.

๐Ÿ‘๏ธŽ︎ 7 ๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ︎ u/RedStae ๐Ÿ“…๏ธŽ︎ Mar 10 2019 ๐Ÿ—ซ︎ replies

I know exactly where this is going: the references of Void being related to Kirby and all, however there are some notes I'd like to make:

TL;DR: The artifacts mentioned are "evil" on their own, while there are ties between Dark Matter and Star Warriors, I think it's heavily implied that Star Warriors are supposed to combat Dark Matter, and finally Kirby is a baby, which is why he's so destructive.

First of all, anything related to any Dream Fountain or other device crafted by the Halcadran Ancients should be mostly debunked as "kirby attacking innocents". The Halcadran artifacts including but not limited to the Dream Fountains, the Master Crown, the Galactic Novas, the Star Rod, the Lor Starcutter, and likely even Ripple Star's Crystal are cited time and time again to be objects of immense power, powerful enough to corrupt any normal entity that comes to possess them. Most of the guardians of these things, while not necessarily evil, can not be exclusively considered "guardians" as, with Landia for example, they become corrupted and possessive of the objects they are meant to protect; it's similar to how Gollum is with the Ring.

Second, it is heavily inferred that Meta Knight, Galacta Knight, and Kirby are all beings of the same species: Star Warriors. Star Warriors are regrettably one of the few things in this series that we don't have much canon information about; we get a lot of dancing around the lore in Kirby Right Back At Ya, but while it's good for theorizing, that's not credible as a source. The only thing we currently have as a concrete source is the fact that Void often takes the shape of Kirby, and is heavily implied to be related in the description text...and also that Galacta Knight is always summoned by Halcadran devices. Void is also heavily reminiscent of the Dark Matter, taking their shape as well and even appearing like Zero 2 in the third phase of the fight. Since worship of Void is the reason the Jamba clan was banished from Halcadra to the edge of Popstar's dimension, it's very possible that whatever Void is created both Star Warriors and Dark Matter...or that Star Warriors, beings powered up by Dream Fountains, were made by the Ancients to combat Void's power.

Finally, something once again noted in Kirby Right Back At Ya, but heavily inferred from his actions in all of the games: Kirby is still a child. It's not that he's purposefully destructive or intends to cause harm because of his nature as much as it is that Kirby just hasn't matured to the level of Meta Knight. He still acts like a child, which is evident in everything that he does from making mistakes that cause more problems, to not really caring about the state of the world outside of his own little bubble. Meta Knight is often shown to be Kirby's caretaker and mentor.

This is copied from my comment on youtube, but I feel like it'll actually be noticed here.

๐Ÿ‘๏ธŽ︎ 6 ๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ︎ u/Saga_Daroxirel ๐Ÿ“…๏ธŽ︎ Mar 10 2019 ๐Ÿ—ซ︎ replies

Matpat cherry picked and purposely left out information to help his case, and didnt even question that kirby has the mind of a small child.

๐Ÿ‘๏ธŽ︎ 4 ๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ︎ u/bird720 ๐Ÿ“…๏ธŽ︎ Mar 12 2019 ๐Ÿ—ซ︎ replies

MatPat, I loved the video! But, instead of portraying Kirby as evil, I think it would be better to portray Kirby as neutral chaotic, as you said in the video. That fits his character more, as he fixes the problems he creates.

๐Ÿ‘๏ธŽ︎ 3 ๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ︎ u/DeezButts44 ๐Ÿ“…๏ธŽ︎ Mar 11 2019 ๐Ÿ—ซ︎ replies

Just another Game Theory that ignores a vast amount of information to make a bold and clickbait claim that will spark controversy. I usually ignore them but this one is just too painful, and honestly feels like an attack on my favorite game series.

๐Ÿ‘๏ธŽ︎ 4 ๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ︎ u/AlexiAcew ๐Ÿ“…๏ธŽ︎ Mar 11 2019 ๐Ÿ—ซ︎ replies

Don't explain actions with evil when they can adequately be explained with stupidity. Kirby is naive, impulsive and quite frankly as sharp as a bowling ball (literally AND figuratively). That being said... Kirby is totally Void/Dark Matter that was filled with positive emotions instead of negative ones.

Damn, I sure hope the 2nd part of the theory turns out more interesting because Kirby has a shitton of awesome lore... we're talking about artifacts that can make your dreams come true (literally), several wish-granting clockwork stars, black holes turned into living beings trying to find their place in the universe (See Gooey and Zero 1) and the ancient civilization that created all of them AND their mysterious and sudden disappearance.

But I guess you can't turn that into a clickbait-y title, now can you?

๐Ÿ‘๏ธŽ︎ 5 ๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ︎ u/hur_hur_boobs ๐Ÿ“…๏ธŽ︎ Mar 10 2019 ๐Ÿ—ซ︎ replies

As a Kirby fan, I know part 2 is going to talk about his relationship to void termina.

Just talk about that instead of having a part 1 thatโ€™s a stupid smear of a canonically good character with cherry picked situations and other situations that are purposefully misinterpreted to suit this stupid narrative. Itโ€™s just bad practice. I mean then again itโ€™s nothing new after the Mario smear but still, Kirby deserves better.

Itโ€™s sad because I feel like the channel used to be about facts, and thereโ€™s actual gems here and there, but this is very clearly a negatively spun narrative that I could debunk incredibly easily point by point (except some instances of squeak squad but that game was pretty OOC) purposefully made to create controversy and attention for a cash grab. Itโ€™s sad.

๐Ÿ‘๏ธŽ︎ 2 ๐Ÿ‘ค๏ธŽ︎ u/Themeguy ๐Ÿ“…๏ธŽ︎ Mar 12 2019 ๐Ÿ—ซ︎ replies
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[Theme music] Hello Internet! Welcome to Game Theory, The show that hungers for the truth, just as much as Kirby hungers for cake. You know come to think of it, I also hunger for cake a lot too though. Okay game theory cake, with a dollop of truth. Dear viewer, I ask you: What is the true nature of Kirby? Now, most people would say that he's a cute pink puffball, the hungry little alien protector of planet Popstar. Online though, Certain circles take a different view. Kirby as an insatiable God, a walking black hole with no mercy for anything that he consumes. It's funny, for years, I've had a suspicion that the Kirby series is more mature than we give it credit for. I mean it is the only, Nintendo franchise to feature a naked woman after all. And if you've ever played a Kirby game all the way through, you probably know that the final bosses tend to be far more mature than any of the game that came before. As a kid I was scarred by Kirby's Dreamland 3, 1 minute I'm playing in this childlike pencil drawn world, and the next, Dedede's stomach rips open like something you'd see out of "The Thing." Then you have zeros eye, shattering out of his egg body, only to chase you down while it's still bleeding? I mean just a few minutes ago, I was riding a freakin oversized hamster, but you gotta admit the Kirby strategy is actually kinda brilliant The main story is cute and easy and kids can get a sense of accomplishment for making whispy woods cry for like the umpteenth time But with in most modern Kirby games now, There's deeper more adult content hidden as a completion bonus for the hardcore gamers, (the hardcore gamers who, you know play Kirby games), as a result you have this Interesting duality that exists in Kirby games, cute on the outside, But dark and twisted on the inside, like a rotting tootsie roll pop. So what is Kirby? Is he hero of Popstar? Or is he a world consuming villain? A pink puff ball for good, or a fiery god of evil? The games tell us time and again that he's a hero. But can we believe what they're saying? Surprisingly Kirby Lore does have an answer. Over the years, the games have slowly been revealing more and more of what the true nature of Kirby is and the answers, they're starting to give, are shocking! No, Kirby is not a hero, but he's also not necessarily evil either! It's my theory, that if you manage to piece together, all the clues sprinkled throughout the series, canonically speaking Kirby is a reincarnated god of destruction the equivalent of a mindless, super weapon related to some of the deadliest and scariest antagonists that have been haunting these games, from the very beginning. It sounds crazy right? We're still talking about Kirby, aren't we? I thought so too at first, but based on in-game lore bits, all of this seems to be what the designers are intending to do with this character, so stick around at the end of this two-part theory I don't think you'll ever be able to look at Kirby, the same way again. It may seem that Kirby's a hero, because he's constantly saving his home Dreamland from multiple intergalactic threats, but upon closer inspection you'll see one common thread across all of his stories, Kirby is the one unleashing the threats in the first place. In"Kirby's Adventure". The second game of the series, Kirby is on a quest to restore dreams to Dreamland, to do this we're told that he has to collect pieces of the Star Rod, which was shattered by the evil King Dedede. In truly heroic form, Kirby assembles the shards defeats Dedede and Dedede begs him to stop. Literally, gets dragged across the ground, as he tries to convince Kirby to stop what he's about to do. But, Kirby who you'll quickly learn is surprisingly stubborn for a pink blob. Ignores Dedede and goes through with replacing the Star Rod, but instead of saving everyone's dreams. This one simple act, instead summons the true villain of the game, Nightmare, who needed the Star Rod as the last piece to completely conquer Dreamland, in one of gaming's earliest twist endings, Dedede was actually acting as the good guy the entire time, by destroying the Star Rod and giving the pieces to his Guardians, our King Penguin here, was trying to keep the powerful item out of Nightmare's evil clutches. Kirby, by assembling the rod and bringing it back unleashes evil that Dedede had captured and contained. It's no wonder that in future games, Dedede is described as having a grudge against Kirby. This establishes very early on in the series that Kirby resorts to violence first, and asks questions later. It gets even worse from here. In, "Return to Dreamland". It's the exact same plot again, floating jellybean Magolor, crash lands his ship on Popstar, and asks Kirby to help him rebuild. Kirby, of course obliges, then, Magolor, asks Kirby to go one step further by, defeating the four-headed dragon, Landia. What reason does he give Kirby for attacking this creature? That's it's evil, that it's a threat? He actually doesn't say all that much, but Kirby doesn't need a reason anyway He just agrees and jumps into action beating up a dragon, that he knows literally nothing about. Landia drops its prized Master Crown and wouldn't you know it but Magolor is there, waiting eager to snatch it up. The whole time, he was misleading Kirby, gaslighting him, expecting our pink puffball to do the dirty work for him taking a hit, out on Landia. Just so he can swoop in and grab the Master crown for himself. Definitely put"s him calling Kirby, his hero into a whole new context, again, for a second time, we see Kirby just resorting to violence. Hopping directly into action without looking to see what the real facts might be. In the process Kirby winds up injuring a lot of innocents and gives the evil Magolor exactly what he wanted, and what he has unable to retrieve on his own. What another creature in this case, Landia, was trying to protect. Kirby again unleashes a villain, that, without his help would have never seen the light of day. Speaking of villains who swooped in at the last minute, Let's talk "Milky Way Wishes", when the Sun and Moon are fighting up in the sky one civilian speaks up with a solution, Marx, his proposed answer to this literal star war is to summon, Nova, a giant space watch that grants wishes. Making it basically an nerder version of Shen Run from Dragon Ball. Kirby travels planet, to planet, to harness each one star power, making him quite literally, an invading alien army to the locals of that area, and after decimating seven planets worth of creatures, (eat your heart out Samus.). Kirby successfully summons, Nova. But before he can make his wish and justify all the damage, he just caused across the galaxy, Kirby is betrayed by Marx, who wishes to take over Popstar. Meaning that for a third time now, We see a villain, taking advantage of our innocent Kirby. Kirby goes on to defeat Marx, but, also has to destroy Nova in the process, leaving the universe one step back from where this quest first started and ultimately lnvalidating all the bloodshed, from all those planets that he just visited. But, it's the fourth time, that's really the charm for Kirby, and starts to show the problems with his character, in "Squeak Squad.". Kirby's Strawberry Shortcake goes missing, and Kirby immediately jumps to the conclusion, that it must be the work of King Dedede No investigation. No evidence. Just a pure guess that it's the king, and from there, it's straight to clobber in time, with Kirby inhailing his way through dream lambs inhabitants, who have nothing to do with the cake! Kirby doesn't even assume that, they have anything to do with the cake, and yet he still feels it necessary to destroy them as he goes ass (bonkers), finally He gets to the castle, where he promptly, roughs up the king. Again a huge amount of violence for some missing Strawberry Shortcake, and true to his 'ask questions later' mentality, it's only after Dedede is passed out on the floor, thanks to the Kirby beatdown, that it suddenly occurs to him quote, "Of course Dedede doesn't know anything about the (strawberry shortcake) cake". A bit late to figure that one out, huh Kirby? Instead, it's revealed that the true culprits are the Squeak Squad. Mouse-like-thieves who stole the cake, alongside a mysterious chest from Dedede's castle. Thinking the chest contains his missing dessert, Kirby gives chase and alongside the Squeak Squad. Eventually opens it which releases yet another brand new evil this time called, Dark Nebula Once again, an evil entity that was successfully kept trapped, until Kirby got involved. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me. Fool me three times, it's getting repetitive. Fool me four times and well, maybe the series just needs to spice up its general plot structure. It's this fourth retelling of the story, though That's especially Revealing when it comes to Kirby's character, because not only is Kirby creating the problems that he ends up having to solve, but in most of these circumstances. He has to be forced to actually take action, to clean up his own messes. In, "Kirby's Adventure". When Nightmare appears, it's Dee Dee Dee who literally has to launch Kirby at him in order to get him to do anything. In, "Return to Dreamland". Same story, Magolor betrays the team, and Kirby doesn't have a clue what's really going on. I mean look at his face! It's not until Landia, the dragon you beat all to heck for no apparent reason, picks Kirby up and throws him on his back that Kirby takes any action against Magolor. In "Squeak Squad". It's even more telling, we literally just see someone release a galactic evil. And here's Kirby, just worried about his cake. In fact, the game makes it very clear that that's the only reason he goes on to fight Dark Nebula. Quote, "The smoke envelops the squeaks and disappears into space. How awful! At this rate, the Strawberry Shortcake will be lost forever." Even at the end of the game, Kirby who just saved the universe, only is happy when his cake is returned. But, simply, Kirby doesn't act heroically on his own. He just gets pointed in a direction, sometimes good, More often bad, and just destroys mindlessly. until the task is done. He's an unfocused weapon of mass destruction, not caring about good or evil, or what he's fighting for. Just fixated on whatever impulse strikes him in the moment, even in the story as absurd as "Epic Yarn". Does anyone remember why Kirby decided to fight the Evil Sorcerer "Yinyarn"? It's not because he was going around turning people into yarn creatures, like a hero would. It was because Kirby wanted to eat a Tomato. "Kirby saw his favorite food, a bright red Tomato, and when Kirby tried to eat it, a caped sorcerer appeared. No! That's my magic Metamato! Kirby gulped the Metamato right down. Just then a white Sock on the Sorcerer's neck began to glow. Then it sucked Kirby up!" In the stories, We see Kirby, eventually aligns to the side of good, but it's a rarely because he chooses to be good He's the embodiment of a chaotic neutral force, now compare his actions to those of both Dedede and Meta Knight. Dedede breaks the Star Rod to protect Dreamland, giving Meta Knight one of the shards to guard the Pandora's box that Successfully keeps Dark Nebula contained is housed in Dee Dee Dee's castle for safekeeping, and when the King loses possession of it Meta Knight is the one who steps in to prevent it from getting open, because the game outright says he knows what's In there. These are heroic characters, purposely putting their lives on the line to defeat evil, even if their methods are sometimes misguided or questionable. Even when they're at their most villainous the intent isn't nearly as bad as it might perceive. In, "Revenge of Meta Knight". Meta Knight's goal for conquering Popstar, is to make it less lazy. He is literally the Sportacus to Kirby's Robbie Rotten. But, screw that, Kirby boards the Halberd and blows up the entire ship! When the crew decide they want to go down with their captain Meta Knight outright warns them, "You are about to Perish." and "I'm sorry." that is an exact quote, again. This isn't a Kirby game, and here's Meta Knight saying, "You all are gonna die.". Meanwhile, here's Kirby jetting away without a care in the world, and then watches as a ship, full of people crash lands, into the ocean. He literally watches them die, while keeping that adorable smile on his face. it all just goes to reinforce this idea, that for as cute as he is. Kirby just isn't very nice. In the puzzle game, "Kirby's Avalanche." We actually get some of the best examples of how he interacts with his fellow creatures in these games, and his personality is not cute. In the game, the premise is that you puzzle battle anyone you come into contact with as you journey your way to the Dream Fountain. So true to Kirby games, Waddle Dee happens to be your first opponent on easy mode and here's your interaction with him. Kirby: Hi, Waddle Dee. Are you ready?!? Waddle Dee: Umm, can we walk together? The forest scares me... Kirby: Sorry, Rules are rules! Here is a poor innocent creature scared in the woods, and Kirby responds with, "Too bad, I have to beat you in a glorified candy crush mod even other characters in this game recognize home." Kirby can be a few battles later. You're fighting against the Waddle Doo quote again, "You did not treat Waddle Doo with respect... now I Waddle Doo will repay you in kind!" Even the people who are trying to help Kirby, end up getting steamrolled in this game. "I know what your dream is!" And then Kirby just cuts him off, "Go meddle in someone else's affairs." He says, "Meddle in someone else's affairs.". Dude, Kirby, squid man, was just trying to help you. Eehhh, sure that game may not be canon But you know What is Kirby's Dreamland 3? No, in past games in the series you could argue that Kirby was attacking Creatures, because they were part of Dee Dee Dee's army It's not the best argument since, relatively few actively attacked Kirby. But, you could make that case here, though, Kirby outright sees these creatures getting possessed, taken over by a mysterious dark substance from outer space. He should know that they're innocent and yet he still Chooses to swallow them, and slice them in half with cutters, and stab them with swords. Anyway, it's just like Mario breaking the toads who'd been turned into bricks in the first game except here, it's even worse since these creatures still look like Kirby's friends and neighbors doesn't matter, Kirby just runs in and tells him to get in his belly How about all those guardians I mentioned earlier from "Milky Way Wishes"? They were just there on their planet, doing their job protecting their star fountains heroes of their respective worlds, But here comes Kirby a literal alien invader, who not so heroically beats them all up, and it would be one thing if Kirby actually cared about the creatures, he was Helping but he doesn't, in one game he's fighting against Dee Dee Dee for stealing all the food, in Dreamland because the people suddenly don't have enough, but then in the next, he is literally racing Dee Dee Dee, consuming as much as possible in Dynablade, a giant bird is out there damaging all the crops of dreamland. But is that why Kirby takes on the mission? No! Because, dynablade flies past and caused Kirby to get knocked on the head, with an apple. Ruining his nap, and prompting a quest for bloody revenge. But, even if that wasn't the case. Look at Kirby's behavior in this game, Kirby fights to protect the crops, beats up Dynablade, once again asks questions. Later, only to find out that she had kids that she was protecting, which in turn, explains all the crop business. Kirby literally, delivers a beat down to a mother who is Protecting her kids, something that could have very easily been avoided, if Kirby hadn't run in guns blazing, and again If you think all of this is a stretch, that I'm reading too much into these details, And not the games at this point, recognize the dangerous impulsiveness of Kirby, how it can be used for good but also that it can be used as a weapon, for evil. In fact, Kirby is descended from a line of evil creatures, a fact that the games are starting to make more, and more Explicit, so I ask again. What is the true nature of Kirby? He is a chaotic neutral God, reincarnated into multiple generations, with the sole purpose of Destruction, but that part is a whole separate discussion for next week in the meantime, remember? That is just a theory, a GAME THEORY!!! Thanks for watching. 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