FUNCTIONAL FRIDAY FLAT FACE FIXES

what's up guys johnny glock here and once again it's time for another installment of functional friday sorry i missed you guys last weekend i was on vacation and just so you know just to disappoint you but for the next two weeks after this there will be no functional friday because i'm going to be up in pennsylvania with family spending some time with some r r before we gear up again for the fall here and my kids have to go back to school so um anyway what we're going to discuss today is it's primary about flat-based shoes and it's phenomenon there's a there's a couple of different things we're going to look at it's a phenomenon that happens presents itself a couple different ways and and we're gonna get right to it okay so basically we do have a this empty gun we even show this sometimes when you get a flat base shoe there is no movement like see i'm trying to push on this even when i go to depress this it's literally see if you get get right up against her wick see that right there that is so tight right there it's actually grabbing a little bit so when i go to break this when i go to break the trigger sometimes no this is the first thing that'll happen if i don't land perfectly on this trigger safety tab it's going to see like i am pushing as hard as i can if i'm not landing perfectly on that you can see the stalemate that it's going to get that in there right you can see the stalemate that that's causing it finally depressed it's caught see what i'm saying like i there it went right there you will see that that is one way it's going to present if you're too tight there against the frame if you do not have enough distance between your trigger safety tab and your frame it's going to be problematic the second way and especially on gen 5s and 43s and 48s and all that is after you break it if you decide to let go of the trigger it is going to want to it didn't do it right there but it's going to want to sort of hang right about there it's not going to come out the whole way it's going to be dragging on the frame and then you'll have a gun and you'll think it reset it but it's actually sitting like that that's very dangerous because you don't have your trigger safety tab engaged so i'm going to show you how to address this now if it's a if it's a pre-travel adjustable shoe then of course you're just going to change the pre-travel you know it's going to give you more room in between there okay but if it's a combination of the room and the fact that this has a lot of you'll notice our springs have a lot of tension here with the trigger shoes we build because we want this to definitely stay engaged now sometimes for guys that are shooting further in like this that don't actually drop on their pad or come come a little bit deep there's there's like a you'll hear that click here clicking clicking so when you get on that you you don't want to have that click happen that's problematic so basically and and if you buy a trigger from if you buy the trigger kit from us this is something we already do and it is to relieve bring this on over brandon quick sorry right here this area right here where it drops down into we'll call this the pocket of the flat face shoe where it drops down in there this is what creates this this um relationship between the front of the bar and the shoe where it stops it right there is what's creating that geometry and giving it either the room that it needs behind the trigger safety tab or not giving it the room now if it's a if it's an adjustable shoe like my polymer shoes are you're just going to change that value with the set screw right there but since these shoes are fixed and majority of them are fixed out there you don't have that ability so what is it that you're going to do to alleviate that quite like we do so basically since this is the gun that is having the issue i'm going to take this out and this is a raw unmodified glock bar that i have in here because this is usually where it happens and i'll explain this to you because i'm going to show you all now guys if you have one of these from us we like we lock tight everything so i have this one loose you're not going to do it but if you are going to break the bonds on these you're going to need about 10 seconds of a flam right about like that okay that includes for the set screw in the rear if it's a 42 43 43 x or a 48 that's where i that's where i control or if you just buy the shoe stand alone and you're trying to work it into your gun that's where you're gonna control the over travel is right there so that same thing and when you re when you put these back in you're gonna definitely want to reapply loctite to those screws so they don't move because metal and metal they will move so i'm just going to grab this pin vise and we're just going to back this out and when you look at the difference in between let's do gen okay so let me grab the same exact bar gen 4 to gen 4. if you look at the profiles of these you can see this little get right in there this little that little gap right there see that i'm that i'm coming across where it raises up that's pretty much when you look at this one as opposed to that one that's where the the web grabs it when it's stamping at one of the areas we get rid of that because we want to make dang sure no matter what model you have that it is not going to be super super tight up against there now another thing pull that back another thing is a lot of guys that that carry combat you know that carry defensive triggers they want more pre-travel they might not be comfortable with only a eighth inch of pre-travel they might want more they don't want the entire glock pre-travel but they want maybe just a a minimal reduction maybe bringing it down to like you know a little bit over like around a quarter of an inch or something like that and this is another way that you can create that distance to get the to get give yourself more pre-travel for staging for prepping if you are not i know the 43 triggers drop in there they're insane they're like the trigger safety tab depresses and you're right on that wall i've had plenty of calls of guys saying hey how do i you know how do i how do i create more pre-travel it's a fixed shoe and i walk them through this process but i'm so glad that's why i wanted to do this video too to show you guys how you're going to do this so basically you're going to need a vise you're basically removing material you know and there's several ways to do it do not vise these up any other way than like right here with with a with a a smooth face um vice that's how you're going to want to do it uh because honestly you know if you grab that with the with the ones with the aggressive teeth on there it's gonna it's probably gonna leave some demarcation so the smoother the better and you know depending on what your method of uh moving metal is is going to be up to you so here's a here's a couple different okay so we have a a coarse diamond stone here um this is a bastard file this is another type of uh like rapid removing file because you know you don't want to do sandpaper because it's going to take forever with sandpaper and you're just not going to have you're not going to be able to apply the pressure in my opinion that you need so basically you're going to get this vice stuff appropriate to how you know you're going to work with this with your body and then you're going to going to come across and just remove some metal and you can see it's already removing a decent amount of the metal right there you can see the flakes or you can use this type same thing but you really want to make sure that you're staying you know you want to make sure you're staying level with this you're not going down or going back that's one thing that's why i really like this vice i mean that's why i really like this this file right here because i can really pay close attention to the trigger bar i can see a lot of that trigger bar as i'm filing this off now of course once again at the shop here this is something this is one of brandon's responsibilities and he uses his 1200 belt grinder to do it but basically this is we can do a comparison which one takes longer yeah right exactly so and you can see you're still you can still see that little that little thing that i that's what i'm trying to say that's what you're shooting for you're shooting to flatten the whole thing out past that and i think if i turn up for you brandon you'll be able to see it better we still have that right there that demarcation or or should we say all right you know get above me right here because you can only see all right now you can see it's it's almost gone that's a good indicator the fact that that is now all flat you don't have that bump there and then from there you want to take a little bit off this side a little bit off this side because what you're trying to do is just to round to sort of round the hair back it up just a little bit you just want to round that because if you see our bars that's basically basically what we're doing and then from there you can take it off of here and like i said at this point you can use sandpaper and you can use something that's that's very much um you know that doesn't have any that has some backing to it i'm gonna grab this 400 real quick just to prove a point but and any of this non any of the non-slip stuff like um you know these mats work really well this is like a neoprene this is kind of like a vulcanized so if i go like this on here it's not going to be hard on hard it's just going to it has kind of a softness i can go back and forth and now you can see it's really starting to come up to where there's not going to be you know any any burrs or mars or anything like that we want this to be smooth and then you can polish it out basically that's it you want to make sure that you're getting everything off those sides in the front so as it is rotating in that pocket that it's not having the tendency to scrape up against the pocket inside there like that and also remember the reason we're using these set screws too is because there's a maintenance schedule to these you know if you're shooting a lot a lot a lot you really want to get those you really want to at some point take your bar out of here and clean that off clean that out in there with some solvent clean this whole thing off and then you know maybe put a little dab of that blue grease that i use in the syringe which is the uh once again this cleans oil synthetic gun grease put some of that on there drop it back down in there all right so now when we install this back into the gun you're going to see and i'm not going to worry with the locking block well actually i will because i want to that there now is it's moving freely i personally would take more off but you know what you're looking for is just a couple sh yeah right there see a couple sheets of a couple of widths of a couple sheets of paper back there this could go a little bit more in my opinion especially for this type of trigger okay because this is like i said unless you land that's why i use these on my competitions on my combats i use the the uh this johnny glock jg flat base because you know in a in a in a defensive situation you might be using your off hand you might be using your pinky to shoot this gun i want to make sure no matter what happens that you are depressing it with that so this this cap encapsulated trigger safety tab it's super cool it looks cool and all that stuff it does give the shoe rigidity but in my opinion for me it's just more of like a a competition style because you know if you had to if you had to depress this uh in a situation when it took you know uh more fine motor skills and your adrenaline's surgeon you might not be able to pull it off so you know better to be safe than sorry that's why i like this the way this depresses a lot better than uh this for defensive applications that's the reason behind why i've done that so second you can pull back up is the i want to address is the issue of sometimes there is a little bit there's there's a lot of tension here and so you know we want enough tension to always keep it engaged fully but at the same time you don't want too much tension here so if you do hit them hit it differently now see that's that's even you're still getting that little bit of a grab right there if i go deeper it's going to grab deeper if i land right on my finger pad it's not going to so well i guess it is still right there but if i land right on my finger pad then it's not so there is a learning curve to this type of shoe in my opinion so one of the other things you can do and this comes right back once again to the fact that we use stainless steel american-made set screws um and honestly try to pick them up with a magnet they won't pick up their complete stainless steel so basically the reason we use these once again is for maintenance and for tuning so like i said very easily we get the bar back off here now with the trigger safety tab or if you have one you have to punch out you have to use your punch and get it out of there there's a chance okay so this one's all right there we go this is lock tight a little bit off tight left on there you can see the loctite kind of coming out so as you can see we we do loctite these rather substantially because we don't want them moving so please make sure there you go please make sure you are using um a little bit of heat to break that bond so now here's the trigger safety tab spring you don't if you are if you are ha don't touch it if you don't have to if you are having that issue you can take about two coils of this off safely still have your engagement but still have it be a little bit lighter to depress so and if you snip the spring before it's not rocket science you're just going to take this and you're just going to snip it off right there okay now you'll see if you take these apart and it's one of my triggers i always put that synthetic gun grease i'm always gonna you know i always come into this and i hit put a little bit of actually this is white lithium grease in there but i put the where's the tube with the can you hey chelsea can you give me a tube of that um gun grease thank you huh so right in that and then we chamfer this hole too that way that way if there you don't feel that ding ding that you know it's if it's just a solid chamber sometimes because of the fact that it does have the you know the spring does have the ability to you know kind of bow like this if this is chamfered and this hole is chamfered you're not going to have any clinging you're not going to have the the sides of the spring catching on that as it's being compressed and uh decompressed so that's very important and also you know i really love the grease because now that that's packed and like i said this is another area you want to take apart i can use a tool like this i can just drop it right in there and it stays put okay i'm also going to say you always put the cut in on the inside of the trigger it always works out to be better that way because um just the nature of this being the moving part the nature that this is the moving part uh doesn't have the end coil being cut throwing things off and you know what it's such a small circumference it's such a small radius right there that it really doesn't completely matter i'm just being ocd and anal like i normally am you don't need to actually put it in here too because usually the the part that's inside the other side is going to pretty much smush through the whole thing and like i said i do have a video on when i'm where i'm actually cleaning an apex shoe so it's the same thing here you're going to get this installed you're going to tighten it back in you're going to add some loctite there make sure you let it cure for 24 hours you're going to check this right here now see this is in my opinion this is substantially lighter it's got a substantially lighter feel so if you are having that issue with our trigger shoe or any other shoe out there that is an option for you so we're going to put this back together again and also sometimes with the gen fives this is the if that if that if that spring is too tight when this comes to god the frame that's what causes it to drag on the frame right there when i reinstall this and it's like i said especially with the new gen fives and the 43s and all that stuff it has that they have the uh the clasp instead of the spring that captures it sometimes they they the resets aren't as uh as robust so when this gun goes to come back out the pressure of the trigger safety right there i'm gonna break the trigger the pressure of the trigger safety tab on the inside of the frame like that's a good shot on the inside right frame right there we're pulling out right there the bottom of this right there is going to hold it before it snaps back out okay so now with this it's completely depressing to for the most part no matter where on the trigger shoe i land because it has taken out the stoutness of that spring so those are the couple reasons a couple remedies this is a video because i wanted to be able to i used to have to send pictures and kind of explain to people how to do this um but now this is really and you know it's for any shoe out there i i always just don't do these videos just for the stuff i sell because it's basically mechanically flawless um but for the other stuff that's out there if you need to address some of these issues you know this is kind of the way to handle it so if you don't have the room to move that's what you're going to do or if you want more room to move if it's a if it's a defensive trigger and you just don't feel comfortable with it being right against the wall that's where you take the material away from the bar in order to get that extra bit of um extra bit of swing from the shoe to sit in a um you know in the position that you feel most comfortable with when you purchase it and when you're staging okay so a lot of guys just and you know it's all these all the stuff has learning curves to it you know i i don't use flat shoes because i'm just so dang used to the curved shoe and i really don't want to like the learning curve when i switched to a uh you know rsd that was i could say it was steep but it was a learning curve but that had for me so many advantages i would be you know it would be ridiculous for me not to go especially with my eyesight these days go to a red dot it wasn't even a question do i feel the advantages of a flat-based shoe or about the same advantages as a red dot as far as me as a shooter no i really don't in flock i like a little bit i'm so used to the little bit of flex of the polymer it's the difference i always explain it in between like a belt drive and a chain drive the chain drive is going to mean the belt drive is going to have a little more of a relaxed feel or i say you know it's like jumping off a wall onto concrete as opposed to jumping on some light grass you have a little bounce a little bit of flex there in that polymer shoe i just like i'm used to it helps it helps me with my with my reset anticipation so um this is why i'm kind of explaining a couple of these things so you can understand the differences because flat shoes might not be for everyone and you know if you spend anywhere to from 200 to 100 on a flat shoe you could be disappointed this kind of information helps to make the decision should i even get into that sort of flat-faced shoe arena um like wick loves him like you're like flat shoe yep every one of his guns has a flat shoe you know so actually yeah that has 12 of these zero of these right one polymer there you go um and so basically that's it so you know maintenance is a big thing with the flat-based shoes the the metal grabs a lot of carbon you know what i mean so you're going to want to make sure you open those there i think it's me cleaning an apex shoe like i said that's going to show you how to and like i said i'm punching stuff out with the apex with this shoe in particular and that's why andy and i designed it this way from ranger proof because it's maintenance free you're not going to booger up your shoe you're not going to mess things up inside your head it's a no-brainer throw a little you know throw a little heat on there with a bic later it all comes apart throw some loctite on there it all goes back together very simply so um so you guys that are just buying the shoes stand alone from me if you are putting it on the you know the raw bar the raw glock bar and you do have that tightness aspect this is the way you address it so that's about it it's a short one it's a sweet one and uh if you guys have any questions you know leave them in the comments remember like share subscribe um anything else brandon hi larry i bought my first gun our illustrious uh chelsea larry with her with her get a picture of that dress come on man let's no i don't want to go on the internet you're on the internet you're on the internet [Laughter] bought her first gun you know so uh i don't know we have ever talked about her story you know what i mean she's more of a crafting person but uh you know this is very close to jewelry making it's very close to knife building all that stuff it's metal and if and if you have the the that kind of meant watchmaking anything like that it all it all translates and you can bring all this all the knowledge i got most stuff i did machining and jewelry forms and all that stuff those are the guys that know how to really polish and do stuff i've discussed that before but hey i don't want to get too long-winded have a great weekend uh www.johnnyglocks.com is the website you can always email me at johnny johnnyglocks.com and text is better 941-376-4383 guys have a great weekend and remember trigger control is controlled

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Length: 24min 3sec (1443 seconds)

Published: Fri Jul 16 2021