Food Independence & Planetary Evolution: Zach Bush, MD | Rich Roll Podcast

[Music] all right let's get into it man so glad to have you have you back and I just wanted to before we even begin thank you for all the wisdom that you shared last time you were on the show to date it is definitely one of the most impactful if not the most impactful podcasts that I've done it's been listened to by hundreds of thousands of people not a day goes by where I don't get a message about it or a tweet even today somebody tweeted about it so it's exciting to have you back to go a little bit deeper well it's a thrill I think yeah it takes two to tango and it's your wisdom that kind of pulls this out of your your audience and your visitors so I appreciate all that you bring to this mission of public education really that you bring this podcast so well it's the least that I can do but you're you're in the trenches doing the real work I'm just the cypher here without you for those that are that are new you know we're gonna we're gonna dive deep but I don't want to entirely recap what we talked about last time everyone should definitely go back and listen to our first episode which I'll link up in the show notes but essentially your work kind of boils down to making the case for this profound link between environmental degradation and degenerative illness essentially and the distinction between the science of disease and the science of Health and looking at all of this from a 10,000 foot view in a very holistic sense from the soil all the way to cellular biology it's not fair enough it is yeah and it's a really a story of simplification in some ways and so I the education that we love to give our children and as well as our doctors as everything is complicated and yes the more complicated you make it then the more opportunities for subspecialization in knowledge and you know over the last decade my whole team scientists clinicians you know now farmers everybody else who's in on the mission we're finding out that biology in the end is the same thing over and over at fractal levels you know but you can't have human health on a planet that floats in the middle of a vacuum space that's so vast and not to have to come to terms with the fact that that human biology is just a small niche within this massive ecosystem of life yeah it's it's a conundrum because as human culture and society progresses and evolves it's almost natural law that we become more and more specialized and specialization has its advantages it allows a single individual or a small team to go very deep on a particular issue and we learn a lot about things that way that is the scientific method but what we sacrifice is that grander perspective the inter relation between all of these systems and the interplay and how that all kind of works together in this symphony that either is moving us towards health or away from health perfectly said and I think that lays out I mean in some ways that is the mission statement of the next you know three four decades in the last podcast together we outlined the science and data that we have mathematical models that we have around human survival and at our current pace we've got one in three males in the United States now sterile one in four women infertile and so you we're losing the ability to procreate as a species and on our current trajectory we've got about seventy years left of human life on earth and if you try to make the argument well only the unhealthy people are are dying so maybe it's the poorly educated maybe it's those with poor access to food and we can look across the sector's right now and say well it's just the deep south that's really tipping off or maybe it's the Native Americans or the Native Hawaiians or the Eskimos it's these native populations that are really suffering the worst well that was the case kind of an initial decade but now we see double PhD families with very high associated income with a kid with autism and two other kids with debilitating asthma allergies and anaphylaxis and learning and delays and everything else and so it's now crossed in all sectors of socioeconomics and it comes down to the fact that you might think that you can outsmart this thing maybe you've kind of found this niche socioeconomic niche or an educational niche that you feel like well I'm gonna be isolate like I understand human health is collapse and you understand you know social structures in the clouds but there's gonna be an enclave of humans that are gonna survive the Erewhon crowd yes exactly and so there's that I think there's a huge contingent that are in that hope and we can see what our billionaires are doing right and so our billionaires were making that bet and you got an Elon Musk and you've got you know bees oh so they're buying a plan for space travel you know they're building space stations to leave Earth and go repeat somewhere else you know and so if that's the game plan if that's the inner feel is like you know injecting himself with young people's blood and all kinds of stuff crazy rides going on in the hubris of this or the shortsightedness of this perhaps is that it's not about if human health was was an isolated event that it would make sense to put young human blood inside of an older person that would that should make you very youthful but of course it we've seen very little evidence of that actually sustains life the fact is that our biology keeps proving in the labs is it's the microbiome it's these invisible ports parts of the biology on earth that actually are the inherent physiologic building blocks of human health mm-hmm the the chronological age of a human being is not its biologic age and so you might say I just got stem cells from a 15 year old well unfortunately a 15 year old today as a biology of a 60 year old in the nineteen fifties aren't really true you can see this degradation in all kinds of elements within the biology most of all and in the rate of healing and so we walk around with a very simple ratio a simple ratio of rate of injury and rate of repair and that's that's everything that's aging process that's chronic disease that's any process an acute injury if your healing rate is at the same pace as that acute injury you might be sore for a couple hours and then you're gonna be better if you start to see that rate of injury outstrip the rate of repair then you see degradation using rapid aging in the 1960s the entire US population of all ages have carried chronic disease diagnosis in four percent of the population today 2015 numbers we don't have anything more recent than to rely on yet but 2015 we see 46 percent of our children with chronic disease yeah I saw that statistic it's it's shocking I mean you you paint a very dystopian you know almost sci-fi movie you know view on the prognosis of the human race just to kind of go back to what we glossed over very casually a couple moments ago these infertility rates are insane like that's really true that what is it one out of twenty four one two three males and one in four women are having fertility issues that's something that you don't hear a lot about you would think that might be front and center of something like the Centers for Disease Control or the National Institutes of Health that might come and sort of added statistics for sure yeah I mean these are yeah these are large studies that are screening problems like and these are not even new statistics like polycystic ovarian syndrome which is the leading cause of infertility in women right now in the US and other parts of the world it's actually chemical toxicity and other things coming into play and I think chemical toxicity is kind of at the root of PCOS as well but solid polycystic ovarian syndrome even back around 2008 2010 we were seeing one in four girls in America and so it's these are not even new numbers they're not even numbers that would be a statistic that's row up on a headline anymore because the data's old and so the numbers may be more dismal than we see for the large part because even our numbers that we see one in four girls with PCOS well those are studies looking at girls that are you know captured through some sort of Public Health Program which of course we have a horrible track record in this country of doing Universal screening I think if you universally screen all the girls in an inner-city environment now you would find even higher rates of infertility in that Wow and so we have a really stark reality today but on the flip side of that dystopian possibility is the opposite view that if we change our relationship to nature such that we go into a co-creative process with Mother Nature and we can do this through regenerative agriculture of the foundation so if we go into a regenerative agriculture concept not just in our soil science but in our human biology I think we could very rapidly in the next 200 years see the entire Earth you know being a verdant Garden of Eden where humans have figured out how to co-create within nature that our technological advances and and continued specialization perhaps and all these things lead to co-creative processes that that augment nature or work within nature's processes so just topia meets extreme optimism yeah and I think that's that's the struggle right and in some ways we're in a battle right now for for morale yeah we have a lot of people with brilliant solutions at hand but they're fighting against a common paradigm that is keeping the rate of progress at a crawl yeah I call it an arms race it really is and there's a ticking clock here it's an interesting it's another conundrum it's like this mashup of brilliant minds who are making giant leaps forward in terms of longevity science you know extraterrestrial exploration like you name it we're we're in the midst of this extraordinary period in history where we're seeing breakthroughs at a breakneck pace at the sea excuse me at the same time there are such strong powerful well-funded forces working day and night to enforce a status quo that is rapidly leading to the denigration of our environment our planet human health all for the sake of short-term monetary goals for lack of a better word or quarterly earnings reports yeah and who's gonna win right and I think if we have a chance at prevailing it's gonna require a grassroots movement of people really waking up and taking an active role in not only educating themselves about what actually is going on but getting involved in making that change possible represent agree and one thing that I continue to be encouraged and uplifted by is watching as as you and many others help my message and science get out there wider it's putting me in contact with circles of people that are more and more not only accepting but really in tensioning the discovery of what are the solutions that we need at hand and so I'm increasingly encouraged that at all elements like last two weeks ago I was in Telluride and and speaking to five classes of high school students and these kids not only got the message they were in they left feeling like there was a new sense of purpose at the high school level of what they need to do in the next thirty years to contribute to the survival of humanity yeah you were at that what was the ideas fast for something like original thinkers yeah I had a couple friends and podcast guests that were participating in that and my friend Colin was like a tea master and a Chinese traditional Chinese medicine doctor came back and he's like manner this guy's act was she was gonna blow your mind I go yeah that guy's coming back to the body so yeah it's getting out there which is cool and I want to work our way towards towards the solution that you that you kind of introduced there but let's let's immerse ourselves a little bit more deeply in in the weeds of what's actually going on i mean you you mentioned the fertility the declining fertility rates i looked at a couple other alarming statistics one out of every two men and one out of every three women will suffer some form of cancer diagnosis during their lifetimes not including skin cancer the autism rates have doubled in the last six years now it's one out of every 36 kids is correct that's great of course depression anxiety these things are ubiquitous 46 percent as you mentioned of kids have a chronic health issue and there's projections that by 2030 one out of every three children will be diagnosed somewhere on the autism spectrum it's insane and that's not even getting into heart disease diabetes obesity a common ones right yeah yeah it's not even getting into those and so you know we can debate the biology and the chronic disease is all day long but even if we were off by a hundred percent on those numbers like what if we were a logarithm off on those numbers the fact is is even today if we if we froze progress where we are today with the rates of chronic disease we have in the the financial burden that's putting on our country we're in an insoluble state already I think our national military and defense budget which includes things like homeland security and bunch of other stuff in there it's some around seven hundred billion dollars a year and that's a lot of money to spend on being isolationist and maybe being a bully around the world but it pales and given comparison to the three and a half trillion dollars that were spent is spending on chronic disease management so we are you know sometimes you know somewhere in the ballpark of four to four to five times more on chronic disease than we are on defense and I've spoken to one of the authors of Carter's 2000 reports so Jimmy Carter in late 70s commissioned a whole team of brilliant economists agricultural experts education experts the technological experts everything else and they were supposed to write this for 2000 report that would tell us in 1978 what's going to be happening in the year 2000 what do we need to be ready for to be competitive as a nation on the national stage so brilliant forward-looking thing I think is really one of the few presents that had the foresight to look far beyond where his presidency could have ever been relevant to that story and in that commissioning when I talked to the author of it you know he's he's now in his you know mid to late 70s and he said you know that the biggest shock to everybody who wrote that paper was how they nailed everything they really didn't miss in 1978 they they predicted the technological boom the they even had iterations of the internet predicted they had all kinds of profound foresight onto what was happening and he said the only thing they completely missed was the chronic disease explosion mmm nobody could have possibly predicted that at that time that humans could have gone from four percent to forty six percent of our children with chronic disease you know or four percent entire population to forty six percent of our chronic disease our children and so that that is why we're economically failing is the great minds that have been looking forward 30 to 50 years for saw a lot of what we wouldn't need financially to stay soluble but nobody saw this doubling and doubling and doubling of the the the health care budget and you know all of the reshuffling of the deck chairs that we've seen with Obama's administration well of course going back to the Clinton administration their effort at health care reform Obama finally pulling that together after Bush kind of disassembled the Clinton effort and now we see Trump this is some this is something Obama's effort the fact is not a single element at no moment in their did we create a soluble plan for the health care industry and so all we're doing is reeling deck chairs on how are we going to continue to sustain this rate of growth of expense it costs us six to eight percent more every year to take care of the chronic disease in this country and so you can fast for a decade and you can see that rate of doubling coming quick and so at this rate we'll be spending somewhere around five trillion dollars a year on health care by 2025 you know so with our next president is going to face that kind of crisis at the financial level and now you start to picture what would it look like if one and three children were autistic in 2035 just if that was the only disease that existed it would us financially it takes um two to three people to provide for one disabled individual over the course of their life and so you're taking out you know this huge you know two of those children left to take care of their peer for the lifetime of that appear meanwhile being coupled with the largest geriatric population in history that has a cancer rate of 70% and so that is a grim picture is it's beyond fathoming of what we would have to do financially right now and and laying on top of that just our basic systemic structure for dealing with this isn't healthcare it's sick care it's basically managing disease and diagnosing and prescribing without much thought or or intention being placed into what's causing these illnesses and preventing them before they arise yeah yeah and if we tackle it from the Western medical standpoint which is we need to figure out the biology of cancer we need to figure out the biology of autism we need to figure out the biology of all these different seemingly disparate disease processes because they affect different parts of our body that's been the you know the billion-dollar pursuit of all the pharmaceutical industries and all of our universities for 50 years now if we had to wait for that tall untangle well I'll be dead long dead before that all happens there's no way that our species will survive that slow pace of processing because what we're looking at as scientists are human cells that are highly damaged in a petri dish that is sterile completely isolated away from an ecosystem by that very definition of how we do science we don't understand what human life looks like in the context of an ecosystem and so we're so flawed at the basic level of exploration that we will never find the solutions and so we've known since 2005 with the first genetic kind of untangling of the genome of the microbiome so looking at all the genes of all the different species of bacteria fungi parasites everything else that lives in your gut we got snapshots of that very clearly by 2005 by 2010 it was very clear that every cancer that happens in human body can be correlated with missing some portion of that microbiome you know here we are you know almost I'm pushing on 15 years later and nobody in the cancer realm is talking about replacing your microbiome to get rid of your cancer they are attacking chemo surgery radiation exact same story that exists in 1968 and so we have not progressed the clinical science because we don't have a way to take this basic information of ecosystem data there's an ecosystem a micro flora there's this isolated human being because our mechanisms of studying are in this isolated space of the petri dish we can we can't put those two pieces of data together right in anything coherent story and so that's where our lab has tried to jump out of that petri dish space and start working instead with the farmers to start looking at the lineage of health and watching soil regenerate is very encouraging and I think it tells us something about the human journey that we have we can lay out ahead which is where we built a nonprofit called farmers footprint now and all of our money from our biotech companies and everything else is pouring into you know supporting this bigger mission of the farmers and so we're now on the ground with farmers all up and down the Midwest from Minnesota down to the Mississippi Delta where we've dumped the vast majority of the roundup and glyphosate and done them the most decimation on earth and he soil on the planet and working with them on the ground we've seen that you know every year that they've done chemical farming their crop yields fit and drop and I think we covered that a little bit in last podcast but that dropping yield was something I had read about and by the time this you know this past February were shooting this documentary up there we got to see it in real real time in June July middle of the burden your growing season you try to throw a shovel in chemical farming soil and it's like concrete there's no is your it's a solid brick that you're trying to push the shovel into you have no aeration you have no earthly application as an amazing statistic it came from one of our farmers who's doing farm training for farmers stop spraying roundup a single application around up in a field will kill 50 percent of the earthworm population 50 percent down with one spray they spray multiple times in the year over and over over and over and you fast-forward 20 years you got no earthworm's left which means you have no air down under the soil which means you've lost the architecture and the aerobic environment you need for them the micro rise a which is it looks almost like coral reef mycorrhizae are these beautiful hair like fibrils that grow up through the soil and they provide just like the coral reef the home for the bacteria the fungal elements isola and scaffolding or the architecture upon which they adhere it's the ultra structure of life right down there in the soil and and that's gone and then it's in a chemical form so we went into this mission to say everybody needs to eat organic well it was devastating by end of our trip in February we find out that the organic farms throughout the vast majority of the US are using tilling which is what all the chemical farms do - they till their ground so you drive by these if you've ever flown or dried and driven over the Midwest and wintertime it's just fields and fields of fields of black soil mm-hmm there's nothing growing and it's not covered it's totally exposed that's a tilled field when we till we we use a mechanical process rather than a chemical process disrupt all the earthworms kill all the earthworms kill the micro eyes they all that through killing it turns out that when you switch from chemical farming over to an organic process one of the things that tends to happen you start to over tell you start to tell more because you want to spray the weeds you try to tell the weed into the ground so - what is the intention behind tilling what is the what is that trying to accomplish it's interesting when you ask the farmers you know because my mindset was it must be to get rid of the weeds but it's actually an aesthetic the farmers actually just think it looks better and so the landowners that the farmers are often leasing from want to see a well taken care of farm and in their mind massive landowner and and it's interesting that our farmers no longer own their land right and so we've taken that land away from the family farms they're no now owned by a hundred thousand acre million acre plots by some massive conglomerate or or maybe some wealthy person who doesn't have a clue really about farming perhaps and often leads to some form of an legal indentured servitude its indentured servitude and we can go into detail and the amount of death that the relationship between the bank's the landowners and the and the farmers is extraordinarily insidious it's just it's got everything frozen and petrified in the in ancient processes because they can't move forward financially but if we just take a look at that that simple belief that a plowed field or a tilled field looks clean if that's what the farmer says I can't not tell my land in the fall because then my landowners gonna think I'm a bad farmer and so it's this just simple and you're like seriously like you know you're doing damage to the to the soil but but you do it anyways and then some of them say it's also a great form of relaxation and meditation for me to be out in the field because there's looks kind of messy and I can just drive along for hours a day and I can look back and I said just did all that I just clean that whole thousand acre swath over the last week and it looks spotless now and so there's the they literally do it for entertainment they do it for our sense of accomplishment they don't do it because it's good for the soil they don't do it because they think they should to grow more crops they know it doesn't increase their crop yield and so when we go in to educate these farmers need support on every level they need support to say a farm shouldn't look like what our modern farms look like you have freedom to go make a farm look like whatever it needs to look like to grow healthy soil but to do that like we said you got to get the banks involved and these these farmers are you know the the farmers that we're featuring in our first docu-series with farmers footprint are to still own their family farm and so these are 350 to 400 350 to a thousand acre farms that have been in their family for at least four or five generations but are these on the like the sort of Joel Salatin model no just traditional times EMI farmers now I got you and so they drank the kool-aid in the 1990s that they were gonna be able to grow more soybean and corn so these were already big big time commodity growing farms by the 1980s you know and interestingly it's been generations sometimes since these guys grew gardens you know they've large monoculture commodities for one or two or three generations and so and you know the first form we are featuring we're one of the first adopters of the Roundup Ready GMO crop in 1996 and farmers measure their entire not only success as a farm but their self-worth by how many bushels of soybeans they get out of their soybean plants up that year and they'll all tell you they all lie you know and that's it's just this funny culture just like fishermen they all get together and somehow the fish got four inches long yeah it's this story of like well it was really 29 bushels an acre but 35 sounds reasonable so I'll throw that in at the bar I got 35 bushels an acre and so they all kind of Josh each other behind the scenes like yeah and we always fudge each other because nobody wants to tell the real story which is their dads were growing 40 to 45 bushels an acre and at 40 and 45 bushels an acre they they were making ends meet in 1992 1993 1996 rolls around Monsanto rolls in and says we're gonna be able to increase your crop field by six seven eight percent great that sounds amazing because dad's not making much money and it's hard for me to think about staying on the farm as the next generation so we'll do that so they jump in and even within the first year soybean yields went down not up and so they went back to Monsanto comes to sell them seed the next year and say it didn't work like in Monsanto every year it turns out and I didn't know this as a consumer but every year or every two years they would continue to come back and say we've region ethically modified this this has got a new you know twist on it that's gonna increase yield in the seed in the seed and so it was this this constant reiteration of the same story that never came to fruition there corn yields never went up and that's not what we're told as consumers we're told that we need GMO because it increases how we're gonna feed the plant is gonna have this is how we are feeding the plant everything yields across the world and we're you know we are we are responsible for the ability for farmers to produce on a level that they would not be able to without us corn yields never went up swiping went down consistently and so this farm after 15 years of GMO farming had dropped to below 30 bushels an acre there at 26 bushels an acre so pushing half of their yield that dad used to get with with normal conventional seed that had no genetic modification process in it meanwhile in that 15 year period the banks had drank the same kool-aid that that conventional seed was dangerous because it didn't yield as much and the banks know that the farmer can't pay back their their loans that they have to take out every year to buy the commodities on the front end and so the so they think that the farmers going to go out of business if they use a low yield seed which we've bitten they've been told just like the farmer is going to be a conventional seed so the loans become contingent upon chemical farming yeah and so now the banks think you have to chemically farm if you're going to survive and not but you have farmer students telling you telling the bank that look my yields are dropping every year apparently there's a few community banks that are starting to realize just watching the data come in that this isn't working but they're having a hard time getting out from under because actually most of those small banks are actually you know within the the arm of some large bank that needs to be convinced otherwise as well and so the bureaucracy is cranking along again super slow to see any need for change meanwhile the farmers are losing their farms and you really you and I not being not carrying on our father's tradition of income can't really I think psychologically understand the pressure these guys know yeah I mean I am I am part of that you know erawan generation you know I'm somebody who's so disconnected from what that life must be like I can I can attempt to sympathize but I can hardly empathize with how difficult that must be to even just survive under what is essentially the stranglehold of this gigantic almost monopolistic corporate entity known formerly as Monsanto and now is bear that is pulling the strings and controlling every aspect of food from seed all the way to the pharmaceuticals to treat the diseases that it produces and I think it would be good too we explored this at length last time but if somebody's tuning in for the first time there they will be inspired to go back and listen to our first conversation but I think it would be good to just briefly contextualize this this whole debate and argument around Monsanto and and glyphosate by briefly tracking the history of how this came to be to produce the situation that we now find ourselves in yeah so Monsanto was a chemical company that was developing chemical warfare for throughout the 1950s and 60s and so they were very involved in the development of chemicals like Agent Orange and these things that we were using to defoliate the jungles of Vietnam so that we could see the the Viet Cong better and exposed the Ho Chi Minh Trail and do our bombings more accurately and so they were part of this mission to you know kill life before they got into the farming in history and so there's a long track record there for that company wanting to kill biology and they you know Vietnam was wrapping up in the early 70s they were losing market share there quickly and so they were looking for more mundane ways to make money and they found this patent for what would become glyphosate and roundup as old patent is from like 59 1959 written created by a Japanese scientist who kept it on a shelf wisely and and didn't think there was a safe human application for it I think and so that that can patent got purchased and they were trying to use it actually to D clogged sewer lines initially it's a potent key later it pulls mineral out of whatever it touches which is probably not what you want to do to soil right but nonetheless they were putting this in pipes to chelate and try to clear clogged pipes from mineral deposit trying to work quite well for unclog the pipes but when it came out the other end of the pipe it was killing all the life in the pond and around the the ponds and everything else and so then that gave them the idea of it looks like a pretty potent herbicide and so they put it back into play as a weed killer and so that then quickly marched in 1980s we see that get approved for direct-to-consumer sales and so you remember the big Super Bowl commercials with guys the backpacks have roundup with the pistol grip sprayers and they walked out and they spray five dandelions in their driveway and then they walk back in with dramatic soundtrack and so that direct consumer message put a gallon of Roundup in every single garage in suburban America what wasn't mentioned in those commercials as its water soluble toxin and it just got sprayed onto your driveway which is washing right down into your gutter which goes right to your municipal water system and so by the by the end of the 80s we're drinking roundup from I think the majority from homeowners not even farmers and so we start drinking this chemical not having any clue that it's there or any clue that it would be dangerous because the tagline for Monsanto was safer than water mm-hmm well at this point Monsanto actually published in late 80s the the cancer-causing effects of this compound glyphosate roundup and they were studying in mice and they were showing major birth defects and cancers and sarcomas weird things and so this is their own data and they published that and that's still in the public domain you can go find Monsanto's original things if you can't find it then Stephanie sunette from MIT has done a great job of kind of putting a library together of those those original Monsanto documents and so they knew it was toxis but I think the reason they were comfortable in that out is the threshold at which they thought that was going to be harmful they didn't think they'd ever reach because in 1988 and 87 when they were publishing that stuff I don't think they could have believed that they would be able to genetically modify a crop by 1996 that would handle that and so it was just being used as a spot sprayer the amount and water everything else was quite Trace because at that time before they'd manipulated the seed population if they used too much it would just kill the part you lay on the right corn-soybean kills any plant you spray it on right and says a non-selective herbicide really you know and so I think that you know they couldn't have even foreseen their own success in some ways in the late 80s and so they were publishing that data saying that it might be toxic at these higher levels but when would we ever be able to use that medicine that glyphosate in the world by 1992 was when we started spraying it directly on crops and so it started being sold as a desiccant or a drying agent to the wheat weed is the only staple crop that you want dead before you can harvest him and so they were spraying wheat in northern climates initially and now it's kind of gone worldwide and every single year since 1992 we've sprayed more acres of wheat with glyphosate and it dries it quick and it allows you if you have bad weather coming you can kill it quickly and harvest it three days later so that you can get your wheat harvested before it rains or before the water comes so there's a lot of you know economic incentive to the farmer to desiccate the wheat at times not a lot not all wheat farmers use it but enough American acreage got covered in this that we started to eat glyphosate and gluten in the same bite and so that's really the development of gluten sensitivity started right around 92 and with each acre extra that we sprayed with Roundup we saw the increase in not only including sensitivity but the autoimmune disease celiac disease so what is the interplay between glyphosate and and gluten sensitivity yeah so my my PhD that works in my lab and at the University of Virginia is a brilliant brilliant geneticist dr. John Gill day he has done an extensive work in areas of hypertension and cancer and all kinds of things but he really has been the the smartest mind that we have behind understanding the role of glyphosate in the human biology and his science has been incredibly landmark in that he's recognizing that the glyphosate injury of the gut lining which is induces a hypoxic injury as soon as you exposed the gut lining to to the glyphosate chemical you get this lack of oxygen injury to the gut lining and one of the results of that to be the overexpression of CXC r3 which is a receptor to the gluten compound gliadin and so now you grab that with that gluten breakdown product and it induces the production of something called zon Yulin Sanyal Innokin ZUP the tight Junction via this unzippering of the whole gut lining and now you have leaky gut and so it's this sensitization of the gut lining to glyphosate that creates the receptor that would even grab the gluten compound to cause a problem and so that's is really why we've been able to have gluten in our diet for thousands of years without any measurable you know immune impact and then suddenly in the 1990s we have a huge swath maybe 15 20 % by then now we're looking at maybe 60 70 % of the American population with some form of gluten sensitivity and so just an amazing you know that's amazing and that's is that also why you hear anecdotally like how I go to Italy and I have pizza or I have pasta and I feel fine yeah you know terrible crisps on on the streets of France you feel fine no problem come back to the states you have one piece of bread and you've got brain fog for three days that that is the reality is that you know Europe's done a good job of reducing the amount of roundup sprayed in their current in their countries unfortunately they did get infiltrated by the GMO world but you know France has vowed that they're gonna be you know GMO free within the next couple years Russia has made actually the strongest stance on that that they're gonna be GMO free and a fully organic nation but I think they said 2025 or something like that so it's bananas that's Russia having that mindset that you know we this is the most important thing we could do for national security as Russia would be to create an organic thing and I feel the same way for the United States as an American I feel like my highest duty that I have is to help this nation get to health security again if we don't it doesn't matter what we do with the military what we do with our our stance on you know our international political relationships or anything else it just doesn't matter we can't contend on an international level in 10 or 15 years because we're broke we're already the deepest in detonation that exists and and yet you know we continue to leverage leverage leverage largely because we have so much debt on the health care yeah it's it's devastating but there's been some interesting developments since we last spoke kind of fast-forwarding through this Monsanto timeline to current of course we have the big landmark Monsanto trial that resulted in a two hundred and what was it eighty nine million dollar verdict for that groundskeeper who had non-hodgkins lymphoma who prevailed at trial and that spurred I think at the time there were maybe eight hundred or a thousand lawsuits pending now there's something like eight thousand mm-hmm right so what is there's a there's a couple things I want to talk about but like what is the import of that decision how is this going to play out what's it gonna look like when the rest of these these cases go before juries first of all I don't I mean huge huge interesting landmark cases you say it was the first case out of the many thousands that have been brought before that one that was allowed to go to jury and the thing that was you know really allowed to go to jury was not just the science of why this guy got non-hodgkins lymphoma which is the most common cancer associated with glyphosate the lymphomas and leukemias are the easiest ones to track back to the glyphosate injury but the the judge was the first to allow data to go forward that Monsanto had known that this was a cancer-causing agent since the 80s and that that data could be put into the core place for the first time and he didn't the burden of proof wasn't that he had to prove beyond beyond you know he didn't have to definitively prove that his non-hodgkins resulted directly from glyphosate it was had had to be a contributing factor I think was how they adjudicated it yeah and it's very difficult even if that is a clearer pathway than other cancers how do you specifically I mean that's a very heavy burden to shoulder to say well this is what you don't I mean if you're smoking to say I got lung cancer from cigarettes even you can't definitively prove that right and so exactly they prevail yeah we still haven't had a class-action lawsuit on cigarettes and lung cancer right and so you're exactly right and you know it's optimistic as I tend to try to be I I'm not sure that that's that verdicts gonna be allowed to stand I mean there and keep appealing until they can until the cows come home I think in the reality but the the realist in my brain has to step back for a second and say why now why suddenly after thousands of efforts did this case be allowed to go to trial why suddenly did Monsanto be want you know let this thing get to the point where they're paying out 200 million dollars to an individual what could possibly be the rationale for that and if we back up for maybe a less optimistic standpoint we can say the major event that happened within weeks or months ahead of that trial going forward was the sale of Monsanto to a foreign entity and so bear the largest pharmaceutical company in the world arguably but certainly in Germany purchased Monsanto for 67 million dollar there were something billion dollars right and so that's sixty seven billion dollars moves you know the the court environment I think to a different district right and so I think whatever you know impending stuff we have right now is yeah I don't know if anybody outside of the the deal makers for the Monsanto Bears they've seen it but I've a feeling there's if we took a look at all that paperwork we could see that there's gonna be you know a time period in which case these court cases will be allowed to move forward and then suddenly bear is gonna be completely untouchable and within days of the completion of the the merger or the purchase of Monsanto they dissolved the legal entity of Monsanto right they've retired that time the name they dissolved the entity they just made it disappear and so now we have all these cases against Monsanto that is now not lost and it's a standing issue now yeah right and so I think it answered one of my biggest questions right before all of that on my biggest question was why is Monsanto selling itself for sixty seven billion dollars they provide seed to 85 to 90 percent of our commodities the United States their worth has to be far greater than the sixty billion dollars and so how could they be selling themselves for pennies on the dollar to a foreign entity what would be the impetus behind that number one maybe they saw the writing on the wall said this is not looking good there's too much data public sentiment is stacking up against us higher and higher every year we need to just cut and run get out from underneath this situation but it's also possible that there's a bigger situation at play which is again the international commodities market and the Monsanto you know by 2002 we had hit 85 percent of our corn and 95% of our soy bean grown by GMO if that wasn't if it wasn't that hit those numbers of a 2002 so in 2006 we had hit those and so we've seen this huge domination of the single seed source for us calm eyes but now if you look in the developing world it's India you've got China you've got Australia buried in it New Zealand Brazil's one of the largest importers of it and say you've got swathes of the entire or 7 billion people in the world that are consuming some sort of GMO crop from this single source so sixty six billion dollars sounds like a lot of money to you and I but it's a pittance compared to that global commodities environment in the years right before the move for Bayer to go purchase Monsanto they got approval from EU regulators as well as the US EPA and USDA to go in with a new genetically modified crop and nobody's talked about this crop in the u.s. our farmers know it's there because we're growing it in the Midwest already it's called Liberty link and so it used to be Roundup Ready crops from Monsanto but now it's Liberty link from Bayer Liberty link is a creepy enough name to it anyways but Liberty link it turns out is a different genetic modification to allow for a different herbicide to be applied to the crop and the mechanism of action is same concept where it's blocking the production of amino acid which is the building blocks for life but it's blocking a very specific one in this case it blocks the enzyme that makes gluten glutamine and and this this happens to be an extremely important piece of innumerable endocrine functions innumerable functions of you know cellular biology but most profoundly perhaps is fertility human fertility to pound this amino acid so this is the this is the next evolution of roundup this is the next evolution of GMO crops and it's growing in your Midwest United States right now and it's owned by Bayer and so that got weird slice wheat it's it's a corn soybean now going across they can put it in any you know anything they want and at this point I think but it's the big staple crops that they're growing corn and soybean particularly but sugar beets and all those are well on the way you know so but corn soybean already being grown in the u.s. under this new new crop treatment which is blocking the ability of that food to carry these essential amino acids into the into the food chain so we have simultaneous fronts on a fronts on our soil systems and then we have the human health impact of ingesting all of these crops on a mass scale which is disrupting our endocrine systems it's destroying our microbiome like explain a little bit about how this is leading to all of these degenerative chronic illnesses that we're seeing yeah so you know I think to finish off that political thought I just before my brain can move on is it makes sense that if you've got a new commodity that could take over the majority of the world but you're gonna in direct competition for month with Monsanto who's already mastered 85 and 90 percent of the farm environment to make the move to purchase that companies a no-brainer because it gives you the opportunity to become you know monopolies across both it's amazing that you passed antitrust muster I don't think it got even evaluated I don't understand how somebody could have honestly said they did an ant evaluation I mean I think when we were here before the when you were here before the merger was pending but it hadn't fully gone I thought I was gonna fall because of the antitrust issues I didn't think there was a way that it we not only that I just assumed especially because of our current administration having such a nationalistic you know agenda apparently I couldn't believe the last time we talked that it was gonna be allowed to go through because what American president would want to have that on their track record that they allowed eighty five ninety percent of art are commodity crops to be owned by a foreign entity and it's patently anti-competitive because there is no competitor no competitor no competitor and so how it could not have been considered monopoly is beyond me I think they must have found some loophole around that issue of well we have to feed the world I have a feeling that's how they started through well what is the lobbying budget of Monsanto or Bayer for that matter the GDP of a small European nation sure yeah and they're at multiple levels right because it's not just food to Mai's they're also also in energy right because we've used up and raped our most fertile soils in the United States for the production of ethanol for our cars and so Monsanto has been playing on multiple sectors politically and so they're not just food and AG they're they're energy and you know spread across into even military budgets I'm sure because of the provision of ethanol to the military so and now it's Pharma and now it's farmer and so you've and farmers not new to Monsanto by the way pharmaco own Monsanto although back in the 1990s and so when that when we went to genetic modification of crops we already were own and our our food chain was already owned by the pharmaceutical industry by the time and so Monsanto has been owned repetitively by the pharmaceutical companies and so I think Bayer is making the play now is a big pharmaceutical company you own the global food chain and make this weird play for Liberty link it's just gluten you know we're gonna block this amino acid so now why have I never heard of that if they purposely just not publicize that and given it this jingoistic patriotic name to make people feel good about it well I think now I'm predicting the future and I don't know and but my prediction is we're gonna see a whole bunch of killer cases now allowing to go to case to go to court because I think bear wants everybody to now admit that that GMO roundup crops are terrible for your health so they can pull it off the market quicker and look like the white knights coming in with liberty legacy well you're absolutely right we see you know Monsanto who refused to tell you this but we own them now and we're telling you our science and our review of all of their data is saying it's definitely causing cancer we're sorry Mia culpa and that puts an end on all of the voices setting aside some crazy war chests to settle all these cases they haven't I'm sure they did because if I mean look at how much they're making just off of GMO crops that are still selling Monsanto seed and so even if the sixty six billion bought the company they can there they've got the income to offset the court cases with that they may have you know if you looked at the amount of income expected from Monsanto and multiply that by the typical 5x for the valuation of their company we might find that the war chest was built right into that as a fudge factor since they may have been worth two hundred billion dollars and they they sold for sixty six billion and said hey we could pay a hundred billion dollars of lawsuits and still at the end of all that we pull that Monsanto GMO crop off the market and we put Liberty link in play and so they already have I think there's no way a company and his biggest Bears not gonna have an end game in play when Monsanto is already all tied up in these lawsuits well the lobbying arm is certainly healthy at this point I just got an email today from ewg Environmental Working Group it was a letter penned by Erin Brockovich about how how the farm bill that's uh that's up for renewal has a provision in it that would allow locality that would strip away the purview of localities to ban glyphosate yeah so this is still you know this is a war that's being fought constantly on multiple battle fronts yeah I mean I've had people at the municipal level at city levels begging for our science to be taken to their local school board to stop spraying the school yard with Roundup you know and you know are not are just our group there's hundreds of scientists around the world that are trying to help with this mission but to see so much resistance down there yeah I got a call a couple weeks ago from this woman who was trying to make this fight and they present all this science to the school board and they brought in a Monsanto sales rep to to be there and the Monsanto's sales rep just got or it pulled the Trump maneuver it sounds like we're just got more and more angry the whole time red-faced this is foolish this this woman's uh you know has no educational background she's bringing all the science like she knows what she's talking about baba doing this and his final closing statement was roundup is so safe that I would be happy for my son to lick the grass right after it's sprayed and so as a scientist having looked at glyphosate that's child abuse yeah that's flat-out ridiculous statement knowing what we know about this but that emotional argument overcame everything and schoolyard still being sprayed with Roundup and so it's it's the emotionality of the human brain that's one of our biggest challenges right now and so we also don't want to really believe that this is going on on such a mass scale like we want to just say there's no way it could be that unsafe we would never have allowed it to get to this point we're smarter than that certainly HEA the cover yelling the EPA has looked at this there's been a million trials everybody says it's safe you guys are crazy conspiracy theorists and I think that's been kind of the paradigm for a long time and we are seeing that shift you know people are taking your point of view and the point of view of so many scientists that are allied with your perspective in a way that we weren't seeing even a couple years ago and I think that court case you know goes a long way towards letting credence to what's actually happening I totally agree and I think the the snowball is rolling and that's why we've seen this transaction for Monsanto debayer I think that the public sentiment as Papa continues to educate itself more and more through you know open channels will realize that we've known this for a long time and it's no different than the tobacco situation was in the 1960s to 2000 that forty years scientists were trying to sue the tobacco companies for lung cancer and for the damage to kids immune systems and you know all kinds of horrible things for 40 years that we were at it you know with the data coked-out is our product and you know it was that emotional thing of like well tobacco's how we built our nation you know the deep south and everything else like it was part of the Americana the Marlboro Man was the the image of American strength and so it was so entwined in our psyche and in our identity that it took a long time to untangle that in the same way our identity is so tangled up around this belief that we are the best food growers in the world and so to dismantle that belief that humility that it takes to say we're growing the worst food on the planet the least nutrient delivery of any food system in the world perhaps the only other place where we see were that where South Cummins nutritionally our people that just can't get access to food period and I want to bring it to that because again this argument that keeps coming up in the world of what we have to feed seven billion people so we have to do chemical farming hay crop yields decline not increase when you do long term chemical farming be one of the great farmers that were working with in the Midwest now know hiyo he says today in the world seventy percent of humans of the seven billion people on the planet are fed by a peasant farmer hmm and that's humbling mm-hmm you know if only 30 percent of humanity is actually eating from a large-scale farm then what is the hubris that we need organic or non-organic chemical farming to feed the world so what is preventing these farmers from making this switch it seems like they're they're aware that their yields are going down they have some you know sense that this is not working is it because they're locked in through debt structures that they can't escape this paradigm to do it another way death structure 100% yes but there's something more insidious at play that we didn't understand until we were on the ground with these farmers is that in any culture and in the state where you know 85 to 90 percent of the ground is under chemical farming there is a collective subconscious agreement or contract socially in that farm community that you don't talk about this you certainly don't tell anybody that your crop yield has been decreasing for 15 years you certainly don't tell anybody that you think chemical farming is hurting your children and causing the birth defects that you're seeing in your kids and certainly you know we've seen the most redness of disease happening on these farms these farmers families are so sick major brain malformations and these children that are being born while their father you know had this tearful father come up to me when I was giving the talk the science talk on roundup in Minnesota was in in July and he and his wife came up right after my talk and by this time was dark we were out a field when I was giving this talk in a field and the birds had settled us down and it was like crickets at night and it was a bucolic stuff but the the tension in the dark with all these farmers are about 100 farmers sitting around in the dark listening to this and they came up in the dark and said you know you just answered the biggest question but we have to ask this just straight to you is that the week that we conceived our child I was spraying roundup and I was literally drenched in and I was my clothes that come in in the evenings and I was covered and everything else and our child was born with this defect where it has no connection between left and right hemispheres of the brain and so he's very has all these developmental delays and has difficulty walking and all these things that he'll have to face the rest of his life do you think it's possible that and me being a covered with chemicals throughout that that those weeks previous to conception I did my sperm or her egg or do that damage happened due to the chemical exposure and just you know being present and saying you know just like the lung cancer we don't need to put the responsibility on this second of your action with glyphosate but what we can say as population this is exactly what's happening all of us under the pressure of the chemicals and so the farmers are not it's not theoretical for them it's not a banking problem they have a collapse of their own family are in infrastructure going on their children have attention deficit allergies asthma some many of the farmers that have children under the age of teenagers who we talked to won't let their kids out during the summer because the plains spray are flying over all day long spraying their neighbours crops and their crops and everything else and so then if their kids go out they've got asthma there have breathing problems by the evening that little eyes or bloodshot because they're just so much chemical in the air and so the kids are here we think of this bucolic farmland kids running around in the countryside they're locked in these you know you know mildew filled trailers basically all summer long trying to survive the chemical warfare that's happening around them throughout the summer growing months then so you've got this financial lock-in with the banks you've got health collapse happening in the family you've got the emotional tension of I have to look at my dad every day and tell him that we're losing the farm that he's had since his great-grandfather farmed this land you got all this emotional family tension and then on top of that you have the the community pressure the peer pressure and so if you decide to make the jump and stop chemical spraying and go to a regenerative agriculture you're immediately socially ostracized nobody will talk to your church nobody's talking you at the bar nobody's talking to the bank because just by making that jump you just made a judgment call on everybody else Wow that's the person yeah I I wouldn't have even thought we didn't even think of it yeah and at to the last farm when we talked to that's the biggest number one reason they won't go regenerative AG is they have no community and even if they did or they could if they could break free of the debt structure if they could navigate the you know social landmines that are involved in that they're dealing with a plot of land that's been depleted thus they would have to regenerate the soil before they could even conceivably grow anything in an organic manner right like yes short of move finding already in our arsenal it's a it's a burden that that that I would imagine is just too unmanageable they can't see the way out because the chemical industry has told them that it takes more than 10 years to build half a centimeter of soil so to regenerate half a centimeter to a centimeter or soil as I said 10 years well they're losing inches of soil a year we're in the biggest Dust Bowl in history right now and how much of that can be is attributable to chemicals versus just mono cropping and not allowing you know not not rotating crops and all of these other abilities yeah the over tilling is as equally as damaging to the soil architecture as the spray that's quite clear and so we can't just be organic certified that's not enough we have to go to regen AG standards where we actually build soil not till soil and so we hadn't need to go to a no-till organic technique and this is being taught all over the country by some very intrepid farmers who are out there they've converted over a million acres quietly over the last decade 15 years until regenerative agricultural practices no-till no spray that is the Promised Land for how we get ourselves out of this situation so we went to shoot a documentary series when we came back knowing we had to start a non-profit we needed to get money into these farmers environments and more importantly than money we needed that money to build an architecture for a new community if these farmers have community and they can talk to each other and say okay the six of us are going to make the jump mm-hmm they can now talk to each other daily they can now you know compare notes at the end of every week that I think is the secret we have so we've launched a nonprofit and we're in the process of our 501 C 3 we're partnering with another Virginia group to go ahead and start taking money in for the operation the next couple weeks it's called farmers footprint the website's farmers footprint us and the mission here is to tie consumers back to the agricultural land itself with the goal of converting five million acres of farmland that's currently under GMO chemical farming back to not just organic but exceed that with this new no-till no spray mandate and we're gonna do it through a number of different fashions certainly the docu-series that we're creating farmers footprint is there to educate us as consumers is what is the plight of the farmer how do we come alongside that group to create a viable solution now we haven't even touched on the farm bill and how that's playing in for the last 40 years into farming practices and is yet another barrier to success and so we've we've decided that if we can bring a hundred dollars per acre from the consumers into the farmers environment we can overcome the farm bill we can overcome this banking juggernaut and hopefully we build that community to allow the farmers to overcome this ostracized status that they get from making the jump and so a farmer's footprint is seen you know that operating that so what do we see actually happens so does no-till nor non-organic or no spray actually work like you said these farmers are looking at dead dead soil one of the things that I have the highest conviction over now as a scientist is the concept of grace in biology I grew up in kind of a Christian environment and kind of hippie church and Boulder and great people around and so I had kind of a lexicon of kind of a relatively open-minded church doctrine and the word grace got through and thrown around in this faith community all the time and now I'm supposed to a lot of people from all types of spiritual backgrounds and going to the Muslim or the Buddhists or their Jewish community hear this word grace with a different frequency but it's out there in our lexicon I think it can Moby maybe boast best be defined now in my mind at least scientifically which is heal faster than you injury and that's what we see in the soil and that's what I get to see my clinic I see people who have abused their bodies for decades and if they just give a pause they do a couple of short-term fasts they give their gut a break they give their immune system a break they get away from chemicals they start growing some of their own food and make these simple little decisions and suddenly decades of damage is reversed in hours weeks months that's grace at the cellular level and there may be a better spiritual the definition of ecology standpoint I see grace as you're going to make mistakes and you're gonna heal fast or from them when you when you make the change and that's what we see in the soil and so these farmers who are making the jump again we've seen a million acres make this transition and so soil health Academy is our partners in this group and they're for phenomenal farmers who really are have been cutting the edge of this this no-till no spray effort and what we're seeing is that within a single growing season you can go from this dead monoculture of corn or soybean to cover cropping with 16 different species and getting a no-till environment you'll see the fungal elements you'll see the micro micro rise a in there the bacterial populations returning the soil and you see biodiversity returning in the form of earthworms within a single growing season of rest yeah it's the environmental planetary version of what you just explained in the human body it's fat right yeah fast for just a moment stop doing the damage for just a short bit resiliency is amazing it's amazing and it would have to be there's a book recently out I'm gonna screw up the title I think it's something like earth without humans or something like this and it describes how fast the ecosystem is gonna recover when we disappear in for government it describes New York City two weeks without humans and you see every element of the the concrete infrastructure of Manhattan disappearing under biology uh-huh and within two months and two years and you see how fast life leaps out of this planet and it has to be that way because it's Mother Earth uh-huh that's how we got here this finite plan has been exploding with life for millions of millions of years before Homo sapiens showed up we got to combat this problem I mean one of the things that we talked about last time that was so shocking for me to hear was just the pervasiveness of of chemical spraying so even if you are an organic farmer or you are consumer buying organic or you're trying to you know live in a clean environment that glyphosate and various other chemicals are so pervasive they found their way into our drinking water it's in the rain water it's raining down onto these organic farms so despite trying to hermetically remove ourselves from this problem it's it's still you know something that we have to contend with even when we're doing everything in our power to avoid it I mean I know that's one of the reasons that you move to a remote location in Virginia was to try to find a pristine place to live and have a family yeah yeah it's getting hard right it's getting hard to find anything that would be considered Pristina in the world let alone the US but I think it is I mean first of all why is that why is glyphosate everywhere it's the nature of the molecule itself it's an amino acid backbone with a phosphate group and a carbon group on the other end and you get this thing called an organophosphate and organophosphates in this form are extremely water-soluble 70% of earth is water and it turns out that 70% of your body is water and so we've put into play a chemical that is water-soluble that can now travel through all levels of the water ecosystem and so in the evaporating water coming off the Mississippi River as we collect some 80 percent of all the roundup sprayed in our country into a single water system through the what runoff that happens when we water or when the rain falls or whatever it is we consolidate that into the great muddy and it shouldn't be muddy but it's carrying all of our topsoil in it now because all of our topsoil is dead and was routing away an amazing estimate on that actually I just read that eleven percent of our GDP is being wasted every year in topsoil the amount of monetary loss from our topsoil washing away is equal to 11 percent of GDP because it's so unhealthy that it doesn't it here exactly yeah there's no root structure to keep it there there's no my my crew right mycorrhizae there's no mycelium there's no fungal structure in the soil to keep the topsoil where it needs to be and so every time it rains the rain can't even penetrate the soil which is ridiculous it's so hard that the water when it finally rains on your crop can't get into the soil and said it takes the top centimeter of your soil away and washes it to the nearest gully and out into the water system which of course ends up in a Mississippi River and then into the Delta and at the end of the Mississippi River we now have a dead zone that's larger than the state of Rhode Island because there's so much herbicide pesticide and chemical fertilizer in that water and so we've got this huge dead zone in the ocean right at the mouth of the Mississippi and not a single politician was talking about that dumbfounding that we can be this myopic um so soil is disappearing all of this is broken yes justice yes but I still want to bring it back to the simple reality as the the brokenness in the system has to do with the isolation of human relationship if we connect the farmer back to the consumer and we cut out the banks we cut out the farm bill we cut out the big chemical industry that's that's trying to educate them incorrectly we have a cut on all those players the amount of money we save is extraordinary first of all but the amount of money we can bring into those lands is extraordinary so there's such a huge economic incentive right now for farmers to make this jump they just need support for about three years to make the transition because after three to five years they can take crop yields right now if they're under GMO crop they can expect to yield maybe forty bucks an acre after they subtract out all their inputs and everything else so typical family farm you're growing maybe 300 acres of corn soybean some mix thereof 300 acres times your 40 dollars you're at a dismal annual income and to achieve that you've woken up every morning at 4:00 a.m. you go to sleep at 10:00 p.m. you cry yourself to sleep every night your your relationship with your wife is so stressed because she's yelling that change has to happen cuz the kids are sick she has had money to pay the health bills can't fill the pharmacy prescriptions dad's chomping at you because you know you must be doing something wrong so it's not working you need to change and for that you get your your dismal you know dish to just service the debt services the debt right and so then you have to borrow money to buy the seed to buy the fertilizers for your next crop and you're back in the cycle again and so this is the reality for so many of these farms and you know I just have to be amazed at the economic incentive on the other side of this is these farms and these don't over a million acres that have made the transition back to region AG over the last 15 years these guys are senior returns per acre of 500 to 900 dollars an acre from $40 40 oh my god and so it's we want to believe that there's some impossible way it's too hard to get you know money for organic food no it's so much more lucrative these farmers they could be the most lucrative generation of farmers in their entire family if they can get to rihgina practice and and what you said earlier is that to make that transition costs about $100 per acre in order to kind of help these people make that switch yeah and and the hundred dollars it doesn't even need to go to being a safety net income entirely so the third of it we see going to their education a third of it we see going to consumer education and then a third of it we see becoming a safety net income for them or they not mine get paid but we say if you were to fail because that's their fear if I don't do what I've been doing in the last 15 or 20 years of chemicals my crop next year is gonna fail and I'm gonna go bankrupt so we don't need to give them an income necessarily but what we can say is look you know we've now raised enough private funds for you that we can give you a safety net that says if you're actually in this transition of no-spray no-till and you happen to fail one of those years we can get we'll meet you at 42 all there's an acre right we'll meet you there you can't draw you you will not go down an income that's what we need to do is create that safe - right right right that's safety net I don't think is he mean have to be tapped into because the farmers that are making the transition are already seeing improved yields year one of going back to a non GMO seed on the same plot of land same plot of land no-till no spray a non GMO seed and suddenly they're back to 40 bushels an acre that's so you're making this documentary or docu-series like how FAR's to do it are you and what is the plan for that because to me this is an education thing it seems like right like the more people can understand what is actually going on we can create a groundswell of support for these farmers my goal is that by the end of 2019 we'll have three of the docu-series wrapped by then the first one's been all shot we're in post with that one should be out by January of 2019 as we debut that docu-series I don't think it's going to take any imagination that's a 30 minute docu-series each element 30 minutes so it's easy digestion when you meet these farmers and see the passion and desire in their eyes and in their hearts to do the right thing here we need to stop damming the farmer first the farmers are the biggest heroes I've ever met I have never met a more resilient courageous group of human beings in my life my brothers in the military I think I would have said that about the military right up until I met the farmers so I have huge respect for for anybody in any military in any part of the world those are courageous human beings that do some of the worst of the worst however the farmers I think have been locked in a chemical warfare that's nylons well we did in Vietnam as far as the amount of planetary damage times 10 or times 100 or times 1,000 and so these guys have been locked as the brute force to destroy nature and they know it on some level they all know it and and that's why they have to ostracize each other when somebody comes to the light it's because it it immediately convicts everybody else and there's this huge guilt that that's riding underneath the surface these farmers are a change though and to see you know the success where you know you can see it on our trailer on our website and the farmers footprint allen and i williams is one of the PhDs it was soil health academy and he tells the story that you know ten years ago they couldn't put ten farmers in a room in the entire country that could have cared about regenerative agriculture now they do health academies all year round all over the country and they they've got 6,200 farmers in every single room and so there's an inevitable demand happening a grassroots well as you said from the farmers if we don't meet them though as consumers right there at that moment in the field it's going to take too long it could be 30 50 years before we see enough people convert over to AG the amazing thing though is here we are laying out a recipe for success for a region of agriculture and recovering soil health if we convert five million acres we solve greenhouse gas problems in North America we will absorb water less grass gases than we produce and so every acre of land the largest co2 consumer in it is the phone fungal community within the soil layer we have global warming because we depleted the vast majority of soil on earth where I think we're down to 2% of irritable land is now viable still we've killed 98 percent of the soil on earth and that's China to the US to Africa we've killed it if you just google this actually the you know big AG community will follow depleted soil records and so you can see like satellite kind of map images of where the depleted soil patterns are throughout the world and the Midwest the United States is one of the most pleased areas worldwide and so you then didn't track that with with global warning patterns and the single biggest producer of greenhouse gases is methane actually there are the biggest contributor interestingly by volume by kind of cubic meters of methane and it's only about 15% of global greenhouse gas but it's six times more potent than co2 as a greenhouse gas and so as its impact on biology and around on global warming methane is number one enemy interesting methane is primarily produced through the AG industry mm-hmm and so it's through and through cattle farm and cattle farms but primarily through poor management of the soil and the crops they're on one of the biggest producers of methane is actually the decaying slowly rotting piles of sugar beet cane that we have throughout the south I do not know that so that's called bagasse that by-product we have seen piles of bagasse that in the billions of pounds sighs they they take up you know city city city blocks you drive along these huge Street and long dusty roads down through Alabama Louisiana Mississippi and the piled as high as you can imagine as a massive piles of sugarcane that don't compost well and so they just sit there in these giant piles under the Sun and off gas methane sugar beets are have zero role in human nutrition there's no piece of the sugar beet that's a good human being the sugar industry has been producing that since you know the 50s as a primary crop and it turns out they most come on subsidized crop in the farm bill is the sugar beet it's gotten so dismal growing corn and soybean in Minnesota and the and the North where we have all these rich soils that they're actually now intentionally destroying the soil structure so that it can be poor enough to grow sugar beet in sugar beet likes poor soil and so we have farmers that are killing their soil intentionally so that they can get subsidized $100 on the acre to grow sugar beets in Minnesota should have never been grown so the incentivization structure is wrong it's backwards going both ways always every single structure that we have to support big AG in this country is forcing the farmers hand into poor agriculture and biologic decisions can we combat this problem without overhauling the farm bill I mean that seems to be front and center of you know a large percentage of what's gone awry yeah and if you'd asked me 10 years ago that was my focus like when I was thinking about nutrition in the late 2000s I thought well we just need to fix the farm bill and this money's gonna be over in a day I've given up on that I've seen the most disparate political positions you know between you know Bush to to Obama to you know now this amazing journey of Trump not a single whisper of a change in the farm bill going on and so I've given up on that transformation that's why we're creating farmers footprint with the realization is actually even if we revised for the farm bill it's not a big enough single incentive to change the way things are done we literally need to cut out all the middlemen if we cut out all the middlemen ie the banks alone that are charging these incredible interest rates to farmers if you just remove the interest rates that are costing our farmers to grow their food we are gonna see a very lucrative shift happen and so my belief is we need to cut on all the middlemen get the farmer connected to the to the consumer directly and we'll see an economic manage so much larger than the current farm bill that we don't need to fix the farm bill but it's literally a private sector capitalistic solution yeah the problem but if sugar beets are so lucrative and so incentivized and will literally grow anywhere in terrible soil how are we going to overcoming the desire the market desire for that product is astronomical and if it's such a large contribute in to greenhouse gas emissions we have to create disincentives for that do we not I don't think so better incentives for them to grow something cuz if we can make five hundred nine hundred dollars an acre doing regenerative ass so what's the yield from from sugar beets and you're down around $100 an acre or something like that you know typically and it's gonna vary depending on where you are and there's you know the farm bill is the most complicated piece of legislation we have so to say it's $100 makers overly simplistic but it's not in an economic level that we can't overcome it if it wasn't at such a high economic benefit that five years ago everybody up north was growing sugar beet they had to get into such a desperate level with the corn and soy bean yields that they started you know this new practice of dead soil or killing the soil further to to grow the sugar beet so you know I think I'm encouraged at the end of the day that we can put into play a free market capitalist exclusion the concept of a non-profit here is just accelerate the farmer to it you know give them a safety net for those few years they need I would love to see the situation where in a few years we have corporations coming along farmers to say we would like to buy up a million acres and we're gonna pay you to do no-till regen AG on it you know and that's that's the switch that I think is coming because right now we have all these fortune 500 companies that are the world and buying co2 offsets well the co2 offset of an acre of regen AG could offset you know way more you know bang for the buck and so I think that if our companies can start to recognize soil is their number one co2 sink then our air lines for example need to be the number one investor in soils in the Midwest and be working directly with these farmers to make lucrative situations for the farmer and mass of co2 dumps for the industry you made an interesting point before we start at the podcast I mean clearly what we're talking about this is this is in our economic interest it is a not it is in the interest of human health environment global environmental health but there's also this additional point about national security so explain that yeah so I mean I think the national security threat if if you haven't started to see it in the course this conversation we can kind of point out those elements too but but what an extraordinary thing so extraordinary slippage of our concept of monopolies to allow one company down 90% of our you know crop our staple crops which is affecting our fuel everything from our fuel production for the energy sector to our big AG which of course feeds the fish the chickens the pork the the beef those who huge industries all being fed the GMO commodities and so huge huge control of this massive massive industry of human food and then to make the move where you allow a German company regulated in a completely different environment than anything in the u.s. now outside the regulatory control really of the u.s. makes the move to purchase this country I think it's again one of those most myopic things if the world works like we think it does now that I've seen this thing actually come to fruition which I really didn't think was getting the government was gonna allow to happen I have to wonder if maybe that international scene and the relationship between the US government and the EU and these other big factions are must be a little different than we thought there must be some back room agreements happening across the world as to what what the powers-that-be would like the world food chain to look like in 20 years and they're making some sort of geopolitical decisions based on something much bigger than the United States of America yeah well Europe historically has been more much more resistant to the use of glyphosate and GMO crops and as much has been then more progressive in terms of being Pro organic but we're seeing that start to slip away a little bit huge erosion time yeah and we have GMO crops in every European country that's why France has to say well mate by 2020 we're gonna be non GMO I'll say you're not gonna be non to remember the future means our GMO right now and so even these countries that we think of as being clean are not at all clean and it's not just glyphosate and that's my concern if we make this just an argument over glyphosate then Bayer just simply presents Liberty link and see we're glyphosate free mm-hmm so now France gets to say work life stay free or whatever it is if they really hold the line and say we're gonna be GMO free and they can hold that line not just you know quoting Anik but their their GMO free that would be an interesting shift because now that you've got contention within the EU of what what the European regulatory body that's equal to what we would call the EPA here has already proved Liberty Lake so we'll start to see some huge court battles I think between the the nation-states of the EU and the big EU regulatory bodies and bear over these next year's to battle that out and see where that goes I still have hope because there's economic incentive that is massive there's hundreds of trillions of dollars over the next 30 to 50 years that could be made by an intelligent approach to this process and so the right answers are lucrative and that gives me hope but there still has to be political will and the the strategy of trying to go top-down for example tackling the farm bill have proved non fruitful so now the focus is more on a bottom-up incentive IDs incentivizing these farmers and creating a groundswell of popular support for this to then exert some pressure on the on the top levels on the legislative level on the Nitori level and on the political level absolutely and and and for whatever concerns we might throw on the air here in a podcast around the loss of freedom and security for the United States as we sell-off our our you know staple crop production we have just as much opportunity to give the beautiful picture of what if the United States became the most resilient and deeply rooted agricultural land in the world that no matter what drought hits us no matter what happens and we're gonna have such resilience in such redundancy within our farmland that we become food independent and so the cat phrase that farmers footprint is a pathway to human health and food independence mmm-hmm because food independence needs to be the political mission if we create food independence greenhouse gas problems go away we will absorb all that co2 and methane we will stop producing so much co2 and methane we will fix that problem and so my message is one of real empowerment to the the heartland of the United States are you a farmer right now do you know a farmer if you don't know a farmer meet one and and become part of the most important American thing we'll ever do it's time for us to rebrand and we've done this many times as a country you know we were American land of the free we've been land of Liberty we've been you know we've had all these you know clever catchphrases that she didn't change out every generation or two in the United States land of the fed I don't know land of the healthy land of thrive you know what are we going to rebrand as Russia's doing it folks and you know you you can have whatever geopolitical viewpoint you want but if Russia succeeds in being organic agriculture by 2025 they've got us beat in spades they just have to wait ten more years for us to financially completely collapse ourselves with our brenda's health problems and they're gonna win this this economic battle on the big big picture here keep in mind China's not going to say what yeah what's going on in China right now it's the rendus situation in China and China makes more glyphosate than Monsanto ever did you know glyphosate as a molecule went off patent in 2007 and the vast on the international market is now made out of China China has the highest rates of pre-diabetes in cancer in the world and they aren't publishing that stuff and so I really believe that the The Smoking Gun in Western civilization right now nobody understands I think and maybe I'm completely naive because I'm just a doctor but I think that the biggest player in Western economics is China and we don't it is not an Eastern force it's a full-on Western force now perhaps in the 1980s and early 90s you could call it an eastern economic force but they diversified all of their money into the West and so they owned the vast majority of gold and minerals and all that that gold rights through South America and Africa through the throughout the West and so they are an economic power from the West from my viewpoint I would say Russia the Eastern Bloc maybe parts of northern Africa are what are kind of the eastern you know autonomy now and so you've you've got this situation where the eastern economy that now becomes dominated in the next 15 years as China and the US collapse in our health care and that and Russia Rises maybe that's gonna happen if we don't change direction it's also strange to contemplate that it's so strange that I think nobody can take it seriously I think you know people are listening this right now blowing off everything ever said in either these podcasts is like Zak sounds completely crazy now because that's a jump where you can't imagine that you know in our mindset Russia's got this you know backwards economy and everything else and the corruption sure but no we're worse than I think what we've cut and so many levels of our government here so but they made this call they said the most important thing for national security of Russia is go GMO free organic food make real food by 2025 and we'll win the game and if we don't step up and and meet that call we're gonna lose the economic game there was an article some time in the last month a couple a bunch of articles came out about this study that came out of the EU about the the deleterious impact of glyphosate on the bee populations did you see this yes and the reason I bring it up because I don't want this to be all about glyphosate like you said but it goes back to how we kind of originally opened this which is that the earth and humans are holistic systems that are interdependent and if it is indeed true if there's some validity to the fact that glyphosate or these other chemicals are are responsible for the depopulation of of bees we're seeing the beginnings or perhaps the the adolescence of a cataclysmic you know house of cards falling in upon itself where it becomes difficult if not impossible to to stop to arrest like once this starts to happen how much of it then becomes self-perpetuating and difficult for us to put the brakes on because so many things are obviously dependent upon what the what the bees are doing you know where are we with that and they're absolutely right and and this does kind of bring us back full circle where I was kind of pointing out you know you may think you found yourself to an itch that's going to survive this onslaught of human health chronic disease you know all this stuff but the fact is we now know that your your health is not independent you can't be independently healthy as a family and we're in the sixth great extinction on the planet right now there's been five other great extinctions in the fossil record on our planet it's been 60 million years since our last great one with the dinosaur collapse and everything else which I happen to be a destruction of the topsoil which is interesting really so the Tahoe because of that the ash that covered that dust layer that covered the planet killed the topsoil we had this huge collapse of the ecosystem and so here we are back destroying the topsoil and seeing the sixth extinction happened we're losing one species to the point of extinction every twenty minutes now and so in the course I think you said we've lost 50% of the Earth's biodiversity in the last 4050 years you know so 40% of the biodiversity on earth gone in 50 years is the current estimates with one species disappearing every 20 minutes in the course of our conversation hey we've law three or four species that we don't even know how to name we don't know who they were but they disappeared and the bees are a perfect example of that we're seeing we are pushing our bee population to the point of extinction they're really being kept in line and a lot of parts of the country by ship by moving bees in on trucks and so we have these huge trucks that are moving beehives around the country to go pollinate you know the almond trees in Southern California or you know the staple crops in the Midwest where we've killed all the bee population and so we have are driving this these bees there and I don't think Einstein may have been the one to coin the term or coined the the quote but he's been credited with it and in the 1930s saying and that humans will survive for about three years after the bees are gone I don't know who was the clairvoyant guy to come up with that it was probably a woman who was nurturing enough to come up with that at the time and it got got Gibbon Einstein there but whoever said you know really understood the role of these these pollinating species in the human survival and amazingly this is being talked about a lot in in academia and and the technology circles is that we we can't survive the loss of the bees and so one of the most astounding examples of our our hubris again as I articles have come out in the last couple years saying the solution for the future of humanity is these robotic bees and so there's building these little drone bees that are supposed to replace bees and pollinators and that's our solution I mean that's just a classic example of what we're seeing all over the place I think there's a there's a level of apathy and and powerlessness that most people feel and it's convenient and comforting to think that you know Elon Musk is just gonna innovate us out of whatever problem that we have we're gonna go colonize Mars when we can't even figure out how to properly terraform our own planet right this idea that we're we're divesting ourselves of responsibility and just looking past to the next opportunity or the next technological breakthrough and we can all go to sleep at night you know comfort it by that but the truth is like the is not the way forward yes it's not the way forward and if we don't reconnect to nature we'll just destroy it again I want to I want to try to bring this to some sort of closure that doesn't feel like I'm the most depressing person you've ever listened to you and so I'm kind of battling in my mind now to kind of get us back to this space where we can say it is doomsday unbridled optimism like I don't really know where you don't know where to go at this one um so let me take you back to kind of where how do you reconcile those two things and I do it actually through my experience as a physician in the ICUs and in the icy use when I was practicing intensive Hospital medicine I got the privilege of being around human beings at the end of life and I was so compelled by this experience that I ended up getting another subspecialty in hospice and palliative care and dealing with end-of-life things for for four years with a hospice group and at the end of a life we've termed it death and what I've laid out for you today is the possibility of the death of our species in 70 years 100 years who cares it was 200 years it's still pathetic and so we have we're looking at the last chapter of life on Earth with our current course of action but let me tell you about what my experience has been in those last moments with patients who are dying we have the belief I think in our subconscious because of the movies you watch because of the TV shows we watch because of our our big divorce from the death process it's become sterilized you a have probably not seen many people die you've probably not seen your loved ones die they've probably died you know operating rooms or a nice use or and they died before you could fly across the country and see them or be and so very few human beings are now watching this process of of death and it's allowed death to be defined as an endpoint as a contraction or disappearance rather than what I would have actually seen it to be and what I've seen it to be is a massive expansion of consciousness of reality of awareness and ultimately of love and the most poignant examples of this or people that actually die biologically and we spend 15 or 30 minutes and ICU resuscitating them with drugs and shocking their chests like you see on TV shows and everything else and we have a dismal track record of pulling those people act it's not like TV we lose the vast majority its around 6 percent of cardiac arrests and in the hospital will actually be resuscitated and 6 percent will survive 94 percent will die so you have somebody who's now biologically dead in your artificially sustaining life we've got them on a respirator and you're pounding on their chest and press and you're pumping drugs in their vein to try to get their heart restarted and doing all of this and they've meanwhile been in the ICU for a week or a few days or weeks months in some cases before they they have this moment and by this time they've been isolated away from humans for quite some time they're only touched by latex gloves hands only people with gowns on will come and see them that masks on they haven't seen a human face close up in months you know they're so isolated and lonely and they go into this moment on the other side and and then we start working on them and doing our code and and as the hero depicted on TV you become that doctor that pulls somebody back from that that other side of the veil and it was startling as you know I moved past my internship and started be kind of senior resident ease in vironment sand really responsible for being around these these patients for hours after these experiences they all told such a similar story on the other side of biologic life and I had to do with that a little bit of a typical story that you said might see in the movies or something where they saw a white light and there's a sense of expansion all this but there's one sentence that that came back again and again and I had one ICU shift that was very weird I had the one ICU shift where I worked for 36 hours shift and during that that night and middle of my 36-hour shift I see three people die and I bring them all back when I sum up my team and to the last one of those three every single one of them their first sentence had was always why did you bring me back which always kind of deflated Molly and said that yeah they I said why did you bring me back and and the variety was huge one of these was an african-american pastor had had over 200 visitors in his ICU room in the days before he passed away and the other one was you know this very isolated kind of ostracized gentleman in his communities I was dying of complications of AIDS and then I had this kid he was who had genetic defects and all this stuff and he was dying of complications of pneumonia because he couldn't breathe that anymore because his skeleton to clout so you just couldn't pick three different medical cases or three different human beings and every one of them first sentence why'd you bring me back and then as they start to get oriented and in the in the hours that follow they're telling their loved ones I went into this space and it was bright white light everywhere and I in that moment felt completely accepted for the first time in my life and that was a unexpected sentence to hear out of multiple accounts I felt completely accepted for the first time in my life so what do you make of that I think we're all walking around lonely and as hell and our opportunity to rebirth because death is not not an endpoint it's an transformation moment it's an expansion beyond the limits of this frail biologic shell that we carry around and the instant that we step out of that we find out that the universe embraces us in every single second of our existence in complete acceptance of who we are we are enough in and of our own identity of I am at every second of every point of our existence and it's the disbelief of that that's keeping us locked in these stupid conversations we just had for last hour and a half that is myopic conversation in and of itself when you back up for a moment say okay we're killing ourselves but what if we need a death moment to transform completely to let go of all of the preconceived notions of what it is to be human and to say you know what we are beings of light and we are completely accepted at every mode including this moment when we would rape the earth of what it were raping you know when we would kill each other at the rate we do when would destroy the entire ecosystem of a green planet in the middle of black space when we would have that level of hubris we're still completely accepted and our journey is somehow understood by something more benevolent and more complete than we can see as human beings and so let's not beat each other up over this issue let's not see this as a failure let's see this is an obvious next step in our journey and death is the inevitable thing marching at us that's going to say are you going to wake up and see the transformation at that moment of death and transformation and you're going to say goodbye Homo sapiens we're gonna do it a moment before that in the body before the doctor starts the resuscitation are you gonna say you know what what if we all looked at each other in wonder and awe and said you're enough I accept you completely I want to be with you I want to live with you I want to be a live period and if it's with you then it must be on purpose because we're in the same room and the odds of that is zero and so we are here seven billion of us showed up right now which is really odd because I just laid out a horrific story of what's happening on the planet and yet seven billion of those white souls that seconds after death are going to realize that they are who they've always been they're fully accepted and they are moving in true love and and that white light is the love and they're in that space what if we can transform before we die then there's no reason to go to Mars there's no reason to go anywhere else because we will do absolutely every single thing differently here on earth and we're do it differently by just that simple recognition of I am Who I am you are who you are that's enough and I accept you completely and let's figure out how to do this within the design of nature there's enough energy there's enough food there's enough soil there's enough commodities there's enough resources for everybody on the planet to thrive at a level that's never been experienced turi we cannot continue any form of human economic systems that have ever existed before and expect us to escape the death moment we literally have to reinvent everything and so if you are under the age of 18 right now you are the last generation that may live to the fullest extent of the human potential it is you who are being called it's transformed because you showed up right when you did if my generation is to do anything it was to say oh my gosh we're going in the wrong direction but my generation doesn't have enough time now to turn the boat around and reinvent everything and so our mission is not to inspire the farmers that are currently fighting the good fight it's to inspire their children to do the right thing and do it differently connected to new children who are in the cities who are in the you know tech world whoever wherever they are connect those kids back give them a sense of that unity give them a sense of the oneness and give us all a sense that this is the inescapable optimism as we are going to transform period and it may be I doubt up to the point of our death or miraculously it might just happen right before it that was one of the best monologues I've ever heard of my life pre ship brother that was amazing oh my god you're this incredible contradiction in terms with the doomsday and the optimism and the deep-rooted experience and knowledge in science and yet somebody with a vast capacity for for spiritual exploration you're a wizard you're against all our we all are and that's the excitement that I have is you you can't actually come close to the science of atomic physics or astrophysics or human biology without an overwhelming sense of we are just so far beyond logic we're so far beyond the material world we are these entities that are moving with such power and we have been kept from that power and we've been kept from it so that power can be taken from us and consolidate in the hands of a few right so the trick is can we come to that realization that that that dawning moment of consciousness expanding short of the death experience can we find the wherewithal the facility to tap into that sense of what it means to be alive while we are in the present moment three words humility first then gratitude and love and if we can just practice that at the scientific level at the technological level at everything other levels thank thank you for what we've been given thank you for the the horrendous drone journey we've had thank you for the atrocities that we've had to sustain as a people and thank you for a mother nature that would continue to be graceful to us why does she let her Souls recover in 18 months why why haven't you just wiped us off the face of the planet yet why haven't you smudged us out we are out there's ten to the 31 viruses on earth ten to the 31 that's one with 31 zeros after it why didn't they just knock us out the flu virus is nothing there's ten to the 31 other viruses on the planet there's more biologic life around us we are we are one billionth of the life on the planet why hasn't it all just crumped us out pushed us out crushed us there's a there's a crazy-ass paper that I wish I had already won the Nobel Prize but it's called the universal scaling laws by astrophysicists and nassim haramein and the x-axis the vertical axis on the graph looks at the frequency of resonance of every structure starting at the universe itself whether its resonance frequency all the way to Planck's constant which is the vibration of the electromagnetic field in vacuum space tiniest little thing we can measure and on the y axis the horizontal axis you've got the the diameter or the radius maybe it is of every one of those structures and it turns out if you plot the radius versus frequency of resonance you get a straight line from Planck's countenance constant all the way to the universe dead center between the smallest thing we've ever known and the largest thing the universe itself is human biology we're the mathematical center point of the universe the average size of the human being is that what you're saying our frequency of resonance plotted against our what is how do you measure frequency of resonance what is that it's we all emanate electromagnetic frequency so anything does rock does tree does any any solid form will resonate an electromagnetic field off of it and each of those like like lightning frequency red light having a different frequency than blue light and so that does that's the visible spectrum but then you've got spectrum of frequency going all the way out every direction to the almost infinity points on those two directions and so if we're the mathematical center point it has something to do with the fact that everything wants us here the universe wants us here it's that beautiful thing of when went the more you know about science the more room there is for wonder and awe yeah right that is amazing so from the the smallest measurable subatomic particle all the way to what we estimate to be the size of the universe where exactly in the metal plot that against the frequency and we are dead center yeah it should be mind-blowing it should recorrect our understanding of what our purpose is our purpose is not to be against nature we are of nature and we're at its center point with great purpose and it has to be that we would have the consciousness that we would be able to participate on the level of consciousness to understand the concepts of gratitude and love beautiful I can't think of a better way to end this it's fantastic that I could talk to you for like eight hours so please I mean just Agenda free come back and we'll just like let it go wherever it wants to go that was that was really beautiful thank you for that things really are you are a gift to humanity and please keep doing what you're doing it's super important work let me know or let the listeners know how people can find you connect with you you know where can they learn more about this docu-series and the nonprofit and all the good things that you're doing a long list of websites they're WWF farmers footprint us is the docu-series and the nonprofit and entry point for you WWE sack bush za c HB you sh m d comm you can find a lot of my educational material there in all these different areas of health energy ecology are my three main foci but i also have a huge interest in changing the way business is done and politics and the rest and so Zach Busch is kind of your biggest Clearinghouse of bizarre ideas the agricultural stuff and the soil science you can find more at restore the number four life.com to many other websites really named but that'll get that is you know great yeah and i'll link up in the show now it's a variety of other resources so you can go down the rabbit hole on Zach's world thanks so much for hanging in my friend yeah I until next time my friend all right peace place regenerative soil [Music] you

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Length: 114min 31sec (6871 seconds)

Published: Tue Jan 08 2019

Reddit Comments

[u/rainbow_voodoo]

Zach Bush is brilliant. Food Sovereignty is paramount for a secure life

[u/roderrabbit]

Zach Bush is a controversial figure, he makes plenty of controversial claims. But overall he talks with a level of insight into the agricultural industry and its modern day implications for human health that is fascinating to myself. He also makes plenty of apocalyptic claims as a result of the modern day agricultural which are unique from GHG emissions.

https://www.pnas.org/content/117/21/11753?fbclid=IwAR0T-sehzM-iPPc6M5OpUIlyV_ZFpdOerACVT-UmRwTpyc37-SvGaEP22MA&utm_source=TrendMD&utm_medium=cpc&utm_campaign=Proc_Natl_Acad_Sci_U_S_A_TrendMD_0 A study on glyphosate and a correlate to Autism Spectrum Disorder.

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/2/e2015865118.short Bayer's reply

https://www.pnas.org/content/118/2/e2016496118.short a reply to Bayer

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/labs/pmc/articles/PMC8316667/ further study by Pu et al.

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