FlyWire On The Road Sun-n-Fun 22 #4 Dan Gryder & GA Aviation YouTube Videos

[Music] fly we're on the road sun and fun 22. i'm with dan grider here today this is actually the last day of center fun and we're going to talk about aviation safety videos in youtube so stick with us on flywire [Music] hey i'm scott perdue and dan greider and i are going to talk about aviation safety videos it seems to be some of the big things that we both do so um we're going to talk about that a little bit and it's a beautiful day here at sun fun the wind's not blowing it was blowing like stink and really cold and it was like 46 degrees this morning you slept outside with your airplane on the ground hardcore hardcore no tint anything was to get a little dewy it did yeah yeah so you didn't need to take a shower you just kind of roll around and use soap i need a hot shower and i was in the lake all day yesterday so not all day yesterday was in the lake so i was chilled to the bone yeah i bet well cool so we were talking yesterday about aviation safety videos so what's your take on it how are we going in the right direction are we doing the right things do we need to fix anything or do anything different well you know i'm johnny come lately to the youtube world but the phenomena that i've seen in aviation youtubers is a whole different array of what your subject's going to be either humor or travel or something like that you and me and juan and a couple others tend to hone in on accident type stuff and i think it's really educational i don't know that there's a tremendous amount of people out there doing youtube videos like you and i do and we each have our different styles and personalities on it but there's only a handful of us out there doing it however we're really doing well on views and minutes watched so it gives me the sign that people are actually interested in learning maybe from something that somebody else did yeah i think you're i think you're right um i the a lot of the comments i tend to get on mine uh are people saying that uh well i appreciate what you're doing it's really really learned a lot and keep doing what you're doing it helps there's probably saved a life and i sure hope that's the case yeah yeah i got a couple emails from a couple of different accidents uh uh specifically that one out in uh uh oregon where the the couple died in the bonanza but i got an email from uh the the pilots brother that just said thank you we've had no information from the government no information from anybody we had no idea how they died until your video and now it all makes perfect sense and it gave us closure now we understand exactly what he did and the whole story makes complete sense and to them you know it's bad to have to talk about how how those two people died but uh they're the kind of pilots you know if if i went in i would allow everybody to know what what it is that dan did to go in uh and don't do that so i think i think there's some educational benefit that people are really looking for out there i think you're right i get a lot of those comments as well i've actually gotten several from a lot of them from family members as you said that they were involved and and they appreciated the analysis because it just takes forever from the ntsb and then you really basically most of the analysis you get in from them is in the prelim yeah and you know the the interesting thing is uh i hear it over and over if if your family or somehow was involved in a fatal accident the interaction between the government and the family after the accident is zero there's no follow-up call there's no follow-up anything they don't have a counselor there's nobody that calls the family left behind on the planet to say here's what happened here's what we know so far can we answer any questions never happens you get absolutely zero and then the family finally looks it up on the internet three years later and tries to make heads or tails out of ntsb's probable cause and i think the whole thing just it needs to be picked up a little bit in speed and there needs to be more better closure for these families and figuring out what really happened to uncle steve you know how do you die yeah true statement i think one thing about how i pick accidents to review is it for me i i think it needs to be it's never about the pilot it's always about what the pilot did right with the emergency i mean what failed on the engine or you know it doesn't really none of that is important to me it's what the pilot did afterwards and how what lesson can we learn so if we're in the same situation we would be able to more uh aptly deal with it instead of it being a surprise so when i pick a video that's what my objective is and then then i need to be able to actually find out about independently not relying on somebody else but for an adsb is really a good source for this to figure out what happened with the flight so i can put two and two together uh i don't like listening to other people eyewitnesses are good uh but sometimes they're not accurate and their their view is is limited so they can add a piece to the puzzle but not necessarily the whole answer but one another thing that i'm trying to trying to figure out how to do is actually do a quick look early on an accident and then as more information gets there then do my my analysis because when i do an analysis it takes a lot of time yeah they do to do and a lot of time to edit too yeah oh it's so time consuming but that's the one thing that i've i've noticed from being involved in on an amateur basis like i am um ntsb came from several other organizations in government that preceded them ntsb only came along around in like 1967 or something like that but in the early days of aviation you have to think about it all the accidents were caused by mechanical and the pilots were actually pretty good it was very rare that there was an actual pilot air it was always something mechanical that they needed to fix a flat fell off or an engine failed or something like that where they can go back and say well these cylinders need to be stronger or this and so that process has actually helped the reliability of engines however we're in a new hemisphere now most most of the accidents are some simply something the pilot did wrong although there are some failures but the ntsb continues to home in on what spring failed which caused the engine to fail and at this point i don't really care what spring failed how did the pilot handle the engine failure that's all i want to know because it doesn't really matter we've got our engines and airplanes up to very reliable well it's it's that modern aircraft engines although the basic design is very old they're they're very very reliable when you think about operating an engine 65 75 power for hours and hours and hours at a time you could not do that with a car engine yes let me ask you a question and airplane takes off guy is an engine failure and he stalls it and spins it because the engine failed and had a manufacturer's defect what's the probable cause was the problem caused that aircraft fatal was it the engine or the pilot the probable cause that ntsb always does is okay this is where the cause of the accident right but if the engine failed and he was able to land and then not damage not not not be not not as a fatality then it's almost an incident and they don't care right and so my thing is is i what's more important to me is what happens after exactly it's not the you know i don't care about the engine i don't care about any of the mechanical issues you're in a position how as a pilot am i going to deal with that because that's the only thing that's really important i think right to people that are flying is if this happens to me what am i going to do what do i need to do right at that point it doesn't really matter what caused your little engine to fail all you need to know is how to lower the nose to find a spot and you're gonna you're gonna do some damage but you're gonna be able to un unbuckle and step out and go to dinner with your family that's all it is and i think the ntsb's still focused today is is purely on finding what little tiny component inside that airframe let them down and and honing in on that as opposed to what the guy could have done about it if you had proper training and was was ready to handle that yeah yeah i agree and uh i you know i just did a video a little while ago on a fellow who had was flying an 835 bonanza yeah and he had a fuel price it was actually a fuel pressure gauge line it was a hard line in between two hard connections so it was almost it's it's original but it was almost prepped for failure because of that kind of connection needs to be a soft connection a flexible hose but um that cracked and that reduced his fuel pressure to near zero on a pressure carburetor and his engine still ran sort of but at no power not enough to fly he actually did a really really good job of putting it down on a road in a middle of a forest in georgia and uh i love doing being able to talk about those kind of situations where he i mean was he perfect no i mean even if you you think about this a lot you're not going to be perfect right but he did a really excellent job and they walked away yeah and then hit power lines that are really tough to see just before landing but as a testament to the bonanza strength it actually cut right through them yeah and well we're we're not we're not getting better and aopa came out and made a bold statement at the end of 2021 that said that the year 2021 was their best year ever and they gave themselves a pat on the back for being the best safety year in general aviation forever and they said that they're not sure what to attribute that to but sure seemed like they wanted to take a lot of credit for it truth is we did not do better in 2021 i've got all the numbers i haven't published them yet we actually did more crashes and more dead bodies in 2021 than we ever have now that goes back to aopa's method of determining rates based on how many hundred thousand dollars that we flew which is a complete pie in the sky number i don't really care anything about how many hundred thousand hours we flew i just want the total number of fatalities which currently is running about 18 per month why don't we back that off from 18 a month down to about six a month would would be a lot better no matter how many hours we're flying let's not crash quite so many airplanes that's fatals 18 fatal accidents per month that's too many and what he's driving at is one of my problems in the air force and the airlines you know how many hours you fly every sortie is logged i mean there's just incredible uh record keeping going on so when they do and the correct statistical number to to measure your accident rates is per hours flown uh but when you don't have a good way to take to track that it's all a guess and ga flying you have no idea no way to track how many hours are being flown i don't care if it's your if you're using uh hours that are reported on people's medicals which is one of those metrics there's uh you know how much have gas is being sold and all this stuff you're guessing that number is hours of being flown so that accident rate that they're using in the null report i think is bogus frankly the the statistical basis for it is conspicuous and not only that the null report runs at least three years behind the most current null report that's on my desk right now is 2019 and we're in 2022 right now 2019 now report is the most current one we have and and that's what they're basing everything on for everything up to there i'm not sure where mcspadden got his numbers saying 2021 was the safest year we've ever had because those numbers aren't even published anywhere how many hundred thousand hours we flew in 2021 nobody knows that that that's that's a number that hasn't even been given out yet so well and it's a guess anyway that's my point is it's a total guess and i don't think you can make a statistical decision decision using those statistical basis not in ga there's there's no way to know how many hundred thousand hours and uh rough numbers one fatal accident per 100 000 hours flown in ga that rate is about 18 fatals per month so the ntsb has always said well our goal is to keep it below 1.0 well you got to keep in mind 1.0 per hundred thousand hours is still 18 a month you know and that number that 1.0 hasn't really flickered over the last 20 years it's always been 0.95 1.1 1.0 if you look at it it's a pretty flat line for forever what i'm hoping to do is eventually get that 1.0 down to 0.3 or something like that and what we're really trying to do is we're trying to raise awareness and for people to think a little bit more about their flying and about their training because i'm a big training proponent i think one of the big ways that we reduce accident rates is we do more training and and training's not a bad word it's not a nasty word it's not four letters no so it's something that uh uh i i learned when i was doing a uh i actually did the statistics on my uh hours flown and uh it's particularly in the air force 97 percent of my flying in the air force to train for what i did three percent yeah yeah and i and i think the training i'm not saying you do the same thing in ga but in the hundred dollar hamburger have a professional armory a pro pro it's a word i'm having trouble with this morning but have have one of your proficiency exercises that you do on every flight you do have something that you go and practice and that's what training is about it's practicing all the different proficiency maneuvers that in eliminating the surprise almost every fatal is caused by a surprise a pilot that got surprised because they didn't know what was about to happen if we can eliminate the surprise and have pilots ready for the scenarios that are about to befall them then you have then you stand a chance of handling it if you're totally shocked and surprised you're not going to handle it and that's and that's what these videos are for and you think about that here on the ground yeah not in the air yeah well this is my standby by line obviously we're not inventing any new ways of killing ourselves in ga it's one of the 20 every single time no one's ever been killed by the steep turn or the shondelle you can do a steep turn if you like doesn't do you any good you're going to get killed by one of the 20 aqp maneuvers that's how you're going to die why don't you learn about them and be proficient in those and be ready so that there is no surprise that's my whole beef and i think youtube the phenomena and i'm a fledgling in the youtube world i'm a complete lack of tech lack of pc i'm lack of everything but i've been surprised how many even walking around here it's amazing how many people say dan they've seen me on youtube youtube is the social media and i don't do anything on instagram or tick tock or anything like that but the number of people here so i think you and i and some of the others out there are being effective in raising awareness i think people are hungry for accident reviews where they can learn something or they can help themselves prevent yeah so i'll keep doing them yeah oh absolutely let's keep on doing them all right well there you have it from sun and fun it's a little bit chilly this morning but i hope you enjoy the video and we'll see you next time on flywire great

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Published: Tue Apr 12 2022