First EVER LeBron vs Jordan Debate With Stephen A. Smith & Shannon Sharpe | EP. 85 CLUB SHAY SHAY

obviously you know you love yourself some LeBron James yeah yeah yeah yeah I just got off the phone with him yeah the blast for me coming out of your mouth it's okay you can believe it you can believe that man I'm sure you know what right the first LeBron topic right don't need to be nobody here's what don't need to be nobody here's what's going to hurt you here's what's gonna hurt you because you see when you talking like that people like but no I'm gonna sit back and let you talk and then I'm gonna say you finish oh you figure you should no and you're gonna be like nah and I'm gonna say you gotta wait now because I waited here I come and you have to deal with the tsunami that I'm gonna break I'm gonna rain down upon you when it comes especially to that button and that was it and that's what you're gonna hurt listen LeBron listen I got this man the game was started in 1947. I got LeBron James the thousands of players that have played in the NBA I got him number two all time yeah yeah you got people walking around like that's disrespect it is I got them no see see that's the motion right there listen let me tell you something right now I personally believe a legitimate argument could be made that I'm sitting in front of the greatest tight end in the history of football some people bring in Grand Tony Gonzalez Travis kill of course but you're in the conversation and you know because your brethren I mean they give you bad love and respect right I can say that but my point to you is is that if somebody said you weren't number one you don't feel insulted no so why you got to be yourself to development because that's emotions you told me the storm was coming right see your storm happened for nine years then took two years off right and it happened for three years it took another three years off and then it kind of just like drizzling my Storm been going for 21 years raining you could say that and my retort to that would be six NBA Finals losses there's six final losses yeah six finals losses let me ask your question six I just want you to tell me one thing we're gonna debate this sure tell me the team that he faced that with the 2017 or the 2018 Golden State Warriors what do you mean I don't understand your question Michael Jordan tell me the cheat you talk about Michael Jordan I want you to tell me the team the Michael Jordan face that was the equivalent of the 17 and 18. no one can I respond to that sure can I say why no one do you know why see that's the ultimate equalizer or usurper pick whichever one you want to what you want to pick you understand that Jordan is 6-0 in NBA Finals yeah you understand that Jordan was MVP all six NBA Finals yeah did you understand that Jordan never even allowed the final series to go seven games also uh excuse me ten time NBA scoring champion nine time all defensive play all defensive first team you do know that right yeah all right that's not in other words it was LeBron on both sides of the ball was he that dominant oh he was ready but you know he should have won it you know he should are you kidding me Stephen are you kidding give me this okay you know good well LeBron James should have one Defensive Player of the Year how does how does uh uh the smart Gasol who's the second Team all defensive player be defensive player of the year I agree with that I agree with that but the flip side to it is that as we watched LeBron James even with his greatness at one point in time as a defensive player we never looked at him and said oh my God that's that dude defensively yeah you had you had no LeBron is universally respected and revered MJ was feared you know the difference you know the difference because there are people who have feared you you know the difference better than me you know the difference between reverence and fear look you know this you like John Wick I like James he's all right he's all right can I have James you could be John Wayne okay I prefer James Bond shot up the whole place kill everybody okay James Bond killed a few people got the latest they do the same thing right remember Holly remember when Halle Berry was walking out the ocean he said magnificent view remember that yeah you know that that's that stuff is stuff that's Pierce Brosnan but you know Dan you Craig of course Sean Connery the man okay I mean this is I'm trying to the versatility of James Bond is weird you could say that but one through five you've seen him do it I'm not denying that shut down Tony Parker on winning in the last five minutes say I got 10 minutes I also saw him get checked when Jason Terry was guarding him in the post in his finals against Dallas you go ahead and deny that no okay then so so let me ask you a question has there ever been a time when Michael Jordan showed up in the NBA finals and you literally looked at him and said yo he'd show up yeah nobody come on let me ask you a question I'm gonna do it like this here sure tell me the guy that he faced that with the award the equivalent of Kevin Durant Michael Jordan well I would say Steph Curry I wouldn't say the equivalent of of Kevin Durant but let's go down the list he beat magic for this first time magic was 73. okay I found you I'm going I'm going down the list oh nevertheless I didn't hear you say that when magic was here but we're talking about it yeah he backed them little Jones okay go ahead that's fair Michael Jordan I'm sorry Magic Johnson the first title Clyde Drexel in the crew the second title Charles Barkley Kevin Johnson don't ignore that damn Mall in them the third okay okay Peyton the glove with Sean Kemp before he became one Hall of Fame and then also you've got Carl Malone John Stockton yes and you have an NBA game that was considerably tougher at that particular moment in time than today's NBA game is in terms of physicality and what's allowed yes so you can appreciate this yes you can appreciate that before you can put your where you could put your forearm on people when you can hand check them when you can do a lot of things you can't do now right now you'll get called for passing gas true you will but it's a different game now but here's the thing Stephen okay what you and the old school guard okay have equated physicality with talent and skill the guys in today's game are more skilled I I totally agree with that I totally agree with that but you would know this better than me because you were an old world player even though the game of the NFL has evolved significantly you know good and damn well that if you were playing in this time oh yeah you would have adapted yes you played in that time you adapted yeah the game in the 60s and 70s you would have adopted no time so what I'm trying to say to you is this Michael Jordan was what he needed to be if he was playing today he would be what he needed to be in order to be successful today that's all I'm trying to say when you see greatness on that level yeah you have to concede that that's the case but see all they ask Michael do with the cook LeBron had to cook he had to clean he had the weight tables for you to take order well you could say that but what I'm saying I ain't gonna have faith if the brother's doing it on both sides of the floor then obviously he's doing more than one thing he's doing that too how many guys you know that are top five sports and top five or six how about this how about one Shaquille O'Neal with Penny Hardaway Nick Anderson 3D Dennis Scott knows boys yeah Juan Orlando right yeah how about the fact that they couldn't even get the ball past half court because Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan had him on Lockheed yeah full corporates we never see LeBron do that we never see LeBron do that LeBron do that you know stop it he never did it you remember when he never did human with D Rose with the MVP y'all voted D Rose MVP when they do to D Rose in the playoffs excuse me is excuse me D Rose what kind of team do you have you couldn't tell me yo Kim knowing those boys was a disappointed they did enough to get the number one season I voted him MVP and still picked Miami to win that series I knew they want to go beat Miami in the best of seven the playoffs are different yeah all right but that don't mean LeBron deserve the MVP I know by the way I don't even knock LeBron James for not getting MVP because when you're that great you're not gonna put all your efforts in over 82 games you playing for April May in June so this is entirely possible I'm very fair to LeBron James Sometimes most times most times actually I'd say all it's just that I call it like I said I'm not emotional like you no no no you're welcome you know what I got a call today for one Michael Jordan he rolled up on me on a black SUV and roll the window that's true that's true yeah that was scary I thought he was gonna shoot I thought I thought it was a drive-bye scared to live the hell out of me yeah that's an absolutely true story but at the end of the day all I'm trying to say is that LeBron is phenomenal he's great we should throw no shade on him one of the greatest ever top the top three the first pH he will never be greater than Jordan to me but more importantly let's go to Kareem 19 time All-Star six-time League MVP champion on the high school levels champion in the NBA okay good Lord of Mercy six okay all top leading scorer before LeBron surpassed them all of that stuff happened I'm just saying come on now the resume is better but I still don't believe he was the player that LeBron James is yeah all right but what I hold and I'll say this to you I'll tell you something that I've very really said if you took LeBron James career from 2012 to now and that was his history from his first title to what he is now and you wanted to make an argument against Jordan I'm listening the problem is we don't get to ignore those first seven or eight years where there were a couple of occasions where one he was accused of quitting and number and I don't believe that by the way no I don't believe it accused no no no no no I'm talking about this God's still game law I got you but yeah I feel you but it's true but it's still accused of a drunk but the point is no no against Boston I don't believe that it was a lot of stuff going on LeBron that's none of our business that people that would totally unfair to him including this damn teammate yeah but that's a different story for another day I never held that against them but when you got four games against the Dallas Mavericks in which people looked at you and said choke if you say that you know what you cannot get past that I can't I can't argue about that one I can't argue about it that to me that to me sealed a deal about the MJ LeBron comparison so what what if he were to win a title this year don't matter 39 years of age so so that's on the race Jordan that was interesting there you go see that's the argument that people have when I was talking about Tom Brady not playing well I'm not trying to take away what Jordan's accomplished I agree he got those Rings he got six finals MVPs right he has six championships he has five regular season MVP right if LeBron gets another title Steven A I'm not going to race what Jordan did but he already he already here for me okay all he's doing is just but but what I'm saying to you is I already talked about the Dallas thing yeah and I talked about moments which you can appreciate and what I'm trying to say to you is that when you are that dude right that doesn't happen to you often that happened to Magic when they called them tragic because yeah we get all of that you understand what I'm saying but for the most part that doesn't happen and this is the kind of thing that you also have to pay attention to as well not only do you not get to say that about Jordan but when you look at LeBron think about this you want me to tell you what I hold against him just as much as I held against the Dallas performance what the following year with the All-Star Game you got the ball in your hands it's an exhibition it's an exhibition it's not it doesn't count right it's all that fun right Kobe claps his hand God Rest his soul yo let's come on you got D Wade on the court you got mellow in the corner and he threw the past and all three of them along with Kobe descended on LeBron and said yo what's up what you doing because they knew he was psyched out he was messed up and what I'm saying to you is that Kobe wasn't like that MJ wasn't like that it's a D Wade wasn't like that in his first NBA Finals appearance they down 0-2 to Dallas D Wade goes berserk averages 37 and last four games I'm just saying it's stuff like that it's not that you look at LeBron and you diminish him it's just that you can't Elevate him above somebody like MJ when I got that evidence to support my argument that's all and that's why I got him number two all-time God strike me that I mean my Lord I mean what an insult I mean the number two all-time in the history of the game and it's an insult only you and and Rich Paul and people like that feel that way most of us sane individuals know better no

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Length: 13min 47sec (827 seconds)

Published: Sat Sep 02 2023