Fatmagic: Guilty or Innocent? [TF2 Hacker Police]

this video is sponsored by manko.store a great marketplace for buying and selling tf2 items for real cash it supports lots of cash out methods including paypal now make sure to check it out the link is in the description i'm ability to the party with this one aren't i the whole controversy is already dying out not really that many people talk about it anymore but the initial question still remains unanswered due to the tf2 community splitting into two groups the ones who believe the provided evidence and the accusations and the ones who don't yes it's all about fat magic with a bee's sniper main tft tuber so does he cheat after all well today we'll try to figure this out welcome back everybody it's your favorite police officer vorowski here and this is a new episode of hacker police season 2 [ __ ] and in today's one we'll have a deep analysis of the provided evidence and we'll try to figure if it's really enough to confidently claim that fat magic is a closet cheater and if you will genuinely enjoyed this video don't forget to subscribe to this channel so officer vorovsky does more episodes of hacker police in the future let's go so where did it all begin what was the first moment from fat magick's videos that made people go suspicious well it'll get us all the way back to his full tf2 2020 experience video in his infamous clip of the alleged fat magix aimbot snap in this clip you can see fat magic charging enhancement shot and before he even sees anyone his crosshair snaps perfectly on a pyro behind a wall and uh i'm gonna just hit you with this one straight away not a single modern aimbot in tf2 snaps directly on targets behind walls yeah this is not some [ __ ] counter strike where you can actually deal damage through different obstacles this is team fortress 2. you can only deal direct damage any walls fences and other [ __ ] well except some map textures are not penetrable there's no point in aimbots in any cheating clients to have this function of snapping on targets that are out of the player's sight it does not work like this well at least for hits canadian bots and multiple tutors confirmed it more to add fat magic is using a projectile weapon and projectile aimbots also do not snap directly on moving targets they instead snap on the points where they predict the targets should be in the future depending on where they're moving so if it was an actual project alien button fat matrix clip it would have aim locked somewhere around here because a pirate was riding in that direction or if it was the so-called silent thing bud it wouldn't have snapped at all so this clip is completely debunked it's nothing more than fat magic simply pre-aiming with the huntsman before jumping around the corner because that's how this weapon is played the same way it works with the tomislav heavy let's say you jump around the corner while wrapping up the gun and you pre-aim hoping for someone to be on your way also it's worth mentioning that the initial accuser that first found this clip had a direct contact with some cheaters that helped him making his fat magic videos and knowing that they've spent so much time cheating that they should know pretty much everything about cheats at this point right including aimbots not locking on players behind walls i find it kinda weird that to this day they haven't said a single thing about this clip even though they should know it's legit but they have never admitted it meanwhile we're moving on the accuser that i just mentioned is named venusian rapper this one huntsman clip made him question fat magic's gameplay so much that he decided to start his fat magic investigation with the help of these cheaters that i just talked about and as a result he uploaded his first official video named fat magic cheats i always say in my videos exposing cheaters that ultimately it's the behaviors and egos of the accused that give them away and that rings just as true for fat magic judging by the title and the way venusian talks in this video is quite clear that he is being very serious about his allegations and he tries to show that he has some strong evidence in his pocket and is completely fine what's not fine though is him being overly aggressive and obviously manipulative from the very beginning for example he brings up a new clip from a different pet magics video where he's allegedly cheating again and says this there is no way you're going to convince anyone with half a brain cell that this is a legitimate shot was that you still believe that bad magic is legit after i showed you this clip you you're that stupid how [ __ ] dumb can you be to not agree with me on this like are you [ __ ] serious dude if you're a lawyer you'd be starving to death by now holy [ __ ] venusian also goes out of his way to call that magic's weaver base infantile children and while i'm criticizing this right now when it doesn't really have much to do with an actual evidence the main point here is why did you even think it would help you with bringing a message to people that they would want to listen to you after you shat on them in the beginning of your exposed video they had nothing to do with it like at all it was all you and fat magic not even surprising that this first video got ratioed so hard regardless of getting such a huge traction now before we do a breakdown of this new clip i gotta explain some of the inbound types to you since this will be very important later so aimbot is just a normal playing a bot it snapped across her own enemies or enemies heads depending on how you set up your cheats and that's it just a good old lamebot that we all know and it's usually pretty easy to spot silent aimbot it actually has two varieties silent and p silent p stands for perfect by the way and the only difference between two is silent tamebot is a client-side cheat it's an invisible aimbot but only invisible for a player using it the way it works is it has a specific range that you can adjust by making it bigger or smaller and if there is a target within this range no matter where you aim it will hit the target and you won't even see the snap on your screen but others on the server will that's why you see bots doing millisecond snaps all the time when they head shot someone guess what bots use silent aim and auto shoot p silent on the other hand is a direct upgrade to silent because it's invisible for everyone including people looking at you in game or while spectating however p silent for hitscan weapons got patched back in july 23 2015. so if someone spectates you now they will see the silent tambot snaps if you use shotguns sniper rifles and so on but it still works just fine without any snaps for projectile weapons and melees there is some more info about silent aimbot that needs to be covered and i will do it but a bit soon triggerbot it's very simple it just clicks mouse1 for you whenever your crosshair gets on a target's hitbox it doesn't do anything with your aim just choose the gun at the right time trigger bot is usually difficult to spot because it looks pretty legit now when we're clear with all of this let's get back to the clip a shot where the crosshair is nowhere near spy's head but it's still a headshot venusian called it silent aimbot in his first fat magic video while in his second video that he'd upload later he would imply this originally when i had started editing the video together i had noticed the shot actually does swipe over the bottom edge of the head hitbox but decided to leave the script and editing unchanged to see if people actually caught this wait what so you're trying to say that you expected your viewers to do the job for you so you willingly left your incorrect point unedited what is this all about like the the burden of proof is on you dude it actually looks more as if you realize that you [ __ ] up by calling it silent aimbot when it was not and you decided to come up with this weird excuse you are accusing fat magic you are the one who is supposed to provide clear and valid points not your viewers and instead you just confuse them anyway so why isn't the silent aimbot well it's all about some specific particles which are the blood splatters and the bullet connection sparks you see whenever you utilize silent aimbot on someone the game will always show these particles flying from the center of the target's head you aim to the left it's coming from the center um to the right same result while legitimate shots will make these particles come from the point where the shot was legitimately registered and in fat magic's case particles are flying out of the spot of the shot's registration and not from the center of the spy's head meaning it was never an instance of silent abod usage and as venusian rapper would state in the second video it's triggerbot instead let's see how true that is but get ready since it's about to become pretty complicated if we go frame by frame we can see the exact moment when the crosshair was on the spy's head hitbox on the very bottom of it it's only one frame which led the accusers to think that it gotta be trigger butt because shots like this aren't humanly possible by the way lag compensation that everybody was talking about in the comment section has nothing to do with this piece of evidence since it only made the shot register a bit later due to fat magic spinning on the server focus on this one frame because this is where the mouse button was clicked and this is the only frame that really matters a lot of people in the comments section also brought up the fact that fat magic's videos are recorded in 60 fps while he has a 240hz monitor meaning that we don't see three-fourths of what's actually going on on the screen yeah it would have explained the shot being easier to hit for fat magic since he sees more frames than us but sadly this is not the thing and no one even talked about why in reality high refresh rate monitors including the one fat magic users only make tf2 look smoother they do not make the hit registration better because it's actually limited in tf2 by a thing called tickrate every gaming server has a certain tickrate to not make you confused about all this technical [ __ ] i just want you to think of t crate as a true refresh rate of a server official valve public service have a tick rate of 66 meaning that the game information is being processed 66 times per second some community servers might have higher tick rates which does in fact improve heat registration due to faster processing speeds it makes it more precise valerian for example is running service at 128 degree twice as big as tf2 official valve servers so what does this have to do with this fat magic clip firstly the 240hz monitor comments are irrelevant but secondly the tiny difference between a 60fps video and a 66t crate of a server actually matters it's safe to say that there could have been a different frame where the crosshair crossed the spice head hitbox a frame that also could have registered a shot on a 66 tick rate server but we can't see it because the fps of the video is roughly nine percent smaller and due to the small desynchronization we simply cannot see what the server sees and hey i even recorded a proof i recorded this drive by flick in 66 frames per second which is equivalent to 66 tick rate well almost equivalent because the tick rate is actually 66.666 whatever and then i converted this same clip into 60 frames per second in 66 fps you can see this frame right here the crosshair is on the scout's head while in 60 fps yeah it's gone there you have it so what the show is only slightly less impossible now is something that some of you might want to say fair point that's why the only way to prove that it's possible to hit the shots for a human is trying to find someone else's shots that are similar to fat magics so i went to check on one of wadabi's latest sniper videos and to my surprise i found a similar clip very quickly this one looks even more suspicious than that magic's clip if you ask me because it feels like the crosshair was never on the sniper's head it's not silent anybody because here are the particles which you can see a bit later due to the lag compensation of what a base ping they're not coming from the center of the sniper's head they're coming from the point of the shot registration which happened here on this one frame you can even see a hole in the wall another frame perfect headshot from a different player a shot that barely touches the sniper's head hitbox here's another clip coming from a sniper named jaybird one of the best sniper mains i know by the way his crosshair goes to the left meets the edge of the engineer's head hitbox on this one and only frame again and this is exactly where he clicks his mouse no silent aimbot due to the particles just another legitimate one frame perfect shot on the very edge of the head hitbox i also decided to include this clip from a lazy purple's video where you don't even see the registration frame at all i see my target identify the path their head is traveling on and then practically guess you can't even see the frame where i cross his head and you know why there is no frame because as i said earlier 60 fps video did not capture the 66 tick rate service frame of the shot registration so not only it is possible for human player to hit these shots but they're also possible to hit pretty consistently for a good sniper player with the established muscle memory i mean okay there is still a possibility of trigger bot usage since we can never say for sure but trying to infer that it's definitely trigger bot is completely wrong moving to the next clip smg silent aimbot nothing much to say about this one venusian initially called it silent aimbot then in the second video he would admit that it was not silent anybody as for all the remaining clips from the first fat magic video i don't want to go that deep into them since the accusations aren't as significant in my opinion it's just speculations about triggerbot usage over and over again it might be trigger but it might be not i will say a few things though venusian points out a possibility of fat magic using wall hacks or so called esp in this clip because fat magic pre-aimed an enemy sniper around the corner that's not to say that fat magic couldn't be employing the use of esp or wall hacks as they are more commonly known while well fat magic could see the same sniper at the same position a few seconds earlier why would you ever bring up wall hacks here also venusian showed the wrong frame where the shot registered with that sniper his crosshair placement is at the absolute edge of the sniper's head hit box this is not the frame this is where fat magic actually clicked most one button according to the blood splatters that will come up later due to once again the lag compensation this shot was never really on the very edge of the sniper's head hitbox in this instance now the nitro chat message is very suspicious but other cheating clients which are region and maobox also have the tutor detecting functions and they're known for giving false positives on legit players pretty often even though nitro is a different cheat it's not unreasonable to guess that it might also have the same issue you can't trust it secondly the nitro message could have been faked by a cheater that fed magic played against and uh i honestly don't think that if it was real fat magic would post a video where he exposes himself like this like it doesn't make sense so this piece of evidence also cannot be used as a definitive proof of fat magic cheating as for this flick on a soldier it does look sassy i agree so i asked jaybird to share any of his clips where his flick looks unnatural and oh boy his aim goes left to the right to the left again in a span of a few milliseconds that's how flicks may look sometimes yeah it doesn't prove anything this all concludes the first fat magic video by venusian rapper as being extremely flawed and inaccurate one of the reasons why it wasn't perceived that well by the viewers however venusian would double down on his accusations with the release of his second video fat magic 100 percent cheats a huge part of this video is rambling about serie a man's reply that i won't go through of course yet i would like to pay attention to this phrase specifically the first time something like this happens it's coincidence the second time it happens it's suspicious the third time it happens it's blatant this logic is rather odd not only it implies that if there are quite a bunch of coincidences it means that a person is cheating even though each individual coincidence cannot be proven to be 100 cheats but also venusian would later use this same logic in a try to accuse varabe of closely cheating because there were a lot of comments coming from people that found similarities in varabays and fat magic's aim styles aka weird flicks or micro adjustments and this time venusian decided to not even do any kind of research instead he casually accused another youtuber of being a closet shooter as well but hey he said that you didn't hear it from him so he can later say that it was just a bait later in his second fat magic video he would show some more clips of the alleged cheat's usage including fat magic trying to delay his shot so he lands it successfully later because the spy is doing unpredictable straights but it can be possibly an instance of trigger butt failure which is kinda true including fat magic trying to hit the leg in heavy but apparently it might be another trigger butt failure plus backtrack cheats which is questionable including this clip where the crosshair is on the soldier's shoulder but it's a headshot to which venusian implies that it might be silent aimbot most of these clips are coming from a tutor named machidonian by the way a guy who has zero [ __ ] idea on how team fortress 2 works and what to actually look at where are you aiming well maybe you're showing the wrong [ __ ] frame this is where the shot connected the crosshair is on the soldier's head hitbox even though on the edge of it again and due to the lag compensation a few frames later the blood particles would come out of the same position you're just showing wrong frames to people let me show you a clip from venusian rapper's own gameplay video where is he aiming at what what this is the point of the hit registration and the blasp letters and a critical hit message always appear later if a player has a high ping just go watch a video about lag compensation mcedonia i'll drop a link for you in the description oh wait i i forgot i forgot about the ammo counter yeah because it goes down one bullet on this frame meaning that i'm i'm mistaken about when the shot was made but let's rewatch for the bass clip here the shot happens the mouse one button is clicked once again you can even see a hole in a wall and only five [ __ ] frames later the ammo counter goes down more to say when varabe uploaded the video where this clip originates from he decided to bait macedonian and other goons he asked someone to send his own video to venusian's discord server and here are the reactions bro where is he aiming at well mao that 429 one bro hello shows the picture with the hole in the wall bully hits the wall shot registers his head question marks bro all of these [ __ ] retards are cheating hahaha jeez i'm going to give up on these closing losers there is no way that this is considered legit unless team fortress 2 is this [ __ ] [ __ ] no machidonian it's now confirmed that you are [ __ ] and highly incompetent what too much shooting does to a [ __ ] still it's worth explaining that the hole in the wall is the same thing as the wounds on a pyro in this another fat magic clip we see the wound on the shoulder yet it registers as a head shot why this happens is because wounds and some other effects like holes are client-sided they appear on your screen but not on the actual server the server calculates information differently sometimes tf2 lies to you here's a moment from venusian's own gameplay video again i love it when you hit them in the head and blood shows up on their head but it doesn't register damage quite honestly now i'm done with the sneak peeking [ __ ] i agree that fat magic could be utilizing trigger pod allegedly but the way y'all interpreted some of these clips is so inaccurate because you don't even know which frames to look at you don't know much about particle effects you brush off the lag compensation while you look at the cross replacement after the shot was already made like the main trigger board idea is correct but it's all about your lack of experience to properly explain it all let's finally move to the 100 proof of fat magic cheating which is this clip we see his crosshair placement as he moves it around the scout's head never making contact with the center of the head hitbox itself yet strangely enough the blood particle effect appears at the center of where the scout's head hitbox was never mind how the shot fires above the scout's head looking at the change in the ammo counter there is no conceivable way this is anything other than silent aim well since you hopefully already learned that bringing up the ammo counter is the wrong thing to do as i explained earlier since it does not determine the exact moment of someone clicking mouse 1 button you cannot see the frame where the shot was made the same way you don't see the frame in the lazy purple's video the same way you don't see the frame in my own clip where i proved it there is a different frame that you cannot see due to the difference between a 60fps video recording and a 60 60 grade office server if we combine these two frames leave these two crosshair positions and maybe add some more from other frames to be more precise and draw a line between them you can see that it crosses the scout's head hitbox we can then put another possible crosshair position right here let's say this is where the shot was made on a missing frame meaning that the blood splatters should come out of this same position later right and when we finally add the frame with the blood splitters oh [ __ ] it aligns perfectly meaning that it's still not a definitive proof of the silent aimbot usage alright we made it through the second venusian rapper's video but before i finally state my own conclusion on the whole case there's still venusian's strongest piece of evidence remaining the irrefutable one the trump card of the whole investigation which is his short third video called for fat magix fans in this video venusian uses a piece of evidence coming from another cheater that spectated fat magic while he was recording his fighting a blade and aimbot video in this clip fat magic's aim does a little snap when he shoots his sniper rifle let me remind you that p silent aimbot got patched a while ago so it now always does snaps in spectator cameras meaning that fat magic seems to have used silent aimbot here the first time i watched this clip i didn't really catch anything suspicious because spectator cameras act weird 24 7. they are broken there was a video reply coming from this person uh where he talked about it the clip that venusian used to say that hey period fat magic is cheating is actually not true because this is just how spectating works spectating is very very bad in tf2 but it was not enough for me i wanted to figure out the truth and so i myself spectated a real silent abod user [Music] if we have a closer look at any of these shots in slow motion there is a clear pattern going through all of them which is a sniper rifle doing a shot first you can even see the muzzle flash as well as the blood splatters indicating a successful shot and only a few frames later the crosser actually snaps right on the point of the shot registration every time even with a smaller silent handbot field of view with this new knowledge let's rewatch the fat magic clip here's the shot but the snap happens at the same time and even funnier the crosshair snaps to the left from the registration particles which is not how it worked in my footage it looks differently how can you keep saying that it's a definitive proof of anything when you haven't even fact checked the [ __ ] yourself you had the resources you could have spectated your cheater friends could have compared clips but instead you went oh there is a snap in spectator camera this soundtain but nothing else like fat magic cheats confirmed all of his fans are [ __ ] what the [ __ ] is this this is why you will never be a real hacker police officer [ __ ] oh yeah fat magic actually saved the recording of this clip and he sent it to me [Music] this is like the least suspicious shot from fat magic that i've seen so far prove me [ __ ] wrong and now since we're done with all of the evidence at least from venusian rappers videos let us finally pass judgement on fat magic did these videos prove that fat magic is a closer cheater no it is definitely a no there are so many inaccuracies in all three of the videos like no shot bro is fat magic a cheater this will be underwhelming for you maybe or maybe he's not i personally think that he does not use a silent thing but or wall hacks but trigger but you know this idea has potential after i reviewed all the clips i have my own suspicions about fat magic and one day i might investigate him myself again again wait yeah from the people who think that i'm biased towards fat magic because of oh wow would i be recorded one collab with them more than a year ago they they gotta be friends but abi's gonna try to defend him shut the [ __ ] up not to say that they didn't even talk much ever after the collaboration but officer vorovsky in fact had his own investigation going in the background before venusian's videos were even published but every time i managed to find logical explanations to all of my evidence i simply couldn't get the definitive answer and i think in tf2 we always gotta follow the rule of innocent till proven guilty if you ever see another hacker police episode of fat magic you will know what it will all be about i would never defend a closer cheater i [ __ ] despise them especially if it turns out that a closet cheater has so many followers that he's been lying to the whole time there's no way anyone should ever defend this so why did i even make this video why did it take me so long well this was the day when i made my decision i made a community post where i confirmed my upcoming video on fat magic what happened that day would i be messaged fat magic about another evidence piece which is fat magic's old email being in use on the myobox forums when i first heard about it i i was a bit shocked not gonna lie i was like yeah this is it he's [ __ ] but that same day i found this video by v sync and i'm gonna put this gmail in um we don't know if this is real or not okay you guys and oh my gosh look at that that this is this is definitive proof that fat magic is cheating so basically you can use any email even the one that does not exist even someone else's email you can register those emails on myobox without any verification and then if you'll try to register them again it will say that the email is already in use conveniently this email information appeared at the same time with someone pretty much doxxing the fat magick's old youtube channel where he showed his face when he was a child it seems like someone tried to forge the evidence to make fat magic look even more guilty as well as they docked his old youtube channel which is obviously completely [ __ ] up and when i saw venusian rapper and his team believing all of that and sharing a link to fat magic's old channel on their discord server i went [ __ ] furious because it wasn't even about them investigating fat magic anymore it was about attacking a person this is why i made this video my huge thanks to all the peeps who helped me making this video and stated their own unbiased opinions i'll separately mention an opinion from a guy named go twin he has played around 20 000 hours of tf2 and most of these hours he hasn't played legit he's also been administrating a russian server for quite a while where he's gotten good experience with catching cheaters he's also the only person i've seen who finally mentioned tickray goten also asked his boss to state their opinions of fat magic sadly they did not agree for me to show their names but the results are 20 of them think fat magic cheats while 80 of them think he's legit and now a cherry on top to wrap this video up what if i told you that this whole time venusian rapper a person making fun of cheaters in his videos a person saying how much he hates closets a person making three fat magic videos trying to cancel him has always been a closet cheater himself oh no here's the cheating evidence but it will not be me who will use it sadly it will not be hacker police because oh boy is there more terrible [ __ ] that this person has done oh boy there is more so i'll save my cheating evidence from the nation rapper for varabe's upcoming episode of freak show but for now this is it for today's episode of hacker police hope you all enjoyed it make sure to leave a like and comment down below and of course subscribe to this channel for more content in the future it was me officer varovsky see you the next one and always remember cheating is for [ __ ] peace this video couldn't have been made without the help of countless others who have provided their insight opinions and critique to not only my first video but in general regarding this entire process you're only proving more and more that you're a [ __ ] who's defending a blatant closet cheater

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Id: s5h2oOSe4tE

Length: 28min 7sec (1687 seconds)

Published: Tue Sep 13 2022