FA-18C Hornet vs JF-17 Thunder: BVR Battle & Dogfight | DCS

hello valued viewers I hope you're all doing very well a couple of weeks ago we did this battle f-16c versus jf7 it was a good fight but the F-16 smashed the jf-17 you guys made some requests of how to change the jf1 17 for the next battle this time though it's taking on the F-18 the two requests regarding the JF were first remove the fuel probe which slows it down slightly so we've removed the fuel probe as well as that we've allowed two different Loadout versions one with this twin sd10 rack which really slows the plane down and another version with just single racks and it's up to the boys which variant they want to run because we had real problems getting the JF up to speed the third idea you guys had is to make sure that we do Loft the aircraft when firing the missiles at long range and I'm pretty sure we did that in the previous battle but I'll make sure we do it this time as well well so otherwise it's the jf1 17 with either the twin Mount sd10 so that is four missiles or two missiles and the pl5 Chinese side winders and an internal Cannon starting 100 miles away everyone starting at 26,000 ft and 600 knots so nearly Mac 1 we have the f-18s they will be in this load out we're not going for full murder spec because it's really unrealistic to have 12 or 14 missiles or whatever it is and we won't need them anyway so we're going to six a120 C's the best missile that can carry in core game and two a9x side winders and internal Cannon we'll make sure we mix the teams around and mix skill levels because we are a mixed skill group and that's it we have data links enabled in terms of peer-to-peer and awax on both sides guys predictions who's going to win this battle and why think the Hornet's pretty pretty well Superior Roger well remember the F-16 really won last time because if it's amazing kinematics by the time it fired its first missile it was doing Mark 1.7 that allows a first really strong shot but also a really good chance of dodging a missile the F-18 as good as it is and is a very good plane does not have that kinematic ability so I think that's been a bit more ealed out that said at the end of the day it can go a bit faster and it can or is carrying more missile so you've got to go for the F18 in that case I think welcome round one uh myself Simba and dark are in Jeffs I'm in a four missile Jeff dark's in a four you in a two missile Simba a firm I'm going to go for Speed right so me and dark have got four missiles let's see what happens against Hornets push bird and cannonbolt guys I think they probably still have a better plane how we're going to do this well I'm going to I'm going to go ahead and hit an orbit to try and get speed so when I enter the fight I'll be at a high kinetic or the best kinetics I can get right so me and Doc going in F missiles Dodge missiles then you come bundling it in for the kills right all right guys I'm pausing good luck all right bton wington Jeff let's get this baby set up viewers uh so dat link set counter measures set we need to feed the gunun just in case Set uh intercept mode set the radar up right I'm done heading in Hornets on data link 60 Mi that's Simba that's myself and that's dark uh what altitude do you suggest is best for firing initial shot Simba with this airplane I probably wouldn't get any higher than 30 cuz you're just not fast enough see we're running into the same problem even without the elephants uh penis viewers I'm I can still barely break Mark 1 it's such a deficit there's just no power in this Simba's going to come for a long bomb with his strip down version but I don't think it's going to get much faster okay Hornets a split left right and Center uh yeah went up to 35 to start and now I'm diving back down to get uh what Mark have you managed oh you're exactly the same as me you're right next to me all right 1.2 in committing I'm on data link Target 11 50,000 he's 50,000 ft he's waiting to be shot isn't he oh yeah fire fire at that guy watch just searching on radar that is an ambitious poog driver viewers there he is Target trying to lock now 49,000 ft box 3 Box 3 uh who have you fired on the two on the right or the middle on the right Roger don't forget you need to Loft them by aiming up 15° y otherwise they won't work cap lofting firing on data link 11 three cranking left Go baby go my viewers that's the best I can do i' I've got the guy on the left locked up right on the left crank this's active turning cold remind me how you know it doesn't matter wow you did well dark I'm 12 seconds behind you cap 3 seconds still active C is Miles got it to 1.3 and a 18° climb loed at 34,000 ft watch out I'm going for the Target in front of me I'm got a missile on me get out my I'm on your target as well s but I'll just double up a I'm just holding my Splash one push all right viewers we are beating Hornets the guy's going cold simber that you shot on yep I got a missile on me Roger I clean on him I'll chase him down and I got an active missile on him I'll probably not hit him but right viewers I'm chasing this guy down his data link 33 14 mil he's out accelerating me now but I'll be all right uh just you all know I'm chasing data link 33 about to lose him [ __ ] firey up just in case it's into memory mode I've got missile out on him right what Angels is yet he's dive to the floor he's dive to the floor I'm into ACM and I've lost the contact all right I've dodged my missile I'm climbing High I'm an ACM search come on friend what's your Ranger s got one of them at 14 is that one of you that's one of you yes right I'm down on the deck got one off through nose cap are you in I'm in ATM looking for him how far is he uh Vis Vis Vis Vis Vis Vis chase him I have tone but I'm out of range he just disappeared behind the hill where have you gone friend turning right he's turning right he'll come back at me then waiting for him to he's moving to your right and you have another Bandit coming in high on your left you de fire on the one coming in no Tim temporary a wax I reckon I merged somewhere am I merg Timber can you say yes uh he was going from your right to left I've got one off my nose Angel's 11 that's when I fir 30 mil watch out merge viewers is here somewhere oh we got him on data link now here link the official Target oh give me a helmet cap still at range 6 miles come on little Jeff he's out running me I can't catch up and I'm not in range ignore that that's wrong still on Dat link 33 s is moving to the St 33 is moving to the center of the island did link 34 it's moving right to left son of a [ __ ] just stop running going up 5 20 mil ah [ __ ] I lost him I lost him God damn it viewers break out right can't break them right I made didn't safe son's a [ __ ] Hornet we will root those suckers out viewers all right I'm just down to Fox twos yeah same right I'm after dat Ling 34 oh merg with 33 or maybe that was you Simba I'm up high yes you merged with 33 someone just fired a missile some I don't know who it was yep okay I who you firing on oh he shot someone who did you shoot bird oh that was 33 right we just got 34 dead oh [ __ ] 34 is merging with us Y bird shot me now where is he he was six when I died Roger look for him doc keep low here I'm in a right tight turn I'm low stra ahead of me I'm going to miss L me though got to go watch out which way were you heading roughly uh 36 Z I'm coming you're by yourself oh God all right trust in data link trusting data link I'm on him all right dat link 34 it's Cannonball he's a good driver there I got him I've got him 6 miles God damn it everything's out of range oh baring you still have an sd10 on your wing oh you kidding me too late gunfight yes bring it on our viewers I believe that is how you kind of do it you made that harder for us well number boys that was um that was a real good fight though is bird still in the fight no I killed bird that was jolly good viewers what a great first round so Hornet split we stayed uh we did two plus one sim 20 mil behind you guys split left right both seem to work pretty well we did the first shots at 42 miles st10 for the win push on WE shot at dat L 3 11 and for 34 34 goes low day link 11 takes it in the chaff he's just up high can't Dodge up there um Simba takes St link 33 on the left that is bird far each other now a bird loses track of me and I'll come in the side amazing you survive me bird I fire him at 10 miles Cannibal's off doing a thing dark Dodges I'm now chasing bird look at look at that how close that is bird I know roughly where you are I'm I'm tracking you dark's fighting Cannonball we lose each other I find you I chase you but you're too fast Syfy on dark yeah look at that I get fired on dodged the missile great communication by the Reds Simba's telling Simba's up high telling me everything that's going on by the way Simba oh so so kind of bird fires as he dies and Sim can't do much up there and get shot down and then it's one-onone poof what a great match guys I did get the Jeff up to Mark 1.3 no you did look at that Simba and I want to say that S10 almost gets to mark four so the question now is what's better uh 0.3 extra Mark yes it does it gets over mark four uh 0.3 extra Mark or an extra two missiles I'm going to take the two missiles guys welcome back um bird and cannibal don't have the Jeff so they will have to stick as Hornets today um I am now in a hornet so it's myself bird and cannibal versus dark push and Simba well their missile has the better range than ours it's just hard to get speed in this bird like in the F16 was to help with the Loft on your Am ram I I think if we stick together it I don't know if it will confuse their missiles but it may just make us a quick three three ship dead Roger well in that case why don't we go for a chainsaw myself and cannonbal go in initially bird you start with a 360 to give you 20 m space and then follow up the rear how about that sounds good I'll make a left 360 from the start just remember to turn your data link on when we start I'm pausing now right oh it's loud in here right data link on saving to on check choose side Winder uh sorry choose am check counter measures check hmd check screens set set all right right we got more powerful engines this time viewers or or two engines so I'm going up high right one of them's going right one's going head on and one is not on scanner yet Simba will be the third guy he'll be faster but have less missiles okay got bricks on the scope I had the first guy lock I'm going to lock two on launching steer negative second gu gone is cranking off Simba's now on scope yeah I'm going Mark 1.3 I think I'm going to send one out of parameters yep thinking about it laugh have you fired on the first guy just now [ __ ] 3 watch out they all appear to be doing the same thing they're all uh in trail yeah box on the first sky for good measure and off into a crank cap right crank right that first sky is going to go cold soon B so you concentrate on the other two copy [ __ ] lost contact for the amam that's annoying okay he's avoiding your missile now simers Angels 37 is a threat on strong defensive I'm locking the second target yeah first guy's gone cold second guy is Angels 24 Mark 1 I've lost the first guy on my radar firing on second guy now box three godamn third guy losing contact what is that why can't I see him why can't I see him viewers Radar's going wall turning back in all right two Fox twos on those twos that are knows hot and I'm cranking to the right cive that's a radar problem so I got too close Splash Do Splash dog okay missile defeated all right Hornet this is a freaking machine putting a second Fox two on the Target that was close to cap uh fox 3 even I'm out running the missiles now three on Simba I think High Target cold cold cold bird's going cold H yeah I got too close DA's not working I don't know why Park three time two I think I'm hitting s when I'm going now Splash poo oh down is it just Simba yes yes it is whoever I hit is smoking that may have been push turn you back in I've got a missile on my six and I'm going down the deck okay missile defeated anyone Sim Angels last none was 37 so he was high do not have him on sa I do not have him on sa either he must be in the mountain so dead so he's probably not dead so he's probably in the mountains guys I'm going to stay up high as awax I can feed you information found a contact but I think it's you bir stand I don't think so there's someone tailing me I got tailing me he's tailing Meer is he close close close 20 miles heading 1 19 miles still got a radar lock but he should be in the mountains here just lost it just lost it I found him I found him 12 miles 12 miles memory mode I'm losing it are you taking on Fox 3 is that it I've lost it I've lost it lost the contact I'm heading into ACM searching for him I got him at 6 miles Fox through three dat link shows you guys mixed up with him you stay out cannibal you stay out that's security bird is he low low low airm airm low low low all right Fox two on him die Sim your big KN head I'm on his six I'm here but I haven't got you guys cannibal just keep an eye on this there's not much point to be being he fired a missile up someone he fired a missile up highing it's cannibal it's cannibal probably search for you guys right not on data link he's not here I have lost him here in the mountains all right all right all right just chill just take a check at the wing shape bar he's off my nose few miles he's back on data link he's off data link Sim cannibal you still up yep yeah I see cannibal all right I think he's chasing you then if there's anything I'm where he was 2 minutes ago I've got no visual who's that bird I'm on your left left left I'm on your left left left miles bike where's it coming from he's mix in with you on data link [ __ ] he's on my six he's on my six bird left drop down there's a smoky engine behind me my six I'm getting into the hills cannibal is behind me I'm bringing him out to se for [Music] you lock that's why you check your six views Ro I see him flaring heads down in the canyon okay Fox three yeah I'm going to try and hide from the fox I'm way up above him so it should track well I can see his cap I can't see the Jeff may have done a bad C maybe it was you oh God that may not have worked how viers oh no friend oh that was you sorry didn't or anything all right I'm going to watch God damn it where is head is zimba are we going out to the right SE or is this the one away from our awax that I was going to go towards our awax so we get coverage that is our awax cannibal oh that would be me Bingo right he's behind you he's on data link behind you yeah well I'm using the hills for cover you tell me which way you want me to turn towards you yeah I'll stay in cover I'm going to try and flush them out I have him loed deliberately not going out to sea he not going into the Trap son of a [ __ ] loost him well if he's in the Sim spec J he may not have any more Fox 3es idea of having an a up high is a good idea okay lock him nice uh or I should say ray gun so I don't shoot you again you're good you're good I'm uh off your right wing man you can't have any fuel [ __ ] three yes die Simba why won't you just die tell me you've still got track negative L track it's act I think it's active it's active it's active oh Simba it can see you this dead man is a dead map woo good he didn't die he hit him and he didn't die he's still alive oh no son of a [ __ ] Simba well uh that's OD viewers hate this radar while battle view every time I do something it's like I want to look up he may be on my six I don't know he may have looked at me all you is who would have thought it' still be going 14-minute dog fight yes oh found he's dead he's dead he's got his gear out he never had an engine just die Simba why won't you just die I swear he got Invincible freaking mode on God damn it Telly doesn't shoot you Telly doesn't shoot you is that fuel finally oh and he has to eject freaking sh off well you know what Hornet wins I can live with that that was ugly he shot a parachute Cannon will fired first a huge R is Simba at the front who would have thought uh right F at Simba I F at Simba oh Simba fir back Simba dodged the missiles cannibal dodg the missiles I then fight dark I had all sorts of problems on my radar so I got nice ugly clothes oh Jesus I just I got missiles at him kill dark kill dark and escape the missile super capap bird comes in so it's 3v2 bird starts pummeling everything everyone on twiz gets push Simba gets double our initial plan was I was going to come in high and fast and turn at least two of you cold and then I was going to fall back and be the awax that fell apart before I could even get turned back nose hot strangely the only reason I managed to kill dark is cuz I had a radar malfunction or or I did something wrong with my radar and I got artificially close to him and that's how I got the kill um so it's weird so it would have worked otherwise zimba but that's just the LW of combat I've went into combat mode which is still not advisable and I burned through so much fuel in the beginning and uh the last like probably 5 minutes of the fight I was on less than 1,000 PB now this B this bit oh you were there you were there I knew it because it had I saw the Russian engine so I look behind me viewers right there I saw the Russian engine which is unmistakable and I said Cannonball I'm coming out to se shoot the thing coming out to se at that point Simba doesn't fall for it he turns away just as the missile is fired and it locks on to me and kills me but I did get hits on you then it was just a magic man hunt of everyone trying to find s and he kept nice and low oh look at that oh yeah it didn't register I don't know didn't kill him for some reason battle continues oh it it actually right behind him yeah hit right behind me so I took like Flack damage but it wasn't a direct hit and yeah I knew that you got they were going to try and pull me out to see and I was just like not happening and then I'm sure and then I heard I I saw the gunfire come from behind me and I'm like oh he's got to overshoot I spray got nothing for it deciding round myself and Doc are Jeff Simba and bird are horny it's 2v2 because cannibal had to run we can't do three versus two obviously push is going to watch check no one cheats my best idea was a chainsaw so one guy ahead the other guy 10 miles behind your thoughts sounds good right obviously I want to win so I'm going to unpause it now so they don't have any time to plan it's in the rules viewers it's in the rules punching it China's um affordable export Fighter versus US Navy's Legacy Hornet which is a very good track record I think Pakistan had a handing building this as well cap bricks 40 Mi lofting I'm on contact 33 I don't know where the other one's gone box three lofter you fire the one at 36 uh it was a it was contact 37 uh sorry it was dat Link contact 33 the other one is contact 11 he's further back 10 miles they've got a chainsaw as well I'm offset crank left uh North caps missile is active going the other way missile evading going low come a little Jeff turning this defeated re-engaging fual missile look at that stick it was right there VI see it that's so funny that was uh closer than I was hoping right I'm now moving on to data link uh reference 11 34,000 ft brick locked him 32 Mi he's fired at me and he's cranking to my left I have to fire at him box 3 left crank Miss Miss missile going evasive three c west poting a missile leave me alone it's not defeated C re engaging looking for dat link 33 now turning out there's one that's hot on me still towards you A brick right next to me I don't know who it is is it you yeah turn right no shoot F there's two both of them right there Jesus turn harder right turn harder right okay I've got to kill this guy let me kill this guy I see the other guy are you alive yes oh you just keep doing what you're doing it's fine I'm chasing this guy away I'm chasing yeah I'm pretty sure they're both cold you ONN it on it me dark I'm chasing him away I'm going to go high and try and get better fuel consumption I've lost eight link 33 is off my scope probably went low I'm chasing data link 11 North due north to his awax come on Dat link 11 just pack it in you know you can't win this Got Dat link 33 coming towards me can you do him yep I see him this guy's gone into a freaking Notch s on Dat link 11 die time for you to die sir dat link 33 is fired at me caps turning away from it caps westbound dodging missiles oh this is some match viewers some se s right now yes Simba in The chops Sim finally gets what he deserves not sure if this is you or him I'm heading I'm heading west west west I'm at 177,000 West West West I'm 177,000 Bing missiles I've been running away from missiles all this time so I'm trying to search for datl 33 stop chasing me stupid missile we're both dead oh they're both dead welcome back viewers what an upset right let's see what happens so Reds we did a chainsaw 10 m spread Blues did a chainsaw 10 20 M spread uh I get my first shot off you get your first shot off bird we Dodge each other's missiles yours got real close I saw it in my I saw it look at that geez right uh the next layer hits dark Fires at Simba cancels Miss missile too early for some reason turns around so that didn't work but never mind uh it cancel itself somehow all right so I just turned cold SYM ofies it me I fire at Simba both Dodge each other's missiles I uh goal was to try to single you out because we had you out to see I was trying to do the same to you uh dark fires everything pushes the everything button against uh bird I fire at Simba bird evade Simba outrun up by a mega Bunch I'm chasing Simba and I know he can't turn and he knows he can't turn uh so I'm coming for you now comes for me here's the error Simba should have just waited it out but he turns in hot I meant a shot he Fires at dark I take this shot he Al or or does he who no I I locked up dark mhm and then my missile changed to you oh that's what we were seeing with the um how about that modded missile the other day remember Simba when it just hooked and turned there you go that's that's that's the thing even if the friendly fire hadn't have happened I would have it would have been two on one at that point I don't think there's much better could have done because look he was squashed he had my sd10 hunting him right now too so three really good matches guys all for different reasons and you know mixing a matching pilot skill which we do it actually had the Jeff winning which I none of us predicted that question is why I felt that bog was better kinematically I could get faster I could turn harder and I could turn tighter the missiles as far as I'm aware about the same and you know I haven't measured them lately but let's assuming they're about the same avionics are about as good as each other close in bogs better it turns better and it's got a helmet Mount display but rarely did we actually get close in so why did the Jeffs win was it just that's what happened on the day I think it was just you know the situation um in that last match we were too split and you guys were in the right positions to help us um it's unfortunate that that Simba missile decided you know what this F18 looks better than that j17 certainly not a scientific oper observation but it looked like the uh the a220s were slowing down when they got into thick air quite a bit faster than the S10s were Jeffs were just out running them a lot of times like right there here's the interesting thing the F-16 thrashed Jeff and this is all the same Pilots but bog slightly lost to it isn't that an interesting thing I think there was an update to the m120 maybe that's yeah maybe that's changed it no also the F16 is just a better aircraft kinematically uh the radar is a lot nicer the twizz mode on the radar on the F16 is so much better than the F18 I reckon it's the speed of that F-16 because I remember them coming in at Mark 1.7 and going out a mark 1.7 flat now that's a hard thing to fight whereas the max in a level I saw uh an F18 was Mac 1.4 it's still Ian it's still better than than the Jeff but viewers I'll ask for your feedback we've done everything as fairly and squarely as we can there's not much sure what else I can do with that I hope you enjoyed it otherwise and bye-bye

Channel: Grim Reapers

Views: 22,466

Keywords: DCS, DCS World, GR, F18, F-18, F-18C, FA-18C, F/A-18C, Hornet, JF-17, Dogfight, Missile, AMRAAM

Id: 3YlIcoavszw

Length: 32min 34sec (1954 seconds)

Published: Sun Nov 26 2023