WAITING FOR, THE END OF MY SHOW, AND "THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW" AND "THE RACHEL MADDOW SHOW" BEGINS. BEGINS. >> THANKS A LOT, MY FRIEND. >> THANKS A LOT, MY FRIEND. \S \S >>> LAST NIGHT ON THE EVENING OF >>> LAST NIGHT ON THE EVENING OF THE IMPEACHMENT ARTICLES BEING THE IMPEACHMENT ARTICLES BEING CONVEYED FROM THE HOUSE TO THE CONVEYED FROM THE HOUSE TO THE SENATE FOR THE START OF THE SENATE FOR THE START OF THE SENATE TRIAL THAT WILL DECIDE SENATE TRIAL THAT WILL DECIDE WHETHER OR NOT PRESIDENT TRUMP WHETHER OR NOT PRESIDENT TRUMP IS REMOVED FROM OFFICE, LAST IS REMOVED FROM OFFICE, LAST NIGHT THE COMMITTEES THAT NIGHT THE COMMITTEES THAT CONDUCTED THE IMPEACHMENT CONDUCTED THE IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATION ADDED A BONUS INVESTIGATION ADDED A BONUS ROUND TO THE MATERIALS THAT THEY ROUND TO THE MATERIALS THAT THEY PLANNED TO CONVEY TO THE SENATE. PLANNED TO CONVEY TO THE SENATE. ALONGSIDE THE ARTICLES OF ALONGSIDE THE ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT, THEY ADDED NEW IMPEACHMENT, THEY ADDED NEW EVIDENCE. EVIDENCE. THESE NEWLY OBTAINED DOCUMENTS THESE NEWLY OBTAINED DOCUMENTS AND TEXT MESSAGES FROM A MAN AND TEXT MESSAGES FROM A MAN NAMED LEV PARNAS. NAMED LEV PARNAS. LEV PARNAS IS A SOVIET-BORN, LEV PARNAS IS A SOVIET-BORN, RUSSIAN-SPEAKING U.S. CITIZEN RUSSIAN-SPEAKING U.S. CITIZEN WHO WORKED CLOSELY WITH WHO WORKED CLOSELY WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP’S PERSONAL PRESIDENT TRUMP’S PERSONAL LAWYER RUDY GIULIANI ON THE LAWYER RUDY GIULIANI ON THE SCHEME IN UKRAINE, FOR WHICH THE SCHEME IN UKRAINE, FOR WHICH THE PRESIDENT HAS NOBODY YOU PRESIDENT HAS NOBODY YOU IMPEACHED. IMPEACHED. TO PRESSURE UKRAINE ANNOUNCING TO PRESSURE UKRAINE ANNOUNCING INVESTIGATION OF JOE BIDEN, THE INVESTIGATION OF JOE BIDEN, THE CONCURRENT USE OF MILITARY AID, CONCURRENT USE OF MILITARY AID, A AND VISITS WITH U.S. A AND VISITS WITH U.S. GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, AND OTHER GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS, AND OTHER THINGS THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT THINGS THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT DESPERATELY WANTED, BASICALLY’S DESPERATELY WANTED, BASICALLY’S COUNTRY COUNTRY KUDGELS. KUDGELS. TONIGHT THE ARTICLES OF TONIGHT THE ARTICLES OF IMPEACHMENT HAVE BEEN WALKED IMPEACHMENT HAVE BEEN WALKED OVER, ACTUALLY BASICALLY RIGHT OVER, ACTUALLY BASICALLY RIGHT AS THAT WAS HAPPENING, THE AS THAT WAS HAPPENING, THE IMPEACHMENT COMMITTEES IN THE IMPEACHMENT COMMITTEES IN THE HOUSE, SIMULTANEOUSLY TO THIS HOUSE, SIMULTANEOUSLY TO THIS MOMENT, RELEASED SOME ADDITIONAL MOMENT, RELEASED SOME ADDITIONAL PHONE RECORDS FROM MR. PARNAS, PHONE RECORDS FROM MR. PARNAS, WHICH HAVE REVEALED YET FURTHER WHICH HAVE REVEALED YET FURTHER INFORMATION ABOUT WHO WAS INFORMATION ABOUT WHO WAS INVOLVED IN THIS SCHEME AND HOW INVOLVED IN THIS SCHEME AND HOW IT WORKED. IT WORKED. WELL, TODAY IN NEW YORK CITY I WELL, TODAY IN NEW YORK CITY I MET WITH LEV PARNAS, AND WITH MET WITH LEV PARNAS, AND WITH HIS LAWYER JOSEPH BONDI. HIS LAWYER JOSEPH BONDI. TONIGHT WE’RE GOING TO BRENT TONIGHT WE’RE GOING TO BRENT THIS EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW. THIS EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW. MR. PARNAS HAS NEVER SPOKEN IN A MR. PARNAS HAS NEVER SPOKEN IN A TELEVISED INTERVIEW. TELEVISED INTERVIEW. HE’S NOT SPOKEN TO REPORTERS AT HE’S NOT SPOKEN TO REPORTERS AT ALL SINCE HIS NAME SURFACED IN ALL SINCE HIS NAME SURFACED IN CONJUNCTION WITH A SCANDAL AND CONJUNCTION WITH A SCANDAL AND SINCE HE WAS ARRESTED ON OCTOBER SINCE HE WAS ARRESTED ON OCTOBER 9th, WITH A ONE-WAY TICKET AT 9th, WITH A ONE-WAY TICKET AT DULLES AIRPORT. DULLES AIRPORT. HE WAS CHARGED WITH FEDERAL HE WAS CHARGED WITH FEDERAL FELONY COUNTS FOR FUNNELING FELONY COUNTS FOR FUNNELING ILLEGAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO ILLEGAL CONTRIBUTIONS TO REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES AND REPUBLICAN CANDIDATES AND CAMPAIGNS. CAMPAIGNS. MR. PARNAS IS UNDER INDICTMENT, MR. PARNAS IS UNDER INDICTMENT, AWAITING TRIAL. AWAITING TRIAL. HE HAS PLED NOT GUILTY. HE HAS PLED NOT GUILTY. HE AGREED TO SPEAK WITH ME TODAY HE AGREED TO SPEAK WITH ME TODAY ON THE CONDITION THAT HIS ON THE CONDITION THAT HIS LAWYER, JOSEPH BONDI, WOULD BE LAWYER, JOSEPH BONDI, WOULD BE SEATED ALONGSIDE HIM THROUGHOUT SEATED ALONGSIDE HIM THROUGHOUT THE INTERVIEW. THE INTERVIEW. THAT’S A CONDITION I AGREED TO. THAT’S A CONDITION I AGREED TO. TO BE HONEST, BECAUSE I AGREED TO BE HONEST, BECAUSE I AGREED TO THAT CONDITION, I FULLY TO THAT CONDITION, I FULLY EXPECTED THAT IT WOULD BE MR. EXPECTED THAT IT WOULD BE MR. BONDI, THE LAWYER, WHO DID MOST BONDI, THE LAWYER, WHO DID MOST OF THE TALKING, BUT IT DID NOT OF THE TALKING, BUT IT DID NOT WORK OUT THAT WAY. WORK OUT THAT WAY. MR. PARNAS, AS YOU SEE HERE, HE MR. PARNAS, AS YOU SEE HERE, HE IS ABSOLUTELY HERE TO IS ABSOLUTELY HERE TO HERE, HE IS ABSOLUTELY HERE TO HERE, HE IS ABSOLUTELY HERE T SPEAK FOR HIMSELF, AND IS MORE SPEAK FOR HIMSELF, AND IS MORE THAN CAPABLE OF DOING SO. THAN CAPABLE OF DOING SO. HE AND HIS ATTORNEY HAVE MADE HE AND HIS ATTORNEY HAVE MADE CLEAR IN RECENT DAYS AND WEEKS CLEAR IN RECENT DAYS AND WEEKS THAT LEV PARNAS DOES WANT TO THAT LEV PARNAS DOES WANT TO TESTIFY TO THE IMPEACHMENT TESTIFY TO THE IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATION. INVESTIGATION. THAT SAID, I CAN’T STRESS ENOUGH THAT SAID, I CAN’T STRESS ENOUGH THAT HE RIGHT NOW IS OUT ON BOND THAT HE RIGHT NOW IS OUT ON BOND AWAITING TRIAL IN FEDERAL COURT AWAITING TRIAL IN FEDERAL COURT ON SERIOUS FELONY CHARGES. ON SERIOUS FELONY CHARGES. SO THE DECISION FOR HIM TO DO SO THE DECISION FOR HIM TO DO THIS INTERVIEW WITH ME TODAY IS THIS INTERVIEW WITH ME TODAY IS VERY UNUSUAL. VERY UNUSUAL. PEOPLE IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE, IN PEOPLE IN THAT CIRCUMSTANCE, IN TERMS OF FEDERAL FELONY CHARGES, TERMS OF FEDERAL FELONY CHARGES, DON’T TYPICALLY DO MEDIA DON’T TYPICALLY DO MEDIA INTERVIEWS, BUT THEY AGREED TO INTERVIEWS, BUT THEY AGREED TO SIT DOWN WITH ME TODAY, AND WE SIT DOWN WITH ME TODAY, AND WE DID IT. DID IT. LET’S GET RIGHT TO IT. LET’S GET RIGHT TO IT. I WILL TELL YOU IN ADVANCE, TO I WILL TELL YOU IN ADVANCE, TO SET THE STAGE, IN THIS SET THE STAGE, IN THIS INTERVIEW, YOU WILL HEAR LEV INTERVIEW, YOU WILL HEAR LEV PARNAS MAKE SOME BOMBSHELL PARNAS MAKE SOME BOMBSHELL ASSERTIONS ABOUT THE INVOLVEMENT ASSERTIONS ABOUT THE INVOLVEMENT AND KNOWLEDGE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP AND KNOWLEDGE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP AND VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE IN AND VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE IN THE UKRAINE SCANDAL. THE UKRAINE SCANDAL. HE WILL MAKE A SPECIFIC HE WILL MAKE A SPECIFIC ALLEGATION ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S ALLEGATION ABOUT THE PRESIDENT’S UNIQUE ROLE IN HOLDING UP THE UNIQUE ROLE IN HOLDING UP THE U.S. AID TO UKRAINE AS AN U.S. AID TO UKRAINE AS AN ADDITIONAL LEVER OF PRESSURE ADDITIONAL LEVER OF PRESSURE AGAINST THE UKRAINIAN AGAINST THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT. GOVERNMENT. YOU WILL ALSO HEAR FAIRLY YOU WILL ALSO HEAR FAIRLY EXPLICIT ALLEGATIONS BY MR. EXPLICIT ALLEGATIONS BY MR. PARNAS ABOUT ATTORNEY GENERAL PARNAS ABOUT ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR. WILLIAM BARR. HE ALSO MAKES SOME ALLEGATIONS HE ALSO MAKES SOME ALLEGATIONS ABOUT SEVERAL OTHER MEMBERS OF ABOUT SEVERAL OTHER MEMBERS OF THE CABINET. THE CABINET. WE’LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE WE’LL TALK ABOUT SOME OF THOSE TONIGHT, AND WE’RE SAVING SOME TONIGHT, AND WE’RE SAVING SOME TO TALK ABOUT TOMORROW SO WE CAN TO TALK ABOUT TOMORROW SO WE CAN DO SOME ADDITIONAL REPORTING DO SOME ADDITIONAL REPORTING AROUND THEM. AROUND THEM. ON TOP OF ALL OF THAT, AS MR. ON TOP OF ALL OF THAT, AS MR. PARNAS MAKES PENALTYAT THE TOP O PARNAS MAKES PENALTYAT THE TOP O INTERVIEW, HE NOSE THAT IN INTERVIEW, HE NOSE THAT IN ADDITION TO ALL OF THE IT ADDITION TO ALL OF THE IT EVIDENCE, HE STILL HAS YET MORE EVIDENCE, HE STILL HAS YET MORE TO SHARE. TO SHARE. ALL RIGHT. ALL RIGHT. HERE WITH GO. HERE WITH GO. >>> MR. PARNAS, MR. BONDI, THANK >>> MR. PARNAS, MR. BONDI, THANK YOU BOTH FOR AGREES TO DO THIS. YOU BOTH FOR AGREES TO DO THIS. I KNOW THIS IS A LEAP OF TRUST I KNOW THIS IS A LEAP OF TRUST TO SPEAK PUSHILY. TO SPEAK PUSHILY. THANKS TO BOTH OF YOU FOR AGREES THANKS TO BOTH OF YOU FOR AGREES TO DO IT. TO DO IT. >> THANKS FOR HAVING US HERE. >> THANKS FOR HAVING US HERE. >> THANK YOU. >> THANK YOU. >>> LET ME ASK YOU FIRST, LEV, >>> LET ME ASK YOU FIRST, LEV, DID YOU KNOW THESE MATERIALS DID YOU KNOW THESE MATERIALS WOULD BE RELEASED PUBLICLY LAST WOULD BE RELEASED PUBLICLY LAST NIGHT? NIGHT? IT’S LANDED WITH QUITE A SPLASH. IT’S LANDED WITH QUITE A SPLASH. IT’S VERY PROVOCATIVE MATERIAL. IT’S VERY PROVOCATIVE MATERIAL. DID YOU KNOW IT WOULD BE MADE DID YOU KNOW IT WOULD BE MADE PUBLIC? PUBLIC? >> NO, I DIDN’T. >> NO, I DIDN’T. YES, IT WAS AN INCREDIBLE DAY. YES, IT WAS AN INCREDIBLE DAY. IT WAS A GODSEND WITH JOE’S HELP IT WAS A GODSEND WITH JOE’S HELP TO GET THAT IN TIME. TO GET THAT IN TIME. WE DIDN’T THINK WE WOULD MAKE WE DIDN’T THINK WE WOULD MAKE IT. IT. WE STAYED UP TO LOOK 2:00 IN THE WE STAYED UP TO LOOK 2:00 IN THE MORNING TO SEND INFORMATION. MORNING TO SEND INFORMATION. >> WHAT WAS THE DEADLINE. >> WHAT WAS THE DEADLINE. >> THE DEADLINE WAS TRYING TO >> THE DEADLINE WAS TRYING TO SAY IT TOLE INTEL CLEANSE SAY IT TOLE INTEL CLEANSE COMMITTEE. COMMITTEE. WITH THE ARTICLE GOES THE RECORD WITH THE ARTICLE GOES THE RECORD S WE HAD REASON TO BELIEVE S WE HAD REASON TO BELIEVE CERTAIN PIECES WOULD BE PUT INTO CERTAIN PIECES WOULD BE PUT INTO THE PUBLIC RECORD. THE PUBLIC RECORD. WE JUST WEREN’T SURE WHEN THAT WE JUST WEREN’T SURE WHEN THAT WOULD BE, AND WE HAD NO IDEA WOULD BE, AND WE HAD NO IDEA WHAT IT WOULD BE. WHAT IT WOULD BE. >> IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY HAVE >> IN TERMS OF WHAT THEY HAVE REAT LEASTED PUBLICLY -- SOME REAT LEASTED PUBLICLY -- SOME WAS HELD BACK, BUT IN TERMS OF WAS HELD BACK, BUT IN TERMS OF WHAT WE HAVE SEEN PUBLICLY, DOES WHAT WE HAVE SEEN PUBLICLY, DOES IT ALL LOOK AUTHENTIC? IT ALL LOOK AUTHENTIC? DOES ANY OF IT SEEM DOCTORED? DOES ANY OF IT SEEM DOCTORED? IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU HANDED IN TERMS OF WHAT YOU HANDED OVER. OVER. >> YES. >> YES. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> ARE YOU STILL PUTTING >> ARE YOU STILL PUTTING TOGETHER MORE INFORMATION TO TOGETHER MORE INFORMATION TO GIVE TO CONGRESS, OR DO YOU FEEL GIVE TO CONGRESS, OR DO YOU FEEL LIKE THE DEADLINE HAS PASSED? LIKE THE DEADLINE HAS PASSED? >> WE’LL CONTINUE MAKING >> WE’LL CONTINUE MAKING PRODUCTIONS, AS WE GET MATERIALS PRODUCTIONS, AS WE GET MATERIALS FROM SOUTHERN DISTRICT AND FROM SOUTHERN DISTRICT AND ANYTHING WE CAN POSSIBLY FIND ON ANYTHING WE CAN POSSIBLY FIND ON OUR OWN, THROUGH THE CLOUD OR OUR OWN, THROUGH THE CLOUD OR WHATEVER IT MAY BE, WE’LL WHATEVER IT MAY BE, WE’LL CONTINUE TO PRODUCE THINGS UNTIL CONTINUE TO PRODUCE THINGS UNTIL WE’RE TOLD NOT TO. WE’RE TOLD NOT TO. >> MR. PARNAS, WHY DO YOU WANT >> MR. PARNAS, WHY DO YOU WANT TO TESTIFIED? TO TESTIFIED? >> I WANT TO GET THE TRUTH OUT. >> I WANT TO GET THE TRUTH OUT. I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT FOR THE I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT FOR THE COUNTRY. COUNTRY. I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT FOR ME. I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT FOR ME. I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT FOR THE I THINK IT’S IMPORTANT FOR THE WORLD TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT WORLD TO KNOW EXACTLY WHAT TRANSPIRED, BECAUSE THERE’S A TRANSPIRED, BECAUSE THERE’S A LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE BEING LOT OF THINGS THAT ARE BEING SAID THAT ARE NOT ACCURATE. SAID THAT ARE NOT ACCURATE. I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT I JUST WANT TO MAKE SURE THAT THEY ARE ACCURATE. THEY ARE ACCURATE. THINGS HAPPENED THAT NEED TO GET THINGS HAPPENED THAT NEED TO GET OUT, AND I THINK THE WORLD NEEDS OUT, AND I THINK THE WORLD NEEDS TO KNOW. TO KNOW. >>> WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE >>> WHAT DO YOU THINK IS THE MAIN INACCURACY OR MAIN LIE MAIN INACCURACY OR MAIN LIE THAT’S BEING TOLD THAT YOU FEEL THAT’S BEING TOLD THAT YOU FEEL LIKE YOU CAN CORRECT. LIKE YOU CAN CORRECT. >> THAT THE PRESIDENT DID KNOW >> THAT THE PRESIDENT DID KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON. WHAT WAS GOING ON. PRESIDENT TRUMP KNEW EXACTLY PRESIDENT TRUMP KNEW EXACTLY WHAT WAS GOING ON. WHAT WAS GOING ON. HE WAS AWARE OF ALL MY HE WAS AWARE OF ALL MY MOVEMENTS. MOVEMENTS. I WOULDN’T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT I WOULDN’T DO ANYTHING WITHOUT THE CONSENT OF RUDY GIULIANI OR THE CONSENT OF RUDY GIULIANI OR THE PRESIDENT. THE PRESIDENT. I HAVE NO INTENT, NO REASON TO I HAVE NO INTENT, NO REASON TO SPEAK TO ANY OF THESE OFFICIALS. SPEAK TO ANY OF THESE OFFICIALS. THEY HAVE NO REASON TO SPEAK TO THEY HAVE NO REASON TO SPEAK TO ME. ME. WHY WOULD PRESIDENTS ZELENSKY WHY WOULD PRESIDENTS ZELENSKY INNER CIRCLE OR MINISTER -- OR INNER CIRCLE OR MINISTER -- OR PRESIDENT POROSHENKO MEET WITH PRESIDENT POROSHENKO MEET WITH ME. ME. WHO AM I? WHO AM I? THEY WERE TOLD TO MEET WITH ME. THEY WERE TOLD TO MEET WITH ME. THAT’S THE SECRET THEY WERE THAT’S THE SECRET THEY WERE TRYING TO KEEP. TRYING TO KEEP. I WAS ON THE GROUND DOING THEIR I WAS ON THE GROUND DOING THEIR WORK. WORK. >>> IN TERMS OF THE PRESIDENT >>> IN TERMS OF THE PRESIDENT AND WHAT HE HAS SAID ABOUT YOU, AND WHAT HE HAS SAID ABOUT YOU, HE SAID ABOUT YOU AND FROM IGOR HE SAID ABOUT YOU AND FROM IGOR FRUMEN, I DON’T KNOW THOSE FRUMEN, I DON’T KNOW THOSE GENTLEMEN, NO KNOW WHAT THEY DO. GENTLEMEN, NO KNOW WHAT THEY DO. YOU’RE SAYING THAT WAS NOT A YOU’RE SAYING THAT WAS NOT A TRUE STATEMENT? TRUE STATEMENT? >> HE LIED. >> HE LIED. WHEN YOU SAY FRIENDS, ME AND HIM WHEN YOU SAY FRIENDS, ME AND HIM DIDN’T EAT HOT DOGS TOGETHER. DIDN’T EAT HOT DOGS TOGETHER. I INTERACTED WITH HIM AS A LOT I INTERACTED WITH HIM AS A LOT OF EVENTS. OF EVENTS. WE HAD ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATIONS WE HAD ONE-ON-ONE CONVERSATIONS AT ROUNDTABLES. AT ROUNDTABLES. BASICALLY I WAS -- FOROUR FIVE BASICALLY I WAS -- FOROUR FIVE DAYS OUT OF THE WEEK I WAS IN DAYS OUT OF THE WEEK I WAS IN CONSTANT CONTACT WITH HIM. CONSTANT CONTACT WITH HIM. I WAS WITH RUDY WHEN HE WOULD I WAS WITH RUDY WHEN HE WOULD SPEAK TO THE PRESIDENT, PLENTY SPEAK TO THE PRESIDENT, PLENTY OF TIMES. OF TIMES. I MEAN, SO IT’S JUST LUDICROUSEW I MEAN, SO IT’S JUST LUDICROUSEW >> HOW DID YOU KNOW RUDY WAS ON >> HOW DID YOU KNOW RUDY WAS ON THE PHONE WITH THE PRESIDENT? THE PHONE WITH THE PRESIDENT? WAS IT ON SPEAKERPHONE? WAS IT ON SPEAKERPHONE? >> IT WOULD BE SEVER TIMES ON >> IT WOULD BE SEVER TIMES ON SPEAKERPHONE. SPEAKERPHONE. HE WOULD START THE CONVERSATION, HE WOULD START THE CONVERSATION, TAKE IT OFF, AND THEN GO TAKE IT OFF, AND THEN GO SOMEWHERE ELSE TO TALK TO HIM. SOMEWHERE ELSE TO TALK TO HIM. A LOT OF TIMES IT WAS ON THE A LOT OF TIMES IT WAS ON THE GOLF COURSE WHEN WE WERE GOLFING GOLF COURSE WHEN WE WERE GOLFING TOGETHER. TOGETHER. I ESPECIALLY REMEMBER DURING THE I ESPECIALLY REMEMBER DURING THE MUELLER TIME THAT RUDY SAID MUELLER TIME THAT RUDY SAID SOMETHING THAT WAS TAKING OUT OF SOMETHING THAT WAS TAKING OUT OF CONTEXT AND HE WAS CREAMING AT CONTEXT AND HE WAS CREAMING AT HIM SO LOUD. HIM SO LOUD. THAT’S WHEN I WATCHED THE THAT’S WHEN I WATCHED THE TESTIMONY, I COULD UNDERSTAND TESTIMONY, I COULD UNDERSTAND THAT YOU CAN’T HEAR PRESIDENT THAT YOU CAN’T HEAR PRESIDENT TRUMP TALKING TO -- LIKE I HEARD TRUMP TALKING TO -- LIKE I HEARD HIM SEVERAL TIMES WHEN HE WAS HIM SEVERAL TIMES WHEN HE WAS WITH RUDY. WITH RUDY. >> BECAUSE HE SPEAKS LOUDLY ON >> BECAUSE HE SPEAKS LOUDLY ON THE PHONE? THE PHONE? >> VERY LOUDLY. >> VERY LOUDLY. >>> WHEN YOU SAY THE PRESIDENT >>> WHEN YOU SAY THE PRESIDENT KNEW ABOUT YOUR MOVEMENTS AND KNEW ABOUT YOUR MOVEMENTS AND WHAT YOU WERE DOING, ARE YOU WHAT YOU WERE DOING, ARE YOU SAYING SPECIFICALLY, AND I WANT SAYING SPECIFICALLY, AND I WANT TO DRILL DOWN ON THAT, THAT THE TO DRILL DOWN ON THAT, THAT THE PRESIDENT WAS AWARE YOU AND MR. PRESIDENT WAS AWARE YOU AND MR. GIULIANI WERE WORKING ON THIS GIULIANI WERE WORKING ON THIS EFFORT IN UKRAINE TO BASICALLY EFFORT IN UKRAINE TO BASICALLY HURT JOE BIDEN’S POLITICAL HURT JOE BIDEN’S POLITICAL CAREER? CAREER? HE KNEW THAT? HE KNEW THAT? >> IT WAS ALL ABOUT JOE BIDEN, >> IT WAS ALL ABOUT JOE BIDEN, HUNTER BIDEN, AND RUDY HAD A HUNTER BIDEN, AND RUDY HAD A PERSONAL THING WITH THE MANAFORT PERSONAL THING WITH THE MANAFORT STUFF, THE BLACK LEDGER. STUFF, THE BLACK LEDGER. THAT WAS ANOTHER THING THEY WERE THAT WAS ANOTHER THING THEY WERE LOOKING INTO, BUT IT WAS NEVER LOOKING INTO, BUT IT WAS NEVER ABOUT CORRUPTION. ABOUT CORRUPTION. IT WAS IT STRICTLY ABOUT BURRIS IT WAS IT STRICTLY ABOUT BURRIS MA, WHICH INCLUDED HUNTER BIDEN MA, WHICH INCLUDED HUNTER BIDEN AND JOE BIDEN. AND JOE BIDEN. >>> STRICTLY ABOUT JOE BIDEN, >>> STRICTLY ABOUT JOE BIDEN, HUNTER BIDEN. HUNTER BIDEN. >>> IN TERMS OF THE INVOLVEMENT, >>> IN TERMS OF THE INVOLVEMENT, MR. PARNAS WENT OUT TO ASSERT MR. PARNAS WENT OUT TO ASSERT THAT NOT ONLY WAS PRESIDENT THAT NOT ONLY WAS PRESIDENT TRUMP AWARE OF WHAT HE AND MR. TRUMP AWARE OF WHAT HE AND MR. GIULIANI WERE DOING ON HIS GIULIANI WERE DOING ON HIS BEHALF IN UKRAINE, TRY TO SAY BEHALF IN UKRAINE, TRY TO SAY GIN UP THIS INVESTIGATION TO GIN UP THIS INVESTIGATION TO HURT JOE BIDEN, MR. PARNAS SAYS HURT JOE BIDEN, MR. PARNAS SAYS THAT THE FACT THAT HE WAS THAT THE FACT THAT HE WAS WORKING FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP IS A WORKING FOR PRESIDENT TRUMP IS A POINT THAT WAS MADE EXPLICITLY POINT THAT WAS MADE EXPLICITLY OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN A VERY OVER AND OVER AGAIN IN A VERY FORMAL WAY, IN HIS DEALINGS IN FORMAL WAY, IN HIS DEALINGS IN HIS MEETINGS IN UKRAINE. HIS MEETINGS IN UKRAINE. YOUR ATTORNEY TOLD THE FEDERAL YOUR ATTORNEY TOLD THE FEDERAL COURT IN NEW YORK THAT YOU WERE COURT IN NEW YORK THAT YOU WERE BOTH RUDY GIULIANI’S CLIENTS AND BOTH RUDY GIULIANI’S CLIENTS AND YOU WERE WORKING FOR MR. YOU WERE WORKING FOR MR. GIULIANI IN HIS CAPACITY AS GIULIANI IN HIS CAPACITY AS PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO THE PERSONAL ATTORNEY TO THE PRESIDENT. PRESIDENT. >> CORRECT. >> CORRECT. >> WHICH, BY THE WAY THE >> WHICH, BY THE WAY THE TRANSTIFF PROPERTY, MAKES IT TRANSTIFF PROPERTY, MAKES IT SEEM LIKE UMP WORKING FOR THE SEEM LIKE UMP WORKING FOR THE PRESIDENT AS PART OF THIS LEGAL PRESIDENT AS PART OF THIS LEGAL DEFENSE. DEFENSE. >> YES, ABSOLUTELY. >> YES, ABSOLUTELY. >> DID ANYBODY IN THE U.S. >> DID ANYBODY IN THE U.S. GOVERNMENT OR RUDY GIULIANI GOVERNMENT OR RUDY GIULIANI ACTUALLY CONVEYED TO UKRAINE ACTUALLY CONVEYED TO UKRAINE OFFICIALS THAT YOU WERE THERE AS OFFICIALS THAT YOU WERE THERE AS A REPRESENTATIVE? A REPRESENTATIVE? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> ABSOLUTELY. TO EACH OFFICIAL, I PUT RUDY ON TO EACH OFFICIAL, I PUT RUDY ON THE PHONE WITH THE MINUTE TERSE THE PHONE WITH THE MINUTE TERSE SEVERAL TIMES. SEVERAL TIMES. EVAN, YURI LUTSENKO TEST TIME, EVAN, YURI LUTSENKO TEST TIME, THE TEERNG. THE TEERNG. FIRST I SAID I’M HERE ON BEHALF FIRST I SAID I’M HERE ON BEHALF OF RUDY GIULIANI AND THE OF RUDY GIULIANI AND THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO PUT ON I WOULD LIKE FOR YOU TO PUT ON YOU SPEAKERPHONE TO CONFIRM HIM. YOU SPEAKERPHONE TO CONFIRM HIM. RUDY CONFIRMED BASICALLY THAT WE RUDY CONFIRMED BASICALLY THAT WE WERE THERE ON BEHALF OF THE WERE THERE ON BEHALF OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. >> THAT YOU WERE THERE TO SPEAK >> THAT YOU WERE THERE TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF PRESIDENT TRUMP. ON BEHALF OF PRESIDENT TRUMP. >> YES, THOSE EXACT RECORDS. >> YES, THOSE EXACT RECORDS. >>> WHEN HE WEIGHING TAKING >>> WHEN HE WEIGHING TAKING MEETINGS TO ADVANCE THIS SCHEME, MEETINGS TO ADVANCE THIS SCHEME, TAKING MEETINGS WITH VARIOUS TAKING MEETINGS WITH VARIOUS GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS IN UKRAINE, GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS IN UKRAINE, HE SAID IT WAS A REGULAR HE SAID IT WAS A REGULAR OCCURRENCE, THE WAY THE MEETINGS OCCURRENCE, THE WAY THE MEETINGS STARTED. STARTED. HE WOULD PUT RUDY GIULIANI ON HE WOULD PUT RUDY GIULIANI ON PHONE, ON THE SPEAKERPHONE IN PHONE, ON THE SPEAKERPHONE IN THE ROOM, AND HE WOULD SAY THE ROOM, AND HE WOULD SAY EXPLICITLY, MR. GIULIANI WOULD EXPLICITLY, MR. GIULIANI WOULD SAY EXPLICITLY THAT AS THE SAY EXPLICITLY THAT AS THE PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL ATTORNEY PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL ATTORNEY THAT THEY WOULD AFFIRM THAT LEV THAT THEY WOULD AFFIRM THAT LEV PARNAS WAS AT THAT MEETING TO PARNAS WAS AT THAT MEETING TO SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PRESIDENT SPEAK ON BEHALF OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, OF THE UNITED STATES, DONALD TRUMP. DONALD TRUMP. >>> IN MAY OF LAST YEAR, MAY OF >>> IN MAY OF LAST YEAR, MAY OF 2019, MR. GIULIANI STARTED 2019, MR. GIULIANI STARTED SPEAKING WITH REPORTERS ABOUT SPEAKING WITH REPORTERS ABOUT HIS PLANS TO TRAVEL HIM VERY HIS PLANS TO TRAVEL HIM VERY MUCH TO UKRAINE TO TRY TO ENLIST MUCH TO UKRAINE TO TRY TO ENLIST THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT’S THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT’S ASSISTANCE TO HELP TO TRY TO GET ASSISTANCE TO HELP TO TRY TO GET THEM TO ANNOUNCE INVESTIGATIONS THEM TO ANNOUNCE INVESTIGATIONS INTO VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, INTO VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN, BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE VERY BECAUSE THAT WOULD BE VERY HELPFUL TO HIS CLIENT. HELPFUL TO HIS CLIENT. THE RESULTING FIRESTORM OF THE RESULTING FIRESTORM OF CRITICISM, MR. GIULIANI’S TRIP CRITICISM, MR. GIULIANI’S TRIP WAS CALLED OFF IN MAY. WAS CALLED OFF IN MAY. WHEN HE CALLED OFF THE TRIP, MR. WHEN HE CALLED OFF THE TRIP, MR. GIULIANI MADE PUBLIC STATEMENTS GIULIANI MADE PUBLIC STATEMENTS CRITICIZING THE NEW GOVERNMENT CRITICIZING THE NEW GOVERNMENT OF UKRAINE, SAYING THE NEW OF UKRAINE, SAYING THE NEW PRESIDENT WAS SURROUNDED BY PRESIDENT WAS SURROUNDED BY ENEMIES OF THE UNITED STATES. ENEMIES OF THE UNITED STATES. FOR UKRAINE, THAT WAS A REALLY FOR UKRAINE, THAT WAS A REALLY BIG DEAL. BIG DEAL. ALL RIGHT? ALL RIGHT? UKRAINE IS AT WAR WITH RUSSIA, A UKRAINE IS AT WAR WITH RUSSIA, A COUNTRY VERY DEPENDENT ON BOTH COUNTRY VERY DEPENDENT ON BOTH OF REALITY AND PERCEPTION OF OF REALITY AND PERCEPTION OF THEM HAVING STRONG SUPPORT FROM THEM HAVING STRONG SUPPORT FROM THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT. THE UNITED STATES GOVERNMENT. SO WHEN MR. GIULIANI, AS THE SO WHEN MR. GIULIANI, AS THE PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL ATTORNEY, PRESIDENT’S PERSONAL ATTORNEY, MADE PUBLIC CLAISMS THAT THE NEW MADE PUBLIC CLAISMS THAT THE NEW UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT WAS UKRAINIAN PRESIDENT WAS SURROUNDED BY ENEMIES OF THE SURROUNDED BY ENEMIES OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, AND THAT’S WHY HE WASN’T GOING, AT THAT’S WHY HE WASN’T GOING, AT THAT POINT THE UKRAINIAN THAT POINT THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT KIND OF FREAKED OUT. GOVERNMENT KIND OF FREAKED OUT. THAT KIND 6 KIND OF THAT KIND 6 KIND OF ADMINISTRATION FOR THEIR NEW ADMINISTRATION FOR THEIR NEW PRESIDENT IN UKRAINE, THAT’S A PRESIDENT IN UKRAINE, THAT’S A POTENTIAL DEATH SENTENCE FOR POTENTIAL DEATH SENTENCE FOR THEIR COUNTRY. THEIR COUNTRY. AT THE TIME THAT HAPPENED, LEV AT THE TIME THAT HAPPENED, LEV PARNAS WAS IN UKRAINE, HE WITH PARNAS WAS IN UKRAINE, HE WITH US IN KIEV AT THE TIME, AND HE US IN KIEV AT THE TIME, AND HE TOLD ME TODAY HE WAS TASKED BY TOLD ME TODAY HE WAS TASKED BY RUDY GIULIANI IN THAT MOMENT TO RUDY GIULIANI IN THAT MOMENT TO CRANK UP THE PRESSURE OF CRANK UP THE PRESSURE OF UKRAINE, TO MIGHT BE MORE UKRAINE, TO MIGHT BE MORE INSISTS AREN’T, MORE OFTEN, EVEN INSISTS AREN’T, MORE OFTEN, EVEN MORE ONEROUS, THIS THREAT AND MORE ONEROUS, THIS THREAT AND DEMAND THAT UKRAINE MUST DEMAND THAT UKRAINE MUST ANNOUNCE INVESTIGATIONS INTO JOE ANNOUNCE INVESTIGATIONS INTO JOE BIDEN OR ELSE. BIDEN OR ELSE. DID YOU MEET WITH THE SERGEI DID YOU MEET WITH THE SERGEI SHAFFER? SHAFFER? >> I DID. >> I DID. >>> HE’S A SENIOR AIDE TO >>> HE’S A SENIOR AIDE TO PRESIDENT CENK UYGUR. PRESIDENT CENK UYGUR. IT’S BEEN REPORTED THAT YOU IT’S BEEN REPORTED THAT YOU CONVEYED TO MR. SHAFFER THE CONVEYED TO MR. SHAFFER THE EXACT QUID PRO QUO, YOU WANTED EXACT QUID PRO QUO, YOU WANTED ZELENSKY TO ANNOUNCE ZELENSKY TO ANNOUNCE INVESTIGATIONS INTO BIDEN OR INVESTIGATIONS INTO BIDEN OR SELLS MILITARY AID WOULD NOT BE SELLS MILITARY AID WOULD NOT BE RELEASED. RELEASED. IS THAT ACCURATE? IS THAT ACCURATE? >> IT WAS MORE THAN THAT. >> IT WAS MORE THAN THAT. BASICALLY THE MESSAGE I GAVE BASICALLY THE MESSAGE I GAVE SERGEI SHAFFER, I WAS TOLD TO SERGEI SHAFFER, I WAS TOLD TO GIVE IT TO HIM IN A HARSH WAY. GIVE IT TO HIM IN A HARSH WAY. >> WHO TOLD YOU THAT? >> WHO TOLD YOU THAT? >> MAYOR RUDY GIULIANI TOLD ME >> MAYOR RUDY GIULIANI TOLD ME AFTER, YOU KNOW MEETING WITH THE AFTER, YOU KNOW MEETING WITH THE PRESIDENT AT THE WHITE HOUSE, PRESIDENT AT THE WHITE HOUSE, THE MESSAGE WAS IT WASN’T JUST THE MESSAGE WAS IT WASN’T JUST MILITARY AID, IT WAS ALL AID. MILITARY AID, IT WAS ALL AID. BASICALLY THEIR RELATIONSHIPS BASICALLY THEIR RELATIONSHIPS WOULD BE SOUR, THAT WE WOULD WOULD BE SOUR, THAT WE WOULD STOP GIVING THEM ANY KIND OF STOP GIVING THEM ANY KIND OF AID -- AID -- >> UNLESS? >> UNLESS? >> -- UNLESS -- THERE WERE >> -- UNLESS -- THERE WERE SEVERAL DEMANDS AT THAT POINT. SEVERAL DEMANDS AT THAT POINT. A, THE MOST IMPORTANT WAS THE A, THE MOST IMPORTANT WAS THE ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE BIDEN ANNOUNCEMENT OF THE BIDEN INVESTIGATION. INVESTIGATION. >> DID YOU ALSO CONVEY TO HIM >> DID YOU ALSO CONVEY TO HIM THAT THE U.S. GOVERNMENT WOULD THAT THE U.S. GOVERNMENT WOULD STOP SHOWING SUPPORT FOR MR. STOP SHOWING SUPPORT FOR MR. ZELENSKY, THAT THEY WOULDN’T ZELENSKY, THAT THEY WOULDN’T ATTEND THE INAUGURATION? ATTEND THE INAUGURATION? >> THAT WAS THE BIGGEST THING, >> THAT WAS THE BIGGEST THING, ACTUALLY, THE MAIN -- BECAUSE AT ACTUALLY, THE MAIN -- BECAUSE AT THAT TIME YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THAT TIME YOU HAVE TO UNDERSTAND THE WAY UKRAINE IS. THE WAY UKRAINE IS. FOR PRESIDENT ZELENSKY WINNING FOR PRESIDENT ZELENSKY WINNING ON THAT PLATFORM, BECOME A YOUNG ON THAT PLATFORM, BECOME A YOUNG PRESIDENT, NOT HAVING REALLY ANY PRESIDENT, NOT HAVING REALLY ANY EXPERIENCE AND BEING AT WART EXPERIENCE AND BEING AT WART WITH RUSSIA AT THE TIME, THE WITH RUSSIA AT THE TIME, THE NUMBER ONE THING WAS NOT EVEN NUMBER ONE THING WAS NOT EVEN AID, AND I KNOW IT SOUNDS CRAZY, AID, AND I KNOW IT SOUNDS CRAZY, BUT MORE SUPPORT FROM THE BUT MORE SUPPORT FROM THE PRESIDENT, BY HAVING A WHITE PRESIDENT, BY HAVING A WHITE HOUSE VISIT, BY HAVING A BIG HOUSE VISIT, BY HAVING A BIG INAUGURATION, BY HAVING THE INAUGURATION, BY HAVING THE DIGNITARIES THERE. DIGNITARIES THERE. THAT WAS THE KEY. THAT WAS THE KEY. AT THAT TIME THEY WERE ALREADY AT THAT TIME THEY WERE ALREADY AWARE BECAUSE OF THEIR AWARE BECAUSE OF THEIR CONVERSATIONS I HAD GUESS WITH CONVERSATIONS I HAD GUESS WITH THE EMBASSY THAT -- VICE THE EMBASSY THAT -- VICE PRESIDENT PENCE WAS SUPPOSED TO PRESIDENT PENCE WAS SUPPOSED TO COME TO THE INAUGURATION. COME TO THE INAUGURATION. THEY WERE PLANNING IT OUT, THEY WERE PLANNING IT OUT, WORKING ON DAYS THAT WOULD BE WORKING ON DAYS THAT WOULD BE GOOD FOR HIM. GOOD FOR HIM. AT OUR MEETING, I WAS VERY, VERY AT OUR MEETING, I WAS VERY, VERY STERN. STERN. IT WAS A HEATED CONVERSATION IT WAS A HEATED CONVERSATION FROM OUR PART TO HIM, BASICALLY FROM OUR PART TO HIM, BASICALLY TELLING HIM WHAT NEEDS TO BE TELLING HIM WHAT NEEDS TO BE DONE, I MEAN, BASICALLY ME. DONE, I MEAN, BASICALLY ME. IN THE CONVERSATION, I TOLD HIM IN THE CONVERSATION, I TOLD HIM THAT IF HE DOESN’T -- THE THAT IF HE DOESN’T -- THE ANNOUNCEMENT WAS THE KEY AT THAT ANNOUNCEMENT WAS THE KEY AT THAT TIME BECAUSE OF THE TIME BECAUSE OF THE INAUGURATION, THAT PENCE WOULD INAUGURATION, THAT PENCE WOULD NOT SHOW UP. NOT SHOW UP. NOBODY WOULD SHOW UP TO THE NOBODY WOULD SHOW UP TO THE INAUGURATION. INAUGURATION. >> UNLESS HE ANNOUNCED AN >> UNLESS HE ANNOUNCED AN INVESTIGATION INTO JOE BIDEN, NO INVESTIGATION INTO JOE BIDEN, NO U.S. OFFICIAL, PARTICULARLY VICE U.S. OFFICIAL, PARTICULARLY VICE PRESIDENT PENCE WOULD NOT COME. PRESIDENT PENCE WOULD NOT COME. >> PARTICULARLY VICE PRESIDENT. >> PARTICULARLY VICE PRESIDENT. >> THE DAVID -- >> THE DAVID -- >> IT WAS A SUNDAY THE 12th. >> IT WAS A SUNDAY THE 12th. >> I BELIEVE IT WAS THE >> I BELIEVE IT WAS THE FOLLOWING DAY THAT IN FACT VICE FOLLOWING DAY THAT IN FACT VICE PRESIDENT PENCE’S VISIT TO THE PRESIDENT PENCE’S VISIT TO THE INAUGURATION WAS CANCELED. INAUGURATION WAS CANCELED. >> IT WAS AFTER MY PHONE CALL. >> IT WAS AFTER MY PHONE CALL. THE CONVERSATION I LAID OUT WAS THE CONVERSATION I LAID OUT WAS BASICALLY WHAT I WAS TOLD TO DO BASICALLY WHAT I WAS TOLD TO DO BY GIULIANI AND THE PRESIDENT. BY GIULIANI AND THE PRESIDENT. AFTERWARDS I RELAYED BACK THAT AFTERWARDS I RELAYED BACK THAT HE WOULD GET BACK TO ME LATER HE WOULD GET BACK TO ME LATER THAT NIGHT AND WE’RE SUPPOSED TO THAT NIGHT AND WE’RE SUPPOSED TO MEET. MEET. 8:00, 9:00 THAT NIGHT I SAID ANY 8:00, 9:00 THAT NIGHT I SAID ANY WORD? WORD? ANY SITUATION? ANY SITUATION? AND YOU CAN SEE WHEN A PERSON AND YOU CAN SEE WHEN A PERSON DISCONNECTS YOU. DISCONNECTS YOU. >> HE BLOCKED YOU? >> HE BLOCKED YOU? >> HE BLOCKED ME. >> HE BLOCKED ME. I UNDERSTOOD THAT WAS A NO. I UNDERSTOOD THAT WAS A NO. I CALLED BACK AND SAID NO-GO, I CALLED BACK AND SAID NO-GO, AND I REMEMBER RUDY GOING, OKAY, AND I REMEMBER RUDY GOING, OKAY, THEY’LL SEE. THEY’LL SEE. BASICALLY THE NEXT DAY PENCE, TO BASICALLY THE NEXT DAY PENCE, TO MY AWARENESS TRUMP CALLED UP AND MY AWARENESS TRUMP CALLED UP AND SAID MAKE SURE PENCE DOESN’T GO SAID MAKE SURE PENCE DOESN’T GO THERE. THERE. >> YOU BELIEVE MR. PENCE’S TRIP >> YOU BELIEVE MR. PENCE’S TRIP TO THE INAUGURATION WAS CANCELED TO THE INAUGURATION WAS CANCELED BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T AGREE -- BECAUSE THEY DIDN’T AGREE -- >> I KNOW. >> I KNOW. IT WAS 100%. IT WAS 100%. THE CHAIN OF EVENTS, THAT WAS THE CHAIN OF EVENTS, THAT WAS KEY TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. KEY TO WHERE WE ARE TODAY. AFTER THAT, TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT AFTER THAT, TAKE A LOOK AT WHAT TRANSPIRES. TRANSPIRES. NEXT WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE NEXT WITHIN THE NEXT COUPLE DAYS, THEY REALIZE THAT NOW THEY DAYS, THEY REALIZE THAT NOW THEY GET WORD. GET WORD. OBVIOUSLY WHEN PENCE CANS ALSO, OBVIOUSLY WHEN PENCE CANS ALSO, THEY GET WORD. THEY GET WORD. SO NOW THEY REALIZED WHAT I WAS SO NOW THEY REALIZED WHAT I WAS WAS COMING WAS TRUSS. WAS COMING WAS TRUSS. >> NOW THEY REALIZE THAT IF THEY >> NOW THEY REALIZE THAT IF THEY DIDN’T ANNOUNCE THE BIDEN DIDN’T ANNOUNCE THE BIDEN INVESTIGATION THAT VICE INVESTIGATION THAT VICE PRESIDENT PENCE WOULDN’T COME TO PRESIDENT PENCE WOULDN’T COME TO THE INAUGURATION, THEY REALIZE THE INAUGURATION, THEY REALIZE NOW WHEN IN FACT PENCE CANCELED NOW WHEN IN FACT PENCE CANCELED HIS INAUGURATION, THEY KNEW I HIS INAUGURATION, THEY KNEW I WAS LEGIT. WAS LEGIT. THAT’S ESSENTIAL WHAT HE’S THAT’S ESSENTIAL WHAT HE’S SAYING. SAYING. I LOVE HIS LINE THAT RUDY I LOVE HIS LINE THAT RUDY GIULIANI SAYS, OKAY, THEY’LL GIULIANI SAYS, OKAY, THEY’LL SEE. SEE. IN FACT, THE VICE PRESIDENT IN FACT, THE VICE PRESIDENT PENCE DOES CANCEL HIS TRIP TO PENCE DOES CANCEL HIS TRIP TO THE INAUGURATION WITHIN 24 THE INAUGURATION WITHIN 24 HOURS. HOURS. BUT FOR MR. PARNAS, THAT WAS A BUT FOR MR. PARNAS, THAT WAS A KEY MOMENT FOR HIM IN TERMS OF KEY MOMENT FOR HIM IN TERMS OF BEING ABLE TO CONTINUE TO WORK BEING ABLE TO CONTINUE TO WORK ON THIS EFFORT IN UKRAINE WITH ON THIS EFFORT IN UKRAINE WITH CREDIBILITY, BECAUSE MIKE PENCE CREDIBILITY, BECAUSE MIKE PENCE CANCELLING HIS TRIP TO THE CANCELLING HIS TRIP TO THE INAUGURATION WAS A VALIDATING INAUGURATION WAS A VALIDATING MOMENT. MOMENT. IT MADE CLEAR TO THE GOVERNMENT IT MADE CLEAR TO THE GOVERNMENT OF UKRAINE AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL, OF UKRAINE AT THE HIGHEST LEVEL, A SENIOR AIDE TO THE NEW A SENIOR AIDE TO THE NEW PRESIDENT, THIS MADE IT CLEAR PRESIDENT, THIS MADE IT CLEAR THAT LEV PARNAS WAS LEGITIMATELY THAT LEV PARNAS WAS LEGITIMATELY REPRESENTING THE PRESIDENT OF REPRESENTING THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND THE WHITE THE UNITED STATES AND THE WHITE HOUSE IN THIS SHAKEDOWN. HOUSE IN THIS SHAKEDOWN. >>> SO VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE >>> SO VICE PRESIDENT MIKE PENCE HAS HIS PLANNED TRIP TO THE HAS HIS PLANNED TRIP TO THE INAUGURATION CANCELED AFTER YOU INAUGURATION CANCELED AFTER YOU WERE UNABLE TO GET THE UKRAINIAN WERE UNABLE TO GET THE UKRAINIAN GOVERNMENT TO ANNOUNCE GOVERNMENT TO ANNOUNCE INVESTIGATIONS INTO VICE INVESTIGATIONS INTO VICE PRESIDENT BIDEN. PRESIDENT BIDEN. DO YOU KNOW IF VICE PRESIDENT DO YOU KNOW IF VICE PRESIDENT PENCE WAS AWARE THAT WAS THE PENCE WAS AWARE THAT WAS THE QUID PRO QUO, AND IN FACT WHY QUID PRO QUO, AND IN FACT WHY HIS TRIP WAS GOING TO BE PULL HIS TRIP WAS GOING TO BE PULL OFF. OFF. >>> I’M GOING TO USE A QUOTE BY >>> I’M GOING TO USE A QUOTE BY SONDLAND -- EVERYBODY KNEW. SONDLAND -- EVERYBODY KNEW. >> EVERYBODY KNEW THAT WAS >> EVERYBODY KNEW THAT WAS CONTINGENT ON THE INVESTIGATIONS CONTINGENT ON THE INVESTIGATIONS BEING ANNOUNCED? BEING ANNOUNCED? >> I KNOW HE WE AREN’T TO POLAND >> I KNOW HE WE AREN’T TO POLAND ALSO TO DISCUSS THIS ON TRUMP’S ALSO TO DISCUSS THIS ON TRUMP’S BEHAVE. BEHAVE. HE COULDN’T HAVE NOT KNOWN. HE COULDN’T HAVE NOT KNOWN. >>> AFTER THE INAUGURATION, >>> AFTER THE INAUGURATION, SEPTEMBER 1st, VICE PRESIDENT SEPTEMBER 1st, VICE PRESIDENT PENCE GOES TO POLAND AND TAKES A PENCE GOES TO POLAND AND TAKES A MEETING WITH PRESIDENT ZELENSKY MEETING WITH PRESIDENT ZELENSKY OF UKRAINE. OF UKRAINE. ONE OF THE UNUSUAL REVELATIONS ONE OF THE UNUSUAL REVELATIONS WE’VE HAD SINCE THE IMPEACHMENT WE’VE HAD SINCE THE IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATIONS WAS A DEFENSE INVESTIGATIONS WAS A DEFENSE DEPARTMENT E-MAIL THAT WAS MADE DEPARTMENT E-MAIL THAT WAS MADE PUBLIC THROUGH A FREEDOM OF PUBLIC THROUGH A FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT LAWYER, THAT INFORMATION ACT LAWYER, THAT DEFENSE DEPARTMENT FROM THE DEFENSE DEPARTMENT FROM THE CHIEF OF STAT TO -- HE TELL CHIEF OF STAT TO -- HE TELL SOMEONE ELSE DON’T -- I’M SOMEONE ELSE DON’T -- I’M PARAPHRASING -- THIS UKRAINE AID PARAPHRASING -- THIS UKRAINE AID PROBLEM IS GOING TO ALL BY PROBLEM IS GOING TO ALL BY SORTED AS SOON AS VICE PRESIDENT SORTED AS SOON AS VICE PRESIDENT PENCE MEEKS PRESIDENT ZELENSKY PENCE MEEKS PRESIDENT ZELENSKY IN POLAND. IN POLAND. >> DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY >> DO YOU UNDERSTAND WHY SOMEBODY IN THE SECRETARY OF SOMEBODY IN THE SECRETARY OF DEFENSE’S OFFICE MIGHT HAVE DEFENSE’S OFFICE MIGHT HAVE BELIEVED THAT? BELIEVED THAT? >> IT MAKES SENSE TO ME. >> IT MAKES SENSE TO ME. WHAT WAS TRANSPIRING IS EVERY WHAT WAS TRANSPIRING IS EVERY TIME, LIKE I SAID TO YOU, AT TIME, LIKE I SAID TO YOU, AT EVERY MEETING EITHER GIULIANI OR EVERY MEETING EITHER GIULIANI OR I WOULD HAVE, OR GOVERNMENT WOUL I WOULD HAVE, OR GOVERNMENT WOUL HAVE WITH THE UKRAINIANS, THEY HAVE WITH THE UKRAINIANS, THEY WOULD ALSO AGREE THAT THEY WERE WOULD ALSO AGREE THAT THEY WERE GOING TO MAKE SOME SORT OF -- GOING TO MAKE SOME SORT OF -- THAT THEY WERE ON BOARD, THEY’LL THAT THEY WERE ON BOARD, THEY’LL MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT, AND THEN MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT, AND THEN THEY WOULD WALK IT BACK. THEY WOULD WALK IT BACK. AFTER CERTAIN INSTANCES AFTER CERTAIN INSTANCES PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS SUPPOSED TO PRESIDENT TRUMP WAS SUPPOSED TO MEET ZELENSKY IN POLAND HIMSELF. MEET ZELENSKY IN POLAND HIMSELF. BUT THEY HE USED THE EXECUTION BUT THEY HE USED THE EXECUTION OF THE HURRICANE. OF THE HURRICANE. IT WASN’T BECAUSE OF THE IT WASN’T BECAUSE OF THE HURRICANE. HURRICANE. IT WAS BECAUSE HE WAS ANGRY THAT IT WAS BECAUSE HE WAS ANGRY THAT ZELENSKY STILL DIDN’T MAKE ANY ZELENSKY STILL DIDN’T MAKE ANY TEEM OR EFFORT TO MAKE ANY TEEM OR EFFORT TO MAKE ANY ANNOUNCEMENT. ANNOUNCEMENT. >> HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT WASN’T >> HOW DO YOU KNOW THAT WASN’T AN EXCUSE. AN EXCUSE. >> I SPOKE TO RUDY. >> I SPOKE TO RUDY. WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS EVERY DAY. WE SPOKE ABOUT THIS EVERY DAY. EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING ON WAS EVERYTHING THAT WAS GOING ON WAS BETWEEN ME, VICTORIA, RUDY, THE BETWEEN ME, VICTORIA, RUDY, THE TEAM. TEAM. >> SO PRESIDENT TRUMP IS >> SO PRESIDENT TRUMP IS SUPPOSED TO GO, HE DECIDES NOT SUPPOSED TO GO, HE DECIDES NOT TO GO. TO GO. >> HE SENDS VICE PRESIDENT >> HE SENDS VICE PRESIDENT INSTEAD. INSTEAD. HE’S TO GO THERE AND GET IT HE’S TO GO THERE AND GET IT STRAIGHTENED OUT THAT ZELENSKY STRAIGHTENED OUT THAT ZELENSKY WAS SUPPOSED TO MAKE ANOTHER WAS SUPPOSED TO MAKE ANOTHER ANNOUNCEMENT. ANNOUNCEMENT. THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN. THAT DIDN’T HAPPEN. THAT’S WHEN BOLTON, SECRETARY THAT’S WHEN BOLTON, SECRETARY BOLTON, WENT OVER THERE. BOLTON, WENT OVER THERE. I THINK HE HAS A LOT TO SAY. I THINK HE HAS A LOT TO SAY. I THINK HE’S A KEY WITNESS TO I THINK HE’S A KEY WITNESS TO HIS CONVERSATION WITH ZELENSKY, HIS CONVERSATION WITH ZELENSKY, AND WHEN HE CAME BACK AND WHY HE AND WHEN HE CAME BACK AND WHY HE LEFT, GOT FIRED, HOWEVER YOU LEFT, GOT FIRED, HOWEVER YOU WANT TO LOOK AT THAT. WANT TO LOOK AT THAT. >> WHEN VICE PRESIDENT PEN WENT >> WHEN VICE PRESIDENT PEN WENT OVER THERE SEPTEMBER 1st, IN OVER THERE SEPTEMBER 1st, IN PRESIDENT TRUMP’S STEAD, YOU PRESIDENT TRUMP’S STEAD, YOU HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE THAT VICE HAVE REASON TO BELIEVE THAT VICE PRESIDENT PENCE WAS TASKED AT PRESIDENT PENCE WAS TASKED AT THAT MEETING WITH GETTING THAT MEETING WITH GETTING PRESIDENT ZELENSKY TO ANNOUNCE PRESIDENT ZELENSKY TO ANNOUNCE INVESTIGATION INTO JOE BIDEN INVESTIGATION INTO JOE BIDEN SPECIFICALLY AND TELL THEM THEY SPECIFICALLY AND TELL THEM THEY WOULDN’T GET THE AID -- WOULDN’T GET THE AID -- >> I DON’T KNOW EXACTLY, BUT >> I DON’T KNOW EXACTLY, BUT LIKE I SAID, THE AID ITSELF WAS LIKE I SAID, THE AID ITSELF WAS SOMETHING THAT I THINK THE SOMETHING THAT I THINK THE PRESIDENT DECIDED TO DO -- PRESIDENT DECIDED TO DO -- WHAT’S IT CALLED? WHAT’S IT CALLED? I THINK IT WAS A REACTION THAT I THINK IT WAS A REACTION THAT THERE WAS NO ANNOUNCEMENT BEING THERE WAS NO ANNOUNCEMENT BEING MADE AFTER SO MANY ATTEMPTS AND MADE AFTER SO MANY ATTEMPTS AND SO MANY PERFORMS. SO MANY PERFORMS. >> HOLDING THE AID WAS THE >> HOLDING THE AID WAS THE PRESIDENT’S SORT OF INNOVATION PRESIDENT’S SORT OF INNOVATION TO ADD TO THE LEVERAGE -- TO ADD TO THE LEVERAGE -- >> I THINK SO. >> I THINK SO. >>> ADD TO THE PRESSURE THAT >>> ADD TO THE PRESSURE THAT PEOPLE LIKE YOU, THE VICE PEOPLE LIKE YOU, THE VICE PRESIDENT, MR. GIULIANI, PRESIDENT, MR. GIULIANI, EVERYBODY ELSE INVOLVED WAS EVERYBODY ELSE INVOLVED WAS PUTTING ON UKRAINE. PUTTING ON UKRAINE. >> WHEN YOU SAY MR. BOLTON MAY >> WHEN YOU SAY MR. BOLTON MAY HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, DID MR. HAVE SOMETHING TO SAY, DID MR. BOLTON KNOW THAT VICE PRESIDENT BOLTON KNOW THAT VICE PRESIDENT PENCE WAS SUPPOSED TO SECURE PENCE WAS SUPPOSED TO SECURE THAT AGREEMENT? THAT AGREEMENT? >> I DON’T KNOW EXACTLY, BUT I >> I DON’T KNOW EXACTLY, BUT I KNOW MR. BOLTON WAS DEFINITELY KNOW MR. BOLTON WAS DEFINITELY INVOLVED IN THE LOOP BECAUSE OF INVOLVED IN THE LOOP BECAUSE OF THES FIRING OF MARIA THES FIRING OF MARIA YOVANOVITCH. YOVANOVITCH. AND HE WAS NOT -- THEY STARTED AND HE WAS NOT -- THEY STARTED BUTTING HEADS, AND FROM BOLTON BUTTING HEADS, AND FROM BOLTON DID NOT AGREE WITH GIULIANI ON DID NOT AGREE WITH GIULIANI ON THE WAY OF DEALING WITH IT, SO THE WAY OF DEALING WITH IT, SO THERE WAS TENSION THERE. THERE WAS TENSION THERE. THERE WAS DEFINITELY TENSION THERE WAS DEFINITELY TENSION THERE. THERE. >> BUT YOU BELIEVE HE KNOWS WHAT >> BUT YOU BELIEVE HE KNOWS WHAT THE ADMINISTRATION WAS THE ADMINISTRATION WAS PRESSURING UKRAINE TO DO? PRESSURING UKRAINE TO DO? >> BOLTON? >> BOLTON? 100%. 100%. HE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED THERE. HE KNOWS WHAT HAPPENED THERE. >>> LEV PARNAS IN AN EXCLUSIVE >>> LEV PARNAS IN AN EXCLUSIVE INTERVIEW WITH ME TODAY IN NEW INTERVIEW WITH ME TODAY IN NEW YORK CITY. YORK CITY. WE HAVE CONTACTED VICE PRESIDENT WE HAVE CONTACTED VICE PRESIDENT PENCE’S OFFICE TONIGHT ON THIS PENCE’S OFFICE TONIGHT ON THIS ALLEGATION THAT THE VISIT TO THE ALLEGATION THAT THE VISIT TO THE ZELENSKY INAUGURATION WALLS ZELENSKY INAUGURATION WALLS CANCELED BECAUSE UKRAINIAN CANCELED BECAUSE UKRAINIAN OFFICIAL WOULDN’T ANNOUNCE OFFICIAL WOULDN’T ANNOUNCE INVESTIGATION INTO JOE BIDEN. INVESTIGATION INTO JOE BIDEN. ALSO THE ALLEGATIONS THAT VICE ALSO THE ALLEGATIONS THAT VICE PRESIDENT PENCE WAS TASKED BY PRESIDENT PENCE WAS TASKED BY GETTING THAT COMMITMENT IN HI GETTING THAT COMMITMENT IN HI FOLLOW-UP VISIT WHEN HE MET WITH FOLLOW-UP VISIT WHEN HE MET WITH PRESIDENT ZELENSKY IN POLAND. PRESIDENT ZELENSKY IN POLAND. WE HAVE ASKED FOR COMMENT FROM WE HAVE ASKED FOR COMMENT FROM MIKE PENCE’S OFFICE ON THOSE MIKE PENCE’S OFFICE ON THOSE MATTERS. MATTERS. WE HAVE NOT HEARD BACK. WE HAVE NOT HEARD BACK. WE’LL LET YOU KNOW IN THAT WE’LL LET YOU KNOW IN THAT CHANGES. CHANGES. FOR HI PART, JOHN BOLTON SAID HE FOR HI PART, JOHN BOLTON SAID HE WOULD TESTIFY TO THE SENATE WOULD TESTIFY TO THE SENATE IMPEACHMENT TRIAL IF SUBPOENAED IMPEACHMENT TRIAL IF SUBPOENAED TO DO SO. TO DO SO. HE HAS MADE PUBLIC REMARKS THAT HE HAS MADE PUBLIC REMARKS THAT HE HAS RELEVANT INFORMATION HE HAS RELEVANT INFORMATION ABOUT THE IMPEACHMENT ABOUT THE IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATION, HE KNOWS THINGS INVESTIGATION, HE KNOWS THINGS OTHER PEOPLE DON’T KNOW. OTHER PEOPLE DON’T KNOW. IN TERMS OF THE PRESIDENT AND IN TERMS OF THE PRESIDENT AND THIS ALLEGATIONS PROR -- FROM THIS ALLEGATIONS PROR -- FROM MR. PARNAS THAT HE GAVE MR. PARNAS THAT HE GAVE EXCLUSIVE -- THAT MR. GIULIANI EXCLUSIVE -- THAT MR. GIULIANI EXPLICITLY TOLD UKRAINIAN EXPLICITLY TOLD UKRAINIAN OFFICIALS, ON THE AUTHORITY OF OFFICIALS, ON THE AUTHORITY OF THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES, THEY SHOULD LISTEN TO STATES, THEY SHOULD LISTEN TO MR. PARNAS, HE WAS QUITING THE MR. PARNAS, HE WAS QUITING THE FULL THEORY OF LEGAL FULL THEORY OF LEGAL REPRESENTATION, THAT HE WAS REPRESENTATION, THAT HE WAS FULLY AWARE OF AND INVOLVED IN FULLY AWARE OF AND INVOLVED IN ALL HIS EFFORTS, WE HAVE ASKED ALL HIS EFFORTS, WE HAVE ASKED THE WHITE HOUSE FOR COMMENT ON THE WHITE HOUSE FOR COMMENT ON MR. PARNAS’S REMARKS, WE HAVE MR. PARNAS’S REMARKS, WE HAVE NOT HEARD BACK. NOT HEARD BACK. >>> BUT NEXT HERE COMES THE PART >>> THERE WERE NOTES RELEASED TO >>> THERE WERE NOTES RELEASED TO THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE THAT THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE THAT WERE NOT RELEASED PUBLICLY, AND WERE NOT RELEASED PUBLICLY, AND IF YOU DON’T MIND, I WANT TO ASK IF YOU DON’T MIND, I WANT TO ASK YOU ABOUT SOME OF THESE. YOU ABOUT SOME OF THESE. >> SURE. >> SURE. >> WERE THESE NOTES THAT YOU >> WERE THESE NOTES THAT YOU TOOK -- I’LL SHOW THEM TO YOU TOOK -- I’LL SHOW THEM TO YOU HERE, OBVIOUSLY ON RITZ KARL TON HERE, OBVIOUSLY ON RITZ KARL TON VIENNA VIENNA -- CARLTON, WERE THIS IS NOTES -- CARLTON, WERE THIS IS NOTES FROM A PHONE CONVERSATION? FROM A PHONE CONVERSATION? >> THIS WAS A PHONE CONVERSATION >> THIS WAS A PHONE CONVERSATION I WAS HAVING WITH MR. GIULIANI, I WAS HAVING WITH MR. GIULIANI, BASICALLY DISCUSSING CERTAIN BASICALLY DISCUSSING CERTAIN THINGS. THINGS. AFTER THAT I WOULD HAVE HAD AFTER THAT I WOULD HAVE HAD SOMEBODY FROM THE ZELENSKY TEAM. SOMEBODY FROM THE ZELENSKY TEAM. >> YOU WERE FROM VIENNA AT THE >> YOU WERE FROM VIENNA AT THE TIME? TIME? >> CORRECT. >> CORRECT. >> FIRST NOTE -- GET ZELENSKY TO >> FIRST NOTE -- GET ZELENSKY TO ANNOUNCE THE BIDEN CASE WILL BE ANNOUNCE THE BIDEN CASE WILL BE INVESTIGATING. INVESTIGATING. THAT’S MR. GIULIANI TASKING YOU? THAT’S MR. GIULIANI TASKING YOU? >> THAT WAS ALWAYS THE MAIN >> THAT WAS ALWAYS THE MAIN OBJECTIVE. OBJECTIVE. >>> MAIN OBJECTIVE, GET THEM TO >>> MAIN OBJECTIVE, GET THEM TO ANNOUNCE THEY WERE INVESTIGATING ANNOUNCE THEY WERE INVESTIGATING JOE BIDEN. JOE BIDEN. THAT’S MR. PARNAS SPEAK TO ME THAT’S MR. PARNAS SPEAK TO ME TODAY IN NEW YORK CITY. TODAY IN NEW YORK CITY. ONE OF THE DARK HEARTS OF THIS ONE OF THE DARK HEARTS OF THIS IS THE VIRULENT, SKULL LUTZ Z IS THE VIRULENT, SKULL LUTZ Z SCURRILOUS EFFORT TO FIRE MARIA SCURRILOUS EFFORT TO FIRE MARIA YOVANOVITCH. YOVANOVITCH. HE ALSO MADE CRYSTAL CLEAR WHY HE ALSO MADE CRYSTAL CLEAR WHY SHE WAS TARGETED. SHE WAS TARGETED. >> DO YOU BELIEVE THAT PART OF >> DO YOU BELIEVE THAT PART OF THE MOTIVATION TO GET HER OUT OF THE MOTIVATION TO GET HER OUT OF POST IS SHE WAS IN THE WAY OF POST IS SHE WAS IN THE WAY OF THIS EFFORT TO GET THE THIS EFFORT TO GET THE GOVERNMENT OF UKRAINE TO GOVERNMENT OF UKRAINE TO ANNOUNCE INVESTIGATION OF JOE ANNOUNCE INVESTIGATION OF JOE BIDEN? BIDEN? >> THAT WAS THE ONLY MOTIVATION. >> THAT WAS THE ONLY MOTIVATION. THERE WAS NO OTHER MOTIVATION. THERE WAS NO OTHER MOTIVATION. >>> IF AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH >>> IF AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH WAS TARGETED BY LEV PARNAS, RUDY WAS TARGETED BY LEV PARNAS, RUDY GIULIANI, PRESIDENT TRUMP, GIULIANI, PRESIDENT TRUMP, OTHERS INVOLVED IN THIS EFFORT OTHERS INVOLVED IN THIS EFFORT TO GET HER OUT OF POST, TO GET TO GET HER OUT OF POST, TO GET HER OUT OF WAY OF THE BOG GUS HER OUT OF WAY OF THE BOG GUS JOE BIDEN INVESTIGATION -- OUR JOE BIDEN INVESTIGATION -- OUR PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING OF THAT PUBLIC UNDERSTANDING OF THAT CAMPAIGN AGAINST HER TOOK A VERY CAMPAIGN AGAINST HER TOOK A VERY DARK TURN LAST NIGHT, WHEN DARK TURN LAST NIGHT, WHEN INFORMATION THAT LEV PARNAS INFORMATION THAT LEV PARNAS TURNED OVER TO IMPEACHMENT TURNED OVER TO IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATORS REVEALED MENACING INVESTIGATORS REVEALED MENACING TEXT MESSAGES FROM A REPUBLICAN TEXT MESSAGES FROM A REPUBLICAN CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATE NAMED CONGRESSIONAL CANDIDATE NAMED ROBERT HYDE, WHO HAPPENED IN ROBERT HYDE, WHO HAPPENED IN THESE TEXTS TO BE REPORTING IN THESE TEXTS TO BE REPORTING IN TO LEV PARNAS ABOUT SURVEILLANCE TO LEV PARNAS ABOUT SURVEILLANCE OF AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH, OF AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH, ASKING LEV IF HE WANTED HER OUT ASKING LEV IF HE WANTED HER OUT AND IF THERE WAS A CONTACT IN AND IF THERE WAS A CONTACT IN HER SECURITY TEAM. HER SECURITY TEAM. I ASKED PARNAS ABOUT THAT. I ASKED PARNAS ABOUT THAT. HE TOLD ME HE DID NOT TAKE HE TOLD ME HE DID NOT TAKE ROBERT HYDE SERIOUSLY, EITHER IN ROBERT HYDE SERIOUSLY, EITHER IN GENERAL OR THE MESSAGES. GENERAL OR THE MESSAGES. HE AGREED THE MESSAGES WERE HE AGREED THE MESSAGES WERE DISTURBING, BUT HE NEVER DISTURBING, BUT HE NEVER BELIEVED MR. HYDE’S ASSERTIONS BELIEVED MR. HYDE’S ASSERTIONS ABOUT THE PURPORTED SURVEILLANCE ABOUT THE PURPORTED SURVEILLANCE NOR DID HE BELIEVE THAT NOR DID HE BELIEVE THAT AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH WAS AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH WAS ACTUALLY IN DANGER. ACTUALLY IN DANGER. >> WHO IS ROBERT HYDE? >> WHO IS ROBERT HYDE? >> HE’S A -- HE’S JUST -- I >> HE’S A -- HE’S JUST -- I DON’T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN HIM. DON’T KNOW HOW TO EXPLAIN HIM. >> I CAN BLEEP YOU IF THE NEED >> I CAN BLEEP YOU IF THE NEED TO SWEAR. TO SWEAR. >> HE’S A WEIRD CHARACTER. >> HE’S A WEIRD CHARACTER. HE’S A WEIRD INDIVIDUAL. HE’S A WEIRD INDIVIDUAL. >> YOU MET HIM WHERE? >> YOU MET HIM WHERE? >> I THINK AT THE TRUMP HOTEL. >> I THINK AT THE TRUMP HOTEL. HE WAS A REGULAR AT THE BAR. HE WAS A REGULAR AT THE BAR. >> SO WE NOW HAVE YOUR TEXT >> SO WE NOW HAVE YOUR TEXT MESSAGES WITH MR. HYDE THAT GET MESSAGES WITH MR. HYDE THAT GET INTO SOME DARK TERRITORY WHEN IT INTO SOME DARK TERRITORY WHEN IT COMES TO AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH. COMES TO AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH. >> YES. >> YES. >> IT SEEMS THAT IS SORT OF >> IT SEEMS THAT IS SORT OF STARTS, AT LEAST WHAT WE’VE GOT STARTS, AT LEAST WHAT WE’VE GOT YOU TEXTING HIM THAT APPEARS TO YOU TEXTING HIM THAT APPEARS TO BE ANTI-YOVANOVITCH -- BE ANTI-YOVANOVITCH -- >> ROBERT HYDE IS SOMEBODY WHO >> ROBERT HYDE IS SOMEBODY WHO WOULD HANG AROUND, BECAUSE HE WOULD HANG AROUND, BECAUSE HE DID KNOW -- HE DIDN’T KNOW THE DID KNOW -- HE DIDN’T KNOW THE PRESIDENT, AND HE DIDN’T KNOW PRESIDENT, AND HE DIDN’T KNOW RUDY GIULIANI, BUT THEY DID KNOW RUDY GIULIANI, BUT THEY DID KNOW McCARTHY, HE KNEW ROGER STONE, McCARTHY, HE KNEW ROGER STONE, ALL THEY WILL -- BECAUSE IT WAS ALL THEY WILL -- BECAUSE IT WAS LIKE A BREEDING GROUND AT THE LIKE A BREEDING GROUND AT THE TRUMP HOTEL. TRUMP HOTEL. EVERY EVENT WAS THERE, AND EVERY EVENT WAS THERE, AND EVERYBODY WOULD HANG OUT EVERYBODY WOULD HANG OUT AFTERWARDS. AFTERWARDS. SO YOU WOULD SEE THE SAME PEOPLE SO YOU WOULD SEE THE SAME PEOPLE THE SAME DAY. THE SAME DAY. SO HE WAS A FIXTURE ON SIGHT. SO HE WAS A FIXTURE ON SIGHT. HE WAS ALWAYS THERE, BUT HE WAS HE WAS ALWAYS THERE, BUT HE WAS ALWAYS DRUNK. ALWAYS DRUNK. >> YOU STRUCK UP A RELATIONSHIP >> YOU STRUCK UP A RELATIONSHIP ENOUGH TO BE TEXTING HIM. ENOUGH TO BE TEXTING HIM. >> IT WAS MORE OF IGOR HAD MORE >> IT WAS MORE OF IGOR HAD MORE RELATION. RELATION. HE JUST COULDN’T SPEAK WITH HE JUST COULDN’T SPEAK WITH IGOR, BECAUSE THEY WERE -- THEY IGOR, BECAUSE THEY WERE -- THEY WERE USUALLY AFTER WE WERE DONE WERE USUALLY AFTER WE WERE DONE FOR THE NIGHT, THE BAR SCENE WAS FOR THE NIGHT, THE BAR SCENE WAS HAPPENING, AND I DON’T DRINK, SO HAPPENING, AND I DON’T DRINK, SO THEY WOULD HANG OUT, HAVE A THEY WOULD HANG OUT, HAVE A DRINK AT THE BAR. DRINK AT THE BAR. >> THE TEXT MESSAGES HE SENDS >> THE TEXT MESSAGES HE SENDS ARE DISTURBING. ARE DISTURBING. >> VERY. >> VERY. >> WHAT IS THE CONTEXT OF THESE >> WHAT IS THE CONTEXT OF THESE TEXT EXCHANGES? TEXT EXCHANGES? HE APPEARS TO BE GIVING YOU HE APPEARS TO BE GIVING YOU SPECIFIC INFORMATION ABOUT THE SPECIFIC INFORMATION ABOUT THE AMBASSADOR’S MOVEMENT, ABOUT HER AMBASSADOR’S MOVEMENT, ABOUT HER LOCATION, THE SECURITY LOCATION, THE SECURITY SITUATION, CALLS HER THE B-WORD SITUATION, CALLS HER THE B-WORD OVER AND OVER AGAIN, SEEMS OVER AND OVER AGAIN, SEEMS HOSTILE AND MONITORING HER HOSTILE AND MONITORING HER WHEREABOUTS. WHEREABOUTS. >> CORRECT. >> CORRECT. >> WHY DID THOSE EXCHANGES >> WHY DID THOSE EXCHANGES HAPPEN? HAPPEN? >> I DON’T BELIEVE IT’S TRUE. >> I DON’T BELIEVE IT’S TRUE. HE WAS EITHER DRUNK OR TRYING TO HE WAS EITHER DRUNK OR TRYING TO MAKE HIMSELF BIGGER THAN HE WAS, MAKE HIMSELF BIGGER THAN HE WAS, SO I DIDN’T TAKE IT SERIOUSLY, SO I DIDN’T TAKE IT SERIOUSLY, AND IF YOU SEE, I DIDN’T RESPOND AND IF YOU SEE, I DIDN’T RESPOND MOST OF THE TIME. MOST OF THE TIME. IF I DID IT WAS SOMETHING LOOK IF I DID IT WAS SOMETHING LOOK LOL, OKAY OR GREAT. LOL, OKAY OR GREAT. I DIDN’T WANT HIM TO GET ROWDY I DIDN’T WANT HIM TO GET ROWDY IF I SAW HIM THE NEXT TIME, WHY IF I SAW HIM THE NEXT TIME, WHY DIDN’T YOU TEXT? DIDN’T YOU TEXT? EVENTUALLY I CUT HIM OFF. EVENTUALLY I CUT HIM OFF. I GOT DISTURBED, LIKE, THIS IS I GOT DISTURBED, LIKE, THIS IS CRAZY. CRAZY. SO I CALLED UP JOE AHERN, MY SO I CALLED UP JOE AHERN, MY CONTACT AT THE SUPER-PAC AMERICA CONTACT AT THE SUPER-PAC AMERICA FIRST, THAT KNEW OF HIM ALSO, FIRST, THAT KNEW OF HIM ALSO, BECAUSE HE KNEW ALL THE DONORS. BECAUSE HE KNEW ALL THE DONORS. I ASKED HIM, I SAID, WELL, IS I ASKED HIM, I SAID, WELL, IS THIS GUY OFF THE LOONIES? THIS GUY OFF THE LOONIES? HE TOLD ME, STAY AWAY FROM HIM, HE TOLD ME, STAY AWAY FROM HIM, BECAUSE HE’S GOT INTO SOMETHING BECAUSE HE’S GOT INTO SOMETHING WITH GREG PENCE, MIKE PENCE’S WITH GREG PENCE, MIKE PENCE’S BROTHER, THINKING THE SECRET BROTHER, THINKING THE SECRET SERVICE A AFTER HIM, SOMEBODY SERVICE A AFTER HIM, SOMEBODY WANTS TO KILL HIM. WANTS TO KILL HIM. I DON’T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, BUT I DON’T KNOW WHAT HAPPENED, BUT ONCE HE STARTED TEXTING ME THAT, ONCE HE STARTED TEXTING ME THAT, THAT WAS THE END OF THE THAT WAS THE END OF THE RELATIONSHIP. RELATIONSHIP. THE TEXTS WHERE HE WAS THE TEXTS WHERE HE WAS SUPPOSEDLY REPORTING ON THE SUPPOSEDLY REPORTING ON THE WHEREABOUTS OF THE AMBASSADOR, WHEREABOUTS OF THE AMBASSADOR, WAS FOR A WEEK. WAS FOR A WEEK. HE COULDN’T HAVE BEEN DRUNK THE HE COULDN’T HAVE BEEN DRUNK THE WHOLE TIME. WHOLE TIME. >> HE WAS DRUNK THE WHOLE TIME. >> HE WAS DRUNK THE WHOLE TIME. HE WAKES UP -- HE STARTS AT HE WAKES UP -- HE STARTS AT 6:00 -- I’VE NEVER SEEN HIM NOT 6:00 -- I’VE NEVER SEEN HIM NOT DRUNK. DRUNK. >> SO YOU THOUGHT THIS WAS HIM >> SO YOU THOUGHT THIS WAS HIM MAKING IT UP. MAKING IT UP. YOU DIDN’T BELIEVE HE HAD THE YOU DIDN’T BELIEVE HE HAD THE AMBASSADOR UNDER SURVEILLANCE? AMBASSADOR UNDER SURVEILLANCE? >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. >> ABSOLUTELY NOT. >> I ASKED HIM SEVERAL TIMES IF >> I ASKED HIM SEVERAL TIMES IF THOSE TEXT MESSAGES FROM ROBERT THOSE TEXT MESSAGES FROM ROBERT HYDE INDICATED A REAL THREAT TO HYDE INDICATED A REAL THREAT TO AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH. AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH. I ASKED HIM ABOUT IT WITH AS I ASKED HIM ABOUT IT WITH AS MANY ANGLES I CAN’T THINK OF, MANY ANGLES I CAN’T THINK OF, AND HE WAS ADAMANT IN HIS AND HE WAS ADAMANT IN HIS THOUGHTS. THOUGHTS. >>> ARE YOU CLEAR ON WHETHER OR >>> ARE YOU CLEAR ON WHETHER OR NOT THERE WAS EVER AS ACTUAL NOT THERE WAS EVER AS ACTUAL PHYSICAL THREAT OR A THREAT OF PHYSICAL THREAT OR A THREAT OF PERSONAL INTIMIDATION AGAINST PERSONAL INTIMIDATION AGAINST AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH? AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH? >> NEVER FROM MY SIDE OR ANYONE >> NEVER FROM MY SIDE OR ANYONE I KNOW. I KNOW. >> YOU DIDN’T WORRY SHE WAS >> YOU DIDN’T WORRY SHE WAS ACTUALLY IN PHYSICAL DANGER. ACTUALLY IN PHYSICAL DANGER. >> NO, NEVER. >> NO, NEVER. >> BECAUSE YOU DIDN’T BELIEVE >> BECAUSE YOU DIDN’T BELIEVE MR. HYDE. MR. HYDE. >> NO, I DIDN’T BELIEVE MR. >> NO, I DIDN’T BELIEVE MR. HYDE, NO. HYDE, NO. >>> WE CONTACTED ATTORNEYS FRO >>> WE CONTACTED ATTORNEYS FRO AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH TO LET AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH TO LET THEM KNOW ABOUT THESE STATEMENTS THEM KNOW ABOUT THESE STATEMENTS ABOUT THIS POSSIBLE THREAT TO ABOUT THIS POSSIBLE THREAT TO THEIR CLIENT. THEIR CLIENT. THEY ARE NOT COMMENTING TONIGHT, THEY ARE NOT COMMENTING TONIGHT, BUT WE’VE GOT MORE AHEAD, BUT WE’VE GOT MORE AHEAD, INCLUDING WHAT ENDS UP BEING A INCLUDING WHAT ENDS UP BEING A VERY DIFFICULT CONVERSATION VERY DIFFICULT CONVERSATION ABOUT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF ABOUT THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES, WILLIAM BARR. THE UNITED STATES, WILLIAM BARR. >>> DID RUDY GIULIANI TELL YOU >>> DID RUDY GIULIANI TELL YOU HE HAD SUPPOSE TO THE ATTORNEY HE HAD SUPPOSE TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SPECIFICALLY ABOUT GENERAL SPECIFICALLY ABOUT UKRAINE? UKRAINE? >> NOCHBL RUDY GIULIANI. >> NOCHBL RUDY GIULIANI. VICTORIA AND JOE, THEY WERE ALL VICTORIA AND JOE, THEY WERE ALL BEST FRIENDS T ATTORNEY GENERAL >>> PAUL POINT OF PERSONAL >>> PAUL POINT OF PERSONAL PRIVILEGE. PRIVILEGE. ONE OF WEIRD THINGS FOR ME OVER ONE OF WEIRD THINGS FOR ME OVER THE PAST FEW MOMENTS IS RIGHT AT THE PAST FEW MOMENTS IS RIGHT AT THE TIME THAT HOUSE ANNOUNCED THE TIME THAT HOUSE ANNOUNCED IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS, I RIGHT IMPEACHMENT PROCEEDINGS, I RIGHT THEN, THAT WEEK, WAS PUBLISHING THEN, THAT WEEK, WAS PUBLISHING A BOOK CALLED "BLOWOUT" ABOUT A BOOK CALLED "BLOWOUT" ABOUT THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY. THE OIL AND GAS INDUSTRY. IN THE BOOK I USED THE STORY IN THE BOOK I USED THE STORY THAT I THOUGHT WAS AN THAT I THOUGHT WAS AN INTERESTING SIDEBAR UP STORY INTERESTING SIDEBAR UP STORY ABOUT DIMITRI VERTASH, TO TELL A ABOUT DIMITRI VERTASH, TO TELL A STORY ABOUT RUSSIA WAS STORY ABOUT RUSSIA WAS DELIBERATELY -- AND THEN AS THE DELIBERATELY -- AND THEN AS THE BOOK WAS COMING OUT, OTHER THAN BOOK WAS COMING OUT, OTHER THAN DIMITT RICK WAS REVEALED TO BE DIMITT RICK WAS REVEALED TO BE ONE OF THE FORCES AT WORK TO TRY ONE OF THE FORCES AT WORK TO TRY TO SMEAR THIS CAMPAIGN TO SMEAR TO SMEAR THIS CAMPAIGN TO SMEAR JOE BIDEN, FIRE THE AMBASSADOR. JOE BIDEN, FIRE THE AMBASSADOR. IT WAS TOTALLY UNINTENTIONAL ON IT WAS TOTALLY UNINTENTIONAL ON MY PART. MY PART. IT WAS A BIT OF AN ACADEMIC NEWS IT WAS A BIT OF AN ACADEMIC NEWS WORLD CAR CRASH. WORLD CAR CRASH. NOW TODAY DIMITT RICK FURTASH NOW TODAY DIMITT RICK FURTASH FACTOR HAS BEEN MORE MYSTERIOUS. FACTOR HAS BEEN MORE MYSTERIOUS. HE IS UNDER FEDERAL INDICTMENT. HE IS UNDER FEDERAL INDICTMENT. HE’S UNDER INDICTMENT ON HE’S UNDER INDICTMENT ON MULTIPLE SERIOUS FELONY MULTIPLE SERIOUS FELONY CORRUPTION CHARGES, FIGHTING CORRUPTION CHARGES, FIGHTING EXTRADITION TO THE UNITED EXTRADITION TO THE UNITED STATES, CURRENTLY UNDER HOUSE STATES, CURRENTLY UNDER HOUSE ARREST IN VIENNA. ARREST IN VIENNA. THE REASON WHY THIS GOT LESS THE REASON WHY THIS GOT LESS MYSTERIOUS MYSTERIOUS MYSTERIOUS, IN MY INTERVIEW, LEV MYSTERIOUS, IN MY INTERVIEW, LEV PARNAS SPELLED OUT BASICALLY PARNAS SPELLED OUT BASICALLY WHAT THIS OLIGARCH, DIMITRI WHAT THIS OLIGARCH, DIMITRI FIRTASH WAS DOING, AND HOW IT FIRTASH WAS DOING, AND HOW IT ALL ULTIMATELY BRINGS US TO THE ALL ULTIMATELY BRINGS US TO THE DESK OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF DESK OF THE ATTORNEY GENERAL OF THE UNITED STATES, WILLIAM BARR. THE UNITED STATES, WILLIAM BARR. >>> SO AT SOME POINT WE HAD A >>> SO AT SOME POINT WE HAD A MEETING AT OUR -- IN OUR OFFICE MEETING AT OUR -- IN OUR OFFICE ON THE SECOND FLOOR. ON THE SECOND FLOOR. >> AT THE TRUMP HOTEL? >> AT THE TRUMP HOTEL? >> AT THE TRUMP HOTEL. >> AT THE TRUMP HOTEL. AT THAT MEETING WITH RUDY AND AT THAT MEETING WITH RUDY AND VICTORIA AND JOE, JOHN BROUGHT VICTORIA AND JOE, JOHN BROUGHT UP SAYING HE HAD SOME INCREDIBLE UP SAYING HE HAD SOME INCREDIBLE INFORMATION FROM FIRTASH CAMP, INFORMATION FROM FIRTASH CAMP, WHICH LATER WAS FOUND OUT THAT WHICH LATER WAS FOUND OUT THAT LENNY DAVIS GAVE IT TO HIM, BUT LENNY DAVIS GAVE IT TO HIM, BUT BASICALLY SHOWED THAT ANDREW BASICALLY SHOWED THAT ANDREW WEISMAN WAS DOING SOME LEGAL WEISMAN WAS DOING SOME LEGAL STUFF, OFFERING A DEAL AND IT STUFF, OFFERING A DEAL AND IT COULD BLOW UP THE SMALLER COULD BLOW UP THE SMALLER INVESTIGATION UP THE KAZOO. INVESTIGATION UP THE KAZOO. >> CAN I STOP YOU THERE? >> CAN I STOP YOU THERE? THE ALLEGATION, AS YOU THE ALLEGATION, AS YOU UNDERSTOOD IT, WAS THAT ANDREW UNDERSTOOD IT, WAS THAT ANDREW WISEMAN, ONE OF THE PROSECUTORS WISEMAN, ONE OF THE PROSECUTORS ON THE MUELLER TEAM, HAD HAD AN ON THE MUELLER TEAM, HAD HAD AN INTERACTION WITH DIMITRI INTERACTION WITH DIMITRI FIRTASH, AND THAT INTERACTION FIRTASH, AND THAT INTERACTION MR. SOLOMON WAS SAYING WOULD MR. SOLOMON WAS SAYING WOULD DISCREDIT THE MUELLER DISCREDIT THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION. INVESTIGATION. >> CORRECT. >> CORRECT. WE WERE BASICALLY TRYASKED TO TR WE WERE BASICALLY TRYASKED TO TR TO ESTABLISH A RELATIONSHIP. TO ESTABLISH A RELATIONSHIP. >> SPECIFICATION TO DISCREDIT >> SPECIFICATION TO DISCREDIT THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION. THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION. >> I WAS GIVING CERTAIN >> I WAS GIVING CERTAIN DOCUMENTS BY SOLOMON TO VALIDATE DOCUMENTS BY SOLOMON TO VALIDATE TO FIRTASH THAT I WAS IN THE TO FIRTASH THAT I WAS IN THE LOOP. LOOP. HE DIDN’T JUST SEE ANYBODY. HE DIDN’T JUST SEE ANYBODY. IT’S IMPOSSIBLE TO MEET WITH IT’S IMPOSSIBLE TO MEET WITH HIM. HIM. WE HAD TO PROMISE FIRTASH WE HAD TO PROMISE FIRTASH SOMETHING. SOMETHING. IT WAS BASICALLY TELLING HIM WE IT WAS BASICALLY TELLING HIM WE KNEW HIS CASE IS WORTHLESS HERE KNEW HIS CASE IS WORTHLESS HERE AND THAT HE’S BEING PROSECUTED AND THAT HE’S BEING PROSECUTED FOR NO REASON AND BASICALLY IT FOR NO REASON AND BASICALLY IT COULD GET TAKEN CARE OF. COULD GET TAKEN CARE OF. >> THAT WAS YOUR OFFER TO MR. >> THAT WAS YOUR OFFER TO MR. FIRTASH, WE CAN GET THE CASE FIRTASH, WE CAN GET THE CASE DROPPED. DROPPED. >> YOUR EXTRADITION CASE, YES. >> YOUR EXTRADITION CASE, YES. >>> SO THE EXCHANGE WITH MR. >>> SO THE EXCHANGE WITH MR. FIRTASH WOULD BE YOU PROVIDE US FIRTASH WOULD BE YOU PROVIDE US INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE INFORMATION THAT WOULD BE DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC DETRIMENTAL TO THE PUBLIC PERCEPTION OF THE MUELLER PERCEPTION OF THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION, AND WE IN TURN INVESTIGATION, AND WE IN TURN WILL GET YOUR CASE DROPPED AT WILL GET YOUR CASE DROPPED AT THE DOJ. THE DOJ. >> THAT’S HOW IT BEGAN. >> THAT’S HOW IT BEGAN. >>> THEY WERE GOING TO BECOME >>> THEY WERE GOING TO BECOME LAWYERS TO EFFECTUATE THIS LAWYERS TO EFFECTUATE THIS TRADE? TRADE? >> CORRECT. >> CORRECT. >>> YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BROKER >>> YOU WERE SUPPOSED TO BROKER THIS? THIS? >> CORRECT. >> CORRECT. >>> WHAT’S THIS $100,000 A >>> WHAT’S THIS $100,000 A MONTH? MONTH? >> THAT WAS EXPENSES FOR THEM. >> THAT WAS EXPENSES FOR THEM. >> YOU WERE SUPPOSE TO DO >> YOU WERE SUPPOSE TO DO NEGOTIATE WHAT THEY WERE GETTING NEGOTIATE WHAT THEY WERE GETTING PAID? PAID? >> MINE IS NOT THIS THERE. >> MINE IS NOT THIS THERE. MINE WAS $200,000. MINE WAS $200,000. >> WHAT’S THAT NEXT LINE? >> WHAT’S THAT NEXT LINE? IS THAT THE FOUNDER OF BURISMA? IS THAT THE FOUNDER OF BURISMA? >> YES. >> YES. >>> WHAT ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO BE >>> WHAT ARE YOU SUPPOSED TO BE GETTING FROM LANNY DAVIS AND MR. GETTING FROM LANNY DAVIS AND MR. FIRTASH? FIRTASH? >> SUPPOSEDLY JOHN SOLOMON SAID >> SUPPOSEDLY JOHN SOLOMON SAID THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE CASE THERE WAS SOMETHING IN THE CASE ABOUT THAT. ABOUT THAT. >> SO THAT’S WHY THIS WAS ALL >> SO THAT’S WHY THIS WAS ALL ONE CONVERSATION WITH MR. RUDY ONE CONVERSATION WITH MR. RUDY GIULIANI. GIULIANI. >> CORRECT. >> CORRECT. >> ANNOUNCING THE BIDEN >> ANNOUNCING THE BIDEN INVESTIGATION AND TALKING ABOUT INVESTIGATION AND TALKING ABOUT GETTING FIRTASH OFF FROM THIS GETTING FIRTASH OFF FROM THIS DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE PROSECUTION, THESE WERE PROSECUTION, THESE WERE CONNECTED? CONNECTED? >> IT WAS ALL CONNECTED. >> IT WAS ALL CONNECTED. AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE AT THE END OF THE DAY, THE AGENDA WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE AGENDA WAS TO MAKE SURE THAT THE UKRAINIANS ANNOUNCED THE BIDEN UKRAINIANS ANNOUNCED THE BIDEN ADVANCE. ADVANCE. >>> SO A CONSERVATIVE >>> SO A CONSERVATIVE JOURNALIST, JOHN SOL MAN, AND JOURNALIST, JOHN SOL MAN, AND TWO FOX NEWS LAWYERS, AND RUDY TWO FOX NEWS LAWYERS, AND RUDY GIULIANI AND LEV PARNAS ARE ALL GIULIANI AND LEV PARNAS ARE ALL IN THE TELLING, IN AN EFFORT TO IN THE TELLING, IN AN EFFORT TO ENLIST THE HELP OF A ENLIST THE HELP OF A BILLIONAIRE, KREMLIN-CONNECTED, BILLIONAIRE, KREMLIN-CONNECTED, ALLEGEDLY MOBBED UP OLIGARCH, TO ALLEGEDLY MOBBED UP OLIGARCH, TO HELP THEM PRESSURE THE HELP THEM PRESSURE THE UKRAINIANS. UKRAINIANS. THE OLIGARCH AND HIS TEAM TELLS THE OLIGARCH AND HIS TEAM TELLS THE MOTLEY CRUE HE CAN HELP WITH THE MOTLEY CRUE HE CAN HELP WITH GETTING THAT. GETTING THAT. HE CAN ALSO HELP THEM DISCREDIT HE CAN ALSO HELP THEM DISCREDIT THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION. THE MUELLER INVESTIGATION. THEY SAY THAT WOULD BE GREAT. THEY SAY THAT WOULD BE GREAT. WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER YOU IN WHAT WE HAVE TO OFFER YOU IN EXCHANGE IS WE CAN HELP STOP YOU EXCHANGE IS WE CAN HELP STOP YOU FROM BEING EXTRADITED TO THE FROM BEING EXTRADITED TO THE UNITED STATES TO FACE FELONY UNITED STATES TO FACE FELONY CORRUPTION CHARGES FROM THE U.S. CORRUPTION CHARGES FROM THE U.S. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE. "THE WASHINGTON POST" JUST THIS "THE WASHINGTON POST" JUST THIS AFTERNOON RECORDS THAT MR. AFTERNOON RECORDS THAT MR. GIULIANI’S INVOLVED WITH MR. GIULIANI’S INVOLVED WITH MR. FIRTASH, AND HIS SORT OF TEAM, FIRTASH, AND HIS SORT OF TEAM, APPEARS TO BE AN ONGOING APPEARS TO BE AN ONGOING CONCERN. CONCERN. LEV PARNAS SAID HIS GROUP’S LEV PARNAS SAID HIS GROUP’S ADVOCACY TO GET THE CASE ADVOCACY TO GET THE CASE DROPPED, DID GO ALL THE WAY TO DROPPED, DID GO ALL THE WAY TO ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR, ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR, AND HE SAYS THAT ATTORNEY AND HE SAYS THAT ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR WAS MORE WIDELY GENERAL BARR WAS MORE WIDELY READ IN ON WHAT THEY WERE DOING. READ IN ON WHAT THEY WERE DOING. DID YOU HAVE EVER MEETING WITH DID YOU HAVE EVER MEETING WITH OR INTEREST INTERACTION WITH HIS OR INTEREST INTERACTION WITH HIS ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR? ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR? >> I DID NOT PERSONALLY SPOKE TO >> I DID NOT PERSONALLY SPOKE TO HIM, BUT I WAS INVOLVED IN LOTS HIM, BUT I WAS INVOLVED IN LOTS OF CONVERSATIONS THAT JOE OF CONVERSATIONS THAT JOE diGENOVA DID, RUDY GIULIANI IT diGENOVA DID, RUDY GIULIANI IT IN FRONT OF ME, AND SETTING UP IN FRONT OF ME, AND SETTING UP MEETINGS WITH -- MEETINGS WITH -- >> DO YOU KNOW IF RUDY GIULIANI >> DO YOU KNOW IF RUDY GIULIANI WAS EVER IN CONTACT WITH MR. WAS EVER IN CONTACT WITH MR. BARR, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE BARR, SPECIFICALLY ABOUT THE FACT THAT HE WAS TRYING TO GET FACT THAT HE WAS TRYING TO GET UKRAINE TO ANNOUNCE THEY UKRAINE TO ANNOUNCE THEY INVESTIGATION INTO JOE BIDEN? INVESTIGATION INTO JOE BIDEN? >> ABSOLUTELY. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> MR. BARR KNEW ABOUT IT? >> MR. BARR KNEW ABOUT IT? >> MR. BARR HAD TO HAVE KNOWN >> MR. BARR HAD TO HAVE KNOWN EVERYTHING. EVERYTHING. IT’S GLOBAL. IT’S GLOBAL. >> DID RUDY GIULIANI TELL YOU HE >> DID RUDY GIULIANI TELL YOU HE HAD SPOKEN TO THE ATTORNEY HAD SPOKEN TO THE ATTORNEY GENERAL SPECIFICALLY? GENERAL SPECIFICALLY? >> NOT ONLY RUDY GIULIANI, >> NOT ONLY RUDY GIULIANI, VICTORIA AND JOE, THEY WERE ALL VICTORIA AND JOE, THEY WERE ALL BEST FRIENDS. BEST FRIENDS. BARR WAS -- ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR WAS -- ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR WAS BASICALLY ON THE TEAM. BARR WAS BASICALLY ON THE TEAM. >> WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP AND >> WHEN PRESIDENT TRUMP AND PRESIDENT ZELENSKY SPOKE IN PRESIDENT ZELENSKY SPOKE IN JULY, WE NO FROM THE WHO YOU JULY, WE NO FROM THE WHO YOU NOTES OF THE CALL, PRESIDENT NOTES OF THE CALL, PRESIDENT TRUMP TOLD MR. ZELENSKY HE TRUMP TOLD MR. ZELENSKY HE SHOULD CONTACT MR. WILLIAM BARR SHOULD CONTACT MR. WILLIAM BARR ABOUT THESE INVESTIGATIONS THAT ABOUT THESE INVESTIGATIONS THAT HE WANTED HIM TO DO. HE WANTED HIM TO DO. >> CORRECT. >> CORRECT. >> THAT STRUCK A LOT OF PEOPLE >> THAT STRUCK A LOT OF PEOPLE AS CHANGE. AS CHANGE. ATTORNEY GENERAL BRAR WAS ATTORNEY GENERAL BRAR WAS REPORTEDLY UPSET, DIDN’T KNOW REPORTEDLY UPSET, DIDN’T KNOW WHY HE WOULD BE MENTIONED, BUT WHY HE WOULD BE MENTIONED, BUT IT SOUNDS LIKE IT MAKES SENSE TO IT SOUNDS LIKE IT MAKES SENSE TO YOU. YOU. >> ABSOLUTELY. >> ABSOLUTELY. WE KNEW ABOUT THE INVESTIGATION, WE KNEW ABOUT THE INVESTIGATION, AND ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR WANTED AND ATTORNEY GENERAL BARR WANTED TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE TO GET TO THE BOTTOM OF THE BIDEN STUFF. BIDEN STUFF. I THINK HE MIGHT HAVE GOT UPSET I THINK HE MIGHT HAVE GOT UPSET THAT TRUMP TALKED -- THE THAT TRUMP TALKED -- THE PRESIDENT OUSTED HIM, MAYBE, HE PRESIDENT OUSTED HIM, MAYBE, HE DIDN’T WANT TO BE IN THE PUBLIC DIDN’T WANT TO BE IN THE PUBLIC EYE, BUT IT WAS KNOWN INTERNALLY EYE, BUT IT WAS KNOWN INTERNALLY THAT HE WAS INVESTIGATING THE THAT HE WAS INVESTIGATING THE INVESTIGATORS. INVESTIGATORS. >> DO YOU KNOW IF ATTORNEY >> DO YOU KNOW IF ATTORNEY GENERAL WILLIAM BARR EVERY SPOKE GENERAL WILLIAM BARR EVERY SPOKE WITH ANY UKRAINIAN OFFICIALS? WITH ANY UKRAINIAN OFFICIALS? >> I DON’T RECALL AT THIS >> I DON’T RECALL AT THIS MOMENT. MOMENT. I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT MY TEXT I WOULD HAVE TO LOOK AT MY TEXT MESSAGES AND SEE. MESSAGES AND SEE. >>> WE CONTACTED THE JUSTICE >>> WE CONTACTED THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT FOR COMMENT ON MR. DEPARTMENT FOR COMMENT ON MR. PARNAS’ PECK AT PARNAS’ PECK AT THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT DID GIVE THE JUSTICE DEPARTMENT DID GIVE US A RESPONSE T. IS A. US A RESPONSE T. IS A. IT IS A TWO-WORD RESPONSE, IT IS A TWO-WORD RESPONSE, TECHNICALLY ONE NUMBER AND ONE TECHNICALLY ONE NUMBER AND ONE WORD. WORD. SHE TOLD US, QUOTE, 100% FALSE. >>> TODAY THE IMPEACHMENT >>> TODAY THE IMPEACHMENT ARTICLES WERE CONVEYED FROM THE ARTICLES WERE CONVEYED FROM THE U.S. HOUSE TO THE U.S. SENATE. U.S. HOUSE TO THE U.S. SENATE. SENATE TRIAL IS DUE TO FORMALLY SENATE TRIAL IS DUE TO FORMALLY START TOMORROW. START TOMORROW. ONE OF THE AWKWARD REVELATIONS ONE OF THE AWKWARD REVELATIONS IN THIS SAGA IS THAT WHILE THE IN THIS SAGA IS THAT WHILE THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE IN THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE IN THE HOUSE WAS LEADING THE HOUSE WAS LEADING THE INVESTIGATION OF THE IMPEACHMENT INVESTIGATION OF THE IMPEACHMENT SCAN SCAN SCANDAL, IT EMERGED THAT THE TOP SCANDAL, IT EMERGED THAT THE TOP REPUBLICAN MEMBER OF CONGRESS ON REPUBLICAN MEMBER OF CONGRESS ON THAT COMMITTEE, CONGRESSMAN THAT COMMITTEE, CONGRESSMAN DEVIN NUNES ON CALIFORNIA DEVIN NUNES ON CALIFORNIA APPEARED HIMSELF TOCHB TO HAVE APPEARED HIMSELF TOCHB TO HAVE BEEN CONNECTED TO THE PEOPLE BEEN CONNECTED TO THE PEOPLE INVOLVED IN THE SCANDAL AND INVOLVED IN THE SCANDAL AND POTENTIALLY TO THE SCANDAL POTENTIALLY TO THE SCANDAL ITSELF. ITSELF. BECAUSE CONGRESSMAN NUNES HAS BECAUSE CONGRESSMAN NUNES HAS BEEN PUBLICLY VERY VAGUE AND BEEN PUBLICLY VERY VAGUE AND DEFENSIVE ABOUT WHETHER HE DEFENSIVE ABOUT WHETHER HE REMEMBERS ANY OF HIS OWN REMEMBERS ANY OF HIS OWN COMMUNICATIONS WITH LEV PARNAS COMMUNICATIONS WITH LEV PARNAS DURING THE TIME THIS UKRAINE DURING THE TIME THIS UKRAINE SCHEME WAS UNDERWAY, I ASKED MR. SCHEME WAS UNDERWAY, I ASKED MR. PARNAS TODAY IF HE REMEMBERS ANY PARNAS TODAY IF HE REMEMBERS ANY INTERACTIONS WITH CONGRESSMAN INTERACTIONS WITH CONGRESSMAN NUNES. NUNES. >> DO YOU KNOW CONGRESSMAN DEVIN >> DO YOU KNOW CONGRESSMAN DEVIN NUNES? NUNES? >> YES, I DO. >> YES, I DO. >> WHAT’S BEEN YOUR RELATIONSHIP >> WHAT’S BEEN YOUR RELATIONSHIP WITH HIM? WITH HIM? >> WE DON’T HAVE TOO MUCH OF A >> WE DON’T HAVE TOO MUCH OF A RELATIONSHIP. RELATIONSHIP. WE MET SEVERAL TIMES AT THE WE MET SEVERAL TIMES AT THE TRUMP HOTEL, BUT OUR TRUMP HOTEL, BUT OUR RELATIONSHIP STARTED GETTING RELATIONSHIP STARTED GETTING BASICALLY WHERE IT EXPANDED WAS BASICALLY WHERE IT EXPANDED WAS WHEN I WAS SPROINTRODUCED TO HIS WHEN I WAS SPROINTRODUCED TO HIS AIDE, DARA CARVEY, AND THE AIDE, DARA CARVEY, AND THE REASON WHY DARA CARVEY I WAS REASON WHY DARA CARVEY I WAS TOLD BECAUSE DEVIN NUNES HAD AN TOLD BECAUSE DEVIN NUNES HAD AN ETHICS, AN ETHICS COMMITTEE, HE ETHICS, AN ETHICS COMMITTEE, HE COULDN’T BE IN THE SPOTLIGHT. COULDN’T BE IN THE SPOTLIGHT. HE WAS KIND OF SHUNNED A LITTLE HE WAS KIND OF SHUNNED A LITTLE BIT AND THAT HE WAS LOOKING INTO BIT AND THAT HE WAS LOOKING INTO THIS UKRAINE STUFF ALSO, WANTED THIS UKRAINE STUFF ALSO, WANTED TO HELP OUT. TO HELP OUT. THEY GAVE ME DA ARE,. THEY GAVE ME DA ARE,. >> YOU TOLD MR. HARVEY WHAT YOU >> YOU TOLD MR. HARVEY WHAT YOU WERE WORKING ON IN UKRAINE? WERE WORKING ON IN UKRAINE? >> HE WAS AWARE OF THAT ALREADY. >> HE WAS AWARE OF THAT ALREADY. HE KNEW EVERYTHING. HE KNEW EVERYTHING. >> HE ALREADY KNEW THAT BY THE >> HE ALREADY KNEW THAT BY THE TIME HE TALKED TO YOU. TIME HE TALKED TO YOU. >> HE HAD A LOT OF INFORMATION >> HE HAD A LOT OF INFORMATION ALREADY. ALREADY. >> DO YOU BELIEVE HE’D GOTTEN >> DO YOU BELIEVE HE’D GOTTEN THAT INFORMATION FROM MR. THAT INFORMATION FROM MR. GIULIANI? GIULIANI? >> I THINK THAT THEY -- LIKE I >> I THINK THAT THEY -- LIKE I SAID, THERE WAS OTHER PEOPLE SAID, THERE WAS OTHER PEOPLE DOING LIKE THIS OP RESEARCH OR DOING LIKE THIS OP RESEARCH OR WHATEVER, I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU WHATEVER, I DON’T KNOW WHAT YOU CALL IT, BUT IT WAS COMING FROM CALL IT, BUT IT WAS COMING FROM DIFFERENT SIDES, YEAH. DIFFERENT SIDES, YEAH. >> GIVEN THAT INTERACTION THAT >> GIVEN THAT INTERACTION THAT YOU JUST DESCRIBED WITH YOU JUST DESCRIBED WITH CONGRESSMAN NUNES AND HIS AIDE, CONGRESSMAN NUNES AND HIS AIDE, MR. HARVEY, DOES IT STRIKE YOU MR. HARVEY, DOES IT STRIKE YOU AS UNUSUAL OR INAPPROPRIATE THAT AS UNUSUAL OR INAPPROPRIATE THAT DEVIN NUNES WOULD BE ONE OF THE DEVIN NUNES WOULD BE ONE OF THE LEAD INVESTIGATORS INTO THIS LEAD INVESTIGATORS INTO THIS SCANDAL ON THE HOUSE SCANDAL ON THE HOUSE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE? INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE? HE’S OBVIOUSLY THE TOP HE’S OBVIOUSLY THE TOP REPUBLICAN ON THAT COMMITTEE? REPUBLICAN ON THAT COMMITTEE? >> I WAS IN SHOCK WHEN I WAS >> I WAS IN SHOCK WHEN I WAS WATCHING THE HEARINGS AND WHEN I WATCHING THE HEARINGS AND WHEN I SAW DEVIN NUNES SITTING UP SAW DEVIN NUNES SITTING UP THERE, AND THEN THERE WAS A THERE, AND THEN THERE WAS A PICTURE WHERE HARVEY WAS IN BACK PICTURE WHERE HARVEY WAS IN BACK SITTING. SITTING. I TEXTED MY ATTORNEY I CAN’T I TEXTED MY ATTORNEY I CAN’T BELIEVE THIS IS HAPPENING. BELIEVE THIS IS HAPPENING. >> BECAUSE? >> BECAUSE? >> BECAUSE THEY WERE INVOLVED IN >> BECAUSE THEY WERE INVOLVED IN GETTING ALL THIS STUFF ON BIDEN. GETTING ALL THIS STUFF ON BIDEN. I MEAN, DEREK HARVEY HAD SEVERAL I MEAN, DEREK HARVEY HAD SEVERAL SKYPE INTERVIEWS I SET UP WITH SKYPE INTERVIEWS I SET UP WITH DIFFERENT PROSECUTORS LIKE DIFFERENT PROSECUTORS LIKE HALADITS HALADITS HALADITSKY, THE CORRUPTION HALADITSKY, THE CORRUPTION PROSECUTOR IN UKRAINE, SO IT’S PROSECUTOR IN UKRAINE, SO IT’S HARD TO SEE THEM LIE LIKE THAT HARD TO SEE THEM LIE LIKE THAT WHEN YOU KNOW IT’S LIKE THAT WHEN YOU KNOW IT’S LIKE THAT SCARY BECAUSE YOU KNOW, HE WAS SCARY BECAUSE YOU KNOW, HE WAS SITTING THERE AND MAKING ALL SITTING THERE AND MAKING ALL THESE STATEMENTS AND ALL THAT THESE STATEMENTS AND ALL THAT WHEN HE KNEW VERY WELL THAT HE WHEN HE KNEW VERY WELL THAT HE KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON. KNEW WHAT WAS GOING ON. HE KNEW WHAT’S HAPPENING. HE KNEW WHAT’S HAPPENING. HE KNOWS WHO I AM. HE KNOWS WHO I AM. >> AGAIN, CONGRESSMAN DEVIN >> AGAIN, CONGRESSMAN DEVIN NUNES IS THE TOP REPUBLICAN ON NUNES IS THE TOP REPUBLICAN ON THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE, WHICH IS THE COMMITTEE THAT WHICH IS THE COMMITTEE THAT INVESTIGATED THE UKRAINE INVESTIGATED THE UKRAINE SCANDAL. SCANDAL. LEV PARNAS SAYS THAT MR. NUNES LEV PARNAS SAYS THAT MR. NUNES AND HIS TOP STAFFER WERE AND HIS TOP STAFFER WERE ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN THE UKRAINE ACTUALLY INVOLVED IN THE UKRAINE SCANDAL IN THE SENSE THAT THEY SCANDAL IN THE SENSE THAT THEY WERE INVOLVED IN THE EFFORT TO WERE INVOLVED IN THE EFFORT TO TRY TO GIN UP A CORRUPTION TRY TO GIN UP A CORRUPTION SCANDAL FOR JOE BIDEN IN SCANDAL FOR JOE BIDEN IN UKRAINE. UKRAINE. MR. PARNAS SAYS HE HELPED THEM MR. PARNAS SAYS HE HELPED THEM IN THAT EFFORT. IN THAT EFFORT. WE CONTACTED CONGRESSMAN NUNES’S WE CONTACTED CONGRESSMAN NUNES’S OFFICE FOR COMMENT TONIGHT. OFFICE FOR COMMENT TONIGHT. WE DID NOT RECEIVE ANY REPLY >> YOU RAISED THE ISSUE OF >> YOU RAISED THE ISSUE OF AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH TO AMBASSADOR YOVANOVITCH TO PRESIDENT TRUMP TELLING HIM THAT PRESIDENT TRUMP TELLING HIM THAT HE SHOULD GET RID OF HER? HE SHOULD GET RID OF HER? >> I DIDN’T SAY GET RID OF HER. >> I DIDN’T SAY GET RID OF HER. I TOLD HIM SHE’S BAD MOUTHING I TOLD HIM SHE’S BAD MOUTHING HIM. HIM. >> DO YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE HE >> DO YOU ACTUALLY BELIEVE HE DID BAD MOUTH HIM AND SAY BAD DID BAD MOUTH HIM AND SAY BAD THINGS ABOUT HIM, OR DO YOU THINGS ABOUT HIM, OR DO YOU THINK THIS WAS PART OF THIS THINK THIS WAS PART OF THIS DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN? DISINFORMATION CAMPAIGN? >> I DON’T BELIEVE IT. >> I DON’T BELIEVE IT. THAT’S WHY I WANT TO APOLOGIZE THAT’S WHY I WANT TO APOLOGIZE TO HER BECAUSE AT THAT POINT I TO HER BECAUSE AT THAT POINT I BELIEVED IT, BUT I DON’T BELIEVE BELIEVED IT, BUT I DON’T BELIEVE IT NOW AFTER RE-EVALUATING AND IT NOW AFTER RE-EVALUATING AND SEEING EVERYTHING THAT SEEING EVERYTHING THAT TRANSPIRED, LOOKING AT THE TRANSPIRED, LOOKING AT THE DOCUMENTATION AGAIN. DOCUMENTATION AGAIN. >> I DID NOT EXPECT THAT LEV >> I DID NOT EXPECT THAT LEV PARNAS WOULD WANTED TO USE THIS PARNAS WOULD WANTED TO USE THIS INTERVIEW TODAY TO APOLOGIZE TO INTERVIEW TODAY TO APOLOGIZE TO AMBASSADOR MARIE YOVANOVITCH FOR AMBASSADOR MARIE YOVANOVITCH FOR HIS ROLE IN THE EFFORT TO SMEAR HIS ROLE IN THE EFFORT TO SMEAR HER AND GET HER FIRED, BUT HE HER AND GET HER FIRED, BUT HE DID THAT. DID THAT. THE BROADER CONTEXT MR. PARNAS THE BROADER CONTEXT MR. PARNAS WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THERE IS WAS JUST TALKING ABOUT THERE IS WHAT HE SAYS WAS A PERSONAL WHAT HE SAYS WAS A PERSONAL INTERACTION HE HAD WITH INTERACTION HE HAD WITH PRESIDENT TRUMP IN WHICH HE SAYS PRESIDENT TRUMP IN WHICH HE SAYS HE WITNESSED PRESIDENT TRUMP HE WITNESSED PRESIDENT TRUMP PERSONALLY ORDERING THE FIRING PERSONALLY ORDERING THE FIRING OF MARIE YOVANOVITCH. OF MARIE YOVANOVITCH. WE WILL HAVE MORE ON THAT IN WE WILL HAVE MORE ON THAT IN PART TWO OF THE LEV PARNAS PART TWO OF THE LEV PARNAS INTERVIEW TOMORROW NIGHT. INTERVIEW TOMORROW NIGHT. WE’LL ALSO HAVE MORE FOR YOU WE’LL ALSO HAVE MORE FOR YOU TOMORROW NIGHT ON WHAT MR. TOMORROW NIGHT ON WHAT MR. PARNAS ALLEGED TODAY ABOUT PARNAS ALLEGED TODAY ABOUT FORMER ENERGY SECRETARY RICK FORMER ENERGY SECRETARY RICK PERRY AND CURRENT SECRETARY OF PERRY AND CURRENT SECRETARY OF STATE MIKE POMPEO. STATE MIKE POMPEO. WE’RE DOING A LITTLE MORE WE’RE DOING A LITTLE MORE REPORTING ON THOSE ALLEGATIONS REPORTING ON THOSE ALLEGATIONS AND CLAIMS, WE’RE LOOKING, IN AND CLAIMS, WE’RE LOOKING, IN FACT, AT SOME OF THE NEW FACT, AT SOME OF THE NEW INFORMATION THAT BOLSTERS MR. INFORMATION THAT BOLSTERS MR. PARNAS’S CASE WHICH WAS JUST PARNAS’S CASE WHICH WAS JUST RELEASED TONIGHT BY THE RELEASED TONIGHT BY THE INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE. INTELLIGENCE COMMITTEE. SO AGAIN, MORE ON THAT TOMORROW SO AGAIN, MORE ON THAT TOMORROW IN PART TWO OF THIS INTERVIEW. IN PART TWO OF THIS INTERVIEW. I DO JUST BEFORE I GO WANT TO I DO JUST BEFORE I GO WANT TO BRING YOU SOME NEWS WE JUST GOT BRING YOU SOME NEWS WE JUST GOT MOMENTS AGO WHILE WE HAVE BEEN MOMENTS AGO WHILE WE HAVE BEEN ON THE AIR TONIGHT IN THE PAST ON THE AIR TONIGHT IN THE PAST COUPLE OF MINUTES, WE GOT A COUPLE OF MINUTES, WE GOT A RESPONSE FROM FORMER NEW YORK RESPONSE FROM FORMER NEW YORK CITY MAYOR RUDY GIULIANI TO CITY MAYOR RUDY GIULIANI TO SOMETHING MR. PARNAS TOLD US IN SOMETHING MR. PARNAS TOLD US IN TODAY’S INTERVIEW. TODAY’S INTERVIEW. YOU SAW MR. PARNAS SAY ON THE YOU SAW MR. PARNAS SAY ON THE AIR GIULIANI HAD MADE AIR GIULIANI HAD MADE INTRODUCTIONS FOR HIM WITH INTRODUCTIONS FOR HIM WITH UKRAINE OFFICIALS IN WHICH HE UKRAINE OFFICIALS IN WHICH HE TOLD THE UKRAINIAN OFFICIALS TOLD THE UKRAINIAN OFFICIALS THAT MR. PARNAS SPOKE AS A THAT MR. PARNAS SPOKE AS A REPRESENTATIVE OF PRESIDENT REPRESENTATIVE OF PRESIDENT TRUMP. TRUMP. MR. GIULIANI DENIED TO US THAT MR. GIULIANI DENIED TO US THAT HE EVER DID THAT, ASKED WHETHER HE EVER DID THAT, ASKED WHETHER MR. PARNAS WAS SPEAKING ON MR. PARNAS WAS SPEAKING ON BEHALF OF THE PRESIDENT IN BEHALF OF THE PRESIDENT IN UKRAINE, MAYOR GIULIANI TOLD US UKRAINE, MAYOR GIULIANI TOLD US TONIGHT, QUOTE, NEVER. TONIGHT, QUOTE, NEVER. HE ALSO CALLED MR. PARNAS A,
