EX-ICE ADDICT LAWYER (Nigel Munt) - The Josh Wade Show #042

[Music] [Music] and I am with the Josh Wade show my name is Josh Wade thanks for joining us on today's episode we've got an amazing episode for you we're gonna be delving pretty deep into the world of drug addiction a lot of money and internet fame it's one hell of an interview if you want to support us out you can join our private Facebook group by donating to our patreon helps me pay off these microphones and the new TV that we've got we've got a new TV yep so I helped us out our patreon Commodore private livestream every week they're a really great group of people supportive you can ask questions whatever everyone's available to chat in there thank you to everyone that is helping us out right now Nigel Mundt welcome to the show okay Josh now we we met a couple of days ago well I've met you actually when we filmed the Jimmy Jackson Justin dry thing you're actually you know Justin and and a bunch of those boys that were our contacts to get Justin on the show which I get I still get so many questions about that episode so that was pretty cool yeah well there to see it but yeah you've got a very very interesting story right now you're in the midst of internet fame and you're sort of involved in Jackson Oh Dody who if you don't know is a I guess an online content creator entertainer who has a vlog channel right now and you're inside of that we've also got your own videos so there's sort of this community in Australia right now online that are doing pranks and you know pretty outrageous crazy [ __ ] and they're getting a shitload of views because of it yeah and I suppose you had a video that came out how long ago it was about three weeks ago three weeks ago it was a kid's verse dad yeah or which how many views all up to that on my page it's had about 19 million and um but we sold it to viral hog and they're managing the video elsewhere and I think it's probably it must be close to 100 million now elsewhere right so you put up this video pranking the kids pranking me yeah yeah it does look really staged I'll give you that yeah it's definitely not real but people [ __ ] fell for it like yeah yeah they watched I mean it's more views it's half of my entire you can't probably what that what that video got but your story goes back you know much much much further you were a lawyer I was and you were one of the owners of a massive law firm in Australia called shall be miss her lawyers yeah you sold that what year did you sell that 2009 we saw that Slater and Gordon yep yep and how much did that sell 57 million yeah so a lot of money and at the time you were going through a divorce there are a few things around you that were crumbling and you ended up in the myths of addiction to methamphetamine crystal meth so I suppose let's start back at the start you growing up where did you grow up I was born in Caboolture and when we were about when I was about 10 my mum and dad lived in culture basically their whole life and my dad bought a mum and dad bought a pub in the country and place called Broughton which is about 60 kilometres south of Gladstone and so we all moved up there when I was 10 which was an amazing place to live dad had the mum and dad had the little hotel there and we had motorbikes and guns and just used to run amok around the town and then we moved to rockhampton when I was about 13 and I did my first year of high school at Rockhampton grammar school and then mum and dad bought a news agency in Bald Hills in Brisbane and we moved down here when I was about 13 going on 14 and went to some pools which is where up until last year all my five kids go right right so you did you come from money I mean if you went to a grammar school or just parents worked hard and yeah well-off enough now well-off and like you know they they're very hard-working as kids we were always brought up around mum and dad's business so it was either the Powerball or the news agency that they had at in North Brisbane and so you know like we were we were comfortable but but not super happy yeah yeah yeah okay cool so when did you are you by the way notice on the vape now so it's he's got that [ __ ] [ __ ] smoker's cough or the how many years he'd been smoking thought I smoked for about I started spraying when I was like just finishing school yeah and I smoked up until my first daughter was born then I had about eight years off this is ciggies by the body's buggers I had about eight years off and then I I gave up drinking and then I got stuck I think sitting around not drinking I started smoking again and then I ended up smoking and drinking okay point is you've got a highway full of [ __ ] tar I had two and a half years off yeah again yep alright well good on you but we'll get into those the reasons for that in a moment but all right so you finished high school when did you decide that you wanted to study law my older brother is a barrister and so that helps yeah well my older brother is two years older than me but three years ahead of me in school and and he was working as an articled clerk for a law firm in the city an article clerk is like an apprentice lawyer they don't have the exact system anymore but back in the old days you could start straight out of school work for five years study at night while you went through through with your job do your Union you work together and then become a lawyer at the end of it so when my dad had the news agency one of the owners at Ruby misae used to come in there every afternoon and I got to know him because I'd come back from footy training or whatever and he knew my brother and he sort of asked my dad what I wanted to do on a finished school and one thing led to another and I got a job working there straight out of school right so did you have to go to university to study yeah I didn't yes so you're doing both at the same time you're working at the law firm and study yeah exactly right so how long is that how long was that degree five years five years right that's a long time it was yes and you know the thing with it was because I was working full-time in a law firm doing actual legal work the the Uni was just a complete hassle you know you just all I wanted to do is get get on with doing the job did you think do you think that working there helped you get through litigious fine University is like a struggle with the learning some too bad not too bad I was kind of always just got about a power yet I didn't find it that bad but I it was a big it was a massive workload to work full-time you used up all my holidays for studying Lord I do all my exams in my work holidays it was wasn't much of a life so you pretty much you you have a pretty [ __ ] broad understanding of the law yes yeah okay although my although for very early in the piece I started specializing in injury claims you know so all I've all I really know about is injury cases because that's pretty much the only law I've ever done right okay so you did that and then when did the you know you've finished a degree and you're a lawyer now yep when did buying into troublin truly miss all had added that even huh well basically what happened was there used to be a complete restriction on lawyers advertising in Queensland they weren't allowed to advertise at all I think all you could have was like a brass plate with your name on it and basically there was you know there was political pressure on lawyers to let their members advertise because of and it's really super boring but it's all about conveyancing you know buying and selling houses so what happened was the Lord under pressure from the a Triple C the Law Society let their members all their members advertise and so basically what happened was we were dabbling in injury claim at that time in injury claims at that time and then all of a sudden we were able to basically go carte blanche on however we wanted to advertise and truly miss oh and you know a lot to do with that we were one of the pioneers of advertising in injury work in Queensland and basically the results were phenomenal yeah and the and the business grew very quickly on the back of that yeah I suppose like I'm guess I'll get Connor in the Edit to throw up some of that cuz you've also we'll get into Logan law in a moment with yeah which was another one but some of the advertising there was very I suppose it was outrageous but at the same time it caught a lot of eyes and it worked and people know what it is now yeah for essentially what is a law firm that's in you know a suburban Brisbane Logan but anyway okay so you've you've done that now how long were you there and then mate I was I started there when I was 17 18 so I came to school he's down the coast here as soon as that was over I started working I worked until I was about 21 just running around doing real [ __ ] kicker stuff and then I got an opportunity to work on actual cases in the office from when I was about 21 and I kind of pushed into the injury stuff because I hated everything but the injury worked right so I really wanted to build that up so that I could just do that and then we did the we were the first law firm in Queensland to do TV advertising and typically leading up to that we might have got you know four or five cases a month we did TV advertising and never been done before and it was an absolute just it was like bombing a damn British you know it was unbelievable was true we miss her only injury or I don't know we weren't at that stage but as time went on and and and as the success of the injury stuff increased we went completely to injuries by the time we sold it it was 100% injury right [ __ ] can't [ __ ] look after him so that's basically know this alright accidents keep happening unfortunately what about the dark side to to lore and sort of the you know I know you mentioned that your brother was a barrister and you know there's there's obviously a lot of concerns that there's you know a lot of people like politics or I suppose any other industry at all there's people any but in each other's back pockets and you know you see you mentioned and like I said we'll get into this further but you were charged with the criminal offence in regards to your usage and I'm not sure was it distribution yeah you some supply of of ice you use you saying in quite a bit since we've interviewed you in another series which some of you guys will get to see later on but they were very lucky very very very very lucky to get out yeah I'm probably crossing the line asking this but [ __ ] it I'll ask it anyway do you think that has to do with the fact of who you were and the people that you knew I think probably if anything be well I mean if you go back and look at the cases being a lawyer makes it makes it harder there's okay because you know the business should have known better you know you're an officer of the court you're you know you're in the system and you should know better and look I think the main reason that I didn't go to jail well there are a few main reasons but but one of the one of them was that you know it was obvious that the conduct that I was involved in was really to do with being hopelessly lost in an addiction and just completely lost my way right and by the time so I got charged in August 2012 and I was dealt with in April 2015 so it was nearly it was two and a half three at three and half whatever years it was on being on bail and during that entire period I continued to practice law and in fact during the period that I was on bail we established Logan law and what are you using at all during that look or at least Apple door um I had a few relapses in the early pieces because basically you know I was I went from from using ice every single day effectively how often by the way um all day every day no not all day every day but because you know you'd have to sleep but occasionally but what I would do is you know typically I'd sort of you'd get to the point where you're so dependent on it if you don't have it you can't function so you'd get up you'd have a bit and then you'd get sort of the day out of the way then you'd have more when you got home because that was the the way that drug that's the way that drug works you know do you think I mean I'm not sure what exactly I mean most people would guess once you've sold shall we miss oh and you know you've split that up if you're sitting on a bit of money and you've already had a bit of money there yeah was did money ever become an issue when you were using no and and and that was a heart of the problem and that was the other reason why I didn't go to jail because even though I was convicted of trafficking it was obvious that like the judges comments yeah it wasn't like as if I ever went out and and tried to make money out of drugs it was there was somebody around us who was very actively trafficking or tired trying to traffic drugs and my offending was more sort of getting a bit too close to what he was doing rather than running my own myself I didn't need the money I just I mean the the crazy thing was that this particular guy got out of jail as soon as he's out of jail people are watching him yeah he's around us and you know I got caught up in the surveillance that was going on about him and I think and I've spoken to the to the police officer the main police officers name's Nigel he's become sort of a mate of mine he just said you know they just couldn't believe what they are seeing because you know here in the middle of it all you got me and I'm going out buying drugs bringing them home for my partner and I to use in amongst all of this surveillance that they're doing about Craig this this guy and and all of his mates so I sort of got caught up in that web of it is that a scary underbelly to be in yeah well there was some there was some real serious concerns about all of that you know this Craig guy that it's the father of basically my stepson yeah he's got a very nasty history of having committed some fairly atrocious violent offense there's a lot of bank robberies you know that guy I don't know but you know I you know and that was that was kind of that was kind of the way the irony of it all was was that I'd started a relationship with effectively with his ex he was finishing a very long jail sentence for a big import of drugs in the Northern Territory and he didn't know about me and then when he found out about me you know he was pissed off and you know there were threats made I was kind of you know the lawyer was gone in the ground I was going to be dead and blah blah blah and so I was genuinely quite concerned about it and as you [ __ ] probably she's yeah yeah yeah I started sleeping you know with a shotgun and blow over and then basically what happened was you know the irony I suppose of it was that my father went saw a police officer was a friend of my younger sister in Toowoomba and said this guy's getting out of jail you know we're sort of worried like what he might do dah dah dah dah dah and and they said well we can't serve all the bloke 24 hours a day which was kind of a little bit ironic because that's exactly what they did do so I think on reflection I was probably pretty safe because he was being watched the whole time what is your relationship with him now he described I gonna get killed for well I told you you're in real danger there don't [ __ ] with me like that I don't know if you know I smoked weed for two years I've got shining paranoia really I mean I get phone calls from him and you know I don't know it's how I hear that you just shared that information about him then I don't think you care no no all right well that's okay mmm you know it's not as long as how you feel that's yeah well [ __ ] me too but anyway that's a part of your story yeah you've got caught up in in that world yeah and obviously back to that that issue is that for you I guess your case was a little bit different to a lot of other people you've come from an area where you're serving the community with law and then you know you've made money you've sort of have this interesting position where a lot of people that are using ice don't have the money so they they've resort to other crimes which you know people that we've interviewed on the show before they've gone to petty petty crimes and robbing people and stuff like that to be able just to make enough money to get that next Ness hit so for you it's been a bit easier in terms to get on yeah well continue that addiction so I mean congratulations and hello how long have you been clean for well you know basically four and a half five year and a half five years I have you had any now before that because I understand and I've dealt with my own addictions before I guess we all we all have them in small scale a large scale but you know we spoke the other day and your mindset when you first started using it because your ex-partner was using it this yeah for a very long time and you you know in a world two worlds where you were trying to get that person to stop but also you felt like you were maybe enabling them you know when you're in those relationships where there are a lot of fights if she could not look at it it was really kind of cat it was really chaotic this is a mother of your children yeah yeah yeah yeah and and and look it's it's a constant battle and and it's it's a it's a journey that she's been on for a very long time and so you do that you know you sort of start out I'm gonna be you know I had absolutely no exposure to drugs prior to this relationship really because you know I hardly even hardly ever even smoke dope I didn't like it you know a pot or whatever called I didn't like it I made up for it with you know enormous drinking efforts but I just and so then basically what happened was you know you sort of find out that this person has it you know that this person in your life has a problem and then you set out to help it but it's very hard I feel for anybody who has close loved ones who struggle with with substance abuse because you know tough love do this do that do this do that it's all easy to say but it's very very hard to do well yeah and like we mentioned before in in the piece that we shot was and my question is how does a man that is experiencing their partner their soul mate the one they love the most the mother of their children see their wife going through hell physically mentally hell with a drug how do you then turn to that and then you know you mentioned that you thought that you were strong-willed enough and smart enough that you could not get addicted to something that is chemically addictive like yeah you were smarter than that yeah no I I look back on that and I can't believe that I you know it was what situation was the process how did you believe that had not a very not a very well thought out one I mean that's a pick it up one day yeah I did like I'd I'd been around it it had been it had been around me for years and years and years I'd actually paid for it I'd bought it but I'd never ever touched it and then there was one weekend and it was you know we it was when I was returning back into working so I had a farm out west a gimpy which was an hour and a half past gimpy so it's hell of a long way away and I was working down the Gold Coast I was working in Brisbane I was driving to the to the farm I was coming back to the Gold Coast then I'd get Farmar will there be a stack of work today was a full-on big proper working farm and one weekend I can remember just sort of thinking [ __ ] there's no way I'm gonna be able to work all weekend I'm so staffed and no amount of red bull is gonna do the trick and you know that was when I decided I'll just use a bit of speed for that night you know it's it's just in the house you know and then I was there was as simple as that it was that well thought out and then basically that is the stupidest [ __ ] thing I've ever heard of my yeah well that's true out happen and I thought but I'm only gonna use it this weekend so I gotta get this out of the way did you know how your [ __ ] did know how yeah I mean I miss I'm somebody I've been addicted to fishing mate I've been addicted to golf I can get you know I I get addicted to anything you know quickly so you know the the the stupidity of it still defy you no no it's no it's it's it it isn't that then it's not it's not stupidity it's this addictive nature that totally overrides any logical thought which is you know it's not stupid it's that's the I don't know the illness is of addiction I have an addictive personality to an extent where you know if I like a certain type of food yeah then I'll eat that food every night for dinner until I [ __ ] can't stand any more and then I'll move on to the next thing little little things like that so it seems like you had that on a larger scale and you know what will keep going on with the the addiction stuff but then you know that looks like where this this internet stuff has gone into because for a lot of people out there this is a very very bizarre thing for how I'll do now 47 47 so for 47 year-old man to go okay I'm going to be on Facebook making pranks and sketch videos and stuff like that now whether that be for your other business venture which we will talk about later regardless that's a that's an odd I think most people your age probably don't even understand still learning how the [ __ ] Facebook works yeah and you're on they're getting you know 19 million views yeah shaving your kids heads off as a prank right so that's this is where this whole story just becomes [ __ ] too weird not weird it's just fascinating and I think it's it's it's [ __ ] excellent so all right we're back on the thing you've taken speed for the first did you get much work on the farm time that I was awake mate anyone I had it and it was I think I had I came here I died so I had speed because it was in that there was a transitional period where you used to be able to get you used to be able to get old-style speed which doesn't have the that's one doesn't have that power that addictive power of pure shard crystal sort of stuff I'd heard that as well that there was a lot of people in the beginning people that I knew that were a bit older than what I was but more crystal meth was a thing like yeah it is today that a lot of people were taking it thinking that it was speed yeah yeah and it wasn't it was yeah it was yes so anyway so I think that really changed a lot for people because with the crystal came the you know the serious psychoses you know and things like that that go with it the the self harm from picking stuff like that and so basically I had it and my plan was I'll just have it for this weekend that I'm just going to stop because I know how dangerous it is you know and I and I it was it was quoted in court I had it I felt ten foot tall and bulletproof and I was like [ __ ] Ellen's this been going on you know and then I said I got to start all right when you say you feel ten foot tall and bulletproof what does that entail like you've you've taken the head I just feel your fire agree that out and then like when you started swallowed it and you just say so I just ingested it yeah but it just and I don't want to do an ad for ice but it and this is why the drug is so dangerous because it's so [ __ ] good yeah era one or anything yeah yeah it's so good and then and then you know when you first have it you know you've got you you know it was just an amazing feeling to be on it initially okay initially for the first few months or something and then but my plan was you know I'm gonna stop that weekend and then I'm gonna stop at the end of the week and look how maybe I'll just have a bit more but I've really got to stop and I'll stop next week and then I'm gonna stop at my birthday and then I'm gonna stop at the end of the financial year and I just never stopped right and how long did this go on for I was on it on pretty much daily basis from about November of 2011 until August 2012 so I can do stood into a short period I mean there are people out there obviously who've been using it for twenty year using speed then later ice for 20 odd years but I just had a short period of of use of it when did the side-effects start to come in and what were the side effects initially I think I said to the other day initially you know things were good like I was getting stacks of work done I was thinking clearly I could I had this unlimited energy and it's a bit like that limitless you know this amazing energy to do all these things and I was thinking fast and I could you know a lot of work I do would be dictate dictate dictate so I'd be dictating notes and and and was this the audience making you think this or could you actually go and I mean I reflected on IRA flecked Adhan work I did then and looked at it and it came up you know two years later where I'd done something and I knew that I'd done it when I was you know affected and it was not yeah okay so it was you know the thing with it is is that but then of course what happens is you sort of you know you did let's say you go up upper upper crest and then you get over the other side of it and then things just start getting out of control and and you know for instance you know you start sort of you know you've got you've gotta wake up at 8 o'clock and you wake up at 3 o'clock that afternoon falling asleep at the desk and what and when I was charged which was in the in August of 2012 I fairly soon after that I knew that the only way I was going to avoid jail and ever have a chance of making something of my life going forward because I really felt that I was at 100% suicidal at the time I knew that I needed to sort of not only clean up but I needed to demonstrate that I'd changed you know and so I started doing drug tests every week voluntarily and I'd go see this lady who I know really works I've been to her office about 200 times to do a drug test drug test drug test and at the start I was doing them every week and I was dabbling a little bit and then you know I knew I had it and then you couldn't rely on it to sort of prop you up because you couldn't prop up if you had to do a drug test to later and so what what ended up really helping me the most was that I voluntarily declared to the Law Society to the guys that I was working with in everyone else that I was going to do to it to tests a week and that meant there was just no chance she couldn't possibly sort of have a test then get on be clean for the next test I increase the test you know times yeah so that was sort of a motivation thing to you to you know I've got a test like a [ __ ] if I [ __ ] it up yeah then you know the rest is all useless but the real the real motivation for me to truly get better was I had a relapse period and my mum my mum was staying down with me in a house that I was renting with my kids and I relapsed and I relapsed with my ex-partner and I didn't come home you know she was expecting me home the night before and I never got home to sort of lunchtime I turned up look like I'd been hit by pet by the ice-truck or whatever you know and and that was kind of the okay here is your opportunity to keep us in your life if you don't do this we're gonna you know you won't ever see us again blah blah blah that was the real fool and that was the kind of the lowest of the low points that I got to because my mum and dad have just been amazingly supportive of me and I got to that point that was really the mental turning point for me and I just then I started seeing this saw a psychiatrist that I continued to see to this day now you see him every few months now to check in on him but him to check in on me and that was that low point and and and and that was what it took you know hey were you having any like schizophrenic episodes or episodes where you were seeing things or parents or imagining things and what were they yeah there is there's absolute truth to all of this sort of psychosis business around ice I didn't have a lot of it but I can remember you know you weird and it's funny because you know we sort of make jokes about you'll see somebody standing at the blinds and looking up the street and trying to work out whether that light that's up the street is that always like that is that like moved is that is that like there is it and you'd have these ongoing conversations about a street light that's been there the whole time but I've been in situations where I could hear people walking in the roof and i 100% could hear it now it may have been the police changing the surveillance stuff over or something no but you could hear voices and you could hear what they said it's as clear as a bell that they said it years no question it's it really plays tricks with you so but there's actually not one that there's no you see there's no when they're talking but you know it would kind of sense where you can hear exactly right I can hear so your brain is almost getting probably I don't know if this is probably like a scientific explanation for it but it may be getting things you've heard at a past time your brain somehow recorded and then they're replaying it your brains just shattered to pieces and it doesn't really know you're just smashing your brain yeah I mean it's so bad for you yeah and and and you know you you have extended periods without sleep which is bad enough for anybody I mean I know young in a young guys I know that that when you know over a week without sleeping two weeks without sleeping at all because of that [ __ ] well that that's alone is gonna cause you know schizophrenic thinking let alone you know a drug that'll also induce it so and can't imagine what's going through so when you said you went through that suicidal period sort of you know once it's all come crashing down yeah I don't know this is probably tough to talk about but I think it's an important subject as well you know I used to you said you really were considering taking your own life I mean I didn't actually sort of action it but you know it was laughs are we were you figuring out how you would do it here we go yeah I was sort of I think when you're at that low point in your life and I mean a lot of people have been there when you're at that low point in your life you do start thinking [ __ ] I wish I'd get hit by a bus or you know I wouldn't be good if you know this or that or like I should just go and you know stick a [ __ ] hose in the car or you know what I mean you've been right but I never I would never have done it I mean yeah it's just something that comes to your mind you're thinking about it but I don't know I don't think I was ever a serious risk of actually doing it what about the ones that do well yeah I mean it's impossible to know who does and who's going to and who isn't Gandhi I mean I had a young guy that I that I knew really well was great bloke and he took his life a few months ago and again it's sort of like every time it happens it's that be the last guy you'd think might do that yeah yeah well they're the ones that disguise at the best yeah do you ever have those periods now where you have not a do you notice any long-term effects is there is there any time where your you'll notice yourself get into that little bit of a paranoid state or something then you sort of snuffing out of it or I could remember you know you sort of when you your brain did you know your brains an amazing thing and your body's an amazing thing in its ability to recover and you know I know that it took me probably at least a year and I've spoken other young people that have that have kicked this drug and stayed off at long-term and I think you're still improving after a year you know you can you're still getting better it takes a long time to come good I look I don't know maybe I don't know whether I'm as crazy as I am because I was on that for that period of time I doubt it I think I've always been a bit mad but you know I don't think that there's any effect of it now for me and I think you know it's sort of as is it's as if it didn't happen there right so you kids as well like I mean you've you've been very lucky to you know I got to meet them the other day and you know they're smart intelligent you know they're but they've lived through a lot yeah I've seen their mom mother and their father lived through em you know crystal meth addiction I mean statistically and from what I've seen personally you know these are the kids that end up taking the the real grunt of the entire thing because I've seen it themselves and then they fall into it themselves and they haven't had parents that have been able to teach them coping mechanisms so then they just fall flat on their ass the older yeah so yeah yeah how how did they get through it and why do you think they're so saying now there's I've got five kids I mean I think you met you met the two little ones and you met my oldest yeah so I've got three three daughters with my first partner and and then a son and a daughter with my sec yes I the three older ones look it was really tough on them you know there was a fair bit of news coverage around my meteoric fall from grace you know there was articles in The Courier mile about you know gets this much money one day drug dealer the next you know and and it really it really was the story and I mean if you looked at it and you said well hang on this bloke sold his business here for all this money wasn't all my money but a third of it and then here we are eighteen months later he gets charged with this you know very serious offending what a greedy prick and you know there was a lot of sort of you know and that was the way that the story was portrayed how much is enough you greedy prick you know now you're gonna be a drug dealer or make money out of that and what's the truth all came out it was obvious that that was never ever I never had any intention or you know otherwise we'll go in jail I think but you know my daughter's yeah I'm amazed they got a lot of they gotta loves TV and a lot of kids you know at school googling me and I who's this and who's that and to my older daughters but you know I'm AM a I'm I'm amazed and immensely proud as to how they how they dealt with it and I think those particularly the three older ones it's it's really shaped who they are mmm their ability to deal with that and you know that's resilience you know have you apologized to them for putting them through formally but you know they yeah they know oh yeah actually it's a good question but I kind of I suppose you know no I never actually sat pay you embarrassed yeah I'm embarrassed about it but at the end of the day I but I'm also very open about it because I do think that I think that you know right now listening to this there's families and there's lots of people who are affected by what goes on and and and I would like to hope that if anything people say well [ __ ] you know you know you can sort of come out the other end and life can go on yeah yeah I know I mean if anyone's watching this now that have watched our last episode in regards to crystal meth with Sam did you see that one no no okay so yeah I did I watched it all you i watch all you do you really that's right I haven't seen one of your videos until after we interviewed you but anyway 90 million people might have seen it but I certainly wasn't one of them now it really hurt me so I had to come back with something [ __ ] cruel yeah we had Sam on and Sam had emailed us you know just sort of saying that he was running a business here in Fortitude Valley and everything was going good and he had a similar thing where he's working so much he started to use it because there are people around him the sudden use it those first few months killing it everything's going great and then it just all goes down the [ __ ] and and I didn't know at the time you know I thought that this was going to be a happy ending story and that you know he's being agile been to rehab now he's offered and you can do it too and we got to the very end and we found out that he'd only just walked left got kicked out of rehab about a week or two prior and he'd used again yeah a few days before the interview so that was sort of shocking and I think was shocking for a lot of people watching update on Sam I have got the chance to speak to him and he's he's doing a lot better now and I think he's out in the Northern Territory and I think for him from what I saw not a professional don't know anything but it was an environmental thing and it seemed like he needed to get totally out of his environment and his friendship groups and everything that were the influences on that but for you coming out of it I mean that first year that you're out of it or maybe even those first few months where you know since the last time you used obviously said you relapsed a couple of times but from that very very very last time anyway all right this is it now you know what is that like what are the symptoms that you're going through you're sweating in your sleep is it is it excruciation to that it's it's that's that's Seether as I understand it when it comes to methamphetamine there isn't a physical dependence like there is with cigarettes or with heroin okay so you know I know people that have that have that have gotten off heroin and you know apparently for more intent for all you understand it's the worst thing in the world yeah you don't have that I mean if somebody gets off ice what will happen is they'll go to sleep and sleep and sleep and sleep because you know he gets your body just says I thank Christ you know I'm getting a break you know so you just sleep for ages and I mean I think when I first really broke it I went up to my mom and dads and you know because a lot of things happen all at one time I sort of had these charges these life-changing charges that I thought were going to be basically the end for me and then I had you know all the embarrassment the public shaming in the paper having to tell my family who never knew it at any stage that I'd ever even touch the stuff they knew that it was around but they didn't know I was ever involved in it so it just was just like this perfect storm of [ __ ] that I just had to face all in one head and and you know and it's little things like that as to when you really appreciate what's the value is you know I had I was it happened just before school holidays and I had to sort of had to sort of deal with all that tape my kids we went up to my mom and dad's at Wamba and I just slept for four days and days and days and I was was the worst you know but it was so good to have their support you have all were you that's that 42 all right so that's a that's a big probably again that's part of that shitstorm but to rock up to mom and dad's place 42 going I'm [ __ ] like can you look after me again yeah I mean that was the worst thing because basically what happened was when the police came and raided my house was early on a Tuesday morning I had to go to court for somebody that morning I was supposed to be doing court case and you know there's 20 police cars in the front yard and the neighbor and you know and and the next-door neighbor one of the kids that live next door to us went to school with my daughters and it all got back and you know and and my dad came down from Toowoomba like what the hell thought somebody being killed at the place or whatever where's Nigel I and I he had to go to I was in I was in to watch house in the city getting processed and then it was like [ __ ] how do I tell these people you know what's going on when you're sitting there oh it was not special yeah yeah no it was like we I didn't know the the the the funny thing about the dog got arrested was that I thought that were there to take crack you know and and I've sort of thought our world kind of rki well that's the end of that run he's gone then sort of good is he staying there he was living there in the house with a massive big house and he was living down one end that so anyway how that happened is a whole nother story but yeah and and basically I was sitting there not the police you know give me a gay meals paperwork so I'm flicking through one big list of names all about a conspiracy to import this drug my name wasn't on it not through its sweet you know boom and then I'm sitting there and I didn't think I just thought oh well you know if to wait for these guys to leave then I can get going and then it was like oh no no no you're coming too and I'm but and are you getting charged you know and then I read another and now the other warrant heard my name on it for trafficking I thought my life was going to end you know it was a sickening feeling mm-hmm anyway so then we got back of in the back of the card into town got processed fingerprint swab puts in a cell wait to go up we had to get bile how much is that no it's no money bail was just own own own undertaking you know it depends like you know what you what your personal circumstances are and so forth right assets and ties to the community and it wasn't opposed and and then basically I was sort of that was and then that started this this this buddy period that went on and on and on and on of between then and when I finally ended up in the Supreme Court in April 2015 how does something like that end up in the Supreme Court that sounds pretty because it because I'm Gmail yeah because it was trafficking but so because I was charged at trafficking and it carries a 25 year sentence it's a Supreme Court so you have basic in the Supreme Court you typically have murder and big drug case ask me dude alright so you could have been locked up with a bunch of murderers and stuff like that if you were to go to jail for them yeah alright so and and you know okay well now I this is all this periods all over yep and now I mean Conor do are you able to bring up one of the videos I suppose let's do do you want to shoe the one on Facebook the one that got their 18 million views 90 not 99 19:08 joking yep on my channel kids the first one and the dad verse kids prank war yeah yeah yeah that one yeah that one 220 only a thousand on youtube so it starts off quite yeah just wetting the kids before school it's a beautiful acting here it is all acting yeah so why do you think [ __ ] are so [ __ ] gullible I find it amazing when people like oh this is staged you know and likes it [ __ ] like I know I've normally got somebody filming me all the time I mean what's that hot though yeah I mean that one didn't look staged but was it that wasn't staged that one got the most comments about that was all hope they picked up the cup which we did Fox now this one I'm thinking you're in a suit yeah which is unusual yeah yeah yeah that staged yeah oh that wasn't that wasn't did that hurt you didn't Oscar pull the clip your son needs an Oscar for this one blimey it's good though I thought it was a nice haircut [Laughter] how long do these hairs to hell hurt that are we cut the rest off yeah yeah you'd have to this is my favorite oh [ __ ] he's throwing a [ __ ] spit up yeah [ __ ] me did there's a beer on your table there yeah back in the drinking day I was drinking before Christmas oh that's right I stopped on hand idea yeah yeah so you said this is what we spoke about the other day so yeah you you were back on the drinking train again yeah yeah and that was just you mentioned the other day when we saw you for the first time that you know I haven't been you know I've been drinking I'm off drinking I haven't drunk all year and then it hit me I was like it's the tenth day of January I had how long were you offered before that two and a half years two and a half years and then what was such a single drop and then and then what what day did you touch it um the exact date but it's a mate you said before something about you know with Sam and it was you know people and and and in in the in the Narcotics Anonymous sort of yeah doctrine or vernacular or whatever you call it they they talk about people place things so it's you know it'll be it'll be something to do with you know the the people that we've trigger you to start again and look I even though I gave up to a knife use and I felt fantastic and and all of the rest of it I still never really consider myself an alcoholic but I think I was deluded I think clearly I am yeah and I sort of and and again it's a little bit like our so so for me I just completely stopped drinking altogether just decided one morning that's it I'm not ever gonna drink again and I went two and a half years without ever touching it and then I got to that period and and everything was going great and I felt great and the main reason that I would like that I choose not to drink is because it place if I can have it with my anxiety and my depression and stuff so if I don't drink I feel good all the time and you know serotonin like and yeah you know I got I drank [ __ ] had some wine on the weekend yeah with a friend and then I came in here on Sunday to do some work and you know that day I'm sitting there [ __ ] I'm on edge all day and yeah you know I'm sitting oh well it's because I [ __ ] yes you hit the Pierce and you know had a bunch of serotonin and dopamine [ __ ] you know having a great time and then all of a sudden I've woke up go on I'm depleted and I've got nothing in me so what what was it in December that you started again no no no it was a look I don't remember the exact date but I've been probably but I've been drinking I had been drinking for probably about six months all right okay so do you think because you've you've also been making or been involved in these internet videos in their last six months yeah yes during that period do you think it is beneficial to be hanging out with I suppose a bunch of young reckless people are doing reckless things jumping off bridges and you know obviously it's all for the videos and stuff like that but to be able to get the gusto to go and do something like that you have to be somewhat reckless anyway do you think that can maybe influence that behavior or in some way be detrimental I don't need it you know I mean some people but you do it you can't say you don't need it if you if you're putting yourself in that world what the drinking I just I just mean in general like you know these people have reckless behavior and the tendency for example you know like Jackson probably I think last year drank two or three times in the whole year no drugs two or three times drinking it's not a drinking culture nobody's also forcing himself to vomit on his friends and doing [ __ ] like that like or you know jumping on car whatever the [ __ ] crazy [ __ ] that he does and for videos and stuff like that but like I said whether it's drinking or not there's these people are throwing darts at one another and or you know do whatever the [ __ ] you want I'm like that I mean my attitude is like I did one video where I got really badly hurt what was that well it was about a panda was we just came up with a side yeah we just came up with this idea about me running around the streets in a panda head and Luke Irwin and car and ride and tackling me and it was just we caught it like it's not on there we caught it like shots on pain it was just Facebook your face still on there on Correns page it was just a stupid video yeah anyway and and we made that video and I got smashed and and I just sort of thought I'm not going to do videos where you have to get hurt to get like so I'm not gonna bother I don't need to know but I want to see it now no I just go on Google Caron KYR Oh in yeah dried and top maybe panda yeah yeah that's you in the nut with a panda head on oh yeah that's me in the panda head even a g-string noticed undies pulled oh so that's the Panda video and I just after that I hear this was this a bad one no that's a good tag to friends [ __ ] me so that looks painful that was that was the only painful video that I've that I've done and it was it didn't get a good result and I'm not gonna I just not gonna do that sort of stuff you know like that's okay yeah like do you think that they took advantage of you by not and I was still a bit of fun you know okay so anyway yeah obviously as you can see there's more there's a plethora of [ __ ] that you guys are doing these vlogs now yeah and you're part of this Jackson o Doherty's vlog series yep which yeah we'll have a look at one of them and then go into where you're going with that and and what you want to do with it but but it's very what what how would you what would you relate it to like jackass doodsen eh yeah jira look uh when when we first spoke about it what's the wildest one but do you think the one that lighting dad's head on fire but it's probably age restricted that's right yeah are you 18 I think so just go back oh I just I mean it's a lot you know there any about me to the tune of 5% so just just watch the silly salmon gone wrong one this is the this is the one they put up last night guys on for 10 minutes saying oh no I won't watch the whole thing but you did it yeah all right so you're involved in that now what do they want to do with this show they they want to sell it to network or um I think well see how it goes yes are they getting Connor that that one last night's had 90,000 views that's the most successful of the series yeah in a short amount of time yet and how many subscribes 29,000 1,700 and yeah what is it 1,700 we go to the comments I'm interest to see only 46 down votes it's at 1700 that's them that's been the biggest it's got a lot of comments because in the in the in the body of it Luke Irwin says you know where do you want us to come and do it next Jesus Christ that one clue but yeah okay so it's all so basic how you fit into this well the concept of the show is basically that it's a day in the life of Jackson O'Doherty his mates and so there's different people that are in different vlogs you know sometimes show me and Jackson all spent a lot of time together in our vlog then you won't see char me for a few vlogs then he'll be back in Luke will come in and and basically I'm just I just play like this old guy in it you know and and and people sort of seem to like that there's this random old guy who Jackson calls his dad and you know we've done some videos together and there's a lot more videos that he and I have done together that are coming out and so I just enjoy being part of it there's something that creeps me out about it though in what way the dad's son [ __ ] weird [ __ ] this is just something that I think made kind of a grave watch before we go there's just something [ __ ] oh I don't know not my cup of tea you know that video that we put up is it meant to be like sexual what like weed Lee sexual what that Jackson and I have a mystery yeah no different so that's just real person that's really I'm the do you think so or the sex tape will be out on [ __ ] Jackson's blog so I [ __ ] my dad and said he's here on fire not silly sermons yeah yeah silly salmon with dad fishy so anyway so that's where you going with that now you're also doing your own stuff you've got what a hundred thousand followers on your Facebook page yeah 100 years yep now are they are they actually a hundred thousand followers yeah there's 110 110 yeah you actually got that or is that a page that you got from somewhere else no no that's my page that's your page yeah yeah and it started on 0 yeah it started when I put the dad V kid prank video up at a 10,000 followers and it went to about hundred thousand one 110 in all right yeah okay well good on my Australia's my twelfth biggest country what's the number one Mexico Mexico yeah English I think English is my fourth biggest like there that video was reasonably successful in Australia but it went in Latin America they do they do like I noticed with a lot of these prank style videos and stuff that Jackson sharmee and all these people are doing they're accessible to anyone from anywhere and I know that a lot of their strategy as well as to not include as much you're not not include the English language enough that you need to rely on it to understand the video if you get what I mean so a lot of it will be playful music in the background those sort of sketch type things you've also done sketches with Jackson and so forth at so it's not just the pranks it's the sketches yeah but it's this whole world that you're now involved in yeah that you know I've probably done a [ __ ] extremely lackluster job of trying to show it on video and and whatnot but it's a it's a very broad thing so when did you decide that you were going to go and make videos and make a Facebook page like yeah into that well up until it all sort of started out when we started Logan Law which was about August 2014 so in the you know with with this court case looming large like I'd lost my job I'd been in the press I was getting bad press I was working for a mate of mine that didn't work out because it was just you know he was it was just just became it too embarrassing to employ basically yeah and and then what happened was I we started Logan Law a young friend of mine and I we started that business we started it from nothing and and the only way that we were really able to get any sort of reach or create any sort of impact into into the marketing was through Facebook and the thing that had changed between when I left like when I left truly miss so the Facebook and social media really didn't play any part in what we did marketing was in those days you know television still was king but television and and and phone books believe it or not you know we were spending a million dollars a year on telephone books and I don't mean inside them I mean on the covers of them you know it was crazy I didn't think you'd find a phone book now but anyway though you can and they're still making a shitload of some dude just wild just beside story but yes some dude that still runs his business selling these phone books believe it or not there's still 60 and 70 year olds that aren't yeah dead yet they're looking for their boy want to use it and there's companies out there that still benefit from from it so yes I went when Logan Logan Lord really sort of started because a couple of mates of mine and I started a little Facebook group and it was really done just to get reach so we could sort of find claims to find accident cases and stuff like that and then it sort of evolved from that into into a into a very small business and then it grew from there and it was very much driven by Facebook and Facebook network and and all of that and then we started sort of building and building a building and we decided that we wanted to be you know the premier Facebook legal firm and I think we achieved that and then I met sharmee through a charity that I was involved in and through Charmy I met Jacob his sort of camera guy that it was working with and then and then he and I made videos for Logan law which were the sort of living large and loge and cruise around the streets meeting people handing out t-shirts videoing some funny in game you know engagements with the people and all their estimate no very popular and successful and I just sort of got the taste for it and and then I sort of did a video that I did a video which we called Logan's Got Talent do you have the old factor and we got and on and that was the time I met Justin Ryan and I'd never even heard of Justin Ryan and Jacob said I've got this kid I'm gonna bring along as a special guest he can he can perform at special guest or a special he can perform it at the show for us you know and he came along and then we put it up on Facebook and it went just nuts it went crazy cuz we're he's back and you know I didn't like I said I'd not met him and I didn't know much about him and I've since become friends with Joe with Justin through that and I've stayed in contact with him met Jamie zoo met Karen met Jackson and we just sort of hit it off not you know like you're suggesting but just as mates father-son sort of stuff and and and anyway and Hey oh nothing I wanted to kill myself but anyway and then and and I went down to watch car and fight in November last year in in Newcastle yeah Matt Jackson and he said ah do you want to be in this vlog series with us and I said yeah right I sweet so next thing I know I'm sort of in the vlog series we're making videos together and where we go and now you're in the mix of this world now yeah I said there's a there's a community of them and yeah they're getting a lot of views and I think the update there I think the the interesting thing about how these videos work and why they go so viral as well and I don't think many people understand how it actually works behind the scenes because it's not as simple as Josh or Jackson uploads a video to his page and it's on his page only and then oh look it just goes so viral from his page like there's people out there that run lots of pages and they're able to seed it through their own networks and they seed it through each other and you can cross promote and cross post videos to make it look like you're posting it but it originally goes back to you know I'm guessing that's probably what's happened with the the kid prank war thing as it's been seated out through a bunch of other pages and those views have been ticked up as well because you know that one was pretty much just as it was like I shared it into a couple of groups yeah Jackson didn't share it I didn't ask him to but you know it was not really his yeah yeah but but I mean there's there's a community of others different and that's great mmm that's the smart way to go about it yeah you can piss and moan about you know you're not getting enough views or whatever but that's the game that's how it works but it is interesting that that it exists and it's not as black and white as what people assume it to be yeah so going forward you know aspirations for the future and what maybe the next 12 months holds for you yeah in regards to this internet world yeah what would you like that to be I'm I'm sort of starting I'm really trying of setting up a business where I've and place injured people throughout the whole country typically I've only ever focused on Queensland so somebody comes to me Nigel you know was in a car accident boom put them put them into Logan law put them into a law firm whatever the case may be what I'm looking to do now is to basically build a network through the whole country where you know through the route through the reach that we have to the people that we have through my you know through my channels Cara and Jackson it said for etc you know I want to sort of reach a lot of people and help people that have had you know accidents that they might otherwise not claim for to get in touch with a good lawyer you know use a bit of collective bargaining so that I make sure that they get looked after properly and that's the new business and and look I'm gonna stay involved in the Jackson totality vlogs because you know I think the way that it started for the first eight episodes and the amount of reach and and and and the support that it's getting as a brand brand new page who knows where it'll take us yeah that's probably and we're going to increase the the frequency of those vlogs at the moment there's two a week we'll probably soon we'll go to three maybe four maybe five a week yeah and you know I'd love to be a part of that going forward still you know we've got a lot of plans about we'll go and do this we're going to do that will travel here will travel there will do this will do that from my own perspective I want to still sort of make some videos just so that I build my own personal following but it's not really life or death you know I haven't put another video out for a while and I'm not sort of you know getting getting all getting all anxious about it you know I you know I get asked to do some videos with the boys and things like that which I'll still do so that's kind of where I'm at with it all yeah yeah and you know you mentioned the other day which I find quite interesting as well is that you know you're not sure if this is maybe just one of your other addictive things where you know you did say that you're really into it now you love what you're doing and you could go on but there there is that possibility that one morning you'll just wake up and go alright couldn't be [ __ ] now so you'll find that or something else will come along and you'll go oh you know your shiny new prize let's go play once oh yeah Nigel what time are we on Conor yeah so Nigel you've had a hell of a story and we've only been able to sort of delve into it just enough but I mean there's gonna be a lot of people that I think are gonna take a lot out of the the story between your addiction and your success and then I suppose the internet stuff is just these weird little fun thing that's right in the middle of your crazy [ __ ] live dressing up in a [ __ ] you know hand a hand ahead with you knickers [ __ ] wrapped up around your [ __ ] but it's it's a hell of a life I'm sure there's gonna be another one of these in 10 years time another interview where you'll have even more to share but but I'm sure people will take something from that journey and and I suppose that there is a light at the end of the tunnel for you know that crystal meth addiction as such and is it something that you still fight with every day waking up just a fiction in general yeah addiction 100% yeah but I look one thing I'd like to say is you know I I do I have been approached because as my sort of profile has increased and people you know and I don't make any secrets about yet my history you know I've helped I've you know I've sort of helped families and try to sort of be there and I'd like to continue to do that yeah you know my goal is obviously I need to to feed the 11 kids or whatever it is that I've got but I so you know I need to have a day job and that's the the business with the claims I want to do the the social media stuff but another area that I have a lot of interest in and I've had conversations with qna da which is the Queensland network of alcohol and drug associations I'd like to do some work with them you know about awareness and I'm going to do a bit of public speaking and then I really would like to make that you know something that I stay involved with yeah and use the profile for that I think you know I guess just from my clinical assessment of you would be that you you know you're very smart you've done a lot of things I think you're obviously you know the internet stuff is we all have an ego of some sort um you know [ __ ] got a show called the Josh Wade show so it doesn't get more [ __ ] sucker my and [ __ ] than that but you know you you were also someone that needs for you to live and feel good you feel fuel that ego and whether that's being in vlogs or doing your own videos and stuff like that you like that mm I feel like you getting involved in something like that will be able to maybe feed ya two things by doing the public speaking and taking a more serious role but still getting that the gags the gags and and you know for me personally and I don't know if you'll you know you might discover this in your time because you know you're only new to this world yeah you know after a year or two you may find that you know people saying oh this is funny or you're a funny [ __ ] really might just seem like I get it now you know you may just not feel the void anymore yeah and for me personally this show and getting to have conversation with people like you and people taking value from that yeah is what is filling the void for me now so you may find that in something else or keep doing what you're doing but either way thank you so much for being so open and coming on the show and not avoiding anything it's great for me because I get to be I get to ask whatever yeah and I get to challenge some of your opinions and I don't have to feel like a [ __ ] [ __ ] about doing it either because you you're able to answer it so Nigel man on Facebook what is it Nigel man oh one face matters n IG LM u & n IG LM u NT no space no space and no facebook.com/ slash that Instagram Nigel underscore Mont yep and yes no Ted Norman tin og LMU into yeah yeah Toni and yeah you're on just type in Nigel man on Google you'll oh don't do yeah yeah anyway Nigel thanks for so good on you say you [ __ ] is next week cheers buddy

Channel: JOSH WADE

Views: 83,696

Rating: 4.8816566 out of 5

Keywords: Josh Wade, Josh Wade Podcast, The Josh Wade Show, Australian, Comedian, Aussie, Politics, Spirituality, Religion, Podcast, Joe Rogan, Nigel Munt, Jackson O'Doherty, Silly Salmon, Pranks, Dad Vs Kid, Jackson O'Doherty Vlogs, Jamie Zhu, Shammi

Id: TH8TXW6pn7w

Length: 68min 19sec (4099 seconds)

Published: Sat Jan 20 2018