EX-ARBONNE 6-FIGURE EARNER TELLS ALL | ANTI-MLM INTERVIEW WITH JANE DOE

welcome back to my channel today's interview is with an ex our bond rep who earned six figures and was at the top and walked away from all of it in his interview you will hear me refer to her as Jane Doe and you will find out why if you're not familiar with our bond allow me to give you a brief rundown our bond has been around since the 1980s and claims to be a certified organic company with skincare protein shakes health supplements makeup and more I remember meeting my first urban lady back in junior high at the time of this recording I'm 33 years old so that would have been quite some time ago and I never heard much about our bond again within the multi-level marketing industry it seemed that our bond faded into the background in fact as you'll see by this video from their conference in 2010 our bond didn't seem as hip as some other companies but something else happened in 2010 according to the website MLM - the whole truth com Marvin's parent company natural products Group LLC filed for chapter 11 bankruptcy in order to reduce company debts because our bond was allegedly upside down by more than 500 million dollars in 2009 our bond had 286 million in assets and 518 billion in liabilities so after filing for bankruptcy did our bond refund sellers and shut down not a chance instead our bond rebranded suddenly their website and conferences were appealing more to Millennials and their so-called white parties are all the rage and you just have to work your business and grow your team so you can be there next year too our bond is also known for giving their distributors of brand new Mercedes but it must be white it must be leased in your name it must have the our bond logo in three different places on the car and if you don't meet your quota well then the payment falls on you our mom loves to throw fancy parties and hire self-proclaimed self-help gurus like Rachel Hollis shown here at our bonds 2019 conference and what I'm about to show you I want you to pay attention how Rachel Hollis puts words in an our bond distributors mouth and then tells her that if her sister doesn't want to support her and her business then she should stop interacting with her sister [Applause] [Music] having been in the top 1% in three different network marketing companies myself over a span of nearly six years I can attest to the fact that not all that glitters is gold once the shine wears off sometimes it really just looks like a lot of stressful company policies drama broken promises and some brainwashing mixed in in today's episode I interviewed Jane Doe she joined our bond after losing 70 pounds and it quickly became a six-figure earner she earned the rank of area manager built a team attended fancy parties and received awards and was even featured in our bonds catalog Jane Doe is super close to our bonds prestigious rank of vice president before walking away from all of it she had an upline who was never around to help her unless there was a camera to document it and although when she joined the company she was told by her upline that she was giving her a special discount for signing with her Jane Doe learned later it was actually just a discount given by the company to all its distributors but that's the least of what made her walk away and you're about to find out what did although our bond threatened her with a lawsuit Jane Doe has decided not to be the good girl and speak out this is her story as told to me so hello my Jane Doe hello and for everybody who is watching Jane Doe is what we are calling this lovely X our bond rep who is kind enough to speak with us and share her insider world of what happened to her on her MLM journey and she is still under contract so why don't you tell us before you dive in Jane Doe about how you got started with our bond tell us why I have to refer to you as Jane Doe so for those of you watching gosh you guys this just feels so surreal I remember exactly when I decided to leave our bond and I was so scared because I thought I was the only person who dealt with things like this and after seeing so many people come out I just knew it was my time to share my story but little funny thing is I really can't say Who I am right now I can't say much about myself because yeah I mean I don't want to bring out any legal action but for those of you who don't know me I'm not gonna toot my own horn but I was a pretty big deal in our bond I was actually a brand ambassador in our bond they sent me products before anybody else knew who before they even launched and so when I left when I decided to leave our bond I guess they saw that I was a big threat and they didn't want me to I guess tell my story to the world and so I have a year to say exactly who I am but I can't say my name just yet because like ships I'm under contract and so yeah I don't know that I'm to your question ya know and it's it's so crazy because you didn't come out the gate when you left our bond speaking out about the company or anything like that but even with what I've seen and like you said you're like I don't know if I'm a big deal or what everybody know you are a big deal and it's it's good to see from the people who have been a higher up behind the scenes because this is what people need to see because a lot of pro MLM errs like to say oh all those anti MLM errs they failed another bidder and that's why they're doing it a MLM and that's not the truth people like us who have seen behind the scenes we're like oh my gosh no it's like peeking behind the crazy yeah it's crazy because we I used to say that whenever somebody would leave I was like oh their vision isn't big enough oh they just didn't try hard enough oh if they just went ahead and did personal growth you guys I was the person who never missed a zoom call I was a person who never missed a big event in Vegas I was a person who was leading from the front I was running trainings I was one of the people who walked the stage I was walking the walk talking to talk being the product of the product I was everything and so yeah it's not that we didn't try hard enough it's a simple fact that I guess we were we weren't as hypnotized as everyone else was and yeah and it's written for people like us I feel like we get to a point where we're like the money's just not worth it when you're when you feel like you're recruiting to fail and you feel the pressure from these companies and it's crazy to me that they put this contract on you when you quit as a 1099 worker which is interesting I don't even know if that's a really a legal thing they can do but I'm not an attorney but I witness being up where I was even though I wasn't like at the very very top a lot my up lines were and I saw people getting sued and then just like knowing people in the industry who have been way way up at the very top of the pyramid the pyramid I've seen them switched to another company and then their former MLM sues them and it's shocking like it's so dirty it's so corrupt and this is what they hide from everybody I mean it's just disgusting so you are under contract that's all you are our Jane Doe today but I can't wait till you can speak out and tell us how you got started like what drew you in because I remember you were saying like that when we talked before that you were a li didn't want anything to do with it so tell us how you got started I love that question and so I actually got started when I was 18 and so I remember just feeling like I had no idea what it what I wanted to do with my life and seeing that my dad cones a restaurant he had you know the freedom to do what he wanted he loved his job and so at that point in my life I knew that I wanted to be self-employed that's what I knew I wanted to do that but I 18 it's really hard to be self-employed unless you have you know a lot of income coming in and so for me I had no idea what I wanted to do and at that point in my life the only thing that I knew is that I wanted to work on myself I knew that if I could love myself first that it would've been easy to pick a career and love on other people that way and so I remember I was 18 and at that point I was super stressed out all of my friends were going to college and I felt like my life was just out of stand still I started gaining a lot of weight and so I'm five to you guys and so I like to joke around say I'm a [ __ ] because I really am and I was 215 and so at that point I knew that I wanted to start a weight loss journey but I wanted to stick to my weight loss story and I wanted to fall in love with my weight loss journey and that's when I saw a video a lot of people know who she is if you look on Twitter you search of Arbonne probably gonna find her video but she went through a really big weight loss and I remember at that point when I saw that video I said if she can do it I can do it and that's a lot of things MLMs do she can do it I can do it and so I remember just thinking that if she can do it I can do it so I reached out to her and I started my first 30 days a healthy living and within six months I lost 70 pounds I started lifting I started you know I now I lift really heavy I work out five days a week I love the gym and that's my outlet this time in my fitness journey I'm doing it for myself and so at that point every time that she would just see that I would lose more and more and more weight my sponsor upline whatever you want to call it should we be like you really don't look into this business like you love the products why don't you just sign up and I would always say I'm sorry I just don't want to be one of those Mary Kay ladies I I I don't want to do this sorry I'm not one of those people that bugs people and she was just really persistent I'll give her that and the last month I was like what the heck let me go ahead and just listen to what she wants to say she promised me half off a whole entire kit which now that I know it's your consulting price which is not even giving you a discount she was making she was manipulating that discount they already get to make it seem like she was giving you something special yeah exactly so when I heard that you know when you're 18 you're like oh my god I don't have a lot of money yes heck yes so we decided to meet up out of Starbucks and for me knowing that I wanted to be self-employed I thought this was my way to be self-employed and for the first time in her life I felt like I had a purpose and I felt like I was on fire for the first time so I started my business and within seven days I reached the first level of management within the next week and a half I went ahead and qualified for the second level and from there it was just it was just like a rocket ship and for me I loved it for the first year but with that with being a leader quote-unquote it came with so much responsibility and being under 18 I feel like I was talking to my boyfriend bought this every day and I and I say that basically they took away my early 20s I wasn't able to experience what most 20 21 22 year-olds experienced I wasn't able to go out and have fun I wasn't able to be a normal you know not teenager but a normal like Idol I guess you can say because I was so focused on an end goal that was never gonna be reached and let me guess there was probably a mission that she used also to lure you it would like some was it some kind of like we're helping people we're making the world a better place I feel like I moms always have a mission that they hide by as to help like manipulate people yes so she would always so one thing that her and I had a common ground was is that we both came from a really big weight loss and later coming into my Arbonne journey I found out that she didn't lose all her weight through our bond she lost weight through doing other things so I thought initially when I was coming into our bond that her and I had the common ground of helping women feel empowered and beautiful helping women feel like you know once that weight is off that they they feel like they're unstoppable and that's one of the reasons why I decided to say yes because once I lost all of that weight there was just something that switched in me I just felt so much confident so happier and I knew that if I felt this way but I wanted to help other women feel that way but looking back now there are so many other ways that you can help women feel empowered and there's so many other ways that you can help you know 1819 college students you know 35 45 year olds feel empowered without an MLM yeah and that's that's the thing is like it really does start out so innocently you think that you're getting in because you just love feeling a certain way you love the product and you want to help other people experience these great feelings you're feeling and you said you know it's great for you for about of the first year that's how it was for me for the first two two-and-a-half years it was great for me and then I started to like see things so when did it start turning when did the tides start turning when did you get in a little deeper where you're like hold up like cuz you grew fast I remember you telling me that by like your third month you were already making six figures that correct yes so after three years to do like that's absolutely crazy that you were able to do that in three months I I can't imagine how overwhelmed you felt not that the money wasn't great but I'm sure you felt very overwhelmed gosh yes I remember just having different people asked me how did you do it how did you do it like putting me on a pedestal and I think for me at that point when people started putting on a pedestal and when the higher-ups that were on the pedestal they felt like they were just so grand about themselves that's when it hit me and I guess I can back up and say hit me within six months let me just tell you six months but for me being that I was considered a leader I was considered a pace runner and I was considered somebody who paved the way for other people I felt like I had to be a certain person around everybody and I felt like once I got in the room back in my hata like just get super giggly and get super excited and I remember just it hit me especially when one day my sponsor and I we were having breakfast and it was weird because her and I wouldn't talk for like a whole month and then she would randomly asked me to breakfast to see how I was doing she didn't really help me build my business but anyway and like we before you get into this RT interrupt you before you get in about the lunch I just want people to understand because I got a bunch of comments on my first video about why I left the industry and there were so many people who are like I don't know why people fall for these things or like I don't understand how they stay in it well there's a lot of thought programming and undue influence that they use like cults do in fact like professionals licensed therapists call these commercial cults and what you said about like your upline being like super famous and you being looked at and like put on a pedestal that is not abnormal the top the very very top people are looked at like that I remember going to my first annual conference that the my first company put on and my upline who was like the number one person that year she had a line of people that was probably a mile long and she stood there for hours just so each person could take a photo shoot with her now before she was in that MLM and successful she was a bartender so you really do gain this like celebrity status within and everyone wants a because they're told like oh once you get here everything's going to be better so people keep just working themselves to death thinking that day two can get there how that person did when 99 percent failed according to the FTC and so I just want told you realize like it really like these people are celebrated they are made to look like gods and idols within these companies gosh yep and that's exactly where I was everyone was always showering me with gifts they wanted to take pictures of me they knew me as the girl who lost weight they knew me as the girl who went ahead and reached area manager within like 15 days like they knew me is that and in the inside I was like but you don't understand but anyway so you went to lunch yeah I went to lunch with her and I'm gonna tell you two different stories on what I kind of like was like okay this is like this kind of seems like unattainable or like weird so the first thing I went to lunch with her and I guess we're just strategizing and I remember asking her a question like man like um how are you doing it like like how how are you building to the next level and one thing that kind of like really looks shook me she was like honey it's been a week somebody isn't making you money do you want to go ahead and just check them off your list and go to the next person and that to me broke my heart because when somebody is wanting to be an entrepreneurial work for themselves or do anything start a business they need a mentor and any guidance and that for me was like wow so I thought to myself I didn't make him any within the first thing would you have just like me and it was just really weird because I I gain I guess you could say Fame but it was just weird because I saw who who she was the high machines the second instance where everything kind of like was WOW to me was I remember sitting one time with some top leaders as well and I asked them you know what does it look like now for you and they told me well it's not easy we're struggling it's super hard to just even keep our maintenance it's super hard to even like get this number every single month so the higher you get up it's actually gonna get harder so that to me it was when I was just like this is what I have to look forward to I'm like wow wow wow mmm that is so tough yeah and I I saw that with my first upline words you could not even get you know her to even acknowledge you in a comment not even like a like or something I one of her posts unless you were hitting your quota and hitting it religiously like others she would not acknowledge you and that dot process that your upline had that's pushed by these MLMs because in MLM you have to have such a flood of people coming in at all times because the attrition rate is so high like when so many people come in so many more people leave so you're constantly trying to build this house on sand you have no firm foundation and so you have to keep building people in so that mindset that's like oh well if they're not making money then you need to get on to the next person that is absolutely how it is and it's it's horrible and if it's not like that like I had an upline who would help everyone and she would work with everyone she was so overwhelmed because she had to keep bringing so many people in to make money she was so overwhelming she got incredibly sick I mean really I was me I am that leader I was that leader so I remember when I would just see her behavior it was almost like I had a FOMO it was almost like I needed to do so well for her to even notice me and it was it was sad because I was actually number two in the entire company who brought in the most business partners and consultants and clients number two carbon gave me a $4,000 reign as a thank you and I walked the stage in front of thousands of people and even then not a single congratulations on a single thank you and I remember just being that way and saying Maya plane is gonna be that way I'm gonna be opposite and I'm gonna love on my team and I was so overwhelmed I remember I just got so stressed and I got a fever of a hundred and seven like in December and I was so stressed I had an anxiety attack and it was just like the weight on my shoulders if I told somebody no I was just gonna disappoint somebody whereas if she told somebody no oh you're off the hook girl you're so busy so yeah see and that's I mean that's the thing I hear people say a lot of times especially in the comments oh that's horrible you went through that but my MLM is different and I'm like no honey I've been in three I've been in the top of three they're all the same way I'll use the same tactics it doesn't matter it might be a different compensation plan whether it's you unilevel or binary it might be different products but the tactics are the same and when you said like the anxiety attack I remember I've had three panic attacks in my life first one was when I was going through a divorce very stressful divorce over a decade ago the second one was when there was a death of a friend and the third one was in an MLM and that's when I was like I have to it was my last MLM and I was like this is not worth it this is so stressful this is not worth it so what were some of the things like when did it start to change for you where you were just like I don't think I can do this anymore like I need to leave like what sir happening there so for me um after winning a lot of trips I guess every time I would go on a trip that I won to me it would ignite my fire and I would tell myself maybe I'm the crazy one who's losing my momentum or maybe it's me maybe I had to be a better leader but it wasn't until my boyfriend I want to pause to you right there sorry to interrupt again but what you just said about the trips and that it would reignite your fire Leah Remini said the same thing in Scientology and the aftermath when she was saying I started having doubts about the church and about Scientology and then I would go to the church to these big events and they would show us all these videos of how they were changing the world and all the good they were doing and she thought maybe I'm crazy maybe it's just me like look at how much good we're doing like how could I not want to be a part of this and those trips that you're talking about I've been on those trips and I don't know about you but in all the companies I was a part of you don't get breaks on those trips they don't leave any room for you to just go hang out and relax like you or you'll you'll be missing something if you do that like they have conference after conference after event after event after a workshop after workshop to keep indoctrinated you so that you think like yes I need to stay like yes this is how it's supposed to be is that how it was on those trips for you yes so there was two different trips that would always ignite my fire so the first trip was the company trip that you're talking about you would go to Vegas you would dress up super cute take super cute pictures share the world like this is what I'm doing create that FOMO for the world get training after training up training I remember there was like specific training I had to go to since I was at leader dinners because you want awards things like that so you feel like the other trips were the trips that you won so the free trip that they're talking about those trips where you get cooked off for cocktail or you can just massage just for free where you can get hair done for free like those were the trips where I was like this is what I love I love relaxing maybe I'm being crazy because if I leave I won't get this but when everything hit me was when my boyfriend was actually hospitalized he was hospitalized for about a week he lost seven pounds I'm like I think three or four days he was very very pale and I remember thinking I built an organization so big that I could take time off right and I remember just feeling because I wasn't in a team call or feeling because I didn't show up really because I didn't have a coffee date or feeling because I didn't have a call that day that I was letting my uplines down and it was never directly said but there was there was just a feeling and attention that you can feel but because you are not showing up to your business you're failing them and it hurt me so much because that was an emergency where I had to just leave and I couldn't be on every team call that week and I couldn't you know prospect the way that I wanted a prospect I couldn't go and accommodate sit down at Starbucks and share the opportunity I couldn't do that because my main priority was my boyfriend at that time and that's when they literally sucked that sounds like I don't think I can do this anymore but I went ahead and was still involved with it and in it for a year because I was terrified of what my outside life would look like if I decided to stop and if my income was no longer gonna be there absolutely you get used to that income and and you're also indoctrinated into this world where it's like don't stop you're almost to that level you're almost a financial freedom you're almost to where you can relax there's never a point you can relax sure you can take time off and the money will keep flowing in but like you said even if it wasn't said directly to you that no you should not take time off even though your boyfriend's at the hospital it's implied and it's implied because what's rewarded is the behavior that will be repeated and when somebody takes time off even out of sickness that is never rewarded ever it's always the go go go burn yourself out hustle till you die mentality that is rewarded nope exactly but yeah you look just pinned it that's true and so what happened after like that you said you stayed for a year so I'm assuming your boyfriend got better what else did you see behind the scenes that you were like I don't want to be a part of this or I don't think this is for me or so for me it was a lot of the things lower consult didn't see it was a lot of things like how to train your team it was a lot of things like what to tell your team when they're feeling this way it was a lot of training and at that point I felt like oh my gosh are we like getting manipulated ourselves to manipulate our team and at that point I was like I know I can't do this and a lot of people from the down in the pyramid I guess you can say they would look at us and say oh my gosh I'll have so much fun you're always going to dinner - always taking pictures I want to be where you're at and it was just so funny because I could never say oh my gosh if only you knew and I was just I was told to only say yeah girl you can do it and it just sucks because it's sisterhood people want to be a part of a sisterhood who want to be a part of like something that's bigger than themselves so for me my my boiling point was when they were just telling us how to train our team my boiling point was seeing my income and seeing my team's income and it didn't make sense it was just a big old gap and seeing that I was only one winning always I was the only one who was always winning the dinner it's the only one who was always been in the free trip so his only one who's always getting recognized it was me me me to the point where my team put me on a pedestal and they knew that what I was doing was ever attainable and that's what sucks that they put you on a pedestal and most people are never gonna get there you have to get in very very early for you to achieve success so that's what my what if it was when I just I couldn't take any more seeing my team like not themselves and me having training from upline leaders on how to manipulate my own team and yeah and it's you have to get in early or you have to have a large network like yes you know and even after having a large network there's going to come a time when you have to start running add social media ads to find more people that's something they don't tell you there's so many things and it's so much information that it never ends like you're caught there's just so much to do so much information tell me like with when you were seeing like your people were not hitting the success that you were because I started recognizing that too and I was just like this like this many people can't be failing like I had a few girls who were having success but everybody was stressed like and compared to how many people I had recruited I was like this many people can't be failing and that's what my cognitive dissonance started because I'm like something's not right here for me I know that I was always told by the MLM buy up lines that like those people who aren't succeeding they're not working hard enough like they're not you know they're not doing enough personal development they're not saying they're doing or they're not doing what they're saying they're doing and I believed it I totally believed it until it just got so many years about 20 years I was like this can't be right so what was it like for you what were they saying about all those people who weren't succeeding the same a lot of a lot of similarity less yours I remember my upline I would always be like how can I help them what can I do to help them succeed and she would always be like well it's up to them it's not up to you you can give them the resources you can love on them but if they're not working go to the next but here's a thing that people don't see outside of MLM it is so stressful to keep work every single day and you know take away three hours of your day to just be on a team call it necessarily work it's very very stressful and people don't see that and so for me I was working my hiney off for like 12 p.m. to 12 a.m. I had a team in Canada and so they're three hours behind me I'm CTC Central time and there was so many times where I would not go to sleep until like 2:00 a.m. because I was helping I can't at a team and people don't see that you're putting in so much time to love on your team and help your team and they're not succeeding and it always hurt my heart because I was always seeing the success but nobody else was and when you're 20 you're seeing success I mean that's great I most people would feel great but for me I just felt an icky feeling I felt like I was stealing from people and I felt like I deserve the success because they weren't winning and so I just don't like the way that it's built up that you know yeah you have to have a big following or you have to come in first which really really sucks mm-hmm and so when you left like what did that look like what happened we need left the cult Oh much tea Sara metaphor it was my breaking poor it my boyfriend and I we moved into a luxury apartment and I remember one day just kind of sitting down because I would work a lot from home and when you work from home it kind of got a little bit boring that for a while and one day I just kind of felt like okay I don't feel as happy anymore there's something here like um I think it was the beginning of a new month and we closed out one of our biggest month the month before and I just didn't feel on fire anymore and I felt really weird about myself and that's when I was like what really is our bond I've been in our bond for almost three years I've been in our book for two and a half years what is our bond you know what am i what's my mission what am i running towards and I started researching a ton that's when everything kind of starting unfolding and for me I knew that I had just had to tell my team and I knew that I no longer wanted to be a part of it but when you have a team like that they're texting you all the time seeing if you're free defer a phone call or texting for advice or to ask new questions or all of this and you can't just fall off the face of the earth because they're face of the earth because they're gonna know that something's going on so I just wanted to be really real and transparent and just let him know at once since I didn't necessarily get my whole team involved I got about I got my direct layers I guess you can say let me pause you for one second so you said that you started researching about our bond and that's when you can were kind of like woke up what were the things you were like researching them stood out to you um and so everything I have in documentation but one of the mo anti ml embers that really brought a lot of she opened my eyes what her name is Kiki Chanel and so I loved her because she actually posts like her linked resources and so I actually saved some of her resources but specifically they got a new CEO and I didn't know why so you're always heard and people are here new projects or they wanted to do something different I didn't know why they got a new CEO in 2009 that they got sued and for putting out false claims a lot of top leaders left and I always heard of people leaving going to different network marketing companies I would always hear my sponsor say me to block them so they don't you know see what you're doing you need to go ahead and tell your team to block them and everything started to make sense people were leaving our bond because of the system because of the way it was built people were leaving our bond because it was so hard to keep up with your maintenance people are leaving our bond because the income just wasn't worth it for your mental health and that's where I was feeling my mental health was at its all-time low I feel like I had to be a certain person online and there's so many posts it's like people look at my Instagram they're gonna see that I look so happy but as I was writing those posts I was crying writing those posts and I was like I can't do this like this is like one day I'm happy one day I'm sad one day I'm stressed one damage it was just so horrible for myself being only 20 years old having to deal with those many problems so when I left word got around really really fast I had to zoom with my team and within ten minutes I kid you not my upline texted me and boom prior to that text I had not talked to her since our Vegas global training conference and which was much prior to that not prior to that and she texted me she said is it true that you're leaving at that point I knew I I realized you don't care about me you don't care about anything that I'm doing you just care about the increment I'm giving you and what your dad is it's so this is none of this is only with our bond like this is with all the companies what I want people to understand and wait you said like you hadn't seen her in months and she reached out and was like are you leaving are you quitting that's how it is so many of them and it's like like as I believe that all these people even the up lines are victims of these commercial cults it's the CEOs the coaches for network marketers those are the people who I believe are like the cult leaders um those are the ones who we should not be looking to at all those victims are just bad but victims in this even the up lines they're just they've been more indoctrinated and what you said it's like it's so true like you can have up lines not speak to you and when you're in the top everybody thinks like everyone best friends and that they always hang out and yeah yeah but I remember I would go to these retreats and we would do like photo shoots and then I wouldn't hear from my upline even though I was hitting all my quotas non-stop and exceeding them I wouldn't hear from her for a long time and but she'd be posting pictures of us from our retreats and being like my business besties yeah yeah yeah so people think like I want to be in that like I want that girl club like I want to be a part of that it's like you never see her or talk to her and that's how it isn't so many of these these companies and it's yeah it's an illusion it's more like it was for someone who it's you and I who would always hit our numbers would always our bonuses it was more towards it was expected of us from our up lines like they knew oh they're gonna hit their bonuses next person but the thing is like it's horrible so yeah I remember when uh she texted me that's how I was like girlfriend I'm a big reason why your income is so big so I just decided you know what I'm not gonna be ugly I'm just gonna go ahead and block her and block that negativity so I just blocked her she was super toxic anyway um and then word got around so it's like so fast hurt applying texting me then her upline texted me and I was like oh my gosh I wanted to leave in like the nice way possible you guys are not making me lead a nice as possible they then gosh they then blocked me from all of their group messages and there was specific training on you know block block this person and she's leaving our bond you need a blocker so she doesn't go ahead and text you a text her team and they made me seem like I was such a villain and at that point I couldn't defend myself because everyone was siding with them its I was like it's as if you know I I couldn't say I couldn't save myself I couldn't defend myself I couldn't you know say why I was actually leaving everybody was just like let's block this person let's get her out of our lives next you cannot try and be rational with an irrational mindset and anybody inside the cult they're not thinking properly they have an irrational mindset and anybody who leaves is shunned you are excommunicated you are no longer with us therefore you are against us it doesn't matter your reasonings you are shunned you are done and that's how it is and it's so sad and it's so weird because people who weren't even making any money whenever they left it was like okay bye like I wish you the best for the people who are known the people who are making a lot of money and the people that the company knew that's when they're like that's when you're like your son you're blocked like bleep we don't know why you're leaving we don't know why you believe this income so it was as if like you know you could never win so I just at that point I was you know I'm just gonna let it be and if people still want to talk to me some well some well I'll share my story one day and it's so crazy that now I'm kind of sharing a little bit about my story it's just I feel like there is just so much weight that's getting lifted off my shoulders because I'm finally able to share with the world like this is what it looks like when you're on the top of the pyramid and this is what it looks like when you're in these MLMs and it's not what you think it is and just because people are posting happy posts and they're posting about they're winning their bonuses doesn't mean they're happy all the time they're struggling and so if you're looking to like do anything like this do your research and we're not doing these videos to you know harm anybody or to you know be vicious girls being girls were doing this to educate people and I just wish I saw a video like this when I was 18 and I wish somebody told me this before I you know was a part of something like this and what you said about one day is really good and then one day it's just you're in tears it's horrible Satar day that's how it was but they had verbage that they would use to combat any time you would have like oh my god this is so hard I don't they're like this is the entrepreneur lifestyle it's a roller coaster like this is how it is but hey you're gonna get there like you're gonna be sieved as success think of all the people you're helping and yes entrepreneurship is not easy yes it can be very hard and it can be like a roller coaster but not in the sense where you have all this indoctrination and undue influence and thought programming used on you and toxic positivity which is what an MLM consists of and so any time you complain or you're like this is hard you're like this is part of the entrepreneurial roller coaster yes I would always remember people like it's not my upline but her plane she would always say she would pull up the god card and she would always say this is what Jesus wants for you and God put you in this position so you can help other people and you know I really encourage you to read the self-help growth this help self-help growth books so you can just grow your mindset listen to podcasts we love you and we know you can do it and so I would always feel like okay let me keep on going it's probably my Soloff I'm probably the bad leader I'm probably the bad person and they always make you feel like you're not good enough they feel like you're not doing something it's like it's you're it's because of you while you're not succeeding and it was just so mentally draining and every time I knew that I really needed help I wasn't going to get help I was just gonna get positivity back which never really helped me the toxic positivity back yeah absolutely where you can't be negative you can't think badly you can't have any human emotional experience that isn't positive isn't joy is it love like anything else is shut and that's just that goes completely against the human experience it's not normal you should be feeling those things and questioning them that's critical thinking which they don't want you to do any any of they don't want you to be thinking critically so how does it feel now that you're on the outside you know you're you're done with it how does it feel and you know you're still under contract where you can't legally speak up and say your name and what not how does it feel now being on the outside oh gosh now when I look at the end of the month when it's the last day of the month I always laugh at myself and I'm like dang three years ago I was on my computer of texting every single person I knew or gosh a week before the month was over I would literally calculate my team's number and see what they would need and I always laugh with myself because I'm like I I don't know why I went through that and my boyfriend I had lunch yesterday we're in long distance so we had lunch yesterday he was like man you're just so different and he knew my vision and so he would always say it's our vision that we're gonna do this in the world or whatever and he would be like you're just so different you're so happy you're excited again you love life again you're not stressed about numbers you're not looking at your phone when we're at dinner you're not on a team call or we're having a dinner date you're not you know we'll focusing on your image because you feel like you have to look a certain way you're not you know focusing on all the food you're eating because you have to be 145 pounds pure lean muscle mass or not you're not having to just fake a persona that you're not anymore and the baby cry because obviously that's true when I was in Oregon I had to say 145 pounds or else I feel like I wasn't making sales I had to always post about me lifting weights or else people thought that you know they couldn't lose weight I had to always less about team called how to always post about me being on these extravagant trips I had a post about me you know being with top leaders and there was just so stressful and now I feel like even though I lost a ton of followers I don't care I'm doing what I'm set out to do I'm loving you know going back to school I finally registered to go back to school which is so exciting because I know what I want to do I want to be an interior designer and I want to work with busy professionals to like interior design decor their whole home and so for me I'm excited because I now I feel like I have a purpose and I have an actual goal but I'm getting running tories because when I left our bond I had nothing to show for I had nothing there was no diploma there was no anything I mean all I had was a Tiffany ring that our bun gave you but that's not to show for I'm gonna have and a diploma I'm gonna have something to say like I did this and this is what all my hard work paid off when I left our bond I had nothing to show for nothing but heartache nothing but mental health nothing but worry when I left our bond It was as if there was a big weight lifted off my shoulders I didn't like how to be somebody that I wasn't and even though I lost so many friends at this point I'm super happy of where my life is at I'm not just anymore I don't but I have to play the social media twice a week I don't feel like I have to be somebody I'm not and I feel like for the first time I can breathe again yes yes everything you just said absolutely you can freakin it breathe I remember cleaning the house like this is like the very beginning of the year and I had joined an anti MLM group and I was like cleaning my house one day and I think I had like hoarders playing on on the TV because that just motivates me to clean I was cleaning away I'm like oh my gosh what I'm doing right now I never did when I was in an MLM I would never just turn on the TV and like take my time cleaning and would like everything had to be so so so fast and the TV was never on ya ever like that was a huge no-no you know so to be able to like greet I remember posting in the the group I would anti myeloma group I was it I was like it's so nice to be able to just clean my house and relax and not have to worry about jumping on a team call or making a social media post I don't miss going places and having to take selfies all the time and share what I'm doing 24/7 you know if I if I share something now is because I really want to it's like on my heart or just you know in my head in my head and I really want to do it it doesn't feel so controlled and you're not constantly worried about the next sale you're not constantly worried about you know what the company is thinking of you or how you can get to the next phase how's your mental health now that you're at oh my gosh so funny story was towards the end of our bond I saw my mental health coat so down that I was actually gaining weight I gained about 30 pounds yeah I gained about 30 pounds because I was just like this lifestyle is not attainable I'm worrying but the foods that I'm eating I'm worrying about the post that I'm posting like this is just not attainable so I lost about 20 pounds and after getting out to my mental health is just it feels like it's a 180 it feels like I'm a completely different person because now I reunite in my fitness journey but at this point it's for myself at this point it's not her social media it's not for my uplines it's not for sales it's not to manipulate other people at this time it's for me and I feel so weird that I enjoy doing things like going to the gym and lifting and eating healthy and being clean like my mental health just looks so different I'm not reading the old personal growth books that I was before the district or literally like I feel like I'm still in it so I'm just not reading that to me I'm more like listening to like aunt am alums or like really good podcast or I'm following people now that I have the same passion for so my mental health whoo girl it's like at an all-time high right now I'm so happy for you I love that your boyfriend noticed a change in you because I talking on the phone recently with my sister before I posted that first video the one that made you contact me and I remember saying like I was so nervous to post about it but I wanted to share it because it's just so toxic and she was like oh yeah I remember you constantly being stressed out all the time you were always stressed about your numbers and hitting your quotas I'm like you remember that like I didn't think she noticed that at all like I didn't think that that's something she would have ever thought about with me in my MLM journey and just the fact that she noticed that about me I was like oh my god like I wonder how stressed I was appearing to other people that I just I thought that I thought is normal I thought I was like doing good and helping the mission and you know hustling for that dream yeah it would be amazing to get to see you know the point of view from like a husband or a boyfriend or like getting to see what they what they did behind the scenes because when you're with your family and your husband your significant other they see their real behind the scene because you're not just gonna keep it to yourself your family sees it and you know your significant other sees it the world doesn't see it so I feel really bad for him because he he literally helped me through so many anxiety attacks he helped me there's so many months where I was like I can't do this anymore and who's like you just have to keep pulling this is all you're good at and I remember now because if you know what no it's okay to have a nine-to-five if you love it it's okay to have a degree if you love it like it is okay these mo lungs like just they want you to think that 95s are so bad going to school is so bad you shouldn't go to college you shouldn't do this emmalin's is the way to go and that's the night that I had on my roof which is so disgusting I would tell me to the exact same thing I would tell them I didn't go to college look where I'm at now so yes never tell you that when you join they'll never say education is bad if you have any type of degree that's actually used to help further you they're like oh great you have contacts or oh you can use that to your advantage of why you choose this product but once you get deep in and like a lot of the self helps will say that self-help books will say that too like it doesn't matter if you go to college like you can be successful without it and they constantly just beat down education always over and over and over and like you said once you're out you're left with nothing you are they make sure that you know you're disposable to them and you have nothing and it's really not somebody asked well can you put it on a resume no like they don't want to see that on a resume it hinders you and even though degrees are not the end-all be-all like even though some people regret getting a degree or whatever they majored in you will have it forever just like I will always have my license in cosmetology forever it's something that is always there with you but when you leave an MLM you are left with nothing except maybe dead yeah and in closing when you left with your how is your team like did people reach out to you and like where they mad at you or were they like I have I feel the same way like how did that go it was more 30 70 so 70% on my team when I was on that call explaining why I was leaving I remember seeing their faces on a team call and then they would take off their face on Jim and I would be like oh okay that's one person that wasn't agreed what I'm doing and so slowly they were just taking off their camera so most of the people they went ahead and they were under my uplines me and she was like don't worry I'm gonna help you build the business don't worry I'm gonna do this which I'm thinking she's really not gonna so 70 percent of my team they completely blocked me they wanted nothing to do with me they you know was how dare you leave something where you created such a big name for yourself they just didn't understand because they weren't high up and they didn't understand that when you reach a certain amount of leadership you are in charge of so much more um 30 percent of my team those were people that I created solid friendships with or so I thought I kept in contact with them for about two to three months and we talked about how we felt in our barn and we talked how we felt so stress at the time we couldn't talk about it but I guess you know friendships fade and I guess the only common ground that we had was our bond so now it's really sad to get to say that I have talked to nobody for my team when I left my organization of like hundreds of people and clients and girls it's really sad that I don't even have friendships to show for it anymore right and it's it is rare I feel if you do have friendships to show after it but yeah when you leave all of a sudden you threaten those people's dreams of being where you are it's a day to want to see it they don't talk to you and yes a lot of people don't know that when you leave the rest of your organization goes to your upline and I have seen so many up lines just turn those teams away from their their previous upline like how you left and just make them villainized mm-hmm that's really what it is they dare they're saying this an opportunity has to rebuild themselves as to go ahead and act as if their new sponsoring that they're doing to rebuild their businesses and I feel like that's what my upline felt like she felt like okay this is a time where I can work with him now or I can really shoot up my business because I was a really big part of her organizations numbers and I feel like she was trying to do whatever she could to nest everybody that was thinking about levy because she didn't want to lose her numbers that she had right yeah she don't want to lose that money what would you say to the person who is maybe they're not making as much as you did okay maybe they're feeling that way though that you felt with the stress but constantly having to be on and never being able to relax and take a moment to breathe what would you say to them I would just say you know why did you start this business like what is or what is your end goal and do you really have a mapped out plan on how you're gonna get there if you feel like you're constantly stressed if you think you have to be somebody that you're not if you think you have to meet quota or meet a big goal for your upline to notice you if you feel like you're just having to beg people to look into your business if you feel like you're just not good enough why are you continuing and just know that the more you go up the chain the harder it's gonna get and if you're feeling this way right now of stress and you feel like you're not good enough gray fur and walk away it is okay and emmalin is not there it's not not going to be the end of the world and coming from somebody who was at the top and thought I was going to be the end of the world it's been such an amazing journey to just breathe myself and Andrey opened a new chapter in my book and just know that and I'm alive is not gonna make or break you like go for it and figure out your dreams and go back to school that's what you want to do you know don't be stressed do not let your mental health get get horrible just because you want to reach a certain level of success and do your research ask questions if you if you feel like there's a red flag chances are there is a red flag listen to those red flags and do not wait three years down the road when you're probably in debt to walk away like listen and do your research now and this is coming on a place of love this is coming out of place that I was there at that point and I'm saying this at a place of love that you deserve more and you deserve to you know love your life again absolutely normally I would ask you where people can find you of being as we have to keep you as Jane Doe will wait on that so if you want to say anything to our Jane Doe leave it below in the comments where she can read it because we can't shout out her Instagram or Facebook or anything yet yet how many more how much more time do you have on that contract gosh until November how long have no idea pandemic and everything that's happening I've given up on show my face and show the world and yeah I can't wait we'll do like a where you are now and you're able to speak out well thank you for being here thank you so much for having me I loved being able to share my story what I could share and I'm really looking forward to speaking me again so we can like a recap on what my hair looks like absolutely we will talk soon bye head and I don't know honey but like bye love thank you for watching I hope that you found this interview insightful and helpful if you're going through your own journey and struggle in an MLM or if you have gotten out and are now on the other side please know that you are not alone and you can be a survivor just like us if you want to see more videos like this in the future be sure to subscribe and until next time stay well I will talk to you soon

Channel: NOT THE GOOD GIRL

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Keywords: antimlm, arbonne, farmasi, beachbody, senegence, antimlm horror story, kiki chanel, mlm hun, network marketing, work from home scam, mary kay, multilevel marketing, doterra, isagenix, young living, make money from home, scam, color street, norwex, paparazzi, monat

Id: B1NYuOqLUcE

Length: 56min 0sec (3360 seconds)

Published: Sat Jun 20 2020