Drew Gooden Teaches Us To Kiss | Sad Boyz

Welcome to Sad Boyz, a podcast about feelings and other things also. Um, we were supposed to be joined today by our guest Drew Gooden... Talent, YouTuber, poet laureate. Cool guy. Blond. Um, but I don't know where he went. We can't find him. So I guess we're just gonna have to go on without him. It's gonna be our own little thing. He did not give us any warning whatsoever. We, as always, are looking in – Woke up and started looking in this direction. And if anybody has seen Drew or knows where he is, please leave a comment down below. Um, and hopefully we can get to the bottom of this as soon as possible. - Um, I haven't seen Drew – I could help you look for him, though. What the heck? I don't see anything within this field of view that's speaking to me right now. You guys gotta turn your head just a little bit to the right. - That's a pretty sore neck. - I have, like, a crook in my neck. - Oh, I turned; sorry. - I woke up with, like, a very real crook in my neck, and this is not a bit. You could turn your whole body, then. We could turn our entire – - (Jordan groaning) - Oh! Oh, no. - Oh, shit. - You look so pained. - I'm so sorry. - Where is Drew?! Dude, that hurt. - You said you know where he is. - Yeah, where is he? Well, I don't know where he is. I have some clues, though. - OK. - I saw some footprints. - They were Drew-shaped. - Oh, Drew-shaped footprints. Yeah, so he's walking around here somewhere. How would you describe your footprint? I noticed when I sat down a butt-print shaped just like Drew's. They all, like, have your face in them - if you zoom in with a magnifying glass. - Uh-huh. It's like a heated mug. - Yeah. - Once the chair gets warm enough. [DREW] I have to come clean. I'm Drew. - [JORDAN] Hi, Drew. - I'm just kidding. - I don't know where he is. - Oh, shit. Drew, welcome. Welcome to the show. Welcome back to the show. - Mmhmm. - After a brief break. - A brief break, yeah. I haven't – neither of us have done anything in the three years since. Kinda just been sitting around. - Getting laid. - Just sitting around. - Getting laid? - Kissing girls and stuff. Oh, yeah. Or trying to. Boys and girls dancing. Like nobody's watching. Kissing girls like nobody's watching. Kissing girls like there's no girl. Just my wrist. Did you guys ever practice kissing before you had your first kiss? 'Cause I would do, like, the two-finger – - I didn't know about that. Yeah. I think so. Maybe you shouldn't have known about that. Maybe I should have kept that to myself. Nice bony lips. I think I did practice kissing. So dry. [JARVIS] Um, 'cause I think... Yeah, 'cause you're, like, exploring... - Your own body? - Your own body. - You're like, "How does it work?" - Your own lips. You're like, uh, you're seeing romance. You're like, "When is that gonna enter my life?" - Mmhmm. - And when it does, I'll be prepared. Yeah, that was the feeling for me. I don't know about you guys. I got my first kiss when I was 15, but I wanted my first kiss from, like, maybe 9 on. - Oh, yeah. - So that was many years of, like, seeing, you know, uh... Agent Cody Banks or, you know, all those – there were so many movies. - The Rizzler, Agent Cody Banks. - Yeah. The old Rizz King, before Baby Gronk. Yeah, before Baby Gronk. He's getting a special gum that gives you powers and a grappling hook, and you're like, - "And a kiss, you say?" - "And a kiss?" Yeah. No, that movie specifically, he, like, backflipped by a pool and kicked someone, and I thought, "That's the coolest thing ever." - Yeah. - And then he kissed Hilary Duff at the end, and then I was, like, so lonely, and I wanted that. So I guess I would kiss my hand. - No, but that's real. - And then you'll jump over a pool. Kiss my hand in the pool. I don't think I... Nine is young. 'Cause that is a – that feels like it's romantic desire in a way, - do you know what I mean? - Yeah. - [JORDAN] Like movie romance, kinda. - Yeah. No, I remember, like, I would... My first crush, I was maybe even before 9. I think I was in, like, first grade. There was a girl I was like, "Oh, she's cute." - So, I – but then I – - How old is first grade? - Like seven, maybe? So, yeah... - [JORDAN] Oh my God. - Yeah. - So, that'd mean like 8 full years - of wanting to kiss. - [JARVIS] Wanting. Yearning. - And wanting to love. - Honestly, 8 full years and... I think it's natural that you eventually kissed your hand. - You yearned for so long. - [DREW] Yeah. You try it out. You try something out. - I had my first – - Your brain starts to break - as your soul collapses. - Dude, we gotta get - any kiss we can muster up. - [JORDAN] Anything. Eight years is a long time to not kiss your hand. - Uh-huh. - [JORDAN] I admire the restraint. Yeah. When did you get your first kiss? I think... OK, so, my first kiss was, like, really young. - My mom kissed me on the cheek. - No, um... - Oh, OK. No, but I – OK, this is – I don't think I've ever talked about this on the show before. - [DREW] Perfect. - There was this girl that lived in my neighborhood, and she would always run around barefoot. We were like the same age, like 7 years old. You were like, "I gotta get me some of them toes." - And I was like, "Whoa, for free?" - I reckon it was those prints. "I'd recognize those prints anywhere." "Those are Coco's prints." I don't remember her name, but maybe it was Coco. - Coco, beware. - Uh... But yeah, we would sometimes – and this is like, it was not romantic, because my brain didn't have the capacity for it. - [DREW] OK. - But it was like we would go behind my house and we would, like, peck. - Really? - So, we, like, pecked when I was, like, really young, because we were just running around outside. See, that's cuter. That is, like, what I associate. When I was a kid-kid and I had a kiss, that was what it was. You guys didn't even want to kiss and you were kissing. - And I was like, "Please, anyone." - Dude, kiss like nobody's watching, bro. For the next eight years or so, I was like, "I don't even need it," "'cause I've had it, and I've got it in droves." No, but I didn't have my first romantic kiss for a long time. I was, like, a pretty late bloomer. I might have been 18. 'Til I had, like, a real romantic kiss. I assume that was your first relationship, too? Yeah, because – well, my first relationship didn't make it to "kiss" because the person had hyper-strict parents, - and they were a rule-follower. - [DREW] Sure. So, we were hanging out, holding hands. - [JORDAN] Nice. - [DREW] That's hot. - Like, hugging and stuff. - Fuck yeah. It was almost like... It was almost like we were edging the kiss, - [JARVIS] but the kiss never came. - Yeah. Well, that's what – When I think of, like, um... I guess it's typically religious couples who are younger, and they have such strict rules to follow. So they can do everything but have sex, or in this case even kiss. So, they're just really riling themselves up. - Yeah, that sounds like torture. - Of course they get married. - Of course they get married. - Oh, of course. You have to. - As soon as humanly possible. Like, "If you get married, you can eat this meal" - "you've been cooking for 5 years." - Yeah. - And they're like, "I'm so hungry." - "Please, I'm so hungry." - "Whatever. I just have to say some words?" - Mmhmm. Real quick, I just wanted to say we just released a Jarvis Johnson! GOLD-inspired "You're Premium" collection over on Jarvis.store. It's a merch drop. We've got a new merch partner. We've been working on it for a very long time, and I'm finally excited for you to see it. We've got sweatshirts, sweatpants, we got shirts, long-sleeved shirts, rugby shirts, lots of cool stuff to check out. I can't wait to see people posting photos in it. So, head on over to Jarvis.store to check that out. Did you have a lot of...? 'Cause, you know, we're both from Florida. - Shoutout, Florida. - Shoutout, Florida. It's cool. - Hey, fuck you. I still live there. - Yeah, you still... - This was something else. - OK. Down south, Florida. Thumbs-down south. That's a British hand signal for "I'm a fan of this." Yeah. It's why we used to do it in the Colosseum. - The Colosseum? The Roman Colosseum? - You're gaslighting me. I see. - Yeah, of course. - No, Florida does suck, - except for central Florida was cool. - Central Florida is cool. - Northern Florida, southern Florida, bad. - I agree, 'cause I'm from north-central Florida. Yeah, is there, like, an associated regional chunk of "This is..."? - Oh, yeah, 'cause Florida's very different. - Florida is huge. Well, there's a saying, "The more north you go, the more south you get." Like, if you get north Florida, the panhandle, you're basically in Alabama. - Yeah. - But Orlando, where we live, - is pretty liberal, pretty accepting. - Yeah. There's some art scene, like you've got a pretty good improv scene there. - Yeah. And it's a big city. - It's a big tourist spot, right? - Yeah, 'cause there's Disney World. - The Magic. - Playlist Live. Playlist Live 2017. - Yeah. Oh, people still come there just to see the convention center. They are late, unfortunately, but just to see the ghosts of Playlists past. Ah, I remember that's where Jordan tripped over the small fence leading to the pool of the hotel, 'cause he was trying to impress a girl - They actually made a statue of that. - and broke his wrist. - [DREW] Did you really? - Yeah. I ate shit so hard in front of two very cool women. And I struck out, like one wrist was striking out, and the other - was striking out as it also hit the ground. - [DREW] Wow. And then I embarrassingly got on a plane the next day, more hungover than I've ever been, to this day, with air pressure making my wrist hurt more. - Oof. - And what a big baby I was. Even for how much that hurt, I was a big baby. No, I think that sounds bad. Well, I'm glad, then, for your sake that they canceled Playlist. That was me, anyway. I landed on the organizers. That must have been traumatic for you just to even see the logo. Yeah, I felt really quite bad. "Oh, no, I did it." But yeah, for me it's like, yeah, north-north Florida is like south Georgia, basically. - Mmhmm. - 'Cause, like, uh... Some of our most Southern friends that we're close to, Jamie and Jessica, they live in a small, like, one-traffic-light town in south Georgia - called Nahunta. And it was like... - [DREW] That's not a real place. - I know. - Oh, they're in a Popeye cartoon. We went there for a wedding or something, and we stayed in like a 200-year-old hotel with an attendant named Madge who would sexually harass you. - [DREW] Awesome. - But she was so old that it was – - you let it happen. - Yeah. She'd be like, "Mm-mm-mm, what I could do with you." And you'd be like, "So, where's my room?" She was like, "I'm going to make an extra key for myself." And you're like, "Don't. Please don't do that." "But my room, though? I would like a key." - And it had an iron – - "Can I have just one key?" It had an iron that you needed to put on a stove to heat up, - Oh, cool. - Ooh. 'Cause that's, I guess, how that used to work. But, um... We would both... We bonded, me and Jamie and Jessica – they're twins – because we both travel through the Jacksonville airport, because it was equidistant from where I was in Gainesville and where they were in Nahunta. Um, something about Florida. Oh, yeah, and then there's Miami, which is a totally different place, - totally different land. - A whole different world down there, yeah. See, I always forget that Miami is in Florida. - My brain doesn't even compute that. - It's definitely like its own thing. It feels like New York, New York. It's Miami, Miami. State. Mmhmm. Miami, Miami. Miami City, Miami State. Oh, it's like that Frank Sinatra song. (singing) "Miamiiii, Miamiiii..." (singing) "Which one's New York? Is it the one with the apple?" (singing) "Can I catch a flight there?" - RIP, maybe? - Yeah. So, what do you guys wanna talk about? - A lot of Frank Sinatra stuff. - Yeah. I actually did have something. Wait. Well, I do wanna start by saying if anyone saw the last episode, 'cause we were just talking about this before the show... - Yeah, yeah. - That was three years ago. That was, like, beginning of the pandemic. That was the worst mental state I've ever been in. When I look back on that podcast, I haven't watched it back since, but all I know is I was sad. I was anxious. I was a shell of a person. I'd like to bring the opposite energy to this show today. - Oh, OK. - I'm feeling pretty good, man. Oh, hell, yeah, dude. That's exciting. Oh my God, he's crying. Jordan had a depression afro because he was afraid to get a haircut, and now look at him. Look, his hair's as short as can be. It hurt so bad. I shouldn't have gone. Yeah, no, I had really long hair then, too. Well, maybe not when we filmed, but it got pretty long. All the videos I look back, like... 'Cause the only way to get a haircut was Amanda cutting my hair. Yeah. It was tough to get a haircut back then 'cause it was so risky. - It was so scary. - [DREW] Yeah. It felt like the idea of getting a professional haircut in the 1600s. - Oh, yeah. - You do it at home, - but if you're part of the bourgeois... - And you do it with a sharp blade. Yeah, you need to trust, like, somebody with a very sharp blade next to your head, and they didn't have razors. It was very dangerous to get a haircut then and leave your house. - But I'm happy now, man. - Dude, I'm really glad to hear that. You know, for as sad as we all were on that episode of Sad Boyz, I do think that the episode meant a lot to people. - Yeah. - You spoke about panic attacks. - Mmhmm. - A lot of people hadn't head you speak on that type of thing before. We were just, in general, - talking about mental health. - Mmhmm. And I was like, "Damn, we really got into it." But I think it was a cry for help, a little bit, for all of us. A little bit, yeah. No, I think it's good to share that stuff when you're going through it, 'cause I did appreciate at the time... Well, one, us talking about it was cathartic. And then seeing other people, I think, relate to it was cathartic for us, but then also cathartic for them to hear us talking about it. - Right, right. - So it was, at the time, a very - necessary thing for everyone involved. - I agree. Especially with, like, in that moment of time, it didn't even really matter what your surrounding lifestyle was. The standard of happiness was so incredibly low in mid-2020. - Absolutely. Everyone was going through it. - What's bringing you joy these days? Um, well... I think... Well, part of the reason I was thinking about this, too, is like, I've posted a little bit less this year than I have in the past. And I've seen... I think I saw one thing on, like, my subreddit where people were kinda wondering, like, why I haven't uploaded as much. And then because I've talked about anxiety in the past, - they've kinda assumed. - Filling in the blank. Yeah, assumed, "He's talked about mental health." "Maybe he's struggling." And that is occasionally true, but I think actually this year it's more the opposite, where I feel like I'm actually in a good place now. I feel, like, kinda removed from some of that anxiety. I've kinda worked through it, and I'm just enjoying life more. - [JARVIS] Living life! - I know! And it's actually really nice to do that. Amanda and I just went to Europe for a couple weeks, - and that was really fun. - Oh, hell yeah. Whereabouts? Uh, we went to Switzerland and Utrecht in the Netherlands. - [JARVIS] Oh, shoutout. - That was really cool. Shoutout to my homies in Geneva. Shoutout to my homies in, uh... Where else in Switzerland have I been? I don't remember. - OK. - You went for the convention, right? Oh, I've been to Zürich. Uh, I've been to Zürich twice, once for a meeting at the YouTube office. - Fun fact... - They have a YouTube office? Google office in Zürich is where YouTube Studio team is. - Oh, interesting. - So, I had a meeting with them, and I was like, "You guys know it's bad, right?" It was at a time when, um... - (German accent) It's bad? - (gibberish) That was French. They speak that too! Dude, in Switzerland they speak 3 languages. They speak German, English, and French. It sucks, dude. - Well, yeah. That's – yeah. - And they still can't choose a side. You've got all the time in the world. Remember when you would get, like, a ten out of ten on YouTube and it would be red? - Oh, no. - Oh, yeah. Now it's grey. - It's already bad enough. - When things were down, it was red. - That's so obviously a bad idea. - It's on fire. It's like, "What the hell?" - It just says "L." - Yeah. When you're one out of ten, they do the fireworks, so it's sort of the opposite of that, where it's like, "Great job." Like, they give you that little dopamine that you're only gonna get - 10% of the time, statistically speaking. - Right. Yeah. Treat your dog. Don't yell at them when they're bad, right? Yeah. They give you positive reinforcement and negative reinforcement. But you told them, "Don't do that anymore." I said no, and they were like, "OK, cool." - [DREW] Well, thank you for doing that. - Yeah, my pleasure. But yeah, it does bum me out that the team that does the analytics and the team that does the front-end for Studio are in two separate countries and two different time zones. It really does click when you're like, "Oh, the communication for these teams is not as tight as it should be." - Yeah. - And that probably results in some issues. But that's not to take away from your vacation. - You were in Switzerland, Utrecht? - Yeah, it was great. Yeah, Switzerland was beautiful. Utrecht was where we went first. Utrecht is like, uh... a little bit, uh... It's near Amsterdam, and we didn't stay in Amsterdam. Typically, when people go there - they stay in Amsterdam. - Right. But Amanda has a friend who lives in Utrecht, - [JARVIS] Oh, cool. - so she wanted to stay there. And everyone there was very confused, 'cause it's not very touristy. They were sort of like, "Oh, why are you here?" And we were just like, "Just experiencing the local... The culture of the locals." You're like, "You're an art supply store here in America." Yeah. But it was so fun to just be somewhere that wasn't super touristy - and just live there for a few days. - I love that, yeah. - [JORDAN] Immersion, as opposed to...? - Yeah, as opposed to, like... 'Cause we eventually went to London and saw Big Ben, and you go there and it's like you take a picture... - How's he doing? - He's not doing so well. - He's so small now. - Yeah. He's probably gonna transfer to hospice soon. He's really struggling. - Lost another big homie. - Yeah, my big homie. - Soon-to-be Medium Ben. - Like a Russian doll. - Yeah, they take the... - They take him off, cart him away. He's got some time left, but he'll eventually be Teeny Tiny Ben. - Teeny Tiny Ben, yeah. - When there's no more layers to reveal. - "What time is it?" - It's thrown into chaos, like Y2K. You go there, and everyone's just taking photos, and it's like, "This is cool." But you kinda just feel like... I mean, I live near Disney, and you go to Disney and it's the same kinda thing. Like, "We live where you vacation." But I wanna live where people live, not necessarily where people vacation. - [JARVIS] Yeah. - Or I wanna vacation where people live, - rather than vacationing where... - There's a reason they live there. - They might like it. - Yeah. No, it was really cool, too, and then, like, comparing it to America and everything. And now being in LA for a couple days, too, it's like you can't really just, like, walk around. You have to drive everywhere. But being there, we saw, like, hardly any cars, and just bikes everywhere. And you just walk back and forth. - It was so cool. - It's annoying how well shit is put together. I know. You're like, "This is possible?" "We could just, like, have a walkable area?" It just feels so good to – actually, going back to the mental health thing, too, and on the topic of walking, that's one of the things that I think has helped for me a lot. It's such a cliché, but I started going on walks every day, and it's like the greatest thing I've done is just going outside. 'Cause it's so easy for me as a YouTuber who works from home - to just sit inside all day in the A/C. - [JARVIS] Oh, tell me about it. But just, like, going on a 20-minute walk, especially when the weather was nice, it's just like... Not listening to a podcast, not listening to music or being on your phone, just walking around, it's like, "Oh, this is great." - Yeah. - And then to have that, to be in a society where that's, like, factored into your daily life, it makes sense why they're generally happier. So often, I feel like... I almost feel disincentivized by how that's been almost robbed of its recreational emotional value, and instead been retrofit into wellness and Rogan mindset. - Yeah. - Where it's like, "Yeah, I get up," - "and I get in the ice bath." - Yeah. "And I swallow five bull testicles." And I'm like, "Can I just...?" "Let's just..." Instead of vilifying people for being a little inefficient in the morning and maybe being depressed, let's just, like... Let's not jump to invest in a $1,000 tub, - Uh-huh. - Or put yourself in an isolating cavern... Yeah, get a sauna installed in your own home. Just, yeah, like, take a walk. That's actually good. - Just open the door. - Yeah. - Open the door. Walk outside. - [JORDAN] Stretch. Stretch is huge, like medically huge. I just saw some clip, and someone was like, "By the way," "you watching this are fucked up." "If you're scrolling through anything," - "your body is fucked up." - Yeah. - "Just stretch every morning." - And it is. This morning, I woke up and I couldn't move my head, 'cause I had, like, a nasty crook in my neck and I'm still working through it. But I, like, um... I can kind of turn towards Drew, but it hurts – more than it usually does to look at Drew. Yeah. Well, thank you for sacrificing your own comfort to look at me. - Hey, not all heroes wear capes. Yeah. - Yeah, dude. We'll be right back to your regularly scheduled Sad Boyz, but first, a word from today's sponsor, Scentbird. Scentbird is a fragrance subscription service with the mission to empower each and every person with confidence through fragrance and scent. They've created a great way to discover, shop for, purchase, and experience new fragrances. 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Yeah, I've only gotten into basketball in the past 5 or 6 years. - But I'm, like, really into it now. - Yeah? The playoffs are so fun. Even if you don't have a rooting interest, like, there's a period where there's, like, two games every day. - That – oh, it was all I would do. - Every night. Yeah. We would record, and then I would be like, "I can't wait 'til 5:30 here. I can't wait 'til 5:30," - "and then I can watch the games." - I know. And I would stay up super late on the East Coast, 'cause the West Coast games start later, - and they go 'til, like, 1:00 a.m. - Did you have any teams that you were enjoying watching during the playoffs? Um, my – well, I like the Nuggets. Um, I'm a Magic fan, being from Orlando. - [JARVIS] Of course. Yeah. - They weren't in the playoffs. - But next year, championship, baby. - Yeah, bay-bee. - Are you gonna make sure that happens? - I'm gonna make sure that happens. You didn't really contribute at all this time. I didn't do enough. I'll say that their lack of success this year - was largely on my shoulders. - Yeah, because you... - [JORDAN] "I was on a walk." - I was too busy walking. You have been out of the league for a few years, I will say. If you Google "Drew Gooden," he's a retired basketball player. You know I'm the other guy, though, that I'm not the...? - [JORDAN] Yeah, of course. - I guess you brought up basketball. That makes sense, why you would bring it up, 'cause you assume that I'm the guy who used to play. I'm just a fan. I make YouTube videos. - Which one are you? - That was a question? - Yeah. - [JARVIS] Wait a second. - Yeah, we would have... - 'Cause you wouldn't make that mistake. - We would never make that mistake. - We wouldn't have slipped up. Maybe I am, 'cause he's like a weird little loser, but then I used to play basketball. Yeah, that guy, like, pretends to eat like Tom Brady, like he's a pretend pro athlete. - I know, yeah. He wishes he was me. - He wishes, yeah. - Kisses his kids on the lips. Yeah, but I used to play basketball. You're right. That checks out. What was your, like, uh... Because I really wanna – like, the small beats of times where I've been involved in some kind of tournament storyline, like I've known about it in any athletic, - I've really enjoyed it. - Yeah. But I find the entry point really difficult. I know that, um, The Last Dance was good for a lot of people. - Oh, yeah. - I enjoyed that as well, but that era of basketball I am somewhat familiar with. - [DREW & JARVIS] Right. - So, to get super contemporary, is it just a case of exposure therapy? You just have to watch it enough - for it to sink in? - Well, I think, um... I think with sports, and part of the reason I like basketball and football so much is, like, it's fun to watch, but also there's so many storylines involved, and that's what really draws me to it. It's this live theater that I think a lot of people who don't watch sports maybe don't – like, even Amanda, who's never really been into sports, she's gotten a little bit into basketball watching it through me, because you start to be like... Like, on the Magic, there's this – Markelle Fultz. I love his story. He used to be the number-one pick by the Sixers, and then he hurt his shoulder. He had this weird accident. And he went from being, like, this super-hyped prospect to a bust, like, "He sucks. He can't shoot anymore. He can't do this." And then he was kind of a loser for a while, and then he's revitalizing his career. It's just you learn about these guys - and you root for them. - Yeah, the storylines are so interesting. For example, there's this guy on the Heat – First of all, the Heat themselves this year had an incredible story, because they performed really poorly in the regular season. - Barely made the playoffs. - Barely made the playoffs. - One game away from – yeah. - Through the play-in tournament. And then they... it's kind of like a ragtag group of a couple of stars, - or at least star-level players – - Really, just one star in Jimmy Butler. - Jimmy Butler. - A pretty good player in Bam Adebayo. - And then a bunch of undrafted guys. - Undrafted guys. But also, a coach who is like... a protégé of Pat Riley, this, like, you know... - Mount Rushmore figure of NBA. - Mount Rushmore figure of basketball. And a guy who joined as, like, a video guy in the Miami Heat org - when he was, like, in his 20s. - Yeah, worked his way up - to being the best coach in the NBA. - Worked his way up to being a coach with, like, this crazy basketball IQ. And really, everybody's giving him his flowers, which was really cool to see, because he won all these championships with the Heat when LeBron James and Dwyane Wade and Chris Bosh - LeBron, Dwyane Wade, yeah. - and stuff were on there. But now, people are like, "OK, yeah, he is one of the best," "if not the best coach in the league," - "just on Xs and Os standpoint." - [DREW] Yeah. But some of the undrafted players, there's this guy Caleb Martin, who was let go from the Charlotte Hornets, works out at a gym that, like, - the rapper J. Cole either owns or frequents. - [JORDAN] Oh, I remember this, yeah. J. Cole had a connection on the Miami Heat and just said, - "Hey, check this guy out." - Yeah. And then that guy ended up having some really important minutes in, - like, the playoffs. - He ended up being the reason they beat the Celtics to go to the finals. - Yeah. - Yeah, no, I love the stories like that. One of my favorite players, uh – Well, Nikola Jokić, I'm sure even people who aren't following basketball, he's just so funny, 'cause there's videos of him just being like – Like, after they won the championship, he was just like, "Job's done. I can go home now." He was so excited. And then they're like, "You know the parade's on Thursday?" And he's, like – (all groaning) "No, I have to go home on Thursday." 'Cause he lives in Serbia. He just wants to go home to his horses, - and just be on his farm. - [JORDAN] He has the same relationship with – - 'Cause you were showing me those clips. - I was showing him those clips, because I want to, like... My social battery was, like, at zero the night before Chrissy's party. But then there was another birthday party that Jordan was hosting at his place, and we also wanted to go over there to get some of the drink dispensers for the party. So, I was talking to Chrissy, and she was like, "We're gonna show face. We're gonna go." And I was like, "OK, I'm going to drag myself over there," "get these things, do a little socializing," but as soon as I was leaving the party, I wanted to send somebody the "Job's done, I can go home now." - Yeah. - But I was like, "Nobody..." Other than Anastasia, there's nobody I know who's super into basketball. I do find myself on instinct, and I had to fight it, like, immediately, but when I saw that, my first thing was to do what I think a lot of people would do, a vocal minority, but some people would have the instinct to do when they see us talk about emotional stuff and feeling depressed and having those low moments, and say, "Well, you're not allowed to do that." - "You're living the dream." - Yeah, "You make $35 million a year." Yeah. It's $1 a view. Nowadays, it's a little bit like, "Poor LeBron James, because he's making $3 million less for two years" - "than xQc is for his Kick content." - Than xQc to stream on Kick, yeah. - Non-exclusively, yeah. - What a collab that would be. - What a Freaky Friday that would be. - If they switched bodies? - [JORDAN] Yeah. - Can you imagine? "Oh, I can say the N-word?" - It's like the Lil Dicky song. - [JORDAN] Yeah. - That was kinda weird, right? - That was so bizarre, yeah. - But everyone loved it. - Well, and also it was with Chris Brown. I know, it's just Chris Brown. I wouldn't have worked with him. - Can he stop? Can he just stop? - [JORDAN] He really can't seem to be stopped. He really cannot be stopped. He, like, beat up Usher, like, yesterday. - Like, he really can't stop being aggressive. - [JORDAN] The fuck? - Yeah. Like, not yesterday-yesterday, but... - We gotta get rid of him. Someone's gotta do something about that guy. He has, like, a Trump-style presence. Drew, are you playing any games lately? - Um, yes. - Cool. - Loser. - Got him. - Oh, I mean no, I don't play games. - Take him away. - Gotcha journalism. - Yeah, I've been playing Tears of the Kingdom. I've been playing that a lot. - I've been playing Clone Hero a lot. - (Jarvis & Jordan exclaiming excitedly) - I'm really into Guitar Hero. - Oh, wait! - Did we talk about it on the bonus? - We talked about it on the bonus yesterday. Oh, really? I didn't listen to that, 'cause I don't give you guys money. - Relax. - Well, also, we literally recorded it yesterday. I'm relaxed. I'm chilled out. Don't tell me to relax. - This is about the basketball thing. - Unless you had, like... (brief chaos) Unless you had, like, a wire, you wouldn't have heard us talk about it, - 'Cause it was literally last night. - Oh, you haven't even posted it yet. No, I've gotten really into Guitar Hero lately, and then Clone Hero. OK, so listen. I have a plan. I gave you, like, the tour of the house. There's like an activity room that's currently unused. I want to turn it into... It will have other functions, but my secret function... - [DREW] The main function. - ...Is the Guitar Hero room. - [DREW] Yes. - I wanna get all the instruments. I'm trying to figure out which consoles I need to buy - to get the biggest library of the games. - Well, so, the best thing to do, or what I did from watching a bunch of YouTube videos, I bought a Wii guitar, I bought an adapter for it to do it on PC, and then you can get Clone Hero, which is free. And you can download basically an infinite number of songs. - Clone Hero is good. - You can just download the whole, like, Guitar Hero and Rock Band library is just one ZIP file, basically. But then also, what I really like about it is my niche music interests, like these screamo hardcore bands, a lot of the people... the Venn diagram of people who play Clone Hero and like the music I like, the circle is pretty big. So, I'll search on this website and find these very niche songs, and then get to play them on Guitar Hero. - [DREW] It's so fun. - You're preaching to the choir here. Back in the day, I used to go to Guitar Hero tournaments. - Tournaments?! - Yeah. I used to – - So, we're talking, you were like expert. - Through the Fire and Flames, yeah. Yeah. Then you're probably better than I am. Well, look, the muscle memory is probably not so good anymore, 'cause my fucking forearm would be on fire from playing. It's a game you have to take breaks often. Also, just staring at it, then you look away from the screen, and you're like... I was trying to be a Beat Saber addict through COVID, and it became... - Yeah, Beat Saber is so fun. - Getting past the motion sickness was the first six months, 'cause I would play it a couple hours every day, to the point where I bought a sweatband, because it would give you acne - if there's too much oil exposure. - Oh my God. - You had to take breaks. - Yeah. Sweatband, plastic rim you can put around the top. You have gotta be lonely. That's a big step. - Yeah, no lovers in your life whatsoever. - [JARVIS & JORDAN] No kisses. - Double punch! - Dude, there's gonna be... And I can even guess who will do it, like of the Sad Boyz community, - A GIF. - they're going to love that we held combined fists and double-punched through. But yeah, when I was in high school, I would go on, um... there was this website called Score Hero. It used to be like a high scores website for Guitar Hero. People would post their FCs, their full combos, you know? And the thing I got really into, speaking of downloading all the songs in a ZIP file, or people program songs you like, there was a community for that back then, and there were – It wasn't called Clone Hero, but there was a Clone Hero-type Guitar Hero-style game that you could play on PC, - but it just wasn't very good at the time. - Mmhmm. But you could burn custom tracks to a custom Guitar Hero II, like... I would burn my own tracks to a custom Guitar Hero II disc, and then I would use a Swap Magic on a PS2 to load in my custom songs. OK, so you actually charted the song yourself? I didn't chart it. I would download the charts. - Oh, gotcha, gotcha. - So you could still get the charts, but then there was basically a tool that took the shell of a Guitar Hero II game and replaced all the songs with the songs that you would load in. - And, uh, that was why I – - It's so much easier these days. - Yeah, you had to do it all manual. - But yeah, that's awesome. I've been doing it for a few months now. Part of it is because I'm doing a video about Guitar Hero and Clone Hero in general. - Oh, nice. - But I just keep putting off - finishing the video, so it keeps... - I'm going to make it first. - Do what? - I'm going to make it when I get home. - You're gonna make...? - [JARVIS] Oh, he's gonna make your video. Fuck. And then everyone who watches this is gonna make my video, too. - Damn, dude. - [DREW] Yeah. Well, I'll spoil it. The thought of it is like, 'cause I play guitar too, so when I was young I used to play Guitar Hero. And then eventually I played the guitar, and then this idea of, like, "Can playing... can..." "Can getting really good at Guitar Hero actually make me better" "at playing the real guitar?" And then I have some stuff playing in there, too. - That's fun. - But I just keep playing Clone Hero, and I just get really into it. But I also am at a point now - where I learned how to chart songs, too. - Oh, shit. It's pretty – like, there's all these super user-friendly softwares to do it. And I've done a couple songs that I couldn't find someone else do. That's its own thing, too, 'cause you gotta get the exact right BPM. Otherwise, it's a little bit off. You've gotta, like, fuck with that. Straight-up just orchestration, like it's so precise. Yeah. And then you gotta, you know... You have the general idea of pitch, like, "Would this...? OK, shit, I'm running out of notes to go higher," - "so I guess I'll start here and go there." - Yeah, you have to loop back around. It's so fun, though. It's such a time suck, where I'll sit there for like 3 hours - and be like, "Oh, shit." - You're gonna become a music producer, I feel like. This is like what 13-year-olds do, and then they become Jack Harlow. Right, but I'm 29, and I'm not learning anything helpful. It's just so I can pretend to play the guitar. I'd be way better off just learning the actual guitar for these songs. But that's what people always said when I was playing Guitar Hero as a kid. - "Just learn the real guitar," yeah. - Yeah. Fuck off. - I'm having fun. - [DREW] No, it's fun! - It is a completely – I think Guitar Hero is a better comparison to, like, piano. - OK, yeah. - I learned piano after guitar, and I'm not good at either. I just like both. - Yeah, right. - And piano is by far the more, like, methodical, learning the exact piece in the exact order. - Mmhmm. - I mean, obviously it's not. There's tons of interpolation and jazz and that's a thing. - Yeah. - But in the case of guitar, the immediate gratification takes so fucking long. - Yeah, it's hard. - It's 50 hours before it's at all fun. - Yeah. - In a way that, like, if you had a kid that really enjoyed rhythm games, even Beat Saber or Dance Dance or something, I would be like... Piano might – if you are gonna transition, which you don't have to... Absolutely, 'cause you can just fuck around on the piano and kinda figure it out. Guitar, I tried to play guitar when I was like 12, and I couldn't even press hard enough on the strings for it to not buzz. - Yeah, yeah. - So, I was like, "This doesn't work for me." - "My body physically cannot do this." - I will say, Jordan, you say you're bad at piano, but I saw the arc of you, like, hyperfocusing on music theory and piano, and in my mind, you got very good at piano very fast. So, shoutouts on that. - [JORDAN] Thanks, dude. - Yeah, I'm sure you're just being fake humble. - I'm phenomenal, actually. - Yeah, I figured. I figured. I'm something of – kind of your piano hero, in a way. - OK. All right. Calm down. - I always did think that a tool like... I think there's an app for this now, but I did think that a tool like Guitar Hero - could teach me how to play piano better. - [JORDAN] Oh, yeah. Like, if there was a Guitar Hero for piano that was like a real – like, had the whole keyboard – - Yeah, or at least just the, whatever – - Like a few octaves. Yeah, or just one octave, 'cause then they all repeat. - Yeah, exactly. - It's just the same notes. [JORDAN] I know that there was... - There was DJ Hero at one point. - There was DJ. - Which was kind of a flop, but... - Such a strange miscalculation, - to make DJ Hero. - Yeah. Well, that was, like, peak EDM and dubstep, I think, 2012 or '11. I actually don't remember exactly when it was. But then it's like you're just moving the knobs back and forth, and... That feels exactly like almost one step too far away - from the fidelity of playing it. - Uh-huh, yeah. Like, if you played Dance Dance Revolution on a controller, it's still valid. It's just a little too far away from what the thing you're emulating is. - Yeah. - If Guitar Hero was just, like, again, a keyboard... You're not holding the axe. - It's not the same. - Yeah. OK, does anybody remember the DS Guitar Hero? No, I never played it, but in researching it I did realize... I had it. I played it. So, it had an attachment you would put inside the DS, and it would give you, like, the ability to play – I think it was only 4 buttons instead of the normal 5. And it was kinda where the, um... If memory serves, it's where the Game Boy Advance slot on the DS was, like a DS Lite. - I think it maybe plugged into that. - OK. And that's how it, like, locked in, and then you would kinda hold your DS sideways. - Oh, but you mean like... - Like, strum with the stylus? - Yeah, you would... - That sounds way harder. - It was like a carpal tunnel device. - Absolutely. Only children can play it. Once your bones metastasize... If your hands are large, yeah, your bones will grind to dust. Or there's the, uh – I know it's because we were smaller people, but it is beyond me. I remember playing so many DS games with the claw, where my pinky would be on the top of the controller. - Oh, yeah. - And my stylus would be... I used to play GoldenEye: Rogue Agent, I believe it was called, - a very poorly-ported FPS. - Uh-huh. It's kinda like when you put goggles on, that whole thing. - It was truly a, like, twisting around – - Yeah, doing gymnastics with your fingers. Which now is, like, EMT needed. As soon as I do that, crack sound, pop. Yeah, you need to be doing that in the lobby of a hospital just in case. - So you're right there. - Yeah. - "Officer. Doctor Officer." - "Doctor Officer, Professor, Your Honor." - Not understanding what a hospital is at all. - "I don't know what any of these jobs are." - "I'm sorry." - "I performed a citizen's arrest." - Is that real, by the way? - A citizen's arrest? - Can you do that? - I wish. - It seems like you can't. - One of my, um... You ever drive, and there's just the worst, most reckless driver, and you're just like, "I wish just for 5 minutes I could pull them over" "and be a cop"? "But I'm not allowed, 'cause I'm not." And they would probably shoot me, 'cause I live in Florida. I just wish I could give them a stern talking-to. Yeah. You can't put a police light or whatever on my roof. Can I put just, like, a little red and blue light that I have for fun? Can I at least user a loudspeaker and say, "Slow down, sir"? - "I'm the police." - "I wish I was the police." - "I'm in the Navy SEALs." - "I can't pull you over," - "but I sure would like to." - "Sir, I'm going to kill you." - Well, then they might actually shoot me. - I wish, um – you know when – I don't know what driving is like in Orlando, but in LA, people are kinda wacky and wild on the road. - I've noticed. - And a lot of people are very impatient. And times where, for example, you're at a stoplight and, uh, you can't go forward because there's cars in front of you, and also the light is red. Someone behind you might not see that the light is red, and they might say, "Why aren't you going?" not thinking to themselves that they're not allowed to. - So they honk? - So they honk. I wish I could back-honk. - [DREW] I have had that same thought. - Yeah, and I also wish I could back-honk - where it said a little phrase. - Yeah. Like one where it goes, "I'm sorry!" Or there needs to be different types of honks, for sure. - [JARVIS] There do need to be, yeah. - There needs to be a gentle honk for, like, when the light turns green and you wait 2 seconds, and it's just like, "Hey, buddy, you're not paying attention." - Yeah. - Not like (aggressive honk). - All honks should not be the same. - All honks sound so aggro. And yeah, sometimes you need to honk backwards. If you honk, the person in front of you is gonna assume I'm honking at them. So, now we're both honking at you for the red light. Imagine how stressful life would be if you could only yell. (more chaos, overlapping yelling) I guess that's sort of what it's like to be, like, a cat, you know? - I was thinking about that, yeah. - You don't express any nuance. It's just sort of like, "Hungry! Thirsty! Play!" - They all mean the same. - "I'm trapped in a human body!" "Why am I in a house?! I'm a wild animal!" "I cursed a witch, and she cursed me back!" I feel like it causes unnecessary aggression, because the feedback loop is so – Like, someone mishears something, 'cause I've definitely not been honked at, but someone in my hearing range was honked at, and then I was like, - "What the fuck am I doing wrong?" - Right, I do that all the time. And I'm like, "No, wait, no. That's not for me." It is an Italian American transformation experience. That's what's it's almost designed to do. "Oh!" "I'm driving here!" They have so many good surprised frustrated sounds. - "Oh, Madonn'!" - When you said "transformation," it made me think of, like, a magical girl transformation sequence, like in Sailor Moon. Like, but instead of getting new clothes and becoming a superhero, I become, like, an Italian guy named... - Vito the Lips. - Vito. Vito the Lips. "'Ey, they call him 'Vito the Lips' 'cause he's not got any lips." - Yeah. - (mumbling, imitating talking without lips) "Hey, I'm walking here!" Me and the boys outside of an Italian restaurant, just, like, doing our transformation sequence. "'Eyyyy!" I consider myself to be a pretty calm person, but when I'm driving, that's when it all comes out. That's when any sort of – And I try not to take it out on other people, but it's more so, "I'm doing everything right. I'm a perfect driver." "I've never done anything wrong, and everyone else is dangerous." - "I have the receipts." - [DREW] Yeah. - Is it in Florida you get...? - Uh, both. I mean, so far here, there's people who sort of just like, "Oh, I'm going to get in your lane now," but they're, like, directly – it's like... And I've had to honk a few times. The lanes are very narrow here, I've noticed. It depends on the highway you're on, too, 'cause the highway getting here, if you were on the 110, you're on LA's first highway. - Oh, OK. - Yeah, so I feel like they didn't... But even not on the highways, just driving through the street, - I feel like they're so close. - [JARVIS] Yeah. It's like you wobble a little bit, and suddenly you're impeding the other lane. - So, I'm like wide-eyed, like... - Especially some streets, for whatever reason, they will be so narrow already, and then you're allowed to park - on both sides of the street. - [DREW & JORDAN] Mmhmm. So the driving area is not the length of two cars. It's barely the length of one, and it's a two-way street. - [DREW] Yeah. - So, you have to do this weird dance, where you see someone coming, then you pull to the side, - Yeah, as much as you can. - Pull into someone's driveway - so that they can get past. - Yeah, I had to do that - driving up here, actually. - Yeah. I do wonder what it's like for... You referenced being in Italy – Italy? Being in Europe. - No, you referenced being Italian. - "'Ey, someone's been to Italy!" You referenced being in the old country. Siciliy. - "My ancestors." - "I ain't got no lips." - "I lost 'em in Sicily." - Why don't they have lips? - I don't get it. - But they don't – I think – When you referenced being in Europe, one of the things you referenced is it being walkable and cars being less emphasized. I'm curious what the, like – the momentum, inertia stop, the whiplash is for somebody that moves here, or anywhere in the US. When I moved to San Francisco, I never drove – nobody drives in San Francisco. But the experience of having to, say, get to Oakland outside of taking the train, which is good, but it's not walking. - It's not on a bike or whatever. - Yeah. There is... A part of my brain was broken by the fact that I'm just in this, quote, "walkable city" in California. It's just a bit less likely to hit you with a car. But everything might still hit you. I just have to go across Market Street. Yeah, you still have to have your head on a swivel at all times, - 'cause you never know. - Yeah. And I don't think there would be... It's like moving somewhere where you're just surrounded by mosquitos all the time. You just have to change your lifestyle to not get stung. Yeah. I'm sure it's such a shock, 'cause you're just so used to, like, "OK, it says I can cross. I'm going to cross." But it's like, just 'cause legally you're supposed to cross doesn't mean that there's not a car - barreling towards you anyway. - That was the biggest, like – 'cause I got my driver's license at 29 in LA, and I just took driving lessons. And fortunately, I think that was the safest thing for me to do, because there was a professional LA driver who was teaching me the ropes of LA driving, while also teaching me the laws, which are not the same thing. So, like, all the time, I would just be like, "Hey, that's not allowed," and he'd be like, "Correct." "That's not allowed, but you're gonna see it all the time." - And I was like, "OK." - You still have to be prepared for it. Yeah, so defensive driving is key. But I just can't – There's a little part of me, and it's maybe the, like, teacher's pet inside of me or something, where when I see somebody change lanes without signaling, I'm like, - "You didn't signal." - Yeah, absolutely. - "Mm, I think you'll find I'm in the right." - "It's a good thing I'm paying attention." - "History will be on my side." - Yeah. You're just, like, barreling into an orphanage. It knocks you off the road, and you're like, "I think you'll discover that I was actually right." I have a new respect, or – there are certain things now as a pedestrian I won't do, because I realize how annoying it is for drivers. When you're, like... If you're under tree cover or behind a trash can, and then you just try to run across the street, and a car cannot possibly see you and then suddenly you're in - the middle of the road, horrifying. - Mmhmm. They don't wanna hit you, because it would ruin their life. It could kill you, but it would also scar someone for the rest of their... Thank God hitting someone fucks your car up, or they'd do it all the time. - Right. - It does feel that way. They just literally, "Ah." It would be like hitting a bug. - Like, "Ah, my windscreen." - "Just a mild obstacle in my day." - Yeah. - That would suck, to take a little cheeky run 'cause you wanted your coffee a little earlier, and to just be rolled. The number of times that happens because people just don't – they're all fine, for some reason, but I have multiple friends that have just - been hit by cars. - Yeah? On country lanes, 'cause I'm from the countryside, because they were just like, "I just wanted to go now." - "I wanna be walking." - Yeah, you hear about that all the time, or people who are riding their bikes, and they're legally allowed to ride on the streets in a residential area, but then they get killed. - It's terrifying to me. - I used to ride through my incredibly hilly, no-visibility-anywhere college town. Everything's a one-way, pedestrians on both sides. I used to ride down. My brakes didn't work, so I would just use the heels of my mostly-busted sneakers to slow down. - Like a Flintstone. - These are like X Games inclines. - For sure, yeah. - And I would just do that through the center of the high street, wearing headphones and no helmet, because when you're like 20, you're just like, "I can't die." - Yeah, "I can't die." - "I'm the main character." - "Kill me off?" - Yeah. "Everything revolves around me." - "Excuse me, get out of the way." - In San Francisco, there's such a bike culture, but it's also so dangerous for bikers because of what you're describing. People just don't – People either don't do the right thing, or they're not looking for bikers, or I don't know. But it's incredibly scary to bike. Like, I used to bike commute to work for a while. - In San Francisco? - Yeah. And it was a pretty short commute and a straight shot, but every time I was around cars I was scared. Well, you were – you were main road, right, the whole way? Yeah, I was on a main road the whole way. Yeah, but then there's also the other side of it, where, like, if I'm driving a car and I have to slow down 'cause there's a bike in front of me, I'm sort of like, "Get the fuck out of here, man." - I know. - It just sucks, 'cause I wish it was more normal for there to be just bikeable areas, but it's so poorly ingrained or integrated that it's sort of just like – It's dangerous for them, and sort of an inconvenience for everyone else, 'cause it's like, "OK, I guess I'll drive 10 miles per hour," "because you can't go any faster on this road." Right. I'll be walking on a sidewalk, and a bike will be on the sidewalk, passing me. My first thought is, "You're not supposed to do that." And then my second thought is, "OK, well, then you're on the road." Yeah. If I were them, I would rather be on the sidewalk. - I would rather be on the sidewalk too. - I would rather be the predator than prey. - You're higher up in the food chain. - Yeah, that's true. My thing is like, OK, well, unfortunately, if I'm walking on the sidewalk, now you have to get off the bike for a second. You have to go around me on your feet, - Yeah. - because you're on a bike, and I'm a guy. - And I'm just a dude. Yeah. - I know. The worst – I guess this – the worst is... I'm like, "Who is this conversation for? Everyone?" Um... - Yeah, a lot of people get hit by bikes. - No, that's real. The worst is that, like... Yeah, when you're in a car – I think it's just acknowledging in a car, you are in a thousands-pound death device. - Uh-huh. - And even though – - A Nissan bullet. - Yeah. Someone is – like, the other day, I was entering the on-ramp for the highway, and someone was biking on the sidewalk, and my brain was like, "You're not supposed to do that." But then they also, instead of waiting for me to pass, like, just sped up and biked across the, the entryway to the highway. I was like... I'm like, "Are you a bike? Are you a pedestrian? What are you supposed to...?" "You're like a Transformer." But I guess I've just gotta deal with it, and it's like a minor inconvenience to me, so whatever, you know? - Yeah. - [JARVIS] Whatevz. I guess we won't kill anyone with our cars. - That's what I'm thinking. Today. - in woke frigging Brandon's America. - I know. Big "Sleepy Joe." - Jesus. I was making myself laugh the other day, just – you know, you have to, right? In Brandon's America? - Just thinking of a guy that is just like... - "No one else is gonna make me laugh." - "I gotta do it myself." - I was just thinking about a guy like, "Hey, can't say anything anymore, you know," "with Joe Brandon's woke America and these pronouns." But they think pronouns are like... ...like trees, they're just, like, completely wrong on what they are, or like a meal. Like, "Everybody's allowed to have a different meal these days." "You know what I mean? I mean, what's up with that?" They have no idea why they have to be pissed. Yeah. That's not even that far from the truth, though. Some people are just so mad, and they don't even know what they're mad about, or the specifics of... Yeah. They're like, "I'm going to go in Target and I'm going to destroy the place." - And it's like, "Why?" - Yeah. All of those clips are so funny, because they are the most timid fucking cowards. The whole reason they're subscribed to culture war anti-trans ideology - is because they're boring, annoying. - Yeah. So when they go in and knock over the stand, they kinda delicately do it with both hands, 'cause they don't want, like, the 6'4" security guard to shove them. Right. Well, even before the more recent Target stuff, I saw one a couple months ago that was like, "This is the boys' section? Look at these shirts," - and it's like a colorful shirt. - It's like a yellow shirt. Yeah. That's exactly it, though. I actually went to Target a few days later, and I was like, "Let me look at the shirts." And yeah, there's a small section that's like colorful shirts for boys, and then also the normal, like, or the typical Spider-Man kind of shit. It's like, OK, God forbid your son wear a colorful shirt. Then buy him the Spider-Man shirt. Calm the fuck down. It's always by a guy that's, like, in a size-too-small, wash-faded Punisher t-shirt from like 2001. - Very cool shirt, though. - It's sick. Why do they always love the Punisher? It will be the weirdest stuff, too. I recently learned about the "#pureblood" thing, - which sounds racist. - From JK Rowling? - Yeah, it sounds like a Harry Potter slur. - I think it's more than "sounding" racist. Well, but would you believe, it's actually a COVID thing. - Oh, that's right. - Oh, like "I didn't get vaccinated"? Yeah, "I haven't contaminated my blood with the vaccine." Oh, yeah. Oh, I've seen that for a while, yeah. - "I did it with the disease." - I started that, actually. That's why you've seen it for a while. I'm working on a video where, like, it's like one of those podcasts where, um, they invite like 100 people on. There's like a million microphones. - Have you ever seen one of those? - Like a MrBeast video? - "I invited 100 people on my podcast"? - No, let me show you. "I invited 100 people that had the worst take about whether" "white people were better than Black people." - Yeah. - This podcaster has a viral, like, clip of someone saying something terrible all the time, - where it looks like this. - Oh, that one. OK. - Yeah. - So you didn't mean literally 100. - I was picturing... - No, I can't count very well. Yeah, they always have way too many fucking people. And yeah, they bring someone on so they can say something they think is dumb, and the whole clip is just them being like, - "This fucking idiot." - Yeah. Most of the time, it's not even that dumb. Or they bring a guy in, they call him "doctor," and he's got a PhD in Gucci slides. And it's like, "What the fuck?" And he's like, "Did you know that teeth are actually made of gold?" One of the guys – "Teeth aren't bones." Like, "No, teeth are bones." - "No they're not." - "No. Let me touch them." "Let me see it." "What if your girlfriend is on Instagram? I would hate that." Yeah. If my girlfriend was on Instagram... I'd take out all my teeth. That's always... - "I can't talk, 'cause I've got no teeth." - Yeah. But yeah, there was a guy on there – that podcast specifically, the Whatever podcast, they bring on conservative influencers, a couple of them, and then a bunch of OnlyFans models or literal college students - Yeah. - Who are not versed in discussing these... Yeah, they're not articulate people. They're not dumb, - and their ideas aren't bad, but... - They're not prepared for a debate. - Yeah, they're not... - Just average people. Right, which is the classic model of, like, "Oh, debate me." Or holding a microphone to someone on the street and having all your talking points prepared, but then they're just like, "Well, I think..." and you're talking over them all the time. It's like, "1v1 me in Smash Bros. Melee right now," and it's like, - "I don't play that game." - "I've never played that." - "Oh, yeah, well I could kick your ass." - Yeah, "I could kick your ass in it." "I have no value or stock in it," or "I don't use that currency," I guess. - [DREW] Exactly, yeah. - And their audience comes to you like, "You won't fight them in the marketplace of ideas?" "Why won't you 1v1 Final Destination, Fox only, dude? I don't get it." "The only reason you wouldn't want to do that is 'cause you're wrong," - "not any other reason." - "You don't play Spacies? Interesting." And you're just, like, walking away. That's why Steven Crowder goes to colleges, - or did before, you know, he's busy. - Yeah, 'cause it's a bunch of 19-year-olds who are on their way to class and aren't ready for a debate. - Yeah, literally. - You can debate a teenager - on any topic and win. - Yeah. - 'Cause they're a teenager. - It's like a boxer who's undefeated because he only fights toddlers. It's like, "Congrats, man." - A 1,000% win streak. - "I guess the earth is flat." "Mike Tyson will beat my ass if I say it's not." - That'd be a cool podcast. - But yeah, you have a clip? - You invite 1,000 toddlers on. - No, I wasn't gonna play a clip from that. I was just gonna say one of the dudes from it, I went to his page, and it was like "American flag, eagle, #pureblood," and then "#bitcoin." I was like, "Why is that Venn diagram a circle?" - "Web3." - Yeah, might as well just say, "I've lost so much money the past three years." I saw this recently. I saw this this morning, and I don't know if it's real. Like, someone tweeted, "I keep seeing videos of Brandon T. Jackson acting like he's doing" "stand-up comedy and using a laugh track and never showing the audience." So now I'm watching this. I watched this clip thinking about that, and it made me laugh so much. [JACKSON] I get mad at the doctor, like "Hey!" "Yo! Baby, are you smashing the (inaudible)?" "Like, what...?" "Like, what happened? What (stuttering)...?" And then, the irony of it, he came out white, but he was born on Malcolm X. birthday. Why did the clip start where it did? This is incomprehensible. I don't understand what he's saying. I wonder if this is parody. They laughed the whole time. They never stop laughing. There's a part of me like, "Is this parody?" because it is just, like, parts of joke set-ups. Yeah. It literally sounds like the audience is miked. Yeah. They have the same audio levels as him. - I don't think the claim is that he... - The claim isn't that he's never done stand-up. Yeah. It's that that specific clip has very weird audio. - Yeah. - It's very high fidelity, - and it's not from an hour, you know? - It feels like a movie version of stand-up comedy, where you cut to someone doing stand-up in a movie and that's what it looks like. And then, like, uh, it's one of those ones where it's just all about how New York is really just a big town, you know? It's like it's its own character, and then they walk around and are pensive about their pretend job. "There's so many people in the city that never sleeps." - "I could go for a nap." - [JORDAN] I'm so eepy. There's another thing that I saw this morning. [DREW] (high-pitched, unintelligible mimicry) Is – OK. Is he a musician independent of that, or is he doing a song but is, like, normally a guy that watches - slime videos and is like, "Whoa"? - I think he makes music. I just cringed a lot. I saw it on this, like, cringe, um... Instagram page that posts weird TikToks all the time, - and it just made me laugh. - [JACOB] It's just like the way he raps - [JACOB] is really awkward. - (more whiny, unintelligible mimicry) Oh, also, Kurtis and Jenna are in town tonight if we wanna do anything. - [DREW] Oh, cool. - Before we head to the big... Oh. Uh, I've got a pretty full day today, 'cause I'm going to go film something with Joel, and then got something else going on tonight. - All right, cool, cool, cool. - Joel Haver? - Yeah. - You been watching his movie channel? His movie channel? I was complimenting him on it the other day. He's relatively recently, maybe a few months ago, - started like a movie review channel. - Oh, no, I haven't seen that. Maybe last week he put out a video about why he's doing that, and his perception of what movie criticism should be or can be is so different. It's so much more about the sentiment of the exact moment you're in the theater, as opposed to everybody's take of, "Well, once you leave the theater, you realize it wasn't that good." - Sure, yeah, but... - It's only when you're in there. But the experience, yeah. I love Joel so much. - He's one of my favorites. - [JORDAN] He rules. He's such a, like... Like, out of so many people on YouTube who kinda just, like, do it 'cause they can make money or they can do it for fame, - Yeah. - He's just, like, an artist. He just, like, loves making shit, and he's so pure and true to himself, and he makes exactly what he wants to make. I don't know if you have gone back and watched any of his feature-length films. There's one in particular that made me cry, it was so good. I forget what it's called. Um, he has a movie called Pretend That You Love Me, and it's just... I watched it and I cried. It was so beautiful. Also, he filmed it during the time when his dad was dying, - and just a really, really great story. - Oh, I remember this. I didn't watch that. I forgot that existed. I should... It's from like three years ago, I think. But the way he did the dialogue, too, it feels almost improvised, and it probably is somewhat, 'cause he has all these different scenes, and... The way he strings it all together, it's just really interesting. It's so up here creatively compared to everything on YouTube, - including the crap that we make. - Yeah, exactly. It makes me feel like, "Oh, shit." Like, I like the videos I make, - but I'm not making, like, art. - Right. I'm not making something that's moving people, or... The distinct thing about Joel is his output, plus that. - Yeah. He's also just a machine. - Yeah. He's, uh – I mean, Christ, dude, he had that era of just traveling and making sketches. - Uh-huh. - He didn't live anywhere. Yeah. He lived, like, in his van, I guess, or he was staying with people. - But yeah, he's the best. - He's really peculiar. He also made a great, uh... I guess a longform video or short film, or film, but he made a great longform video with Dax that I... I don't get starstruck anymore, but when we went to Katie's birthday, - 'cause she's very close with Joel, - Oh, yeah. Dax was there. And then Dax came along to my party recently, and I was starstruck. I was just like, "From the...?" 'Cause I think he's a really admirable artist as well. - Oh, yeah, he's awesome. - And he's a testament to, like... I've never liked the idea of, like, "What's real? What isn't?" 'cause it's just boiling down creatives to artifice. - Yeah, does it really matter? - "Vin Diesel, is he an actor or not?" - Yeah. - And it's like, "No, he just is also weird," like independent of being an actor. And Dax is just a fascinating guy. - Yeah, he's such a unique guy. - And he is very funny, but then people are like, "But how much of it...? How much – Is that a joke?" And, like, yeah, but he's sincerely... You're allowed to do jokes - and also be a little peculiar. We're weird. - Yeah, or just be kind of like an exaggerated version of what's already true, - Yeah. - what's already part of you, yeah. Yeah, that feels like such a specific, very small generation of YouTube. 'Cause of that old Bo Burnham video where he's talking about Dax. - Oh, yeah. - At, like, VidCon 1. Oh, yeah, I've seen that. It's in black and white, for some reason. Yeah, it's cranked. Every time Bo says something, the screen pauses and his words are on a big screen. - Yeah, no audio, but, yeah. - (Jordan imitating an old-timey piano riff) - Yeah. Ragtime music. - "Welcome to the Internet" in ragtime. - What was the thing you were gonna...? - Oh, yeah, I was gonna ask about, uh... 'Cause you mentioned the contrast between now - and the previous time we recorded - Mmhmm. being, like, pretty significant. You guys have been relatively close since then. We didn't know each other in person, but we've all been more or less in the loop with each other's lives in a light way since then. But I don't know if there is – If you could point to one major catalyst, - separate from, obviously, the pandemic... - OK. Because I think a lot of people almost got robbed of their agency of talking about what was difficult at that point in their lives - because there was this fog. - Yeah. Like, "Yeah, I had a terrible 2020, but also the pandemic happened." - Right. - Right. Well, for me, so much of it was tied into the pandemic. I think, um... The big thing, I became a hypochondriac during the pandemic, and that is something that's stayed with me and something I've had to work through. I talked about this a little bit last time, but up until I was like 25, 26, I never really thought about my health or dying or anything. I was sort of just living life. I didn't go to the doctor for like five years. And then all of a sudden, I'm like hyper-aware of how I feel at all times. I'm like, "Is this a symptom? Is this this? What is this?" And once you start doing that, once you start Googling shit and going down that rabbit hole, then it was just... And I've had to really work through that, and that's taken a while. I think almost... At least once... At any point – or, you know, at least one point during every day of the past three years, I've thought, "Am I dying? Is this cancer? Is this...?" And it just never goes away. It's this super-pervasive thing. But having to... Getting to a point, I guess, where it's become a cycle, where it's like the thing I was worrying about then was nothing, and now I feel the same thing. It's nothing. It's like, "I've gone to the doctor. I don't have this. I..." Your brain is too powerful. You can manifest symptoms. It's still good to obviously get things checked out if you feel like something's wrong, but I just, like... I have the capacity to, like, "Oh, my chest hurts. What's that?" - And it's nothing. It's anxiety. - [JARVIS] Right. It's, "My chest hurts because my chest hurts," almost kinda thing. - "Now it hurts more because I'm afraid." - Yeah, "Now I'm thinking about it." - "And now I'm hyper-aware of it," yeah. - Yeah, it's all I'm thinking about. Or, like, "Wait, am I kind of out of breath?" And as soon as I stop thinking about it, I'm not out of breath. Oh, yeah, where you forget to breathe, and you give yourself a panic attack 'cause you're like, "Do I not know how to do this? Oh, fuck, oh, God." Like, that came out of nowhere during the pandemic for me and really became a big part of my life. And it's really only recently where I've sort of, like, experienced every fake symptom and been like, "But that's nothing, so stop worrying about it." And it truly, for me, has just been like, "Well, don't think about it." Or you can't just not think about something, but acknowledge that it's there and just be like, "Dude, it's fine." Or even being like, "If it is something, well," "I don't know. What are you gonna do about it?" - "What is panicking about it gonna do?" - No, exactly, yeah. 'Cause so much of, like, anxiety... And I guess this is a deeper thing, but I was listening to a podcast. They were talking about, uh... They were talking to these older people who were nearing the end of their lives and a common theme they all said was, "I wish I worried less." Like, "Almost everything I ever worried about never happened." And then even in the short term, looking back, all the things I was worried about for a while didn't happen. You know, I look back on pictures, and I'm like, "I was so anxious that day. Why? Nothing happened." - Right. - Like, just trying to... And it's easier said than done, and it's a journey that never ends. - No, for sure. Yeah. - It's... Yeah. So much of it didn't end up happening, and do you really wanna live your whole life just in fear of something that might happen? Or is it just like, "Well, it could happen, and if it does, I'll deal with it then"? - Exactly. That's – - "I'm not riding a rollercoaster," "'cause I don't wanna get decapitated," whereas in reality, Now you just didn't get to go on a rollercoaster. Yeah, now you missed out on something good. And it's like, if you got decapitated, you know, deal with it then. - Deal with it then. - Deal with the ramifications. - Skill issue. Put it back on. - Yeah, dude. That's something I talk a lot about with my therapist, 'cause I deal with anxiety, not like hypochondriac anxiety, - but overworrying about everything. - [DREW] Mmhmm. Like, to the extreme where I'm not doing things - 'cause I'm so anxious. - Yeah, 'cause "what if." [JARVIS] 'Cause "what if," yeah. I think the things that have helped me is like, "OK, well, if that fear comes to pass," "then you will deal with it then." 'Cause I think I have a lot of fear about my, you know, like, career going belly-up and then having to figure things out. But it's like, "OK, one, that's highly unlikely to happen in an instant," - like you wake up one day. - Right. - You'll have time to prepare. - I'll have time. Yeah, I'll see the... People aren't gonna all get together at once - and stop watching you. - and stop, yeah. It'll be slow. I'm gonna be laughing at you when it's happening. You can tell, 'cause I'll be pointing like that. - Well, I'll be laughing. - [JARVIS] Yeah, that's fine. But I think the other thing that helped me is, um... And this is something that may not be helpful for everyone, but my anxiety is, a lot of times, a function of, like... ...a short-term focus. Like, I'm focused on it, and if I just distract myself, then I will probably not come back to that thought today. - Yeah. - And instead of, like, saying, "Oh, don't just think about it," which may not be helpful to people – Not to what you said, but in my brain, I'm like, "Oh, just don't think about it." One tool that my therapist gave me was just to say, "Hey," "set a timer for 30 minutes." "You can worry about this all you want in 30 minutes." - Mm. - But the odds are that you're not gonna be in exactly the same headspace when that timer comes around. And so then it's harder to get back into it. It's like when you haven't played an RPG in a long time. - Yeah, you just have to start over. - Yeah, you have no idea where you are. Like a sequel to Metroid or something. They're like, "Well, we have to take your powers away." "You've gotta find your powers." - That's half the game. - [DREW & JARVIS] Yeah. It's kinda like you were saying about, eventually, you just have stressed yourself out about every potential symptom. - Yeah, that's how I... - And then realized you were wrong, - but you felt the same way. - Mmhmm. And it's like, "If I was fine then, why wouldn't I be fine now?" "And then if I'm wrong, I'm wrong. I'll deal with it then." But yeah. So, yeah, and like you said, the solution isn't always "just don't think about it," 'cause that's hard to do, and that can make it worse, if you just bury it and bury it. - Eventually, it's going to explode. - Sure. - Right. - And I think that's what happened a couple times when I had, like, really bad panic attacks. It just boiled over. But for me, I just had to go through all of that, acknowledge it, and then now I have this whole history of, like, "Well, you thought this was this," - Yeah. - "and it wasn't. You thought this was this," - "and it wasn't." - You've got the recency of... Yeah, you have that example of things to pull from. This happened to me – I can't remember. But I was in a similar situation where I needed to just go do things, and my therapist was like, "When you go do things and it's fine," "then you will have a pool of more recent examples to pull from." And that was helpful. Also acknowledging it, yeah, not burying it down. Like, acknowledging and kind of giving grace to your feelings, - like, "It's OK to feel these feelings." - Yeah. And to, like, kind of be self-aware of how little control you do have. I think sometimes we can get wrapped up, especially with anxiety stuff, with ego a little. Like, "Well, no, but I know anxiety." - "This? This is different." - Yeah. Like when somebody goes through a breakup, and they're like, "That's it." "I can never be in another relationship." "That was like the craziest breakup ever." - Yeah. "I'll never be the same after this." - So were the last five, you know? - Like, at what point is...? - You'll get through it. Oh my God, yeah. I probably talked about this before, but like, journaling, which is something I used to do when I was really going through it, and I would love to get back to – just gotta build the habit again. The, uh... There are some times that I journaled through a breakup, where I'm writing... Like, I go back and look at it now, and it's so helpful to see how intense the feelings are and then how detached I am from them currently. - Yeah. - Because it was like I was like, "I don't know if I'll ever love again," and shit like that. And it's like I don't even... Like, I don't think about the person that I felt this way about the same way anymore, so the fact that I was feeling that way gives me hope. It almost gives me hope that anything can pass. Yeah, absolutely. Yeah. Eventually, you just forget the headspace you were in altogether. And you look back on it, and you almost cringe at, like, "Oh, I thought I couldn't continue living." - Right, yeah. - And it's like, "No," - "I just had to wait a couple weeks." - Yeah. I guess that's where "time heals all wounds" comes from, but obviously – - That's good. Did you just think of that? - Yeah, I did. That's good. I think time does, as you said, heal all wounds. - Yeah, heal all wounds, and that's my quote. - Mmhmm. Jarvis J. - Jarvis J., that's me. - I think, um, you know, - to sleep is to dream. To... - 'Cause you can only dream when you're asleep. 'Cause you can only dream when you're asleep, yeah. I've read a book called The Art of War by Sun Tzu, and, um... - Is that the name? - By someone else. - Yeah, it's his pen name. - I'm shy. It's my Tumblr name. That's where I wrote it on, or published it. And rule one is "Look out. Hey, be careful." - "Look out." - "Don't have a war." - That's so profound. - Oh, yeah. The art of not having a war. That should be the first – like, "Don't do it." Yeah, "Just stop." Yeah. Like, "Talk it out." "Gaming is a better art. Don't do war." - "Play Guitar Hero." - More like "the fart of war," - am I fight, fellas? - That's my book, dude. - More like "the fart of bore." - Oh, fuck, dude, you got my ass. - OK, you don't like my book. It's fine. - Yeah. - Well, on that note... You're fired. - OK, thank you. No, thanks for talking about it. Just... I was curious. I think, honestly, that's a great note to end on. - We got some hope in there at the end. - Yeah, I think so. Yeah, there are so many clichés that end up being true, but you just have to kind of experience it yourself to believe it, like going on walks. Everyone will say, "Oh, drink water and go on walks." And it's like, "Yeah, whatever." But then you do it, and you're like, "Actually, I feel better. I haven't thought about my problems." And you will not do it again. In a matter of time, there will be another weekend where you just don't do it. - Oh, absolutely. - And then you re-learn the lesson. One thing I find really hard about, like, giving advice, 'cause we have a pretty broad age group, range of friends these days. - Yeah. - I think it is just creator community stuff. - But I don't generally like giving advice. - Yeah. I don't mind coaching, like encouraging someone to think about something. But every now and then, I do have to hold myself back with some of our younger friends, being like... "You... You only feel this because you're young," "'cause you'll do this 20 times more in the next 8 years, and then you will realize..." Yeah, and we'll do it 10 more times in the next 4 years. - Yeah. - "And I just know that sounds crazy," "and I know this doesn't help, because that doesn't change anything." "The cortisol's still rushing through your brain. The upset is still there." - Yeah. - But then on the other side, I am... You know, we're old and tired. But at the same time, it does feel nice to have, like, um... Almost like a vaccine, like just a normal, automatic comfort for certain issues. - Yeah. - "Yeah, I know I would normally feel guilty," "but hey, man, there's a shortage. I couldn't get my ADHD medication." - "I'm not gonna feel guilty. That's why." - Right. I can get shit done because of the exact reason. I know that. And as always, I think forgiving yourself for not being perfect right now is also, like... If you're not perfect at implementing strategies to make yourself better – "Oh, I can't stop thinking about this thing," and now I'm beating myself up for not being able to control my every thought... - [DREW] Yeah. - Isn't it crazy we did that at like, 16? - [DREW & JARVIS] Yeah. - Like 16 years old, like, - "I can't figure life out at all." - Yeah, "I can't believe I made this mistake." It's like, "No, yeah, that will be one of many to come." I mean, even short-term things, like... Amanda and I were talking about this. This is more of a general thing. On our trip, there's a couple things where, like, "Oh, we did this wrong," or "We should have done this instead." But it's so easy to just beat yourself up. It's like, "Of course you're not gonna make the perfect decision all the time." Like, "Oh, we booked the wrong room," or "We should have done this restaurant instead." But, "OK, it was – it could have..." If you could go back to day one of your life and relive everything perfectly, - it'd probably be pretty boring, actually. - Yeah. And you wouldn't have learned the lessons you needed to learn. - Or, like, I don't know... - You would be boring as a person. - Yeah, you would be. - Hanging out with you would just be like... - Yeah, there'd be no depth to you at all. - Yeah, you faced no hardship, 'cause every time it worked out. - Absolutely, yeah. - You'd be like some other people we've met. Other people we know and don't hang out with. - Yeah. Don't be like them. - Don't be like them. Drew, thanks so much for joining – I looked over, and it hurt my neck. - Where is he?! - Well, I'm happy to be here. I had a lot of fun, and I'm glad that I could add pain to your life. - As you always do. - In hindsight, maybe you should have sat here, so you would have just had to look... Hey, guest chair's the guest chair. You've gotta sit in your special chair. - Right. - Speaking of hypochondriac, I do like the idea of, in 5 years from now, doing this show as much as we do, the doctor's just like, "Why...? Jordan, your neck is busted, dude." "Are you always looking over to the right like that?" One cringey thing I'll say about myself, by the way, I do a "Jim" look, like a "huh?" sometimes if I've been streaming or recording a lot, because my camera is there. - It's to my left. - Oh. So, something peculiar will happen, and I will just go, like... - Muscle memory. - Just naturally, like, "OK." Hit the Stream Deck button that switches to the close-in. It's the later seasons of The Office where they're like, "Who are you looking at?" - Like where they got super meta. - Too meta, yeah. "Oh, the cameraman," they, like, wrote in a storyline for the cameraman. - Yeah. - [DREW] That was fun. This is the end of this episode, but if you will join us over on Patreon.com/SadBoyz, you can listen to Sad Boyz: Nightz, our premium Patreon-only podcast, the three Ps, where we're gonna read some cringey fan-submitted stories with Drew, who'll be joining us. Drew will be showing off his reading comprehension. Mmhmm. I'm quite good at it. Uh... We'll see about that. We give you one of those tests to, like, be an American citizen. Well, I will say, from my experience, one of the compliments I've gotten on videos is like, I'll read a long comment that's very grammatically incorrect but do it perfectly, and they're like, "How does he do that?" And I'm like, "I don't know, man." - "I guess I just speak that language of..." - "It's my 18th try." It's also that. You didn't see how many takes I did. - "I wrote the video, so I know..." - Yeah, that's the secret. Yeah. "One time, when I was at camp as a kid, maybe about 13," "these girls at my table at dinner kept talking about" "how good their lip gloss tasted. So I was like, 'Oh,'" "'Can I try some? Hehe,' and the lip gloss owner put some on my finger" "for me to try the lip gloss on. And I guess all reason and logic" "evaporated from my brain at that moment, because I just..." - Well, we'll tell you what they did. - What the...? - Wait, what the fuck? - In his butt? Um, but Drew, thank you for joining us. We end every episode of Sad Boyz with a particular phrase: - Keep it crispy. - That's Pete Holmes. - Wait... - So close. - We could... - He would never know. - He would probably never know. - That's true. - [ALL] We love you. - And we're sorry. Boom! Thanks again to Scentbird for sponsoring this video. Go ahead and click the link in the description and subscribe today. (outro music)

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Published: Fri Jun 30 2023