Dragonball Z Abridged Creator Commentary | Episode 28

foreign [Applause] [Music] not quite yet not not quite yet but this is where we really started to sit down and we we immediately understood what we had with Goku and Frieza as soon as we got to the end of 27 we were panicking about that's like oh [ __ ] it's so easy to have Vegeta and Frieza bounce off each other what are we going to do Goku's just too stupid to understand any of his barbs so I hate to say it but I feel like this is where Goku's character we finally found where we wanted to be with we were getting there but it's not until he interacted with honestly his best foil that we actually like really found him yeah um we were struggling with Goku's character for a while mostly just because like we settled a lot on the food stuff but the fighting because that's the obvious joke yeah the fighting stuff we never really found that balance here I feel like we finally did it and I'm really happy with uh like where we settled a lot of people get really confused when it comes to us writing Goku it's like you guys are like I've seen some people saying like you guys are really inconsistent sometimes he's really smart sometimes he's in like but you write him like he's so dumb it's like no he is dumb but he is a fighting Savant yeah like he like his brain thinks in terms of conflict and how to get through it how are you going to overcome this challenge that is the way his brain works I mean there's a little bit of inconsistency with how he wrote everything because season one and season two were vastly different beasts from each other also we're three people with three vastly different ideas of like what each character is sometimes but I am I am happy that over time I feel like we were all starting to kind of find our own place and how we wanted to write that synchronized woman together exactly so enough of us jerking each other off let's watch the episode the following is a non-profit fan base parody getting that wheeze in my voice Dragon Ball Z it was a lot of fun for this animation hoochie TV inaccuratorium please support the official release oh God by the way a lot of people asked um like wanted us to do the thing where they he smacks the laser and it hits Vegeta but that joke had already been made yeah joke had already been that keeps happening by the way we've talked about it before people want us to do popular jokes yeah people want us to do a joke that's already been done and it's like why if it exists out there like and here's the worst part if we did it now we're stealing yeah that would just be stealing oh it's evil Gradle oh man are you all right I have a [ __ ] hole in my chest why didn't you block that one I thought you had it no it's funny how he's still talking I could have sworn I hit a lung oh there it is I like the idea that Goku would actually have confidence in him because the last time he fought him they were like Vegeta was winning he's like okay yeah of course he's strong enough to stop it I thought you had it no it does raise the question though why did Goku just let that one hit Vegeta kind of feels like he could have he might he honestly well there's the idea that maybe the angle is weird for him to try to get down there to do it maybe he didn't he didn't even try to try but but that's why I like that I thought you had it exactly because that is very Goku if you're ever going he does try to leave everything up to other people do it now what is it Vegeta I've lived my entire life under frieza's rule first time trying to be dramatic my race was enslaved to do his bidding I understand now if it weren't for freezer you wouldn't be dying no I was gonna say evil oh no I definitely still be evil if this situation were reversed this conversation would never have happened you'll be dead and I'd be laughing oh it hurts to laugh all right two things I want to point out here one um because I know that Lawrence would want me to bring this up um this is also where Goku's voice is settled yes that's how he feels specifically uh he feels like this is where he landed on it yeah and honestly I'm very happy with the final Goku voice early on he kept trying to put you know some uh more basic gentleness and like a little bit of bassiness which his voice isn't really supported for I he can do it but not for Goku yeah um and I really I really like here because it's still got like it it's still separate from Gohan but it's also high it's subtle it feels natural it's playful there's massive props out there by the way just for being able to play both Gohan and Goku and have them be that different yeah like I I play Vegeta and Piccolo and Krillin in the same scene but those voices are all placed so insanely differently whereas Gohan and Goku are both you know kind of in a relatively normal register but then Gohan's just kind of in the falsetto it's uh Lawrence knows how to approach the characters in a way that uh very effectively sets them apart um and and it's really cool um and the other thing I wanted to point out which uh my uh how do I call this um condescending uh hottie uh sub uh loving self is about to come out um I wanted to make sure that we may if not made fun of then at least subverted the dubism that was present in this scene of Vegeta being like being evil because of Frieza in the dub they make it sound like he made me this way yeah no he didn't your your race is your race is full of monster Warriors yeah like there's space Vikings yeah they he took pride in being a Saiyan and he himself has always been like the Sans or a Warrior Race you know we dominate through Power and strength that is our like that was their system like Frieza only took them and pointed them at planets and told them to like go do your stupid monkey thing there yeah it and I I hated that I I like because it it it made it tried to give Vegeta a tragic battle and your backstory is tragic and it makes sense why he wants Frieza [ __ ] dead but it doesn't change the fact that he's still kind of a prick yeah so we actively tried to kind of mock that in this scene so so why are you telling me this because Kakarot you are a racist last hope you are the last remaining Saiyan then it hits him oh God you're the last remaining Saiyan uh I knew that had to be there that oh God no Vegeta you the last thing that runs through his head before he dies oh yeah come on you deserve a proper burial oh yes a proper burial an unmarked grave on an empty planet in the middle of nowhere space honestly I'd say it's too good for him by the way I really like that Frieza can take anything and just make it sound worse he's one of those [ __ ] who all who always takes something and and finally what worst possible version of it yeah I mean like yeah I've got a berry Vegeta on this okay whatever foreign [Music] for you best buddy is that the first best buddy uh yes I think that's the first best buddy no who am I kidding he asked if they were friends before but that's about it I went to hell once the only real bad parts with these two oiled up German guys trying to wrestle me are you real but now later he'd find out I have to stop you you're a heartless monster who kills everyone in his way even children oh please everyone's always on about the children I already tried leaving them alive but all they do is grow up under my rule or dedicate their pathetic lives to Revenge usually both really killing them is a kindness I can retract that kindness if you wish but then who's the villain you you know that was a rhetorical question and I gave you you're rhetorical answer good Lord I traded Vegeta for this ah uh and that's that's when we knew this was going to be something special I really do I like I remember we were so afraid of getting rid of Napa but then the Vegeta Goku Dynamic worked out we were afraid of Goku getting to the planet but then the Goku freeze a dynamic workout I am glad that a lot like even though we were afraid of a lot of things we were able to roll with it and adapt yeah more so and and I think this kind of plays out as we go on it feels like Frieza like you know Goku is at this point kind of just like a toy to him but I think Frieza actually finds some sort of like Amusement in Goku it's like what the [ __ ] is this thing yeah I because Frieza Frieza is very very very rarely on the back foot for most of this fight until near the end so every now and again Goku will pull out a surprise and they'll be like what the kids what the hell was that yeah so well Frieza can find it disarming he'll never find it challenging so he gets to be befuddled and kind of like just frustrated but not angry yeah like I said I think he finds this amusing to a certain degree confusing and amusing amusing commus amazing I love that shot of Goku against Frieza and the bubble car but he never meets any other form of Frieza right Gohan Krillin piccolo get on out of here I'll take freezer and myself no butts Piccolo you take care of Gohan so keep doing what I've been doing then uh-huh yeah I figured let's go that's a little bit Frieza never tries to correct him again on calling him Freezer by the way there's a continuity error on that previous shot um oh when when Krillin flies away he's wearing his ghee oh yeah um it's one of the reasons that I don't Linger on it um because I felt like if we did Piccolo you take care of Gohan so keep doing what I've been doing then yeah huh yeah I figured let's go oh yeah yeah um yeah that's weird yeah that's in the original um that can happen yeah you have character sheets they're flying away you don't think about it too much it even stops in the original scene he stops and yells to Gohan so you get to see all of that oh man all that Krill Master yeah uh so but yeah I never noticed that beat him within an inch of his life and name a place in trail wow he sounds like he's had a hard time really have a talk with him I see because he knows piccolo'd be better at it fight me all on your own how gutless what how was that gutless because suicide is the coward's way out can we fight now son of a yes Goku all business yep catch these hands I love that delivery from Moscow they're just like oh [ __ ] I'm out of my damp by the way so um this is one of the first times where we're gonna see like originally when we were adapting Dragon Ball we avoided the fighting as much as we possibly could because we didn't want a whole lot on screen without jokes and to be completely honest it's a little difficult to have comedy while The fighting's Happening Now when nobody's talking yeah specifically because well we could have had them talking in the meantime the jokes don't exactly lend themselves to the dynamic action going on and I feel like the Vegeta Goku fight lent itself better to that style because it was a whole lot of I'm gonna say this thing then somebody's gonna get punched now I'm gonna say this thing somebody's gonna get punched now we're gonna blast each other and then I'm gonna make a joke but here uh we do let some of the action play out a little bit longer um I don't know if that's to the benefit or to the detriment of our show but I do think it at least you know kind of helps to bring in a little bit of that Original Dragon Ball feeling which I I was was always kind of okay with to a certain extent here the fighting is a lot more like it's it's a lot more and this is to toriyama's credit better woven into the actual story itself the fight itself kind of tells the story here where Goku is uh you know kind of trying to figure out you know what frieza's weaknesses are what his strengths are where he can take advantage and that's really the story being told here whereas with Vegeta it's it's mostly just like I need to boost myself a bit more here and then uh now I'm overwhelmed and then more people are going to come in I will say a lot of their original fight is just kind of Goku being able to show off the Kaio can exactly but honestly I will still like we still agree that the actual fight with uh Vegeta's better largely in terms of animation and pacing certainly yeah um I'd also say that at least in terms of telling the story at least a lot of the stuff in the Vegeta fight progressed the story much more quickly um where here it's a lot of the same [ __ ] it is a lot of the same [ __ ] for several chapters but because of that uh it's really more about the story like Goku versus Vegeta it's less of an underdog fight it's it is less of an underdog fight because he has the Kaioken that does put Vegeta on the back foot a few times here Goku has nothing over Frieza at all true until until Super Saiyan yes Goku is completely outmatched and freezes just sticking around at least with Vegeta Vegeta has to pull out a trump card to be Goku yeah Vegeta actually has to go above and beyond here in this Frieza stays static throughout and Goku's constantly like it's it's like a puzzle he's trying to figure out okay what's the best way to actually do this and he ends up landing on the Spirit Bomb eventually in a way though isn't that a more of an Underdog Story with Vegeta because at least there it's less like a brick wall and more of an uphill fight because here again it is a brick wall until Deus Ex Saiyan yeah a bit but I don't know I think I like the idea of Goku having to be more sneaky and tricky here as opposed to you know him actually kind of being on a relatively even Keel with Vegeta for a while until Vegeta breaks him as a giant ape I mean hey it's uh we should stop talking about Dragon Ball get back to watching Dragon Ball yeah let us know what you think minute they're all missing he can't sense my energy you can't sense my energy no but I can hear you [ __ ] but this is that's kind of what I'm talking about Goku putting out The Feelers of like you know what can he do what can't he do he can't sense me but he can have bat vision I I I love the fact that Goku has a cons has a conceptual idea of what sonar is and that bats use it yeah it's bat vision huh you missed or did I yeah you did well no I really did see not a hole on me I wasn't trying to you should really work on your aim you know what I'm not going to say anything I'm just going to let this next part be a surprise what part now what do you have to say explaining I'm in softball because he was a loyal friend and servant I was almost out of the frying pan and into the lava how do you function hey I'm just like any other guy I pay my taxes I'm going to drown you I'm going to drown you like a sack of dumb puppies what what you drowned puppies because they're cute and cuddly are you coming on to me by the way uh I've gotten a couple people who didn't quite understand the line and a couple people who have they they cut it right away um the joke there is Goku hears he would drown him like a sack of puppies because the puppies are cute and cuddly so they're before Goku yeah Goku cute and cuddly and he thinks he's hitting on him are you are you hitting on me yeah I'm glad we could explain the joke for you now that so it can be funny yeah by the way this this guy's strong I've got to catch him by surprise what a cool shot can't assess my energy I know specifically him calling out Kamehameha there I I'm okay I'm 99 certain he says Kamehameha in the manga as he's holding his hands up like that which is like that's not how the Kamehameha yeah I'm like what can't they why can't they just be regular key balls yeah it's confusing I mean it's a cool concept I conceptually this is me no this is this is Goku being smart this is Goku being smart in a fight yeah love that why kamehame ha this is this idea I've ever had only of the double bacon wedge a sandwich with bacon instead of bread and you know the meat on the inside it's big enough I know it's something new Isle of bacon but it's called a bath go my children that's just distracting like killed that delivers I also love Geronimo I love that time someone kicked you to the curb nice work brain you're welcome and there's Kaiser as the brain so a lot not a lot of people get that joke it is a reference to the brain from Animaniacs The Pinky and the Brain there you go here comes a boy hey man little monkey what with your silly martial arts but you know what the difference between you and I is you can punch a board and it will break in half I can punch a board and wipe out its entire race but can you block I'd like you to meet my friend a friend is he nice rock solid filthy monkey prison just is it's just the Avatar hi General Mountain my name's joke sorry Mr mountains Frieza trying to play with his innocent nature want to play a game yes I kinda do foreign [Music] so first of all um I really like I believe it was Super Beta N1 or super butota and two music I used here right um I think it's the character select screen it's Dragon Ball Game music yeah from the SNES um second new game half a rabbits 50 cents basically yeah um and all the numbers here are uh canonically what their power levels were listed at canonically in like whatever supplementary materials we could find in the uh in the Dyson shoe yeah the uh those old like [ __ ] collections uh where they give you some numbers that which by the way [ __ ] that yeah yeah the disparity there is no yeah uh so yeah that's that's what those numbers mean a lot of people some people have wondered what those mean that that's what that is it is their power level ask Goku Piccolo Vegeta like that game monkey ah it was okay what you it's not Donkey Kong though that is a pie level uh I love that shot what the [ __ ] is this guy oh I love this pointless cut away but the shot is so good honestly I love the idea of being able to dunk your head into water and just go drinking that sounds oh that just sounds so nice with the look on her face you know she liked it too bad it was all salt water though such I know you just cut like three or four frames there just to go faster all right then how about this for another game a fight without using either of my hands okay then I'll fight without using my shirt I can't see that scene without thinking of remix doing I just got my nails done yeah check out yeah I'll Make You Care I'll Make You Care check out remixes Dragon Ball stuff it's [ __ ] hysterical I think you're missing the point fight time now aha got your tail what do you do you think this is a game well you yeah I said it was a game I was being Coy you imbecile I'm trying to kill what are you doing stop stop going [Applause] oh what's that what contained a solid gelatinous mass that whole way I have to keep on guard oh my Bible areas what my mother here oh what's wrong don't have anything cute to say this time oh visit hate that though he really is oh wait hold on I did something wrong there we go he's gonna chop me to death quick go computer instincts that's one of my favorite Parts about Goku by the way just the fact that he like the fish that he will just turn into like a feral Beast if he's in the middle he will [ __ ] bite you I love I honestly as as little as I like truly enjoy the boot arc when he's fighting Kid Buu and they're both biting each other I [ __ ] love that shot no that shot is amazing you bit my tail you punched me in the face you bit my [ __ ] tank well I still haven't used my shirt does that mean I win yes yes you win what do I win another bath but I'm not dirty it's such a great fight just tell me when you need to come up foreign that is from the critic kind of yes absolutely from the critic where else would it be from well I guess I guess he did do an I guess Orson Welles did do a frozen peas ad but yeah he yeah to me is the ad to me it's most synonymous with the critic yeah um but yeah that's it's an Orson Welles reference which is the brain from peaking the brain wasn't Orson Welles reference so the voice yeah that's not good at all hair looking very spiked Spiegel there ah karate Kakarot Jack ah you know what screw this wake up dumbass Vegeta you're failing your race Kakarot Frieza is unlike any opponent you've ever faced you need to embrace your heritage become the Saiyan that you were meant to bring why are you naked what you're naked why there's some dams out there are some people who think we edited Vegeta to be naked naked yeah he's just buck ass [ __ ] naked in the show but he's got his tailbacks that's good good for him now the question is uh I know we wrote this like he's actually talking to Goku from beyond the grave in the actual show do you think that's what's happening or do you think this is a mental manifestation of his desperation the only reason that I would say it's the latter specifically is because it's not in the manga which makes me think that maybe toy animation wouldn't want to go out of their way to try and do something like so Supernatural but then again it's Dragon Ball Supernatural is a part of the process so it could be it could be one or the other I I honestly I think it's left up into two interpretation very specifically for that um in our version he is in fact talking to him we we proved that later yep and you don't take your clothes with you when you die right I did what yeah even have my weighted clothes on too and I didn't even die in those huh that lying red [ __ ] anyway inside you is the Primal burning Fury of the Saiyan race like a wild raging ozaru you must unleash a Kakarot so do I Gotta Throw My Poo at him oh my God just use your stupid Kai or whatever question why did we settle on ozaru I'm not I I partially because I think it sounds more alien and mystical and magical as opposed to what great monkey yeah I mean the dub calls it great ape which not an ape by the way done been there made that argument but yeah I mean like I'm trust me out of anybody who would be happy that we went with ozuru it's definitely me I just find it kind of interesting Evolution went with ozaru as well did that have anything to do with it I don't think so but I I I think we went with ozuru because I mean if we were going to call it a great ape or a great monkey it just didn't it wouldn't have felt right because Frieza has been throwing around monkey like an insult this whole time yeah by the way um ozaru literally means big or great monkey that's literally the translation yeah so great ape is well technically wrong it's actually not a terrible translator when you're trying to match lip flaps probably not oh okay thanks Vegeta golf let me go get my clothes back so any last words monkey you know besides [Applause] killing it on that Commandments slamming it like he was waiting for that one yeah by the way there's a one of these days I want to upload a different version I have of that scene that uses a version of dragon soul like a hard rock version maybe you can do it here no it may be I'll see about it but uh one thing that we kind of changed here is like they'd constantly flash back to uh both Krillin piccolo talking and King Kai and the others talking about like wait he hasn't used the Kaio Ken yet where they just point out no he's been doing it the entire time to try to keep up um so fun fact about that um that didn't translate very well to the anime really because in the uh in the manga you can't tell if he's using the Kaio Ken there's no color difference oh there's no Aura difference either I mean well I guess it's hard to tell right so when the manga showed him like powering up and stuff like with the energy like his uh Aura you can't tell whether or not it's the Kaioken so when he says that in the manga it's kind of like a reveal that of course the reader wouldn't be able to tell gotcha but but in the anime they have to tell you like no look look at these small Snippets where he has been doing it just to try to stay out of trouble uh we decided to change that just like yeah he hasn't been using it yet and now he is yeah just less confusing foreign [Music] [Music] next strip next strip next strip Japanese people I believe the names on there are actually people who are on the staff hmm I feel bad for their families nice cool thank you ridiculously hung oh yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah impressively yeah Coombs slinging meat Mr Beef oh God ah so yeah that was uh that is the first episode of the Goku Frieza fight um we actually so funny enough we went back and forth on how many episodes we wanted this to be and we were like actually kind of desperate to try and get the entire fight in one episode but whatever it was never gonna happen we wanted 28 and 29 to be one episode yeah but then it was like uh then it kind of came to our attention it's like well you know what 28 and 29 can be their own episodes and then 30 can be the finale so then we'll have an even 30. huh I'm really really glad that we achieved it I mean came up with a brilliant idea of having multiple parts for uh the finale so they can count as one episode so technically by the end of it we could have 60 episodes we really pushed the credility with that one with the [ __ ] Epilogue with 69 videos total another reason we can't continue just one of the many reasons we can continue 69 videos on the episodes playlist you can't make us break that rude but uh yeah honestly like we went over that a few times where it's like you know making it a three-part finale does make it feel a bit more special and a bit more epic and uh in this case dude I have nightmare flashbacks about watching through the entire Goku and Frieza sequence oh my God it's it's so horrifically paced I love dragon ball I love it so much I watched all of the original z a dubbed and subbed and I loved every second of it and I have the bad it might be worse Pace than one piece it is terrible there are scenes things will happen and then like a whole scene will play out and then a character will stand there and then recap what just happened 80 of the scene that just happened a key oh my God and there's so much standing there there's a there's a whole episode uh it's not until Goku goes Super Saiyan but there's a whole episode where the two of them are standing across a lake of fire from each other staring at each other and Goku literally thinks back across the entire fight they just had in flashback form and then Kyle a bear comes in is like the two stand ready to battle it's like why aren't they doing it now yeah I next time on Dragon Ball Z and and we all know the reason for that because Toriyama uh because the anime was adapting one chapter and episode because it was so caught up and Toriyama wouldn't get the [ __ ] off Namek so for uh all the people wondering why we recommend Kai I I know that Kai has its own problems it has its issues but God damn it is it a better watch it it genuinely is if like and and people will there are some people who would have my head on a platter for suggesting Kyo or original a like I'm sorry I will stand by it every day of the week yeah but we'll move on with more Goku Frieza next time [Music] on this thing what we're doing it got in there you did yeah I was trying to 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Published: Sat Dec 10 2022