Dr. Umar Johnson Interview at The Breakfast Club Power 105.1 (08/31/2015)

[Music] morning everybody is DJ envy Angela Gish Alamein the guy we are the breakfast club special guests in the building this morning a very uh polarizing figure now you are a clinical psychology psychologists right right school psychology looks like kind of doctor of clinical psychology doctor clinical psychology now what exactly is dr. Kumar Johnson's agenda cuz you hear so many different things I see you try to uplift young black men yes sir you know yes sir well my work as the school psychologist is the be the gatekeeper for special education any child in special ed in America was evaluated by school psychologist if you don't come to us you don't go to special ed which is why most people never heard of the school psychologist explain what special ed is the special education is a federal law it is a program that was created in 1975 to give children with disabilities a right to learn in public school before 75 if he were blind deaf autistic mentally [ __ ] they would simply tell your parents we have no program for you keep them home or find a private school a federal government said well that's a violation of constitutional right life liberty and pursuit of happiness these children have disabilities we cannot discriminate against them because they have disabilities and the special that was created however it became a problem why because in predominantly african-american and Latino neighborhoods special ed became a trashcan and it's still used as a trash can where black and latino boys are sent that the teachers don't want to be bothered with the two biggest labels and everybody knows about him they learn ADHD it was a DD in 1980 it became ADHD in 1987 and the question is why why did they add hyper some of that stuff I think is bullcrap man the kids just energetic kid they say I think they put a more prescription they put him on pills they put him on any special classes and he sent in psychology psychologists and then it's on their record and then when it's on their record they can't get certain jobs later on in life so I think it's Africa I grew it for kids I you're correct back in the day but my father would never let them put me on no medication in the ladies but it'll not act good for him that's all he does the side effects yes the side effects are no joke I mean it can affect your ability to have children it can cause diabetes tic disorders psychosis but here's the thing parents are uneducated but the one thing that your listeners got to know especially the parents is the labels that we apply are not scientifically validated when we give them out in other words if I evaluate your child I give them an IQ test right I give him a bunch of achievement tests I might give them some emotional measures but when I say he has ADHD the tests did not give me that diagnosis it is a professional opinion that I make big's based on my training my expertise my background it can be wrong and when 97% of all school psychologists are something other in african-american the diagnosis is likely to be wrong and given the fact that 97% of America's teachers are middle class white female okay you have to look at the cultural biases in the diagnosis who's referring these boys for ADHD who's referring them for the ritalin and concerta the metadata it's female teachers and I don't think a lot of them mean any intentional harm but schools are run by females and when the boy cannot conduct himself like a female he's marginalized and castigated okay so you're saying that women who are in control at these schools when they see a man not acting effeminate anything something's wrong with him when he doesn't exude traditional feminine behaviors such as being able to control himself sit for long periods of time something girls can do a little bit more than the boys because boys have testosterone females have estrogen so when he's pre-puberty he can't sit still for seven hours and the reason why schools are still asking our children is sit still for so long is because schools were started by the churches the first schools in America was started by the church and in church what do you do you sit and you listen to the pastor well guess what even though the research and cognitive science clearly shows that children learn better when they're up in movie so why is Public School private school charter school parochial school still stuck in a church model of instruction it's convenient for the teachers my son was five my son's 11 now he was very energetic and always getting in trouble and you know we go to we live in the right neighborhood and they told me that I had to get my son checked out they said he could possibly have ADHD or a DD because he was so energetic so hyper and at first I listened I was like I well I'm a tankman I did my homework I spoke to my pops and my pals like nah you were energetic too you know what I haven't do you know what I did I beat it young kid you like to test men just like any other kid were you you want to test your manhood and I you know and I had a conversation with my son and I hate to say he got in trouble I mean I didn't put him in the corner and it made him sit on the timeout I busted his ass but you didn't put in my medication I did not put him on medication I did not take him to a psychologist and now this 11 year old kid is the best student best athlete with the best grades no problem the Politis kid and I'm so glad I didn't do what a lot of other parents do put their kid on medicine take their kids to psychologists take the kids to things that you can't get off your record I had to go see a psychologist to be asked me do I have voices that's psychotic disorder that's that's serious stuff there most people don't have all the time right now do I see the one thing Envy said envy your father your children live with you right that's the medicine for ADHD I refer to ADHD as ain't no daddy at home disorder okay ADHD 85% of black and Latino boys who are diagnosed with ADHD don't have a male presence in their life in these home so here's the thing mothers traditionally by socialization provide the nurture and the love father's traditionally by socialization provide the structure and the discipline wait till your father gets home exactly when do we get a TD 1980 ADHD 1987 is that a coincidence that that's the same decade that America start mass incarcerating black and Latino male fathers of course not they started locking up the fathers for selling crack and then they will give their sons crack but call it Ritalin or metadata or concerta so they can sit still long enough to be miss educated here's the thing the same drugs that I sent a man to jail for 5 10 15 years that's exactly the same drug they're giving us son the Drug Enforcement Agency classifies Ritalin as a schedule 2 drug this in the same category as cocaine and opium it's no different than the illegal drugs so how do you lock up millions of black and Latino males for selling dope and then you give their sons dope so they can get a mis-education I had a question about your psychologist you're a doctor now you know when I were kidding and it was a kid that was slowly called him [ __ ] you name you said it kid was [ __ ] earlier that's a diagnosis President Obama just changed no mental retardation was the label until 2009 President Obama changed it to intellectual disability because parents of mentally [ __ ] children felt the label was too stigmatizing and is the whole history 2mr before they was caught [ __ ] it was called imbeciles before they was called Emerson it was called idiots these were the official words so when we call people idiots now Justin gesture that used to be a psychological diagnosis so I'm from idiot - imbecile the mentally [ __ ] now it's intellectual deficiency intellectual disability intellectual disability nah you know what maybe separating that when I wouldn't because Amar's no longer legal you can use in a social conversation so if you wanted to make a joke with means that you [ __ ] it's acceptable not because there's no longer my friends at the time you know she was mentally [ __ ] it's my closet I stopped using that word cuz she would get so offended because her little sister was at that time you know mentally [ __ ] so I stopped using that word period cuz you don't realize how offensive it is until you're around somebody who actually has to deal with that it's like she would get really upset but one thing you need to know about em are if you're black a latino boy growing up in America you're four times as likely be diagnosed as mentally [ __ ] than a white child because number one the IQ test that we use are culturally biased okay the school psychologist our main weapon is the IQ test that's what we do and it's culturally biased and a lot of black and Latino boards get diagnosed as [ __ ] or intellectually disabled when they are not because their working vocabulary levels is low and one of the messages I want to give to your parent listeners is turn off the video games turn off the cell phones turn off the TV time that we used to spend reading is now spent on electronic gadgets which has taken our children away from literacy so when your son sits down to take the standardized test he scores 20 points lower not because he couldn't answer the question correctly he didn't understand the words that were used to present the question and that's where the discrepancy is the language that the black Latino kids haven't mastered because they're not reading they don't go to the public library in high school and fourth semester they had me in like what was a remedial method was a learning support C learning support especially if you learned to say but you get learning support if you was remedial that's the step before they put you in special ed normally remedial let's give him something to see if he can catch back up okay then it was a special okay you could have had that but he was technically special ed unless you was diagnosed and given an IEP which is your own curriculum to learn because it's believed you can't keep up and just for the record most kids I refer for special ed for reading it's reading my special lettuce 85% reading and education bothers me as well because you have these kids that like you said might not be interested in reading might not be interested in history and they putting these kids in remedial classes but then if you put them in a class of math they're advanced you know it doesn't show that a kid is slow it shows that a kid might not be interested in that kind of thing they have to change how do you teach kids yes you know it's some of the stuff that I really feel that they teach these kids is [ __ ] well half of school is filling for life because I did go to school for education at one point I was gonna be a teacher and I did a whole semester of at the Bank Street College education and I was actually like teaching in classes and first of all a lot of teachers don't get paid that well so it is just because that's a job that you have to be really dedicated and loved to be great at it because it's not like the salary is so great and it is you know a job to have and the other thing is yeah it is right it is the teachers like I remember one of the teachers of taught science and math she ended up crying in the classroom one day because the kids were just out of control and she didn't know how to handle it she just was overwhelmed she didn't know what to do to deal with you know it was regular 6th and 7th graders and she had shut up shuffle main and she had no idea what to do but I did take like there was a couple kids in the class that I felt like they just needed special attention and it's hard when you have 45 students in one class and one teacher for them to really give individual students attention to make sure they make it to the next year make sure they want to come to school and a lot of that has to do with the principal now I'm a principal as well okay okay when you're giving a budget you have to decide how you're going to ration out that money and a lot of classes that have more challenging students in them academically or behaviorally they should have a classroom assistant they should have a eight but let me tell you a lot of principals do instead of giving the teachers aides to make their job easier they take that money and they redirect it to the football team they redirect it to the basketball team and so athletics of a1 like you're coming as a aid to help that teacher who's struggling to keep the boys in line that type of a thing like an enforcer if you would but the principles are like I'm not doing that because my basketball team is was popping in this high school my football team is what's poppin and I'll tell you something else a lot of principals are taking the special ed money and using it for athletics see special ed comes with money and we need to be clear about this they're not putting your kid in there because they really want to help they put your kid in there in New York by the way you guys have the highest special ed payout I think for a special ed kid in New York you get like $15,000 extra this is a business special letters a racket and this is what I try to get parents to understand that's why when your kids go in they don't like to bring them out because I'm getting $15,000 on top of the regular money so the special kids are worth twice as much in New York three times as much as the regular kids that why they hold them in school all of this is true do I say they keep me cool today 21 and not at school okay special ed law says the child can be special educated until they graduate or age 21 so here are 12 grade right it's time for you to graduate your mom found out you can't read but you a special ed student so you got more rights than a regular children because you can't read and the school had an obligation to teach you because you were special you can stay in school until 21 now of course your mom is gonna say my son gonna show back up to school after all his friends have graduated that's okay the school is gonna take that extra special that money hire a tutor and that tutors want to come to your home and tutor you and to you up to where you need to stills get the money but the problem is too many parents will elect the kids graduate no one they not ready just setting them up for Jail is that part it in No Child Left Behind thing well no Child Left Behind mandated that special ed kids take the same test at the regular kids state so it did change the game a little bit because now instead of just throwing special ed kids away we want to see how they're doing but even with No Child Left Behind you can still tuck the special ed kids under special umbrella so it really doesn't affect your ability to qualify no question with special ed kids I feel like nowadays especially kids are kind of put on their own Island and yes the reason I say that is worldstar no not the world father when I was a kid we had a kid who lived at the block we called him the ek because he was was was word I can use this problem in intellectual intellectual disability right right we could have been autism could have been autistic right but but his parents allowed him to play with us okay we knew he was a special ed kid but we still played with him it was we knew what his ability was but it made it easier for his mom's a [ __ ] wrong very stressor but none of these kids I see now I don't see any special ed kids out there it may be on social media people be saying crazy I be like these are the these are the slow kids that grew up that's how I really see him you don't see the special ed kids that's illegal okay the law special ed law is too major to major planks to it one says if you got a disability you have a right to a free and appropriate public education if you slow your parents I got to pay for you to be educated and you better be learning the other part of the law says you must be taught in the least restrictive environment that means that if Charlamagne has a reading disability Charlamagne should only be in special fo a class green and if you got a map disability should only be a specially level class but you find in special ed kids aren't special at all that day which is illegal because special ed is legal segregation before 1954 if you were black they said listen you couldn't come to school not this school this is an all-white school okay but then the Supreme Court said you can't use color no more after 54 so 20 years later in 74 when they were coming up with a special ed law they say hey if we want to segregate the black and Latino kids we're not gonna say that they're black and Latino and that's why they can't come we're gonna say they're learning disabled ADHD so they use these labels to keep children of color out of predominantly white schools and I've created because you know it was segregated cuz their trailers used to be in the back school they eating lunch before all of us the other eye just short bus and then it was a big lawsuit where the special ed parents came together and said listen our kids are being excluded from the regular class now here's the question of people would act if they special why do you want them around the regular kids if they can't keep up there's a psychological reason for that if your child is autistic I still want him in a regular class as much as he can handle it you know why absolutely gets to see what a normal child is able to do sorry school where the older kids kind of teach the younger kids maybe they don't show an extent to an extent I got a little bit of an issue with Montessori dough because it's ungraded ID child you know even children teach kids better than adults can yes you know my daughter was talking at the age of one and a half and that because I was reading to her because she was around her sisters and brothers so I think that in even when I was growing up we had ID kids all around us bingo now I don't see him in our classes anymore and if I do it's very far very few examples there ungraded here's the problem and I do it a lot of evaluation for Montessori students right here's the issue if you got a black kid going to a Montessori School from kindergarten to fifth grade and then a parent decides to put them back in public or private school at sixth grade you were in an ungraded environment the kids I don't know what your reading level is I don't know what your math level is and then I stick you back into a graded environment and then I find out you three levels behind it's part of the Montessori philosophy is that children go at their own pace right well guess what if you're coming from the hood you don't benefit from white privilege you can't afford to be going at your own pace now Solley in the suburbs who daddy owned five corporations she could be dumb as a doorknob she's still gonna run that corporation when he retired but if you black Latino you don't have a silver spoon so how can your parents afford to put you an environment that's ungraded where you're not sure you're making the gains necessary so when you get put back in the grade school or ultimately go to you are where you need to be it's too big of a risk and I've evaluated too many my nursery students who were far behind where they should be so expensive you know well that's the point who goes the Montessori the risky and it's okay for them not to learn cuz you running daddy's business regardless I do a lot of testing in these private schools and I'ma tell you something there are private schools they're not doing as good of a job y'all think ok these white private schools twenty thousand dollars a young testing these kids I think it's the child of what they want to learn I went to st. Francis Prep I went to Hampton University and I barely got out not because of anything else but I really didn't care about school prep in Brooklyn ok and our classes were so small that I felt like I did get a lot of extra attention we might have had 12 students in one class yeah and to me that was great and I also had a nice variety of things I could choose from we were encouraged to play sports like do a lot of different things and when I went to public school and I had 30 kids in my class it wasn't the same exactly but why ok what you just articulated was that your private school experience was better because the classes were smaller right not that the instruction was any better than what they were necessarily doing in the neighborhood school but in the neighborhood school you got 35 kids exact wasn't a private school you got 10 or 15 so it's not the quality of instruction it's the environmental conditions that allow for the teacher to do what they're supposed to do which is teach instead of being a behavioral Warrant Officer listen you and I haven't not disagree what you get that's why I understand why so many people who dislike you don't want you around young black boys because of your hate-filled erratic in a negative reinforcing persona and I don't know well first off I gotta say I get a lot of love from my community I'm one of the most requested speakers in the country so I get love I'll be in Harlem on October 4th Brooklyn October 7th and I gotta give a shout-out to New York because New York and Chicago really helped make dr. Umar Johnson what I am those type of comments are coming from a select few group of folk who disagree with some of my political positions one of them is multiculturalism I'm not a motor coach Willis and the reason I'm not a multi-cultural is is because multiculturalism has been used to attack the black agenda the reason they want African Americans to pay attention everybody else's issues instead of their own is a way to detract from ours we didn't get the civil rights bill be a multicultural but we got the civil rights bill by advocating for discrimination against African Americans that's not to say you can't have collaborations with organizations rubbers and other cultures nothing wrong with that but you need to make sure you're sticking to your agenda because everyone does okay the Jewish community sticks to the agenda Latino community sticks to the agenda Arab Asian East Indian a stick today agenda and African Americans have this issue of always wanting to include everyone else and in the end you get what you got with the civil rights bill a situation where everyone else benefits more from something your ancestors died for and what does that do when you say our lives matter it takes attention off the fact that police are selectively exterminating African American males all lives do matter but we're talking about the black ones that tend to get overlooked whenever a black boy is murdered by the police the first thing they say on the news as well you know yeah he stole a soda or he was in juvenile incarceration five years ago he was suspended fifty times does that justify the life being take a loosey so because I'm unapologetically African and I don't push the multiculturalism that becomes the issue another issue obviously is the LBGT issue okay when you want to have sex with the white man true because because I don't hate nobody you understand and as a therapist I do therapy with homosexual males all the time and for a lot of them the one of the precipitating issues that led to the homosexuality was childhood molestation by an adult when they were still a child so I have an empathy for that so I'm not gonna go around ridiculing somebody because they gay or lesbian about sexual because I know there's issues in their childhood that help bring that about but at the same time I reserve the right to say I don't think this is in the best interest of my community I don't hate you but I'm not gonna support it because I don't see the long-term benefit of practicing this type of behavior do you think people can be born gay no I don't and there's no conclusive evidence to that party you know you know a lot of gay people say they were born that way they said that you know you're saying a lot of murderers say they were born murderers a lot of pedophile say they were born pedophiles so if we're gonna say this is a gay gene we're gonna have to open up the conversation and said it is a pedophile gene which means if I molest children I shouldn't go to jail because after all it was in my DNA be careful about opening up one door you got a hole up all of them do what I say yesterday I said if you keep acting like that and about 15 years people can be like being a pedophile illegal being a homosexual is not illegal well true but guess what when the dsm-5 came out last year that's the Bible of diagnosis they say they accidentally put pedophilia in as a sexual orientation having sex with kids accidentally was not listed in the DSM as an illness they had to quickly fix to change that and I think they did that on purpose because there's an organization called the North American Association for man and boy love they're trying to normalize and legalize my goodness in fact it's already been predicted that when the next DSM comes out pedophilia will be normal behavior we need a job remember homosexuality was once a mental illness up until 74 they changed in a 74 some people thought homosexuality would never be considered normal in 74 but it was never illegal it was never illegal but here's the thing once you say something is normal it's easy to make it legal so if this pedophilia piece gets accepted as normal behavior no way okay that's a step to work death to all gay people were born gay you think that there's totally yeah most of them most of them not exclusively when I find three major reasons for homosexuality and lesbianism number one the the absentee of that same-sex parent when a boy excuse me opposite sex parent no same-sex parent when the boy doesn't get the love of his father that can create a thirst in him for masculine energy no stay with me I'm saying with you what he wants is a father he wants that because a boy has a love affair with his dad not sexual but psychological your dad is who makes you a man if that dad was not there to do that sometimes your thirsts your desire for that parental masculine a supervisory figure can lead you to hunt for it and what is nothing more than a love or need for a father gets misunderstood and reinterpreted by popular culture as your desire to have sex with that man that what little man called baby daddy probably you see I will do anything but but but but but you follow me on that you see I didn't have my father I still need that validation from a man when I get older I'm looking at men and I'm craving his love is that true Otis happens you think is homosexual it's not homosexual you just need that masculine nourishment that you never got same thing with the girl she never had a mom she's still thirsty for that but I will say this but females lesbianism is often triggered okay by abuse sexual physical and verbal by males and a lot of teenage lesbian sisters who were not sexually assaulted end up becoming lesbian because of this growing hatred and dissatisfaction with black manhood and what it can do for them and even for other cultures for a growing dissatisfaction with the role that the man is playing so for example when I talk to the lesbian students in the schools they'll tell me I know I wasn't born gay I chose this dr. Umar because men ain't no damn good I've been raped up in beat I've been abused my daddy ain't been there why do I want to be with one of y'all I rather be with a woman what's the flip side to a lot of girls are dabbling in it now because the guys think it's cool it's cool yeah you can get turned out into it I've seen that too children with low self-esteem Outsiders they are particularly susceptible to being recruited by the lesbian and gay gangs because they're Outsiders but also because sometimes men in order to keep a man like well he can't just be with me so I'm gonna get down with the program and i'ma sleep with other women too because I know that's what he once he was to have Teresa I see I hear a lot of that stuff of women doing stuff even don't women doing things that day man one orders freaky-deaky two three woman's stuff the relationship ends and now she feels hurt because I've done something extra that I'm ashamed about with a man I'm no longer wit you see but the thing with women and relationships okay they need to come to the relationship with rules they need to know principals what I'm not willing to do regardless because if you're not married to him he can walk away at any moment he could do the same thing in marriage but at least there's some semblance of a commitment but to be donut is sexual stuff like this having all these escapades he walks away now you felt you know how many emails I get from women it's and I've done this and I've done this and now I just fell using abuse why did you do it you gotta take some responsibility in this you don't go that far with a man who you ain't got no commitment from but because of the mass incarceration of black men so many women are so thirsty like it sure it is I gotta do this because I'm not gonna have a man and unfortunately a lot of them were modeled inappropriate behavior by their mothers for a lot of women black-white rich-poor having a man is part of their definition of being a woman and when having a man is part of your definition of being a woman any man will do just so you can feel like a female now you're a psychiatrist you know like everything is saying the homosexuality part always confused me I got a lot of homosexual friends and always say if they tell me that they were born gay I got no choice but to believe but here's the thing you don't know what you were born none of us do you understand especially when you're dealing with psychological issues for example some African Americans that was born hating myself because of the legacy of self-hate taught through slavery he wasn't born that way it was passed down into generation for example of said alcoholism is in the family a lot of psychologists will argue this I don't agree with that alcoholism is in the family not for the DNA but I grew up seeing my father drink I grew up seeing my grandmother drink it's gets passed down materialism you're gonna tell me materialism is in your DNA so the grand mom you know was in love with expensive things the mom was in love with expensive things that a daughter is in love with expensive thing so remember again if you open up the door and say this isn't your DNA then everything is in your DNA and if you're a person of color you got to be very careful about that because the science of eugenics which is white racism says what every behavior and character flaw of african-american people was passed down through the DNA they say we rob we kill we sell drugs and we steal because of defective DNA they claim behaviors are DNA based homosexuality as an act okay if you're gonna claim that that's DNA base then guess what you open up the door for them to also argue well if sexuality is based in a DNA maybe selling drugs on the corner maybe not marrying your women maybe having 50 kids out of wedlock maybe that's also a DNA base if you open up the door for behavior to be blamed on DNA instead of circumstantial situations you're gonna hug a whole new ballgame here so okay you want to open this school for boys right Frederick Douglass Marcus Garvey Academy and we're trying to purchase the st. Paul's College which is a historically black college in Lawrenceville Virginia you went to Hampton so you might be familiar with st. Paul's okay right up the road and it's been closed since 2012 they want two million dollars for the school so I went down there I met with the president did the tour yada yeah and we've been trying to raise that two million so far we raised a half of a million okay we still got one point five more to go I'm hoping we can get this school before someone else does it would be perfect because it's in the middle of nowhere it surrounded by african-american community it'll be the perfect setting to get your children out of the inner-city detox them for the first six months ain't no video games ain't no none of that stuff okay we got to remake you detox all that filth from the hood and we're gonna teach you character self discipline we will have agricultural science they have to learn how to grow their own food political and military signs they have to understand the world in which they live why are so many black males being murdered by the police why was Obama made president there's reasons for all of this why's Africa the most minerally rich continent on the face of the earth but yet the people all the ports I want them to understand the world that they live in what exactly is white supremacy okay know that okay Wow are black folks in the condition I in even though we're the temperatures nation on the face of the earth gross in a trillion dollars and yet we ain't got schools hospitals and none of that there's reasons for all of this we're also going to give them a dietary and nutritional curriculum where they know how to eat to live because 85% of black folk are dying from preventable diet-related disease them chicken wings are killing us McDonald's it's killing us so they need to learn how to eat to live there will also be a financial curriculum by the time they finish the ninth grade they can do their own taxes by the time they've done a tenth grade they will have their own business plan by the time they've done the eleventh grade they will have their own portfolio they will know how to invest in the stock market by the time they conclude the 11th why we lose they'll pay for all this what these students do what the parents will pay tuition and don't underestimate black parents ability to pay tuition because they painted at these why lose all the time I'm doing IQ tests every day from folks I'm looking at I'm like you can afford $15,000 a year yeah I could do it for both my children they would do it the reason our parents are sending the kids to the white schools there's no black private schools that they feel are up to the standard of what their child I feel like you know HEC use get a bad rap because I feel like parents don't necessarily think that kids who get the same education and the same look on life when it's the stereotype but also HBCUs are taking a hammer because the white schools predominantly white institutions have stepped up their recruitment of black children see 75 years ago you couldn't go to Harvard and Yale just because of color your skin now Harvard and Yale got scholarship just for blood look at Harvard they got a scholarship we have you from the hood and you got a 4.0 in a perfect SAT we paying your whole ride that's a quarter of a million education you don't pay a penny so because the PW is are stepping up their recruitment and the black colleges are not think about it Envy look at Hamptons recruitment for new students and then look at University of Virginia's recruitment for new students you might see Hampton at some of the college fairs but most of the black schools only goes to the black college fair go to all the college fairs start recruiting more no no too many in fact a lot of them are at risk of not being HBCUs no more because like Howard and others they're recruiting so many white students that now the black students are getting concerned whether or not this is still historically HBCU and half the HBCUs are about to be shut down anyway because then got the money remember these colleges were started with what land grant money you can't index lace off the money they had so just a state exactly but with the inflation you can operate that school unless you have a serious benefactor who won't keep that money flowing now I'm gonna put the hip-hop community okay on this one the reason Harvard and Yale are doing as good as Harvard and Yale is doing because their alumni right come back and contribute in significant amounts I don't know what puff is doing for Howard he might be doing son but if you not puff you need to handle that Oprah you went to Tennessee State what you're doing for Tennessee State and even if you didn't go to a black college Shawn Carter okay Beyonce card y'all need to dot one of these schools LeBron e 2.1 B schools a little why I needed that one of these school use especially people in the industry you know when I was in school they look they'd look down on it they frowned upon the music industry and I know the [Applause] université frowned upon music industry they wanted to be they want you to go to Wall Street they want to dilute the White Collar but you're also highlight one of our biggest weaknesses as a people the work product that we own exclusively is music it's America's second leading export you mean to tell me that hip-hop is a black product a trillion dollar economy and we don't control no share it up that's insane right imagine if we control black music it's the second largest export from America if you control that every community would have what it needs from hospital to jobs and so on so we got a look at how we going back to our issues of loving everybody else and not loving ourselves enough why did we create so much and pass it over to people outside the culture and then when mclemore Eminem get album of the year is considered the best rapper of all time we get upset but you're the one who made it comfortable for them to come in and colonize your art form because you said all music matters and not just black music matters if you notice with cultural products most cultures they build a protection around it you'll see Jewish culture being exploited you see Mexican culture being exploited you'll see East Indian culture being exploited the only culture that gets exploited on the globe is black culture because we feel there's something wrong with saying that this is for black folks primarily you can partake but we do be on in darling multicultural like we hope it was money in it so it was going to expand regardless you see you look at the straight out of Compton you understand easy and I'm still directed to content of a music Jerry Heller got paid off of it so you could have expanded and still maintain control okay over the product we didn't have to sell it out remember back in the 80s if you was signed to a major or doing some crossover music they said you sold out everybody didn't did it now you see what I'm saying because everybody was chasing that dollar and the issue with music is you got to make a decision exposure versus control of the product if I want exposure I'm assigned to a major I'm not exposure I want I'm gonna be billboard top ten but how much of the cells I'm actually recruiting it's almost like sharecropping black music you're sharecropping you're producing the product and then a company is keeping most of what you what you said earlier all in education it's all an education education is only what you taught it's all when I graduated school and I and I was in the music industry my mom and dad was like nah you got to get a regular job you got to go to Wall Street they didn't believe in owning your own you know I mean and and most black parents African Americans they don't believe they don't know how to teach their children how to undo that was the culture that was raised then how to do to stop okay they don't know how to invest in business they don't know so if they don't know they can't teach their children and if we don't have school we don't have jack-and-jill programs you don't have CC use next time but the problem is that the Jack and Jill's are so watered down the HBCUs is so bad right now you feel like me as a farmer feel like Iran I prefer my daughter go to an Ivy League school because I feel like she'll have a better opportunity but we here's the thing if the community were organized there wouldn't necessarily be a problem with your daughter going Ivy League because there would be a reason why she's going she's going Ivy League for a particular reason but Charlemagne son he might need to go to an HBCU for this reason the problem is because we're disorganized we cannot determine what is and what is not in the best interest of the community as a collective because we're disorganized think about we don't even have a professional inventory we don't know how many black teachers we got we don't know how many black barbers we got we don't know how many black psychologists we got we might got certain professions that have so many black folk in them no other black child can go to school for this we don't care how much you love it you're choosing something else that's what Asian communities do that's what these Indian communities do you don't just run off the college and well this is what I want to study uh-huh what you study must be relevant for us as a people you won't be a doctor exactly and they tell you they tell you in China they will tell you you will be and guess what they won't argue what you know why cuz I want to serve my people and if serving my people means getting this em deal this PhD or this JD that's what I'm gonna do but in the black community is each man for himself whatever you want to do whatever you want to be I get this money doctor the money thing is relevant and one of our big issues with our young people why they dropping out of school like crazy is because they're not making no money when we went to school we had work-study once you get high school couple hours of learning in a day afternoon you was wanted which work-study yet now that's true so black kids are dropping out of school because they're saying Shakespeare and Columbus is not gonna put no cash in my pocket now the question because how do you blame them for selling dope when there's no economy for them a african-american child has the single most difficult time of finding employment in the United States according to the Department of Labor they will hire a child who doesn't speak English but for their hire an african-american child because of the stereotype so if you don't know why kids are still in cars and hustling credit cards and selling crack nobody will give them a job crime you're not born a criminal criminals are made by the society and the mother of all crime is Miss Education and the father of all crime is economic castration if you don't give me a decent education and you don't give me a job I am a criminal waiting take me I got six degrees but take my PhD take three my certifications I'll be out there selling crack doing something I would have never thought about doing to feed my two daughters because we got to recognize my people and don't know how they're going to eat from day to day that creates a psychology of desperation and panic and you'll do things you never even thought about doing it's easy to judge people when you're comfortable which is why I tell black educated folks because they can be very bourgeoisie I can't stand those Bouazizi who grew up men together got a masters and doctor now you acting like you forgot what it was like to be in the hood and now you want to judge these children instead of providing a way for these children I don't think you should make any decisions out of desperation but when I was growing up my mother owned a cycle Anna and I sold drugs I didn't have to like I could have went and got a job at Walmart I could have stayed in school but I chose just to be out there just because of Association like it was and a lot of children do but here's the question you could have got a job at Walmart the question is does Walmart have enough jobs or do they have enough willing that they were willing to give to all the African American males your age and that part of South Carolina so you also have to talk about opportunity because we can say there's some jobs out there but are there enough jobs for every African American in America to fill of course not and one of the reasons you have mass incarceration one of the reasons you have police extermination of black males is because we're no longer needed for the American economy to function this is the reality that black folks don't want to add in it we're not needed we were brought here to serve they don't need you in GMC they don't need you in McDonald's they have over four million undocumented illegal immigrants who are willing to work that job for less than minimum wage no health benefits no workers comp or none of that that's why the illegal immigrants are allowed to stay in the country so they can take the place of the lowest minority in this country which is the African know what I feel - you know but I feel like sometimes you don't believe in any in each other we don't meaning like if you get an accountant you know it's already in our mind that you need a white accountant oh you need a white lawyer or you need a white agent or you need a white dis a white lawyer and I feel like sometimes that happens because we don't believe in our so most black musicians have white accounts from hip-hop to R&B they all got white account Louis before example I'm talking about my fundraiser for the school right now okay let's say one of these and I hope they do write a check you know what I mean these matter what do you do you gonna have to put that check in another mess but no seriously we need if you want to donate to the fundraiser you go to go fund me.com /dr Umar go fund me.com /dr um AR now when you're looking to go from you've only raised 160 but most of my donations have been Mellon checks and money orders people don't check don't trust the internet so but we raised a half million in a year that's great but the problem with that if we only raising 1/2 million a year in the school calls 2 million yeah about four years thank you that's gonna be so I need I need a check I need a check I need jay-z I need that check puff I know you listen to puff and we tax-exempt so they can write it off on a taxes help me get this school so we can give our boys a new reality I like everything you said it's gonna be hard to get a checker you said that jay-z called jay-z jay-z and use not not no I didn't know you stay with me stay with me you talk about you first thing I got no son about YouTube I don't have my own YouTube channel but that's not you know listen okay every every video on YouTube was uploaded by someone else and they choose the title the ones who escaped you you understand so you pick up a thing dr. umar says all homosexual should be killed I didn't say that never you watch the video you'll see I said that because you did say jay-z LeBron over his job is to deflect from black issues well that's the job of the black bourgeoisie period if you're on that level your job is to take attention away from issues that affect black folks and put it on all lives matter that doesn't mean they're not trying to break through though you understand I've heard some things and some of jay-z's lyrics that has me thinking he wants to try to break through but look at who he signed to so he got to be careful with the way he moved because you know what happens on that level so I got especially at they watch the rich blacks more than they watch the blacks in the ghetto because the rich blacks have the financial wherewithal to change our situation Oprah can build ten supermarkets tomorrow and put ten thousand black folks to work jay-z can put ten hospitals up overnight so they watch the rich blacks may weigh more closer than us because they got the economic wherewithal to change things oh you can best believe Oprah phone tap jay-z phone tap huh phone tap you see and I do got lines of connections to a lot of these folk and everybody coming back with the same message dot they love you they watch your work but they scared to be affiliated with you but my thing is watch the money you can put it through somebody else's hands and have them get it to me so I'm not buying that excuse okay and my thing is this even if you don't support me support to HBCUs with all the black celebrities we got football basketball rapid in entrepreneurship every black college should have a black entrepreneurial sponsor jay-z and Beyonce one school assure one school puff one school Rick Ross one school LeBron one school Carmelo one school why these black colleges shutting down Wilberforce in trouble Cheney in trouble southern in trouble huh you got a millionaire sitting on money now supporting dr. Umar might be quote-unquote radical but you can support an HBCU Roger because guess what envy half of our black professionals come from HBCUs if you get rid of the HBCU we're your doctors coming from what your lawyers coming from we a psychologist we're your teachers coming from if the HBCU shutdown is over for the rest of Germany in trouble becaus enrollments down nobody wants to go to these schools because it's the combination but why is there Roma down they don't have the type of money to afford the type of marketing that a lot of predominantly white institutions can afford that's why they need the black support remember most colleges operate off of building foundations from alumni dollars the black colleges need the same thing where is the black money and don't get me wrong we're in no place to tell jay-z or Oprah or anybody else puff how to spend your money I know they went through hell to get where they got and I'm respectful of that but I'm saying you stand on the shoulders of people Jay you where you at because the folks who came before you Oprah you where you at because of folks who came before you going back to madam CJ Walker the first female a millionaire or billionaire in America you're all standing puff you stand on shoulders so remember that a little bit and give back we got to give back that's our history where would we be now if Frederick Douglas the Harriet Tubman of Marcus Garvey said dr. King said I'm only going to do this but you got to pay me yes Frederick Douglass is my great-great great-great grand uncle uh he and my great-great great-great-grandfather Steven Henry Bailey we're brothers raised on a st. Plantation in fact I'm starring Frederick Douglas for the first time in a stage play at the Frederick Douglass Resource Center Rochester New York which is where he's buried where he's lived on Saturday December the 19th 6 o'clock to 9 o'clock Frederick Bellas Resource Center I will be playing Frederick Douglass I got the wig I got the clothes and I would do justice to my ancestor conscious [ __ ] because he's gonna bring that up Charlie I said they said ooh ma Charlamagne gonna bring up the country because I want to give you a million and I lost it because because of the conscious okay I met his sister online no I was the keynote speaker at the Marcus Garvey celebration of Fort Lauderdale Florida last year ok August the 17th 2014 she came to the event with her son ok I took a picture with him she text me the picture she said by the way I'm from Philadelphia no problem sis when you come on up let's hang out she was dressed cultural hair wrapped up dashiki dress on consciousness we link up two months later I'm over in Birmingham England keynote in African liberation day in England and my phone start blowing up she's all over the internet dr. Umar Johnson dated me I'm a stripper that I did it up you didn't tell me that I'm supposed to know your strip I've never been to a strip club in my life so this was the case of a woman okay she basically tried to pull a superhit on me I am going to destroy this man despite what he's trying to do to save our children I'm gonna destroy him to try to make myself famous before that campaign to try to destroy my credibility nobody knew her now she has tens of thousands of followers it hurts because why would you do that to somebody working like me okay telling people I'm not serious about my school this is all a joke I saw you three times sister we were together three times Charlotte me how do you get all this information from a man you saw three times within a period of nine days did you have sex we have relations okay but that don't justify this and it definitely doesn't justify you attacking my school now if you want to slander me slander me sometimes people do that when they don't get what they want out of a relation but to attack this man's program to save our kids something you know nothing about something he never discussed with you that was wrong yeah like you said I love you to a man that's what hurt me don't mess with that that is my life work that's my pride and when it come to saving black children black boys don't mess with that and you think it's because like you know you speak the way that you speak and it's almost it's not a wholly of the dial thing I don't think that you're doing that but people may have that I never claimed to be a people I respect black women but the two of us made a conscious decision as adults Charlamagne why does that become the conversation in the community why does that personal situation get put out there and then exploited okay lies filter why did you have to do that why don't you just have a conversation with me we never had an argument a fall out all I know is I woke up one day and this is what it was and certain websites that had never posted anything on it dr. Umar Johnson all of a sudden this was a retiree and I refused to do an interview Angie you know why interview me about the war against black boys interview me about mass incarceration interview me about what I'm doing with the fundraiser interview me about how many thousands of kids I kept out of jail kept out of special ed got out of specially kept off drug interview me about something positive interview me about Frederick Dulles Marcus Garvey don't interview me about some garbage but our people love sensationalized negativity for example that country stripper stuff those posts was getting like millions of hits I'm like my fundraiser and getting emails but some old stripper [Music] daughters I mean I'm a heterosexual man but I will tell you this though at this level of where I'm at I'm a very humble Duke I'm from North Philly 18th Street Saint block is meek stop playing that Drake hit on me okay and me come on Oh me should've killed I think I think people in this camp told him to fall back I don't know why I'm gonna relationship with Nicki but he would have killed Riggs I'm listening because I'm in Africa we just came back from Africa so I heard the Drake joint I heard the meat joint I'm like no way no way me I know you you go in I don't know him personally he grew up with my brother you know out of me but you go in so I think people got in his hair but I'm a meek mill fan you know regardless even though he's dating Nicki cuz you spoke out about black women that wear weaves let me talk about that let me talk about that in my school because I have to be open up Fred Douglas Marcus Garvey Andy it's gonna be the Anna Douglas and Amy garbage we can't leave out the girls a lot of women come at me especially the feminists they say why you're not talking about the girls well guess what if I saved your son I'm saving the girls because he's gonna be a strong black man who could be a husband to somebody's daughter but we're not gonna leave out the girls we're gonna open up the Anna Douglas Amy Garvey caddy and every girl who comes to the school must be 100 percent nappy by Nature there will be no weave perm hair color extensions in my school why because being a principal and being a therapist the number one weapon being used against brown girls and black girls is what the phenotype of beauty they believe they have to look European in order to be attractive they come to me in a second and third grade doctor ooh mom ugly you're beautiful what do you mean you look at my nose look at my skin color look at my hair they hate they self black women spend more money on cosmetics than all the other women in America put together so my school B gonna change that we're gonna make you love what God made you you don't have to be a European okay white women are attractive according to their cultural standards Asian and women are attractive according to the cultural standards and you should be attractive according to your cultural standards you should not have to unzip yourself and put on a European package to be beautiful so mom when I get married okay my queen she gonna be natural my daughters are gonna be natural but once again I disagree with it but I don't condemn nobody you understand I work with mothers all day condemned okay you fill me you know who your woman's gonna be you know we go fall in love what you might fall in love with Angela Yee and Angie's gonna come natural but she won't be coming but you said I'm not natural let me tell you why though she does this whatever that thing is pressing your hair don't you he was never here woods fresh out of bed how long well no I could tolerate the blow drop once in a while oh no no no no no that's the one to track you got the shave all that but here's bottle in the regular my you love a role model I'm a role model right my wife when I walk into a school and those girls are sitting in on chocolate little girls are sitting I can't walk in with a woman who is imitating a European standard of beauty that's a contradiction for my message you can't be with the white women at all I can't date outside my race and not because I consider the white woman I'm any less than a black woman I don't they side up date outside of my rep Rachel Dolezal is a function of your values you do not fall in love with someone if what they represent on any way shape or form is a contradiction of your values let me give an example what if I fell in love with the marketing director for the psychiatric medicine Ritalin so here I am fighting against ADHD and I'm married sleeping with the woman who's pushing ADHD in your life path cannot contradict mine for me to be real don't confuse the cultural nationalism with the lit with the with the organic nationalism and I know y'all see this a lot in hip-hop community brothers got Shiki hair light African name been the Kemet but what you doing for black folk you dress in the dress take that take that Halloween costume the costume off and what are you doing for black book cause it's easy to look cultural it's easy to be black during Kwanzaa it's easy to be black you know during Black History Month it's easy to be black were you around our black folk but do you speak truth to power on you around white folk see I'm looking for the organic people because this whole hotep thing we didn't we we are this disrespecting Black Consciousness in black culture by not doing anything besides spreading the information that's all you hear information going YouTube information information that's good we need knowledge yourself but we need institutions where's the hospital brother where's the shipping line where's the distribution network don't just keep hotel to me to death give me something that's gonna help the people because of all you got is information you know better than the church we keep talking about how to church you just swim swam in black folks you doing the same thing that pastor preaching and you preaching you ain't got nothing for the people and neither do the pastor always know when it comes to polarizing figures you can have a lot of love and a lot of hate I see where the hate comes from simply because your views on homosexuality and your views on women when you got what's my views on when they can't we're weaving wigs they don't want to hit it so all I'm gonna tell you something when I go from city to city the audience right I people who support my work and they and they support me on a regular basis I've seen sisters go without me pushing just with my message I've seen a lot of sisters go natural who I never would have thought but you know let's say I'm in Detroit December I'll come back and March like whoa you just went from blonde weave is straight baby fro you know so sisters are seeing it you got to remember something they gonna dress how we want them to look most of the sisters are dressing like this and wearing a hair like that because they think that's the only thing that brothers want a date and it's true yeah a lot of us have a Eurocentric standard of beauty but most rappers condemn dark-skinned women and they lyrics let's be honest nearly every major rapper you name has said something derogatory against dark-skinned black women oh look at the videos now I'm seeing videos now where every woman in the video is like almost white never saw that with a hood video you see it now before it was light skinned strictly that was like white girl strictly but you feminists in the hood what a darts consist is that when it caramel lad with a butter armor with a butter pecan you should have light skin too because we every shade but let every shade be represented but don't be disrespecting dark-skinned black women because that black skin that's the original color of the African that's what we look like when God put us down on earth to be natural is not I'm a therapist my job is to heal and that's the one thing I tell people well the lesbians the homosexual or black women I am a psychologist my job is to heal you will never hear me categorically disrespect or denigrate any group of people I will never do that I don't care who they are or what they are that's not dr. Umar Johnson my heart bleeds love I'm unapologetically African I'll never change that I got I have an obligation to my ancestors to finish their work okay we about to go through some stuff when Obama get out of office we want to go through some stuff you think you saying police brutality now you ain't seen nothing they about to take us back to Reconstruction and civil rights and we need to be ready and the way you get ready is to get organized but it's hard to organize this y'all because we love to fight over petty stuff we want to fight over religion we want to fight over skin color we want to fight over the neighborhood we want to fight over political ideology he's a more he's in a whopping he's a pan-african is he's a black why you fight nobody's stuff me and Charlemagne I have two different ideologies all four of us my let's come together for the purpose of building a school the purpose of stopping violence in the neighborhood the purpose of building a hospital the purpose of giving to the world the first totally independent black musically purpose my ideology not religion but the purpose stop looking for people to be perfect to right that's the thing I think please do that please do that thing I think about is losing oh he comes off like this but he does that so what I can be righteous is my thing this when people criticize me who in these streets fighting to save our kids from prison expulsion special ed ADHD more than me if you can name a person I want to know their name don't nobody put it in like me I'm in jails you don't know I'm in jails I'm in schools you don't norman smooth I'm evaluating children helping pen you don't even half the stuff I do you don't know cuz I don't believe that my credit should come from the people my credit comes from the most high that's the only person who needs to see the work that dr. Umar Johnson does but I'm not just one of these conscious black lecturers running around talking getting paid I'm not no culture pimp when you give me money that money go right back out we about to do the black boy college tour next spring okay and we're gonna do that off the money I raise that to three kings in Brooklyn with David Banner myself and dr. Claude Anderson we were the three speakers so my money go right back into the people I'm all about the people I never was in love with money like that I respect it because I know we need it but I'm not in love with money like that I came from nothing Athens susquehanna North Philly my parents I have nothing so I know what it's like not to have and I will never look down on somebody because they not while I'm at these six degrees I could lose that tomorrow all this I got I can lose that tomorrow all you got is your character your principles and your heart and your soul Fahmy at dr. Umar Johnson comm dr um ar Johnson comm I repeat dr um AR Johnson comm and you can follow me on twitter and instagram at dr. Umar Johnson one word dr um AR Johnson alright it's The Breakfast Club good morning

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Published: Mon Aug 31 2015