COUNTRY UNDER JOE BIDEN AS PRESIDENT. 65% OF VOTERS FEEL AMERICA IS ON THE WRONG TRACK. >> Brian: WE ARE NOW IN DANGER OF FAILING AS A NATION AS WE COME UP ON 250th YEAR ANNIVERSARY. >> Ainsley: DR. JORDAN PETERSON IS HERE TO REACT. GOOD MORNING. >> GOOD MORNING. >> Ainsley: WHAT IS YOUR REACTION TO THIS? >> I THINK IF YOU SPEND 40 YEARS DEMORALIZING PEOPLE THAT IT WORKS. AND WE'VE SPENT PROBABLY MORE THAN 40 YEARS. SINCE THE MID-60s WE'VE BEEN ON A CAMPAIGN CLUB OF ROME TYPES WHO CLAIMED THE WORLD WAS OVER POPULATED AND WE WERE HEADED TO HELL IN A HAND BASKET, NO EVIDENCE THAT ANY OF THAT IS TRUE. THE IDEA WAS THAT BY THE YEAR 2000 EVERYONE WOULD BE STARVING TO DEATH AND COMMODITY PRICES WOULD SHOOT THROUGH THE ROOF, COULDN'T TOLERATE 3 BILLION PEOPLE, 4 BILLION PEOPLE, ALL OF THAT IS UTTER NONSENSE, THERE IS ABSOLUTELY NO SHORT OF RESOURCES, WE ARE A WORLD RECORD HARVESTS THIS YEAR AND ALL YOU HEAR IS DOOM AND GLOOM. YOU KNOW, I'VE BEEN THINKING ABOUT THAT A LOT. AND BECAUSE I TEND TO THINK THINGS PSYCHOLOGICALLY, OBVIOUSLY. MY SENSE IS PEOPLE WHO WANT TO GARNER POWER TO THEMSELVES USE FEAR. I THINK THAT'S HOW YOU CAN TELL REAL LEADER FROM WANNA BE TYRANTS, IF THEY WANT TO TERRORIZE YOU, THEY ARE TYRANTS NOT LEADERS. >> Steve: JORDAN, WHO ARE THE 35% WHO THINK THEY ARE ON THE RIGHT TRACK? WHO ARE THOSE PEOPLE? >> PROBABLY PEOPLE WHO ARE TEMPERAMENT ALE OPTIMISTIC, SOMEWHAT WHAT DETERMINES PEOPLE'S ATTITUDES ABOUT THE FUTURE VARIES WITH THE CIRCUMSTANCES, SOME PEOPLE ARE SO OPTIMISTIC THAT EVEN IF THEY ARE IN A CRISIS THEY ARE NOT GOING TO BE UPSET. >> Brian: THAT IS A GOOD THING. >> THE MOST UNHAPPY PEOPLE, THE MOST UNHAPPY PEOPLE ARE LIBERAL MEN. AND THEN I THINK THE NEXT MOST UNHAPPY PEOPLE ARE LIBERAL WOMEN. AND SO, WELL, SO THE HAPPY ONES ARE OPTIMISTIC AND THEY TEND TO BE CONSERVATIVE. >> Brian: YOU TOLD ME YOU TOLD ME YOU SPEND A LOT OF TIME IN BOSTON. IS YOUR SENSE THAT AMERICA FEELS NEGATIVE ABOUT OUR OWN COUNTRY BECAUSE OF A DELIBERATE PLOT TO MAKE US NOT LIKE WHAT WE HAVE, FEEL GUILTY FOR WHAT WE'VE OBTAINED TO RECENT OUR PAST? OR IS THIS SOMETHING THAT JUST HAPPENED? DO YOU THINK IT'S SOMEONE SCRIPTING THIS? >> WELL, I THINK THERE IS TWO THINGS HAPPENING, THE CULTURE WAR IS A WAR BETWEEN SYSTEMS OF IDEAS. AND IT'S ESSENTIALLY A WAR BETWEEN THE IDEAS THAT ARE PART AND PARCEL OF THE CLASSIC WESTERN TRADITION GROUNDED IN THE BIBLICAL CORPUS, ESSENTIALLY. JUDEO CHRISTIAN CULTURE AND THE COUNTER REACTION TO THAT IS KIND OF WHAT POST ENLIGHTENMENT MARXISM. SO, YOU HAVE A WAR BETWEEN TWO SETS OF IDEAS. YOU ALSO HAVE PEOPLE ACTING DIRECTLY IN A QUASI CONSPIRATOR REMANNER. LIKE I SAID EARLIER, THAT THE PLANET IS GOING TO HELL IN A HAND BASKET, SOMETHING HAS TO BE DONE ABOUT THAT EMERGENCY, WE ARE THE PROBLEM. >> Brian: WE ARE THE PROBLEM. >> TOO MANY HUMAN BEINGS ON THE PLANET. PEOPLE WHO THINK THERE ARE TOO MANY PEOPLE ON THE PLANET, THAT IS NOT A GOOD THING TO THINK, THAT'S SOMETHING WITH GENOCIDAL IMPLICATIONS. >> Brian: JUST ABOUT OUR COUNTRY IN PARTICULAR, THERE IS SO MUCH TO LIKE, A COUNTRY TOO BOAST FULL, ENOUGH WITH AMERICA BEING THE GREATEST AND WE WALK ON WATER, WE DIDN'T SEE OUR PROBLEMS, NO YOU ALL WE SEE IS PROBLEMS, WHAT HAPPENED TO THAT SCHOOL OF THOUGHT, YOUR TEAM WAS THE BEST TEAM AND THE PROBLEM MAY BE FOR CRITICS WOULD BE THE ARROGANCE OF AMERICANS. NOW WE HAVE NO SELF-ESTEEM, WE WANT TO APOLOGIAS TO EVERYBODY. WHEN DID THAT HAPPEN OR DO YOU NOT SEE IT? >> I THINK THAT EMERGED OUT OF THE 60'S. I THINK THE UNIVERSITIES HAD A LOT TO DO WITH THAT. THE LEFT WING TYRANNICAL TYPES ARE PARTICULARLY GOOD AT MANIPULATING GUILT. THAT WORKS QUITE WELL ON CONSERVATIVES BECAUSE CONSERVATIVES TEND TO BE BE MORE CONSCIENTIOUS, IF YOU ACCUSE A CONSERVATIVE OF MORAL I AM PROPRIETY THEY ARE TAKING THAT SERIOUSLY. IF YOU SAY TO SOMEONE WHO IS MORE CONSCIENTIOUS, YOU ARE MORE SEXIST THAN YOU COULD BE, RACIST THAN YOU COULD BE, THE CONSERVATIVE TYPE IS GOING TO THINK I AM REALLY NOT PERFECT AND THERE ARE WAYS I COULD IMPROVE AND LOOK AT MYSELF. AND THAT'S FINE. BECAUSE YOU SHOULD LOOK AT YOURSELF. BUT THE PROBLEM WITH IT IS IT ALLOWS THE PSYCHOPATH I CAN TYPES THAT ARE MANIPULATIVE AND POWER HUNGRY TO USE YOUR GUILT AS A LEVER. THE LEFT IN PARTICULAR ESPECIALLY THE RADICAL LEFT AND THOSE ARE WHERE THE REAL PSYCHOPATH I CAN TYPES HANG OUT, THEY ARE GOOD AT MANIPULATING GUILT. THEY ARE UNBELIEVABLY GOOD AT IT, EVERYBODY'S GOT SOMETHING TO FEEL GUILTY ABOUT WHICH IS SOMETHING THAT TYRANTS KNOW. >> Brian: NOT AINSLEY. >> Ainsley: I REFER TO HIM -- THERE HAVE BEEN PLENTY. >> REPENTED OR QUIT INDULGING IN THEM. >> Ainsley: QUIT INDULGING, THIS IS NOT ABOUT ME DR. PETERSON. THAT IS BETWEEN ME AND MY GOD. >> RIGHT, RIGHT, AS IT SHOULD BE. >> Ainsley: I WANTED TO ASK MARRIAGE STATISTICS, ONE IN FOUR RULING OUT KIDS. I'M WONDERING IF THEY'LL CHANGE THEIR MINDS WHEN THEY GET OLDER, I FOCUSED ON MY CAREER AND THEN THE CHILDREN I WANTED TO HAVE KIDS IN MY LATE 30s. 2 OUT OF 5 THINK MARRIAGE IS AN OUTDATED TRADITION, THAT'S PRETTY SAD. >> I MEAN, IF YOU CONVINCE YOUNG PEOPLE AS WE HAVE THAT THE PLANET IS GOING TO HELL IN HAND BASKET AND TOO MANY PEOPLE AND CHILDREN PRODUCE TOO MUCH EXCESS COD, CARBON DIOXIDE, THE MORAL KIDS ARE WORRYING ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT THAT'S APPROPRIATE, RESPONSIBLE KIDS HAVE AN EXTRA REASON FOR NOT DOING ANYTHING THAT'S VAGUELY MATURE. THE PROBLEM WITH THAT IS THAT WHAT THE HELL IS THE ALTERNATIVE? I MEAN, PEOPLE WHO ARE ALONE ESPECIALLY IN UNVOLUNTARILY THEY GO CRAZY. WE ALL NEED PEOPLE AROUND US TO TAP US INTO SHAPE, THAT'S HOW WE STAY SAFE. >> Ainsley: SOME PEOPLE ARE STAYING IN RELATIONSHIPS AND NOT GETTING MARRIED. DIVORCE 50%, HIGHER THAN THAT IN THE CHURCH. >> YEAH, YEAH. WELL, YEAH, WELL PEOPLE ALSO WILL ASSUME THAT WHAT IS IT? THE UNMARRIED PEOPLE WHO STAY TOGETHER MAKE A BIG MISTAKE BECAUSE THEY NEVER -- THEY NEVER COMMIT FORMALLY TO EACH OTHER. AND THERE IS A STRANGE IDEA LURKING UNDER THAT. BECAUSE TO ME THE PROCESS OF LIVING TOGETHER MEANS SOMETHING LIKE THIS, SO IF I TELL YOU, WELL, WE'LL MOVE INTO TOGETHER AND SEE HOW IT GOES. BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT YOU MEAN WHEN YOU SAY LET'S MOVE IN TOGETHER. YOU ARE BASICALLY SAYING SOMETHING LIKE, WELL WE'LL TAKE EACH OTHER FOR A TEST RUN LIKE WE MIGHT HAVE A USED CAR BUT KEEP TO OURSELVES THE POSSIBILITY A SHIFT UPWARD IN CASE WE MEET SOMEONE BETTER. YOU HAVE TO SAY, YEAH, I HAVE A RIGHT TO UPGRADE, YOU WILL DO FOR NOW BUT I HAVE A RIGHT TO UPGRADE. IT'S A REAL INSULT TO THE PERSON THAT YOU ARE WITH. IT'S AN INSULT TO YOURSELF, TOO. YOU DON'T REALLY COMMIT. BECAUSE YOU ALWAYS HAVE A BACK DOOR OPEN. THE PROBLEM WITH NOT COMMITTING TO A LONG-TERM RELATIONSHIP, THE BLOODY THING IS GOING TO FAIL, LIFE IS VERY DIFFICULT. WITH SOMETHING LIKE A RELATIONSHIP THAT'S SUPPOSED TO SPAN THE DECADES IF YOU ARE NOT IN IT'S NOT GOING TO WORK. >> Brian: KEEP YOUR EYE ON THE EXIT. >> THAT'S RIGHT. IF THERE IS ANY BACK DOOR AT ALL AND ANY REASON TO TAKE IT YOU ARE GOING TO TAKE IT. LIKE IF I KNOW I CAN LEAVE YOU I AM NOT GOING TO HAVE TO DISCUSS ANYTHING DIFFICULT WITH YOU. IF I KNOW I'M STUCK WITH YOU FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE I MIGHT HAVE ENOUGH -- >> Brian: YOU WANT TO A PLAYER PLAYING FOR A CONTRACT IN THE FINAL YEAR, EVERY YEAR THEY ARE PLAYING FOR A RENEWAL, YOU COULD GET A BETTER PERFORMANCE YEAR TO YEAR, YOU DON'T TAKE ANYTHING FOR GRANTED. >> WELL I THINK YOU CAN'T TAKE ANYTHING GRANTED WITHIN THE CONFINES OF A MARRIAGE, MAYBE I MISUNDERSTOOD WHAT YOU MEANT. UNLESS WELL UNLESS YOU CONTINUE TO RENEGOTIATE, YOU LOSE TRACK OF EACH OTHER. YOU HAVE TO BE ON YOUR BEST GAME ALL THE TIME. >> Steve: YOU SHOULD BE ANYWAY. JORDAN, TALKING ABOUT THE SURVEY, A LOT OF PEOPLE THINK KIDS IN COLLEGE ARE PREDOMINANTLY LEANING WAY TO THE LEFT. NOW THERE IS A NEW SURVEY THAT HAS COME OUT THAT HAS SHOWN THAT 12th GRADE HIGH SCHOOL BOYS ARE TRENDING CONSERVATIVE WHEREAS 12th GRADE HIGH SCHOOL GIRLS ARE TRENDING TO THE PROGRESSIVE SIDE. >> YEAH, YEAH. >> Brian: WHY SUDDENLY ARE THESE YOUNG MEN ABOUT TO ENTER COLLEGE, THE WORKFORCE OR WHATEVER, BECOMING MORE CONSERVATIVE. >> BECAUSE THEY'VE BEEN LISTENING TO JOE ROGEN. THAT'S DEFINITELY PART OF IT. >> Brian: YOU'RE NOT KIDDING? >> I'M NOT KIDDING. I'M NOT KIDDING AT ALL. THERE IS A COUNTER CULTURE MOVEMENT. I THINK THE YOUNG MEN TILTING IN THAT DIRECTION ARE AT THE FOREFRONT, THERE WILL BE A FIVE YEAR LAG, THE YOUNG MEN WILL GET THERE FIRST. >> Ainsley: ON THAT NOTE. >> Brian: COMBAT SPORTS, ZUCKERBERG NOW DOING IT. A LOT OF PEOPLE TRYING TO GET -- ALL RIGHT, IF SOCIETY IS TRYING TO FEMME INIZE ME I AM GOING TO PUSHBACK IN SOME WAY AND FIND A CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT. >> THERE IS DANGER IN THAT, TOO, PEOPLE ARE MORE EXTREME ON PRO MASCULINE SIDE, ANDREW TATE SPRING TO MIND BECOME ATTRACTIVE TOO MEN THAT HAVE BEEN FEMME FEMININIZED ANSWERS IN WHEN DOES IT SWING BACK THE OTHER WAY, THE SCHOOLS, TEACHING SEX TO OUR CHILDREN, A LOT OF PEOPLE HAD A PROBLEM WITH WHAT RON DeSANTIS DID DOWN IN FLORIDA, I HAVE A CHILD GOING INTO SECOND GRADE, WE DON'T TALK ABOUT SEX, AT ALL, SHE KNOWS GOD MADE A BABY IN A MOM'S TUMMY. >> THE ANSWER TO THE PROBLEM OF E EDUCATION AT SCHOOL, WE'LL TAKE OUR KIDS OUT OF THE SCHOOLS. I THINK THE WHOLE SYSTEM WILL LAST. IF THE REPUBLICAN GOVERNORS HAVE A LICK OF SENSE, ESPECIALLY WITH REGARD TO LONG-TERM PLANNING THAT THEY WOULD TAKE TEACHER CERTIFICATION AWAY FROM EDUCATION, FACULTIES OF EDUCATION ARE WHAT YOU SAY ARE ROTTEN CENTRAL IN THE UNIVERSITY SYSTEM AND THEY HAVE A COMPLETE HAMMER LOCK ON TEACHER CERTIFICATION, A RIP ON THE WHOLE -- >> Brian: I WANT YOU TO TALK ABOUT YOUR ONLINE UNIVERSITY. >> WELL, YOU KNOW I'M NOT HAPPY WITH WHAT THE UNIVERSITIES HAVE DONE OVER THE LAST LET'S SAY 20 YEARS. >> Brian: WHICH YOU HAVE BEEN A PART OF. >> YEAH, UNTIL ABOUT SIX YEARS AGO. WE'RE TRYING TO PUT A SYSTEM ONLINE, PETERSON ACADEMY, THAT WILL DROP THE COST OF A BACHELOR'S DEGREE TO $4000, WE CAN FIND THE BEST LECTURERS IN THE WORLD, SET EXTREMELY, -- WHAT WOULD YOU SAY, SEVERE AND HIGH QUALITY ACCREDITATION STANDARDS FOR THE GRADUATES SO PEOPLE WHO GRADUATE WILL BE STAMPED WITH A DRE TENSIONAL THAT INDICATES GENUINE COMPETENCE, LITERACY, COMPETENCE, CONSCIENTIOUSNESS, THAT WHOLE SYSTEM IS RIPE FOR A EXTREME UPSET. ONLINE PETERSON ACADEMY LIKELY IN NOVEMBER. >> Ainsley: FOR THE WHOLE FOUR YEARS? IS. >> WE HOPE WE CAN DO IT CHEAPER THAN THAT. >> Steve: IS THERE A POLITICAL TILT OR TINT TO IT? >> NOT PURPOSEFULLY, THERE HADN'T BEEN A PURPOSEFUL TILT TO ANYTHING I HAVE DONE, I'VE TRIED TO SAY ANYTHING I THOUGHT WAS TRUE, THAT SENDS TO BE MORE CONSERVATIVE. THAT WASN'T PURPOSEFUL. I NEVER THOUGHT OF MYSELF AS A CONSERVATIVE. >> Steve: ARE YOU SELLING IT IS IF YOU WANT TO THINK LIKE ME. >> I'M SELLING IT IF YOU WANT TO THINK, PERIOD. IT'S A TRICKY ISSUE, IT'S REALLY -- IT'S REALLY NOT OBVIOUS WHY YOU WOULD WANT TO THINK BECAUSE IT'S RATHER PAINFUL. >> Steve: WHY THINK? >> BECAUSE ACTING OUT STUPID IDEAS IS EVEN WORSE. BUT THAT'S REALLY THE ANSWER IS WHY SHOULD YOU DEBATE WITH PEOPLE, WHY SHOULD YOU HAVE DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS WITH YOURSELF AND THE ANSWER IS TO STRAIGHTEN THINGS OUT BEFORE YOU PUT THEM INTO ACTION. NOT THINKING IS WORSE. AND PEOPLE AREN'T TAUGHT THAT WELL EITHER AND WE WOULD LIKE MAKE THAT CLEAR TO PEOPLE ENROLLING IN 9 UNIVERSITY, THINK OR DIE OR SUFFER, THOSE ARE REALLY YOUR OPTIONS. >> Brian: DON'T YOU THINK INTERACTING IS KEY, TOO, YOU WANT TO HEAR WHAT OTHER PEOPLE HAVE TO SAY AND TEST YOU AND MAKE YOU GO DEEPER IN YOUR BELIEFS. >> THERE ISN'T MUCH DIFFERENCE SPEAKING TO PEOPLE ESPECIALLY HAVING DIFFICULT CONVERSATIONS IN THINKING, WHAT YOU ARE REALLY DOING IS SETTING YOUR -- SETTING AN INTERNAL DIALOGUE UP IN YOUR HEAD. YOU MAKE YOURSELF AN ENEMY OF THE POSITION THAT YOU HOLD, YOU LET YOUR ENEMY HAVE A DAY OR LISTEN, IF YOU ARE THINKING LITERALLY, MIGHT BE TWO OR THREE PEOPLE AT THE SAME TIME HAVING AT IN YOUR HEAD, MOST PEOPLE THINK BY TALKING WHICH FREE SPEECH IS SO IMPORTANT, YOU CAN'T THINK AND IF YOU CAN'T THINK THEN YOU SUFFER. SO, THAT'S THE CAUSE -- >> Ainsley: WHAT WE NEED TO BE DOING AT HOME WITH OUR CHILDREN, WHAT DID YOUR PARENTS DO WITH YOU? >> THEY WERE ENCOURAGE BE, YOU KNOW I THINK ONE OF THE THINGS THAT REALLY DISTINGUISHED MY FAMILY TO THE DEGREE THAT IT WAS. >> Dirisha: ED, MY MOTHER WAS VERY ACCEPTING AND A VERY LOVING PERSON. BUT MY FATHER WAS A VERY ENCOURAGING PERSON WITH RELATIVELY HIGH STANDARDS, HIS PROPOSITION WAS SOMETHING LIKE, YOU COULD BE DOING BETTER, BUT I THINK YOU CAN DO IT. AND THAT'S -- THAT ENCOURAGEMENT IS EXTREMELY USEFUL. I THINK PART OF THE REASON THAT MY WORK HAS BEEN POPULAR ONLINE THAN IN THE PUBLIC DOMAIN BECAUSE IT'S ENCOURAGING. I DON'T TELL YOUNG MEN FOR EXAMPLE, THIS IS BACK TO THE ISSUE OF YOUNG MEN, YOU ARE OKAY THE WAY YOU ARE, WHAT THE HELL, WHAT YOUNG MAN WANTS TO HEAR THAT? ANY YOUNG MAN THAT HAS ANY SENSE AT ALL KNOWS PERFECTLY WELL KNOWS HE IS NOT OKAY THE WAY HE IS, WOMEN WOULD BE FLOCKING TO THEM AND THEY ARE NOT, THE REASON FOR THAT, HE HAS A LOT TO LEARN STILL. BUT YOU CAN SAY WELL YOU HAVE A LOT TO LEARN, YOU KNOW, LOOK AT YOU, YOU'RE A MESS, YOU HAVE A LOT TO LEARN. BUT YOU COULD LEARN IT AND IF YOU DID WELL MAYBE YOU WOULD MAKE SOMETHING OF YOURSELF THEN THERE IS SOME HOPE IN THAT MESSAGE, RIGHT? BECAUSE YOU THINK IF YOU JUST ACCEPTED PEOPLE THE WAY THEY ARE THEY WOULD BE HAPPY U.S. NO THEY WOULDN'T BECAUSE THEY HAVE NOTHING TO SHOOT FOR, PEOPLE WHO HAVE NOTHING TO SHOOT FOR ARE NOT HAPPY, HAPPY IS A CONSEQUENCE OF MOVING TOWARDS SOMETHING THAT YOU ARE AIMING FOR. SO, NO AIM, NO HAPPINESS, THAT IS ANOTHER GOOD THING FOR YOUNG PEOPLE TO KNOW IS TO HAVE A GOAL. TECHNICALLY, TECHNICALLY HAPPINESS OCCURS WHEN YOU SEE YOURSELF MOVING TOWARD A VALUED GOAL, THAT IS HOW IT WORKS NEUROPSYCH LOGICALLY, CHEMICALLY. SO, THE HIGHER YOUR GOAL, THE HIGHER YOUR POSSIBILITY FOR HAPPINESS EVEN THOUGH YOU HAVE TO SUFFER FROM A DISTANCE. >> Brian: YOU ARE NEVER GOING TO HAVE IT. >> THAT'S EXACTLY RIGHT, IF YOU DON'T SET A GOAL YOU WILL NEVER BE HAPPY. >> Steve: NOW LET'S HAVE SOME CHEESE. >> Brian: JORDAN PETERSON THANK YOU VERY MUCH. BILL MAHR AND JOE ROGEN LOVE HIM. GOOD LUCK WITH THE UNIVERSITY I THINK WE ARE GOING TO B
