Dota Loregasm: Secrets of the Dueling Fates

you've played dota 2 for thousands of hours but you've always wanted something more a reason to fight a deeper meaning to your battles but to know the hidden history of dota 2 must go on an adventure of a lifetime an adventure into the law we lured nerds don't really get a lot to work with these days so breaker was amazing but it was a pretty isolated incident building on the lore of the world I'm not really going into the characters or the general history we used to get the majority of our lower from item descriptions but yeah they decide not to do that anymore unless it's some high-quality immortal or Arcana but the rare lore updates that we do get are from new heroes and we got a massive boost to the lore with a new dueling fates update two new heroes each with more voice lines than ever before detailing their relationships with heroes the stories of the world and many new mysteries this is the focus of today's episode where we will cover all of the new lore given to us by the dueling fates but also talk about the new questions and mysteries these heroes give us for the future there is a ton of things to get through here so let's just jumping to the secrets of the dueling fates to begin let's go over all the new locations revealed to us by Willow and pango first up is iron fog we know pretty intimately about dark brief prison the underwater prison where criminals like slark are held in guards that may or may not be smart on patrol but iron fog appears to be the ground walkers version of a high-security prison in a world of incredibly powerful beans all we know about iron fog is that it is filled with machines and the events that transpire there are less than Pleasant when dark willow meets with tinker she says the following about this mysterious place you think I'm scared of robots you know how much time I spend in iron fog which gives off the impression that she was once in prison there Widow believes that the things that happen at iron fog are so horrific even the representation of nightmares could learn a thing or two from visiting hey bane have you seen what they did to people an iron fog it'd be great research for that nightmare thing you do now this isn't the first time that we have seen some big terrifying machines in the dota 2 world insel breaker the large galvanized Baylor's I think gal ver is another word for a jailer Patrol dark grief prison and maybe an example of the type of abominations that patrol the iron fog if it is a prison of course there's a chance that iron fog isn't a prison at all it could be a city or a settlement created by clockwork machines who torture and kill any living creature that happens upon it the smog from their bodies coating the surrounding area and a thick fog of pollution the only sounds emanating from that fog are the clanging of metal and the screams of humans yeah man we don't really know be in a place or a president willow gives us some pretty good sounding advice words of advice never visit iron default next up on our tour of places yeah probably shouldn't visit is rose-leaf where a huge important battle took place in the dota 2 world when dark willow was released she appeared with her own unique page surrounded by several items that she stole from various people and places there was meant to be unique dialogue for every one of those relics but for unknown reasons they weren't actually included in the game now you guys know me you know my rule if it's not in the game to me it's not canon that's what we discussed when the juggernaut arcana's alternate voice pack was released but never actually put in the game which subsequently did get put into the game in this update so now we have to talk about that too that's with me these voice lines that willow says about these items are good enough to be canon because she refers to things with those lines that are already referred to in the real Lord that's been released in the game so anyway here is the skinny on one of those relics the Legion flag that willow stole I found Mac said what was left of rose leaf the bronze Legion thought they were going to fend off the red mist hordes they weren't ready for what awaited them now of course the bronze Legion is the group that Legion commander leads as we saw him for comic and the red mist horde was the army that axe was once a soldier of until he murdered everyone above him becoming it their only warrior this line itself is extremely interesting for the lore for one it shows that the red mist horde has returned last time that we heard about the red mist horde they were white doubt by acts who originally began as a grunt killed all his rivals and Generals over and over until he was the last man standing in the entire army who surprisingly continued the Horde as that one-man army in the description of the blood mist belt it reads with the army of the red mist now of bloody feet the blood mist army rises to fill the void claiming that the red mist army was pretty much considered gone and a new of glory horror army had arisen to take its place now this battle may have taken place before axe destroyed the whole horde sure but the way characters talked about rose leaf it sounds like the fight was pretty recent and the red mist horde is back in full force this line also alludes to the strength of the bronze Legion who we've never really known the numbers of before now a Roman legion and real-life consisted of about three to six thousand warriors but it looks like the bronze Legion could be just as large or if not larger a full roaming and fighting force perhaps the only ones that could stand up to an ax glow be pork alright so with all that background aside what exactly happened in Rose Lee well we don't know much but here's what we know now the Legion set up positions to fend off the red mist horde and the horde came in full force at them a battle took place so large and gruesome it attracted the Bloodseeker himself who presumably arrived to soak up the spilled blood of warriors and probably spilt a little bit of blood himself willow says to the blood seeker oh I saw you years ago and rose leaf kept my distance though you know so I wouldn't get murdered now while the battle raged something weird happened something that we don't understand exactly what it could be but one hint is the trees themselves might have entered the fray what both sides don't realize is that where they clashed on happened to potentially be the sacred ground of the tree and protectors who uprooted themselves and entered into the battle willow comments to treant protector that she I admired what you did in Rose leaf I mean it was stupid but admirable painting the picture that trian and his people got themselves involved in the battle and they seemed to have been pretty successful as pango says the Legion commander you ripped what your Soudan rose-leaf trust and you will get no sympathy from me now with all that in mind it seems like the trees were able to decimate the battle at least on the legion end in my mind I imagine the Legion was trying to secure an entrenched position in front of the forest or maybe within and the plan was to fall back through the thick wood to retreat only to find death on both sides when the red mist started fighting on one front in the trees that they plan to fall back to came alive and started fighting them on another so in the head what was the significance of Rose Lee well for one I think it might be the incident that began the tria protect her story mentioned in his lore in his Laura reads that he hails from a land near the Aubrey Vale where his kind killed any that came to destroy the woods until there was a incident that sparks the curiosity of the treants and forced them to send a lone protector to leave the wood and report on the outside world perhaps Rose leaf was the name of the previously unnamed place tree and protected and this was the battle that forced him to explore the world to investigate on behalf of his people willow tells treant leaving at his leaf was a mystique and we can imagine that one of the first places that tree had visited from the augury vale was the audrey bay where a massacre timber saws people and drove him insane but that's a story for another day you won't catch timbersaw anywhere near Audrey again I don't know how close you are to timbersaw but if you cared about his safety tell him to stay clear of rose leaf alright so these places have been pretty dark so far looks I go out on a lighter note with White's fire now according to the lore white spire seems to be a sleazy den and gambling drinking and other nefarious deeds where heroes people and creeps can go and make some not to honorably earned gold and wherever there's gold there's the bounty hunter Dante and Willow have both met bounty hunter at white spire which seems to be his ad normal hangout typically at the courier races the dota 2 version of horse racing were patrons bed on couriers for some high-stakes action meepo and willow enjoy going there to spend some time in some coin there and from there stolen or tomb raided Jim when the battles done you and me are going to white spire to play the careers and Pegler warns to never bet against Gondar the barrier be careful betting on the Korea races Gondor does not l'affaire which is pretty hilarious it implies that bounty just straight up kills couriers that he doesn't want to win much like he picks off couriers in the real game sad but topical speaking of seedy places one with a lot of history but pretty mysterious is weeping rose weeping Rose is a place of much wealth perhaps it's some kind of bizarre but I think it's more like a city a place that could go in between several trade roads and it's a place where you can spend and do some dirty deeds the one thing that we do know is it's a place of oddities and magic and you can find anything for the right price wealthy and powerful hold the strings and you don't want to get on the bad side of them willow is aware of the wealth stored within the vaults of weeping Rose and hopes to one day pilfer them I'd love to pick your brain on how to turn up weeping Rose she also remarks about the type of deals one can make there and it seems like magical things are very sought-after and weeping Rose I'd love to see what books you have in your collection I'm sure there are some that would fetch a great price and weeping Rose it's also one of the rare examples of her mysterious deeds catching up with it which leads me to believe that maybe this place is used to magic users like her not many people can say they've been kept out of leaping little as but I am an exceptional talent however while the characters tell us that weeping Rose may look like a normal trade hub on the outside there are some pretty sinister going on in the underbelly of the city which may include slavery willow tells Medusa I heard that rumored arson guard against being moved to weeping Rose now the phrasing moved through kind of implies that they were being put on sale or transported via channels and weeping Rose the Gorgons most likely being Medusa's sisters who were kidnapped from their home for who knows by mysterious invaders all we know about the Gorgons is that they are male immortal and supposedly beautiful so use your imagination as to why they were hunted and sold to the highest bidder weeping Rose may not only be for trafficking slaves but also for some other magical oddities paint'll warns lion that I know you seek Alba and weeping grows but be careful all of the quorums gifts have strings attached employing the line may be attempting to enter weeping Rose to be safe from those who seek revenge on him those from his old tribe or maybe the demons that he wronged but him seeking shelter maybe putting him in danger itself this group of powerful and influential people who controlled weeping Rose are called the quorum and they sound like some pretty bad guys but luckily for us it appears that they have a few enemies a lexer told us a long time ago that the monkey king himself had fought against them either way if you're looking for magical oddities magical slaves or just anything in-between weeping Rose seems to be the place to go and much like weeping Rose were introduced to a similar but even shadier place known as reptile a cutthroat nation led by merchant Kings where you are just as likely to make the sale as get murdered reptile was a home of dark willow her father being one of the merchant Kings himself she tells us a lot about the city life with lines like this Dell was a city of riches and deletes and if my father wasn't one of the merchant Kings perhaps I would have steeped the merchant Kings were rich and powerful apparently ruled their domains of fear and tyranny as a terrible monarch like the wraith king tends to remind willow of home I lived in a town long enough to know the difference between order and tyranny other heroes have some similar dealings with rib tale phantom assassins order the sisters of the Vale apparently have performed some assassinations they're leading the merchant kings to plot revenge weld has spread about what happened in left-tail the merchant Kings will not be too happy with your sisters and Gondar the Bounty Hunter has apparently been hired by dark willows father to retrieve her and drag her back to his side at any cost I'm never going back to an FTL gone I try to force me and you're a dead man from the sound of it I think I agree with willow here rev Dell may not want to be a place somebody stays with too long our last place to visit well may not be a place at all it is the Tyler estate perhaps a group of people or a secret society perhaps just a place that such a society calls home all we know about the Tyler estate is that they are not fans of magic as displayed by their two most recognizable members silencer and anti-mage magic and mystical creatures fear the henchman of the Tyler estate magic users much like willow I'm not going to the time our state you think you can drag me to the Tyler estate yes strangely enough they don't seem to be viewed as particularly bad guys pango a juggernaut both very honorable and sensible sword men don't seem to mind spending time alongside those who are associated with the Tyler estate I'll go things it's a Tyler estate we heard about your partnership with the Tyler stage stay calm stop working out which leads me to believe that the estate may not be a group hell-bent on destroying magic users in general but more specializing in hunting down powerful and dangerous abusers of magic and witchcraft willow ask any mate we heard your salmon sirs errand boy now true and she has silencer house teaming up with an teenage working out for ya Pangos also aware of this relationship telling any mate I think it's great you and silence are spending quality time together now my best guess for where this relationship comes from perhaps the Tyler estate is the home of the ayo draya's oh I'm definitely not saying that right the group that had created silencer through selective breeding to make him the ultimate mate I would imagine that after killing all the other mages he was raised with he alone became the leader of this cult and transformed it into a group of those who were wronged by magic and protected the world again stick this of course attracted the anti-mage whose life was ruined by magic users and who currently is described as a agent of the estate as he sent out to deal with powerful magic users by silencer much to his enjoyment where does the Taylor estate has you on retainer overall the group seems pretty fascinating as we don't really know much could they be an evil cult that kidnaps and tortures magic users are they actually the good guys a band of Heroes protecting the worlds from evil and untapped magics well I guess only time can tell since I have no idea if the Tyler estate is a group of people or a place I guess it makes sense to move from places to groups of people another group we are introduced to in dueling fates is the Jasper circle a deadly assassin order with members such as Ricky in their roster your work with the Jasper circle right the circle is known for their deadly dealings but also seems to be held to a code of professional ethics and honor that makes them a pleasure for potential clients to work with while dark willow was taught by them in the art of murder she often not to join due to her rebellious nature and lack of interest following their rules and orders that probably wasn't the wisest idea to turn down the Jasper circle but I'm no one's errand girl the Jasper circle always wanted to have it both ways naughty deeds mixed with professional ethics it was never going to be for me well the circle seems to hire from within training their agents their values and techniques it also appears that they are known to hire third party agents as willow asks NYX assassin yeah I work with a Jasper surgical what a hero that we know of that has used their services before I don't know we have no idea of this was to assassinate someone or just borrow some cash is me Poe who doesn't seem to have the money to pay back the assassins that he borrowed from you owes this you spell circle a considerable debt no listen people I'm not saying that Jasper circle wants to kill you I'm just saying that they're losing faith they're going to pay them back perhaps this explains why me Poe was in the fight to begin with attempting to make the goal that he needs to pay off the assassins he owes money to well more than likely he just thinks that he can weasel his way out of pissing off the deadliest assassins in the world either way the group is known for being the best and there is hardly a kill we're the Jasper circle couldn't do it better so I've seen new places we've heard about new groups but dueling fates also introduces us to a ton of new people a ton of new characters that have never been mentioned or alluded to ever in the lines so let's get the room off first up is soar look on now you may have heard about soar low before in the previously unused juggernaut Arcana voice back which again wasn't canon until dueling fates from that pack we learned that Sora now leads the army of the red mist this is once Oerlikon to your place but she somehow seems to be even more of a menace than axe was when he wasn't charged this battle is over we must discuss what to do about sore lock-on Pengo has fought against Sora before and managed to survive claiming that she is stronger than axe after fighting styler con urs sorry disappointment he also implies that she's a bit of a brute a treatment as disruptor was extremely offended when he compared her I apologize for lumping you in with a friend miss Doyle you are nothing like soul of God that seems to be a less bloodthirsty than silicon which is frankly terrifying to imagine you had a much more reasonable thinness or life so a big question is who exactly is she well there's a few theories some thought that she was the wife of X since they share the same name but it's more likely Kahn as a title rather than a name con being the title given to the leader of the horde much like the real world Genghis Khan and Papa Connally fallout lore but it's a mystery even to Willow hey axe is Cana last name or whatever title thing however even if it is a title that doesn't mean that there may have not been some romantic relationships between acts and Sarla in the little past we don't have any clear answers yet but a that might be my guest heck Kevin alert perhaps sir Allah was romantically involved with axe either formally or informally or just regretted a one-night fling but I imagine now that she most likely hates him ax single-handedly destroyed the red mist horn and now that there is a new red mist army Sola is the leader one that prides herself intruder who built a new horde from scratch honoring her aglow gate ancestors and bringing it back we know the red mist is marching again after the events of rose-leaf and we know that Sola is a tough badass leader who seems to be marching with some kind of mission I believe that that mission is to bring glory back to the old Logie to hunt down the arrogant soldier that nearly destroyed their culture with his nepotism the fearless and bloodthirsty psychopath leader of the red mist army brings glory and honor to what it once lost and hunts the idiot who may have destroyed the scary thing is by all accounts she seems to be able to do whatever she wants and perhaps acts is running scared next up is Lorin 'la son who seems to be an assassin of some sort potentially the leader of the Jasper circle when Pingo kills me Poe who we all know owes the Jasper circle a considerable debt he remarks that his fate is Bethel's in when learning the Sun I didn't store for you willow also remarks that Masson taught her how to get first blood on an enemy just like Laurel and she with me and knows that Ricci still interacts with glissade noseless on dude besides that we don't really know much is Lauren less on the leader of the circle a high ranking member or just the one that trains would-be assassins we're not sure yet but we do know that if Laura can keep up with the likes of Riki and Willow then they must be very dangerous indeed and there's probably a reason why we don't really know much about them the last couple names on our list are the more mysterious ones only referred to in a few lines and with no other instances or references Pierpont and Mazzy are two names we have never heard before and hardly know anything about Mazzy appears to be some sort of female keen as willow as clockwork you're not friends with meze are you hate that hunt and clockwork is notorious in his lines for being very friendly and knowledgeable with his extended keen family sniper and tinker of course Maddie may not be a keen and may just work on clockwork machines not quite sure being a creature like timbersaw perhaps having a connection to iron fog due to willows hate of her bout with that line being the we have on Maz II don't really know much much the same Pierpont is also a mystery but apparently as a connection to crystal made it as Penghu later comments do bunted high hopes for you Owen when he killed her Pierpont could have been seems tutor that she traveled to Iraq to train under or perhaps the leader of another mysterious group called the Sapphire archons if there's any Sapphire darkens I have some issues that I would love to have smooth edge which is the line that willow says when she beat cm what do the Sapphire archons do and is Pierpoint the leader of this group unfortunately there's no way to be sure well actually maybe there is all right it's time for us to go off the rails here and do something that we've never done but let's move out of the world of cannon and head cannon and into the world of leaks three months ago drew look valve character artist posted some concept art that he had done for some untitled projects at valve on his private website you may recognize some of the art that he made in the past for valve such as this acts in the custom game picture and this incredible acts comic honestly this guy makes some amazing stuff if you're bored go check out his site he's got some female hero concepts for tf2 although I prefer chemical Leos and some de gas concept art for heroes in DotA and even plans for a prick and dota 2 cartoon what oh my god suffice it to say when he drew and posted this stuff a few months ago I was a pretty excited but little did we know that in these pages of characters there are some secrets check out this little character design released a full month before dueling fates look familiar oh yeah that's goddamn panga leer valve back in the day was working on an untitled fantasy game way before dota 2 and in that game's concept art you see a few familiar faces as well who's this guy oh those are jungle creeps and Beastmasters boar - okay okay sure whatever maybe these are just coincidences or old assets being used using old assets as video game making 101 but Oh what's this scrolling around and the character selection the untitled fantasy game character concepts we find this Pierpont the Sapphire Archon and Mazzy the trouble do you have any idea what this means this means that potentially every single hero designed on this page has a chance to be cannon in the dota 2 universe every character he drew here could be a new hero or at least an important character this ladies and gentlemen this is the speculation Lord nerd goldmine don't know cartoon people anyway so yeah we might not know much about Mazzy or Pierpont but we do know that there's already an established backstory here and it's in somebody's head which is pretty cool alright there's also references to Rick's who hates Legion commander for some reason and that's all we got also there's somebody called Bellus our know who Legion commander was apparently romantically involved with listen I don't know why we're giving these really weird Legion commander Lord parts but hey whatever I'm sure it's a fourth all right this is the longest goddamn video we've ever made so let's go to the final revelations that the dueling fates gives us and that's new lore for old heroes well oh and pango have met a lot of these heroes before and we learned some cool things and are pretty worth mentioning of course I'll get into more of these when I talk about heroes individually but I told you that we would talk about every single thing that we do leaf eights reveals so let's get to it quick style first we're gonna go through the revelations of the now canon jug Arcana voice packed and then we're just gonna keep on moving from there in bullet points apparently necros Church went and cleansed the fields of endless carnage so that they aren't around anymore puzzles in there so he's fine but this explains why he's roaming around and he's not at the fields of endless carnage and this also explains more about necros backstory and his people yep it was spend that split the mass of juggernaut with something called the agitators blade could that be same Jascha and kya maybe Templar assassin and juggernaut used to be in a romantic relationship confirm any major hates invoker is now canon is officially the warden of ice rack which means that she's its protector or leader I'm not sure pub now slark are currently friends according to this voice line I just like doing whaling is that like the picture for that cartoon oh my god that cartoon is confirmed it's coming out you heard it here first meet Bo and Willow our old buddies most likely stealing precious gems together more traditionally being used as willow knows her name somehow willow and puck our old nemesis slardar does indeed have a connection to dark grief being a warden or a guard or something well was directly involved in the Kunka and tidehunter incident causing Coca's death and blaming tidehunter for creating that problem could it be that she stole the gem a true sight during that big battle which ended up killing Kunka I think so apparently that riders jungle homeland sucks axe also apparently hates invoker according to Canon pirats a dragon is eaten in the reptile meaning that jakiro really isn't that rare he still could be winter wyvern in Dragon Knights Sun though agna apparently is still alive shaman still hustle cities with his magic tricks and sometimes the days are the same cities as willow which leads to some bad results Monkey King didn't actually escape from dark reef but he claims to it and he stole the story from slark well his father made he called the brass Herald brewmaster is apparently on a mission of some kind less shrek did something terrible to a female that Dante knew perhaps twisting her as he himself had been twisted that female needs still be alive lion and pain to Lear have met before and pango let him go ice rack makes some dope white wine Dante is also confused as to why the dark moon and the dark moon event are named after the same thing the thing apparently trying to stop who knows night stalker has bad breath according to Canada there is another powerful sword called the Akio susp laid is that same joshan kiya I don't know something called the ghoul rebellion heaven not quite sure what it was but it maybe had something to do with the Beastmaster ability within me madam Zeus turned into a swan and had sex with somebody yeah that's that's real and there you go that's just about everything in the new game when it comes to lore so many new things so many new questions will we see these new lambs and a lore campaign much like soap breaker will these new characters appear as heroes or something else what are the new revelations from the confirmed dota 2 cartoon holy shit who knows but I do have a guess what could potentially tell us a little more about these characters what could potentially let us meet some of them and visit these new places I have a guess but we will see sorry I'll just be real if this isn't an artifact you can call me a crazy person that has artifact this is our that point an artifact boy's artifact the lore all right well thank you all for watching lore gasm as always it's been a pleasure sorry for the long wait on this one it's extremely busy putting together a couple of events captain's raft floor and - mode but now that I am back with those events hopefully we'll be able to get these back out there quicker and more efficiently I hope you had a great time on this long episode and a special thanks to all the artists and people that helped me out you can check all their links out here and below thanks everybody of course if you want to see more of the lore gasm if you want to be part of lore gasm head on over to the patreon where I fund these bad boys again I don't take any money from my patreon I use it for these artists and to fund these 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Length: 30min 21sec (1821 seconds)

Published: Mon Jan 29 2018