Differences in D-17 Series'

okay everybody I don't know what the batteries like on this thing I attempted this video earlier I kind of got interrupted I don't know if you can tell but it's just a little wet yeah yeah it rains really hard just while ago and now it's sunny and so it's humid but that probably killed the idea getting do a little bush hogging this next week but oh well what this video is for and about it's for a subscriber of mine that asked her mentioned on the last video I made one of the last videos I put up that was me driving that tractor over there down the road those short ways I intended to make a video of that tilling the garden but there was a friend of ours down there and I wound up talking to him and talking to him and try to mess with the camera I didn't feel like doing it so but he's mentioned it and I can't remember his word know how to pronounce his name hundred cents I apologize for that but I know it starts with BRE and an L something he had mentioned that he had just gotten his first tractor and that it was a d-17 and we were kind of going talking about you know what series it was and whatnot it wasn't a hundred percent sure we kind of deduced the fact it was a series one or two based on some of the features but I wanted to go through and talk a little bit about the differences in the series these seventeen tractors and not only that but the evolution as it went and the best way to start would be with this tractor over here so I don't have a WC to show you I don't have a WD I do not have a series one two or three d-17 kind of wish I did but yeah someday so this is a 1954 allis-chalmers WD 45 gas burner with a wide front end I do not know if this is the original wide front end I've heard this is the later style but you know whatever we'll get into a story on this tractor later because this is the only tractor out of the six that we have that I really know the decent story on of what happened to it how my great-grandfather acquired it and then all that but and then we'll go through there and talk about some of the small things I'd like to do to it when I make that video which will probably be immediately after I get done recording this but to start out you have to kind of start what the original row caught tractor that allis-chalmers built you kind of almost have to start with the you see because that was the very first which had a four-cylinder Continental engine in it unstyled it was kind of a fixed tread I believe it was just a narrow front version of the U which was a very popular tractor for a little while and one of the very first tractors to come out on pneumatic rubber tires then you transition into the WC which is the pretty much one of the the crowning jewels of Alice at the beginning this is also one of them that is also one of them but the WC was one of the first crowning jewels that Alice had besides the U with the pneumatic rubber tires I think that you probably was the first then the WC WC come out as a nun style tractor if I remember correctly in 1937 although that could be a little off it had 201 cubic inch four-cylinder engine and a four-speed transmission no live power no nothing and the 201 cubic inch engine it had had a four inch bore and a four inch stroke so that's the dub you see now the first half of them we run styled or the first bit up more on style the second set if you want to call it that were styled and they look a lot like this as far as the styling the way it was shaped goes on the grill back here I think would looked a little different so they made the WC from 1937 again I believe to 1948 and in 1948 allis-chalmers come out with what they called the WD now the WD come basically was a crossover tractor between this and the WC it still had the WCS four-cylinder 201 cubic inch not continental but 201 cubic inch engine which was a 4-inch bore and a four inch stroke but it had the live power take-off and it had live hydraulics it baby WD introduced to clutch power control so you know hence the WD it essentially looked almost like this tractor the a lot of people say that the engines were a little different from what they look there's I think there was a plate on the side of the WDS it wasn't here on this one I don't know what that I don't have a WC or a WD to look at because I had the same motor but and the manifolds could have been different - I'm not a hundred percent sure but that was essentially the WD it come out two clutch power control and essentially what two clutch power control that you do was have a live power take-off it was not independent power take-off but it was live power take-off and essentially hit you the foot clutch and the hand clutch and I think the best way to demonstrate this would be to get up on the tractor this is gonna end up being an Alastair of US history lesson than it will be these 17 only but whatever so you're sitting here in the seat and let me tilt the camera down a little see if that'll help but sitting here in the seat and you're ready to go and you need to run the PTO well or here let's just put this in a better better position okay apparently something's not lined up right anyway so you're running along here PTO engaged and you want to stop the tractor but you want your PTO influenced to stay running say you got a mower or combine or whatever to stop the tractor you do that that leaves your PTO running because your PTO if it's engaged stays running as long as the foot clutch is engaged if you want to stop everything you push ahead on the foot clutch and so that's the way that works that same concept stayed the same when it come to the hydraulics if you want to actuate hydraulics you cannot have this foot clutch disengaged or the this lever does nothing so and the WD was the same way the biggest way to tell a wd apart from a WD 45 if it's an earlier WD is the lack of a snap coupler and straight gearshift it stops about here well it may have been up to about here but it was straight it wasn't curved like this one the late W DS did have this curb shifter and they also had a snap coupler the weight once did so those it's a little harder to tell you have to look at the motor to be able to know but anyway so they built the WDS from 1948 to 1953 were late 52 most people say I guess and in 1953 this tractor came out and it changed a few things it come out with snap coupler hitch of course that was different the WD also had the power shift rear wheels which the WC did not have but what set the wd-40 five apart was the engine it's got a four cylinder 226 cubic inch motor what they did was it's got a different crank and they changed it to where it had a four and a half inch stroke instead of a four inch stroke so I got a four inch more and then they put what they call power crater Pistons on it which essentially had a dish in portion at the top of the piston that they said supposedly swirled the fuel air mixture when it entered the combustion chamber and gave you a better combustion effect whether all that's true or not I don't know but that's what allis-chalmers marketed it as and sold them a lot of tractors because of the WD 45 was one of the crowning jewels of allis-chalmers I in my opinion so then we come to 1957 the WD 45 had been in production for four years at that point roughly they had added which this tractor dope does not have they had added optional factory power steering and there were even some of these they made in a diesel with a óbuda six-cylinder motor the way to tell a WD 45 diesel apart from a gasser is the WD 45 diesel the grill came all the way out to the end to make extra room for those extra two cylinders but that's the easiest way to tell a WD 45 diesel apart from a gasser but in 1957 Alice redid their own line and implemented one series of tractors to cover everything that was a the allis-chalmers D series of course you had the d-10 the d12 the D 14 the D 17 were the the first four that they had now there were some that came later D 15th and D 19th and D 21s but I think the first two to come out were the 14th and 17th and those were the tractors that were supposed to replace the WD 45 or the D 14 and the D 17 now the D 17 series ones used the same hydraulic system and everything as the 45s did they had a quadrant up here where your hydraulic controls were and then the they had a round muffler like that they did not I don't know if they had an optional pre cleaner or not and they had an oil bath air cleaner like that the headlights were mounted up on the grill right about here maybe down here somewhere the grill I've seen people paint on black I've seen them painted orange I don't know which was original the wheels were orange they were not cream and the D the decals the allis-chalmers was in this same spot this white stripe was not here the allis-chalmers itself was white on the orange hood and then the D 17 logo was oval-shaped with a almost an italics D 17 right here if you go around to the other side a D 17 series one depending on whether it has a belt play or not will have a plate or a belt pulley in this location the other thing about the series ones is the majority of them came out with a metal seat they still had a stamp coupler hitch and the PowerDirector handle here did not have this guard around the button it was just the cylindrical shaft and the button sitting on top it also did not have this hydraulic oil filter that was the series 1 the series 2 from what I can tell the decals changed they went to white wheels I don't remember where the D 17 ended up going if it was up here and white or what or if it was back here but it had a white decal that was only about this long and looked a lot like this but I think I've seen a lot of people that have series twos that had a it's just a an aluminum strip that goes around the decal I don't know if that's original or not but I've seen a lot of them like that and I think they're just a hair bit smaller maybe they still had the same style of air filter or air cleaner same style muffler the wheels went cream same hydraulics the same belt pulley design over on the other side the series ones and twos were very similar tractors the headlights were still up here series three is what changed a lot of things they still kept the original style of hydraulics that were from the WD 45 era so this wasn't here but they did incorporate a hydraulic oil filter on the series threes from what I've read on the series threes is when they moved the headlights back to right here on the fender the series threes when they adopted the paper style air cleaner element and the pre-filter option and that's when they went to the Oval tone muffler like what's on this one they went to this style of decal matter-of-fact the decal was almost identical but it had a three here instead of a four and it looked like this but it still had a lot of the earlier systems the series four changed even more things the first and most obvious differences back here on the rear end the series four was the first tractor allis-chalmers built to have a factory optional three-point hitch and this is the factory three-point hitch on this tractor and then now they did all they still come with snap couplers by the way this is the factory option three-point hitch then they went to a fully independent PTO or PTO fully independent hydraulic pump this is not just a live hydraulic pump like what these had are like what those had scuse me but this is fully independent meaning no matter whether you push the clutch in or not you still have live hydraulics or independent hydraulics however you want to say it and here's your actuated controls for them this is three-point hitch these are your two remotes so they moved them away from up here and then this is the position control which controls how deep your implement goes and this controls the adjustment for your traction booster I don't really know a whole lot about adjusting the traction booster the thing that traction booster adjustment was always there I don't know if the position control was okay so that pretty much brings us full circle also I believe the series ones had earlier wd-40 five style steering wheel on them they didn't have this style this one was painted white at one point and it's starting to all peel off but maybe something I try to replace on this tractor someday I don't know but this is one of our favorites our tractors because I've heard it said many times and I will almost always agree the d-17 was one of the best bore plow tractors to be built in the late 60s the d70 in series four was one of the best for plowed tractors to be built in the late 60s it won't pull it for an hour sold or at least we don't think we I've never had a plow on this tractor I intend to someday but it would be hard-pressed to pull it for in our soil it would probably need a three and if I could find a series sixty or a series seventy-three bottom three-point hitch plow like a model 73 Alice I would buy it in a heartbeat if I had had the money and had a place to put it but anyway going to the motor they had the same 226 cubic inch engine as far as displacement goes the carburetor was different now that carburetor I believe was not on that tractor when it come out I was talking to Grandpa about that earlier that carburetor is different from the original which I don't know if it's got the same carburetor on it now as this one it probably does this but the D 17s had a higher CFM carburetor cubic foot per minute of air it air fuel mixture I pulled it in pulled more air through per minute it had a different manifold setup had larger crank bearing and main bearing journals yeah main bearing journals but yeah that is essentially the D 17 evolution and by the way if you're wondering about your serial number on the bell housing this is what's called the bell housing flywheel your clutch is in here and this is that number see mine starts out with a D 17 I don't know if yours will or not but it says D 17 and 8 609 0 and the d 17 1967 production started with 8 603 1 I believe or a race no it was a 606 1 this was the 30th tractor built in 1967 or the 30th 67 model year tractor built which there's not much to be said for that they were one of the last ones built in 67 than Shore but anyway so yeah that is the D 17 and its evolution when it comes to the WD 45 of them those that preceded it essentially the the neat things about the D 17 of course or the if you're wanting to know a little bit more about them your tractor probably has a generator here this one had a generator on it to one point but the generator quit because he converted it to negative ground and we think that might a truant the generator but anyway it's got a little Yanmar alternator on it now I probably will put a generator back on Sunday just cuz I'm gonna pick you like that um of course your carburetor and the air intake pipe here and if you can see up and there there's air cleaner the air filter is that round two right there sediment ball / fuel filter this is where you turn the gas on at us the valve here um pre cleaner element I said this is the muffler let's see here going to go out on a limb because I don't know and say this is the power steering pump but I could be your own say where does that line go yeah I'm gonna go out on a limb say that's the power steering pump and course this is governor housing distribute your coil oil filter engine oil filter hydraulic oil filter dipsticks right here starter is down in there this is your power director hand clutch it does the same basic thing the WD 45 does but it also splits your gears into two ranges for each gear you have a low range which it doesn't lock in the low range like it's supposed to so if something's probably need to be adjusted but anyway and then you have your high range and it nut it's not supposed to lock in the high range so you can just pop it back out into neutral and this is where you'd want it if you wanted to stop the tractor but leave the PTO running of course your gears shift all the d-17 had a straight throw shifter that was short like that makes it a little bit of a pain to get into reverse sometimes especially going against the spring that's here on the earlier ones where they had the quadrant mount hydraulics which is what we were talking about is correct on yours with the serial number starting with two one one it should be a 1959 series one it would have the hydraulic controls here and I think it was notched and you had to push in on it like this to move it and it would lock into whichever knotch this is the PTO engagement lever right here of course your main clutch your fuel gauge is here let's see here so um to be 100% honest with you I can't remember I would have to look in the book if the rear end uses the same oil as the transmission but judging by the fact that I haven't found the fill plug for it yet I'm going to say yes this is where you fill it I do believe well I'll say that I don't know which for which then cuz there's two dipsticks cuz this is a dipstick too so I will go look at that I'll go look what that up or talked about more likely I'll talk to grap all that and I'll put that in the description for you or I'll comment to you and if you see this video but yeah that is the d-17 and it's a sweetheart of a tractor and I love it I love all of our tractors and I like that one the most as far as just which one I like but as far as tractors to operate it would be this one followed very closely by that John Deere 4010 but nonetheless that is the video for understanding the differences in series ones twos threes and fours on the D 17 and also a little history less than an evolution from the WC on up these also transitioned into the 170s don't even ask me about that cuz I have absolutely no clue I've never been around 100 series Alice so something I want to be around someday something I want to have but I've never been around one so anyway I'm about to probably go ahead and just film this story on this tractor here and include what I'd like to do to it so that does it for this one and we'll catch you all on the next one

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Published: Fri Apr 17 2020