Curtis "Wall Street" Carroll is a Stock Expert Serving Life in Prison (Flashback)

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tell us your name why are you here in San Quentin and what you from so my name is Curtis Carroll but everyone calls me Wall Street I've been in San Quentin for years now and I'm here for the crime of robbery murder attempted murder actually happened in Oakland and I was sentenced to 54 years of life in prison at the age of 17 years old and I currently been in prison 20 years 20 years 20 years for robbery murder robbery mom what part Oakley you grew up there so I grew up in East Oakland I was born in Washington DC came to California in 80s early 80s my mother I grew up in the heart of the crack epidemic so my mother was a drug addict my grandmother were drug addicts so my family was either drug addicts or drug dealers and so my role model was the pimps holes and hustlers that was always how we moved and I always was taught that if you wasn't making the money you couldn't be out here in these streets I mean if he was gonna be out here in these streets she was gonna make money who's gonna support your family no one of my family had jobs no one worked I actually went to Amherst and I actually went to eat Moi's Cox didn't go too often but I was enrolled in school and just my whole perspective of life man was was was about poverty and what I seen everything came from the lens of people who I looked up to because it was he wasn't a real role models I was illiterate so I couldn't rewrite a spell didn't didn't know a little bit about math I learned a lot of that in the streets from breaking the law you know robbing and stealing and burglarizing and things like that so you know always new crime was a bad thing but it was always justified in the household so in my mind as a kid I always thought the police was the enemy the police was enemy and white people was enemy and I was taught that white people were the reasons why we was living away we was living he never was no accountability it was always like damn them then and so that kind of shaped my way of thinking and my identity often say that I was like the you know the movie they got the movie the Bubble Boy yeah I saw what I saw was the Bubble Boy and my illiteracy led me to follow anybody and everybody who I thought would lead me to when I saw just the promised land which was just putting some food on the table maybe should've liked his own and liked it as such and so I would always as the Bubble Boy I would always look up and look for people to drop something down there rather that been knowledge or whatever the case may be and that dictated my actions moving forward which ultimately led me to prison and led me to a lot of the things that I did in my life you know I tend to think from you see my mother started using drugs in the early 80s yeah I was probably maybe nine ten you got a figure from naana 10 to 17 life was the streets right the the the poverty the drugs so childhood was really you know what it was there was the worst when I lived when I think about your household at nine ten eleven twelve your mom is on crack and you ain't got really no real mentors so you probably did you even have a conscious when you were out there in the streets like when you was robbing folks right that takes a lot of audacity and Oakland to burglarize somebody yeah yeah yeah yeah what was your mind state at that time mama my mentality was more alone so I always told myself this I always told myself this story and I didn't know I was telling myself stories they would always tell myself this story I'm not robbing anybody I'm just taking advantage of opportunities so I never ever saw people always saw opportunities so it's easy to take it to take an opportunity to harm somebody so the only way I saw a person was winning with someone who I was close to that I've something some wrong was done to in it and it was more of a humanized experience but prior to that it was always about robbing something or taking advantage an opportunity so I go in there to go rob some but I never say like I'm robbing his label I'm taking from this guy I just said this person is white and they got a whole bunch of stuff so they ain't gonna miss it we went one day to rob this house guys got got with us told us that it was some drugs inside this house and it deal was that since we were young me and my brother that we were breaking inside the house get the dope bring the dough back when we broke in the house while I'm looking around to find the drugs I'm I'm inside of the kitchen and opened the cabinets and you know the first thing I see cereal I see cereal so I'm thinking they got a head they got a gang of cereal in here so I started taking the cereal the cookies the chips we made this little contraption at the back of the house we started loading all the food and snacks inside this contraption we was lifting it up on top of this a matter of fact we was we was on seminary we was lifting all the stuff on the back of this thing so we went inside this house to burglarize to get some drugs and yet we started taking all these people food and I think about that now and I thought as a kid cereal was the reason I got caught cereal you know what kind of throw was remember Captain Crunch Captain Crunch yeah or just a record which is my favorite I love Captain Crunch right and and and it's crazy because the the one of the greatest moments of my life that I've ever had was when I was a kid and I tend to think that the 80s cartoons was the best cartoons ever made right I was my era and I used to sit in front of the TV get up early in the morning on Saturday the Sundays eat a bowl of cereal and watch cartoons that's I get that same feeling today when I watch cartoons that's how I used to get a piece of my childhood and that's the only happy memory I have of my childhood is when I buy cereal the crazy part is I spent a lot of money buying cereal to capture a feeling that I'm trying to get as a kid and that same feeling was what I did today we did that burglary and that's ultimately how we got and so that was my mentality there all right my man tallied was based on images and feelings that I got that was being recalled from different moments of time so whenever I was doing something and I felt a certain kind of way that can lead my actions into doing something totally off-putting from what I was sent to do in the first place you you're a person who has amazed executives on in Silicon Valley were journalists from all around the world I've read about you a story before I met you today and was amazed at what you've been able to accomplish that's today years ago this person you described it seems totally different and when I actually about the audacity growing up in Oakland a lot of that mentality you had was the same things I was taught right growing up in the 20 right 23rd half police are their enemy right now why people got it all right and they're the reason why we're in this condition we are in today right I believe that until I finally got something on my home right right right and I was like oh man I was tom foolery but I've never had and we struggle to as youth but I never had to ask I actually gave you the audacity like I saw opportunities growing up where I could have robbed somebody or did something bad to somebody would always stopped you know you mentioned that you were in here for attempted murder a first-degree mur hearts the green partially murder what happened that day was that day so so the the the thing was is that so role models is usually what you see most of right and it's something that's kind of perpetuated that you see and you want to become I never saw lawyers doctors right firefighters they were sorry that stuff ain't no firefighters income we ain't got no fires no clean happens so you can you see any of these people what we always saw with the police and they came to do two things pick up their bodies or to arrest people so I never had and I never inspired to be like that because I never seen it I never saw any of that stuff but what I did see was the homie pull up in the Bentley with the women with the clothes with the dope so I wanted to be like that so the day in question the rivalry I provided the information to the rivalry and we wasn't even really supposed to even do it I never was really interrupt I was always in the Robyn's stuff burglarizing in this particular day it was just one of those days man where was like you know there's no fear you know I used a lot of Mines crazy because a lot of my investment strategies I use today it's based on what I learned in the streets and one of those things is fearless when to be fearless and where not to be fearless and whenever it came to an opportunity my level of fear changed depending on what was that state this particular day it was a lot of drugs at state and you know things just got out of hand real quick and it's crazy because I never ever thought like people got killed I always say this the streets everybody know what time it is so we are here in the streets if you're doing something to something happen it could be me I never figured I was on there past 18 either which we're ghosts all I saw was that I'm just doing the same thing everybody else doing you know no one is saying like hey go to school do good know I stand under that people saying it but the people that saying it is the same people selling me the dope so it's like me walking to the street corner buy some weed but I like Maggie no you suppose I have your low ABS from school but here take that sack so it's like come on man really so I never just ever seen it like that because I never had any kind of feelings or I never had empathy right I never felt like like like like like I'm being helped always felt like I was empowered but I was a victim and I was a victim of circumstance I was a victim of economics environment my environment the thing that I remember another thing I remember that's real vivid to me is that they had this and although you might remember this they had this blood bank down on East 14th from my mother just a good I had to this blood bank and she would go in sell the potassium in her blood 40 bucks and I would sit here all day in line watch her go inside this place and then people want to know why my hair robbing people doing things I'm doing I often say you know I saw you know I say now I think back then I say you know I live in the greatest financial nation in the world yeah my mama is is it a blood bank selling her blood to try to feed four kids that's how you justify taking a life that's how justified man and and and and and and it wasn't even about taking a life yeah because I never even looked at it like that it was about opportunities so when did you start realizing that that opportunity equated to actually took a life because that sounds like at that point you probably went through some self therapy and probably matured a lot start seeing life through different eyes when did that moment kind of kurta you that oh my gosh this is what I've done when when I learn how to read and it wasn't right when I learned how to read but when I started to learn how to read I started to see the world and the thing about being behind the walls of Prisons is that it's it's own economy everything is inside and I've grown up in prison I've learned to shave in prison I've learned my thing about women in prison I've learned everything in prison I never been on dates Prime's never done any of that stuff so when I started teach myself how to read I started to see humanity through other people's eyes when I read about stories and I read about a lot of stuff and a lot of what I was learning at the time was about financial stuff that was kind of what my interest was lying and I had to been in my 30s man and I remember somebody had got killed in Oakland I was looking at TV and I remember feeling like I wonder how their parents though it was it was a crazy feeling because I never felt that before and I had never had never had any kind of remorse because I always tried to justify by saying the circumstances what they were so that prompted me to do it when I felt that that day that feeling kind of stuck with me but I didn't really know how to identify that until I started getting into some of the programs and really started internalizing a lot of the childhood trauma that I have faced my own self a lot of the ridicule and and and and and and different things that allowed me to first forgive myself and understand what I was doing before I can look at what I had did to other people um I had just never I had just never crossed my mind you know I guess this thing like you know a masculinity and and and and and and we always talk about like the man box and in different checks I had all these checks here man don't cry you know men don't show a pain and men don't do all these things and so even when I was hurt I never had a way to express that and when I started to express my own pain understood the pain that I caused the people I was like wow I'm feeling like this come on now they could have felt with a life being lost yeah and that's when he kind of started sinking in for me um you thought were more so I felt remorse I felt remorse I felt I was disgusted with myself - Pete oh I just thought like how could the me now had done something like that you know a crazy part of my education is that the more educated I get the less excuses I can make yeah right right fool yourself so it's one of these things I got to keep it real now yeah and so when I was stupid there was an excuse to be stupid you know I you know I you know I tell the guys in class I say you know it's what is it's always your story my story and then the story alright so whose story I'm gonna tell you I'm gonna tell yours mine are theirs and end of the day I tell my story was so I can be accountable for what the story was and that just really helps shape a lot of my identity moving forward being a counter being accountable not just about the past but being account all about the things that I potentially will do in the future yeah you know always heard people say education is key yeah you know do education you can see the world I think you'll live an example of that you know and experience evolution it was money that brought you to literacy right it was and and this is what it was that literacy that made you a celebrity well but what you ran it with what you learned right right how did you first begin to understand finance so the interesting thing is that and I was sharing with someone over there is that even to this day I don't know sounds so I don't know vows and things like that everything I do is about memory and so it's one of those things like the sixth sense person go blind they hear better person is deaf they see better so I memorize a lot faster than you know pray a lot of different people and I never knew that I had the skill to memorize so when I was trying to teach myself how to read I would take phrases and terms and and and I would trick people into telling me what words were I remember eyes the words and I put them on a word list and whenever I will read stuff I would try to find these words inside the articles that I read to try to make phrases and things out of to put stories together and so how people look at soap operas is how I look at finance I try to find the storylines who people are what people are doing and I learned to use a lot of the sentiment about people's emotional connections to things which kind of taught myself and then you know I just kind of got this this this thing where I always thought that people to everybody knew by money I just thought I was the only one didn't know I was like how can I not know about this stuff and you know I guess I started researching your letter and realized that Wow most people didn't know about what's going on and so that that that kind of drove me to move in a class of my own yeah which I guess the hard part is about being in prison and talking about finances that you don't anyone talking about it yeah the prison system is against it the other prisoners is against it you're a con man oh yeah talking fast talk - yeah right so already I get the fast-talking things so you trying to con I she trying to hustle so I was always fighting this uphill battle trying to tell people man we can make money in the stock market and talking okay I'm stock market get this we get this get this get this get these drugs mm-hmm in prison and in prison so so so yeah not only is you talking about in prison but you talk about finance inky black yeah so first of all black people know nothing about that all right so you shouldn't even talk about that and you're an inmate so you really shouldn't be talking about that so it was always this uphill battle man that I told myself will forget it if I'm gonna be ridiculed and I'ma be really cute for something that I want to do for a change in my life and it's gonna be my where we really to do it I want to do as opposed to what everybody else wanted me to do what was that definitive moment that you show by example that you knew what you were talking about what was that first stock that you saw a positive result it was this company that I bought call akhom Oh ANCA mo technology something like that there was a high flying comm company during the financial crash think they CEO died in the World Trade Center and company had went go and I was basically trying to figure out what to buy and so my whole idea was that people were selling and buying based on how they felt as opposed to what the information was and so I kind of took that approach stock prices were like 50 cents or something like that I go in I buy stock price went to like two bucks I was like one of my first trades and I thought okay wow this is cool I didn't realize I didn't know a lot of what I thought I did it because you know you make some money you know you think you got all that you think in anything you got all the answers yeah and that was like that really moment that I thought like I could do this obviously I didn't think it would be like today but I thought I can do it and so I figured if I can do it I don't have to do the other thing the different was was that was I willing to do it facing all the really cute that will come from pursuing this endeavor now because that's what was coming obviously I didn't think would be as as much as really cute as it was but nobody believed you knew what you were talking about no no no way no and even still today right you know people buy right I get it you know you you you got to prove it um but I think that I've been bullied in prison you know I've only been busy two times I'm few times in my life when I was in school and I was in prison how'd you get bullied in prison I got bullied in prison because people understood that I got a lot to lose and they took advantage of that and one of the rules is about being in prison is that you don't let nobody take nothing from you right and you don't take no shit from nobody I mean just some of the things and because I had accomplished so much I understood that people who cared about me was willing to sacrifice everything on my behalf so I felt like if I went and I told people that I was being bullied they were retaliate mm-hmm and it create this big old thing you got everybody locked all in the holes and all those other kinds of nonsense so I didn't say anything and what guys was doing was that they were essentially you know bumping into me on the tears you know I had I had loaned the guy a case of suits or something he basically told me you paid and he said just like that he said man you paid and I wasn't even mad that he said I was paid I was mad that I accepted it hmm and I don't cry often and I cried that day actually I turned around and on my way walking to myself a tear came on my heart and I thought how can you accept this and I knew what was coming after that more of it mmm-hmm I was depressed you know and and and it was crazy because I was some would say at the height you know this article after story after story and I was depressed I was miserable you know and I couldn't tell nobody so I kind of went through my day just thinking everything was cool and I thought how can I be on the path of righteousness and be going through this type of stuff yeah it just didn't make no sense I said in and and and the mist and I and I don't ran some of the biggest skews money-making schemes in the prison system and and you know people know this very well from prison example of that because I think people who are listening to this when you say it and it just sound like sound okay right no doubt I think it was a money-making scheme you can do in prison so so I always had the ability to to communicate effectively people and are going to get people to do whatever I wanted to do and the fact that I was talking about finance so my thing was I'd always which study I started studying a California retirement system I figure the best way to talk to these people is in no more than what they know about this stuff so when I will talk to the guards and staff I'd always ask me you know about your retirement era what is that they never knew nothing so they were look at me like who is this inmate you know talking about our retirement how does he know about that stuff and I would look at them like he's an idiot you mean to tell me you're investing your money in this stuff you don't know what you're doing so it was his real disconnect but when they would see me not with their counterparts they come and say hey man like who was you talking about with the stuff and so that kind of got my end and so at those times I would I was using those ends to manipulate to do other schemes on smuggle drugs in and and and and and smoke marijuana and all this other kind of stuff that I've been had discipline actions for and I was using all these different skills and tactics to make all these other kind of moves that I was making inside the prison system and you know I just hadn't fully understood that I had this this this innate for life to do something better into the warden until one day I met a word and he called me into his office and I had went to his office I had just finished smoking weed and I had my pants sagging down I had my hat on backwards and I walked into office inside in the chair and he comes out and he says I'm looking for even I'm looking for Curtis Carroll I said some right here sir he says can't be you he says stand up he said you see this yeah it was a yellow line that said out of bounds he said when you come across his yellow line into my office you coming here Lee respect you coming in here smelling like marijuana you got your pants all down there yes got your hat to the back he said go down to the building clean yourself up and I want you up here tomorrow at 3 o'clock he said if you late I'm gonna put you in the hole for the rest of the duration at this institution I went back to the cell and I told myself we gotta get all the dope out to sell different if I'm hit the house yeah we spooked running around I go back up to there and he tells me he says man you got people wearing my hair calling you Wall Street and all this stuff he says man how you gonna have a had how you gonna have a name like washed you ain't teaching nobody nothing he said I want you to do is I want you to start a class here and I want you to teach other prisoners about finance and I said I'm not teaching about all I know finance I'm not no teacher man he says well it's really not your decision to make it's mine so he put me with a teacher that was the first time that I understood the importance of what I was doing in the calling and it's how I got out of the criminal lifestyle that was that moment had he not had done that I'm not here today yeah he held me to a higher standard even in the midst of all my of all my crap and Laura knows man that I've been given many chances many chances and often feel like I'm held to unrealistic standard that people forget that I'm still childlike in ways yeah I've been in prison since I was a teenager and so there's a lot of things that I don't understand there's a lot of things I don't know a lot of things I do know I got a very good common sense but on other areas I'm not and I think that sometimes people hold me to a standard that's not realistic and I can't live up to that and if I make a mistake it engaged everything that I've done positive and I saw what's my biggest fear you know you know what I what I what I see is two things listening to this story and you tell me if you feel like it's accurate you were already developing these skills but it was illegitimate wasn't a life of crime and you pie didn't recognize your talents and gifts you came to prison and he was on a you know still kinda on the wrong path and then somebody made you realize your value you know then you realize your value you pursued it and now you learn how to do what you were doing illegally legally number two does warden seem like he was the type of inspiration and mentor that maybe if you have when you were younger or something like it perhaps yes yes you know me I agree you probably would have had a different outcome in your life right right so your current sentence right now will you ever see freedom or what's cooking with so under so under SB 260 courtesy to the governor's office and and and and all the the people who have supported passing these bills my so prior to that I had never actually looked at my time I never considered myself gonna be in prison forever that was just that just wasn't gonna happen how I always thought I thought I'm gonna make a crapload of money and I'm gonna get out man out that's always my mentality if it all failed I figure you know money talks at the end of the day most all things that's always how I thought about it when I started seeing the bills change and things like that my sentence got cut so I went from having a parent before the board and 20 40 something like that to born in three years so I go to the board in 2020 which essentially you know I can be home between now and there's three years which is a blessing in itself because you know always thought I would go but I never really had like a light at the under the tunnel so you know it's crazy because the light at the end of the tunnel changes the way you perceive least from you myself there I perceived myself to be now and they're gonna line you know it's about the long man's game then as opposed to just a quick fix easy just be about I'm gonna make this quick fix but now it's like I can get out I'm gonna go home but what I'm gonna do when I get out of here now you know and and it's like meeting all these different people and people it's weird that people care more about my story than I do the story doesn't have them with value to me right because it's a lot of the story that people don't know that I know that I'm still figuring out and putting pieces together but to know that my story is crazy I had this letter man that that I wanted to bring you um that I got from I mean I've been getting a bunch of letters people are gonna country right now but I got this letter from this guy in Pelican Bay his actually his wife writes me just letting she says my husband's in Pelican Bay and you know he's up there and he heard about you and you know he's been up there getting in trouble and he says hey man I heard about this guy and he calls me and tells me can you get in contact with him and tell him in and he's inspired me and when I got out of trouble and I want to learn about finance he's like 28 years old and stories like that for young black man minorities in general particularly black people I went from harming my community man to not giving a shit about my community because I never cared about me to love in my community right and now I have an obligation I'm obligated I can't even choose to do it no more because if I do I feel that the Lord takes to get from me I can't really take credit for it at this point right there's no way I can just say yeah I studied I've done a lot of that but God is good man because you know without him you know where I'm at yeah you know - for people to say like my story has hack them want to get out of crime or whatever the things are they doing man I just never that's like the ultimate gift to me yeah you know yeah I want to make a lot of money I'm gonna make a lot of money let's be clear about that I'm gonna make loads of cash I've took you know I've taken the Buffett players I'm gonna donate 90% of my money out to to deter the ball organization Warren Buffett yep you know hero that's my idol man yeah he he's my Jordan you know he you know it just just just his tact his skill the way he does things I mirrored a lot of you know what I've done have to have to have - it's crazy because they actually as an Amash to him they've been calling me - Oracle of San Quentin and I hate that yeah I was like ah I can't stand to be called the Oracle San Quentin right I believe I only like that but it's like because it's connected to him yeah it's kind of cool what do you plan on doing because and I know you're not in the last mile program but one of the things that they that that they've done that appealed to me even is taught in mates really of a sound like I had inmates learning introspective about themselves how they got to where they are accepting accountability and then taking the oath of commitment to change it and then also learning skills to create a business for yourself so when you do get out you know you got something to fall back on put them in front of VC Silicon Valley that's a great thing I know as you wouldn't know right is this a program that you could benefit from so when you get out you create got a business plan on hand three years from now and Rather's through finance or however you come on teaching assistant type of program you benefit so so so so the thing about the last mile and from my opinion is that they provided a skill set that it's not there for us to have you know especially for prisoners and they have managed to convince and I'm showing their part it took a lot of convincing you know especially when you're talking about people who never been in the prison's never really thought about doing anything with the prisoners to convince people successful people that who some say are the scum matter yeah and they matter in the way where you can spend money on on seeing that that value will pay off that's huge and most people can't make that commitment most people can't convince people to do such things so I admire that morning anything I'm I'm personally not in the coating myself but Chris and Beverly are actually not quarters themselves right there you know their money didn't come from Cody right their day but they provide a service so they provide multiple services all kind of services you know Courtney's is one of the ones that they do but they bought people in here over all walks of life all kinds of businesses and allowed us to build relationships with these people and share our stories and share the different ideas that we have about the things you want to do my idea just happen to be financed I think you know few statistics here you know one percent or less of the population of black people are financial managers so you wonder why you can't get black people do finance well here they don't see nobody in a race they do finance right you're talking about fifty sixty percent of the country have under $1,000 and savings you know so that's most people which means they've every father people you see they're gonna be broke and we tell my rich people you talk about sixty percent of the NBA which is predominantly black now right file for bankruptcy at after they retired friendly you know sixty seven percent of NFL players right filing for bankruptcy celebrities rappers right hip hop is notorious for everyone losing all their money so I feel that there is a missing component there and that component is financial education all right so unless is trying to teach people how to vest in stocks I'm shanthi how to live a certain kind of lifestyle yeah right you know I often tell people that you know financial literacy scares to you because they think it's some sort of skill set it's not a skill it's a life worth living and so I always say you know if you teach if you can manage what you eat if you can manage your time you can manage your relationships you can manage money you know so it's about trying to get people to understand a certain level of management as opposed to trying to develop some sort of skills and I think that for most people especially those in poverty they just don't see that as being the case and so when I study even these big you know the big hedge funds and big guys they all have this certain blueprint way it's like this is the way the industry goes and this house gonna be and it's gonna be no other way that's not true yeah well I couldn't do what I'm doing if it was that's not so so that's not true so I'm trying to teach people that financial education it's about the way you feel about it yeah right it's not necessarily the action is to feel if they came here right now and someone can't run out corn and yelled hey man they sense a fire when your air one need to exit the building people will probably get up and start moving yeah what someone say who told you that how you know that probably not right mm-hmm financial crisis you had all those people outside the bank's trying to pull their money out the bank not one time did they see them signs in the window to say fdic-insured meaning your money is insured up to this amount everyone is there trying to get their money out emotions emotions drive what we do in prison same thing yeah people spend all their money on canteen and packages you spent 20 years in prison forty thousand dollars spent on junk and you wonder why you're getting out only 200 hours gave money so I'm trying to get people to understand that financial literacy is one of the biggest issues that plagues our society 90% the crimes are the committed or money related yet 1% of the programs that cater to people in prison and out deal with finance mmm-hmm that's a problem but I'm here as a solution to that at least from our perspective so that's what that that's what bring two to the table yeah well I'm gonna set up a speaking tour once you get out - all right because I think you're great one last thing I want to ask you because it's obviously taken a lot of thought you know and I would imagine the one thing that you guaranteed in prison it's time to think now in retrospect you're not the same person your spirit is different your consciousness you have a conscious you understand you have one there but it was dormant you know he didn't understand why right there are a lot of walls potential wall street's out there in the streets of Oakland and cities like it even to this day and if you could give them the advice that you wish somebody could have gave you back then when you were committing these crimes that put you here what would it be that's a tough question man you know because I don't want to use some sort of soundbite yeah you know because it ain't no quick fix to it yeah and the reason they no quick fix to it because the times are different right the age of the internet everything is fast paced you know you know the reasons why the people in San Quentin benefit from the programs because the programs are designed for people with long sentences alright I've been in prison 20 years so it's taking me 15 years arguably to get running man how do you get a young man 18 years old he don't have no 15 years to be sitting around trying to learn nothing they don't they wanted two minutes three minutes Foreman so everything is so fast-paced so it's hard nowadays right to sit down to get young people talk about your feelings talk about your stuff without trying to attack the things that they're into first right we don't even ask those questions so that's a really hard question man and and and and you know what I try to do with the young people down here today because I got a lot of 18 19 years old and to get them in classes I find out what they value you know what they like sugar candy bars Snickers they like coffee so when it come to class I tell them I know you ain't gonna stay all day and so questioning right tossing the candy bar do you know the value at a place on a snicker bars right well to them yeah so does so when I walk around a yard sometime I might have a bag of stars I walk on sand and I just Han Solo's out to him I tell anyone get some ice cream so between the lower yard and the canteen takes 30 minutes roughly to walk their waiting line get their stuff so that gives me 30 minutes of talk time mm-hmm but it's about the ice cream for him it's about the talk time for me so it's about trying to find ways and things that they're into to allow for conversation if you had and that's no quick fix man yeah you know oh you got people right here talking about all yeah man you can just tell them this and tell them that but these are the people who spent 20 years in a program learnings about yourself right you you've had to time they don't have the time and many of the young men that's coming into prison the day they're because of the law was changed they're not gonna be 20 years like we were there in three four years six seven months and they're out and it hurts my heart man to see us you us us lose the youth the way we have you know truth be told we've lost the battle it's been lost how many juvenile lifers do you have in prison now the war is being fought but the battle has been lost so I think we need a new narrative on we need a new approach and we need to stop speaking the same old song same old dance man gotta be a little more aggressive a little more attentive and a little more communicate with them a lot more then we have been and hear them out and hear the things they need and you know try to provide those services but it's not just some quick fix minutes for now it's not unfortunately if you make parole in three years man you concerned about being out there in that world you've been here longer than we've been in the world yep you know that's true and I think about that all the time and it's crazy because before all of this media stuff it was just me I'm you know I'm gonna get out and I had like what I want to do now with all this stuff there's a lot of people counting me do a lot of different things added pressure if you will challenge I think I can handle nevertheless though it will be a challenge I'm not afraid to get out but there is a part of me I don't know what he what to do first I'm like you know I'm not getting out like a lot of prisoners you know I'm not getting out broke I'm not getting out I don't have anything to go to so your resources are there I've made a connect connections you know I've put away enough stuff for myself to to be able to give me a nice comfortable entry back into the community I guess it's just more so trying to figure out what that looks like long term yeah and in the world where I can do it I want to do I want to I want to give back to the communities man but truth be told I want to live a life I never had nothing I want to travel I want to do some things and you know I want to come back to San Quentin but right now can i Holly say I would know keeping anyone honey I can't I mean I mean I want to but seeing the world for the first time in you know and just you haven't even celebrated a birthday outside of a holiday so so now you know I can say hey man you know I'm passionate about helping I want to help and I want to do these things and I get home what am i passionate about now I'm free I can be passionate about a whole lot of stuff yeah all right my feelings are gonna be different I eat a certain kind of food I feel a certain kind of way it's going to a certain kind of memories and some of those memories gonna be in prison and some of those the members gonna be other things that I want to do so I just want to honor that in myself and recognize that I will have the opportunity to do things that I want to do and I want to hold myself hostage to something that may not be what I want when I get out of here based on how I feel about that you know and that's just uh she's kind of hot say but I am excited I'm excited to hear about your first date you know you know I've been you know you know it's crazy because I've been I've been just kind of like you know dating and just kind of doing my thing and how do you date what is it well I mean I'd be getting letters from all kind of people bros know people writing in and all that stuff and people coming to visit me and all this kind of stuff and so you know I just been kind of like you know just and not dating like like a real date yeah you know like I'm like dating people with it but it's just it's just it's just talking to people man and it's crazy because it's all the first time experience yeah it's weird and I have to say like to someone I don't know so you know I I don't know that is a I seen a frosting a friend came in here the other day and I said hey I said I said you look tired and she was like what I see you look tired and she said you know let me tell you you know might want to say that to women you know I can be giving the parents like and I said oh I meant like tyrant like sleepy like you ain't get enough sleep and I didn't even dawn on me that tired but I'm thinking I just never even tripped over that those little things like that that I'm learning that I have to be upfront about and say I don't know so I can be ganged up on we're supposed to happen something look like no idiot man but I'm excited about it man it is just so much to be excited about life bro I've never been excited and never been this excited to be alive in my life well that's great man I just never been this excited to be living man yeah well I'm excited for you man appreciate that Wall Street man it's been a pleasure man hey man we you you've been an idol man for for for for for for a long time and and rme being in the juvenile hall man we used to wake up to the show man oh wow the other thing that's crazy turn the show we used to be home used to be on the couches like man you got to turn the show I'm asking because we can check out breath so it's always been like notice the first time being you but it's always being like this disconnection man and through all my years in prison we've had opportunity listen to the radio your show as always hopefully awesome inspiration hey man you are man thank you before you leave though I see you brought I feel like you brought me a tip book like that I could take home with me you know wait a few play the free stock it's a did this did so first stock you invested in with a penny stock does it matter of fact that's in here too that actually did that's it so it's crazy so the thing about this man is that let me see how you did your book this so this is all hand read well it's on computer now before I computers I had to write so this is what's known as this is what's known as the column check system okay and I develop my own system but it's fairly simple it's just a row of columns it's a stock price at the top this one is Microsoft just a ticker symbol okay MSFT and here are dates and so it's every day if you notice there it by month yes January February March and so it's every day that every 28th of 27 of each month and it's the stock prices and a time so you can't see the data here but there's data entries in here and the data entries dust in those columns is stories that happen on that particular day Wow you put that and you document all right what is in my head okay so what what I didn't bring down here today which I'll probably show Kristen bevel is later in my cell I could probably have maybe ten thousand articles mm-hmm they're in pockets and these articles are my computers and so whenever I need to recall information I go into this archive that I got and I got Microsoft and I got a company and I got a whole bunch of articles about Microsoft going back ten years and I can go in and recall this information and this is how I know when they're going and buy and sell these stock prices Wow so let's say for an example the financial crisis hit right yeah I followed all the at that time I follow a lot of the banks so in this if you look at each column and row it shows all the company's stock prices fail or rose at the very same time and that's how I know when I'm buying because all the industry is doing good and so what I do to follow a lot of the foreign companies inside this book sorry so this this part right here you see these are the different industries okay so we've done semiconductor wiring equipment uh-huh internet internet and so under name is all Internet company look on Telecom and so I have Gugu oopsies IPO yesterday to Google in public yeah I remember that so August 19 2004 I have every stock price entry from that in a book Wow not this book just a penny stock book this is the rally stock book and I got one that's a roller stock okay so I got entries from every company in there and that's how I follow the data at this time I kind of got a lot of the times and dates are memorized so it's easy for me to kind of recall from investing or something like that I can just kind of take the other thing so you giving me deep this is like the Holy Grail but but I can't read it without your help that's right okay I'm taking the form but but what I do is I teach the students how to use this coupled with sentiment okay so I tend to think that the markets move 60 60 to 70 I like access to 80 70 80 % on sentiment than it does factual information so most of this is based on speculation so I'm trying to teach me to do is how to use speculation to make money which is the same as the industry standard but a little bit different because if you move a lot on speculation then that means that you don't have this long-term horizon yeah right I call it peaks and valleys so the industry standard is peaks and valleys we move is it in your markets go like this so you're where you get you so you got your 401 K you got your time enjoy right and this is what happens in your retirement goes high up like this it gets to the top and it goes down and so most people do because they're ignorant as they do this they let it go up and just like everything you have what you call a peak price that means that when something is overvalued what do you do you get rid of it so if you buy your car and you've been driving your car down the road for all these different time how do you know you need to oil change car start clunking out so car start cooking I know you get oil changed stock prices rising it hits here there's nowhere else to go yeah so what do you do you do nothing you watch it go all the way back down again and for 20 years you do this so technically you can't never retire because you've never taken any money off the top how the standards are supposed to be is when it gets here just like your car need a car change you take the money off the table the prices go back down and what do they do again you buy at the bottom so when you go put the oil back into car and we fill it again it goes back up to the top it clunks out again and you do the same thing that's how your retirement supposed to work yeah but the big boys don't tell you that because they need you to keep the money inside because they charging you fees to manage it for you if you keep taking the money out they don't get the fees so the standard is different so I'm saying that you don't need to play that standard this standard is a little more better to play that's a lot of gang right Jimmy I appreciate tough to write that down Wall Street has been a absolute pleasure speaking with you man and I know you haven't embraced how people perceive you to be all these these titles they're giving you but know that you're inspiring people whether you embrace it or not you're having a positive effect on folks like the guy in Pelican Bay and his wife reaching out to you you know in here for a reason you know you're not the same person you was then you had a lot to learn and and I see through these programs and in your dedication I definitely see the evolution so congrats preciate that thanks mate my pleasure man thanks for coming through and and and and and much love and respect and thank you very much it it no doubt no doubt we're gonna keep a touch [Laughter]

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