Crazed Stalker Takes Woman Hostage (S5, E9) | I Survived... | Full Episode

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The man that had my sister with the gun behind his back told the other one with the ski mask, "now shoot him." I see this mountain of snow bearing down on us, and I know that it's an avalanche. He holds a gun to my head and he says, "you are going to die today for what you've done to me." It's like your life's a movie almost. It's like you're in watching a horror movie. It was my mom's favorite place on earth to be. She loved getting away from Texas, being able to be in a snow covered white Christmas, and that was our family dream. We looked forward to that every year to get to be able to spend our Christmas vacation together in the mountains with our family. My grams and I started on our snowmobile journey up to the cabin, my mom following behind us. As we got up to the cabin, my hands were freezing so I jumped off, asked mom to hurry and open the cabin. I needed to go run my hands under some water. I made my way up the stairs, opened the door, and I saw a flash of gray move behind the refrigerator. And the next thing I knew, there was a man pointing a revolver at me saying, "get in here, get in here." A second man comes out with thick glasses behind the bedroom, pointing another big black gun at me, and they both immediately started asking me who was with me, and I said, "my mother and my handicapped grandmother." Immediately after mom and grams were brought into the cabin, mom said to them, "what are you here for? What do you want?" My mother just began to have a conversation and the man immediately started to fire at her. And I can remember her grabbing across her chest and saying, "I've been shot." I see my mom go down and then seconds after that I look over to my shoulder and see my grandmother fall after her head had been blown off, and then it was dead silence. I couldn't understand what was happening. I was in a state of shock. You just can't even fathom that this-- it's like your life's a movie almost, just like you're in watching a horror movie. One of the men physically went and threw up in the bathroom, because he said there was so much blood. I started to pray out loud for it to stop, and the man with the fuzzy hair told me to shut up about praying, that it wouldn't work. He was a devil worshipper. The man with the thick glasses took me back to the back bedroom and tied me, put duct tape, a sock in my mouth, duct tape around my mouth and duct taped my wrists and ankles together. And they were in a state of kind of confusion. They weren't kind of sure what to do. They were talking about how to get the bodies out of the cabin. Wanted to destroy-- start to put the cabin on fire so they could destroy all their evidence. Immediately as we got to the garage, the noise of the snowmobiles started to make its way up the driveway. The man in the gray sweatshirt grabbed me around the neck and put his gun to my back and held me tight as we waited for my dad and sister to come in the door. The other man ordered them in at gunpoint to come into the garage. I observed my dad and my sister coming in, and my sister, eyes big, just looking at me like, what, you know, what's going on? We saw the one guy with his arm around my sister's neck and a gun to her back. And the other one that jumped out with the ski mask had a gun drawn on us. "Be quiet! Be quiet!" And they obviously were flustered and then surprised and didn't know what was going on. And my dad says, "what do you guys need? What do you guys need?" And I said, "do you want money? Dad, give them money." "Yeah, yeah, we want money." And slowly my dad unzipped his snow vest and reached into his billfold and threw it on the ground. And as soon as he did that, the one guy said, "now, shoot him." The winter of 2007 was not a good snowmobile season. The snow was minimal. We like to have lots of snow as snowmobilers, and lots of big, fluffy snow, and 2007 was not that year. We still went every weekend, but we just didn't have really good conditions. This particular day, the night before it had snowed a lot. And it was only the three of us, the three of us were experienced riders, and it took experienced riders to get to this bowl. After two hours traveling, we finally get to our spot that we want to be in snowmobiling, the one that we've been after for years. It's this 100 acres, un-treed, steep, cliffed area that snowmobilers love to be in. Snowmobiling is going up and trying to get as high as you can. That's what we're doing in this particular bowl. It's steep, and you're not going to make it to the top. It's just-- you're not going to. It's vertical at the top. The competition here is to see how high you can get on this mountainside, and that's how we outdo each other. This particular time, Brett got stuck on his highmark. And I went up there to help him get unstuck. I did the same thing-- I pulled out right below him, got stuck. And as soon as I jump off my snowmobile, I look up at him and I see him take two big lunges towards me like something, something's not right. And he falls down on his belly, and I know definitely something isn't right. Immediately draws my attention up the hill, and I see this mountain of snow bearing down on us and I know that it's an avalanche. Even though I felt uncomfortable around him, I had spent a lot of time training him and I saw a lot of potential if we can work around this little issue he had going on. So I wanted to keep him. I felt like it was a little high school crush. I didn't know why he was doing this, but I felt like I had control. Within a couple of months, after he gave me the flower and the poem and the cassette tape for Mother's Day, I just, I thought no, I'm, I'm not calling him for work anymore. You know, I can't put up with this. He would continue to call me. He called me at home. He wanted me to meet him with the kids, with my kids, which were at the time just two and three, at a park because he wanted to see me. And I said, "no, absolutely not." I was married and I was not interested in anybody else. A few more months passed and there was minimal contact from him. And then he called me three times one morning at work, and each time I hung up on him. The last time he called he said, "what about that baby you promised me?" And I thought to myself, oh my gosh, this guy has really lost it. He, he'd-- I mean, how bizarre. Why would he think that? And I was, I was afraid at that point. So we put a phone block on the phone so he couldn't call me at work anymore I said, "you know, I have a restraining order on my desk. All I have to do is go get it signed again, and then we will track you down." I said, "you have to leave me alone. You can't keep doing this to me." Almost four months went by and I didn't hear anything from him, so I thought, good. So we took the phone block off the phone. Two weeks later, he came into the store and into the room where I was. And I had my back to the door, and he comes up and he grabs me by the back of the neck and he says, "I got to talk to you." I had no idea who it was, so I jumped out of my chair and saw who it was and he pulls a gun out of his pants. The man that had my sister with a gun behind his back told the other one with the ski mask, "now shoot him!" And he sat there and his gun was drawn, and he sat there and he shook, he goes, "shoot him!" And the one with the ski mask drew the hammer back and aimed and clearly was having a hard time doing it. So the other one that had my sister pulled his gun out and aimed at him, fired twice, and it misfired, the third one went off and hit my dad and my dad fell. And my sister and I ran to each other. I held her tight and I said, "Linae?" She just stayed silent. I said, "Linae-- mom?" She shook her head. "Gram?" Shook her head. And I said, "are they both dead?" She shook her head yes. I just hold her tight and I said, "it's going to be OK. It's going to be OK." And at that moment the feeling to survive kicked in almost like an animal instinct, something I never experienced and don't ever want to experience again. And right then our minds came together and we knew we had come up with a plan. So Linae and I immediately started doing what they told us to do. I remember having-- on the snowmobile ride, thinking, OK, my dad is dead, my mother's dead, my gram's gone. I'm the oldest in the family and now I have this huge responsibility to take care of my little sister. As we were driving, I was in front and my sister was behind me. And I thought, all I have to do is go fast and turn and throw this guy into a tree. And then I remembered, I can't do this. I can't leave my sister. I recognized his, his vehicle. I remember just feeling, Linae, you just gotta be quiet. Don't-- you know, we can't scream out. I just felt just not to make known that we knew him, that he was family. I was fearful that they would kill him. So we passed Randy and just kind of gave him a very basic wave and nod as we would with anyone to be courteous. Passed through and crossed the road to get to the other side where the sheds were and where the car was. So we begin loading up and immediately Linae and I just looked at each other. We knew we had to hurry. We had to hurry, because if these guys knew that my Uncle Randy was there and he was-- we knew him, then they would probably kill him as well. I feel ice chunks and snow covering me up. As the snow is covering me, I can see the daylight fading, and the deeper that I get into the avalanche and into the snow. And as I move down the hill, I could feel myself moving throughout the snow pack. I can see daylight showing through. I know I'm close to the surface. And then it will get dark and it'll be dark for a little bit, and then pretty quick I can see daylight again. I know I'm close to the surface, and then it'll be dark again and I know I'm getting a little bit deeper. In all this, my helmet was ripped off, you know, there's not much air in my lungs at this point in time. I'm trying to swim like that experts say you're supposed to do. This stuff is hard to swim in. It's solid and you just can't move in it. I feel my snowmobile tumble over the top of me. It cartwheeled over the back of my leg. But really I didn't even feel the pain at that point in time, it was just all happening so fast. I've heard that, you know, you can help yourself stay alive a little bit longer by creating that air pocket, so I'm just bringing my hands up to create that air pocket and everything stops moving and then I can't move. I'm just solid. I'm in there. I mean, literally I'm on my way to my face and I just, it's just like I was frozen in this snow. I can't move. When I saw that gun, I mean, part of me was total panic, you know, I need to get out of here. But I think part of me, I really thought, I can control this. I, you know, I, I, I can somehow get out of this. I wasn't sure what was going to happen, but I, you know, I don't know. I wasn't in total panic. I mean, I know I wanted to get out of there, but I really-- at the time, I really didn't think that he was going to pull the trigger right then. I didn't know what to do. So I made eye contact with this other. One other male employee that we have, and he and I dashed for the door. He was going to call 9-1-1, obviously, and I was just trying to get away. So we were out the door and, you know, several, several feet, maybe 10 feet or so, away from the store. And sure enough, Jociel was right on my tail and he knocks me down and drags me right across the sidewalk, up the step, and back into the building. And there I laid on the floor right in this walkway, and people were scattering and, you know, calling 9-1-1, going under their desks. And he holds a gun to my head and he says, "you are going to die today for what you've done to me." When we were in the car and we began speaking with these men, it wasn't an objective make friends with them, it was to be casual. Get them to be comfortable and get information out of them so they're not freaking out and making decisions that we can't anticipate. It was a very quick thought process of what do we need to do to survive? What do we need to do to understand the situation so we can get out of it? We've got to stop this car. We've got to stop proceeding, because my uncle just saw us. At some point he's going to clue in that those girls went somewhere they shouldn't have gone, so we've got to slow down the situation. So immediately I say, "I have to go the restroom, I have to go to the restroom." And as we're driving down, they said, "OK, but if you do anything, anything funny at all, consider your sister dead." We pulled up to the gas station and the driver said, "no, this doesn't look right. I don't feel comfortable. This doesn't look right." So we continued down the road to go to the next town, to the next gas station. As we were in-between the two towns, a cop started coming by us and passing us. The driver immediately began to freak out, "there's a cop, there's a cop, there's a cop, man." The one in the back said, "calm down, cool off, man. It's just a cop. Relax" Continued to proceed, the cop turns around-- I notice in the rearview mirror-- turns around. "He's turning around, he's turning around." And he's like, "what, are you speeding? You idiot. What, are you speeding?" And he's going and the cops start chasing him. As he starts chasing him and moving quicker, another cop starts proceeding towards us. At that point, both men knew something's going on. He gunned it, stepped on the pedal and started to go very, very fast. They started to drive extremely fast, and then at that point I ducked and hid under my coat. I looked over at the speedometer. We were going well over 100 miles an hour on this little road and blowing through this town. He's honking his horn as fast as he can, flying, and there's cops behind us with sirens. And we drive and we eventually come to a turn. The roads are slick. It's winter time and he slides and hits the side of this other gas station. Quickly, all the cops surround the car and draw down on us. He reaches and grabs a gun and goes, "get back, get back, and I'll shoot them. I got hostages. Get back." And so the cops, you know, move their cars back, and he pulls back and proceeds to go down this dugway, this ravine. And he was going way too fast, loses control of the car and hits the side of this dugway and the car pops up and slides down the guardrail and goes backwards. And I remember thinking, oh my gosh, I'm going to go off a cliff. So the avalanche stops moving and miraculously my head's sticking out of the snow. I yell for Kris and Brett. "Kris! Brett!" You know, just just yelling for them, saying their names. "Are you guys OK? We were just in an avalanche." You know, expecting those guys to be able to talk, communicate a little bit. But there was nothing. There was none of that. They couldn't hear. They, they were buried. And then I began to worry. It got all three of us. I was not the only one in this thing. We're in big trouble. That's the point at which I start trying to get myself out of this thing. I start moving my shoulders a little bit as best I could, and freeing up my arms. And as I free up my arms, I can get my arms out and then I can pull myself out of this snow. And it was, it was hard. It was, it was tough to get out of there. I stand up and take a look at this huge field of debris, and it's just, it takes your breath away at how much damage and destruction that this thing has, has done on the area, and I happen to be alive through all of that. It, it takes a minute for that to soak in. It's a pretty sickening feeling when you first come out of the snow and realize your two best friends are buried and they're relying on you-- it's all on you. The decisions I'm making right now are life and death, and I'm going to have to live with them for the rest of my life. I said, what have I done? But when you're on the floor looking into a gun and a crazy man, you know, you don't say a whole lot. You just, you just kind of, I mean, you ask a question and if you don't get an answer you don't insist, because you never know what they're going to do. He finally pulls me to my feet and he takes, he grabs me by the arm and he takes me back to where he had a backpack, back where all this had started. And he gets another gun out of his backpack. I thought, oh my gosh, two guns now. This is not good. My mother was yelling at him to leave, to get out of the building and he said, "say goodbye to your daughter." And he made her leave, made her leave the building. All I knew is that I wanted to keep peace. Here I was with a man with two guns and, you know, what else could I do? If I make him mad, if I yell at him, if I try to run, then all I-- you know, he's going to shoot me. It's very steep and it's winter. The conditions aren't favorable. He loses control of the car and hits the side of the railing. I remember thinking, oh my gosh, we're wrecking this car. And then we went back, at first we went like this and all of a sudden it was like a ride in a roller coaster-- went backward, and that car was like this. I remember seeing nothing but sky. In the moment that the car was falling and I was crouched down, you know, hiding for my life, I just remember feeling scared and cold, and just can imagine that we were going to roll and we were just waiting for any moment to be dead in the car. As we were going down, eventually it just seemed like forever we were going down, and then boom, crash! Right after the car crash, and there was a quick amount of silence just for a few seconds, I heard the one man in the gray sweatshirt turn around to the guy in the back and say, "OK, this is our time to die now." It's almost like they had made a pact that if they were going to get caught-- because they had talked about they never wanted to go back to prison again-- that they had made a pact that they would end it in suicide. So the man driving turned and pointed the gun to the man in the back seat, and he immediately grabbed the gun out of his hand, physically, and opened the door and started firing at the police. Probably since the avalanche hit us, maybe three minutes before I was out, had my shovel out, and I didn't mess around. I got-- I knew what I had to do. As soon as that shovel hit that snow and just kind of went tink, I knew I was in trouble, because I wasn't-- I couldn't hardly penetrate that snow. It was big of chunks of ice. This stuff's hard. So I dug around a little bit there, tried to figure out what I was going to do. In 10 acres I had no idea if I was-- you know, I could be two or three feet off and miss them completely. I had to make a decision then, and it was a tough one, because I knew these guys were relying on me. I needed to take a look around the debris field to see if there was any indicator of them anywhere. The whole time I'm thinking, am I wasting my time here? I should be digging for one of these guys. You know, two or three or four minutes under the snow, and are these guys gonna, you know-- they're dying right now. I spent half an hour digging my snowmobile out, turned it over, and started it right up. It was pretty banged up. After running around the debris field looking for an indicator of where maybe Kris or Brett are, I'm not finding anything. I don't see any gloves. I don't see anything, anything that I was hoping to find sticking out to point me in any sort of a direction as to where they might be. I looked back at the debris field and told my friends that I was sorry for not, not getting them out, not doing what, what they needed me to do at that particular moment. They needed me to dig them out and I couldn't do it. As I left, I told them that I was sorry and that I'd get help. When we were in the room, he sat there and told me story after story about things that I had promised him, including giving him a son. I was going to leave my husband. He had in his mind that I was going to totally change his life. And because I kept refusing to do so, he had no choice but to come and do me harm. I wasn't sure what he was going to do. All I knew was I had two guns pointing at my head the whole time while he was telling me these stories. They were fantasies of a crazy man. It was his reality, but it wasn't my reality. My reality was that I was being held hostage with two guns. The phone rings and he let me pick it up, and on the other end was the hostage negotiator. The negotiator wanted to talk to Jociel, and he wouldn't talk with them. He would allow me to answer the phone and talk with them, but he would not talk with them. And he wanted control of how long I talked, and of course, what I said. All I can think of is my kids at home, you know. And I just knew that I needed to see them again. I needed, I needed to stay alive. I can't, I can't let, let this guy do anything to me. He's come into my space and, you know, and he's trying to ruin my life. I haven't done anything to him. I gave him a job and I haven't done anything. So all I can hang on to is that, you know, I've got my kids at home and I have to see them again. This had been going on for four hours, being held at gunpoint, listening to stories, feeling like I was part of a nightmare that just wouldn't end. And all of a sudden he says, "I want you to take me out." I said, "you mean out the door?" And he said, "no, with a gun." I immediately reached back and grabbed my sister's hand. I said, "duck, duck, Linae," and we hold each other's hand tight and both of us duck down as we're hearing the one in the back shoot up, shoot, shoot, shoot, shoot with the gun. We hear gunfire come back, bullets are hitting the side of the car, going into the leather seats behind us and just piercing it. The guy in the back seat opens the door and uses the door as a shield. And so he's up pointing above, firing at the police all up above. The next point, we hear a shattering of the glass and then they ended up running out of bullets. I remember them saying, "crap, we're out of it, ammunition, the guns are empty." I'd been ducking down and looking up and then seeing a man come to me at gunpoint. And I remember saying, "no!" I thought for an instant that I was going to be shot. It seemed like it was just minutes that they realized, oh goodness, you know, these are the girls. I just remember walking by saying, "these men just killed my family. They murdered my mom and grams and my dad. Shoot them." I remember saying, "just shoot them now." I was screaming it. It's almost like at that point is when my voice came back. I was out of that state of shock and I realized what had actually gone on. These men are in handcuffs and I was hopeful that the policeman would kill them. It seemed quite out of my character to be able to wish death on another human being. I think it was just the initial normal human reaction to if you've just watched your mother murdered, your gram's head blown off, and then your father killed right before your eyes, and that's what I understood. In the hallway my uncle was standing, and I embraced him in a great big hug. And he just said to me, "sweetie, your dad's alive." And I just remember feeling so happy and ecstatic that my dad was still alive. It's a 10 mile trek back out of here with a banged up leg and a big snowmobile and a lot of deep snow. This is going to be a lot of work. On my way out, my mindset was rescue, and that's how I had to do it. The whole day I kept my mind frame that these guys are OK, they're just unresponsive right now. I knew that I had a really tough incline to get to the top of before I could start my descent down to the truck. And I knew that if I got stuck, I was by myself, and it was a big deal to get these things unstuck by yourself. I got stuck on the incline coming back out uphill, only probably a quarter of a mile from the avalanche field. And that was a tough thing to deal with, mentally. I was in this urgent state and my snowmobile's stuck. I can't get out and I got to spend all this time digging this thing out. So I got my snowmobile out and I did not mess around. I didn't care what I hit. I didn't care if I ran over rocks. I didn't care if I ran over trees. I didn't-- all that went out. I was not getting stuck again. I could not get stuck again. And it was just-- it was full throttle to the top of the hill. Now that I'm to the top, I can make it back out of here. I get to the bottom of the hill, start out down the road, and my snowmobile dies. It's dead. It's done. And now I have to walk out with a banged up leg. I know that I'm a long ways away from the truck still, and my leg and ankle now are really hurting. I walk the two miles, and as I finally get to the parking lot I realize there are a couple of families there. I hobble up, my snowmobile pants are shredded, I'm dragging my leg, my helmet is gone. I probably look like I'm in pretty rough shape. And they come over to me, I talk to them about what just happened, and we call-- I use their phone to call 9-1-1. He says, "you have damaged me to this point, you may as well finish me off." I said, "I can't do that." I mean, I can't, I can't kill anybody. I can't-- I've never held a gun. No. No. I said, "you just go out there, they'll take care of you." And he says, "No. You are going to do this to me." He would have me stand up, he put the gun in my hand, he'd wrap his hand around my hand and then hold it to his head. And then I'd say, "no, no, I can't do it. I can't do it." We went through this whole scenario a couple of more times and I kept saying, "no, I can't do it. I can't do it. I cannot pull a trigger." And he said-- and he made it more and more obvious that if I don't then he was going to kill us both. He knelt down on the floor and I stood next to him, facing away from him. I, I didn't want to see. He put the gun in my hand and wrapped his hand around mine and put it to his head. I, I don't know, I don't know what happened, but the trigger was pulled. I heard the gun go off and I dropped it and ran. I never saw what happened after that. I ran through the building, waving my arms so that the SWAT team that was outside would know that that it was me. The SWAT team went in and found him dead on the floor. I survived because I needed to get home to my kids. I needed to still be their mother. And I also survived because I was able to stay calm and not make him any madder than what he already was, and I did what I had to do to get out of the situation. I had hopes all the way through the night that they were still alive, that they were just knocked unconscious, that they couldn't respond. Finally they came in and said that they found one of them. And of course my family was there, and they didn't-- they told my family first, and my family didn't want to tell me. But I knew. As soon as they told my family, I could tell that they found Brett, that he was gone. They found Brett between where I came out of the snow and where my snowmobile was, so that means I walked over the top of him numerous times. I had no way to know. And Kris was so far away from anything that I would've never found him. I survived because I wouldn't give up on my friends. I had a tremendous hope that my friends were still alive and that the rescuers would be able to save them. Randy shows up and tells us that my dad was still alive and we think he's going to pull through. Just wow, I'm the luckiest girl in the world to still have a dad. My daddy was still there. He had gotten up and went inside to find my mother and grandmother. Well, these two men had caught the cabin on fire. So immediately my father caught on fire and he ran to the shower and tore off his snow suit and tried to get the fire off, and so he was left with jeans and a t-shirt. He jumped on the one snowmobile that was there and went as fast as he could down that canyon. I remember my dad telling me all that was on my mind is I have to get my girls. I have to get my girls. We weren't able to see our dad until the following day. Had bandages all around his head, but just such a sigh relief that I could-- knew it was my dad. I saw these beautiful blue eyes and instantly just a huge sense of relief. Running and embracing him and him just hugging and saying "it's all going to be OK." I survived because I have a purpose. I have a lot to give and a lot to share. I survived to be able to share a relationship with my sister. We survived because our instinct told us to. An instinct to survive simply kicked in as soon as those guys shot my dad and Linae and I ran to each other, an instinct to survive kicked in. There was no reason why a beautiful life here or there's simply an instinct to survive, and we're going to do whatever it took to survive. I just knew that that wasn't any other option. Survivors is who we are. Survivors is who we are today. Survivors are who we choose to continue to be.
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Published: Wed Nov 29 2023
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