Conversations - Episode 157 with Louise Reid, Emma Stark and Rob Cates

[Music] [Music] [Music] [Laughter] [Music] me [Music] uh good morning everybody here we are british isles council of prophets really delighted to be with you this morning i think this is our first um september broadcast so here we yes are today is the third so here we go so this is the september piece welcome september and listen great to see you guys online we have actually a couple of our council of prophets are on this morning phil laura beth i see great to have you all and we've got uh sully hall bedfordshire we've got melbourne australia trinidad and tobago oh my goodness this is not just about the british isles but everything that we say this morning is relevant right across the earth so i've got canada as well we've got winnipeg so just welcome everybody it's really good to have you on board and with us we're going to have a great conversation and we've got northern ireland too as well as southern ireland yay there we go and this morning yes yes emma will want the northern irish on yeah listen it's great to have rob with us this morning from london town rob good to see you with your wonderful globe in the background and of course emma from scotland and here i am louise from yes thank you claire nice to see louise back from her holidays yeah i i was one of those ones who actually got away i know emma did as well i don't know whether rob did we got uh eight days in glorious sunshine in lansbaratti which um some people are going you got away and others are well done good for you but uh yes it was wonderful actually to be in a place where covet was not mentioned for a whole over a week isn't it wonderful once you're out in the sun nobody talks about covert so that was great anyway yeah back and a little sun-kissed and a little re-energized and i hope all you guys are too anyway let's get let's get into it this morning we've got lots of stuff that we wanted to talk about and push into rob i'm going to go to you straight away just before we came on air we were talking a little bit about the understanding of rest rather than passivity about um what we need to strive for and what we need not to strive for and a new way of warfaring so rob talk to us hi good morning everyone it's great to be with you i did get away but i actually came up to where emma is i came up to glasgow uh stayed with uh my dear friends uh dan and hannah who are now with emma at par church partridge and nachiro can i say on your holidays you cooked me dinner in glasgow which was very lovely of you well it was very lovely to see you and david so you know it was a joy and it was really fascinating because i had an absolutely amazing time just whizzing off into the highlands and exploring and all kinds of things climbing and walking and but the day emma came for dinner was a horrible day during the day not because of everything better it got better it did but but i woke up in a funk and i could not work out what was going on and i couldn't work out what to do and there was all this swirl going on and one of the things that i really enjoyed about being in scotland was you know it is a radically different country to england it's a different spiritual atmosphere and so as soon as i land in scotland when i get off the plane i'm like oh i can breathe because it's not the spiritual stuff that i have to deal with here in london and and it's not my mandate too so it's like i get to switch off i'm like no this is emma's territory she can deal with it thanks but yeah great right but on the tuesday i i ended up in this park in glasgow and and david and emma said what did you do today and i said i went to this park and do you remember what your response was emma no probably a bit dramatic you're like why did you go to the witchy park oh did i and there's there's a there's a there's a waterfall there and uh as i as i walked into the park i was like there is something funky going on in this park there is something funky here and as i was walking around i realized that the graffiti i was looking at was not graffiti you know it was curses and incantations and all kinds of stuff and i'm stood watching this waterfall which is really beautiful and i'm just kind of tuning into the holy spirit and then i find out that i'm listening to all kinds of other spirits as well that are whispering away and they're going who is he what's he doing here we don't like him let's try and get rid of him what's he doing here what's he doing here we don't know who is he who is he always twittering you know and um and i'm like oh jesus what we're gonna do and he says just become expansive rob just become expansive and so i'd kind of hopped out as far into the river as i could on the stones and was just crouching down watching and then in the spirit i just started to see myself become bigger and i i became uh glowing light and this kind of golden dome emanating out from me and i just saw it starting to push back the darkness and silence the enemy and the lord started to speak to me over the weeks since then the few few weeks since then about this whole idea that um we really are not in equal kingdoms we are we are not in a fair war um we are not on the back foot and that we can do more in the place of knowing our identity and being rooted and grounded in the love and power of god without having to move even our little finger then the enemies do with all of their craziness all of that nonsense that they have to get up to in the night to even get enough power to make someone sneeze and you know jesus is jesus is jesus is infinitely powerful and there's this whole thing that the lord started speaking to me about the fact that we have confused uh rest and passivity and we have confused striving and warfare and so the enemies tried to get us to be passive strivers so yeah what does that mean that means this the lord said to me this morning he said tell people not to mistake noise and physicality for spiritual effectiveness very good yeah and he said this being expansive in the spirit is not the same as expending energy in the physical oh preach yes and i believe very strongly that the place that we're coming into it's rosh hashanah on monday tuesday so for those of you who love all of that uh hooray for those of you who don't hooray um you know we just we just let's let's not get into it but the point is this it's it's a way marker in the year you know it's it's a way marker in the year we are at a transition of seasons and we know that something is coming all the prophets are saying something's coming and i think emma will talk about that the shaking and stuff but we cannot endure it if we don't know how to live in peace and jesus said this to us in john 16 or sorry 14 27 he said my peace i leave with you not as the world gives do i give to you and this whole idea that we cannot look to the world we cannot look to that which is in the physical realm to be our security or that which gives us peace we have to know who we are in the spirit and how to be expansive there and it's really interesting because hebrews 3 and 4 talk about entering into rest and what does he say that he says the children of israel didn't enter into rest because of unbelief it was that unbelief that stopped them being able to enter into the fullness and it was the hardness of their hearts and i really believe that god is looking for a flexibility and a tenderness in our hearts that means we can receive what he wants to say to us to move us into that place of peace where the shakings around us don't cause us to be offended with god now i was at david's tent uh over the bank holiday weekend and one of the words the lord clearly spoke to me was people are coming this is the first massive gathering in the british isles for two years you know 6 000 people in attempt worshiping jesus it was glorious but the lord says this there are people coming who don't even know they're offended with me they don't even know their hearts are hardened they don't even know that they're carrying such deep wounds and trauma from the previous season of covert and all that stuff and here it is if we don't know that god's good we won't tell him that we're upset with him yes because our head will tell us i shouldn't be upset about this my heart shouldn't be offended and yet this will be one of the things this this uh offendedness this offense with god this offense with what he's doing in the earth will prevent us living in rest it will cause us to harden our hearts and then we get that distance between us and god so that's just one of the areas we need to enter give him say god i'm offended i'm upset about this because he's big enough to take it and then can minister us through it but otherwise we end up resistant to the thing that god is doing and we lose our peace and then the enemy can do what he likes because we're we're easy picking then yeah so that's a little bit of what i'm saying very very good isn't it fascinating that i correct me if i'm wrong but i think really the only thing in scripture that we're told to strive for is to enter his rest yeah where things were to seek but strive is such a strong word but actually what are we to strive for to enter his rest i think it's really interesting when you think about that the the children of israel never got there they never got to that place but they had everything else they had the word of the lord they had the signs and the wonders and the miracles but they didn't have his rest which suggests to me that that the rest realm is a deeper a further a better and increase and expanded place beyond signs wonders and miracles so that that understanding of entering his rest is a powerful powerful place rob i love what you're saying about you know about the noise and it's not all it's not all about noise is not equal to power and authority that actually we're learning that deep rest and peace a bit like jesus at the bottom of the boat you know with the disciples i mean i know the scripture says or we often talk about him being asleep i mean i don't think he was asleep and in that sense i think he was actually in the spirit he was with his father he was in that as you talk about in the park well jesus was in that expanded place in rest in peace with his father so when the the disciples woke him up and stormed all around what did he do he just stood up and spoke to the storm it sounds like it's easy-peasy but he was coming from that place of rest and peace so uh such a strong it's not just even it's not like a weapon of our warfare it's almost like the foundation the place the place we need to inhabit um as the place we come from to do warfare emma as as the warfare woman talk to us about warfaring from rest uh yes i i think remember that there's two different armors of god that we're asked to put on in scripture you've got the ephesians armor you know the breastplate of salvation and the sorry the you know the belt of truth righteousness helmet of salvation and very much i'm going to dress as a soldier and it's in the context of great proactivity you know you stand you fight you get the list of the um structure of the kingdom of satan in ephesians you know principalities and powers and rulers and wickedness so you get this very a proactive warfare in ephesians you get a very different warfare in romans 13 where it says put on the armor of light and that sense of uh actually i just dress in his glory and i dress in his light and knows no demon can stand in that place and i think you've got to know is this day a kia monet or ninja ninja kind of time where i'm looking for a demon to cut its head off or is this i just stand in your glory in the rest of your victory i proactively put on the armor of light romans 12 13 and i just stand in um and the glory of god just burns demons that come anywhere close you know the the other verse i would say is in this we we know that we're in that matthew 24 time uh wars rumors of wars famines earthquakes false prophets and false messiahs and we know at the end of time we see acceleration and greater quantity of that we know when we read concepts like the antichrist in scripture only once is it in scripture as a person but three times i think phil sanderson keep me right i think three times it's in scripture as a spirit so we know there are spirits of antichrist so we we feel the uh the rumblings of the shakings continuing we're talking a lot about persecution and in the middle of all of this jesus says in john 16 33 i have told you these things so that in me you might have peace and and god's saying that the only way of jesus saying the only way you're actually going to navigate this is to know that i know that it's happening and that you have peace in that and then the verse goes on in this world you will have trouble or sorrow or trial but fear not or be of good cheer i have overcome the world and i feel like jesus is saying come on you know that a fundamental condition of your salvation is that trouble and suffering and feeling displaced is part of life but the way that you deal with that in the crushing of the tribulation is to have an inner reality of the peace and security of the victory of christ and my outer life i'm in the sense of being in exile and being displaced and being rejected and watching the kingdoms of the world shake but my inner life must be insecurity and peace otherwise we will not survive and i think we think that john 10 10 of i've come to give you abundant life we actually think that means comfortable life and it doesn't and so we don't have a grid for this shaking you are not ever going to have a comfortable life not if you're christian or you're doing something wrong you will have an abundant life that is different but the bedrock is you need peace for what is coming yeah yeah can i jump in there because the word for peace in the hebrew we know is shalom which means an abundance right one of the definitions for that is uh nothing missing nothing lacking and yes it did mean freedom from persecution freedom from oppression bringing into a wide open space and all that kind of thing um but that for us i think in the new testament i think there's some of that in the physical but i think mostly that's a place that the lord is asking us to occupy in the spirit and in our mind because we're transformed by the renewing of our mind and it's like you can be the lord gave me a vision one day i suddenly saw someone in a prison cell and i knew that was somewhere in the middle east it was a very tall uh thing but it wasn't big enough for them to sit down or crouch they were standing and it was very hot and there was a grill in the wall very high at one side and they could they could barely make out the tiniest of blue sky they couldn't see and suddenly i became aware that this was not this was this was real basically the lord told me this was someone in a prison cell somewhere in the middle east that was suffering for their faith but i just saw how much joy they had and the lord said this to me he said your freedom is not a position of your body but a state of your spirit correct and and in that moment like i just i just had to repent and i just had to fall on my knees and say god that place of peace and joy is nothing to do with my physical circumstances and everything to do with my position in the spirit where i am with you and i think we have to get a mindset shift on that yeah really good i awoke this morning actually with that verse um about the piece of god isaiah 26 brilliant first awake too um the the passion puts it like this perfect absolute peace surrounds those whose imaginations are consumed with you they confidently trust in you and don't you feel that whole sense of god is really breaking the power of our soul realm that we're so you know the kind of live your best life which there's so much truth in that we do want to live a good life but he's got something his version of a good life or the best life for us is something completely different and even that that whole realm of uh being prosperous living well uh living in what we consider truth be having a happy life um is that my goodness he is smashing that so strongly to bring us into this level of spirit life where it's heaven to earth and it's for it abundance exactly the john 10 10 that you're you're saying rob is is so true this is an abundant life it's not just a good life or a happy life although we like those ideas but this is an abundant life and it's a much stronger position i mean your idea and your what you're saying there about this the jail scenario let's face it the apostle paul wrote his phenomenal works and his books of joy from a prison cell so we've got a we've got work to do in terms of learning how to live in that place and from that place where we are untethered from our stuck in our soul realm but untethered from that so we can really live and walk in the spirit i mean emma i know you've got some stuff there about even within this shaking what god is doing of shaking some areas of how the church has been stuck in soul realm stuff or even ideologies and how he's shaking that to bring us into a much fuller sense of his kingdom power and authority do you want to go there for a minute or two yeah yeah do you want me to go the one in the spirit realm or do you want me to tell you what i think is shaking which way do you want me to go well yeah i tell you you decide which do you where do you want to go okay i can talk about both i think that the depth of the dismantling is yet to be seen i'd be cautious of the word shaking because i think that's overused and doesn't really express the season that we're entering into you know coverage shakes but i actually believe god is dismantling and i think that it is very painfully close to home and we have for many years gone i'm all right here um and you guys really need jesus out there but actually it's not just that judgment starts in the house of the lord but i think it is the birthing of the purified church that is beginning and so when you birth a purified church or a remnant if you like those words you must have dismantled the structure that supported them and it clearly it is things like um evangelicalism that's a massive one protestantism and even christendom and those are things that we're going to struggle with because there's little elements of truth in them that we quite like but there is a problem and and a sin in the individualism of evangelicalism and so we got to watch how that has barred us from thinking about responsibility in community i think we're going to be um asked to stand against the materialism uh and the selfishness of a materialism that doesn't share all we have i think we're going to be asked to deal with um the domination mindset of the religious right which is par hungry i think we're going to be asked to let go of the concept of christendom of my christian nation as secularism has its place in the kingdom of the world and what this is going to do is really rattle us because these are our structures there are man-made structures they're not biblical structures and it's now really close to home because it's what we like ryan devitus we like the individualism of evangelicalism we like the materialism of capitalism we like the domination of the religious right which tells me you can be first and you can win rather you can spend you can serve and you can give now these are massive massive concepts but the point of this is it's the entire structure of isms and remember we've talked about an ism being an idol okay capitalism thatcherism nationalism patriotism evan evangelicalism also an idol that's massive that is massive and of course we are then needing um a new breed of theologian we are needing a new breed of leader and and that the moses leaders are now going to have to come to the end moses my servant is dead for the joshua leader for this era to arise that's also painful that's painful when gifted anointed amazing leaders are called out or called home by god because actually they were necessary for an era but the era changes and so i think that's why robin and louise and i are on concepts of peace this morning because you're going to have to wrestle or strive into that just because of the level of what is going on and i think what we were saying in the pre-chat of life in the spirit realm where i am not running things through my logic i'm not running things through my training although there's obviously need for logic and training but i'm running things through the holy spirit who is indwelling through the spirit realm and i'm switched on to be sensitized to the conscience of the spirit of god that my conscience and his conscience symbiotically together start to understand what is right and what is wrong and this is a point where i can't just logic it out according to my traditions but i must be in the spirit with a refreshed holy spirit consciousness does that answer the question it yeah awesome questions it doesn't just answer the question it's the powerful words this whole understanding of it's not just a shaking the shaking is the start it's the dismantling and those are huge concepts emma that you've talked about materialism even protestantism individualism evangelicalism etc etc the other ones that you that you mentioned but these are things that are so so strong and built in our own hearts and in our minds and that's why this the striving i'm going to use that word because it's a biblical word to enter his rest and to enter into him where these things where we allow ourselves individually um and even for you guys online and for ourselves for emma rob and myself so that that this these things actually we are not shackled or tethered in any way but that our hearts are pure and clear and clean and we're only clinging and in him so that the dismantling will not um will not take us out there will be believers where the dismantling will take them out if they do not cling and if we do not rest in god know his peace and know his strength because these are they're they're amazing amazing days that we're in so guys i think we've got a whole load of of stuff to get hold of today uh rob just going back to what you said at the beginning about uh we tend to be passive strivers we're actually what we want to be active keep those resting in god in his peace and his joy in his spirit uh not locked in our soul realm um rob do you want to just bless us our time is gone oh the time goes so quickly will you just pray us out pray us into the weekend pray us into right warfare release us into the fullness of the kingdom and the fullness of god please do yeah and i i just feel to really pray as well i'm a very emotional person i'm a creative i'm an emotional person and and for those who are like me who are very sensitive to certain things it can be easy to get spun out by stuff and that's especially for those who are like me and we need to really be diligent with this because our emotions are a gift from god that sensitivity is a gift from god but we're also the ones who are in one sense the easiest to spin out and so i i particularly want to pray for you guys who are like me it's a it's a journey but i'll pray for everyone yes so father god in the name of jesus we just thank you so much lord it's it's hard for us to say we thank you that you're shaking everything that can be shaken but god we want to be those who can say it because it's what you say is good and lord we want to agree with you we don't want to agree with what we feel is comfortable and so father in the name of jesus we ask that you tenderize us that you would sensitize us and that you would enter help us enter into that place of so recognizing your goodness that even when we don't like what is happening we would welcome it because we see that you are in the midst of it and so father i ask particularly for those people who like me are sensitive and emotional god that we would live more in the spirit than in our soul realm father god that we would be yielded to you father god that we would constantly be on guard that we would not strive to wear ourselves out but that we would constantly bring ourselves back to the truths that you are speaking and you are releasing in this season and so father i ask in the name of jesus that you would make us those who are clothed in the armor of light that we would be radically destructive to the kingdom of darkness without even trying most of the time and father god that we would be those who are ready for everything that you have prepared and lord we just thank you so much for your ever increasing kingdom of which there will be no end and so we bless you in jesus name amen amen amen brilliant thank you everybody for joining us uh do like and share and and we will be back on monday morning i'm not sure who's going to be here but we'll be back nine o'clock monday morning with more of the word of the lord okay god bless have a great weekend hi [Music] [Music] [Laughter] [Music] you

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Published: Fri Sep 03 2021