Challenger Approaching - The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time 3D No Logic Randomizer

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now everybody please get excited put your hands together for jim and jim and gamestable i'll leave it to you too to introduce what's going on and you can get the run started whenever you're ready all right excellent thank you very much for the introduction adefs so hello everyone i am gymnast86 and today i'm going to be going through an ocarina of time 3d no logic randomizer seed for you guys uh with me on commentary i have my fellow friend and randomizer developer gamestabled hello that's me but yeah so um we're actually two of the i guess you could say lead developers of this randomizer so in addition to fun gameplay commentary and probably a bunch of glitches that we're going to have to do we can hopefully give some insights into like the randomizer development process as well as we go through this so anyway we can shortly get started here because this is a no logic seed uh it is going to or it has the potential to take a very long time uh because you know we don't know where everything is or we don't know where anything is i should say i also can't spell logic there we go choose no logic as our file name uh so just to quickly explain um what no logic means for anybody who's unfamiliar in a randomizer uh when you whenever you hear the term logic that typically refers to the randomizer's process of placing items in the game in such a way so that the game is still beatable right because it you know players of the randomizer would not be very happy if they couldn't actually beat the game while playing so uh randomizers will always you know go through a pretty hefty algorithmic process to make sure that uh all of the items are placed in areas that are reachable for you to progress to the end now no logic means that there is absolutely no guarantee of that whatsoever right so the game just said all right we're just going to place all the items in this game completely randomly there is absolutely no guarantee that this game is going to be beatable but that's what makes it fun uh so um there is technically a possibility that i cannot beat uh the specific seed that we have here but um due to how open you can make ocarina of time 3d in the randomizer um there's actually a pretty good possibility that we can still uh beat the seed so hopefully that'll be the case and uh we also have a wide variety of glitches at our disposal that we can use to help us get through the game should we not be able to technically get item checks logically at the time that we normally would so i hope that clears everything up uh and with that i believe we can just get started so it looks like on this seed we are starting out with the water medallion um at the start of a seed we will always get a random stoner medallion um and the rest of the stones and medallions will be placed at the ends of dungeons as dungeon rewards for whenever we end up getting around to beating those all right so i think i'm finally ready to start so i can give you a countdown adaf are you ready sure i'm not in charge of the timer but you can give it to me anyway all right excellent uh five four three two one go good luck have fun thank you very much hf no not racing anyone but no i'm racing right now jim oh you are oh man i'm playing the game's unmodified for me though oh i see yeah that makes sense okay i started early i'm already halfway done oh my god game stable keep the secrets and i can't believe game stable is spoiling the seed for us now um so uh even though this is a no logic seed uh there are still some specific things about this seed that are going to not remain shuffled uh you have these specific options in this randomizer to not shuffle things like the kokiri sword so i'm going to be getting the kokiri sword right here uh it's just so that you know if we don't get the kokira sword right away it can take like um a lot of stick farming to really be able to check some things uh until we finally end up getting a sword so uh that's why we just decided to pick up the sword here yeah it doesn't really change anything just prevents you from having to grind money to buy deck of sticks yeah getting some rupees here um one randomizer option that a lot of people who may have played the original ocarina of time randomizer might be familiar with is called shop sanity uh unfortunately we have not implemented shop sanity yet in this randomizer so you're not going to be seeing any random shop items but we will be seeing random items in mido's house we got a sculpture token uh we got another deku stick all right very good uh we got a second sculptura token and we also got a blue rupee all right so nothing of huge value in there unfortunately i'll be going over here so that i can buy a deku shield and then we can make our way over to the deku tree as our first dungeon so as i explained earlier um the medallions and spiritual stones in this randomizer will be randomized to the ends of dungeons so you know normally in the base game uh you would get the kokiri emerald for beating the deku tree um but in this room uh not actually sure what we're gonna get we could get you know the spirit medallion or we could get the goron ruby for all we know so it is a complete mystery as far as the requirements for beating the randomizer go um to defeat ganondorf at the end of ganon's castle we will be needing the light arrows of bow and magic uh so that we can shoot the light arrows and then we are also going to be eating the ganon's castle boss key which in this specific randomizer is going to be locked behind obtaining all six medallions uh so we will uh be needing to find the five medallions that are left since we started this run with the water medallion i also think it's probably worth mentioning uh that similar to a lot of randomizers these days a lot of the major cutscenes are removed yeah so uh a lot of the cutscenes that you would see like at the ends of dungeons or like cut scenes that introduce an area with like some long camera pan uh those have all been removed so we don't have to sit through them uh because it's just you know when you play a lot of randomizers you kind of get sick of watching the cutscenes all the time because you know you want to get to getting all the random items because that's what's exciting about randomizers what is in the slingshot chest the water temple compass oh wow very nice that's a very nice compass to get and we got our first piece of heart and i also jumped all the way down because of a weird camera change yeah um while making the randomizer there's a lot of really interesting changes besides just randomizing the items locations and one of those things is skipping cut seats because it's just convenience for playing the game take out some slow sections um and one of the really interesting things too is changing things that players might not even realize were changed um and what i mean by this is certain requirements that the base game makes it seem like they are a certain requirement but they're actually secretly something else um and a solid example of this is like the the song the ocarina song from chic in the temple of time which in the base game is normally prelude of light in the base game the requirement to unlock that is actually completing forest temple specifically but it might seem like it's having the forest medallion because normally those aren't different than each other but the randomizer changes that requirement to be forest medallion right yeah there's a lot of things where like um where you would assume that the game uh like as gamestable mentioned uh in the base game um you know beating force temple and getting the force medallion are pretty much the same thing um but in the randomizer you know those are two completely different things because the force medallion isn't necessarily going to be at the end of forest temple uh but the game will like not be consistent with like how it checks to see whether or not you've beaten forest temple which is why some of those things then have to be modified uh to have consistency within the randomizer itself all right so we're clearing out a bunch of degree here that skeletal over there gave us a map just not something we want oh we got blue fire all right so very nice what that actually means is that we got a bottle with blue fire uh and bottles are actually very nice uh this means that if i want to um there are glitches that i can do to play in ocarina with the ocarina items glitch now right here i'm trying to do a trick a tricky jump where i jump up to the top floor of the basement here though it's kind of precise so it typically takes a few tries this is better here a little too close to the floor this is a funny trick because this was actually discovered originally on ocular time 3d shortly after the game came out and then afterwards people realized that you could do it in the original october enough time and just no one had ever gotten i did not know that lore was b1 skip already found in vanilla tea ah yeah it was and big shout outs to green a link i'm very surprised that i'm not getting this it's usually not taking me this many effort for this this many effort this many tries to get it how about instead we go do b1 skip a different way there are multiple ways we can do b1 skip here also we can see what map this is the shadow temple map oh man there's a question here in chat jim they ask how do you know exactly what to do if it's completely random with no logic ah so right if there's no logic um my basic strategy is to just check everything that i possibly can um so like you know i don't have to worry about where i find something you know i don't have to think oh okay so now that i got this item it means that i have to go over here right because the game uh isn't trying to place things logically so it's kind of freeing in a sense because i can just check whatever i want knowing that there's you know like there's no there's nothing that i can try and check that is like you know oh this check is definitely not going to be something good because it's out of logic or anything like that so it's basically just you know check everything that you can and then just kind of hope that you uh that you find what you need here all right so this goma fight should go pretty quickly my broken deku stick just five slashes uh thankfully there is a glitch where if you jump attack with a deku stick in certain situations link will just kind of keep the deku stick out even though it's broken um so we can use that to defeat gomo with only a single deku stick and get what is unfortunately a downgrade where the heart container normally is uh yeah jim did a mega side hop off of that deku baba uh in order and we got the light medallion for beating deku tree very nice so that's two medallions down we still need four more uh none of the other ones are going to be as fast as the one that we got from deku tree there you're one third of the way done yeah one exactly well you have a bottle you must be able to beat ganondorf ah yes but yes so um as we mentioned earlier oh nice we got the silver scale that is exactly where the silver scale was earlier in a practice seat i was doing very suspicious gymnasts i swear it's not the same seed that one gave me gorong ruby on deku tree uh but yeah as i was programmed the ability to hard code item locations that is true i did make that function i swear i'm not using it though uh but with the no logic settings um there are of course some items that can potentially be locked um behind locations that using that item would be required to get to right so like the megaton hammer could be locked behind something that requires the megaton hammer to get to which sounds like it might be a little bit of a problem but there are actually glitches we can do to like mimic the effects of uh a megaton hammer swing if it really comes to that so at the beginning of this playthrough there's not going to be too many glitches that we do except for like the mega side hop v1 skip that you saw in deku tree back there um because there's a lot of things that we can get like that don't require us to actually have anything right like you know these open grottos and like heart pieces that are just kind of floating around on the overworld so we'll mostly be doing stuff like that um the routing here is basically that i'm going to go to druido valley uh and then i'm gonna get some of the free floating heart pieces here in jerudale valley and then i'm going to take the river down to lake hylia and go get some business scrubs who will hopefully have some good items for us i'm also being very bad about keeping the tracker up to date here remembering to use trackers is the hardest thing yeah also there's normally a gold sculpture that would be about right here but i'm actually not going to be getting it because i've only set the gold sculptures to be randomized if they are specifically in dungeons and the reason for that is because if i randomize gold skeletal tokens on the overworld as well as in dungeons um it tends to result in a lot of like waiting around for night time because i'm probably not going to get the sun song for a very long time uh so in the interest of you know keeping the randomizer not an exceedingly long length and not having to wait around for a while during certain uh parts of the randomizer i've not randomized world sculpture tokens i might still collect some though because we do still have you know sculptural rewards that we can get at uh 10 20 and 30 gold sculptures from the house of sula it's like even though i know this is a sculptural token up here i'm still gonna get it this will give us three tokens oh that's after i believe the two we found in uh one in mido's house one indeed is that a quality of life change present in ot 3d based game that it tells you how many tokens you have total uh no that is actually uh like just it's something that the original ocarina of time randomizer did and so uh that's just sort of a functionality that uh gamestable was able to copy for making a custom text box that is a wonderful change although do you want to talk about this game stable there's a a very interesting text property that we realized recently where some people seem to like stop getting the text counter midway through their randomizer playthroughs oh yeah so we only so it only the randomizer only changes just you know the text box that normally happens when you get a gold skulltula token uh it turns out that there's two copies of that text box and if you ever talk to the parent of the cursed skulltula family it changes which one it shows you for the rest of the game so we only changed one copy of it and so if you ever talk to that guy it will stop telling you how many tokens you have which is just such an obscure thing that we had no idea so at least i had no idea about that so um it's not corrected yet oh okay we just got the serenade of water that is not a useful song because we already have access to lake hylia but if we manage to find an ocarina at some point that can be used to help reduce overworld traveling a little bit so one of the differences between the original randomizer for like the n64 version and this one is that uh this one currently uses colored ocarina models to show you uh which song that you just got so uh the serenade of water was a darker blue variation of the ocarina of time which we saw right there and so for instance you know something like the bolero of fire is going to be a red ocarina of time etc all right so right now i'm gonna actually have to wait for day time a little bit so i'm gonna try to do this really weird glitch called quick put away uh where i attempt to put away a deku stick right as i walk off the ledge here uh and this is actually going to give us a very interesting property uh that we can use to get inside of a grotto that normally is blocked by a rock that you would need either explosives or the megaton hammer for although this is frame perfect so it can take a few tries here thankfully we do have a lot of day night time to work with and you know if i wasn't trying to do this i'd just be waiting for the day night cycle anyway so as well use the time to do this okay i think that might have been good and we'll go and test it if i did this correctly and i jump slash against the rock in a specific way okay so unfortunately i did not do it correctly i'm actually not quite sure how quick put away works again but basically um if we do quick put away and then we try to hit certain sources with our daku stick with a jump slash we can actually do mega ton hammer damage uh to whatever our jump slash or whatever our debut stick makes contact with which is why if we do it correctly then the boulder is going to explode quick put away is present in ot as well um all right there we go it's a this is a weird glitch yeah you can like shoot it's one of the newest like weird glitches [Music] i think it's a 20 20 glitch i don't remember exactly when it was found but it's recent is it yeah that sounds correct and then i'll be collecting some rupees up here again i had to wait for nighttime anyway uh so we wouldn't have really been doing anything else if i hadn't tried doing quick put away yep the earliest video i can find is exodus from a year ago yeah that glitch did have some really cool implications for speed runs about 3d as well being able to essentially do megaton hammer damage without having the hammer oh now in the market uh not really much we can do here i can do uh the slingshot mini game and that's about it because the bombshoe bowling mini game that we can also do is not open until we manage to find bomb shoes somewhere so i have to be doing that first now this right here one of the best parts about ocarina time 3d is the ability to use gyro aiming uh for aiming for things throughout the game and it will give us a water temple small key all right pretty good small key but the gyro oh sorry i missed that what'd you say that's a pretty good small key yeah that is a pretty good small key uh time does not pass in grottoes no yeah that is correct basically any interior space uh time only passes in the overworld and areas like the one jim is in right now that are like explicitly day night cycle based physical token and then i'm gonna wait for night time oh it is night time uh so that we can now uh bring richard zee back to his owner for another check basically just have to stand around him for a little bit and he will dutifully follow us all the way over here little gallop is so funny i love richard z with all of my heart you're rewarded with five rupees i guess considering the effort that it takes to take richard like a hundred feet away to his home that's a pretty good reward yeah i guess what would you expect if you brought a dog back to its actual owner from in real life yeah that seems about right the front lawn here's five dollars all right so uh we did get the weird egg from malin earlier um the weird egg is not randomized in this playthrough because that makes it uh usually take a very long time before you can actually get zelda's letter uh and wake up talon which unlocks a few more checks similarly we're also not randomizing the gerudo token in this run um just because it makes checking all of brutal fortress like significantly uh faster to do so also uh one question that i saw in chat earlier is uh whether or not this is being played on real hardware or not and the answer is yes uh this is being played on specifically a 2ds xl uh that i happen to play all my 3ds games on uh you can it's pretty easy to set this randomizer up on your own console if you have it um or if you have your own console that is and the way it works is pretty cool it pretty much just uh patches your own copy of the game so like if you just you know have your own cartridge copy of the game it'll just work with it unfortunately we do have the restriction that it currently will only work on the north american version of the game so uh unfortunately it's not particularly easy to get around that um so that's kind of just a restriction that we have to deal with um jim would you like me to plug the uh the discord for ot 3d rando oh yeah sure absolutely if you guys are interested in setting up the randomizer for yourself feel free to join the discord and follow these setup guides that we have there if you want to play for yourself i always enjoy watching people play so now we finally got zelda's letter and we got another sculptural token i believe that makes it six total yes yeah definitely one thing we prioritized in um getting this randomizer put together was making it easily playable with just your 3ds so once you get through the setup you get everything on your 3ds which that setup on its own is fairly straightforward um you can generate new seeds and play over and over again with only your 3ds you never have to reconnect to your computer yeah and like even in uh like in future releases of this randomizer um you'll actually just be able to scan a qr code uh on your 3ds and the randomizer will just like be directly downloaded uh to your home screen which is pretty cool so i'm trying to find the rest of the chickens here there's the last one what is talon's chickens gonna be we got a forest temple small key all right very good we do need at least one of those if we want to get through all the checks in forest temple they're over world sculpture right here online and there's actually i was just going to say that there's actually a grotto at the back of lonlon ranch here which has three deku scrub salesmen that we can use to get some checks uh the only thing we currently can't do at long long range as a child is get the song um that we would get for pulling out the ocarina in front of malin oh nice always wins worse comes to worse how you can cheat yep yeah ferrari's wind is uh oh i don't have enough mine all right hold on go back in here well i wanted to get those three rupees not keeping proper track of my money jim i have an incredibly important pressing pertinent question in chat that i'm sure you never get asked oh boy what is it are you a real gymnast am i a real gymnast oh boy well not anymore i guess you could say the last time i did gymnastics was when i was 14 and that was uh about nine years ago now i seem to remember correct me if i'm wrong i don't remember if this was you this is like 2013 2014 brain wasn't there a video of you like celebrating a pb or world record and you're like doing a flip or something is that you well actually uh with uh there was a wind waker world record i got back in 2014 that hyped someone up so much they made a video of themselves doing like parkour flips that's what it was over and over again [Music] unfortunately we just got scammed by that deku scrub we bought a blue rupee for 10 rupees that's not what we want to see now you may have also noticed that the text box when we buy something from a deku scrub isn't quite correct [Laughter] i'm sorry game stable you know i had to bring this up i'm actually going to get this purple here jump slash through there uh but yeah so the text box actually says bach instead of saying okay uh just don't this was just a bit like an unfortunate uh circumstance due to like how the custom text boxes that we use in places got implemented uh so yeah i hope you guys like bach there's actually some lore behind bach too it was it was present on a pre-release like a nightly build and i thought i had fixed it so it there's been some nightlys after that where it's fixed turns out that the release version the current version gymnast is playing on it came back and we didn't notice before releasing it yeah so it's it's basically become just a cool meme at this point that some people have actually requested not be fixed uh so i guess it's part of the 3d randomizer lore now maybe we can make a separate option for keeping bach a whole option dedicated in the rando we can make as many options as we want [Music] anyway now that we've done all we can at long long ranch it's time for us to go to kakariko village so one of the longer checks in kakariko village is collecting all of the cuckoos for the cuckoo lady but thankfully in the randomizer you can actually choose how many cuckoos you want to be required to like get the reward from her and we've set that to the grand old number of zero which means that we just get her reward by talking to her because collecting cuckoos takes like two minutes it's not particularly exciting similarly with the uh 10 big po reward um from uh the po collector when you're an adult uh we only have to collect one big po to get that reward because it would take a really long time to get you know all 10 big pose from hyrule field just to get that one check just another quality of life type thing i feel like one big po is a really good change yeah it's definitely a nice thing oh man what compass is it it's the ice cavern compass yes that is my favorite compass oh yeah yeah it's a really cool one that's i'm really happy for you genuinely thank you we have a question in chat is this on github uh yes there is a github repository uh that you can see for this i don't know if it's linked anywhere in the chat but i'm sure someone can find it game stable might also be able to find it by just googling ot 3d randomizer yep another degree everything development wise is all public including the source code and yeah github.com gamestable ot3d underscore randomizer i'll put it in the chat right now yeah and speaking of the github and development stuff um development of this has gone through a couple of spurts of activity and inactivity but for the most part it started last august i believe is what i found when i went back and looked yeah like originally i think you gamestable just sort of like wanted to see if you could get the general idea of like random items to work yeah like with uh basically i around this time last year um because you know i suddenly had a bunch of free time oh why is that hmm uh you know something happened i hope that happened you might you probably don't know about it yeah yeah it was you know personal um yeah of course i uh i just made so i made it sort of a randomizer that would only randomize chest contents and oh neat neat trick here jim oh yes wait i'm so glad this is oh that's bad yeah i didn't actually know if that was gonna work with that wall but it's okay i needed to wait till night time anyway jim just tried something that was only discovered like what 2019 i think um an ot runner put blue fire on a bomb of a wall and the bomb of a wall broke and everyone was like what uh so that's in the game so that's good yeah let's see so i'm actually going to uh do a trick that you might have heard of before called the infinite sword glitch though i specifically do not want to do it when i'm talking with someone because that can create bad things that can make bad things start happening uh so isg was actually patched in or isu was attempted to be patched in ot 3d by the developers grezzo um but gamestabled actually decided to just kind of unpatch it so that we can do it in the game now and one of the really weird things about it is that uh if you get isg in this game and then put away your sword uh your sword then has a position in memory that's referred to as not a number and when your sword is like an active hitbox that has that number uh as its position it will basically just collide with everything all at once constantly so using that i was able to just immediately defeat every single statue that was on the map all at once so that i could then climb the ladder and get up to the top so is this similar to zero zero zero or [Music] um it's actually not the same mechanically this interesting this isg hitting everything um property was not really fully understood until really recently actually but it turns out that uh when the calculation happens or whether the sword is hitting some other spherical collision the game says well it isn't not hitting it game stable i'd like to say on behalf of everyone that we love you very much for putting isg back in the game i know it's still in the game but you know properly back in the game sometimes i wonder if it was a mistake it's so powerful you'll never know until it's too late oh yeah one of our friends erin she actually softlocked in one of her recent playthroughs because she got isg at a time that uh like she got it in a very specific situation that just ended up causing a soft block because of the zero zero thing or it's not the zero thing but not a number thing all right oh i think i'm actually going to take a little bit of a detour to the bottom of the well here if navi will show up uh we can do a trick called a navy dive to get to the bottom of the well and the reason i wanted to do this now um actually okay there we go is because i do have a bottom of the well small key uh so that will allow me to uh check everything that's behind a small key in the bottom of the well because even though there are three locked doors in bottom of the well i can actually use a technique called save scumming and i can only uh i can basically use the same small key on uh every single locked door so it's not a glitch that i'm doing like i'm not duplicating the key or anything but the general idea is that i will save also is also a very good idea to come here because we got a very nice uh so i'm going to be saving and then i will be using the key on one of the locked doors i'm going to check what the item behind that locked door is to see if it's useful or not and if it's not useful then i'll just quit the game so that i can get back the small key right and then i know that i don't have to use the small key on that locked door again question in chat uh that's just a general technique that you can use in like any randomizer that allows you to save uh like zelda games do uh question chat here jim that says is danpe patched for a one and done uh can you repeat that i don't think well sure uh is damp a patch so that like you only have to do one dig yeah that is correct um damn pay will always give you the randomized item and you won't you can dig him you can dig up the randomized item anywhere there's actually some more uh yeah that one game disabled wants to touch on this so in the original octane of time there's a oversight glitch i don't know where if you spawn the piece of heart from dampe and don't pick it up and leave the area uh you just can't get the heart piece anymore it won't ever respond you'll only only dig it up once so for acne time for d greso quote unquote fixed this by making it so that he will always be willing to dig up the heart piece again even if you've already gotten it that leads to some funny jokes sometimes like an annual down dampers valentine's day race which is where you get yourself to 20 heart containers uh that sounds only for tampa it sounds horrible yep so in the development of this randomizer though this meant that to make dfa correctly functional we had to fix both the glitch that nintendo left in the game and the glitch that grizzo left in the game so our good time 3d randomizer is the true corrected dampe experience all right so i thought i got a bottom of the well small key but apparently i didn't so uh oops that's my fault definitely not something that i got i still got the hook shotgun i think i may have gotten confused with the shadow temple key that i got or something so i saw you get isg before going in well almost going into the room that you thought you had a key for i assume that you can you know with isg being functional similar to ot you can sculpture a hover and everything yeah so um so the reason that we got isg there um was actually because with the not a number thing with isg um that actually makes it so that uh like the sculpture will just instantly die uh when we go into the room where it is and then we can see what it is right and if it's something useless you know like a deku stick or deku nuts and we're like all right we don't care about that but if it is something useful um at least with the items that i have now i would basically just remember that for later and if it was something that i wanted i would just uh come back to it uh like when i had the opportunity to do so interesting all right so now i'm going to save and quit uh this is going to bring us back to link's house because we saved and quit on the overworld uh saving and quitting in dungeons will bring us back to um the dungeons that we're in so safe warping is a nice way of being able to mitigate the need for overworld travel games table there's a thankfully sorry go ahead jim i was just gonna say thankfully i have enough rupees because i'm gonna go to get some uh deco scrubbed businessmen in the lost woods here gamestable there's a question here in chat what's the total number of randomized items now i know obviously this changes based on what settings you have on but perhaps you have some kind of ubiquitous answer um i'm trying to remember the patch used to say the placed item count as you were generating do you remember what the number was jim uh the total number of item locations in this randomizer is currently 484. there you go uh so that includes um well that this also i believe includes um the shops which are not randomized uh so like that includes like you know even just randomizing something quote randomizing something to its vanilla location um but yeah i believe that includes pretty much everything the 484 but maybe like 400 feet although that also doesn't include [Music] not in this play through i mean yeah it really yeah not in this playthrough it really depends on the settings alright so i'm going to be attempting to do a quick put away here again it was probably too late uh because there are some boulders that we can uh blow up here in lost woods if we have explosives or the hammer that lead to grottos the first one is over here yeah with quick put away it's uh it's a little bit hard to tell if it works or not um because you don't have a visual cue for when it does work versus when it doesn't work in a specific situation if link puts away the stick you know that you were too early but if he doesn't put the way if he doesn't put away the stick you could have been too late or you could have timed it correctly a so training ground small key well that's uh john is not useful [Laughter] yeah once we get to jorito training grounds um you guys are gonna see just how useless the gerudo training grounds small keys actually are [Music] nice all righty we got ourselves some explosives which means that i do not need to do quick put away anymore well i might have to do it for megaton hammer stuff but i don't have to do it for just blowing up rocks here all right so bomb shoes are actually a very powerful tool that we can use because one of the sort of quality of life improvements that the uh that this randomizer has is that if you have bomb shoes you can actually just get bomb shoe drops like from pots or in grass oh that's lovely you never have to worry about potentially running out of bomb shoes yeah the bomb tree drops is a feature that the main uh like the main release of ot randomizer uh hasn't merged in yet um so it wasn't necessarily on the to-do list before this came out but it just sort of happened and we love it so we got it out there yeah so we can use the bomb shoes to open up a hidden grotto here to be two more wolfo's this room is actually very beautiful and i like how they've done it in 3d it's definitely the most beautiful room of the game unfortunately it just contains a heart piece so i don't like it anymore but wow jim is so easily swayed guys jim just turns on a dime like that and then we got one more check back here in sacred forest meadow uh with zarya normally this is where we get zarya's song and like the cutscenes at the end of dungeons the cutscenes where you learn songs uh i mean the cutscene is basically just gone and then you'll get whatever item you're normally supposed to get right here which is more daku nuts oh but actually it's a deku nut upgrade so we can now carry 30 degrees instead of just 20. and then we can make our way back out i feel like those upgrades have a habit of usually showing up at the perfect time like right exactly when you want to refill yeah i find that also i mean regardless of how many deco nuts you like already had getting the upgrade is going to give you at least 10 more always very nice all right next since we have the silver scale i think we're gonna um head down zora's river we can just dive down here we could also do a navy dive to get down here and get to this loading zone but the silver scale is obviously a lot faster i'd like to take this so there are two go ahead gym freestanding heart pieces here one of them is a sculpture token we don't really care about that one so i'm just gonna get this sculpture token i'd like to take a moment here just to say that uh if you're enjoying the content be sure to follow the runner twisha tv slash gymnast 86 link should be showing up in the chat in a moment here jim does lots of 3ds all the speed runs and is uh one of the developers on this randomizer so definitely drop a follow if you are enjoying the the evening yeah there's a lot more features that we have planned for this randomizer than are currently available so you will probably see playthroughs of those in the future also i do not have enough rupees for what i want to do because we've randomized magic beans in this play through uh the bean salesman who we will refer to as bean daddy actually gives us a random item if we pay him 60 rupees so i'm not sure what that is i'll tell everybody i guess we'll just fly over to it oh is it oh i think it's what we want oh boy oh yeah or well okay good we did indeed just find the megaton hammer uh so that's very good uh the megaton hammer will allow us to get through a lot of things as adult link all right so since i unfortunately lost my cuckoo i'm gonna try to do a mega flip right here to get down to this side of zora's river okay very good wow there's so many more flashes in this version of the game yeah i was like okay four five six seven and then it just kept going yeah so having the megaton hammer already is very good news and then we get this check here ooh double defense all right i will take that not like particularly important for anything but devil defense does mean that we probably will not be dying as much if at all considering that we already have six hearts it might be worth explaining like mega flips and mega side hops uh for the uninformed yeah so um i'm actually not quite sure what the mechanics are um behind them to be honest uh i just know that you know link will obviously uh like link will get pushed back at very high speed momentarily by an explosion and if you do a backflip or a side hop while link is getting pushed back like that um you can get a very high speed backflip or a very high speed side hop which will go backwards i think it's just shielding damage in general yeah shielding damage in general that's correct i don't know if game skills can provide a maybe a more nuanced description of it uh i do not know the exact mechanics on why uh mega cy hops and mega flips happen it has something to do with these abilities same with hessing i believe yeah like the invincibility frames you get at the end of a roll which is why you can also do them with just neru's love yeah because you don't need the shield active and it's also why you have a billion frames for nehru's love hesses hey look that's what we were just talking about yeah so this is a forward extended super slide this is not one that uses shielding but it uses uh just the damage that you normally or the recoil that you normally take um when you get hit by an explosion or like an enemy and now we can finally open up this uh wall right here that i tried to open up with blue fire earlier but it didn't quite go very well yeah so jim is holding ess position which actually comes from this game uh it stands for extended super slide position which is not really relevant in almost every other game where people talk about it but anyway um it's just the name for it and it is the region just outside of the dead zone of your control stick uh and it is when you hold it link turns rather than moving and that allows you to do some funky stuff yeah it allows you to basically preserve the speed that you get through specific interactions all right so we got two chests back here and another skull token we're going to give us our second forest temple key and another blue roofie 18 tokens all right so there's actually another chest that we can get in this room i'm actually going to be doing a hover to get over to it uh using the bomb shoes that i have if i can side hop on top of this chest there we go all right so hovering in this game is actually significantly easier um we've been hovering in the original ocarina of time because of the fact that the explosion radius of an explosive will actually like increase in rate the explosion radius will increase faster thanks to the increased frame rate of the game so it basically allows for like majora's mask style bombshell hovering yeah i was just about to say like you did not is incredibly used your backwards momentum wasn't halted or anything and you hovered just fine with just backflip overs yeah there's a a lot of uh instances of things in aggregate time 3d that were not adjusted for the new frame rate and it makes various things either easier or harder or impossible sometimes all right so there's a few more things uh get out in hyrule fields uh just like grottos that have uh rocks over them that we can vlog in the bomb shoes then i'm gonna be going to lake hylia and um i'm going to be using my uh silver scale to get into zora's domain so as child link there's actually two ways you can get into zara's domain you can play zelda's lullaby in zorra's river uh to get to zoro's domain or you can dive down in from lake hylia to get to zora's domain i remember the first time that i played any ocarina of time randomizer at all i was like that was the one thing that i forgot about that would have made my seat a lot easier if i had realized it that i did not need zelda's lullaby to get into zoro's domain as child had to bonk that tree of course yeah something cool about these randomizers um is that even with logic you often have to do uh strategies that you wouldn't have ever considered maybe in a casual play through things like using the silver scale to go to soros domain from like highly uh so another hidden grotto right here or another shadow temple small key i can climb the ladder to like hylia yeah um like the fact that you can you know uh the fact that there are a lot of unintentional strategies obviously comes from the fact that uh you can basically or there's the possibility of you being able to use pretty much any item right away depending on like where items get placed um and so there are actually some other like things that you kind of have to account for on the development side um due to the fact that you now can or due to the fact that the player now has items a lot earlier than they normally would like in the vanilla game so like the the biggest example of this is in the fire temple um there's normally a locked door right at the beginning of fire temple uh that you actually can't uh get to until you have the megaton hammer right also looks like we have a uh a song right here wanna say this is the song of storms yes all right very cool so we'll file that away for later use because we still don't have an ocarina so playing songs still takes a bit of a glitch setup to do uh but back to the fire temple um so like at the beginning of the dungeon there's a there are two locked doors right there's the one that the players can just go to normally and there's one that the players can go to uh for the boss key loop if they already have the megaton hammer but before those two doors there's only a single small chest that the players can get right so logically to um progress through the fire temple at that point you need to like the player needs to get a small key right like there's no other choice there um but this presents a problem because as the developer you can't like force the player to use that small key on a specific door right so you don't know which door the player is going to try to use the small key on uh which presents a little bit of a logical roadblock in fire temple because you know if you just are like oh okay yeah like the player should just use the locked key on this door like well the player is not going to know that you want them to do that necessarily um so you sort of have to put a safeguard in place to make sure that the player can't accidentally lock themselves out logically of being able to beat the temple for instance uh so the solution that we currently have in place for that which um the original ocular time randomizer also does to an extent is we just completely remove the locked door that would be behind using the megaton hammer so it's just like a regular door that doesn't have a lock on it anymore which greatly simplifies like uh you know what you would have to do to like uh force the player to try to use the first locked or use the first key that they get on a specific locked door now we're gonna check the heart piece just that's over here but we have to light all the torches to make this happen jim this is the logic pro for this randomizer yeah the the biggest role that i took on in development was more or less just copying over the logic from the original game uh and adapting it for ocarina time 3d um a lot like 99 of it works the exact same way right because this game is a very faithful remake of the original ocarina of time but there are a few things that needed to be accounted for where 3d is different and there would be different logical requirements necessary for some things but they're all like typically small mundane things uh like a sculptural a token being in like a slightly different location or something like that anyway uh because we don't have rito's letter we're going to use a technique called a triple slash clip to get past kings or right here and get out to lord jabu-jab and then once we're out here um i'm going to be using a deco stick jump slash to clip inside of jabu so that i don't have to go and get a fish to be able to get inside yeah jim you have an empty because i do have a bottle i could go get a could have gotten a fish for the fans i mean i guess i do technically need to collect a fish anyway but i don't necessarily need to collect a fish but um it might be useful to collect a fish for a glitch that we might want to do in the forest so one of the quality of life changes about jabu is that we don't have to go through any of the cutscenes with rudolph we just instantly can uh pick her up and escort her through the dungeon so i don't have the boomerang right now which means that i probably won't be able to complete uh jabu but i still wanted to go here uh anyway just because you know who knows there might be something useful here just like there was in bottom of the well like a recovery heart for instance that's usually nice did you see that stingray doing backflips yeah yeah if you collect the item all the stingray does that i think they just keep on doing that forever like until you actually uh finish collecting the item the biggest heresy in ocarina of time is still that the bubbles are called sha-bombs and the bubbles are called bubbles oh actually speaking of shabbat oh my gosh uh game stabled over here is actually the resident shabam expert of ocarina oh is this true it's none of you guys i would love a like a dissertation level just tell me everything and there is to know um okay well here i'll tell you two interesting facts about shabops i love that um if you shoot them with a slingshot they gain they absorb one tenth of the momentum from the sea so you can you can it's like a it's vector addition so you can you know change their velocity by shooting them and they get one tenth of the momentum out of the deck and this is amazing much more potentially interesting thing there's an unused behavior in the sha-bombs that uh all the code is there they just don't use it but if you attack them instead of exploding they will like get very small and like expand back to full size and never die they'll sort of just like constantly linger and grow back to shape games table thank you for blessing me with this knowledge yeah it's very crucial knowledge actually probably i would agree for more daily shabom plaques please follow gamestabled on twitter oh my gosh twitter.comgamestable all right so in this room i first want to put my take nuts and actually kill the first sting waiter sting away sting ray with rudo don't have to worry about it after this i mean unless this chest is the boomerang which would be uh probably not oh well we'll take that anyway uh we'll pretty much only be able to get a few more sculpture tokens here and then we won't be able to actually beat jabu until we have the bridge there's some more scotland tokens we can get down here because i have the slingshot i can actually easily over here to see what it is these uh beery enemies are a bit annoying when you can't kill them so that is a heart piece and this oh that's a small key i only have seven bomb shoes so i'm actually not very confident that i'll be able to hover back up there there it is you can get isg in the room above and then die hop down with your shield out stick to the gold sculpture like hover oh yeah and it will kill the sculpture and then you can get it to reward all right now i'll think about that while i set up this trick and so there's actually a trick that i'm going to try to do here i'm probably going to fail it but i want to try it anyway okay yeah uh i wanted to try and mega flip off of that beery right there because there's one more gold sculpture that i can get deep within the dungeon here i can't beat the dungeon the normal way to go get it uh because that requires the boomerang but try it one more time if we don't get it then it's not a big deal game stable can i ask one more cursed question about the sha-bombs uh yes my brain won't leave me alone i'll let jim try this and then i'll i'll just let loose with my question i hope i know this time i'll try doing it all right i'm more trying i don't want to run out of bomb shoes right here okay so unfortunately a little too far forward well that's fine so game stable yes you said that shooting projectiles at the shabam is like vector edition do they maintain those or do they continue to accelerate in whatever they were already doing so like if i shoot a shabam in exactly the opposite vector of its current movement vector can i get it to stay in place forever um not quite because they're subject to gravity and if i so now i'm getting into so when they detect that they hit a wall they get some random amount of okay it's not actually really random but they get some some velocity from the wall um and i think that eventually gravity will get it down to the floor and even if it's sitting on the floor it will uh still see that it touched to the floor and get a little bit of boom from it this greatly saddens me yeah so i don't i don't think you could quite get them to just stand still forever unfortunately but i could be remembering wrong actually i can't believe game stable killed adaf's shabam i just i don't know what to do anymore i used to go to sleep just dreaming about sha-bombs never moving again and now i can't have that anymore i don't know i'm gonna be quiet for a bit guys i'm sorry all right well so now we can get one of the chicks that uh requires the slingshot and it's of course more deco nuts because you know what else would we get well we've done quite a bit of stuff as child links so far uh i believe it might be time for us to move on to doing stuff as adult link since adult link has a lot more utility than chaya link typically has will allow us to go through a lot more dungeons all right i'm back i had some time to think and i've decided that i still like shabons i can respect that decision my opinion of game stable has changed greatly [Music] though i will just be back walking across hyrule field here there is a patch of grass that i'm gonna try to tackle though so that i can hopefully get some more bombshew drops got 10 more bomb shoes am i up to date on my tracker i think i am i guess imagine how many more features this randomizer could have had by now if i didn't spend so much time studying sha-bombs [Laughter] didn't you didn't you studied shaboms before working on this uh i think so it's something that i left unfinished for a while and then went back to couldn't stay away look if no one else is going to thank you for your work i'll do it so all right so don't have any cut scenes in the temple of time or cutscenes related to like having to pick up the master sword so we'll just immediately be a dull link after we pick this up here [Music] the specific capture board manufacturer for this was katsukiti although the board was actually like soldered on by the uh european distributor murky who unfortunately i don't think is making boards anything i think both of them are done katsukiti went out of business and murky is done yeah and loopy is always on those forums saying he's gonna make more you know i think there was a batch that went out recently from looping yeah it was like the thirst uh maybe nine months ago but it was only for base 3ds i think oh actually i just remembered something i have bomb shoes which means that it is time for christmas yeah 17 should be enough all right so um to create the rainbow bridge to gannon's castle in this randomizer we technically need to get all six uh sage medallions currently we only have two we only have the light medallion and the water medallion um however because this is no logic there very well could be something that we need inside gannon's castle that we do not have yet so i'm actually going to go into gannon's castle early with the power of easy bombshe hovering oh you have a key in there as well yeah i do have the key although the key is not particularly useful right now um because of the fact that the one chest the key locks requires zelda's lullaby which is another item that we do not have for a song that we will all right so i got isg off of the like little text that you get for checking the golden gauntlet stone now i can do again majora's mask style bomb shoe hovering here oh my god it's so easy yeah it's it's so easy you don't even have to get over there you're like all right i've got eight that should be enough all right so first i'm actually uh because none of the trials are enabled we can just immediately go into here again we're not beating the game right now because we don't have the ganon's castle boss key so we wouldn't be able to get um all the way up to gamdorf anyway and we also don't have a bow or light arrows or magic so even if we could get to ganondorf we wouldn't be able to beat him [Music] fighting without magic gosh okay we got a goodness also ot 3d does not have power crouch stab correct that is correct there is no power crush [Music] a couple people have suggested putting that back in for the randomizer but it's my philosophy and i think gymnasts and probably other developers that we actually don't want to do that um the lack of power crouched up is kind of i feel at least like kind of core to that separate identity of ot 3d um and and i think it's actually part of the fun of the game like introducing more unique uh combat strategies so yeah i don't know just some developer insight for you hey i respect that position yeah i would say that i'm kind of the same way also though uh another gtg key how useful um i would say that i'm not like strictly opposed to making it like an option that people can select if they want to yeah sure like i personally myself would never use it if it was an option yeah if it was if if it was developed then it could totally be an option but uh yeah it's not not a setting that i personally would use i think yeah grezzo fixed quote unquote power crouch stab in ot 3d which always begs the question if it was intended or not like obviously the use of power crouch 7 oot is further than what nintendo probably would have wanted but whether or not the like base mechanic is intended is weird it was actually in the u.s release of majora's mask as well oh that's right yeah i'm leaning towards it probably wasn't intended but like at the same time it's so cool and so useful you know yeah makes fighting things a lot easier it also makes isg like super useful even more so than it already is all right so we've collected a few things in gannon's tower so far but we haven't quite hit christmas time yet uh so uh for christmas uh christmas refers to the circle of chess that's in the light trial however the light trial is blocked by a giant stone that you need golden gauntlets to normally get out of the way but instead we can use uh two tricks the first one is going to be our good friend the bombshell hovering to get on top of the stone good yep and then we're also going to do a trick known as a ledge clip uh where we can change the way or the angle that link has when he falls down a ledge by targeting a wall on the same frame that we grab the edge so now link is inside the stone and where are we there we go you've gotten past it and now we are in the christmas room so there are six chests here uh once i defeat these enemies a seventh one will spawn and so now we get seven straight checks all in a row let's see what the randomizer has prepared for our christmas today more bomb shoes all right we'll always take more mom another judo training grounds key which we will not be using i'll sculpture a token we have a heart piece we have deku nuts we have another gold sculpture token and finally we have a blue roofie all right well i guess we were naughty for christmas this year so we didn't get anything good that's probably something relating to bombs if i had to guess wow at some point you just haven't embraced the means get these deku scrubs we did get the claim check uh oh and we gotta go on two next so i have a question about the fact that you just got the claim check because the child trade sequence was in proper place um so is the adult trade sequence just randomized or uh yeah currently for the adult trade sequence um it basically doesn't exist we basically just uh like the simplest implementation of it is to just throw the claim check into the item pool uh and then have players turn that into big goron at the top of death mountain uh trail because there's a bunch of uh complicated logic that would have to go into like making sure that you know the trade quest is beatable right uh if we wanted to like leave it the same way so uh it's sort of just like a placeholder for now we just throw the claim check into the item pool i guess we got the goron tunic we can equip that and make our way over to kakariko village so that we can do all the fun stuff we have there you can go for the rng big i could go for the rng big bow isn't that only like a 10 chance i want to say it's one and eight but i'm not sure i think games tabled is right yeah i think it's one and eight but if you're on a pona it's obviously greater yeah i mean he has like it's basically guaranteed if you're on opponent i mean i also i still don't have the bow so it would be pretty hard to kill the big bow if i did manage to get one okay i guess we're just going to climb that ledge uh because we have more than 20 gold scotchla tokens there's another check we can get here in the house of skulltula wow all righty that means that we can now beat jabu-jabu's belly so what are the what are the ways to find out the medallions and stones that are placed at the end of each dungeon so yeah currently uh we just show them to you inside the menu that we've created um also nice green rupee uh it's the same menu that shows you like um how many keys you have in each dungeon and whether or not you have the boss key for those dungeons so yeah i haven't filled the like i haven't filled that out yet but it's something i should probably do at some point but first we have to erase our good pal dampe now actually i forgot there's a bomb or a bomb shoe drop that we can get back here uh so dampe is actually a little bit easier or the damn pay race i should say is easier in 3d because of the fact that link just kind of rolls faster uh compared to the n64 version so you can get times of like you know mid to low 40s uh with the race in ot 3d whereas usually you'd be getting like a high 40s time uh the original game assuming you don't hit any fire of course it's funny right after this randomizer came out and we saw some people playing it we were used to um n64 ot a lot of them were like oh my gosh on my first tray i gotta do pb on the dampe race a 44 wow does anyone have this i thought you had to ask for sub 45. oh sorry okay let me take that i do not have the song of time or an ocarina so i would like to avoid out here instead of getting trapped back there and they race the second time because dampe has two items there's the item in the chest and then there is uh the heart piece that he normally spawns this is another one of those like um interesting item locations that need to be patched for the randomizer because in the base game the way damp determines which reward to give you here is not actually whether you've already won the race once it's whether you already have the hook shot and in fact it's not even that it's whether you have an item in your hookshot slot so that's one of those like strange obscure things kind of that the randomizer needs to correct so that playthroughs don't get messed up so in the n64 version you could rba a bottle over hook shot slot never get the hook shot and then win the race once and get a heart yep fun and i believe that's actually done in 100 speed runs i although that route is so strange now yeah that round it's a beyond comprehension all right so things that we're still looking out for in this seed we still need magic we still need a bow and we still need light arrows and it would be nice to like actually uh get like bombs at some point then next uh we can go off to dodongo's cavern this is just up to death mountain trail here uh you can't do donagho's cavern as either child or adult link but it's significantly faster to do the whole thing as adult link just because adult link can kind of cheese a bunch of the puzzles in ways that child link can't and there's also no giant boulder blocking the entrance as adults we can just walk in right away anyway pick up some rocks first because that's what you normally do a switch over here and this switch opens up a door on the other side of the room but i'm actually going to be going this way first because there is a deco scrub located all the way back here we would like to purchase an item from and i'm gonna save work just because i don't really want to feel like fighting some lizalfos right now uh there are two more sculptures on that side of the dungeon on the first floor that i can also get [Music] i think actually because i don't have hover boots they working there might have technically been the slower option also i just realized i had the hammer so i don't know why i was using bomb shoes earlier because it just feels good it feels right it does feel good to use bomb shoes uh for this one though i actually am going to have to use a bomb shoe because i want to check what this is that looks like more deco nuts i think we can ignore that here we got money for all the other deku scrubs that we're going to buy items from in this cavern now we can go to the other side [Music] all right so first we got a decrease scrub here going to give us a larger bullet bag all right [Music] we got the map chest or deco seats i guess i'm also missing um any kind of boots currently because i don't i don't have either the iron boots or the hover boots there's a really fun glitch you can do in oot3d called hook shot jumping if you have the hook shots and either iron boots or hover boots which can help speed up a lot of areas we'll probably be seeing some of that so we get a pair of boots that we can use and we also still don't have an ocarina which we can get around technically uh there's a glitch we can do called ocarina items which if you've played the original game you're probably familiar with it um it doesn't work the exact same way in 3d we can't just uh straight up use it um with a bottle oh well there's our long shot nice a very good item that we can have see can i reach this i think so back up just a little bit see what this is i believe that's the ground bracelet oh yeah all right well this room was loaded so that's pretty good nice and our first strength upgrade yeah um the way that i would do ocarina items currently is i would have to either do quick draw ocarina items or quick put away ocarina items and then i'd be able to play uh any of the songs that i have actually i can't check what songs i have because i don't have an ocarina it's obviously you're supposed to get the ocarina before you have the ability to play any songs i think i might have collected a song that i didn't account for on the tracker but i guess we'll see about that once we actually get an ocarina no i i think the second castle small key which is not useful excellent i think it was just surya's song of storms and serenade right i think that's correct check the bomb bag chest as adult link we can just kind of jump over to where the bomb bag chest is we don't have to go through any of like the slingshot puzzles or anything and this is part of the reason oh okay speaking of ocarinas wow uh dc this is a very loaded denominator dc really coming in is this the other ocarina oh no actually that's even better so dango's cavern was definitely where we wanted to come to right now all right i'm exploding let's see i guess we still technically need um we still need a bow magic and light arrows if we want to beat the game so we didn't really make any progress on either of those fronts but we now have the tools to check uh quite a lot of the rest of the game oh and there's nocturne of shadow all right so interesting fact about the nocturne of shadow is that we can technically beat the game now uh that we found nocturne of shadow because there's actually a somewhat complicated wrong work you can do um but we would like to actually try to beat the seed the way you like normally would when a randomizer by collecting all six medallions and getting the ganon's castle boss key so uh the only reason i'd be using the wrong work to the final boss is if somehow i was not able to complete this seed using that method alright so we found what five big items in dodongo's cavern so far does anyone have predictions on what the uh sculpture and the backs gonna be if it's gonna keep up the trend of necessary items i think it's the uh i think it's the blur of fire bolero fire all right i think it's gonna be i think it's gonna be a bottle even though i know you already have one right i mean more bottles is always good now it's actually just a bomb drop if you squint is the glare of a fire exactly oh that doesn't stay down oh yeah no ground jumps yeah so uh one of the other things that you can't do in ot 3d at least you can't do easily um is a ground jump there are still technically ways that you can do ground jumps but they're not very easy to set up so they're not useful for most practical purposes oh my god the block push also yes the randomizer does uh speed up all of the block well not actually not all the block pushing but a significant number of the block pushing i'm sure game stable does interesting things he could say about what he had to go through to get the block pushing to um work actually not too bad um right before that game's table sorry uh jim if it's all right with you we could take the first break after you beat kingdom dongle ah yep that sounds good and sorry game stable go ahead yeah no no worries um the funny thing about the blocks is they actually do move a little bit faster just because of the frame rate they move they accelerate and move the same amount per frame as ot randomizer but since the frame rate uh is greater that means they actually move faster overall just a little fun fact i guess i'm i love these knowledge drops games table this is great all right so king dadango is not a very hard boss so he was defeated pretty easily uh interesting thing is that as adult link in this game um you can actually just like hold out a bomb above your head and walk into king dadango and he'll just eat it up uh because of how high adult link stands so that means you can also defeat king dada pretty easily even if you just have bomb shoes which is pretty cool dadango's cavern done we'll see what the uh the reward is and then we'll we'll kick to the first break the shadow medallion all right very nice so if you want to give a countdown to pause the timer uh yep uh three two one pause awesome gamers don't go anywhere we will be right back with more ocarina of time 3d randomizer more gymnasts more games table more challenger approaching i'm just to give you an opportunity here to just get up stretch your legs get some water and we'll be right back with more gdq hotfix right after this hello everybody and welcome back to the games done quick hotfix i hope you enjoyed your break we're back with challenger approaching as always i'm adef your host we'll be back with more ocarina of time randomizer in just a second but a quick announcement information on all of our hotfix shows is available at gamesunquick.com hotfix and from there you can find out more information about submitting your runs to any of our weekly shows if you think you fit the bill please let us know and with that jim you can give a countdown whenever you're ready and sort of re-explain what's going on here all right excellent so uh yeah we can we can unpause the timer again in five four three two one go all right so we just beat dinongo's cavern and we got to the shadow medallion for doing so um we got quite a few items in dadango's cavern we got uh a bomb bag we got an ocarina we got to the long shot and we got the goron bracelet so it was an extremely good haul for us to go and do that next i believe we're gonna go do goron city and fire temple related things since we do have the megaton hammer and we currently have actually we don't have any fire temple small keys so we actually won't be able to do very much but i still want to go this way anyway just to get all the checks that we have over here and yeah for anyone just joining in uh this is uh the akron design 3d randomizers so if you've seen it you know an ocarina of time randomizer it's pretty similar um and this is a no logic run to be more precise so there is no logic to item placement so anything can be anywhere um and gamestabled if you'd like to you know piggyback off that oh i was just gonna ask jim did you get the song of storms earlier trying to remember oh yes i did that's actually a very good point uh there is in fact a song of storm's grotto uh just outside goron city that i will want to go check before i get this sculpture really quick yeah thank you for reminding me about that yeah unless it's an ice trap then i'm not gonna like you oh my gosh oh we haven't seen any ice traps yet yeah that's true i mean there actually aren't that many in the pool i think there are only like eight uh with the current settings so we might have not seen any yet yeah so there's a bunch of grottos around the world that you can open up with the song of storms like this one daegu nuts oh actually i'm gonna use this opportunity to get a fish yeah so dungeon rewards are still dungeon rewards uh but the stones and medallions have been shuffled um and then it is not shop sanity it is not school sanity except for within dungeons that is correct it is key sanity though in all aspects small keys and boss keys can be anywhere all right so because i have the long shot i can do this to get up here there's actually a grotto here uh that has three scrub salesmen so i get three things here very normal place for forest dwellers to live oh there's the fire temple boss key all right that's actually really nice yeah that means that we can beat volvagia now we also got the largest bullet bag upgrade there are no more bullet bags in the item pool so i take it that uh if you like for example same way how if you pick up where you got the long shot without getting the hook shot you would get the hook shot and then the next one would be the long shot i assume it works the same for like bomb bag and bullet bag upgrades yeah that's correct so the bomb bags the bullet bags uh the bows the slingshots um i guess that is the bullet bag but um all of those things are what we call progressive items which means that no matter which one you get first it's always going to be the first or like the lowest upgrade of all the possible upgrades and then the second one you get is gonna build off of that one and then the final one you get is gonna be the biggest one regardless of the order that you collected them in right because obviously if they're if they're both in like you know set locations then getting the biggest upgrade first might be a bit of a problem because then if you get the smaller one you're permanently downgraded which would not be very good right here i'm going to do a trick called a hook shot clip to get in here to the fire temple boss key chest all for that sweet sweet sculpture token then i can save warp to get back out hook shot clipping is a very useful technique in this game that it's not used or like we haven't seen a lot of it yet but we may see a lot of it later on and then we can go around the uh boss key loop here i guess i didn't actually need to do that hook shot clip because i could have just gone around the boss key loop but oh well is that door is that door not typically a locked door uh no so that's what i was talking about earlier like i think half an hour ago with um the fact that we removed one of the locked doors so that players uh could not accidentally key lock themselves out okay of being able to beat their seat if they had to beat the fire temple um because before this the door we just came through and the other locked door in the dungeon there's only a single chest right which means that there's only one opportunity to give the player a small key uh which means that uh like if like there's no logical way to make sure that players can't logically lock themselves out of their seat if you have both of the locked doors there and the small keys are like limited to only being in the fire temple for instance right so as the solution to that that locked door is now gone and the reason that's not a problem in the base game is because the base game can rightfully assume that you're not going to have the megaton hammer the first time you come in right oh man the flare dancer got me they didn't really think bottle on b was going to be a problem yeah how dare they not take glitches into account for their no foolish truly i mean ba is so easy to understand so i just don't unders i don't get it oh all right that's a very nice thing to get uh having magic means that we can also now use ferrari's wind now that we got a very long time ago so i guess we're opening this up because i don't want to go around the other way we're going to leave the gore on here though he can get himself out at this point he does if you leave he does go all right so we do not have any small keys which means we can't progress through the other side uh but that's fine we do actually have the boss key that we just got back in gorham city so we can in fact defeat volvagia but there is one chest we can get here [Music] first another gtg key i would have laughed if that was a fire temple small key how does this not reach i guess you can actually jump uh from this platform to the upper portion right here uh actually and just go fight volvagia even without the hover boots or going all the way up to the top of the fire temple to hit down the platform so that's very good all right so volvagia actually has an interesting strategy we can use um there's actually two volvagias that are like uh in this boss fight there's the one that flies around and then there's the one that pops up out of the holes so the one that flies around is actually in this hole in front of us so i'm actually just going to use bomb shoes to uh deal damage to that volvagia right now and then also stun this one quickly so that doesn't try to breathe fire at us while we're doing this hit it nine times and that should be enough to then just kill volvagia with one jump slash right here yep all right an interesting so that makes the fight a lot quicker an interesting side effect of that too is that and i don't really know if and jim you can let me know if weird shotting is the capability in ot 3d not really no but in normal oot you can weird shot with a bow and you can without even activating the boss fight just kill volvagia from below and then when you activate the boss fight she has effectively zero health there's a similar sort of effect in lot3d randomizer specifically because of the isg effect where it hits everything um you can just kind of get isg before the fight and just hang out hang out for a couple seconds and then when you start the fight volvagio will have no health that is wonderful so it looks like the item that would have been up there isn't that particularly useful all right so i'm trying to think about what we want to do next i guess we could go to forest temple because we do have zarya's song so we can get past mido in the lost woods again we didn't have any fire temple small keys so we couldn't progress any farther through fire temple [Music] even if we didn't have sorry a song or an ocarina there are a couple other ways we can get around mido uh the backflip method that you might be familiar with in the original game doesn't work here so that's not something that we would do but we do have the options of say there's a glitch we can do called ledge cancel which allows us to walk through uh pretty much any actors we can also do a hook shot jump to on to get to an unloaded part of lost woods and not have to worry about mito being in the way or we could also just straight up hover over him if he wanted to yes wait you never see that set up anymore in normal oot i'm very happy to see that well yeah we don't have ground jumping so unless you're playing like glitchless i guess yeah i feel like they would have to do that in glitchless yeah that's a cool jump that we get to see the daegu tree compass now finally there is that one check left of deku tree that you weren't able to get when you were there that is true there is one skullchula that we weren't able to get in deku tree oh another compass yo man we're getting so many compasses this is great [Music] so where are the other medallions jim uh so the other medallions are going to be at the end of jabba jabu's belly and at the end of shadow temple we still don't have the shadow temple boss key um you can technically do a boss key skip also i need to remember to save here in shadow temple but it's not one that i i don't think anybody has really practiced with at all okay did you just unbuffer there's uh yeah there's a trick that we can do here to interrupt this cutscene um that i want to try to do i don't have the bow so i'm not going to be able to progress too far into forest temple i just wanted to come here and see uh what all i could do i thought you got it on buffered first try and i was about to scream no yeah i like right as i entered the door i was like oh wait i need to save here to make sure that like i can actually try this again oh t3d players love to do this trick on buffer i i mean i don't know like i do it on buffer i do have a night on that 64 on book for two i don't know well that's the thing though right is like i'm i feel like i'm spoiled by 60 fps games in the sense that like i'll let jim do this first um like playing a game like mega man on nes or something a frame perfect trick takes so long to get down because like there's no buffering or anything and it's so hard and then i go to ot and i'm like oh i have four million hours to do a frame perfect trick great i'll just pause buffer it anyway like a frame late on this one i could actually be uh uh so like the um the custom menu that we implemented in this game can actually be used to do like very easy frame perfect buffering uh so i mean it's been a while since i've done this trick in general so i don't think i would be able to get it right away just uh just by doing that but it would make things easier just due to the like input delay that the menu has itself although it's a little bit difficult with the button that i have the menu set to i currently have the button set to the select menu oh yeah that's not annoying yeah because the select menu will actually um or having select map to the menu means that i'm going to pause to be prompted for a save uh right as i come out here as i try to use it but i can oh actually i think my hold on yeah okay my bottle was still on the touch screen button which means i can't really get that to work i'll try that again yeah so it just makes the buffering with the in-game menu a little bit more annoying and the the purpose of the trick that we're trying to do here is i'm trying to catch this fish back in my bottle um right as the cut scene of these four pose starts so that i can then cancel the cut scene early and get down into the elevator before it uh tries to lock itself into the ground i should also probably save with the fish actually on the x or y button by the way jim um i was just wondering if i if at some point i noticed you miss like a check you want me to like yell at you to do it yeah yeah okay yeah pretty much just yell at me oh yeah cause i missed the song of storm's grotto again didn't i yeah outside of forest temple a song of storm's garage i also think you never did kakariko archery uh oh well i can't do kakariko archery um because i do not have the bow that is i'm pretty sure we need the boat no you only need the boat to do the gerudo training grounds archery or the gerudo fortress archer oh same as the uh castletown slingshot you can do pack without bob well right yeah i know you can do the slingshot one without the slingshot i feel like i have a very distinct memory of putting uh like of having the bone necessary for logic to be able to unlock that check but maybe i'm just crazy i could be wrong i think we can try it next time we go back to k i think maybe in the base game if you don't have a quiver yet when you play it it just gives you a purple rupee so that's that might be what you're thinking of maybe [Music] this is taking me way too many attempts significantly more than it really should 100 world record holder i do have the 100 world record in this game although i mean hardly anyone like currently speed runs this game so not particularly surprising wayfaring fox i'm always going way too late i need to be going like earlier when trying to buffer the bottle input wayfaring fox says you do need it oh i always do it with before the bow and maybe otr requires you to have the bow i i always do it without having my bow first and my play throughs of this randomizer at least or i'm just having like the mandela effect right now [Laughter] i mean i've definitely heard it before from people that are like oh yeah you don't need the bow to do that i'm just like i don't know i feel like you do [Music] this time i'm going to use the bottle earlier all right hey uh yeah so we caught the fish at the same time that the cutscene started now the cutscene is going to end very quickly and i can successfully get myself onto the elevator before it goes down and so now this gets me uh two additional checks down here in the forest temple basement all right so it was useful to do this because we got the mirror shield and then also a blue rupee [Music] and we can make link look all red this is the real purpose for the mirror shield oh yeah having the color coordination between link uh important question for both of you favorite tunic same game stable sorry what what's your favorite tunic um i think it's scoring tunic a fine choice i this is not a strong opinion though [Laughter] something people don't say on the internet enough get rid of the stalfos so without the bow and also without uh some boots that i could have hook shot jumped with there's not a whole lot more of forest temple that i can currently do um but i guess coming in here to get the mirror shield was pretty good yeah so i can't go through the other door but i can go through this one even though i don't have the song of time i can just do a ledge clip on this song of time block right here the classic is just rolling here for a thousand years yeah second try i'll take it and check the sculpture that's up here that looks like a bottle bottle with bugs that's our second bottle ouch it was not quite what i intended don't you love z targeting well i like it when i'm actually aiming at what i wanna yes [Music] this is normally the map chest today it's going to give us a purple rupee which is effectively nothing because we already have a full wallet now we can lower the well water i believe this is the last check actually not way to forget theirs sculptural over here in the chest over here a red rupee that is also useless and then i can use the long shot to get to this chest over here this just has deku nuts you can also i don't know if you know about this you can hook shot jump to the door up there to enter the uh checkerboard room and get the chest in there right that is true i just uh it's just that i unfortunately still don't have any boots oh right yep never mind oh i can't do hook shot jumps but yeah and that's 29 sculptural tokens all right should probably update the tracker since the tracker still says 18. there we go all right so now we'll exit forest temple uh it's also mysteriously daytime right now even though it wasn't daytime when we went in here for some reason entering uh vanilla forest temple in this game will just set the time of day to noon for some reason um not master question though yeah not on master quest though what i know what ah 30 tokens now that we have 30 tokens i'm going to go get the 30 token reward that we can get from the house of skulltula then i can also use this opportunity to get the um hidden grotto in kakariko that has the region what you can also find out if we're wrong about archery if you want ah yeah that too also now that we do have the hook shot i also realized that there are two more chests i can get in ganon's tower now uh in the spirit trial which i could i could have also technically gotten before i had the hook shot but it would have required doing a very dumb trick that i don't think i've ever gotten even once all right so let's see who's correct about archery here i bet i'm wrong i'm very confident oh know looks like we can play at least i think gamestable is right that the reward is different if you don't have an uh a quiver yet in the base well yeah in the base game that makes sense i don't know if we changed that for the randomizer though i don't remember ever doing something like that i feel like i have a pretty distinct memory of doing that okay yeah so it looks like game stable did change it [Music] all right now we can check the house so this is the last skulltula reward we can get um i purposely excluded the um the 40 and 50 sculpture reward locations just because i knew they would take a really long time to eventually get to in the interest of time uh i wanted to make sure that this seed hopefully would not take more than five hours though at its current pace um we're looking pretty good on that front considering how loaded devongo's cavern was just need the the bow and some light arrows the bows some light arrows uh the shadow temple box hey nice also needed that uh we also do need zelda's lullaby if we want to uh get past shadow temple to like make the boat start moving basically that is a song we're still on the lookout for as well all right so now that i have bombs um have you gotten that grotto right there by cac by that tree uh that'll that has a sculpture in it oh right not going to be one that's randomized i guess we're doing a fest i was trying to do a hess but this works too uh i think we're going to tackle gerudo fortress next as well as the uh three checks that we can get in drudo valley because we can get the chest behind the hammer rocks and also the uh chest and the storm's grotto did i see you i'm not the chest but the two business sales did i see you just casually switch between ess left down and ess write down ah yes ess switching isn't particularly hard in three okay it's significantly easier than vc okay i was i was astounded that you were just doing that for fun so i'm glad to know that it's easier i'm kind of smh right now that you didn't get a pona even though you have a bonus song i do don't you oh sorry sorry oh i'm smhinging right now at you games table i'm sm i'm guessing i'm i'm masturbating too i was trying to like say something funny but i just confused myself it's okay buddy essing my h yeah see that has yeah all right all right so actually it gets over here or might be on the other side of the tent grotto's on one of these corners i think it's just one over here i could've sworn it's like right there like right in the middle oh smh had game stapled again dude what an smh target my man another compass nice nice oh man wow man is literally selling money you know me notorious for not knowing anything about otc i mean yeah you deleted all your ot knowledge to fill it with shabom knowledge which i am grateful for let me be very clear now we're proper speed link all right so uh the druido fortress setting that we're using is fast rudo fortress this means that there's only one carpenter that we need to rescue before we can get the gerudo token so we don't have to go through the entire fortress rescuing all four carpenters oh man this guard is good normally this fight doesn't take this long but these are very strange attack patterns that she's giving me there we go and this key is also just vanilla currently so not too surprising that we got the fortress key there i feel like if you have the mirror shield they should just like be like oh wow you uh must be important here's the key you've already conquered the spirit temple i like that fight in ot 3d because it's it feels more skill based than the fight in ot which is like all right get behind the torch and just do your thing or get isg and do your thing whereas jim was like actually sword fighting with someone all right so jim you have so many keys i have four keys yeah wow that's a lot of keys however i am prepared to just not use any of them because we have the power of hook shot clipping that we can use to get through just about anything here so we're going to hookshot clip to get all these chests i guess we'll go this way next we can't get everything in our training grounds right now um because we also don't have the bow we need to get a first fire temple small key though so that's pretty good also i don't know why i hooked shot clipped for this one because i could have just walked around for i bet it was actually marginally faster probably so we did just get the ocarina of time but in randomizer the ocarina of time uh basically does not do anything so uh not a particularly useful file is is the static small key in the room to your left randomized uh yes that is randomized there's actually some more to that question you got the mini wet all right it's pretty good until more recent releases of this randomizer that key was actually not randomized because it could cause a crash what was the solution so basically it has something to do with if there's like a um like a model loaded that's not normally in that room and then you try to like use a door to exit the room the game will end up crashing depending on what model was loaded so the strategy that is now used that whenever link opens the door uh the randomizer hurries up and unloads all of the models that it made as fast as possible before the game has a chance to crash and it seems to work that's excellent let's go back and check small key the other freestanding item whatever it might be i didn't see what it was at first and got very confused it like blended in with the floor this is good now i know where all the rooms are in jabu so we'll be good to go when we finally go back shout outs there this room for being the only known use of srm in oot3d yeah you want to get early explosives as child link there are two chests that you can make spawn in this first room but again they require the bow which we don't have yet so regarding the bow uh because the bow is a progressive item or rather the quivers that you can get are progressive items there's actually three different um bows that we can essentially get in the pool um as our first bow but we haven't found any of them yet and for all we know they could all be behind the checks that normally require the bow so i'm getting absolutely right i jumped on the rock please don't close right here i think turns around so slowly in the sand yeah obviously this what makes this fight hard is link being in the sand you actually can um complete this room without uh using the hook shot at all it's just uh a little bit difficult but thankfully i do have the long shot so it's just but i still ran into the fire anyway you can't fool me jim you never played this [Music] there's four wolfos we have to defeat in this room [Music] that will spawn it's just for us i'm unfortunately not gonna be able to get past that silver block because i don't have silver gauntlets and i also don't have uh hover boots either if i had hover boots i'd be able to do a trick called a hover boost to get past it but and it would be good to do that because there are four chests behind there i bet you could technically do like a like a hover where you angle change with a bomb too and then like raw sword to cancel isg to grab the ledge or something but yeah probably but i've never tried something like that before yeah i don't even know if it would actually work well the mm chew hovering would actually make it not that bad yeah that's true it would be easy to just like gate hyper but hovering and i do have oh i actually only have 11 shoes right now i don't think it's worth doing this on the fly yeah i wouldn't be surprised if if even if it was possible if there was like only like a precise place that you could actually grab the ledge so for this chest uh we can actually get it by just rolling into it with damage invincibility uh for another fire temple key and this just leads back to this room so yeah there's not much we can do here anymore so we were able to get most of the things here uh thanks to our ability to hook shut clip through pretty much anything so that was very good yeah i can go to spear temple right now actually and begin checking stuff in there i do have the long shot so i can cross the haunted wastelands just have to talk to the guard up here to open the gate for me now if i had hover boots or iron boots i'd be able to hook shot jump over it but none of those yet maybe we'll find them in spirit temple so let's see how many spirit keys do we have we have we only have one spirit temple small thing i'll still be able to get into the main room uh spirit temple with that so there's still quite a bit there for the river of sand we can just use the long shot we'll just have to navigate uh the haunted wasteland at night uh there is a chest in the haunted wasteland but because i can't make fire like i don't have dense fire or um fire arrows or bow currently so i can't light those torches to make the chest appear unfortunately well you could do quick put away i was just about to say that yeah i don't think i've ever used quick put away to actually like create a fire on a fire source before though so there's a setup in that room in normal od i don't know about ot3d though it's kind of weird being in this post quick put away world because it like it's a very useful trick but it still just kind of feels like a joke i don't know like yeah yeah you know hammer you know maybe we need it but all right we've reached the other colossus see can we get any view on what is up on the arch it is a heart piece all right so we do not need that games table what's up can you make you know how you can get big grays and big style children can you have big sha bombs you could just uh yeah in their in their memory you just how big they are all right i can sleep soundly tonight that would be a totally feasible modification you get right on that okay why don't i just put a ship on the chest now this is i forgot that i couldn't get past the silver block in the first room without gauntlets or hover boots the same reason i couldn't get past it in training grounds i'm trying to think about what else we can do i guess um i technically could go into shadow temple um right now and just there's a way that i can do what's called a bonk hook shot jump to get into shadow temple or i guess i could just hover up into shadow temple but um normally i would need dens fire to open up the pathway to shadow temple but uh if i can get out of bounds up onto like uh the collision on the outside of this area then i would be able to just side hop into shadow temple pretty much so i'm gonna try to do that a little bit since i've done this vlog hook shot clip or not checklist bonk hook shot jump or how to do this here like not half the time using the hook shot at all to do this there we go okay all right if you have a specific angle when doing it so that's what i was able to do but i do have to be careful here because i do not want to get hit off or go too far out of bounds to where there's no collision wow you can just walk on this seam no problem in 3d uh oh it's yeah it's not even a seam it's just a floor basically now the area down here is unloaded [Music] it's into the shadow temple all right so now we can go and get to the checks back here so we first got the map chest which is over here uh obviously i don't have the lens of truth but i know where everything is so that's not a huge deal oh my goodness i tried to do a jump slash there but i didn't have my sword out in time then we'll go on to check the hoverboards chest also uh i'm not going to be able to complete shadow temple right now again uh because i do not have zelda's lullaby so i'm not gonna be able to make the boat move at the end i didn't get the fire temple compass though you're doing great on compasses i am like let's actually i don't know if there's a way we can check how many compasses we have i don't think there is i have to go into each dungeon to check but yeah i didn't want to do that just wanted to trigger dead hands [Music] so by backflipping into these hands um the hands will immediately let go of link and then i can just uh immediately go over to where dead hand is without having to try to wiggle my way out of the hands grip thankfully dead hand spawned in like very nice locations for me more bomb shoes all right they are just telling you to hover past the boat i don't think that's possible i don't think so according to what i've heard unfortunately i mean i could always do boat skip via death hole void warp but uh i don't want to set that up all right so the truth spinner here is actually going to be pretty annoying because i don't have hover boots it'll be first try it's fine hopefully yeah i mean it's always pull so you're good well not if you let go all i did was l target all right i guess we're checking the back one first it was pull 100 i hate how it doesn't count if you just like interrupt the animation yeah it's pretty silly so yeah currently to beat gannon i still need um every time i still need the bow yeah i still need the bow and uh some light arrows as well as zelda's lullaby to beach shadow temple casual distance mega oh wait no that was just a normal mega flip ignore me yeah it was just that bomb to explode it screamed on mid jump slash the rarely seen give no ability to freeze time uh the statue puzzle in shadow temple is only ever one of the back three that's nice uh and i think it's it's most likely to be the first one if i'm not mistaken but i could be wrong about that oh yeah i think there is like some variance in the rng for which one gets chosen i think it's like 36 it's like a small percent change between the three of them but the first one is the most likely all right so fun fact um in ot 3d there's just a random pot with a fairy in it right here for some reason is not in the original game so right actually i was like i have the long shot i can just long shot clip after here yeah there's a trick you can do with a bomb there to get through that corner here i can use the long shot to check the sculpture [Music] money that i can't use we'll collect it anyway all right so i'm gonna save here because i only have two shadow temple small keys um i'm going to open up this door from the back side using a small key and then i'm gonna check some of the items uh in this area also it's a nice roll and if none of the items in this area are useful i'm just going to quit the game so that i can do what's called save scumming to preserve my key oh my goodness the gibdo is too powerful oh okay a water temple key that's probably something that we don't necessarily need how many water temperatures do you have that's a good question though our container that's useless we currently have okay so with that one we have three water temple keys i do not think i can jump this gap so i'm pretty sure you can fold clear weather temple with only two keys if you count saves coming right yeah that sounds correct uh okay that's way too close to the edge i want to wait there's one more chest in here so if this isn't useful i'll just be quitting out now all right it's not a useful check so this means that um i can at least make a little bit more progress here in shadow temple uh with attempting to get some more checks since i don't have to use a small key on that locked door or on the locked door that normally leads to that area so it actually saves me from having to collect some more small keys oh well i would hope that i would be able to line things up better so let's try that again yeah these megaflips that i'm doing are basically in the place of uh where hover boots would normally be required uh because i don't have the hoverboards yet i did however find the iron boots which will make uh some things a lot easier i love long shot of myself oh yeah you just skipped this whole room by doing the long shot clip no navi trigger there boggled my mind all right well i clearly just wanted to show off this epic long shot clip again in case you guys missed it the first time let's actually jump this gap there we go normally when i'd go through here you know you'd expect to have hover boots obviously not have hover boots there's three checks we can get in here there's a visible chest and invisible chest and also a sculpture we got a prelude of light okay thankfully the gates only have collision from one side so we can just roll back out so let's see now we pretty much can just get the checks in the uh [Music] yeah it is kind of throwing me off a little bit not having uh the hoverboats here but it must be done why not just in this cell and then two chests up top thank you nuts uh we can use a backflip to just sort of clip up into um the what the what the randomizer refers to as the stone umbrellas right there that gets us up here pretty easily it skips us having to push like uh a block through the whole room that's pretty much all we can do here i mean i guess i guess i could have tried safe scumming through um the next area but i gotten something useful then i could have potentially not been able to find another shadow temple key which would have been bad all right now that we got the iron boots though um we can definitely enter the water temple so that's something that we can try and go do [Laughter] i keep thinking of overworld sculptures and being like oh you can do that [Laughter] actually speaking of overworld things i did forget to give the claim check to big goron could could you have beau behind fire arrows yep that is a possibility because no logic that's horrible that would be horrible yeah at least there are three of them in the overworld somewhere kind of amazing for all the things you've gotten that you haven't gotten a single bow since there's three of them right and i found all the slingshots so far too all right so i also don't have zelda's lullaby but i do have the ability to get this map chest right here yeah one one trick that does not work in ot 3d that a lot of people might be familiar with from oot 64 is uh opening underwater chests with iron boots it does not work yeah so uh like any chest that's currently underwater because of like the water temple's water level i'm not going to be able to get it all right speaking of fire arrows hey i talked about that a second ago they were summoned yeah we did we do have fire arrows however we can't use any because you know we don't have a quiver uh so we still need to find the bow if we want to use the fire arrows [Music] all right i did just save so i guess we could save scum for the uh for the boss key chest now we're here because there's a uh there's the boss key chest and then there's a sculpture that here getting to the sculpture requires one small key and getting to the bosque chest requires two small keys but actually i guess to do this i need to do a corner boost jump which i don't think i've ever actually done before but i guess we can try it uh if i could get over here you could also hover it if you wanted to and actually i don't know about that actually oh yeah i could operate if i wanted to you got to be wearing i'm going to try and do something weird i'm going to try luring the tektite over here and using him to damage boost me amazing that was very good big shout outs to our boy the tech type don't let that trick go to waste we got to see something good here well i mean if it does go to waste then we get our keys back so hmm um i think you're obligated to do the other checks first and then maybe all right so we're gonna go check the other uh chests that are behind uh the two small keys and if though if all of those checks are useless then we'll come back and we'll get requiem although there's one back here you can't get without bow or can you hover up from the dragon room i'm actually not sure um oh that's a good question i could probably hover up from the dragon room i should be able to unless there's some weird property about using isg above water but i don't think there is oh yeah that's right thank you and you have the long shot so you can get it from this side of the room yeah it was all calculated games table you got to have faith that's why i didn't change anything sooner oh maybe you can't okay you can get it from this platform i'm not wrong worth oh 100 definitely that gives darkling more health i knew the whole time this is actually a cool strat we can do here where we can hook shut up to this last platform by using the iron boots down there i was so confused when you went into the water and now i'm just impressed so yeah otherwise i would have had to gone around the room like the normal way uh where like you hook shot over and over and over again shot dragons okay i already have taken us equips uh dark link is not very difficult with bacon nuts though interestingly you have to throw the decoo nut like away from him uh he just shields it if you throw it towards him also yeah dark link's health is based upon what link's maximum health is when you fight him okay well you can trade a shadow temple for a while temple key yeah that's for two water temple keys uh okay wait what was the setup for this something like this uh you press a to open on the second frame of explosion i think yeah that sounds right all right so here we're going to attempt to do something a way to unload the song of time block at the back here because i don't have song of time looks correct yep there we go all right so the door is still open the song of time block is gone but i can use a hook shot clip get back through the door and have the door closed but now the song of time walk is gone all right so we at the very least have this sculpture that we can check which i'm going to swim past it briefly just keep on this platform and the long shot just barely reaches it's purple rupee actually wait can i stand here it's not because if i could stand here then i could just hook shot clip through actually wait a minute oh this is huge brain i don't think this is going to work because i have to aim upwards yeah it's like the angle for this would not be good enough because i can only aim like down here i wanted to get up there [Music] unfortunately it does not look like i'll be able to get up there all right well i guess we'll i will ditch the shadow temple key for now all right but now we can actually do uh some pretty fun stuff um we don't have zelda's lullaby so we can't make the water uh go down like you mentioned earlier however we can get out of bounds and then get around to places that we might want to go to although actually i guess before we do that i should check the compass chest which just requires going this way coming for me i'm pretty sure you can just like roll into this and get it but i've like never been able to do this uh it's easier if you you can like target the wall and then turn to the left so you have a perpendicular angle it could be different in ot3 though and i'm completely talking out of my ass but who knows go over this way get back up to the top and then we can start having some fun before i get rid of these all right so using these um actually not this one using these hook shot targets uh i can do what's called a hook shot jump to get very high up into the air it's a little bit tricky because of how high these are there we go now we're way high up and we can get pretty far out of bounds here i'm gonna try and go get the one sculpture that i can get down here by loading this hallway to load this part of the temple then recoil off of a wall somewhere i don't tend to recoil off of and so normally you'd need to like blow up um a floor on the lower level to get here but by going out of bounds we can just load the uh we can load this room by going over the hallway and then swim over it the dongos cavern dungeon match wow save warp to get out of here let's see so beating the water temple is not particularly important because beating the water temple is just going to give us the kokiri emerald which is likely not required to beat this seed we're just going to be checking as much as we can here it would well you don't have the bow but it would unlock the fire error check right uh yes that's correct it would unlock the firing rope check there we go now we're gonna get down here i can go down far enough and this is the weight uh the dragon statue room all right so i guess how many bomb shoes do we have 21 yeah we should be able to just make it up there yeah i think so i've never done this hover or a hover like this before or at least like in this specific location but we'll try we do want what's in that or we might want what's in that chest i don't know if it'll actually be useful oh nice wow oh this is not gonna go for it go for it actually i don't think i have isg anymore because the cameras yeah the cutscene probably took it away from you you can you can't have it up there because you're always going to trigger the cutscene i think yeah oh because of isg i thought something is hitting everything with spherical collision i thought somehow that the bomb you threw went down there and i was like what what are the odds and then i remembered bombs go away in the water anyway all right well at least we can still get this check just a sculptural token all right i guess we should go get requiem um because then i can at least get to spirit temple as child and potentially get some of those checks there we'll go back to the boss q chest now [Music] i'm pretty sure that's everything i can do here but don't link for right now you can kill morpha i don't think i have the boss key yeah i don't i don't have the water temple okay sorry i wouldn't be able to get in there i would be able to get in there if i had access to bongo bongo's room but i don't have access to zelda's lullaby so something we're to be able to do either um well okay now i get to do this damage boost again we lure our tech tight friend over here velma is that what we're calling the tech type i guess we already have peptides named shaggy and scooby and red oh yeah that's true for a while there was a trick in this game that we did called the zoinks hover uh because it involved doing a hover off of two tech types who we decided to name shaggy and scooby oh yeah that was a thing it wasn't a very fun hover though no one really liked it and thankfully it's not necessary anymore all right now that we got requiem i'm going to play prelude i'm also going to hydrate because it's been a while since i hydrated let's go hydration no way me three i think it's about time actually i'm kind of curious to see um what's in gannon's castle spirit trial because that was the one place that i couldn't get some of the checks at the last time i did gannon's castle and there's also one check-in shadow trial that i wasn't able to get since i did not have the hook shot last time also for those of you who may have just come in uh i knew that requiem was at the water temple bosque chest because of the fact that i saved scum for it earlier but wasn't sure if it was what was really important to get in water temple once we determined that it was probably the most valuable thing i could get i went back and got it and now we can go back in this castle our easy hovering that like still it makes me happy but also makes me mad makes you mad because you know that in the original game you will never have it correct i gotta pull out the hook shot every time and use even more explosives all right so spiritual starts off with a bunch of silver loopies temporarily and then there's two chips in the next room uh this is one of the only places in the original game that i believe you are completely intended to use bomb shoes aside from like bombshe bowling i guess um that's what the game gives you here but here it just gave us money to buy bomb shoes so that's pretty cool i can just hope something there piece of heart oh boy and now i'm going to go back to shadow trial if i don't get anything good in shadow trial um i'm just going to quit the game because i saved after praying after praying saved after playing prelude praying play lude look english is hard sometimes i don't know what to do i don't know why that's funny but it is so i guess i didn't get this chest earlier either who checks here yeah yo the ice caverns my god thank god i was waiting so long for that one we are now not going to get lost in ice cavern everybody can rejoice actually can i get over here oh yeah i can i can hover yeah of course ah actually wait i still need to hover i think i still need to offer i don't want to say you can mega side hop that but i feel like you can make a side of that but you should hover oh yeah you probably could oh well that's not what we wanted to have happen you honestly almost made it yeah i did almost make it wait you can even side hop hover i know you can as child maybe the i probably just messed up the timing because i've never actually done the side hop hovering before oh something's getting hit every frame it was the bubble oh yeah huh so how many hovers is this like two and then a backflip probably you can always check with the long shot okay excellent all right well now i can just quit because we didn't get anything useful which unfortunately means i did have to throw away the ice cavern map jim what are you doing i'm saving us a little bit of time i don't know you haven't been there yet you're gonna that's true i have not been to ice tavern yet actually i could get into ice cavern now though [Music] even though i don't have zelda's lullaby oh i think you did the lab dive reward by the way oh that's correct i didn't do that well let's go to spirit temple as child link or actually i guess before we do that i could i could actually do bombshe bowling now this child unless it's night time in which case i don't know if i want to wait till daytime i could also buy uh the keaton mask for the eventual mask trading sequence okay it's still technically night time but i can just wait for like a few seconds in hyrule castle to make it daytime oh no it is daytime i guess i'm just confused never mind then no it i also totally thought it was nighttime all right what can we win from bombshew bowling oh we have a key all right it's a bit of an interesting strategy here with bamshu bowling i'm actually going to let this bomb shoot damage me and then this gives us the perfect angle to just ride the bomb shoe or to place the bomb shoe down and have it right along the wall for both of these uh last two parts makes it very easy you don't have to worry about the cuckoo rng in the middle and we get okay well there's the shadow temple key and then a blue rupee no thank you oh so there are several different rewards still in rando yeah the first two rewards are randomized but after that they're not randomized anymore and i also didn't buy the mask or not buy the mask but rent the mask doesn't actually cost any rupees to take the mask initially [Music] it's very hard at least for me to like properly keep track of everything that i want to do just because there's so many different things you can do in this game at least in the randomizer okay now we can place a requiem you also got so many items back to back very quickly it's like the whole game kind of opened up yeah that too like once the dog goes caverns none was like oh okay well what do we do now so much we can do and yet we still don't have the bow so we can go further into spirit temple now because um adult was not able to do uh this side of spirit temple because i don't can't crawl through the crawl space but we can so i'm gonna put on my uh hylene shield here so that i don't end up burning my deku shield accidentally nice oh my goodness now all the enemies are gone uh we can actually use a deku stick to uh well the one deku stick i have to take fire from this room into this one and light these two torches which is pretty cool [Music] this schedule has a piece of heart not a piece of heart but a recovery heart and using a bit of a precise shot here we can hit the switch behind there without having to use like bomb shoes or anything that was close another compass okay good now i know where everything is in shadow temple oh well toned i got boned i'm gonna wait for the spike trap we can properly kill the anubis with fire and then get this check ah another fire temple small key i believe that means we can actually get through a pretty substantial portion of fire temple now because that gives us yeah three fire temple keys doesn't get us through the whole thing but it gets us through a pretty good part all right now i guess um i guess i'll save scum this in case there's nothing useful uh behind the locked door that's over here since again i only have one spirit temple key get this i'll get this bomb drop and then save so i actually have the bomb still should we get rid of the sculptures we'll check what that is once we get up there unless the camera lets us see it but the camera doesn't quite let us see what it is and it is ooh bellero a red ocarina so that's the bolero with fire so that will be useful for getting back to fire temple potentially and hitting that switch makes two chests appear over here and this one [Music] and i can use a bomb shoe to light the sun here yeah there we go show me the light i don't have dense fire well i'd actually have a daku stick so i could still get the map chest i can use the daku stick on the torch up here i guess i can also check to see what this is that is a huge rupee we definitely do not need that [Music] and i'll finish by going up the rest of the child side uh there's two more checks that i can get here um aside from this one right here there's two more checks that i can get um without another small key if there's nothing up here i wonder if it's worth it to ditch the bolero yeah it probably would be worth it to just ditch bolero i think um that jump was definitely intended be cool jim when you uh when you conclude your spirit temple checks here you mind if we take our next break uh yeah that can work out perfectly fine so this lights the torch and then use that torch or one deku stick and then this is what i'll actually make the chest here thank god but then to actually clear the room and move on to the next room ooh another fire temple key that's potentially really good yeah it's probably worth it to keep going uh with what we've got here not to the safe scum i mean technically with enough bomb shoes we can do spirit hover as adult you can do it now you could uh yeah i could do it you can go from iron gauntlets there's pardon me silver gauntlets jesus silver gauntlets over to mirror shields if you want oh well i mean i can't get there because there's still a locked door in my way oh yeah but like from the outside i could hover all the way up from the high yeah another small key now forest temple key yeah but i think we'll keep these things um let's see next i wanted to go beat jabba jabu that's what i wanted to do next all right so we can use the serenade and then we can use our scale that we got all the way back at the beginning uh to go into zora's domain after this next break sure give the countdown whenever you're ready uh three two one pause all right gamers we're gonna take a quick break so you can stretch your legs get some water we'll be right back with more challenger approaching more gymnast 86 playing arcane of time 3d randomizer right after this we could find one of the boss keys or small keys in like you know a dungeon heart container or something oh jim i think let's hold off for just one second it seems like maybe there is a tech issue okay so sorry i did not see that in time okay did they hear any of the intro okay well welcome back to the games on quick hot fix um we played for only about 20 seconds um apologies we had a little tech mishap but uh welcome back to challenger approaching i'll give the announcement i gave again this saturday which is tomorrow uh technically today it feels weird i did this repeal already uh we have tina's rpg show i guess with final fantasy vii starting at 1 p.m eastern so be sure not to miss that that's on this channel on saturday and uh we're back with more gymnast more operating time 3d randomizer jim take it away all right thank you very much adef uh is the timer still going uh no all right so i will count us back in in three two one go all right so now that we're back uh we just finished as much as we could do as child link in spirit temple uh we managed to find the bolero fire and i believe two fire temples small keys uh which is very good means that we can do a lot more in fire temple than we could earlier but before that uh we're going to go back to jabba jabu's belly now that we actually have the boomerang and can complete it because at the end of jabba jabba's belly we will get the fire medallion as our dungeon reward so once again i have to do a triple slash clip here to get out of bounds and get past king zora because we have not found rudolph's letter in this playthrough at all but it's not really that necessary both adult and child link can pretty easily get past kings or so not a big deal however i will have to not or actually no i can use my fish here this is a cut scene let's go please tell me yes you didn't take this cutscene out that's blessed i don't think we'll ever take this cutscene out because at least in our playthroughs we always skip this cutscene he's just so hungry we just jump slash in [Music] all right so we were able to check most of jabu jabu's belly earlier um there were a few chests that we were not able to get because again we didn't have the boomerang last time so that's what we were going to collect this time so the two of the chests that weren't able to get were the map and compass chests and the depths of jabba jabu so we'll have to go all the way back here uh we're gonna pick up princess rudo again uh so we can put her down on a blue switch we could technically skip picking her up but that's not going to save us very much time for a trick that's a little bit difficult so just bring her with us oh my god jim the shabons are back the bombs are back i'm activated do you have any [Laughter] has achieved his final form [Laughter] that was very funny to me [Music] game still why don't you hit us with another shabam fact or two please so a uh they do this thing with as they're bouncing around they pick a random number i want to say it's between one and n and then uh based off if that number is high enough the next time they hit a wall they'll rebound from the wall slightly faster oh thank you jim this is this is the perfect room for fun shabam facts give us another one um dance dance games table dance there's this value in their memory that when they start to explode they set that value to eight and then never do anything it's completely unclear what that value is supposed to be for it doesn't do anything it's just their favorite number can you blame them i guess it's like their dying message except number eight please tell my family eight oh wow the bombs were so blessed lots of shabbos were very blessed we finally got our silver gauntlets all right excellent thank you very much for your shabom knowledge games table you are truly the hero that we needed in this playthrough it's making my night honestly all right so now you can continue oh no i think i'm i think i might be out of like uh facts off top of my head though so it's good they didn't overstay and so do another mega flip oh i don't have rudo's letter anymore i guess i have ferrari's wins with later can you not do it with bugs in this game [Music] i don't think so you could just do the roll version though i could i'm not i don't think i've actually ever done the version of this before though uh there's a really easy setup i think you're in the right position right now you have to do the thing where you press a to roll on the same frame you start holding up right [Music] i can't use claim check as child so [Music] so the way that i've seen people do the position set up for this and i don't know why it matters i see them back walk into the switch and then just release l so that you'll just like jump on it automatically that's the position setup i usually see okay i'm a lot farther back now um the vanilla oats you set up is you target the door uh and then turn around right and bonk it and then jump slash in that's the setup i used yeah i've never been able to get this version of the trick before at least without like intense pause buffering on the original game i mean i guess i could try with bugs and see what happens but i have a feeling this probably doesn't work i i was thinking explicitly for ocarina items so right actually i guess i'd have to catch the bugs first i mean i guess i could try doing uh okay i guess this works all right bye bugs nice thank you adef yeah no problem i could have sworn that didn't work with bottle but i guess it does good to know consider us even for the shabam facts yeah there we go yeah that saves us from having to do the rest of the dungeon up until that point very good trick all right now it's time to fight marinade the baroness go by pretty quickly uh since we have deco nuts um you can use dicon that's to get rid of uh like all of the beery circles that will try to appear around marinade like this and then like that all the beers are gone and then i purposely rolled into marinade there so that uh marinade would get up quicker after going back down into the ground recycle here and all right this will be getting us the fire medallion and because we have the water fire and force medallions now we can actually go get the uh chic in kakariko check which is normally where you'd get the nocturnal shadow from what is this oh we got beans nice always gotta love some magic beans and all right let's see is there anything else i wanted to do is child i don't have any of the spiritual stones so i can't get like the ocarina of time or anything did you ever get a well key oh yeah i believe i did get a well key oh no i didn't still zero for bottom of the well i swear you did maybe you save scummed it oh i might have saved it that's true uh in any case i think i wanted to go back to kakariko anyway both to trade the uh to trade the keaton mask and i think there was something else i was thinking of oh no i wanted to go back to the forest so i could play sorry a song for skull kid that's what it was [Laughter] actually i guess we could also go into um gerunia's room from death mountain crater and play sorry a song for him as well that's a good check yeah very good check speaking of cutscenes that haven't been removed sadness mask so there's actually a really weird thing you can do with the guard here if you have the keaton mask um if you like are wearing the keaton mask and are about to sell it to the guard but then you say no uh to giving it to him he like throws a temper tantrum and just closes the gate because you didn't sell it to him ah so that's something that can happen and then once you finally sell it to him you open up the gate again or he'll open up the gate so that's a thing you can do today i learned [Music] i'm gonna go up to uh death mountain crater so that i can do a mega flip down oh and i forgot there's actually that scrub in death mountain crater that we can check also there's a cow in that grotto but thankfully that's not something we have to get but no yeah the guard closing the gate there is not new that's something that can happen in the original game also it's just that like like why would you ever say no to selling the mask kind of thing eating mask is pretty cool but you can always just get another one yes all right i don't need the skulltula that's here i guess i never came up here at all because this rock is still here so there's a chest we can get here and there's the scrub that we can get down at the bottom of the ladder oh nice wallet finally found a wallet for a bomb refill and so normally child link uh can't get up to the like where the backside of darunia's room would be but i can because i know how to do a cool trick called megaflip did you ever check the heart piece on top of the volcano i believe i looked at it okay that's just a bomb drop by the looks of it i know that the one in the wall uh alcove is just uh sculptura like a gold sculptura token [Music] by the way no i never got the hammer grotto i was about to mention that also uh good thing i'll be doing fire temple when i go adult again [Music] the routing uh between like this game and the original a majority of the changes were just graphical um there were some very slight gameplay changes between the two but nothing like huge like i think the biggest thing is uh puzzles that require you to slash your sword through a wall aren't there anymore and instead like the switches are always moved to a place that's not behind the wall like in spirit and water temple but it's pretty faithful to the original gameplay-wise money [Music] by the way gamers be sure to follow the runner at twitch.tv gymnast86 if you enjoyed the content of the evening and of course follow gamestable twitter.comgamestabled for more uh bubble-based enemy facts on there all right so now i'm going to try and get uh the spinning pot item here normally it's a hard piece but it's randomized because this is randomizer and that was not the correct time for throwing that up i believe the correct time is when the frowny face starts to turn away from link uh it is whenever the meh face is facing you the like middle one okay it would be nice if to actually throw it into the pot in the center wait for the spinning animation each time there we go yo another compass let's go nice and it's the dongos cavern compass and we will never get lost in dodongo's cavern ever again all right so i wanted to go to actually i could do ocarina right now and a slingshot check although i don't know if you already did that yeah i think he already did it thankfully game stable has shortened how many uh iterations we have to go through here i was just about to ask that [Music] just after the first time we get our reward which is a recovery heart [Music] oh you can do the uh the skull kid too yeah because i'm sorry a song [Music] she got in the skull mask before you came here yeah i should have oh i did come here from kakariko the water temple boss key alright so i can beat water temple now technically [Music] and because i have a song of storms i'm actually going to go to zore's river again here were you going to say something ada no no okay for some reason i thought i'd accidentally cut you off nope [Music] so there's actually two checks you can get with the um frog songs over here but one of them requires having every single child song besides the uh song of storms which we don't have yet so that's not a check that we can really [Music] get we can't get this one for a bomb drop all right also i don't believe we ever bought the item from bean daddy so go buy that now also can i side hub jump slash around here gamer gamer [Music] i just came over here to get more bomb shoe drops as i'm sure you know right of course yeah so there's another song of storm's grotto here that i forgot about until game stable thankfully reminded me more bomb drops oh there's our bottom of the well key all right maybe we should go to bottom of the well first or actually no it did just turn daytime so i think i'm going to go to london ranch first and get the song and get the song check from melon may or may not be a song [Music] we can speed up the process of getting there using our hessing capabilities eagling can go very fast also we can do fun things with the camera here [Music] i stopped accidentally i'm not expecting to hit that wall blick so i have to talk to her first a big bomb bag oh boy thank you for the bomb refill you're gonna have all the biggest upgrades and still no po am i good enough to cross over the i bridge it's over here oh no i missed it darn it i didn't really need to dive okay come on okay it's still pretty much daytime uh so instead of using a navy dive to get to the bottom of the well i can actually do um a bit of an out of bounds flight with a cuckoo to get down there pick up this cuckoo uh the reason we can't nabby dive during the daytime is because the developers actually attempted to patch being able to get to bottom of the well early so they put a giant rock in front of the entrance to it uh but they only put it there during the daytime so during the night time you can still actually navi dive down oh grezzo what what are you doing to the bottom of the well i mean the rock's got a family you gotta go home gotta go home [Music] you're not gonna you're not gonna go home for dinner spend time with your family all right now i gotta wait for the cuckoo to come back here oh hey so now we can just do this lovely out of bounds flight to get past the giant rock this is a wonderful trick that i've never seen [Laughter] yeah it's a really really cool showcase in my opinion all right now i can actually save scum uh the key that i meant to save scum earlier games tabled any guesses for what we're gonna get here um three sculptures three bows oh that's a that's a prediction oh okay well that's one of them correct yeah i'm tired whatever game stable it said i'm doubling down on that three boats good choice now nice going to save so we got our isg and we're going to check what's in this room the answer is a skeletal token games have already failed me okay i guess there's two bows oh okay sorry never mind we're still on track minor miscalculation uh there's a question chat about sculptures giving items that is only in dungeons yeah so currently only the dungeons sculptures are randomized mostly because the overworld ones um if we randomize those also we're gonna be waiting for night time a lot uh which can get kind of annoying and just boring in my opinion what is this one gonna be oh yeah all the keys also that is a blue rupee [Music] well there's a lot more checks still that's true there is still one chest that we can't get here at all which is the uh the one that you get for beating dead hand we can't get that one until we get zelda's lullaby because even if you act or glitch your way into that room um the chest just won't spawn if you beat dead hands what about the one at the bottom of the water you can't get that one either right oh right yeah we can't get the ones at the bottom actually i can just see what this sculpture is out here bomb shoes i guess that was over three on those darn game stable couldn't predict where all three bows were gonna be yeah what are the chances of that yeah i mean one over 484 to the third power i guess it'd be one over 484 times one over 483 that's one over 482 oh yeah that's correct not to get technical on you or anything gymnast last time i did math was three years ago you'd also be able to get the map chest too in the basement i think yeah that's correct i think i could just fall down into the basement from here and get that and i can do actor glitch fur now that one's just where's the hole why can i not find the hole when you need it you can't find it yeah during my life about bottom of the well yeah the bottom of the well has not been very kind of d 3d life ah okay more fire temple keys good you should be able to full clear that now right yeah we should be able to full clear fire temple now we're still pretty much just on the hunt for a bow light arrows and zelda's lullaby so i did lose my shield i guess which wasn't very good i thought i used the deco nuts early enough all right so the camera after coming out of a crawl space is a little bit wonky um so if we try to open the door to the next room while the camera is still focused on the crawl space it'll actually cancel the animation uh of link opening up the door here nice first try and so now all the actors in this room aren't loaded uh including the water in this room so when we go over here we can kind of just jump down into the water and enter the crawl space on this side this allows us to get back here to this room uh we're not gonna be dead hand now though because beating dead hands not gonna give us anything if we get into this room like this because getting to this room looks really weird it just kind of phases through it like that for some reason but we can get the invisible chest back here which has the map wouldn't have asked for anything better right there i don't think we actually got anything useful there i guess we got some palm shoes is there anything else is child link what to do one over 484 factorial it would only be if you were trying to calculate the probability of one specific one specific seed of every single item every if you're just seeding yeah if you're just talking about those three checks specifically you only have to do the first three numbers we're gonna go ahead you actually get to multiply it by six because they're entered for three bows are interchangeable oh yeah that's true because it's it's combinations not permutations right man how often are you using x pick y instead of x choose x you know just math things very epic i took combinatorics once i oh yeah i definitely got a lot of rest during that class [Laughter] i uh yeah i didn't do great in my stats class but professor brought his dog to class once so that was nice that's dub yeah oh huge dub and so we're gonna break this rock i should have broken a lot earlier these three scrubs [Music] you guys might also notice that link actually has uh black gauntlets on his arms and not silver gauntlets because the custom gauntlet color that i chose for silver goblets is black in this playthrough if we do find gold gauntlets they will end up uh appearing blue on link i'm a blue gauntlets man myself i like green too though it's pretty good my rba brain is so messed up like trying to compute how blue collets could be gold and black dollars could be silver first we're gonna jump up here to where this sculpture token is got quite a few things we can check here in fire temple thankfully we do have the fire temple map and compass so we should be good making sure that we don't forget i would say my favorite ocarina song is probably the requiem of spirit [Music] that's a close second for me behind nocturne i also still don't have hover boots which i'm not really necessary for fire temple but would be very nice just to have in general i know gamestable's favorite ocarina song oh yeah scarecrow yeah big fan of x y x y x y x y how can you not be you're telling me you don't use lrlrlr no it takes so much longer to hit those buttons no it doesn't they're so far away from each other you can use separate hands for them meanwhile i am so much harder in my brain i'm like right c down a c down a's you don't a oh yeah in the original game that would be pretty bad but i guess that would be a z a z on a gamecube controller i use x64 actually do xr a lot i could see xr being good only the important topics here on challenger approaching yes next we're going to get into a two-hour long debate over which item goes on which button game statement please start us out with your hook shot preference yeah please hook shot goes on x boots go on y if you're doing a hook shot jump i agree however if you're not doing a hook shot jump i'm going to reverse it on you i have no opinion in this game that's respectable but the reason i don't do that well like common knowledge that i don't really do roll equipping oh i see i mean i guess if you don't do roll equipping it doesn't matter too much anyway speaking of rolls i'm going to roll into an attempted ledge clip that i unfortunately just failed again what i'm trying to do here is get blasted by a bomb uh after i do the ledge clip to get down to the chest under there there we go good that trick to me is like quintessential speed running like get out of bounds and then you need some kind of damage boost to make it work oh double magic mark that off as well for what it's worth choose on c down hook shot c left bomb see right but you know i think that's like an opinion yeah i agree too there seemed to be a lot of people who are against putting shoes on z though yeah like i get that um but again as someone that uses n64 controller that's not really like i'm i'm strictly seeing c down in my brain rather than z right not having hover boots here feels very awkward oh wow there are like a million chests in this dungeon i'm now realizing [Laughter] excuse me sir i'm gonna go in and out of the room over here and then cast ferrari's wind then i can return to it um oh you have long shots you can just go up to the scarecrow platform yeah that's right i have long shots so i don't need to i mean i don't have i didn't ever play the song for the scarecrow anyway so i would have had to hover if i don't have long shot i've got a setup for it you'd be fine first we have to get the uh other chests that are down here well it's not only the chest from the scarecrow it's also the sculpture up there the two sculptural is up there right someone in chat was asking or saying that they didn't know about the chess i mean i guess now that we also have since we have uh we've had long shot in iron boots for a while so i actually can get to the toilet room chest and druido even though i don't have song of time i can actually do a long shot clip to get underneath the song of time blocks for whatever reason you need to go back there you can also get the like like room so now i'm going to return to my ferrari's wind point ah i don't do i need to set it again i'll just set it again [Music] oh yeah and that's right as you said because i have silver gauntlets i can go to the like-like room now all right so now i can do a pretty precise uh long shot grab here i believe we want to stand just right here and if we aim just right oh yeah you can kind of see the reticle changing there we go very nice that was quite fast yeah it's not as precise in 3d so you you don't feel like it's not literally you know like quote pixel perfect uh as some people like to describe it in the original game but it's still a little it takes a few tries most of the time another blue rupee what are the chances what are the odds well isn't it just like basically one in five because there are a hundred yeah you could yeah you could basically assume it's one in five it's actually better by quite a margin yo the java jabu compass rory's wind well actually no it's not one in five because so many of the sculptures are overworld and they're always tokens oh yeah that's true for this playthrough i think it's like 50 50 or it's like 45 55 between the dungeons and the over worlds i'm gonna do a short hook shot jump to get back out best that means it's like one and eight it's 50 over 400 or so we're coming up on the last few checks of the fire temple here got to be something good there's so much so many checks in fire temple guaranteed i like your enthusiasm oh wait yeah i forgot it's 50 50. it's either a token or it's not ah right yes how could i have forgotten such a simple fact now see that right there is flawless logic but this is a no logic play through so we can't actually use that what the chance is okay so that's what that means right roll past the flames thankfully that's something we can do because going around the flame maze is just kind of annoying hips it's key too right doesn't it ah yeah i believe it does [Music] we could always just like pass our mega flip through the flame walls but that's true so since we already have the hammer we can use it to just immediately get the flare dancer out of its flame body by striking the center of the platform when the flame dancer comes out i have a flare dancer yeah it's weird the big goron sword is also bad damage values on flare dancers [Music] all right so there's uh the megaton hammered chest up in the next room and then there's the last uh goron who's stuck inside cell which we don't have song of time so we can't open up the switch to that cell but we do have hook shot clippings so it's not really a big deal [Music] uh all right one more check this one can be a bit tricky though because you don't want to target the goal run as you try to hook shut clip in well um fire temple more like stupid temple got him weird we're just three funny guys all right they should have played requiem uh there's two chests oh no actually i can there are no way well you can do a lot more forest temple now i think that you have boots yeah i can do a few more chicks in forest temple um we're still kind of being hindered by no zelda's and no bow currently how many spirit keys do i have hello oh wait there's a silver gauntlets rock over here has two business scrubs in it can't you also hook shot jump to yes uh i can hook shot jump up to the top of the arch uh i wouldn't be able to hover boost because i don't have hover boots oh right yeah but i could hover just straight up it's a nice small key grotto um i think you can't actually do the hook shot jump here with iron boots because you think too far in the sand oh right i remember there being something weird about that now that doesn't get us very much height if we had like a max height from the jump levers stop spawning um yeah you may always just hover up there yeah you can always just hover up there too how many bomb shoes we got we got 20. i mean if you do like vanilla spirit hover you should only need like nine because you have the long shot that is true yeah although i don't think you can get quite as high with your hovering because you you can't like shield a bomb shoe immediately oh yeah yeah the insta drop that you can do in n64 we able to get this social behind the song of time block uh yeah with boomerang oh right i feel like this has to be kind of convoluted though i think a spin attack can just kill it maybe not i don't know or just a flash if that's a spirit key that would be really good i guess we could uh oh wait oh no you can't do this so how would we do this i think you go into the alcove on the other side of the room and like throw it or to the left and then sign up into the right something this is really weird because we can't see it's going there we go oh okay it's not easy things like that just sort of work i feel like like the boomerang getting the items out of bounds i just i never have a setup for those types of things unfortunately we can't get the other chest because that requires zelda's lullaby um so i guess we could go back into doritos training grounds and get the five chests that we couldn't get there earlier are we about to see reverse wasteland i mean probably i mean we already go through wasteland earlier to get another opportunity to do quick put away at some point you got to start yba in yourself arrows oh no why did you have to mention that that is even hard what contents would i yba to get arrows bugs this side because we don't have the lens of truth so we wouldn't be able to use the guide to get through the wastelands [Music] who is not randomized yet but we'll probably be randomized in future releases of the game i don't think i've ever had to use that loading zone going back from haunted wasteland to gerudo fortress in like an exceedingly long time [Music] so it feels very weird coming into drew a fortress this my man he gets it [Laughter] might be a bit tricky yeah the ledges here are kind of far away from each other oh come on you can uh you can long shot the torch on this oh yeah that's true press down the switch first yeah i mean if i had song of time i would just spawn the song of time walks but we don't got none of those really i do not remember it being this picky billy man i might have to like go around all of gerudo training grounds first like the one up here because i didn't put down the fire obviously this would be significantly easier if we had hover boots also no all right well let's go do the other room first that i know we're going to be able to get through easily maybe we'll find hoverboats there and that would make our lives a lot easier naziel's here well zio would also be using just not immediately in gerudo training grounds now we can finally push this block this is a very high density location yeah given how much it's like actually left yeah how many checks do you think you've done total jim i have no idea maybe like 200 oh probably more than that i mean we're also not checking like 50 sculptural locations oh yeah fair but pretty much everything that's that i've not checked right now is either locked behind bow or zelda's lullaby oh another hylian shield although that's not very many things yeah well that's it's like seven yeah that's seven things you're a temple map yeah after this we should definitely head on over to the ice cavern the chest in here that we can't get because we don't have a bow here we are i feel like maybe the play might be to try and do a damage boost [Music] where the fire is i still think you can i still think you can probably jump down from the torch ledge uh maybe not that's too far yeah not quite i suppose i could hover to it if we get desperate oh my goodness i really don't remember it being this picky though so i'm surprised that i'm unveiling it so much oh yeah and i still never gave the claim checked so to go wrong well it's official guys this is too hard it's been a good it's been a good run jim can you long shot back before this final jump to skip it so now how do you want to do this oh let's go jim all right very nice immediately knocked and immediately knocked back down all right now we can get to the toilet room now oh the best room in all of gaming indeed all right so yep down beneath these songs time blocks when you need to aim just like this go now i won't be able to get back out of the toilet room once i actually collect all these silver rupees um but i can save warp and then come back to this room the current will stop trying to take all right okay now we go back and any guesses on what this is gonna be well i gotta guess for what i want it to be so it's it's the bow i think it's gonna be light arrows but like still not actually a bow okay that would that would be good and the answer is a shadow temple key all right well i guess that's something all right um let's see i did get the chest i actually don't think that i don't think you did i could be absolutely wrong about that but i should go up and check i can't see it when it's night time i miss this one and it's like actually something important i'm gonna feel like a fool i did miss it i could barely not reach it is 37th in 3d i believe so yes yes it is is it in the randomizer pool no we didn't miss anything by me missing that earlier uh what did i want to play i wanted to get flame check oh yeah that's what i wanted i was like i want to play bolero but that doesn't feel right that's what i wanted to play [Music] yeah all we're looking like like once we find the bow we'll basically be able to do everything else the only other thing that could be locked is zelda's lullaby if it's uh say somehow locked behind like a fairy fountain or something worst case you could like death holds a bongo if you wanted instead of death holding the cannon that's true that would be from deku tree boss room all right let's actually give the claim check after all this time another heart container oh man you're racking up the health here uh no logic it's been asked a couple times in the chat of late no logic means that there is no logic to where items are so an item could for example be on a spot that requires that item to get [Music] a few more things that i can get here in forest temple now we also have some more small keys so i don't really have to worry about preserving any there's actually some pretty fun glitches we can do here now that we uh have the iron boots wedge clips through here again uh one of these fun glitches oh wait is the water not here okay uh we can do is called i think it's just called gravity glitch uh if we put on the iron boots right before we grab onto the vines here um link's gravity will now actually be that of what he would uh have if he was under water so he walks around a little weirdly but there's a few cool things that this allows oh wait does it get canceled if we go through a door i guess it does okay we can do it in this room too because i have the long shots we do it at the same time that we grab onto this ladder make our way over here hook shot back up onto the vines uh and then here we can actually get a side hop that makes it all the way down to this platform over here if my angle is correct just a slow fall down to the ground angle looks good and there we go there's one chest in this room we can get and then we'll go back out courtyard it doesn't uh help us to press down that switch now because we would need though if we wanted to pose another fire temple key that we don't you're gonna find all eight fire temple keys before you find a bow i wouldn't doubt it that is like substantially more unlikely now we're gonna do some more fun hook shot jumping over in this courtyard i need to do a higher hook shot jump than that this will allow us to get up to the higher balconies here without needing to uh use a small key he doesn't want to take a guess if it's a floor master or a wall master because i don't know if you know this no one actually knows that's fair i'm pretty sure that one's a floor master because it actually crawls over the floor nope really i wait see i don't know i thought the wall masters were the ones that come from the ceiling nope i was right that is a wall master that you just fought which makes absolutely no sense and floor masters i guess floor master kind of makes sense wait no okay you ready for this the hands and wind waker that come out of the ground those are floor masters the hand you just fought that's also a floor master okay but the hand but they're completely different enemies but the hands in like uh okay now i'm just confused okay and wall masters are what navi's comment on wall master on a different wiki is watch out for its shadow on the floor i'm something's wrong no yeah it's shadow on the floor because it's hovering over you from the ceiling no but different wikis are saying that enemy is called a floor master and some of them are calling it a wall master oh okay well i can't i guess i guess the debates will just have to continue i can't research this anymore my brain will explode yeah i was very much under the impression that floor masters were on the floor and wall masters were on the ceiling but maybe not yes the hands broke adef after all this time i can't do it anymore this is the last challenge you're approaching oh yeah don't even bring up dead hand where does he fit into all this dead hand no way oh my god after all this time we just had to go look in the vanilla location and there it was no way dude that's so funny oh man i should have set ferrari's wind in gtg well i messed it up i have a gamer fact the game is games tabled you know had all those sha-bomb facts i have a po fact that i bet both of you know but the chat might not know it uh targeting a po causes them to disappear faster ah yes is indeed true who made this busted randomizer jim did and he's been lying about not knowing where everything is yes i definitely wanted to delay getting both for almost four and a half hours you ready for another po fact this this one's this one's really gonna wet your whistle did you know that the four post sisters are named after the sisters in that one book yeah that's the one yeah i did know that but i also didn't know what book it was and so we'll finish getting the checks here and then we'll beat we'll beat forest temple even though it's only going to give us the uh zorus sapphire who knows we might still need it jim just hover over the boat gap forehead i mean we still need light arrows if we're gonna go down that road it's on bongo trust me the light arrows are on bongo okay actually funny story about light arrows being on bongo yeah there's lore to that too okay um there was a there was a test seed that some of our friends were doing like a few months ago at this point like way before the randomizer actually released and um there was uh in the spoiler log uh me and gamestable knew that the bongo bongo heart container uh was going to be light arrows uh in the seed so i believe i got everything here enforced uh and then one of our friends gets to the bongo bongo heart container and it's just a heart container and we're like what the heck where are the light arrows and it turns out that um i had incorrectly defined bongo bongo's heart container as jabu-jabu's heart container actually well that's fun so that was we were kind of lucky that we encountered that in a playthrough where like a key item just so happened to be uh on like a location that wasn't defined correctly i assume you do not have forest bk uh no also i did say i was gonna go beat forest temple and then just straight up left at night okay um you could uh you could do the lakeside lab while you're here yeah that's true i could also beat more foot i don't know i'm gonna see if i'm a real gamer right here oh no way he's doing the thing this is the big gamer check what a gamer the what has [Music] the west we have iron boots uh we can kind of cheese uh doing the like dive to the bottom of the lakeside lab uh by hook shotting that box and then unequipping iron boots biologists will be like yeah you did it be like thanks then we'll leave oh wow the bow opens a lot actually now that i'm thinking about it i still can't do dorito archery because i don't have opponent actually i guess can't i technically steal opponent even if i don't have opponents yes yep yeah and just so long as you don't get caught three times she'll stay and you can keep doing archery but you already got the gerudo card anyway so actually do i have water temple bosque i do yes oh no now i have to do this the regular way i don't have hover booths that room is like very cursed the vanilla way i'm not sure why it is that way i almost got her all right so morpha is pretty easy [Music] at vfg i can't call out my man like that that way that little rainbow effect is fun so this is going to give us the kokiri emerald let me step into this warp portal here um and then we're also going to get the item from the heart container so at this point we're still looking for the light arrows and zelda's lullaby if we want to beat the game like the legit randomizer way you could say but if if we end up going for too long we do have the option of wrong warping to the final boss also shout out to vanilla heart container [Music] i think probably i don't know how you boys feel about this but like if you don't have light arrows by like 430 xx or something around there i don't know i'll leave that up to you okay i could do four four xx what's the current timer i actually don't have a timer 409 47. 409 okay let's see do we want to wait the whole night not not the whole real the whole in-game night so that we can get the lake or the fire arrow check yeah yeah we can't pick so at this point not gonna be back here we can play a game hey i have a game all right you ready game yeah i'm thinking of a number between 1 and 100 closest without going no just closest wins all right so i'm thinking of the number i got it i'm stable do you go first uh that's not fair okay fine 33. 34. well 62. so game stable the real strat is you pick 49 or 50 and then let jim pick 51. yeah you played the game wrong is basically what i'm trying to say so yeah um you're just bad i guess as soon as he had this tick i knew that i messed up well maybe not if it was 33 you'd be dead on or if it was below 33 that too you got a one in three chance of winning the game really i had a 50 chance either it was greater or not greater yeah you either win or you don't oh that beautiful gold sculpture token that beautiful gold sculpture token animation and all oh my god wait somebody in the chat guessed it oh well i guess they win courtesan guest 62. i don't know if they guessed it before or after i'd said it but it seems legit i guess we can just go steal a conan after killing that boy and then head off head off back to the gerudo fortress and get those last few um those last few uh training grounds checks and the judo archery game checks you did check nocturne cutscene right oh actually i don't think i have that's a good point we should go do that we have the power of hessing on our side so it'll be fast well maybe not if there's fences in the way don't you have nocturne i do but i feel like at this point it would be faster to just hess hey you're the science guy [Music] you're the you're the zelda science boy i trust you i feel like my most of my zelda science knowledge is consolidated to skyward sword and wind waker not so much to this game all right well game stable right but i didn't time how long it would take to s across hyrule field versus play doctrine to get the kakariko money i just saw it on the uh the stream which is a little bit behind what gamestable and i are watching but they made an opening in the side of those fences in ot 3d yeah i don't i just realized that too i didn't know that was there i thought you asked right through it and i was like what yeah [Music] see song wise we're still missing epona's song zelda's lullaby uh oh i got bolero and we're also missing sun song and song of time oh right so uh when gamestable said that jim literally built the logic end quote what he means is the logic for the randomizer in general like the actual program uh not this specific seed [Laughter] yeah yeah before it's a little murkier now but before this randomizer released me and jim had this really nice like split system where he did all the logic stuff and like developed the app for the randomizer and i kind of worked on all the in-game patches and stuff yeah so most of our work was separate from the other that's is a skeletal token goodbye what was the uh the app scripted in if you don't mind me asking what was the what the app that you made what was it scripted in oh it's just c plus like all uh 3ds homebrewers right i think like most 3ds homebrewers [Music] yeah definitely most yeah that that the app is c plus the patch is mostly c um but there's assembly as well as needed let's see you can test clips through this a really long time since i've had to steal opponent you can just hover my guy oh right ot 3d brain thank you you're also going to hit every cuckoo probably i don't think they have spherical collisions amazing staircase hover thank you it looks really hard must be tough you can finally do the big bow guy too yeah that's true does anybody else remember well okay i'm gonna phrase this differently because everyone will remember hey everybody remember how when you were a kid shooting those big pose felt impossible anyway that's my relatable comment for the night what would you rate that we'll see the reason i felt so relatable because uh we didn't have gyro aiming as a kid i think for a lot of people it was i'm pretty sure i've done that grotto already the one under the bombable rock yeah oh okay there's another big deal all right so we only need one big po for the market guys thankfully big toe ready 44 skeletal tokens maybe i should update the tracker with how many tokens we have they're not useful tokens but now we can make our way over to dorito fortress again and the bridge should be formed but i guess even if it wasn't we would just jump across with the opponent you can even do the crowd over here now with fire that's just a sculptural token right is so i know earlier we had that debate about cac archery if it's a different reward for not having a quiver then is it a different reward now i don't think so i mean i think you said you hashed that game stable so that it's like always yeah it'll just be a purple ruby now [Music] so there's two chests right at the beginning of doritos training grounds that we can get to and then there's the one that's a little bit deeper in with the rumor we have to shoot a bunch of different eyes i just cut that sign yeah we just cut that sign in half it's probably not the best place to park opponent but yes now that we have the bow oh yeah we also do have the ability to do fire related things i could go to the wasteland also i guess for that one check oh man progressive scale that's not useful more bomb shoes this is uh this is my favorite song in the game right here generic dungeon theme oh yeah just really that that gets me it just has that sense of foreboding that you don't really get with many of the other tracks yeah i like the part where it goes you know what i mean oh that gets rid of the fire this room is so confusing actually shoot the eye there we go hey and this one is a recovery heart how wonderful and it seemed like when we were in dudongo's cavern that the rest of the seed was just gonna be so fast yeah and then it took us two and a half hours to find bow so thankfully this mini game uh not too bad with gyro aiming what's your guess for the points game stable um 1560 and then 16 10. i'm going to say 16 10 and then 1560. i'm just doing the number guessing game thing to you again well you guys don't seem to have very much confidence in me or my golden gauntlets apparently which i don't think actually helps us since we already got into light trial but we can mark those we also have blue gauntlets now because custom colors oh they look cool in first person [Music] oh ah you were almost right [Laughter] the spirit temple key well now i feel compelled to go to spirit temple again it is funny how like in no logic i feel like sometimes you're like oh well the game wants me to do this when in reality it doesn't want you to do anything right [Music] unfortunately the golden gauntlets if we had zelda's lullaby it would open up another fairy check but we don't have zelda's lullaby so still can't get any of those it is looking more and more likely that zelda's lullaby could be locked behind um it could be locked behind one of the fairy fountains you're definitely running low on checks although we do have three checks that are not three we have two checks we can get in this room right here i don't think you need to use that it's bad right you can come in from the top after this uh i guess i technically could yeah although i'd still be key locked out of quite a few checks i mean not having zelda's all by means i can't get four things already but i did get the forest temple compass that's that's pretty hype and dense fire i can ferries all right so i don't have zelda's lullaby um i can't go through there i okay i think like if i hover up to the top of here um i will be able to get in and beat spirit temple can you i'm gonna do that switch to the hammer switch well the hammer switch doesn't spawn any chests because the hammer switch just opens up the path to like this is the shortcut oh yeah oh yeah i was thinking of the chest that yeah like how the when you play lullaby it spawns too all right good luck i'm not sure i can get high enough to do this i want to at least drive oh well i would decided that i was just gonna place down the i guess instead of actually uh shielding it jim just an fyi you are at 425.40 or so all right i get anywhere higher all right i think maybe it might be a better bet um i think actually the the play here might be to go to zoro's domain and ice cavern uh as adult link which the fastest way to get to would be going through lost woods [Music] is there out of curiosity was that game stable oh i was just gonna say i guess that is like a whole area that's still kind of just open out of curiosity is there a spoiler yeah there is a spoiler i would have to get it off of my 3ds though because it does get created on the 3ds it's not something that like we can view in-game or anything i just hope that like zelda's lullaby or light arrows isn't that like some location that somehow i missed and everybody else just forgot about i would be kind of surprised if that happened it's going to be like a chest in kokiri for us it's like oops we forgot the chekamaito's house chest all right deku tree [Music] all right so to get into zora's domain i actually have to do a pretty precise hook shot jump here off of this ladder [Music] okay wait a little bit higher i don't think that's gonna work okay hopefully i can maneuver this oh no darn it yeah unfortunately i was still holding target when i launched up into the air so i didn't get a very good camera view of that we can try again though okay this looks like it's good yeah there we go all right [Music] [Music] but i will instead have to do a ledge clip here [Music] get out of bounds all right so there's a piece of heart that's out here in the open on the floating ice that was an interesting interaction which is a heart piece we're just gonna sink down to the one that's at the bottom here [Music] which what is that oh that's another bow yeah alright now we can use 40 arrows [Music] vanilla bow and bottom azure fountain though both of them are very funny so far i don't have hover boots so i have to kind of face normally [Music] yeah ice caver not particularly check dense um it does have seven locations but that's a lot less than most other dungeons except for i guess maybe jabu not typically a very high priority [Music] location but it does look very cool in 3d i do like how they uh made the graphical yeah i feel like this dungeon got the biggest touch-up forest temple map jim out of curiosity i'm sorry that i keep pestering you about this but what is the uh the length of the wrong word uh well it's it's gonna take a bit longer than usual because i have to damage down to zero hearts uh from 12 and a half with double defense but once we like actually get down to zero health shouldn't be more than maybe like a few minutes all right you're at 4 32 i'm not sure when you want to call it um uh yeah we'll probably go through ice cavern and check king zora and if if there's absolutely no progress made by then okay now then we might be able to just call it there and we can do the fun act of checking the spoiler log so this chest normally ice cavern map is a drudo training grounds key fire the blue fire while we have the blue tunic with the blue hylene shield and the blue gauntlets actually i bet i know what we're going to find in here oh yeah we're going to find ice arrows in here to complete the blue item check how much you want to bet um a thousand dollars that's a pretty hefty bed yeah i just you know i'm feeling good about a thousand and one dollars what no i can't believe i got out gamed again you're only a gamer if you spend exorbitant amounts of money oh there's some song i guess that technically gives us one check that's a bunch of deku seeds you are a hurricane for you that i bet you didn't know okay did you did you know that shaboms love you very much oh oh that's reassuring to hear thank you you're welcome i would like to thank you very much for your wholesome fact aydah yeah of course hey they told me all right wait we've talked to the sho bombs before uh what's the question you've talked to the shabams before no comment could drop this yeah exactly thank you [Music] in the realm of checks we have another map fire temple map and that's our second map here in ice cavern i for one can't wait to see what the iron boots chest is gamestable and i together have two grand writing on it not being ice arrows this is definitely an anxious moment which we're going to have to go get some blue fire first before i'm confident and we'll do another cool jump right here are you kidding me i've always done something much more complicated than that i mean the other setup is fine and like a hundred percent because you have to get the sculpture of the rupees anyway yeah that's fair this room looks so good in ot 3d i know this room is so cool i love it just looks endless in all directions wow that camera was really whack with the hook shutout all right we're going to get two items in a row here spirit temple key and a water temple key all right jim pay up i'll take those 500 gift subs please or 200 200 gift subs well if you want me to make a grand it is 500 gift subs but a direct donation would be cheaper you're probably right look i don't care how it gets to me it's just that it gets to you eventually you didn't give me a time limit so um you could pay me a dollar every day for three years that's true that also works gamestable wants a thousand and one though and i have no idea how to do that so yeah thousand and one's not divisible by very many numbers so also we did just walk through king zora because his collision goes away 1001 is not prime purple rupee all right well [Music] we did get sun song so i feel inclined to check the sun song grave since it's on our way to uh the final boss anyway but we unfortunately still have not found light arrows or zelda's lullaby in this grave i can play it uh we will spawn in another chest this one has 20 daku sticks oh yeah you did not get a deco stick upgrade yet yeah somehow all right who's ready to damage down me me me hey we'll get there eventually it's just a very gentle hug this is why you don't see a lot of death whole wrong warps 100 yeah so uh i think this seat has gone on long enough um so we're going to be doing a trick um known as a death hole wrong warp and um this wrong work uh is basically going to allow us to get directly to the final boss um because at this point we're definitely going to go way over five hours if i try to well actually hold on i never got this no you you checked it you checked it it's a gold skulltula token if memory serves oh right yeah i i didn't actually collect it but i looked at it through the wall that sounds right i don't know how i remembered that because that was four hours ago but for some reason that is in my brain i mean you can confuse light arrows for gold skeletal tokens but now yeah it is hey i just really needed my 45th token hey i feel you what i'd like to thank all the gamers that have been in please remind her to follow jim's twitch and also check out the randomizer i will post both those sets yeah if you guys want to play the randomizer yourselves uh it's not very difficult to set up at least in my opinion um most people seem to echo the sentiment that it's pretty easy to set up if you have your own 3ds and a north american version of the game all right so now it's time for the fun to begin uh i want to make sure no i do not want to use my fish i want to make sure that i have my fish on um the x button here so what i'm going to be doing is i'm going to be dropping down a bomb here and then right as the bomb explodes i'm going to jump slash and die into this grotto this is going to spawn us at the lakeside laboratory because you know where else would falling into this grotto spawn you and now you might notice on the bottom screen that i actually don't have anything there um this is because the bottom screen is mimicking what it does on the title screen because what i did is after i fell into the grotto i actually just straight up quit the game so the game is actually in a mode where it sort of thinks we're on uh the title screen right now and i'm gonna be trying to do a glitch here called ocarina items um i'm specifically gonna be doing quick draw ocarina items just because it's easier i failed it the first time and using ocarina items i'm going to play the nocturn of shadow so we did the quick draw there so now i need to just jump and use bottle sword so now link's just kind of swinging his sword through his head uh so as you guys all know uh nocturne of shadow is a warp song and it's a very cool wharf song at that uh because i'm sure you guys didn't know this it actually takes you to the ganon's tower collapse sequence which is very cool so now we can beat the game despite the fact that we never got zelda's lullaby or light arrows and we never beat the shadow temple even though if we beat the shadow temple we would have finally gotten the spear medallion hey i'm just proud of you for getting here nice work thank you yeah game stable you could use some work i'm not gonna be you know i'm not gonna sugarcoat it but yeah i mean i taught you about your bombs so i kind of think that it was a joke i was actually really grateful about the shabam stuff but i can't be too outwardly you know grateful because jim's the runner you know and i gotta you know yeah but yes you were the most important member of this team you did provide all the shabam facts jim is kind of fragile i'm only fragile when i'm hearing shabom facts though i mean hey if you want to make me stronger you just shoot me with a slingshot pellet and i will do vector addition and become stronger that's actually true wow yeah so after we're done here um we can take a look at the spoiler log and see where zelda's lullaby and light arrows were because i'm sure everybody is dying to know that let's let's guess let's guess i'm gonna get zelda's lullaby was at the death mountain great ferry okay and light arrows uh light arrows probably in the latter half of shadow temple let's say the boss key chest i'm going to say that zelda's lullaby was fur's wind and light arrows was a double defense i'm gonna say that a zelda's lullaby was not the boss just in shadow temple but the other chest in that same room all right and the light arrows was that last sculpture in decoration all right the sculpture line deku tree if it's the sculptural or deku tree i'm gonna be like rolling my eyes at myself he's gonna be s his image s his mh dude alright so we did a trick here where i used din's fire at the same time i entered this cutscene this actually allows me to keep the master sword for the first phase so the first phase can actually be a lot faster now i can do master sword jump slashes every other uh attack onto gannon's tail only does uh one hit point of damage [Music] oh yeah also uh to anyone who ever uh does this fight in the randomizer don't get isg here bad things will happen all right so we got time coming up here pretty soon gg jim you're under estimate we're underestimate who knew that you could get underestimate with the power of death hole wrong warping because you weren't able to complete your actual seed all right so gotta press the b button and time gg gg so thankfully because we found nocturne we were able to beat the no logic seed uh so i'd like to thank gymnast 86 for coming on and doing this wonderful show i know it perhaps didn't finish the way you wanted but i had a great time and this was genuinely the comfiest show we've had so far it was just like chill vibes for five hours uh so everybody if you enjoyed any of the run you saw tonight please give gymnast a follow on twitch twitch.tv gymnast 86 we're gonna look at the spoiler log here in just a moment um but yeah i'd like to thank everybody and gamestable thank you commentary is very informative a lot of people were telling me that they love the fact that another dev was on talking about stuff so thank you for joining thanks for inviting me of course and jim give us the bad news first i have to make sure my 3ds can connect over ftp there we go and we can get out our spoiler log 192.168. no way mine's like that too wait me too wow i can't believe it the magic of internal ip addresses and also a last second plug again uh for the randomizer that gamestabled and gymnasts were lead developers on um co-developers cohorts they were they worked on it and you can join the discord and find out information on the randomizer and how you can add it to your system or play it when you want to play it i am just really i'm a great showrunner right now guys that's all i gotta say uh join that discord and enjoy ocarina of time 3d randomizer gymnasts take it away all right so the moment of truth it turns out that light arrows were in the spirit temple compass chest which is lullaby locked so we were definitely not going to find the light arrows without finding lullaby first and zelda's lullaby was in the water temple gold sculptula central pillar which i believe is lullaby locked yeah you have to lower the water at least one level yeah so because you have to lower the water um because you can't open doors underwater in any way shape or form right i don't believe so actually wait could you like um this the central pillar room yeah is that room um always loaded with the tunnel at the bottom that goes to like the area with all the enemies that you have to defeat underwater and the other key um i'm not sure because if you could load that room and then go back to load the central pillar maybe then you could go up and get that sculpture the tldr though is that this seed was oh yeah logically like zelda's lullaby was behind needing zelda's lullaby so that's fun yeah uh but yeah last moment congrats to uh to jim on on finishing regardless and thank you to both of you any last words you got before i give the little outro uh well i guess i got something else i need to go test that'll be fine nice game stable i don't think i have anything else i'm just glad that we got to show this off and i hope some people check it out uh me and jim and others worked really hard on it so nice it it shows it's very it seems very well done um all right well that's gonna be it for challenger approaching this evening please be sure to stick around uh we're going to take a quick break here and then we'll be rating someone afterwards so please be sure to stick around uh really quickly just another reminder that uh tomorrow or technically today saturday uh tina's rpg show will be showing off uh final fantasy 7 starting at 1 pm eastern also information on all the hotfix shows available at gamesnounquick.comfix from there you can find out more information about submitting your runs to any of our weekly shows thank you as always for joining on challenger approaching this show is every other friday night at 7 or 10 p.m eastern and uh two weeks from now we'll be back with fall guys challenges which should be interesting so gamers thank you so much for watching stay safe out there get vaccinated and we'll see when we see you

Channel: Games Done Quick

Views: 80,422

Keywords: AGDQ, GDQ, SGDQ, Awesome Games Done Quick, Summer Games Done Quick, Games Done Quick, SDA, SRL, Speed Demos Archive, SpeedRunsLive, Twitch, Video Games

Id: Jml4GcT2dYU

Length: 300min 14sec (18014 seconds)

Published: Tue May 04 2021