Cenk Compares Different Conservatives He's Debated at Politicon

I was just at Politico this is the fourth year in a row that I've closed out that convention with a debate against a right winger and it has been an interesting set of folks and what I wanted to do here was tell you the differences in their debating style and substance and what I learned from it including the debate with Tiger cross and last night that we had and and for the members I'm gonna go deeper and I'm gonna tell you what I would have told Tucker Carlson if the debate had gone in a different direction especially if it got in a more antagonistic direction so tea y-t-dot-com /join to become a member and in the post games and in 18 other shows we have we give you more progressive take on on the issues including this one so now here's roughly the floor and then we could have a conversation about it Ann Coulter is someone who's an actress and so in the beginning of the debate with her I tried to get her to basically admit that she doesn't really mean it she almost did it and if you watch that debate at some point she says well I mean come on and then corrects herself catches herself and from then on that turning point she then went over the top and talked about the Browning of America and how deplorable was that we were letting peasants and so then I became more antagonistic based on her outrageous comments okay and then Dinesh D'Souza is actually the saddest of the lot in my opinion I agree yeah you know Joe Ricketts is a as a major Republican donor he's the owner of the Chicago Cubs and Ameritrade and back in 2012 he commissioned a report that said we need a brown-skinned person to attack Obama okay they found him well mission accomplished and Dinesh D'Souza that of course a giant movie about oh how Obama is from is against colonialism didn't estuary your family originally came from suffered greatly under colonialism but they needed someone to do their bidding and he makes outrageous ridiculous points so I for the Dinesh's of the world it's not really worth talking to him anymore if you ask me I mean what's the guy you're gonna do he's gonna get P gets paid to put out offensive points on purpose i remarried now defense trump is having great moral character and he said obama had bad moral character because he used a selfie stick in the White House and he said it was a ghetto thing to do that's who Dinesh D'Souza is okay no interest in that guy ben shapiro is a robot so he he does not care to engage in a conversation he's not trying to learn something he's a fascinating by your point of view and howard juxtaposes to his point of view he's got his talking points he's ready to unleash them he's got his guys ready to make clips out of them afterwards he has a very specific purpose it's a business and he's gonna do this and then they all those guys are gonna say doesn't matter fill in the blank whoever he talks to whether it's on TV and a debate etc crush destroyed disemboweled my favorite as i've told you several times is when these guys get the target points confusing in the streets they'll say Oh Beth Shapiro eight you know what you think it means okay so anyway so it's a machine it's and his job is not to have a conversation but to get out his talking points as fast as he can because the right-wing if you speak fast confuses that for intellect okay now we go to Tucker cross and then here's where the interesting surprise came in we had a real conversation and he was a real person and I was kind of blown away by that and so I completely changed what I was going to say based on the what Tucker was doing if Tucker had taken a Ben Shapiro or Dinesh D'Souza or agricultural line and I would have attacked him and I had a whole series of attacks ready that's what we'll talk about in the post here for the members but Tucker often said oh that's interesting and maybe you have a decent point on this and not one on that right and so then we can actually have a conversation as actual human beings and not robots regurgitating talking points so for example when he talks about hey everybody that comes here needs to speak English well I have a point of view on that that is not necessarily liberal orthodoxy and and I shared that and I'm willing to share that I'm not getting give a at any ground or an inch to dinesh d'souza or a ben shapiro because that's not what they're looking for they would only use it against you right but if you're having a conversation with a human you can actually go back and forth like okay that makes sense and that doesn't make sense and I think that he so I don't want people to him take him conceding points is a sign of weakness I think it's a sign of intellect and and having a conversation now on the other hand Tucker says terrible things on the air so I'm I'm conflicted by that and I'm just keeping it real but it was I had to confess that it was nice to talk to her non-robot you mind if I jump in yeah of course okay so I've actually been saying something similar about Tucker Carlson for a while now he just wrote a book and the whole point of the book is like oh my goodness the elitists are so bad they're so terrible they've destroyed everything basically we need to turn power back over to the people and he's kind of doing a Steve Bannon esque thing where he's kind of a fake populist and there's a reason I say fake and not just populist because the trick that he does is he will say a lot of the right things in fact now he even says I go I'm against the wars in fact he kind of berated neocon john bolton but ultimately he ends up supporting Donald Trump so and don't get me wrong the arguments on their own merit are pretty good when he says hey I hate the neo-cons and you know I hate the elitists who have ruined everything and but if your solution is more of the problem and we now know because Donald Trump's policies exacerbate the problem he really is of the establishment and he's totally elitist that's what all of his policies have been since he's been in office he brought about it well then he's a snake then Tucker Carlson is a snake oil salesman and I'm not trying to say that as like you know to put him down or anything or take a potshot I'm just saying that if you're backing Donald Trump and you're pretending to be anti-establishment you're simply not anti-establishment mm-hmm yeah I mean Donald Trump literally bragged that he's like on the lead what do you mean he said in a rally he's like oh these other guys claiming to be leaves I'm the lead hey knucklehead you're not supposed to admit that remember you're in an anti aliased campaign but he can't help himself so I hear what you're saying but and I think there's a lot more problems with what Tucker Carlson says off especially related to cultural demographics but to be fair to him even on the Wars he's it real or not real okay one you yell at John Bolton about Syria on on air that's real because it's good yes yeah yep and on the Iraq war he turned within one year he didn't wait 17 years I mean Hillary Clinton took on true he turns in a year I didn't know that yeah okay I did just did a lot of research so I know so he was like yep I was wrong I gave in to my instinct says said not to go into Iraq but I gave in to people who I thought were smarter than me etc it was a mistake and I and I regret it and I can't believe others haven't turned on it so that's that's that's significant I think you're wrong and here's why I think you're overthinking Tucker Carlson's political opinions or thoughts I think you're discounting human psychology and what happens to you when you show up at an event realizing that you read a teleprompter every day for your job that you somehow miraculously can do a daily news program and write a book simultaneously which is nearly impossible if you actually do the research necessary to to report the news and share your real analysis and real opinions I think he showed up became intimidated by this giant crowd that was there to see this debate essentially and notice that you came prepared and so an easy way to get through that situation without too much pain is to be more agreeable and I think that's the reason why he really minimized and downplayed some of the stuff that he says on Fox News on a regular basis so what he said on Fox News about how scary it is when the demographics start to change you know that was a fear-mongering about immigration okay but again he downplayed that when you called him out on it during this debate and so again it's less painful to just be agreeable and and he kept calling you smart which you are I'm not trying to pretend like like I mean one of the chances right obviously just trying to be agreeable that was like if you pay close attention it's subtle but it was obvious to me it was a white flag well like it was let me compliment him let me point to his good points call him smart and hopefully he doesn't maul me which you could have easily done so yeah I really disagree and it's fascinating that there's different my favorite conspiracy theory from someone who works here is that he's trying to red pill you guys that is seeming to agree with you guys so you'll watch him and then you'll buy into his point about immigrants being bad and how we got to have one culture here but if you watch him his rhetoric is the antithesis of what you experienced during that debate right that's support that's jarring and hard to hard to square and that's why to me and that's why I could Tim I enjoyed this debate so much more because it was it's Tucker cross as a mystery I know exactly what I'm gonna get with Dinesh D'Souza has a really sad pathetic man who's gonna do the same exact talking boys charlie Kirk every time he does debate with Hassan as he did a politican twice now and with others he will mention Venezuela every time you might write it down in stone I I got him to come out in favor of some good positions I don't know how I did it watch dad you know how I did it I'm lying what I did is and this is you know something I think works is if you go into a debate and you frame the conversation from their ideology then it's hard for them to disagree so I said I know you believe in small government and hey a lot of people do sometimes that makes sense well let me tell you the areas where I believe in small government and I said warrantless NSA spying the government's way too big I want the government out of your life they're the drug war I want the government out of your life their foreign policy let's you know shrink the size of the military let's have smaller government and when you frame it from their ideology it's already a checkmate cuz then if he disagrees now he's in favor of big government so I think that that's actually one of the reasons why your conversation with Tucker I actually enjoyed it because I do think it was a real conversation now some of it maybe he was being disingenuous to Anna's point but I do think other parts of it no you just you were there to push him so you in turn made him more nuanced and he was able to flesh out those issues better than when he just sounds like a demagogue on Fox talking about the demographic changes and I I really I do I think it was a really good debate a really good discussion I'm happy you did it and I saw that Glenn Greenwald tweeted that hey this was a really good debate very substantive so I hope we see more of that and I have to say I'm less surprised by your discussion with him turning out the way it did then I M by the fact that Charlie Kirk's somehow agreed on some left issues you know in fact to give evolve and this is gonna be the maybe the most surprising thing I say but do you have truly heard a little bit of credit is in that panel the Euron there was another conservative from The Daily wire which is Ben Shapiro he was hilariously stupid but nobody that guy was a robot yes you were never gonna move him off of any position he's like whatever the Republican position is a hundred percent agree with it it doesn't have to make sense did you say the pro-life part yeah I mean yes he's of course it but that's a common thing they all say that they're pro-life then Kyle challenges him on death penalty and he's like I believe in the death penalty a hundred percent is a great to murder people trapped right I know but he really doesn't care yeah he's a robot right he's sent to do Republican talking points whereas Charlie in that conversation at least had some points with that I don't think he just made up at the on the spot I think he probably is against warrantless wires he presents himself as a libertarian so let's be clear about that he doesn't consider himself a conservative I think the real disagreement comes about when you start talking about economic policy oh yeah including deregulation taxation stuff like that that's when he keeps his donors in mind and spews you know those talking points about how somehow you know deregulating and getting rid of the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau is gonna be good for you as an average American well that goes to people's intentions and and hence let's let's conclude on this because what is Charlie Kirk get paid for and that's why you got triggered when I asked them what's your salary in the middle of the debate every single year every single year by the way I looked into that no he doesn't the charity that he gives to is basically the nonprofit foundation tied to Turning Point USA so anyway I also gives the Jane huger charity to be fair no seriously though I I don't know what I live like a capitalist every day means but okay so what is Charlie get paid for he gets paid by those incredibly rich donors to make sure that they have low tax cuts so warrantless wiretapping Foster Friess is like don't care tax cuts I care charlie go tell everybody tax cuts is awesome and Tucker I think that if he wasn't on Fox News might have more interesting conversations like the ones that we had and we could have an interesting debate and not even a debate but a discussion between libertarian right wing and and and left wing and neither one of us is tied to a particular party I criticize the Democratic Party all the time and in I did during the debate he from time to time criticizes the Republican Party having less so but yeah but could but east on Fox News and Fox News 101 is demagoguing fear of the others that are invading your country it's largely an audience that is very old very white very male and so that's catnip for them I mean and that pays the bills so that's my best guess so speaking of his audience that's among the insults ahead plan that I did not use that will talk about in the postgame TYT drop slice join to become a member and get that and all the post games every day on the go don't worry we've got you covered you still listen to T YT at our new podcast network find us on Apple podcast at Google Play Store or at TYT comm slash podcast [Music]

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Length: 15min 2sec (902 seconds)

Published: Mon Oct 22 2018