Carlsen - Nepomniachtchi | Game 3 | World Chess Championship | Howell, Houska, Snare

[Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] so [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] so [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] experts are saying that this is already the most exciting world championship match that magnus carlsen has ever played yanapon hachi he came close to a major upset yesterday and today he's gonna have the white pieces so welcome everyone to day three in the feed at world championship match [Music] [Music] the champion and his uh challenger are tied after two games in dubai but grand master david howell how close did magnus carlsen come to actually losing yesterday actually objectively according to computers he was very close he was definitely closer to losing than he was to winning but magnus carson he is resilient he found some practical chances and at some point he was out playing yandere pontiac it was a really roller coaster game both sides had their chances and in the end the draw was a fair result today is going to be game three in the same amount of days both games have lasted for four to five hours will they feel a little bit drained today you think i think for sure they will be but it was part of magnus carson's match strategy to draw out the games especially at the beginning just to test his challenger's stamina and i think we might well be in for that again today because tomorrow's the rest day they can spend all of their energy today and did we also yesterday start to see the psychological battle being played out yeah i think it's going to increase as the days goes on uh as they go on the psychological battle yesterday we saw yandere pony actually barely spend any time at the board he's trying to get in magnus carson's head maybe he's also trying to keep himself relaxed so we'll see that psychological warfare continue today yep the world champion magnus carlsen he had his first game with the white pieces yesterday a game that gave us many big moments on the second day of the free day world championship janupomniacci proved to be a dangerous challenger to magnus carlson look at this black knight it's an intruder it's a bit of an octopus there with all of its tentacles controlling lots of squares in white's camp and magnus needs to get rid of that knight asap yeah this shows magnus is in the mood to fight he wants to win and he's not materialistic at all we might well see magnus give up a rook that white rook in the bottom corner now look at this napoli actually reacts instantly wow straight back to the board move magnus now has a big dilemma to face that rook in the corner is under fire and that white dart square bishop also attacked this one has reached boiling point now the next couple of moves might decide the fate of this game war this was not on my radar at all he's just given up a pawn for free uh what is the idea behind that one he's still got his pen in his hand he's trying to figure out what the point is just see the hand kind of yeah make that draw offer oh there we go draw offer and it is a draw at some point i blundered uh when i allowed knight c5 because i didn't intend to suck quite as much material as i actually did yeah the position was very very interesting it was going going my way for for a bit but i couldn't really find a plan and then he certainly had chances as well yeah guys it's another beautiful day in chess paradise the weather's still nice and warm beautiful clear blue sky and i was lucky enough to run into yuri poga and herself the chess legend you are on your way to commentate the game so i will just ask you a couple of quick questions how are you enjoying your stay so far oh this is amazing it's this is my first time that i'm commentating a world championship match but this is something very special so anybody who can have the opportunity to come here definitely something to come to the expo in dubai yeah it is quite quite an experience do you have some thoughts or impressions of the game so far you would like to share with us well so far i think it's extremely exciting because the kickoff game game one was already very interesting when magnus played the knight a5 move and sacrificed upon for initiative it was a very interesting very detailed game with very small nuances in there so it was interesting where magnus might have take a little bit over but when it was a little bit dangerous for napo it was very clear that he was very much standing there very clear he said okay i just have to fix the position make bring my maneuvering with the knight and then he saved the game and it was just a repetition of moves and yesterday's game was something absolutely amazing i think for game two in a world championship match it was just ups and downs endless ideas to talk about to analyze and i think all of us when we were analyzing with anish it was like really endless interesting ideas there and there were moments which was extremely hard for young especially after the opening but in the middle game it was very dangerous for magnus and it was so interesting to follow the players how their body language gave some information also to us and to each other but of course some things is not about body language some things are really what happens in the board you cannot hide it magnus had to sacrifice material in order to be stay in the game and uh at the end it was pretty clear that instead of little bit torturing more young magnus decided with his queen move queen g4 to go into direction to simplification and it was a draw so these two draws was magnificent magnificent and uh i'm very much looking for virtual games three well thank you very much this is judit pogo providing the expert commentary that you can find on the deep dive podcast broadcast i'm sorry and i know you have to go and commentate right now so i will let you go thank you very much and guys back to you thanks so much and judith both on the ground in dubai but here in the studio we have some excellent people to commentate on today's game also ginger gm simon williams who spent yesterday at the good night was it fun it was great yeah it's a bit of a bit of a change being in here um i'll be honest i quite enjoyed the good night yeah but it's lovely to join you for the first time in the studio uh obviously i've been watching the the tour over the last year and i'm here i'm now here so um round three the day before the rest day it's gonna be found fantastic game i think and uh if one player wins they're gonna have a great lead going into that rest day so exciting yeah definitely and of course at the good night yesterday with a bunch of norwegian fans being in oslo were they at some point getting a little nervous on magnus's behalf i think the beer probably helps so um it's uh yeah this is the good night chess pub in oslo and um they had the big screens over there so they're watching the chest they're enjoying the chess and i think it was a real up and down game so you could sort of feel with the vibe of the pub because obviously everyone's supporting agnes because he's norwegian and he goes down there quite a lot and magnus was doing very well people quite excited but then obviously at one point it seemed like he might well lose the game and there was there was a little bit of concern maybe some more pints being pulled at the bar at that moment and um but it was it was it was a brilliant day so much fun yeah watching the action there yeah great and it was a thrilling game you're like how did the twitter world react to the action yesterday um everyone thought the game was absolutely intense uh again everyone was concerned for magnus but again impressed by nepomiacci's defensive skills and how resourceful he was and again the games took so many twists and turns it was absolutely incredible to see and the consensus is everyone is psyched up for game number three yeah and even magnus because magnus carlsen has tweeted right he has tweeted and there's a little bit of a cryptic tweet but you know he has posted the match is unofficially officially on so i think he's saying yep look forward to what's about to come next i i'm struggling to really under unofficially officially on anyone can do we get that i think our viewers will have to help us out with the meaning of that tweet because a very you know a clever smile on his face there as well and of course we want people to keep tweeting today of course you know the match has been absolutely incredible so far and we want you at home to be very much involved in this experience so we're asking you to send us your selfies show us where you're watching the match from who you're watching the match with and of course you can also send us your move suggestions your thoughts anything funny that comes to mind and you can do all this by tweeting us by using the hashtag c24 live yep definitely go ahead you guys and well david if the match keeps going like what we've seen in the first two days i guess we're in for a lot of entertainment yep a lot of entertainment and it feels like we're edging to water decisive result the first two games despite the fact they were draws they were full of twists and turns and both players clinging on at some point it's not going to be easy for them to kind of maintain that tension to maintain their nerves and uh yeah as we've all mentioned as judith mentioned herself so much entertainment and that is set to continue i can't see any boring games between these guys for the rest of the match all right and that leads me into the predictions challenge that you all can join in of course uh on magnus nepo the prediction challenge it's kind of a world championship match fantasy game where you can challenge your friends and the entire chess community we are all playing how are you guys doing despite david not playing yesterday i'm still in bottom place now well that goes to show how absolutely random it is and also how um well good you have to be with your predictions so i'm taking a little bit of a gamble today i'm predicting that this game is actually going to be shorter than the games we've seen so far so how many moves i've predicted 35 moves that's quite short i think the game is going to finish in a draw and my reasoning for this is because the games so far have been incredibly intense they've been tough and required a lot a lot of endurance so i'm thinking they might take it easy today now this is a gamble on my behalf and i don't think that napoli actually is going to repeat opening with a kingsporn opening yeah what do you think simon what's your predictions for this game who's going to win pretty much your opposite to your banker there i have to say so yeah you're going to be going to go against your banker but um i'm thinking it's going to follow probably the the opening of the first game so we're going to see this e4 e5 stuff i don't think h3 will be played so if any anyone at home can remember this move but i think some kind of anti-marshal and i expect a long game i expect like i'm going to go like i think i said 65 moves something like this and obviously a draw at the end they're going to give it a little go but yeah sounds a lot more thrilling to me you know 35 moves and a win no the draw oh sorry oh i thought you but i put in a win for you on a pony at you with the white pieces and he looked fierce yesterday how about you david oh i'm boring i went for the draw as well i was about to choose your suggestion uh kai actually i said napomnechi might win the first game in the prediction challenge and today i was close to saying that as well because he has the white pieces because he's itching to win but uh draw roy lopez 42 moves that's my project i'm going to beat you guys if viana pognancy wednesday i'm going to score 10 points and you guys can of course also join in the predictions challenge so you will have some time to put your predictions for game three and now because we're gonna have a short commercial break we'll 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playable anytime anywhere get the magnus trainer available in the app store and google play [Applause] is here arriving the arena in dubai ready for game three he's gonna have the white pieces he did impress everyone yesterday with some fantastic moves and the question is what does he and his coach vladimir potkin have up their sleeve for game three today with the white pieces jana pogniacci he is 31 years old playing his very first world championship match he did learn chess at the age of four and here he is looking sharp and ready for game three in dubai in the world championship match can he score his first win in the match as mentioned he did learn chess at the age of four and he was what some people would call one of those child prodigies not only in chess also when it came to several subjects in school we have been to brienne's where jan was born and where he grew up and we have talked to some people that knew him growing up i was born in soviet union yes still soviet union in brian it's about 400 kilometers southwest from moscow now we are in the english classroom where young learnt english he was a very curious boy with big brown very expressive eyes full of curiosity and a lot of questions i think i was pretty usual child i didn't really like to study yeah i would prefer you know some video games some simple like dandy or sega and of course like some football and some other active games with friends he was very serious kid so very nice looking he was very stubborn i should say and he liked fighting with guys so he had lots of problems i think he was a bit different because he was a bit smaller because he joined school quite early but it was quite clear from the very beginning that he's very talented as he was very little he usually sat on his knees sometimes i could see him emoji himself into his world of chess and forgot about everything he worked hardest i ever met regarding chess i would say i'm not sure he gave up something but of course he had much less free time than we used to have during english class he was asked a question about his favorite flower as usual children say rose lily but young asked me how it will be in english syrian and i suddenly forgot it in english and i saw a smile on his face it was his victory over me he could combine playing chess with great success in all subjects he took part in olympia of different levels in math in russian and he always became the winner i remember that both of us had serious problems with painting teachers we had always clear thing that he would have the gold medal but he could lose it because of the painting i definitely think that he's not strict he's very kind-hearted he's very emotional he is always ready to you know to give more than to take and that's quality of champion i'm sure he left school at the age of 16. and i think that it was the happiest day in his day here i could uh show you this photo ryan is smiling during his last school day because now he can emerge himself and devote himself entirely to chairs [Music] janna pomnyacci grew up in briansk and his teacher and friends still big fans of him and uh we mentioned he definitely was a child prodigy in chess and i understand tanya that you're also standing with what we should call a chess prodigy hello to everyone from dubai cair right about that i do have a special guest with me now today is a very special day here at the dubai expo at the world championship match it is the final game before the first rest day and that means different dynamics come into play with the opening approach the players are going to have now in these matches it's really often about finding out what the opposing team has prepared what is their core opening and with one white one black both these teams have figured that out so what is it going to be is it going to be a safety first approach going into the rest day or will we see the same entertaining chess that we've been seeing in game one and game two to take us through more of that i've got with me the second youngest grandmaster in history a rising star in the chess world gokesh welcome welcome hi hi gakesh now you are here participating in the world school tournament it's your first time at a world championship match how's the experience actually i've been in chennai 2013 but not not very close and just just one day i went there and yeah this is my second time we know you've been playing a tournament here but you've also been following game one and game two what do you think about the excitement that we witnessed yeah both these games i mean even even if even though it is the start it has been really exciting and in both games i think both players had winning chances um but okay it was it was well played by both and i think two draws is fine but the game's very extremely exciting absolutely and what do you think is going to happen today i mean we've got we've got the rest day coming up yan starts with the white pieces are we going to see a marshall auntie marshall what's your prediction i would probably say some anti marshal though i would i think h3 my anti marshal is not very likely but and it might be some other anti-martial or he might even try to um play d one dot d4 to see what magnus has prepared there um because the next day is rest day so um i don't know but i would say anti martial and uh if it is an anti-martial now magnus is knight a5 in game one he got a good position do you think magnus would mix it up i'm not very sure um he might repeat it because it was quite convincing i think and um though i mean bishop b7 and d6 are all also possible maybe d6 he won't play but bishop b7 is uh is possible so yeah although i don't think h3 anti-martial is very likely yeah okay i've got to ask you now of course uh you're one of the rising stars of chess you follow their games very closely as a top-level grandmaster yourself what do you think is magnus's big strength and yan's big strength um jan's big strength has always been his aggressive style and also his time management it's i mean sometimes he plays simple subjects but i think i mean he has managed it now and candidates he was also very solid and practical so yeah and magnus's strength i mean it always he had too many yeah awesome and finally tell us what it's like to be in dubai here uh you're part of team polgar that won the challenges chess store how's the experience been so far yeah it's very nice to be here in dubai i'm i'm enjoying playing the world school event also yeah it's it's really nice to be here thank you so much gukesh for that thank you so there we have it gakesh predicting that we might have a repeat by magnus but the h3 line that we saw that yan played 95 ideas who knows what's going to happen i'm going to go with one e4 by yan and we'll see how it progresses back to you guys in the studio all right thank you tanya and uh the game starts in seven minutes game three so let's see what the players come up with in the opening good cash there only 15. he's 15 now he became a grandmaster at 12 years old the third youngest in history after uh emmanuel mishra and sergey karjakin so a phenomenal talent i've played it myself he's going to go far wow yeah and we did mention a chess prodigy jana pomnyacci also seemed to be a chess prodigy excellent quite young only four years old you're born in the same year david both you yan and magnus when when do you remember meeting y'all for the first time i remember greece in the year 2000 we were both about 9 years old 10 years old and we actually played in the european under 10 championship and i just remember this cute little smiley kid he would always bring a notebook with him to every game with handwritten chess moves in them and he would sit on that notebook for luck during each game and our first encounter was a draw and he won the gold medal i got the silver and i don't know i we got on really really well and uh you could tell even back in those days he was so determined so stubborn and uh that helped his chest i think he was so focused on the chest just like his school teachers said so yeah big talent when he was young what is jan known for simon and the chess world his styles or what what is he known for um well generally he's a very aggressive player um so we kind of seen that a bit i think in the second game he missed his chance there and i'd like to see him in this game i mean i did say he'd probably gonna go e4 but i'd love to see him push that d pawn and just go for something a little bit more unbalanced and a little bit more um put some pressure on magnus the danger i'm thinking though is that it's the day before the rest day you lose this game and you're going to be quite scared you know you go into the rest day you have to think about it and that's a major major problem so will they want to risk that or come out fresh and try after the rest day but i hope it's d4 but i'm expecting the king's pawn to be pushed all right well it's interesting you said that because i've been told that magnus has now also arrived the arena in dubai like yesterday spending five to ten minutes in his car together with peter heine nelson before leaving so what would it sound so strange david wouldn't they have planned everything before this yeah you would have thought so maybe peter heiner nielsen magnus's coach and uh and his charge maybe they're just discussing openings maybe it's just a motivational chat maybe they're just meditating together who knows but uh either way there we see another good friend another magnus just helping him with some bags and yeah um strange maybe magnus just calming those last minute nerfs emerging now with a smile on his face look at that after 10 minutes in the car with his coach peter ryan and nelson coming out with a black suit playing with the black pieces today and a big smile on his face and you talk about the draining simon that it is the day before the rest day but is this also ivanka a good possibility for magnus because i he he is saying that he is you know maybe last longer than jana pomnyacci that he is you know yeah this is physically trained that this could be a game for him to go for the kill right this could be a critical game for him to strike and especially when you consider what's happened in game one and two both games emotionally very draining very very complex positions they've had to use a lot of brain power and we've kind of traditionally thought that you know magnus is the fit you know physically fit guy you know and he's the one who's able to string on the games for hours and hours on end so it might be the right time to pounce um but it could also be a situation where the players just think hang on you know it's been an intense start let's just take a rest and wait and see and take the action in game four how would you balance it david so uh going into the rest day with a loss if you push too hard devastating or you know the other player may be a little drained maybe it is the possibility to go for a win uh you know me kaya i just like my long games i just like sitting at the board and playing and i think the players they need to get all the thoughts of future games out of their mind they need to take it game by game in general in world championship matches that's the key so just pour everything into this game they can chill tomorrow they can reassess tomorrow or recover from that defeat tomorrow but i think just focus on today and magnus he was smiling he was looking in a relaxed mood and he will arrive at the board soon meanwhile the pontiac waiting for him it's going to be so exciting to see what yana pognati in his second game with the white pieces brings to the board today will it be the same that he did in game one that is what simon is predicting something of the same we did say however that magnus was maybe the winner of the opening stage in game one yeah on paper it was a roughly equal position but magnus got his type his style of position and uh he also got in maybe the first small surprise and handshake they're getting ready to go all right what will it be and is it we see maurice actually in the background grandmaster himself will he make the first move or is he here just to announce the beginning of it where he's also the person who leads the press conferences in dubai incredible uh usually there is a guest making the ceremonial first move we'll see whether that happens today the players aren't obliged to stick to that first move of course g for ginger if you really want to shake things up a little bit and actually that's one thing that we very rarely see in world championship matches are surprises on the first move uh usually players are very strictly sticking to one e4 or one d4 i do remember one surprise though and that was uh vishy anand against gary kasparov where he played the scandinavian on move one ooh and what first move would that be that would have been uh it would have been to a response to the king's pawn opening it would have been actually picking up the queen's pawn and moving at two squares directly challenging the pawn don't often see that move at all so that's not your bet today then uh gary won i think yep but uh anand had a great position though for scandinavian yeah well the guests the special guests are arriving and both players seem to not focus on that they seem to be deep into thought and the special guest will make the first move let's see if that's what y'all wants to go for or if it's going to take the piece back okay one d4 has been played by the guest will we see nepal actually retract that move taking it back taking it back he's not letting it stand e4 clocks are starting and we're going to see what opening janopomona she brings to the table in game three here we go hey he's pushed e4 he's going e4 oh okay he's pushed his king's pawn yes he has indeed and magnus reacts in kind also pushing his kingsporn we're heading in the same path as game one simon my prediction might have been correct i know you wanted to see d4 but uh yeah i'm a little bit upset i have to say because uh the marshall kind of things well you know these guys are analyze those positions so well that it's quite likely you know they're gonna get to a position which is just uh could could be drawn out okay um so we'll see anyway after knight c6 he's paused on move three so she's gonna come out yeah yeah it has okay well it should be five there goes my prediction challenge yeah complete replica so far of the game uh on day one it's the spanish i was wondering whether there might be an italian white developing the bishop to a different square that is really topical really popular right now but still the players playing quickly and copying their first game so uh black bringing the night out white castling the king will we see magnus repeat the opening we mentioned that maybe he was quite successful there if so he does continue he brings his bishop out one square and in that last game jan apology slid his rook across he's doing the same again okay so we're still in game one still in game one who's gonna blink first who's going to be coming up with those new moves those new ideas who's gonna get the first surprise in that is the key right now still copying game one white bishop has been attacked it has to retreat and uh in that game magnus now castled as black he castled his king he's done it again uh look at magnus body language not so energetic right now but he knows that this was predictable he knows that uh he's done this all before he's seen it all before okay and uh janna ponnecchi this is actually the key moment that simon mentioned last time he picked up his pawn on the other side of the wall he's h-porn it's the first new move of the world championship match he's played an anti-martial but it's a different anti-marshal he's pushed a pawn on the other side okay the queen side and uh still very popular move but magnus slightly frowning and pausing and it seems yana pomniacci leaving the board here he's expecting magnus now to take the pause and think about what to do next yep uh magnus won't be that surprised by this move magnus has had this position probably hundreds of times before with both white and with black but it wasn't what napoli actually employed last time so um here i'm expecting magnus to think for maybe one or two minutes i think napoli actually are also expecting that and once magnus replies he'll get back to the board here black has a few options he can push the black b pawn forward the black pawn has just been attacked by white pawn i can push it forward one square he can develop his bishop this is the older move this is the more classical move he could also have moved to rook uh daniel dubov a very famous russian player has also employed a very uh ambitious pawn sacrifice in that position but no magnus just developing his bishop protecting the black rook in that top corner just in case there is a set of pawn trades and uh yeah relatively standard stuff so far what is the name of this opening then it's still the anti-marshal okay the anti-marshal which is a branch of the royal lopez from the spanish opening so roy lopez is uh the the big the name of the big thing big opening yeah winning prediction today or lopez yeah so david have you had this position many times yourself bishop b7 seems like a normal move there yes yeah um i've got fond memories of this position from the black side actually i made one of my grandmaster norms by winning a game with the black pieces in this exact position in a final round and i also in the london chess classic in the first london chess classic i managed to beat nihua a very strong chinese player uh with the black pieces uh in this position in order to come third behind carlson and kramnik actually so i guess we can uh sort of say it's going to be quite a long maneuvering game after this opening um both sides just no exchanges anytime so pieces around and playing this so uh yeah but pretty equal this opening so far okay pretty equal but uh both sides will have their ideas so yeah each player just pushing a pawn in the center just solidifying their structure simon have you had much experience in either side of these not at all no i normally always go uh push my pawn to f4 remove two which is done against me i have done it against you yeah yeah i mean actually interestingly yan did a chess ball course on the on the king's gambit which is an opening where you give up a pawn on the second move but at this level um what made yesterday's game so surprising was the fact that you know there was lots of sacrifices the pawn exchange from magnus but generally you can't get away with sacrificing pawns earlier on you know in in world championship games so standard maneuvering here both sides just getting their pieces to to decent squares to start the game yeah uh i mean i love attacking kind of romantic openings like the king's gambit but just too much risk involved high reward but also high risk and especially in an early stage it makes sense to go back to this type of maneuvering quieter opening and what do you think of uh janna pomnyacci's choice you know this is very much following all the main ideas of this position i mean is there any scope for surprises in this or is it kind of like well-trodden paths and maybe maybe the position might just fizzle out yeah i think the surprises will come a bit later on both sides for sure would have analyzed this position and it's not actually about memorizing exact variations long uh forcing lines it's more about where to put the pieces about the long-term plan so if napoleon actually and carson they've both studied this position i wouldn't have been surprised if they played training games for example against their coaches just to see okay i'm comfortable with my pieces on this side of the board or this is my plan over the next 10 15 moves and despite the fact magnus is thinking he's just maybe just trying to recall how he felt most comfortable placing his pieces so no surprises yet i don't see this one fizzling out anytime soon i think this will be a long game as simon mentioned yeah and i'm just checking actually i'm searching this position on g chess and i have to say i have to say you know ghs is quite unusual and that's the first ever website where you can just put up a position and you can search that position over chess databases chess articles even youtube and of course chessable as well and here i'm just seeing that there's a lot of articles on this particular move you know and they're telling me right now that kasparov prepared this move for his 1993 encounter with nigel short and that was also another world championship match and uh lots of information here apparently the old main line has actually developed the night to a different location and everyone everyone used to do that uh so all the hot stuff right now it's the place to be it is yeah ivanka so maybe talk us through you mentioned that developing the knight to a different square is the main line this one was the old main line old main line sorry this would have put more pressure on this pawn this is where i have more experience as well but white uh napoli actually may be with a small surprise not choosing the most active square choosing maybe a slightly more passive square for now but he wants to re-route his knight towards the king side ah so all the action will be on the king's side that's right actually in this opening the most common plan for example if black makes a move is to park the knight next to its fellow here again if black makes a move and these two knights together they're great defenders but they can be great attackers as well later on yeah very tense position there was a lot of chat yesterday about potentially who the seconds could be for the players and i'm guessing the way they play the openings like playing this knight out in front of the queen knight to d2 you have to ask to do any of the seconds likely maybe sergey karakin i know he played a lot of positions like this could he be helping you know obviously played magnus for the world championships as well but he liked this kind of slow maneuvering idea and he tried this in that world championship match against magnus carson which of course ended in a number of draws but it's kind of i still think this this staged world championships a bit of a sparring match they haven't really got involved yesterday they did get involved but they're still trying to suss each other out with their openings and 92 is yeah it's it's maybe slightly well not slightly peculiar but it's a different path to the main line and uh well sergey kirakin has posted on social media from dubai so he has at least been there maybe he's still there and uh also talking about this opening every day chessable makes a free course available on the opening of today uh and today's course is young gustav sons e5 for black and you can check it out on the link in the bottom of the screen so while these players are playing out this game you can dig deeper into the same kind of opening on chasebo so have two screens open watch this watch the game unfold and also dig deeper into the position yeah i mean that's a huge opportunity to learn from a world-class grandmaster like jan gustafsson famous commentator but also someone who has worked with magnus carson in the past it's rumored he might be part of the team now nobody knows but jan gustafsson he's one of the biggest experts on this opening from the black side and simon mentioned sergey karyakin who has experience on both sides of this type of position as well um also for example peter lecko who helped janna panetchi in the candidates match uh earlier this year he's a big expert from the black side and uh yeah lots of names come to mind but younger stuff since course there i think i think peter is is a second doesn't he for uh i believe for yan um but it's very likely right i think i was doing commentary on one of the events that you guys are doing and uh peter was saying he was unavailable i think it's very likely that peter has a second for yan during his match which uh which i don't know he's a good second to have he's a great theoretical player so kind of guy you want behind you i mean i think it's interesting i think magnus and his team tends to go for seconds who he gets on well with maybe more than just picking the best kind of the best players in those openings he wants someone who he likes because they spend a lot of time together probably in training camps that's right yeah and just to get good vibes of them to feel good but maybe jan is picking players i don't know he probably likes them as well but he's picking players an expert in those openings so it's slightly different approaches i guess with who you're getting behind you as a team and the team is so important i feel like um i mean david you nearly qualified for the candidates recently i don't bring it up again too much but uh it was it was great to see we're all cheering for you and if you were if you got to the candidates would you i mean what would be your approach would you would you like a second do you like working your own i mean do you think it's important to have someone who's an expert in the openings or someone who can maybe help you a little bit yeah just emotionally i would love to kind of have that team around me just to kind of take the burden off in terms of doing the work to keep those good vibes going to feed you with new ideas you always need some kind of inspiration at this top level you can't just keep doing the same thing over and over again so yeah i would have loved to have found some seconds i'm not sure who i would have asked or um who i would have found but apart from this guy apart from simon actually i was thinking a few years ago that you'd be the dream second for me just because sometimes i kind of get in a bit of a funk and i i lose a bit of creativity and just to feed the ideas but just very kind yeah i'm not just saying that as well i was thinking genuinely and uh on the other side i've been lucky enough to be a second for a couple of top players and uh just get a bit of insight into their regime and how things work and yeah it's intense uh once the chest starts so that's why magnus i think wants those people around here that he gets on with yeah what about you that's good we just saw a move there from magnus carlsen and i just kind of wanted to point out that this is not the main move in this position and actually just checking the database i can see is like the fifth most popular move so magnus carlsen doing what magnus carlsen does best which is choosing those sidelines which the opponent might not necessarily has have studied and uh okay the main the best actually the most popular move was actually to attack the bishop with the knight i put it on the a5 square but uh magnus says no he wants a lot more flexibility in the position so he's decided just to move the rook and uh now my uh jana palmierche has taken a pause and i can tell you that the most popular move after that rogue move is actually just to move the knight away from its d2 square and that's it as david highlighted before just relocate the knight to f1 and then move it on to greener pastures yeah so very thematic stuff so far the players will be familiar with these patterns these ideas it's just uh they will be deciding which order and which to use them and uh there's maybe one thing you and napolita is also considering because black's rook move has weakened the defense of a square weakened the defense of a pawn this pawn now is only defended by the black king it is tied up by the white bishop so possibly you could consider jumping forward with this knight and causing a double attack and uh this would cause a big question to magnus would he be forced to repeat and uh retreat his rook back to where it came from to defend this important pawn or would he be able to push a pawn forward and block this bishop's diagonal this would lead to a lot of crazy complications uh and uh maybe janna pogba actually having been surprised by magnus's last move only the fifth most popular choice this rook move maybe he's thinking okay do i react just simply and calmly by retreating my knight or do i get aggressive and try and punish him for playing a move i haven't looked at before and uh what do we think guys is that too ambitious is that uh this knight jump it would be on my radar but i'm not sure i would be brave enough to go for it well it has it has good stats in its favor yeah exactly well only three games is a very small pool but uh three games and uh three victories for white oh wow that's 100 yeah it is it would kind of beg the question right and say to magnus hey do you want to repeat the position three times or do you want to take risks this this seems to be like one of magnus's ideas especially in the first two games he played this knight a5 move and yesterday he played this knight e5 move he's the he's seems to be the first person to play something a little bit unusual in his previous games and as this is the the fifth choice he's doing that again and i i generally think that's a very clever idea if you get the first slight surprising just to just to draw your opponent out of what they're they're used to playing uh okay we see we see another move here david uh well i'm sure this is a move you played many times in this position as well knight to f1 did you play this position frankie you're more d4 player is that right yeah i i never liked these type of positions i did try around about 2007 2008 to play these kind of positions but there was too many pieces on the board and too much tension and not enough clear pawn breaks for me so i decided nope not for me switched to playing the 1d4 yeah actually it's a bit like yesterday um completely different opening of course but there weren't that many trades there weren't that many exchanges of pieces at least yesterday for the first 20 or so moves and it looks like we're heading in that direction again today just maneuvering and um it's all about planning here it's not about tactics it's not about any dynamism it's pure planning and strategic play and that's why maybe i was always attracted to these types of openings when i was kind of progressing through the ranks but it also means they're extremely difficult to handle if you go for the wrong plan things might get tricky for you yeah it's all about timing as well i remember the very first train i had you know when he tried to explain to me these type of positions he just said it's about timing you want to catch your opponent on the wrong foot and but again patience is the key there and i do have a question from paul on twitter who says that they heard that the players can see a computer screen view off the board in the player's lounge when they step away from the board what are your views on this especially when it's an over-the-board championship that's interesting i think it's just commonplace it's kind of normal nowadays to have a board it's usually for spectators of course so that they can see uh see what's going on but for the players it's i mean it's strange looking at a board compared to looking at the screen is completely different but at the same time maybe nepali napolita that maybe that's why he was away from the board so much yesterday just because he felt more relaxed looking at a computer screen looking at uh i kind of find it a bit weird that you can sit in the chill-out room or you can just look at the electronic i mean it's sort of like you know you just maybe have your banana or sandwich and the other guy's sitting at the board maybe they shouldn't be allowed to have screens back there i i mean it's a different look because you kind of get used to the obviously we play a lot online but you're playing on the board so the adjustment is quite hard but i find it a bit strange i don't know i find it like you know because they don't need to be at the board then and it's like there's maybe more mind games coming into it i mean i can remember one world championships it was uh cram nick versus tapalof and um they had their room behind which they could go to and there's a lot of controversy there where kramnik was going to the room quite a lot and to paul off actually accused him of cheating because he was disappearing so toilet gate it was indeed a toilet gate yeah the toilet gate scandal so uh you know um so it's it's a bit strange to me i mean i i don't know if they should have those screens there personally yeah because you can you can remember the position anyway so um maybe it will encourage them to spend more time in their in their chill-out room yeah so it could be cool as well then they would always have to go and check has he made his move has he made his move now they obviously know on the screen when the move happens and i do wonder what are the kind of rules on chess like whether you you're allowed to be in your lounge when you know that your clock is ticking and yeah because i mean i've i've always just rushed back to my board yeah yeah i mean that's just i mean i mean historically that's usually what we see right so we were very surprised yesterday when pogba actually spent most of the time on his clock in his lounge and when he was ready to make his move when he was finished sort of analyzing and thinking then he came to the board and made the move very strange especially because if he was looking on the screen the screens are always shown from the white side and he had black yesterday so it would have been a bit of a uh how do i say this a bit of a it would have scrambled his mind a bit i could think of a word yeah okay i was going for that one okay yeah it would have scrambled his mind a bit to look on a screen from the white side but mine scrambled sitting at the board it would have been a completely different feeling like ivanka says kind of again it's chess etiquette just general behavior you're not supposed to leave the board if you while it's your move and if he knows it's his move is he obliged to return can he just sit there and chill i think that's that is the weird question because like obviously you know if you sure move at the board and you suddenly get off and walk out the hall it's like what's going on this is really rude i don't even know if it's illegal to do that you're not allowed to do i've had situations where i've been in the okay so we do have a move bishop d2 bishop moves to the d2 square okay so far so good um i can see on the database quite a few games about 20 games so far and a few grand masters have played this position on the black side and one significant name that jumps out of me is uh on the white side gary kasparov against vladislav in a rapid game so we do do we think gary is jan's second oh is that has that potential has has gary done a bit of a skype call over to yann yeah that would be a headline we want it back in russia come on get on the case i'll help you out for a day or two well notoriously uh carlson did work with uh gary caspar so he would know a lot about magnus even if magnus was quite young right when he worked with gary caspar was around 2008 2009 i think okay so it's just while magnus was about to get to world number one i remember i played magnus in 2009 and he used an opening idea against me that he just picked up from gary kasparov a few weeks earlier and oh it was scary to face but but yeah somehow it feels like maybe because kasparov probably isn't in his training camp i don't think so yeah it's gary playing it all now i mean obviously not you know professionally but is he sometimes showing up to some events and playing he's played two tournaments over this year yeah really yeah one of them didn't go so well um it was a rapid blitz event and maybe it was just a bit of rust uh but then the next tournament he played i think it was the uh fischer random the chess 960 and he did very well there actually uh at some point he has he had big chances of winning it ahead of such names as aronian and nakamura yeah yeah he did very very well there so still he's still got it it's just hard to get much fit again yeah but you know he has such an aura that when when he plays chess i always think that he's got a chance of winning the tournament even though i know that he hasn't been a professional player for a long long time i still feel you know what i think he can do it yeah 16 years retired yeah he's still he's still a beast exactly and okay so a position that uh he has played he has played this move diana pognati now made all right what do you think of the position right now david is it too early to call if the players are ambitious today or i think we could definitely say that players are ambitious i mean this whole opening keeping maximum attention by napoli actually it shows he's not trying to guide the game towards a draw or guide it towards anything safe um i mean while all the pieces remain it could go in any direction and it's purely about understanding and okay magnus meanwhile retreating his dark squad bishop out of the way of the black rook very sensible the black bishop there acting as the defender of the black king later on maybe so still very typical stuff but um i just i like the tension i like having all the pawns all the pieces on the board no trades yet and uh can i can i show you the two approaches okay well no probably actually has made a very fast move okay this is the main moving the night again yeah it is pretty much better there was another alternative which would have amped up the tension even more um and it was actually played by gary kasparov himself he didn't actually move the knight to that square instead he chose to pick up the sea pawn and challenge the pawn on b5 by playing c4 so okay that's not so orthodox actually no i know that's something we very rarely see in this opening uh because it does actually block in this bishop and i think the idea is that if black just bypasses this pawn if black locks things up this bishop is a terrible piece i guess the whole concept is to push this pawn forward at some point and try and reopen this bishop it might come at the cost of a pawn but now this bishop will eternally be a strong piece so um very interesting idea from gary caspar of there let's go to janna pontiac's move however he chose to bring his knight to the center first so maybe this idea is still in the air for later uh by kerry kasparov and uh this night i mentioned it going in the other direction but here it does have its eyes on two squares one in the center of the board this uh will stop any potential pawn breaks by black black can never push this pawn forward now the square's covered too many times but also the f5 square we've talked about f5 so many times actually throughout the course of the champions chess tour and knight on f5 will thrive i think that's what kaya came up with and uh yeah normally that piece landing on that square will be the signal for an attack so for example if one can land a knight on the square it's just a launch pad and there will be threats of sacrifices maybe later on maybe white will move the other night out of the way then start bringing the queen into the action and lots of potential scary ideas for magnus to face sometimes you will be strict with the players david when they move their pieces too many times in the openings but is this a good plan for yana pognati even if it will be the fourth move with the knight fourth move with the knight and now magnus moves a piece that's already been developed i think it's fine in this scenario because both sides have castled both sides have moved pretty much all of their pieces once by now especially their minor pieces their bishops and knights and once you've completed development especially if the center is blocked as it is at the moment both sides kind of with nice pawn structures then you do have the luxury of just maneuvering and while the moves are continuing absolutely i've seen the evaluation bar as well i mean i i hate looking at the evaluation bar so much and it this happened yesterday and one thing i would advise actually is to try not to look at it too much sometimes because it just jumps around maybe doesn't catch up but it really jumped there after magnus's night move but that can't be a bad move this is standard stuff right it is the main move and uh now the idea that that we kind of showed earlier that gary kasparov used is now being put into operation it is now maximum tension on that b5 pawn and wow okay now this is interesting because the main response is actually to actually reinforce that pawn and create even more all sorts of suspense and i want to say tension again in that side of the board but uh magnus he chooses something else and he goes for porn taste porn and we kind of sense the pattern actually jana pomnierti has been incredibly well prepared but it looks like magnus has just gone that one move deeper i mean the one thing that amazed me with magnus carlsen i mean we talked about yan following gary kasparov's game here which i'm sure he's aware of as you know magnus very well david it's just magnus's memory is is phenomenal um the one story i can remember was he was playing well i don't think he was playing but he came over to reykjavik and they have this chess pub quiz over in reykjavik and uh there's 20 questions but the questions are the hardest ever chess questions you can get they're incredibly hard and you get all these historians coming over just to do this pub quiz and uh i think the highest score someone's got is like 17 and that's a team of four he came over with hammer so hammertime and he took part in it and apparently hammer's really bad at these quizzes just mainly just magnus doing it and he got 19 and a half out of 20. and it was it was random positions from games played 200 years ago and you had to name the players and name was going on and he just knew it straight away and it's just a phenomenal photographic memory so i'm sure in this position he's well aware of the c4 idea and he has some good ideas about what to do just like jan does yeah and we see magnus there just taking a step away from the board still studying the position though and uh i wouldn't be surprised as you mentioned simon if he's completely familiar with that kasparov game and uh despite the fact both players now they've spent about 10 15 minutes on the clock i think both players have actually looked at this exact position before and uh if not this exact position that at least the same ideas and black has just captured a pawn which way do we think he's going to recapture with white with a knight with a bishop i mean sorry frank i i was just thinking i mean if you take the bishop is that i mean is there ever a d5 move you have to worry about i'm not sure but um if you take with a pawn you might lose the pawn so um i don't know maybe bishop takes us his or knight takes you and knight takes coming to a5 looks like a good plan yeah we could definitely make an argument for two recaptures here i'm expecting white to take back with the knight personally but um taking back with the bishop here for white also very very sensible let's see only two games in the database okay and uh what was the move played there did white recapture that pawn with the bishop we're about to find out what napoleon she's going to do with the knights they they captured the title or the bishop it didn't really matter okay certain knight captures the pawn okay so white tonight you mentioned it kaya it's moved so many times let's count one two three four times now this knight has moved but is the aim still to get to the f5 thriving square or is that plan now off the board i think that plan for now is off the board because magnus actually very cleverly retreated the black knight to cover that important f5 square so black's knight now the one sitting in front of the black rock on e7 that yeah that piece was doing a purely defensive job and it persuaded napoli actually to go away from his plan and that's why the top players are so good they're flexible if they go for one plan if it's stopped then they'll switch to a different plan and probably actually instead of going for the black king that we mentioned maybe is one potential idea he's going instead for the other side of the board so do you think because you mentioned ivanka that getting to that f5 square with the night for jana pomnyacci uh had a very good score three games yep three wins yeah will magnus have been aware of that and then made his plan to make sure janupomona is not able to go to that square um yeah i think magnus chose that particular move order because i think he wanted to play those mind games again with janna pomney actually does napomni actually just tried to repeat the position or not and uh you know take the risk that maybe things get very very sharp very quickly and now the game is kind of taking a different turn it's about maneuvering the pieces again getting ready to put your pieces on ideal squares and of course getting ready to open up the position it's all about the nights it is all about the nights yeah they're doing a merry dance right now he's moved the night again so uh back to where it came from just a few moves ago interesting and very surprised david yeah i mean i i'm slightly just well i'm surprised but also impressed that magnus has clearly studied this position beforehand even though i mean it's so rare i mean ivanka mentioned it's only been played once before this position up until now it's never been played this last move was the first new one right first move i can tell you it has been studied someone came in october 27 2021 and checked out this position and there they actually analyzed whites moving the rook to the c1 square to the open line and uh did anything else happen after that let's have a look october 2021 you said yeah yeah october 27th so just a few which is last month peter heiner nielsen i'll and it was on the clouds that information was available yeah well because usually you make yourself anonymous so that people cannot see it some someone forgot it then it could be the problem is you can't check what other people have analyzed without allowing your information of what you're analyzing out there as well so it's a bit of a double-edged sword yeah and uh okay i mean this is modern chests for you i mean clearly these are some of the top computer moves and that's why it's been analyzed uh maybe we can just do a bit of a dive into why magnus has been moving his knight around so much uh we saw in this position simon was saying maybe the white bishop can capture this pawn instead the white knight took and the white knight now maybe wants to head actually to the edge of the board not something we normally recommend but it would harass this bishop and this white uh this light squad bishop would have to retreat this is actually one of magnus's most important pieces he cannot let it for bishops in this type of position as things are about to become open are very important that's why magnus brought his knight back uh back to where it came from it was only here what three moves ago and now he stopped the white knight from going to this square that would just end in a trade if white were to bring his knight to the side of the board we'd see a trade i don't think this is going to help napoliyachi too much and i guess the other idea behind magnus's knight move as well as covering this square is to cover the central square to stop white pushing in the center and opening things up while black isn't ready so very strange losing time magnus with this knight but he has provoked napoliyachi into showing his hand into kind of revealing his plan and ivanka mentioned now this is the move that was studied by that mysterious anonymous person online was it peter heiner nielsen or was it vladimir potkin uh whose coach was it uh that has studied this rook move it's very natural actually just it's a semi-open line you can have some targets here for the white rook yeah i mean they had to exchange your pawns as well i'm just wondering um if this favored anyone so you have the open file for the seabrook maybe maybe magnus can try to get something on the b file here i think whenever you have an exchange of pawns whenever the structure changes it's a good idea to take another look at the position and see what the positives and negatives are so you know it seems easier for white to play this to my eyes because that knight on c6 could be a bit clumsy so black should be looking for some counter play somehow and i'm just trying to work out where that's going to come from maybe rook b8 uh d5 is a move you always want to try but i don't know if d5 is maybe just not working in this position here because you drop the pawn next to it if you if you push on so it's uh should i tell you what was studied in october 27th yeah i considered it i can see so so what was studied there is that the root came to that line and the main move that they had considered was actually pushing the a pawn one square forward just to secure the b4 square and then white played bishop going to c3 just to support a pawn push and then okay so bishop retreats back i don't know why mysterious to me this way yep back back to its home square and then really deep i know and then finally yes yeah and then white finally pushed the pawn forward in the center and uh then that's how capture was analyzed so what do you think wow that's a lot of them do you think this is someone having fun or do you think this is like serious moves they look like serious moves to me um i think just the fact that you're analyzing this position rather than some crazy kings gambit means that you're you're you're doing it more for work than fun you know this is not something you're probably gonna do if you're playing like you know joe blogs in the weekend tournament down in bournemouth or something this is this is world championships level i think so okay i think this could be serious analysis yeah quite possibly and just the fact maybe that jan is now taking his time maybe it was from magnus's team you know let's see so possibly yeah yeah i mean if it was one of the annapolis coaches who was analyzing this position looking at this rook move then maybe he passed on that knowledge but maybe the conclusion was unclear because we're already at move 16 now that's quite deep uh remember especially because magnus played only the fifth most popular choice a few turns ago uh there's no way that janna pogba actually could have gone even further i think than the next couple of moves in his analysis and if it wasn't magnus carson's team then i think he'll be ready with ideas such as that bishop retreat you mentioned ivanka rerouting that black light squad bishop that one for me that's i mean that's not even grandmaster move that's kind of uh silicon valley move where the top computers he's played rook c1 as well so okay so if you place a5 now instantly is team team magnus on on the cloud yeah so this is what we're thinking that's a good point simon pushes that pawn yeah for sure it was magnus's it must be would he play it quickly okay if he sits down and bangs out a5 or will he like hollywood a little bit i mean i guess you've both been in a situation like i i know i have myself you prepared a novelty and you're able to get it in so a new idea on the board um which happens quite rarely but you know it's a strong idea but rather than playing it quickly there is a bit of psychology so you want to you don't want to show your opponent you've had this prepared so you kind of sit there you're really eager to play that move and they'd say you should sit on your hands when you're a kid so you you don't go rushing around your hands but you sit in your hands you think you know it's a good move but you're just like i'm going to let them think that i've only just worked this out just to get that little mind game so i don't know if that happens at this level i mean is that just me or do you guys ever have that same kind of slight mind game when you have a new idea yeah all the time actually there's two different approaches uh one of them is the one you mentioned simon where you just play calm you pretend you don't know what's going on but secretly you do and you know a lot more details the other approach is to scare your opponent and a lot of top players do this nakamura does this adi ban does this uh from my experience they just bang down the move and they just hope that their opponents are terrified by their confidence ah so uh two different approaches i think and yeah but we really are now looking for that pawn move from magnus if he plays that move he's going to be in preparation and we know that they've been on the cloud they've accidentally made that information public that'd be a bit of a mistake though if they made it public don't you think i mean if you can uh well well the thing is though i mean this position is quite uh it's quite quite rare right so it's not necessarily kind of clear that anyone would know that there was it was them and it's only when we get to this position we're like aha yeah so that's who it was and uh just out of curiosity as well i've just checked sassy which is of course this norwegian supercomputer which uh it's basically stockfish but super powered with high level processes and he does say that that move is best okay i mean come on this is high level stuff in the world championships already after 16 moves in game three we have a super interesting and tense moment well magnus carlsen play the pawn to a five i i'm not sure that would be on my radar to be honest because black's pawn on the the a pawn if it it is isolated if it does push forward black's pieces will be tied down defending it for several moves so you're basically yes you're taking control of some important squares but you're also weakening your own pawn so it's not human instinct necessarily of course magnus is strong enough to make a decision like that and evaluate it correctly even if he doesn't know the position but if he does know the position then and obviously what is the point with it it's just to take i think it's to stop white pushing his pawns forward and gaining space um let's maybe do a deeper dive just to check it out one more time because i think there are two ideas that magnus might need to find if he wants to hold the balance firstly it is pushing this pawn forward and as i mentioned now white does have two pieces attacking this isolated pawn which can't be held on to by other black pawns but it does tie down the black pieces and the idea i guess is to control this square so that means that if white forever to for example retreat a bishop he could never ever push his pawn forward it would simply be captured and also if you delay it too long as black if you kind of just make a random move on the other side then maybe white wants to push his pawn to this square and this would open up another nice diagonal for white's bishop so maybe it's just a kind of a move to stop the opponent's plans just as much as to kind of do anything yourself i'm wondering if black does push a5 i mean obviously this is something they may have analyzed if uh that pawn as you mentioned is very weak do you have time to play something kind of ridiculous i don't think you do uh because of bishop c8 rook b8 but i'd like to play rookie two and queen e1 but that's incredibly slow because you get your probably bishop c8 is a very good response but this pawn you've pointed out on a5 is is a real weakness and uh you can't defend that pawn in a lot of lines but sneaky actually that's clever yeah obviously here black has many ways to get counter played bishop g4 uh being one rugby eight being another idea but you you must watch out for that pawn on a5 so maybe it's not a very human move to play pawn to a5 as you said because you uh put your black pawn under attack um so i don't know if he'll find that move or not really here yeah not easy it's i mean he's looking up now and normally that's magnus carlsen's kind of remembering face where he's just trying to recall what he studied before maybe when he recalls it yeah oh that was it maybe he's just thinking oh a5 i've seen that somewhere what was the evaluation what did my coach say about that uh yeah it feels like maybe he's semi-aware that he has discussed this position before but maybe he doesn't know all of the exact details yeah i mean there's so many variations so much information exactly i mean you i think magnus from his reaction i don't think he remembers that with every little detail and maybe he doesn't remember the move that he should be playing here and just now is on his own and is going to maybe make another move but okay if if it is like that he doesn't quite remember but he goes through the options maybe that that he thinks are good options and then he comes maybe to this porn move would it be like oh wait ah we did study that we did look at that that was a good move yeah i think exactly sometimes you just get there by process of elimination or you kind of reverse engineer your own thinking and um yeah i mean simon's mentioned his memory his phenomenal memory magnus and um of course there's a huge amount of data to absorb before any world championship match you need to cover every single opening pretty much in chess but it's somewhere in his memory banks and uh maybe he's doing a sherlock holmes just going into his mind palace right now he's clearly not looking at the board so he's not really looking or kind of calculating variations he's just trying to go into recall mode yeah do you think these players like magnus i mean i remember anish geary was saying when he prepares for uh the candidates obviously another world-class player and tweeter and when he goes into the candidates he he has to go over all the variations of his laptop to maybe get it from long-term memory into short-term memory because a lot of these things they're there but you might look to them two years ago so can you actually remember the board do you think someone like magnus is capable of doing that i mean you're talking of hundreds hundreds of thousands of lines probably uh that go very deeply it's uh i i guess getting into short-term memory looking at them is something quite important you know yeah yesterday we talked here in the studio about chess being a bit like uh chess matches like this being a bit like exams right even if you know everything you need to revise just beforehand yeah just to turn it into that short-term memory and uh yeah i mean i've been there when magnus has been just kind of clicking through some buttons and just he can absorb it very quickly or he can recall very quickly but if it has been two years since he looked at it then it's uh not easy for anyone not two years october 27th yeah that wasn't him yeah and yeah one thing i was going to say is that you do have to be very careful when you're trying to absorb the chest variations i mean i the best tip that i can give is for everyone just to put it up on a board put up the put up the position that you want to memorize on a board and then you can kind of get a feeling for how the position is maybe the sense of danger of the human moves as well i be very careful with just opening up a chess program and just going with the space and then you're like i got that one in reality there's been no absorption whatsoever because you haven't put the hard graft into it it's been the computer that's generated these moves and you've just gone yes oh and look at mine i totally agree with you there i mean i know so many players who are i don't know let's say 1400 strength and they rely on their computer as much as they can i mean one story i was playing in vienna with another grand master and we had someone joining us who was 1400 strength and after the games he would uh we'd go and have a glass of wine maybe look at his game uh but he'd like to he preferred to look at the game on his phone with the weak fritz so we suggested moving he'd be like no no no no the computer says minus 0.2 to that you're wrong you're wrong and it's like oh dear and after about an hour that it's like oh just let's just go and have a wine somewhere else none of that please so it's really easy to get lazy you just look at the phone but you're not really understanding why these moves are being suggested and you have to understand the reasoning behind the moves that's something that computers just just can't tell you they can't tell you the why so uh it's so important to understand why is rook c1 for example a good move or or something else yeah well magnus here still in deep thought will he make this uh a5 move with his pawn we're going to head down to tanya standing with a lot of great chess waves what do you think tanya will magnus make this a5 move we're gonna find out but the one thing that's very clear is that this is going to be a long strategic fight quite different from the action that we've been witnessing in game one and game two uh and for more on that for more insights about the kind of chess we're seeing today going into the rest day tomorrow i've got with me grandmaster maurice ashley maurice thank you for joining us thank you so much for having me tanya maurice first impressions about the position that we have on the board right now i love it it's playing into the same kind of strategy actually that they've had so far atypical positions you don't see this kind of rue lopez every single day this plan of c4 taking on c4 knight c4 the pawn structure is atypical that is what we're seeing and that puts magnus sort of on his back foot because he's not able to just play relaxed moves let me do this let me do that i know all this no he's got to think he's a unique position that jana has prepared i like this kind of chess i have to ask you now maurice this is magnus's second black he's had two blacks he's gone for the marshall he's made it clear andy marshall by yan here first he played h3 then he's gone for a4 now one of the players is of course known for anti-martial where he won a big game peter lecko peter beat kramnik in a very very important game in the martial magnus giving it away that his main prep against e4 is the marshall what do you think about that well magnus is magnus he can do what he wants he doesn't care about peter lako he doesn't care about vladimir kramnik fischer kasparov his name is magnus carlson because he knows everything he is comfortable playing any position we've seen him play openings the dragon he'll just toss it out there because he feels like it his understanding is so deep that any position he's in he feels like he's like a cat you throw him out a window he's gonna flip and land on his feet awesome now maurice of course you're a grandmaster you're a pro commentator and i have to ask you i worked with you in st louis as well you have a great understanding of players their style the last two games that we've seen uh what's the message that the challenger has sent across to the world champion what i'm hearing not only in the games but from jan himself is that i'm not afraid i don't care that this is a world championship i'm playing against magnus carlsen that's the point of this exercise so he somehow has blocked out all the noise all the distractions any question where we try to pull it out are you afraid are you are you nervous if you're uncomfortable now he's like i'm playing chess i'm nerves are gone that's done we're making moves and i think that magnus now knows that he faces a relaxed opponent a determined opponent and that all jan and his entire team is thinking about is crushing him that's all they want they want to win this match and yan right now looks like joe cool magnus knows he's got a fight on his hands oh well there is only one thing to fight for in this event and that is the world championship title jan nabinachi making his intention very clear playing fearless chess another big battle ahead of us back to you guys in the studio thanks so much tanya oh it's so interesting to hear from the people as close to the action in dubai right now magnus carlson in a deep think right now thinking for 12 minutes on this next move we are only move 16. okay he's making move will the move come out what do you think david how long will magnus carlsen stay on this move yeah this is a tricky one to call uh magnus now he's been thinking for 12 minutes just by his changing body language it shows he's not quite ready to make a decision yet and it is a big big moment because if he doesn't find this pawn move maybe white will use that square for his own pawn or use it for his own night and uh somehow it feels like black is going to struggle for space struggle for activity struggle for control if he doesn't find it so um for me of course i would be spending 30 40 minutes but i do have a feeling magnus will also invest quite a lot of time i wouldn't be surprised if he thinks for another 10 minutes or so before uh either pushing that pawn or maybe sliding his rook across and oh here comes okay of course he's played it played it magnus carlsen has played his pawn to e5 that means he's in preparation and is following some uh fantastic calculations that he's probably made with his team yeah that's what we're speculating yes he's following the analysis that i have here on my computer that was studied in october 27th so uh okay that was last month and we did see that magnus went into his memory palace and really and even now he's still just trying to remember all the fine details because if you remember the line that we showed it did get pretty critical because white was allowed to just open up the center yeah and uh it's unclear yet whether magnus is still kind of following something he's looked at before or whether he just got there by process of elimination or because he's just i mean the best player in the world he's finding these uh once you give them kind of not necessarily only moves but once you give them a narrow path they normally find those best moves but either way that's unclear but uh i think it will become clear over the next few moves and yeah i think there's also danger in that last position that white could have moved the knight to a5 so if you played like bishop c8 uh something like this uh that knight could have come there which actually more i looked at it is is looking quite scary so maybe a5 is one of those moves you kind of have to find otherwise you're just worse and when you're the world champion you're you'll probably find uh such moves um i mean it's a very tense position and the thing i kind of like about these positions is that you don't have nearly well you don't have any pieces exchanged so all the pieces remain on the board and at some point the position could just burst into flames so there's loads of tension loads of stuff going on but one moment it just comes open and all the tactics start to occur so it's like that slow build up and that big sort of crescendo which we're going to see at some point i'd imagine in this position yeah and uh we have a question from kumar rasinos on twitter and there we saw that magnus actually had a very very long sink as he went into the tank and uh what is the kind of etiquette for you know janupomniacci is would he be allowed to get up and see the board from his opponent's side of i am as far as i know you're allowed to do that i mean you don't want to be standing right next to their shoulder kind of in their personal space disturbing them but i occasionally do that i just get up and as long as my opponent isn't disturbed then i can watch from a frog check it out and maybe see what the opponent's plans might be one of the most annoying things i don't know about you guys but you have your opponent and they come and literally stand behind your shoulder yeah so i was told this by one coach that you you should go around and look at the position from your opponent's point of view so you get to see their point of view on the position but then if your opponent literally is like his head over your shoulder you can just feel their presence and it's like no just go away and i know a lot of players do this on purpose you know these guys don't but if you're playing in a tournament then they certainly used some quite quite outlandish tactics to try and put you off you know and of course they wouldn't be so none of the players are here right now they wouldn't be allowed to sit in the other one's chair right now i would love that i'd love to see that in the world championships just go around and sit in their chair yeah and then the other just swivel around baby just enjoy yourself right yeah yeah just admit it like sometimes your position sucks you just want to sit on the other yeah yeah just enjoy their view for a second or two yeah well it is a tense moment in the game magnus carlsen has moved his form to a you and pogba do in return he's not by the board right now and as we mentioned yesterday we do like to see those faces so let's take a look at your selfies [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] hey [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] thank you so much everyone for watching and for sharing your selfies using the hashtag c24live vienna pogniacci just came back to the board will we see a quick move from him now david i think a quick move is very likely from yandere pontiac maybe not over the next 30 seconds or minute but this doesn't seem like the kind of position where you invest 20 30 minutes for me there's only one clear plan now for white and that would be initiated by moving the white dart squared bishop and uh what do you guys think i only see one sensible option here it's why you put that bishop on that square to begin with i mean why else has two ideas as well if you go bishop c3 has this idea of going queen d2 and just winning that pawn but it has the idea of opening the center which we talked about at some point something will come to life and you can try to push with d4 as i think you mentioned david showing there on the board so bishop c3 looks very obvious here i find a lot of these positions when you're playing chess and again this is something that people don't really consider it's not just who's better even if it's by point one is whose position is easier to play even at this level which is incredibly obviously the best level you can get if your position is slightly easier to play your moves are more natural you have easier plans and that gives you some kind of advantage and it seems to me that white's position is it's more natural to play i don't know if obviously david you play at the highest levels if that's something you you take into account and you thank yourself as well when you play yeah now all the time it's for me it's not the number one consideration when choosing openings because objectively everything's pretty much equal these days uh there's no good or bad openings is he about to play this move um but yeah the key thing is just choosing positions that the plans are straightforward and it looks like he has indeed brought his bishop to this square as we predicted there's two ideas pushing a pawn forward exploding things open this would lead to complete chaos if you place it next or as simon mentioned just sliding the queen forward one square for example if black moves the bishop sliding it forward and targeting this pawn uh you got to time it correctly there might be consequences to each decision but either way uh i think simon's on point there this was part of the plan it was a straightforward move and that's why napoli actually may be feeling slightly more comfortable right now just because there was no other sensible way forward and yeah i'm just checking with ceci as well and the top move is for the light squared bishop to go back to its home square and re-route itself so we might see this is such a hard move to find though bishop c8 i think right i mean i think unless you've looked at it with a computer yeah but i do think that magnus is going to find it he's gonna fire the kind of move like that because i've seen him do this type of thing before and it is quite common in these type of positions your bishop is blunted he's looking at a wall so move it to a better diagonal yeah it's not a good diagonal but that diagonal is completely blocked as you imagine and it is slightly typical but not in this exact position where they've been open lines where there's open diagonals okay uh personally i think it would take me a long long time to come up with this move we should also explain the reasons behind it uh this retreat firstly because you might want to bring it to this square and create an annoying pin against the white knight and against the white queen but if white for example stops that move if white pushes the pawn forward controlling the square the bishop wants to move then you can bring it to the center and challenge against white's light squad bishop and this is the spanish opening the royal affairs the whole uh kind of heart and soul of the opening is this white light squared bishop it was bobby fisher's best kind of favorite piece as well and if you can kind of neutralize the light squad bishops you might neutralize white's advantage so um yeah a very logical move once you stumble across it but not easy to have on the radar uh it's not kind of human instinct okay magnus frowning slightly there and uh i think maybe it comes back that white has a slight easier position to play i mean bishop c8 i'm sure he will find it but he's going to take he's going to spend a lot of time finding such moves of this and jan but he always seems quite confident yeah doesn't he he's very hard to tell from his body language because he's always getting up when he plays move and he just has that extreme confidence about him but sorry simon i'm uh tanya is down and dubai was an interesting report what's going on in dubai tanya kaiana we heard it from grandmaster maurice ashley that both players playing atypical positions like we've been seeing them uh in game one and game two quite unique structures on the board pawn trades i've got with me a marshall expert grandmaster hans neiman joining us to take us through what exactly happened now hans in this position in front of us is where magnus went into his first big thing jan played knight d2 and then we saw magnus hold his head take a moment and pause what happened here so you know some people might think that this thing actually means he doesn't know the position but i can assure you magnus has looked at this position and knows exactly what he's doing um it's a common thing a lot of top players do is when it's he's making a psychological decision here he's choosing essentially to go for the main line um which is knight to a5 and after bishop a2 c5 knight f1 bishop bishop c8 this is a fake show me theoretical line something i've played myself and he's probably thinking okay if jan is going for this specifically he's got some ideas and maybe this is somewhere where magnus doesn't feel comfortable going straight into the ants operation so then he's thinking to himself okay how can i deviate um in this position without sort of making giving too much of an advantage so in this here he's probably got maybe two or three other alternative moves that he can play to sort of surprise you on and i think the surprise factor is extremely important so he played rookie a um you know a move that is definitely not the main move um but it's the goal of this move is to sort of say to to tian okay you're not going to get the nade a5 mainline now show me what you've got um so this was a really interesting theoretical moment something i'm a specialist i played a lot of games with with the black pieces here and i can assure you that if i know a lot about this magnus knows 10 times more um so although he might be thinking and you might think oh maybe he's got maybe he's worried maybe he's unsure but i can assure you that he is thinking extremely psychologically and how he's going to make his you know his next decisions i'm looking at magnus behind us on the big screen right now and hans i have to say that he doesn't look very comfortable with what's going on so what do you think is what is he thinking right now so i think there has i think he maybe is regretting possibly not going for knight a5 because knight a5 is sort of the direct equalizer it's not completely equal but if from my analysis and from general top-level analysis if you take it deep enough it's equalizing so perhaps he's regretting that specific decision and perhaps he's been just you know annoyed that jan has played so well and you know as you see in the position currently this a5 pawn um could be a long-term weakness and i think that he's a little bit uncomfortable and one thing that jan is really impressed with is i i when i look at his face and when i see how he's sitting i can just sort of tell that he's not he's comfortable like sitting he's at the world chess championships i expected honestly it's it's not easy to sit down and and sit on that chair like you own it and like you are meant to be here so i think psychologically magnus is realizing that jan is here to play jan is here to fight and you know this is going to be this is not going to be easy it is the world championship match so it's not meant to be easy and definitely big fights have been happening and will continue to happen hans what do you think about magnus showing his main prep against e4 going for e5 and always trying to get the marshall well yeah it's definitely sort of in tune with the theme of the last match against caruana as we saw with e4 c5 and the semester cove being the main sort of battleground so essentially i think magnus is saying okay i'm willing to fight in the marshall i'm willing to prove my preparation and i'm willing to make this to the general fighting ground so i think that's really interesting it's an opening i like a lot myself and i've played a lot myself and i think it's great and i think it's going to create a lot of dynamic play creating winnie signs winning chances for both sides so i think this is really interesting for the battleground um and i honestly was surprising to me but i think uh based on these first two games the rest of the match could just be you know jan trying to find ideas in the marshall very interesting and i can see on our live board magnus has gone for the idea of bishop c8 rerouting that bishop uh what's your take on the current position so i do like this idea with bishop c8 bishop b6 sort of the main dynamic of this position even the position we have on the board is that the bishop on b7 just isn't great um because the bishop on b7 the the entire sort of premise of this position is broken down into whether you can play d5 and the the structure and the premise under which d5 is played now with this d3 and a4 setup it's really sort of targeted to prevent d5 which meaning the bishop must reroute so i think with this reacting the bishop i think he's slightly worse but on on an objective perspective he should be able to equalize and play you know dynamic game although jan definitely has an advantage now thank you so much hans for that that we have a grand master hans neiman with his take on the current position yeah thank you so much tanya and hanson super interesting han saying that definitely there is an advantage for janna pomnyacci right now it does look that way if we trust the computers and this type of position i'm quite inclined to trust them because it's about to open up it's about to get quite forcing and dynamic and magnus carson he did find the move we should mention uh while they were having the chat there black did find the move that we were recommending quite an important move rerouting that uh bishop but if janupon actually plays the most principled reply i think he will then uh magnus still has some hard work to do a lot of defense ahead what do we think guys is white going to push his central pawn forward push the d-pawn explode things open just like this might be the moment this is i think if he does play it's a good sign for yan because he he is an aggressive player and um we want to kind of see that aggression at some point he's got to play a move like that if he wants to win this match he can't he can't sit there and play long games which is something magnus specializes in so i think d4 would be a very positive sign uh for his team if he played it now because it's a very positive move you're just trying to open it up and of course your vancouver you have some more information on this position as well that pawn push was the move that was studied in october and i have an interesting story here because um on october the 20th someone looked at porn takes porn and they analyzed after porn takes porn they analyzed uh they actually just stopped there so we don't have any more moose but on october 27th they turned around and looked at night takes pawn as well so this is on the cloud definitely in the yeah this is in the cloud database where you can look at what people have been studying can we know how far they studied maybe because this looks like quite a forcing variation after knight takes pawn there's about to be trades of pieces for the first time in the game it does continue okay so it continued after everything got swapped off and uh there was a bit of indecision you know bishop takes born or queen takes born both lines were looked at and uh in the end queen takes porn was kind of looked a little bit more looks like the uh most attacking look at these bishops potentially still need some help to get pieces out of the way for them but scary pieces yeah i think towards the black king and then the line continues do you want me to go yeah keep going the lights the square bishop developed to the e6 square that's right david and then they looked at a very subtle move actually stepping back with the queen one square okay interesting okay could it be on a problem actually that has studied this could be because the line ends here and then i here i can see that's a oh seven oh hang on a second in november 26th that was a few days ago it was revisited okay wow okay crazy november 26th yeah november 26th that was the day of the first game of this match wow it feels like it might be teaming up omni actually because maybe they realized he wasn't getting any anywhere with the way he played in game one all right so maybe they were trying to find a different way to play in game three his next but wouldn't yan be playing quickly he strikes me as a kind of character we're talking about these guys that might try to hide their analysis or they try to scare their opponent i think if jan had prepared this a couple of days ago he'd be banging out the booze with pure confidence you know i don't i mean but it is very strange timing that you've got this here a couple of days ago this position has been fine maybe magnus before the game was uh because he didn't know that it would be an h3 anti-marshal and he was expecting this so maybe he's kind of yeah oh in those seven seven minutes that he spent in the car [Laughter] maybe someone just logged on while they were in the car oh wow this is you called it david modern chess oh it's crazy on the screen right here it's like a spy thriller it's like who did this who did that who was it yeah but we never get this actually whenever they get this type of information usually you know we're always second guessing and we kind of think oh what kind of novelties do the seconds uh up in their kitchen and here someone by going on the cloud engine and not analyzing privately has actually given us a real look in into what they've studied and it i think the dates are making sure that i think it is going to be someone from team magnus or team nepo i think the team member who accidentally made that information public do you think the team member will get in trouble for example if magnus if it was one of his team one of his coaches if he finds out that it was out there on the cloud maybe he'll just be like what were you doing why didn't you click off that bell button it's such high stakes i mean if if this game goes in one side's favor then the losing side might well blame their team for maybe not being so thorough it's amazing how chess preparation has has moved on i mean like in my 40s and when i was when i was learning chess you just didn't use computers and now you're not just using computers you're using cloud computers and you know what's it going to be next and you've got all this information you can save online supercomputers is another another level of uh analysis now d4 he's played it and um i i have to say if i you know i'd be a little bit nervous if i was in team team magnus now because he could be a little bit worse the position is opening up but it's also i feel the kind of position that jan enjoys playing he likes having the initiative most of the pieces on the board those bishops you pointed out david are looking incredibly strong both striking down towards black's king and you've got to be careful here with black you've got to be really careful i mean if you compare the black bishops to the white bishops right the white bishops now that things are about to become open they're staring down at the black king both black bishops back on their starting squares despite having both moved a couple of times so yeah definitely the stakes are higher for magnus and do you think you guys probably know magnus more than me his body language do you think he is there any way you can tell from his body language anything at all would you say it doesn't look happy to me but i i i guess it could just be his normal concentrating look i have a feeling he still vaguely knows what's going on here and right i mean normally he's quite expressive with his face okay there he kind of shrugged and kind of um grimaced but um yeah in general i think maybe he's yeah he's about to make a move and he's where's he he's taken with a pawn yes ceci and uh the computer were really indecisive you know porn takes pawn knight takes porn they should result in the same position okay um are we still um two days ago that's crazy wow yeah it's unbelievable we're still in there 19. yep imagine if we end up will move 25 30. so this is still analyzed so this was literally so why this is so amazing is that this was analyzed on on a cloud server two days ago for the first time ever and um now we're seeing it and we're not sure who who put it up but they maybe could have put it up as private but they put it up as public so someone's whoever did that your job's on the line son they're probably most worried more right than anyone else why didn't i press the private button but um it's fascinating yeah isn't it fascinating as well that it's hard to tell if it is team carlson or team nepogniacci or some random random random card out there and you started this and you're not on their team please tweet us definitely i wanna get to know you we wanna call you yeah hashtag c24 live yeah if you are the culprit then get on the show so yeah and we're going to have you call out the lottery numbers today as well yes and uh there we go napoli actually makes a bit of a face and then takes back the pawn with his knight okay so uh napoli actually i can't it looks like just having played him several times he made a bit of a face but it feels like he's trying to control his emotions and not try to give too much away so so this is this is still following everything yeah queen takes then it was uh bishop e6 yeah i mean both yeah and he will take with the queen surely it's the most natural move right yeah and now bishop e6 and you might as well just tell us the whole game you've anchor i'll just go i'll go and have a cup of coffee you can tell us how it ends one of them studied this we think that is quite clear for sure the other one has seen this that has been open out there and has also studied it but privately okay he just adjusted the piece i adjust wow okay so yeah i mean we i think we will find out for sure over the next i've said this before but we'll find out now uh over the next couple of moves who knows the position better and i do think napoli actually just judging by his body language maybe it's him yeah very confident yeah i mean just visually i i don't know how what you think of anchoring david but visually it looks it looks nice and white um without going deep analysis i mean the pawn on a5 this week the bishops look nice white is very nicely centralized i mean okay it's not a concrete assessment but visually if you had to glance on it would you you surely take white here yes yes simple simple answer there as we mentioned the two bishops they have the potential to be strong the queen i mean if you compare all the pieces the queen is better than the black queen the two bishops are better than their counterparts and the white knight you could argue it's right now more active than black's knight and the rooks may be better positioned uh four things to open up if white can kind of pummel through and just break with another pawn push uh black will be attractive here he goes bishop v6 quickly has he played it he played that quickly yeah wow i'd love to hear the press conference yeah afterwards just to know i hope they are uh if this is the case one of them has one team has studied this openly uh forgot to to press private button the other team has seen this and is also in that preparation how big of a scandal would that be for the team for getting to put this private definitely wouldn't be ideal i mean in public magnus or whoever it is will say oh it's it's nothing it's fine it's fine but then in private they will be having words because if it's happened in this variation it might have happened in countless other openings oh wow because you had this scandal um obviously a couple of years ago well not more than a couple years ago when fabiano was playing against magnus's world championships and they they released this video um showing fabiano's computer and it was showing a very deep position on the computer and showing his preparation they they showed this in a video on youtube so someone had literally led his preparation just being shown on a public domain and uh trough all over it yeah yeah it didn't really make it very subtle like fabi's preparation for the world championships petrol variation or something like that and it's like you know so if magnus's team we're looking at that it's like wow so these kind of mistakes you have to you have to be a bit crafty or just careful don't you i think at the moment so yeah and the thing is that was a complete accident it was part of a bigger shot they were just showing the throwing the team's faces and then it was just one corner someone had zoomed in screenshotted and uh they found out their information and it wasn't a bluff that was actually his opening so that was that so but then they they i think they claimed it was a bluff so then you've got to think where they're double bluffing so it's like did they put that information out they're never going to play the petrol they're just throwing it out there so or is it a triple bluff so it's like um yeah and of course he did he played the petrov in in nearly every game so it was just a mistake so there was talk as well in 2016 when magnus played karjakin of magnus hiring someone especially to look after the cyber security to make sure there were no hacks make sure nobody could find out that information make sure everything was private and uh yeah i'm sure both sides as well they'll be very very aware of keeping things uh things under lock and key yeah and uh okay meanwhile no problem actually thinking we actually showed this position a few minutes ago and we thought that white's queen could just step back one square to d3 and that might be the most accurate move that's not obvious that's really not obvious i don't understand this queen d3 move yeah sorry david i mean it's just thinking it looks like it's going to get hit by a knight um what would be the reason for white to draw the queen back one square i think maybe two reasons for it as you mentioned simon it's it's very mysterious right now um this queen move if he finds it i'll be amazed or i'll be very impressed by his preparation but right now i'm trying to work out whether white can actually grab this pawn on the side of the board and i think the answer is maybe not because after a move such as this one pushing the pawn forward attacking the queen black will have some counter play and suddenly the queen's eye line is opened up towards this white knight and even if black even if white doesn't lose any any material here the queen is forced back to a bad square just to protect her knight and suddenly there will be trades and for example this central pawn will drop to the black knight i think black could just take it immediately also this pawn will drop at some point so i don't think white can capture this pawn on the side of the board yet and maybe if you drop back the queen maybe you're threatening this if black just kind of does nothing just a random move then maybe you can get away with taking this pawn at some point you also maybe indirectly defend your bishop you do step out of the eye line of black's porn there won't be any tempo gaining or time gaining threats against the white queen so it's very very deep i doubt i'd find this move to be honest i doubt i'd play it i would be very tempted to be looking at direct options or maybe just securing some breathing space for the white king later on i would have thought around here this would be a very good indication of uh their preparation i mean queen d3 it doesn't look like a human move to me i mean it obviously point out it has great sense to get out of the move c5 and also at this level they can find moves like this but there are a lot of other very natural moves here as well also this would encourage black to just retreat the night i think you mentioned this idea earlier simon of bringing the knight forward and starting to hit the white queen so it's not entirely clear it's actually safer on this square but i i can tell you the move that was analyzed after the queen dropped back to d3 is actually not retreating the knight because that looks very natural it's actually to blast open the center already with pawn pushing to d5 and so the whole idea is again it's a pawn sacrifice which really fits in with magnus's whole strategy it appears from games one and two sacrifice the pawn get initiative so bishop takes knight was the main line and after queen takes bishop pawn takes pawn the bishop comes and attacks the queen and the analysis just stop there okay so this is finally the end of the line yeah wow that's that's good i mean this actually kind of sacrifice reminds me of game one where where magnus will get the two bishops he's a pawn down but he has clear compensation uh with space and the bishops so this is their strategy just lose the pawn get the two bishops and you're happy so um magnus if we look back in game one he sacrificed to pawn game two yesterday he sacrificed the pawn maybe he'll go for this and sacrifice another third time in a row yeah so let's see so well i mean i don't think queen d3 will be played is it is this well we could do a prediction here but i don't i don't know about this queen d3 maybe later on but what else should you play here what else that's the big question do you throw pawns forward at the risk of opening up your king it doesn't feel like you're ready for that no uh it feels like it could backfire i mean i'd love to just i'd love to play this f4 move it's a very attractive move but this this movie vanco mentioned d5 at some point just seems like a great way uh and then the white later on as we can see later yeah it does doesn't seem to work but um i'd love to try to attack here at white surprise surprise you know so well on that subject um yeah i can just see that everyone you know now upon seeing this game has gone crazy and is actually checking out what it should be playing and there's a whole load of moves that people are looking at and they're looking at attacking like simon says there's someone who's suggesting actually doing a rover which is when the rook lifts up the board and then swings the croc to attack the king and so someone is looking at moving up the rook to the third rank and getting ready for an attack there other people have been looking at just uh relocating the rooks that's sitting on the sea one square and moving it to the d1 square other people are looking at actually just retreating the light squared bishop so i can just see now there are 21 moves so is this basically as we've been commentating yeah people are sort of realizing that it's on the cloud they're going on the cloud they're putting their own movies they're just going on to a database and they're just uh consciously or unconsciously they might they might have this button which says let's check and if you have that let's check function on what is going on the cloud and it's checking up and against uh the analysis and uh well here we go now it's hard to tell whether it's one of the two players seconds or whether it's just some random viewer yeah did the random viewer admit to it yet do we have um well you know we have mr hot tub on twitter said yeah yeah it was me the first time it's the hot tub so his name is the hot tub mr hot tub yeah on his birth certificate that's his name yeah yeah just call me the hot tub baby so i i really like this rookie free i mean i think it's a bit a bit early but this is just the kind of move that if you had time to get the rook to g3 you'd very much like to play with those bishops you kind of need to have when you're attacking like this we're not really attacking but in order to start an attack you need to get as much ammunition around towards your opponent's king it's all about timing as you discuss so swinging the rook over the rover rook over that's the one i call it the rook swinger swinger um the rook lift the rook lifter one of these moves i mean it seems like a nice idea but maybe it's too slow rook to g3 at least would start we'll have a very nasty threat behind it yeah so in the current position that's very tempting but it does take one two years and a lot of bases maybe magnus would be able to break out in the center as we showed definitely there would be some big consequences here so uh yeah critical moment actually when i commentated with magnus on the candidates uh on the candidates tournament he loved these rook lifts every position he was just suggesting these rook swings these rovers if he studied this before magnus for sure this would have been on his radar for his opponent and he would have been checking out what to do there i mean his favorite maneuvers i mean is there any way i guess white can can do something like knight d2 and just try to take the sting out to d5 um if we see a trade again you attack this pawn yeah isolated pawn my my idea is to try to meet d5 seems to be like a key idea that that black's got in these positions if black can play d5 black's freeing the position up and i i want to try to meet this move with with e5 you know in in in most structures if i can i mean again you've got c5 moves so it gets incredibly complicated and i don't really like moving my pieces backwards but it's uh it's an idea i suppose but a bit passive bit passive yeah it's not clear who this favors actually because black does have two very strong pawns now and even if black's forced to retreat as well suddenly there's threats in the position of black marching forward talking about backward moves i do i also have to point out another suggestion that was made by ceci the the computer that follows magnus's games and the top choice is actually retweeting the queen second choice and this one you know if napoleon plays this move we know that he's it's him who's been studying this so this one is actually no one step further okay if he plays bishop d1 then why is that so strange uh i mean you never see a retreating move like that also you're taught never to disconnect your rooks rooks are best when they're connected um i mean also what is the bishop doing here it looks like it's hitting thin air i still don't understand and sometimes computers just don't understand the position like for instance if you'd put um game one that magnus and the pomona actually played against each other um if you put the position that they got in the middle game the computers didn't really know what to do they would say yeah yeah yeah i own a white is better but then we just shuffle shuffle shuffle shuffle nothing no plans no nothing and uh it's just weird yeah that's the big problem i found from studying with computers sometimes six different moves will lead to an equal position they'll say everything is 0.0 but of course four of those moves make sense to a human two of them absolutely no logic behind it but it doesn't lose or it doesn't worsen the position okay so that looks like the type of move which doesn't worsen the position but probably doesn't improve it either and for a human you always want to improve things or you always want a kind of logical plan you don't want just a bunch of random kind of lucky dip type of moves so so jan's definitely not going to move his bishop back to the background i think if he does that i will wear that teddy tubby uniform okay yes maybe maybe oh my god what did i just say on that note that note did i just guys that i think i'm going to have to launch the guest the move because i want to see simon in a teletubby costume and it's up to you guys the viewers at home now to choose the movie what is the anna pommy actually going to play if he plays bishop d1 but okay it's that moment guys come on let's do it [Music] awesome stuff david you launched guess the move in this position and that means the viewers they now have to guess to move on twitter yup and we don't know how much time you have to remember so message us using the hashtag c24 live what move do you think janna pomegi is going to play he's already been spending 12 minutes he could make a move in the next minute or two he could make a move in the next 20 minutes but message us your thoughts is he going to play a move that simon thinks he won't i'm going to end up in a teletubby costume oh i hope so it's not actually going to play maybe a more sensible move wow there's going to be a prize there is going to be a prize and it is one year's membership of g's chess which is the first ever website where you can just put up a search a chess position on a chess database and it can search through these test databases chess articles chesterball short and sweet and also youtube so it's an awesome prize it's tremendous resource at your fingertips so please tweet your answer using the hashtag c24 live and i will be picking the winner it's always fun yes all right well you still have time clock is still ticking for you on the pognyacci how many options realistically does he have here uh that's the thing many okay we've suggested maybe three or four options we showed them on the board a moment ago um i think the bishop option is the least likely of those but for example stepping the white queen back one square pushing some of the white pawns lifting up the white rook which one appeals to you yes no yeah and remember bishop d one means uh simon gets to where the pinky i'm sure the bet was that if i if if bishop d one's played okay i'll go tinky winky whatever la la just give me the whole bloody i don't care but if bishop d1 is not played i'm sure david said he has to wear it i'm sure there's a winning side to the event no i don't think he says oh okay i'm getting a little bit i mean i think oh dear all right well you guys thirteen fourteen minutes now before jana put my in this move so you still have time to make your predictions okay his hands was raised and still thinking he's not sure himself he's undecided and actually i think this is the longest he's spent at the board thinking since the beginning of game one since very early in game one so uh yeah right now it's it's unclear napolite if he retreats his queen we're gonna head down towards that position we showed earlier black sacrificing a pawn if he lifts up his rook he's gonna try and attack he's gonna go towards that black king it's a stylistic option now for nepogiacci all right what will it be on the prognachi in this situation magnus carlsen has left the board so he's kind of following jana pognac's strategy here to stay away from the board as much as possible maybe yeah mind games mind games yeah definitely all right well what will you do yana pomination will you give us a tinky winky in the studio probably not praise please yeah he's been working with super computers right there was a university in moscow that that has a super strong computer that he has been working with so i mean is there slight chances or is is it simply a bad move it's not bad move definitely if the computer suggests it and also i've noticed the more i work with computers the more kind of concrete my thinking becomes i start calculating more i'm more direct maybe and i start getting kind of infected with these type of computer type ideas and maybe that will happen for napoli actually that type of move though unless he studied it before unless he's looked at this position um it's just incredibly hard to have when your candidate moves normally chess players top chess players i think this was mooted by kotov at one point in a book called think like a grand master and he talked about candidate moves you have three or four on your radar you just compare the three or four moves against each other you look down the line you evaluate and then you'd pick one it's going to be very hard for napoleon even if he's looking at four or five different moves to somehow take a step back and think okay i'm going to retract my bishop i know they have these microphones now which are quite interesting at the end of the game yeah they turn these microphones on so you can hear what they're saying like oh you know but um i just hope that one way microphones because you know you might have heard us in the studio and he's like i'm just going to play bishop i just want to see him wearing that suit that's it i don't care about the world championships i'm going bishop d1 um but that was quite interesting like so yesterday and they had these they had these microphones where at the end of the game you could hear the players chat to each other straight away afterwards and i again i find it quite peculiar that the players do chat to each other so much because it is the world championships definitely it's so intense and there it's like a war on the chessboard and they're fighting for this huge title yeah and you know dramatic stuff happens in the game and the game is over ah what did you think about that move oh it was like just friendly it smells actually yeah i was chatting to ivanka earlier and we thought that i mean the course of that conversation as well it felt like napoli actually was trying to take the dominant role he was saying okay i saw this and this and this and this and magnus was just saying oh yes oh yeah oh yeah and it's very rare to see that normally magnus is the one who sees more or who kind of is more confident about his evaluations but upon actually yesterday he saw a lot clearly from that conversation they had together so maybe it was it sounded like a nice conversation but maybe it was part of the tactics for janna pomnyacci not the yeah i mean there's been some famous cases i think of like people well often analyze their games afterwards this is a very normal thing to do if you're playing in a tournament you finish the game you go into the analysis room to have a look at your look your games and i heard a story i don't know if it's true that the ex-world champion karpov um when he analyzed the top players in the analysis room he he would play awfully you know he would do it on purpose he'd analyze ridiculous moves like you know where this is obviously before his world champion and the guys are playing was like how did i lose to this idiot you know how could i lose to him and next time they just think i'm going to crush him and of course he beats him again so again someone told me this really don't know if it's true but a lot of people also try to be very dominant in united states and they try to own the person yeah um and this hack this is really annoying i hate it when you try to suggest moving they're like no no no you can't who the hell are you you know god oh god um but they do so there's lots of different mind games going on after the game even after the game yeah yeah even yes it just never stops no i mean you get people who you know you've beaten and then they act exactly like simon says and uh when i'm in that situation i normally go take it the point is yours because i won the real point exactly and uh yeah sometimes you get uh actually sometimes it's surprising how many players are just playing on instincts you know i once analyzed with a very top player and i was very surprised you know he didn't say to me i looked at this this isn't that and i because that's what i was expecting he said no he hadn't seen that move oh i was like everything i showed he said no he hadn't calculated that his instincts were actually refined by the pattern recognition wow that was really insightful actually yeah and uh just to see how selectively his brain had worked yeah that's the case as well the first time i ever analyzed with michael adams who was the english number one for 20 odd years uh yeah i was just shocked by how open-minded he was when i suggested something he's like oh actually yeah that's really interesting i didn't really consider that or he'd say okay this position maybe it's good for white not sure it's about the practical um it's about the practical considerations but uh yeah there's also as simon says there's one guy famous on the english test scene who he's actually several hundred points lower rated than some of his opponents but he's always he thinks he knows better i i know exactly who you're talking about i'm not gonna mention any names but he's he's not he's let's just say he's not a grand master but he thinks he's like 200 you know points better than magnus you know so you know you're very confident in the analysis basically there's a confident and then this is something else you know so do you know who we mean yeah of course i don't okay there we go there's this i actually saw was actually in hastings uh chess congress which is an amazing tournament and a lot of history behind it but he was analyzing with the swiss version of himself no meeting of mines whatsoever you know one of us going i'm absolutely winning the other no you're wrong i was just like this i'm going to grab myself a bucket of popcorn get the phone out start recording it so yeah [Laughter] oh my god you're very naughty with your phone don't you have to say recording things you know i'm just waiting one day you know i can tell my story and you should start the chess gossip girl uh column yeah thinking about this ooh bring us all the gossip from the chess world one day yeah it is i bet there would be a lot of gossip in the chess world because it's it's quite a small environment worldwide right you you would know most of the top chess players you hang out at big tournaments we do yeah yeah that yes is the answer i think yeah it was fill several volumes of books and um yeah maybe we should just keep it there yeah there's so many chess books on chess analysis and chess games and chess openings give us the next book on chess gossip yeah maybe tweet us if you like that idea or if you know any uh if you could come up with any good titles oh obviously there was a good um history book actually and it was published by new and chess and uh it was called timmins titans and i have to say he gives a no-holds-barred uh kind of uh he just tells the story of the top players and he tells stories that you know were known in the chess world but he's the kind of the first one in my opinion to kind of put it out there on print everywhere you start to look at the world champions in different lights and see them as quite human yeah yeah going through the world champions that we are doing also simon it becomes clear that many of them were i heard the word womanizers womenizers you know they were married a bunch of times and just you know played chess yep but with girls yeah yeah but i think uh yeah yeah i mean i think we're looking at uh alec later yeah i think he was married five times did we say something like that trying to check my research yeah it was yeah four or five times so it's yeah quite a lot of times yeah yes wondering how we got on this topic yeah we talked about chess analysis one moment computers and how and how it's uh developing the game and then suddenly gossip yes gossip yeah well janna bonnier is still thinking for 22 minutes now that's a long thing even in classical chess definitely a long thing and characteristic as well yeah yeah and uh before we do a deep five maybe again in this position uh mel griffin has a question and he asks us so or she asks us how long do you suggest one takes to study at classical game oh that's a very good point actually um in the past i always used to say however long the game lasted you should spend the same amount of time studying a game but if you play a seven-hour game nobody wants to sit there for seven hours studying so um i would always recommend going through the game on a board first maybe actually especially analyzing with your opponent or analyzing with some friends so you get some other opinions and then afterwards only then you go and check maybe with the computer to see uh just use the computer as a blunder checker don't necessarily kind of rely 100 on the computer's evaluation often your move is nearly as good or just good enough anyway um but uh yeah i in the past i used to spend a lot of time analyzing my games maybe an hour or so on each game but these days i've become slightly lazier just clicking some computers and i find i left definitely learnt more when i was putting it on a board and analyzing with others was it more important with the team aspect before computers to analyze games you would need someone to spar with someone to talk to about the game i mean yeah you had the soviets scored a chess as well i mean we're going to come to botfinic later on who was a very famous world champion and really helped the russians become so strong and i think his main advice was analyzing your games he said he could one of your games you could take a week analyzing so literally a week to look at every single aspect and i think that's one thing they did a lot to find all the weaknesses all the strengths and their plays so i don't think you can really go wrong with analyzing your games but i think you can if you're using a computer because again it's you know you've got to understand the why why are you doing things and the computer doesn't tell you that why and i think that when bodz finnick was doing it he was trying to understand why you're playing this why are you doing this what should you be doing it's all the whys basically why you know that's that's to well worth bearing in mind i think yeah for analyzing computers nowadays they're so good but they only spit out moves and numbers yeah it's all about the questions why and actually bought vinnic for example kasparov learnt from the botvinnik school of chess i think it's part of their practice they would show their games to their colleagues and then kind of discuss their thoughts analyze them afterwards and uh you know what what is your opinion on computers and how they're developing the game or changing its nature because we have a tweet from bruno who says and if this is true stuff so far is just a battle of memorization much like fisher said opening theory ruining chess having mixed feelings about this possibly i mean if you're talking about the very elite level these 2 800 players i mean the top top five in the world for them often it is a battle of memory but also i mean it's a battle of homework it's like any sport you do your preparation you get physically in the zone you study your opponents you try and look for these tiny one percent margins i think that's just the way the world is going and if we embrace it computers have taught us so many new ideas they i mean we're just as creative now i feel um as we were in the past with creative computers showing us these long-term sacrifices and um i think if we embrace it then there's a lot of positives of course take some of the romantic nature some of the mystery out of the game but yeah that's just the modern world yeah if i mean if you had a choice would you go back to the the days of pre-computer or would you yes oh definitely i mean but i wouldn't be sitting here broadcasting so so there are positives but i i i really prefer it preferred it for computers personally because uh the memorization thing is uh well i'm too old to do that now anyway but it's uh the imagination i think is also you can just refute sacrifices by putting it on your computer for 10 seconds which is which is a real pity is that why fish random is such a you know it's getting more and more popular this variant where the pieces are placed randomly in the starting position yeah do you think that's going to get increasingly popular i think at some point that's the way maybe things are heading um at least official random it's more about general understanding and calculation and talent as well i had an interesting conversation with aryan terry the norwegian number two about these things and he told me that i value talent too highly and actually computers they help people who like to work hard and that's just as valid yeah i mean not everybody is born with uh an ability like magnus to memorize everything and uh it kind of levels the playing field of course he's still the best because he uses those tools but if magnus didn't he couldn't rely just on his talent i guess it's also a talent to work hard exactly and this is something that we're finding out to work hard and to be you know very religious and you're you're learning it is a real skill and that's what you have to do yeah i mean it's it's important even things like memorization you know it is a talent to kind of go and research memorization and to start learning the techniques to improve that you don't necessarily have to kind of fix yourself in the whole idea hey i'm bad at memory i'm too old for that you can actually go well let's let's try and do something about it you don't have to be at that level all the time so yeah i've been reading a lot of carol dweck fix my mindset growth mindset yeah well this is all very relevant when we will be talking about alkyne later on simon coming after capablanca the big genius the natural talent and then alekhine maybe known for more studying doing the work yeah i mean you know i think each world champion we've had has had their kind of distinctive thing that they've brought to to the game even if it's very subtle and uh um well we're going to discuss this later but kappa blanco you could say is more um i would say more magnus-like very natural player he played very quickly and alekhine was obviously a very natural you could say genius as well but he he he did more work i feel to to develop the game he did more opening work and you know even if you've got the best talent it's much more important to have a good work effort than the most talent in the world you can see very talented players and it's very hard to judge talent as well how do you actually judge talent um there was some controversy recently wasn't there where one of the seconds of a recent challenge in the world championships basically said there was many more other players in this this contender who was more talented than him um i don't know if i should mention the name but it's out there anyway um and that that was yeah it was a bit strange but um yeah hmm all right well you're on the publicity 30 minutes now almost spent on this move it is uh guest move time so you guys can still keep your suggestions coming in on hashtag c24 live i just moved yeah i've been sitting over 10 minutes fearing bishop d1 should we remind them about yeah what possibilities we're looking at okay that's good yeah so there are a few main possibilities and just to recap the main moves that we were discussing that we were showing earlier we were discussing for example white's queen stepping back one square white rook sliding across for example this one is actually the top computer suggestion move we've heard uh from rebecca and just as this happens he's made a move simon it's not it's not teletubbies get in there it's the opposite it's harry harry harry little harry i received you again he does yeah good up good on you harry thank you it wasn't the bishop retreat that would have got simon dressing up for us live on the show just a pawn push it is just a pawn bush but this was an idea that hardly anyone thought of in fact i mentioned it several times earlier sorry um i mean i never really went into detail on the board but i just said it's so natural just push your pawn create some squares for your king so now there's no background checkmate the king does have some breathing space and i guess also it stops the black knight ever jumping forward okay so logical but slow i kind of i mentioned it just because it was on my radar it's like first instinct but i dismissed it because it just looks like it doesn't suit the nature of the position and we mentioned this as black's pretty much automatic reply in every scenario and can he play d5 here i mean if you commission i guess if you can place d5 or c5 and d5 you might just equalize at least equalize immediately sorry uh in this position you mentioned c5 as well as well as this pawn pushing you could attack the white queen and then push forward with your pawn yeah something like this i mean this looks i don't know i again like a good option for for magnus i would have thought yeah some calculation i guess needs to be done here bishop takes knight for example could arrive and uh if the queen takes now white would be a pawn up and maybe this pawn isn't so greatly placed here white can push forward but then again for example after white's bishop takes this knight i could consider taking the white knight and complete chaos yeah but uh i mean some tactics you have to calculate queen takes queen you have to calculate bishop takes queen so much to work out here so napoli actually just spent 30 minutes on one move i i'm pretty sure we'll see magnus spend a lot of time as well maybe not 30 minutes but he'll spend a lot of time working out to push this pawn hit the queen personally i think this one's the most attractive pushing immediately and after a trade maybe trying to capture with the knight trying to take this bishop trying to obtain the bishop pair but then again we have to work out what happens if white gets greedy and snaps off a pawn i mean so many variations actually yeah it's constantly heating up it's kind of coming to life now isn't it the position of this is again what happens i'm sure magnus would really want to push this pawn to d5 and i mean magnus plays a lot of subtle chess you could say often but if he gets an opportunity to go active he will take it and things could really come to life after after this pawn pushes the d5 um so getting interesting yeah i think those are the two main candidate moves pushing this pawn opening things up because black is very passive you can't just sit the back and kind of uh just do nothing forever or pushing this pawn forward hitting the white queen you can maybe make an argument for the black knight dropping back as well re-routing it this way to harass white's bishops but either way i would be shocked actually if we didn't see one of those three moves from magnus especially this one right now well we did have the guests to move on the previous move did anyone guess the right move the uh porn moving page three and the winner of one year's membership to g chess well that is axel armor congratulations you are our winner you correctly guessed that napolita you would play h3 and you even gave it a double x-clap good good thinking i don't know i don't know if that answer should count because it's not really a double x fan i mean he got it we went a little bit overboard there to say he doesn't get any g chess stuff try again simon one exclamation mark maybe maybe maybe we could push for that so it's pushing harry the age one okay maybe you should explain that with exclamation points in in notation what does that mean yeah so when players write down moves um when you see chess games kind of notated in magazines for example in newspapers uh an exclamation mark signifies a good move a strong move uh or maybe a move that's not uh not expected as well double exclamation mark is just a genius oh wow those are quite rare uh you want to write a queen sacrifice stuff like that exactly for the really really genius moves how about blunders are there what would they look like question mark of course and the type of move that i play quite often double question mark for the not biggest the truth he's this british sense of humor i'm too modest too modest way too honest david doesn't make a double exclamation mark i wish i wish he didn't make a double explanation okay sorry david no that's okay and occasionally you see a bit of a mix you see exclamation mark then a question mark that means interesting um and if you see it the other way around question mark then an exclamation mark it means dubious a bit of a dodgy one not bad but dodgy okay i can remember the first time i played david and i it's interesting cause we're talking about time control and i didn't realize it's it's a bit different to uh the standard time control in internationals now where they're not getting increments so normally in uh nearly every chess tournament played you make a move and you get a bit of time added to your clock and uh i think it was a rhonian uh world leading player who said yes dada he felt maybe uh magnus is a little bit uncomfortable with this with his format which is the old format you don't get added time so if they do get short time you can hustle your opponent and this is the way it used to be for the first 20 years of my life and i remember i i was playing the iron man competition i was playing a young a young kid went to the board this young kid you know nice kid very well-mannered he was sitting there and i was playing him and you know i've heard he's a real talent you know be careful of this kid but i'll be all right you know wheel out the english um english opening and we play very we play a very long game and this kid unbelievable the time would get down to one second and i'd be looking at the clock obviously he's got one second left and then very calmly just go and play a move and then get another extra 30 seconds like oh come on man next move five four three two one i'll be like this went on for about 40 moves and i wasn't used to his time trying i thought what i just thought he's got to lose on time at some point he ended up crushing me i ended up crying this kid was running around happy done about running around and of course it was this guy sitting next to me david howe so he he used to like playing with fire yeah even when he was a kid which is quite funny fantastic david howell okay we have to uh go down to dubai because tanya has a bunch of interesting guests around the venue where the players are sitting thanks kaya i am outside the venue now those are some fascinating stories we see the challenge and the world champion the current world champion fighted out for the world championship match we know yanna pumnachi and magnus carlson two of the best players on the planet for just how strong they are at the game they come across as these beasts these monsters over the chessboard but there's a human side to these two players and i am very pleased to look into that side to get more insights into that i've got a very special guest with me and it is grandmaster sergey yanovsky he's a long time guide trainer friend to janna pumnyachi he's been in his team he's a manager now thank you so much for joining us sergey thank you yes really i started to work with yanden he was 10 years old and when we started working jan was the european champion among kids three years in a row it was 2000 2001 2002 and in the 2002 he made the golden uh double and also he won the world championship and in this championship he tied the first place with magnus carlsen but according to the special rates he was the first and magnus was the second and i just remember that after this the end of the championship uh next morning i met magnus and his father uh henrik at the tennis court and i was very pleased that henrikh and magnus congratulated me very warm manna so i i was very pleased with the gentleman's style of behavior because i was a little bit worrying that they're very disappointed that they tied the first place but they were not lucky and jan is the first so that was very very nice exp impression very long ago 19 years ago but still i remember this day very well that is incredible to hear now you have known yan throughout his career seeing him now fight for the world championship match uh starting from winning the european youth beating magnus carlsen there as well what is the feeling of seeing him fight it out in on this stage i always say that the feeling is that sometimes our dreams come true yes of course then he was a little boy and then he saw the awarding ceremonies at the very big tournament jan was very ambitious and he said one day i will be on the stage and i will be the first and now this dream come true he is fighting the world championship title i'm very glad and you know and really happy that it's really now that that's really really nice to hear now the thing is that you know sergey we often see when we think about yan we know we speak of speed we speak of how dangerous and aggressive his chat style is but there's always this human side to all these players and is there something that you know the chess world doesn't know or something that that surprises you sometimes in real life when you feel like all right jan has this side of his personality as well because the napo nyachi that we know is an absolute beast on the chessboard yes of course very often the player expressed his character in his chess games but i will say that of course jan is a real fighter yes he is very ambitious he never thinks about the draw he tries to fight for the victory till the very very end of the game but in the of course in the real life he's not such a monster he is very intelligent person and he is very caring to the person who are near him and so i will say that he managed to have different features in his character and he may be very soft and gelatin from one hand and a real fighter from the other hand incredible and sergey what do you think you've known yan for so many years what is what are the qualities that he has that that separate him from his colleagues i will say that to my mind one yan is one of the most talented chess players in the world and in general it is my own opinion but i think that in his generation he is the most talented to my mind he's even more talented that magnus but the thing that magnus is a very stable person with very stable nerve system and very good physical conditions so i think that the harmony of all these features gives magnus the advantage that's why he is the first for so many years but the specific chess talent to my mind is the most bright for jan it is he is the most bright chess player the specific chess talent is the most most yes most talented person and the most bright chess talent in the world that's my own opinion of course i don't insist but i will just share this opinion with you and tommy said when jan was growing up you were his chief trainer what is your role now in timian napogniachi now i just i will say the coordination of all efforts and just the organizational role first of all just the role of the chief of the delegation it is necessary to coordinate everything many things and it was started from the choosing of the place where we live during the tournament and everything all physical training during the match before the match so very many different problems which is necessary to face every day and to solve these problems every day also and it's so important for these players to have someone around them who they've known for a long time who give them these positive feelings so of course it means a lot to yan to have you with him here as well thank you very much i hope to help him and i do my best in this direction and my final question to you sergey like you mentioned you've known yan for years you've worked with him when he won the european under 10 and 12 titles similarly you've known you've seen magnus grow up as well because he and yan have been friends uh they've been playing together in these youth championships what is your opinion on magnus carlsen i will say that i have very positive opinion about him he is a real fighter but i think he is a nice person and he is very friendly to his colleagues and i will say that i think he is a very good example of the real champion and i think that he is very popular among his colleagues and also i think it is very important that he organizes a lot of tournament now during pandemia and it helps a lot of his colleagues to make some profit then normal tournaments are out because of this lockdowns and all these so i think he also cares about chess in general about the development of chess so i'm a very high opinion about him thank you thank you so much again for sharing your insights and impressions on the players wow sergey yanovsky giving us the human side of the two of the best players on the planet thank you so much tanya it's so interesting to hear from one of the person's closest to yana pomnyacci in dubai and now we're going to keep talking about world champions we've reached the fourth one and that is alexander alekhine uh became world champion in 1927 overtaking the title from the genius capablanca and i heard simon that he's maybe a little bit of an opposition to capablanca what was the style of uh well alec is certainly one of the strongest world champions and he did a lot of good things to chess but his uh his style can be uh defined as very dynamic um he had very good positional foundations so he tried to always like previous people like steinitz the first world champion start attacks from position of strengths but he'd also be a very very aggressive player at times very tactical player so he's kind of an all-rounded player but he's a real believer in the center he loves attacking from the center if you look at his games a lot of people have learned how to play just by understanding his feeling of the center of the board gain the center and once you gain the center it's like a battlefield if you control the battlefield the center of the battlefield you can attack your opponent's king so he did these kind of he brought these things to chess he showed his games he was uh he was very he had some very nice opening theory things so he brought a lot of opening ideas as well and uh yeah he's very highly respected uh even nowadays by his his peers all right well magnus carlsen is here fan he's a massive fan apparently yeah yeah i mean magnus really knows his chess history um i think a lot of the younger guys who are so keen on memorizing their opening moves they forget about the chess history but magnus certainly does and i think just talking we can see that a move has been played and that is a really surprising move we'll come back to that a little bit later but magnus just playing c6 there and that's a move i think we didn't expect uh over on the panel but we'll be back there very very shortly anyway let's check in with david are you surprised david yes i'm surprised i'm also impressed just by magnus carlsen's patience we were talking earlier simon about uh just maybe this being the moment to press forward to neutralize white to take direct action but no magnus just maintaining the status quo pushing upon controlling some squares and also maybe just the black queen now in helping to protect black's isolated pawn over there on a5 so sensible we'll analyze in a bit more detail a bit later but back to you guys yeah yeah we're going to keep talking about alakan you're talking about magnus carlsen being a fan of alekhine and okay so capablanca the big genius alekhine maybe you know studying harder bringing openings into the picture who would they resemble today if we if they take it into today's top chess players i'm i mean i think you could say that capablanca was certainly quite similar to magnus i mean just because they're very natural players they like the ending so that was some similarities alekhine was a much more dynamic player uh quite a dynamic person by the sounds of it as well i think he is as we mentioned earlier married like five times i don't have dynamics the right word but something like that and um i guess you know when you look at alakine you you'd have to say dynamic player like we have ali raza fruga um maybe you could compare some aspects of the game to that someone quite opening theoretical so like gary kasparov if he uses openings to get good positions and then turn those into attacks so dynamic players i'm not saying magnus is not dynamic but uh maybe some of these other players yeah you have a position up here something i do yeah just initial yeah just to show you how dynamic uh alakine could be and this was uh from younger you know from the start of his career really he was very strong at an early age and we can see that his pawn is attacked obviously that pawn ready to whip the queen off there um but this didn't stop alakine from moving his knight and this looks like a crazy move because it's like well the queen can be taken but you know if it's too good to be true we know what they say it might be a trap and he grabbed the queen here but now the thing i really like about this puzzle i love knights there's something really nice about the way the knights move around the board and this knight now comes back giving a check to the king the king has to move so it moves up here we even use our friendly h-pawn oh yay of course to give another check the king comes here and the final move here which maybe the viewers can find is to do with the other knight you just got to find a square where it can give check and this knight jumping in there is actually checkmate so a very pretty finish and i think very artistic finish and alekhine was amazingly good at putting these attacks together so yeah nice combination and he became world champion in 1927 overtaking the title from capoblanca were there some controversies there with these two uh you know players and capablanca being such a popular player as well yeah i think uh alekhine um and again i'm saying the english pronunciation i'm sure i'm going to get in trouble for our russian friendship but um alekhine was he was a bit controversial throughout his life really a lot a lot of things he did but in general i think the most controversial capablanca was okay he won against camper blanca but he was really resilient and he didn't really allow capoblanca to get a rematch so normally you'll give a chance to get a rematch but this didn't happen and i can see we've got another move over in the game they're coming a bit quicker and faster now um bishop coming back to c2 there david um looks pretty sensible very sensible and it does look like both players just trying to avoid the immediate clash between armies both just taking a time out controlling some squares and uh sensible once again we'll dive into the complexities and the nuances of this move a bit later on but at the moment still the calm before the storm all right well we're heading back to the 1920s then when al khan became world champion in 1927 he kept his title but then he lost it so he didn't let capablanca have a rematch against him he kept his title he lost it at some point but he he regained his title also was alekhine a dominant player of his time he was very dominant um he played a lot of tournaments as well and he dominated those tournaments i think he got 14 and a half out of 15 something like that against other great opposition i mean he did maybe dodge uh kappa blanca a little bit it would have been lovely to see them maybe a wise dodge and um you know he also had an interesting life he came you know he was brought up in russia and very hard times um the war was ravaging and he moved over to france and he represented france for a long period of his life and maybe he he played life like he played chess a little bit he was adapting to scenarios trying to do the right thing for his situation um but interesting and the most interesting thing is probably his his friend his best friend his cat right so yeah i don't know if we could bring up oh look at that so he would actually travel around he was cats he would yeah and not very normal really to travel your cat but he would go everywhere with his cats so whenever he played a chess tournament he'd want to take his cat so his cat was his traveling friend and he had a very appropriate name as well he was just called i believe chess so chess the cat chester yeah so maybe the first famous chess cat well we saw the first world champion simon steinitz with a very nice beard yes uh maybe you're a little bit inspired by steinitz are you also a little bit inspired then by alakine with uh your cats well yeah i do have a ginger cat charlie the chess cat so uh he doesn't come around to chess tournaments with me but uh yeah you know i like cats yeah yeah definitely sure all right well alekan he was born in the soviet union he became french uh he was french before he became world champion in 1927 and such an interesting story a dramatic life he even died before anyone took his world championship title away from him and i know that down in dubai rooney also knows quite a bit about alexander alekhine well yeah for sure they say guy as you mentioned is an extremely dynamic player he also had an extremely dynamic life so we actually had a bit of a you know a bit of trouble finding out which pavilion actually to go to we are at the french pavilion because for the longest time he lived in france he was a french citizen and he played for france for the longest time but he was not born elijah was not born in france he was born in the old russia he was born to an extremely wealthy aristocratic family then something happened called the bolshevik revolution i was not so good for the aristocrats and they were very wealthy his father lost his life and elijah had to flee the country and he fled to france so there he played and uh for for many years and he played a very very great chess but trouble was still looking for elijah and of course uh the nazi army invaded and conquered france and elijah was not able to get out in time so throughout the war he actually had to play under the not safe flag he they forced him to play under the nazi flag so i would say that's probably the most controversial thing he ever did throughout his life he uh later expressed that he was very very unhappy with this that he said that he had no choice and as you correctly say kaya after the war he moved to argentina where he lived until his death he died holding the title so far the only player to die holding the title but he wasn't world champion all the time because max irvin the dutch brilliant chess player uh defeated him and max irv is also an extremely interesting guy a guy who literally changed the rules of chess through mathematics so that is the next thing we are going to talk about we are going to head to the dodge pavilion and i trust that simon can enlighten us on the style and play of max irv in the meantime thank you very much and back to you guys thanks so much rooney it's fantastic you're such a big chess fan and been reading up on chess history and so much fun to listen to um your stories about alekhine or aliyah which i guess is the right pronunciation in russian all right well he was a is he are you a big fan david a huge fan and actually one of my first books was uh a series of ali khan's best games i think by himself uh just some annotations about some of his favorite games and um already in those days i was thinking i can't attack like this it's too clever his team is too strong and yeah of course colorful character as well yeah and they did yeah yeah i was just going to say um every world champion that i've read about has when they were kids studied the games of alakine and reads his all right well we had some moves on the board david we dig a little deeper into them yeah so we've uh had two moves one move per player since we last kind of dove into the position and uh it was here that we left it with magnus debating whether the moment was right to push his pawn in the center and as we mentioned this would have created complete chaos it would have been led to some really forcing sharp lines for example after pawn step forward a trade here and magnus he would have had so much choice he would have been able to take with the knight the bishop maybe even with the queen all of these have pros and cons but magnus decided it was too much to consider and he delayed he deferred this decision so instead of that move he just pushed another pawn forward maybe supporting this pawn push later on so he would have another pawn to recapture and defend that square also as mentioned opening up the queen's protection of this pawn in conjunction with the rook so white should not get tempted to take this pawn now this would be a bad material imbalance for white after a capture here and at the very end black would have gained two pieces just for a rook and a pawn and the two pieces here the two minor pieces will be stronger than any rook so in the end of pontiac instead of going for that variation simply stepped back with his bishop and this might look a bit clumsy all of these four pieces now are stacked up together but there are definitely ideas behind the pogchi's last move he wants to at some point maybe for example if black just waits uh white will step back with the queen and soon a battery will arise against the black king there's a threat against the black knight and if the black knight retreats suddenly the white pawn steps forward and we understand why napolita has put his bishops on this square there's actually a checkmate threat in the position and uh black's king now in huge huge trouble so okay napoli actually with his bishop retreat putting his bishop on a potentially good square magnus now needs to find a way to react i don't think he can wait much longer i don't think he can just maintain the status quo it might well be time for black to push this pawn and at least clarify the central situation yeah and i was going to ask that question you know is the time now to push in the center and you know just play d5 break open the position because like you say if you wait too much longer then you know all that pressure is going to make it impossible to break and then the position will become very unpleasant yeah these bishops still strong but at least now you have creative threats should we look in what happens if he tries to break in the center now yup uh i'm sorry so uh yep this position sorry after d5 i guess white will take it black has a choice of which way to recapture you can take back actually in four different ways he's played at magnus he has decided not to wait any longer the game is definitely heating up now he's pushed this pawn forward white will take this pawn i think no matter what you have to capture and now magnus has a choice pawn takes bishop takes knight takes or even queen takes it's all about this square the d5 square and first instinct would be just to play pawn takes pawn and force the white knight to make a decision maybe even to step back but then again now black has two isolated pawns white doesn't have any isolated pawns so long term this is risky in an endgame black would be struggling and we know magnus doesn't want long-term deficiencies in his position that being said if you take with the queen again you might have to consider a few things but also once the queens disappear at some point maybe this pawn will be attacked for example here white could consider maybe capturing this pawn and black needs justification for doing this maybe you're okay maybe you move the knight out the way you're attacking lots of things but uh calculation needs to be done here either way i think after this pawn takes pawn move magnus will continue thinking and uh what do you think ivanka which way to recapture this guy oh with a bishop bishop where the bishop was my vibe okay because you know i was a little bit worried after knight takes you know the line that you demonstrated so after knight takes here maybe the white queen might even step back again threatening some nasty sneaky checkmates and you have to you have to make a pawn you have to push a pawn actually to defend against that uh deadly threat and maybe you're okay maybe you're okay it's a bit shaky right it does feel a little bit shaky because now the you know having provoked that weakness the queen can actually step forward again later maybe he's trying to sneak in in this diagonal exactly so that line doesn't really appeal to me too much but a bishop takes and queen takes as you showed i didn't like that at all i felt it was possible riding on the edger and uh kind of bishop takes is there anything wrong with that so i can see i think there's nothing wrong with any of the recaptures to be honest i mean some may be slightly better than others but none of them lose on the spot at least and we would see a trade of rooks at some point maybe white would take these rooks off the board maybe the white knight can jump in yeah it's not winning the game for white but it's slightly unpleasant for black potentially especially if white can obtain the bishop pair white's bishops will be very strong and next move white can eliminate one of the strong black bishops so uh okay current position is this one uh not sorry not that one it's this one and uh right now you're not actually debating whether to capture this pawn and uh force things to accelerate you said it's heating up what what you mean by that is it easier to make errors is it easier to see that the players are ambitious well the position is opened yeah and when the position has opened then every single move counts you know we just saw in some of those lines where white was attacking a rook and a bishop white was threatening checkmate and so every move starts to matter i feel like we have to run through some of those lines again like i'm thinking how how to which capture i can't make up my mind i'm not sure yet i mean we'll go into that in a moment i just want to think as well about what why nepomiacci's uh still is he considered moved pushing his pawn forward surely not no that doesn't yeah i think there's only one move that i would be considering here paul takes pawn maybe he's just trying to look into the future four or five moves ahead but uh what other options does white have here if you don't take black's pawn then you might have to just start retreating and that's not a good sign so simon what do you think good timing by magnus this last pawn break his pawn push yeah i think so i mean i think he has to play something in the center of why is white's just gonna have a space advantage and d5 is uh extremely thematic you want to liberate your pieces and oh he has played e5 he has so he's pushed on so that's a bit of a surprise there wow yeah i dismiss that sorry if i feel guilty now i don't know because i actually i actually thought when we were going through the lines of pawn taste porn i was thinking hang on a second i can't see a good recapture so ponte porn fishing attacking the night i agree with you david it doesn't look as good as uh pawn yeah so after black did push forward white has bypassed this attack so instead of taking and asking the question to black how are you going to recapture uh janna probably she pushed forward and this is a counter-attack yes the white knight will drop potentially but then again the black knight would drop and if we compare the pawn structures in this end game for example if the queens disappear as well if we see a trade and suddenly blacks pawns we see that they're extremely weak this is isolated these are doubled this is isolated and this is also isolated whereas the white pawns are nicely coordinated nicely connected these two as well could potentially defend each other so end games maybe not so appealing for magnus but for example if the knight if the knight moves is janna ponetti just gonna jump into the position and he's gonna jump in with his knights and he actually had this type of night yesterday i remember magnus had this type of night with white and black also had a very strong knight at some point but if we saw this night eliminated then suddenly these two bishops i think are just too strong there's actually a direct threat of checkmate white's queen wants to take this pawn in teaming up with his bishop and okay so okay sorry if the black move is four the black knight is forced to move um that means it maybe has to go into somewhere very daring right i mean maybe you have to try c5 here i mean yeah the thing is i this is one of the positions we talked about you have all this uh building up to the crescendo to to the violence and the violence is now happening on the board if i was black i'd try to play with as much tempo as i could and i think a move such as pawn to c5 just pushing that pawn up to attack the queen makes sense i want to push the queen away and i want to try to avoid you going queen d3 in some positions but i don't know if he's played that it looks like he's taken something and he's up to the i'm very surprised he's gone for this ending um he must have something up his sleeve here because as you pointed out david it looks structurally really bad i mean there's two ways to assess the position the pawn structure in your pieces and if you're just going on the pawn structure magnus would be in trouble but he's got an idea clearly here okay so the queens disappear before white recaptures the knight so white temporarily a piece down but after this queen trade we will see white take this knight back and uh yeah suddenly this is a big weakness these guys are doubled i'm not so confident from magnus david we also talked about this rook rook over of ivanka's the rover the rook swinger and um it's one of those positions where if black does have a capture on f6 that's going to become certainly an idea maybe after taking on f6 if you want to go super aggressive something like this yeah playing for checkmate even though the queens are gone yeah those bishops they're just raking bishops um i have a suggestion instead of capturing the pawn what happens if you were to go okay there's a lot of danger in the position let's uh play my bishop out my dark square bishop and yeah that's that's the move i want and uh just try to relieve the pressure a little bit yeah this is clever actually just hoping as well for white to trade the bishops on black's terms and suddenly these two pawns are connected once again and they become very very powerful they'll start marching down the board i guess white would have to ignore this trade just pretend that there was no tension here and uh maybe for example pawn takes pawn and if you want to regain this pawn which is protected by white bishop then you'd have to trade at some point and uh maybe it's not so bad for black but still structurally these two are not necessarily better than whites one so are you saying you're getting worried for magnus carlsen now i think he should be fine but he's got to be accurate and energetic uh normally when you have a bad pawn structure for example in the situation that's now about to arrive on the board after queen takes queen sorry um okay he has taken with the rook so we will reach this position when you have a bad pawn structure as black you have to be energetic you have to compensate uh for the uh for the lack of positional um pluses in your position you have to compensate with dynamic dynamic play i really like this bishop b4 move that uh ivanka pointed out because uh as you say as well david is it's one of those players yeah really really nice find by ivanka there and it's uh it's one of those positions where you want to get to as near to a draw quickly as you can so you want to swap off you want to eliminate things and you might have to suck up a little bit of pressure but as we know magnus is world champion for a number of reasons and his defensive play is is one of those reasons so things clarifying though and we should be able to make a good assessment in a couple of years time okay so we predicted this white captured a pawn so temporarily white is a pawn up and temporarily white has a four versus two advantage on this side of the board but uh this intruder will disappear soon and uh shoot yana pominacci now play for a win i think he would like to if possible it's not clear exactly how despite the fact black has these weaknesses not it's not clear how you get to them it's not clear how you create any past pawns as white later on so for example you could trade here and okay there's no rush to take this pawn for example blacks rooks could start maybe entering open lines both of these guys are pretty good actually these two rooks or maybe you could even try and jump in at some point um into white's camp yeah i'm sure this is magnus's idea because we talked about pawn structure and pieces and his pawn structure is pretty bad he can't do anything with the black pawn so he's got to look at his pieces and you've got to look at your pieces how to improve them the black bishop at some point could come into that central square in the middle but using those works seems seems really normal thing to do here try to get active try to exchange off but there is a danger in a lot of endings i feel here with with black's pawn so if all the rooks are removed from the board i'm pretty sure you take white white to win the ending because the white king can come and you know it could be for example yeah let's just get those rooks off somehow yeah if all the rooks disappear then black is simply yeah i think in trouble yeah these three will beat these two whereas on the other side black will not make any progress but i just feel by virtue of the open lines and uh white's pawn two pawns on the left side aren't grey either and i'm just thinking actually after bishop takes bishop and the rose come into the game i think maybe magnus might be feeling quite positive if he's able to coordinate the rooks especially on the second row and uh it's not easy to defend that weak pawn uh sitting on a4 yeah yeah i mean exactly i guess white can play rookie d1 and try to put a king on e1 but definitely black has that activity at the moment and activity is very important i mean i would say you know general sum up there should be a draw but it feels like maybe yan is playing for the two results and this is like a perfect scenario to be in and what the two results means is you're playing probably going to be a draw but you have the winning chances i can't unless a mistake has made see magnus winning winning this position yeah but draw draw looking looking lightly but we're gonna have some more adventures first it's definitely not a dead draw but maybe with best play black activity especially with the rooks will compensate for the deficient pawn structure and they're quite playing quite fast now after both of them having long things at some moment in the game both both players spent nearly half an hour on one move yeah and clearly they'd calculated ahead that's why these top players are so good it's not because they're indecisive and it's not as if they're freezing for those 30 minutes they are really really making these hard hard decisions would you have rushed with capturing the pawn on g7 probably not but i don't necessarily think there's anything wrong with it either you would you were preferring i was preferring to mobilize rooks um so i was either thinking put the rook on the other rope that's not working put that on the b line and then threatened to come into the second row i felt there was no rush did you see that stare from jana pogniacci looking straight he's got the best stairs i mean if there's a staring competition he wins it hand out i mean he's got he reminds me kasparov kasparov was like the best actor in chess he was he was really uh you mentioned his his aura his aura was powerful and he could use his body to translate energy to the board it seemed and he had this his opponent would play a bad move and he'd be like he'd let his opponent know and uh yan yan just reminds me of that i don't think he does it consciously i think it's just a subconscious thing he does but um it must be a bit intimidating to to have that you know have that stare and again there's another english grandmaster i can think of who uh very famously stares straight in your eyes and he doesn't take his eyes off you for the entire game for the entire game it would just stare right in your eyes and uh yeah i i think there was a famous story once when he was playing another english grand master and that grand master said do you want my phone number or something it's like you know which was mind games again you know so uh but it's it's quite off-putting mm-hmm okay so simon your plan is coming into fruition bringing the king towards the center yeah makes a lot of sense here so yeah once the queens are off the kings are never going to be in any danger right so they might as well help out and uh now white i guess is also ready to evict any intrusions by the black rooks um yeah if the black rook for example on the default just comes in to the second rank white can just challenge it with his own rook maybe black's plan here is to try to get rid of this bishop i mean if i was black here king f6 bishop f5 i want to get to a rook ending my my rooks are on the open lines as you've pointed out and i just want to get rid of the bishops so i can try to get to some of these key squares for my rook so that's the way i might be looking at this to try and get rid of the bishops as black you've always got to consider especially in the ending what pieces will help your position if you exchange them and what will make them worse and we've said that if you exchange all the rooks off that's a bad exchange to black but maybe the bishop exchanges the way to go i don't think he'll get it in but you can try yeah really interesting actually and that's very instructive any end game or even any middle game you need to ask yourself which pieces which trades will benefit me and maybe magnus is going to go for this actually the more i look at it the more i like it if uh okay let's say white just makes a move uh if we do see this bishop trade just to highlight the squares you mentioned simon now that the white white light squared bishop is gone the black rook has access to this square also supported by porn and the other rook has access to this square and both of those would team up against this poor white pawn so this it's not 100 clear who this would favor but it does look like black would be happier if the bishops leave the board and also in general right it doesn't hurt to put your king nearer in the center if all the rooks disappear at least you're quicker to get into the middle and then you can choose which side to run to so that would be very sensible maybe white could stop this by i'm not sure lifting up a rook just to try and create a pin if this ever happens but uh at least then the white rooks committed itself to a square might not want to be on so yeah i like that idea alternatives would be just to slide across right to try and come in and if there's a rook trade maybe a set of one set of trades is okay because then the black rook could try and come in but uh it's not entirely clear because if the rook does come in why can just defend and then slide across and evict again i mean it's a crazy idea of going rook b3 with a bishop on c2 but i think that's a little bit too much i mean uh just but yeah okay i don't believe it but this sacrifice yeah i mean it is an exchange and it's probably just a great way to lose but i mean you maybe have to think about it the pawn is very strong and uh you might be able to cause some in the right moment right because here i mean why can't it's bishop at the right moment this could be a really dangerous idea there's maybe something to think about exactly so there's lots of things still going on um it's going to be a long game i think this one um i i still prefer white just because of the structure but um i think magnus will be okay yeah it feels like magnus should be okay but he needs to be energetic and that's why we've been talking about computers a lot today right so it says 0.0 the computer thinks with best players to draw but it doesn't necessarily show us whose position is easier to play and who the stakes are higher for if magnus is careless for five moves maybe the computer will start saying plus one plus two for white but i think if napolita's slightly careless for two or three moves i think he should still be able to draw so i mean i think magnus has made a career uh winning 0.0 positions or 0.1 positions this is this is something he's done but this is one of those positions where i don't think he's going to be pushing uh certainly not do you think good strategy then from napoli actually take all the risk out of the position and just before the rest day he can push now for the next 10 20 moves at least i think he'd be very happy with his position because he shouldn't lose i mean i think that's clear that with correct play shouldn't lose and maybe he can just play without risk-free uh going to the rest day with with at least an equal score uh but one thing's the shortest world championships has it's been very exciting so far um and it's people who are massively backing magnus i mean it's not going that way at the moment um yeah on that subject i've heard many grand masters actually say you know magnus will be will have an easy journey actually to it will be such a straightforward match difference in class but you know absolutely not from these last three games we've seen the difference in quality i think they've been matching each other actually every step of the way magnus has forced napomniashi to be resourceful and find good defensive moves on occasion but i mean both sides very i've been very impressed with both of them yeah it feels like napoli actually he's leveled up over the last year or so and he's definitely playing on magnus's standard right now and uh i had an interesting chat a couple of days ago at the good night pub uh with a norwegian grand master and he said he gave 98 percent chance that magnus would win and i was just shocked i thought i mean um he's playing so well yeah and uh okay meanwhile 98 is crazy he was saying crazy i was saying crazy games 100 point difference between their ratings but crazy in one-on-one encounters it's a completely different one the teams as well that have been working intensely let's remember jan has a plus score i think against magnus so one the only player to have plus score so magnus has only ever beaten him in one classical game right but it was their most recent one the most recent decisive result they played several times since then yeah okay we have some moves on the board okay black's rook took an open file and white's rook has challenged for that open file so we could see a trade of rooks on the b line right now what do you think will black rush to trade will black just bring the king closer to the center okay he's bringing the king yeah so your idea simon yeah i mean if you can get this bishop f5 move in it just at the right time it feels he's going to be absolutely okay um to trade those bishops i don't know if yang can get any minute he's getting blood out the stone that's that's what you need to do in such situations but i th you know at the moment i can't see it i can't see how he's going to do it so if magnus was white in this uh situation because you're saying it's basically a two result game right now it's draw or maybe slight chances brianna pomnyacci if if magnus was with the white pieces with his style of squeezing until the very end would you have then thought it would be a long game magnus trying trying trying to get that win definitely i think he'd at least take it to move 40 and then he'd he'd have an extra hour and he'd find ways to maybe set traps or um slowly start making these small gains step by step but um probably actually we did see it in game one he as soon as he slightly turned things around on v40 he pretty much took a draw yeah he didn't even try to press and uh yeah it's difficult to call but it feels like napoli actually if he gets a chance he will try at least to put some pressure on what is it like from risk what is it like for magnus to sit at the board well he's not there right now but but to play this game basically knowing that he's only playing for a draw i mean with the black pieces it's not the worst case scenario if you're white and you're only playing for a draw then it's a bit depressing just you lose the moral victory but uh he's quite a realist he's quite a pragmatic player sometimes especially world championship matches we've seen in the last two matches there but if it's a draw if the opponent's played well he's okay with that and uh he'll move on and he knows that if he does hold magnus in this game after the rest day he's got white he's got more whites left than black uh so yeah it's what if he holds this i think he'll be what pretty happy what piece or what situation on the board foreign gives him the better position even if slightly all the rooks off the board and talking of all the rooks of the world he's going for that now could we see a repetition of moose actually with uh rook takes rook and now napomniashi will go rook chat well we'll challenge his rook yeah instantly and then magnus will say no and move it and then they could chuckle they could yo yeah they could j i mean you also maybe have to think about taking bishop f5 but that's that's just not going to work is it so no no not at all too maybe we can show this yeah just trying to swap everything off but yeah it's a bad exchange so we're not expecting magnus carson to take these rooks off the board right now simon you mentioned this trade and uh possibly black stepping forward with the bishop but unfortunately um this is why we talk about exchanges right just because right now these two are basically the same as this one and uh therefore white simply has a three versus two advantage on the side i think he might have taken that rook off okay so he has taken the rook he's very confident this ending um i'm surprised i must admit because i was expecting ivanka's move of just running away with the rook and maintaining the status quo he's traded he's put his king in the middle what do you think well i think he'll hot i think he will hold this because he's because he's magnus but i i i wouldn't like to i don't mean maybe it's absolutely okay because the pawn on a4 is on a light square but i i would i wouldn't like to be black here uh personally i mean magnus will show us the way i'm sure but i think he's got a very concrete idea in mind actually he knows that he will guarantee uh getting a pawn to this square where he can blockade on the dart squares if white for example were able to somehow say if black just waited um if white were able to somehow get some checks in and get these pawns rolling these three get them marching up the board then i think white's just winning yeah but in the current position uh if white pushes forward then the black pawn steps forward and there's no way that you'll ever be able to get in with the white king so could you could you okay you have to maybe stop this plan can you can you try to go h4 and g3 but that's the h pawns could be two weeks still so this is this is a very good plan yeah the porn is still going to match up because if there's a trade then suddenly yeah i was wondering whether you could be crafty and try to sacrifice something for the time okay yeah just so that you can get the time to come in with your king you would love to push this pawn forward right right just try and check but it does come at the cost of this guy exactly and so the idea is then okay this okay well they didn't play that maybe after f5 you can try g3 uh this is uh agnes rushing forward with this pawn to act as a blockader you mentioned trying g3 simon pushing the spawn but you just push anyway yeah okay you can put your pawns all on dark squares but the problem is the white king never gets in now um for example just park this bishop in the middle i mean again it goes back to the pawn structure in pieces and uh the king is a piece people forget that the king is a very important piece and black's king on e5 is a much superior piece to white's king and that that is holding the balance uh for magnus do we think this world championships could be 14 draws like the last couple of world championships what do we reckon i just can't see it i can't see it but yeah i think that there will be a lot of draws yes yeah but the way that these two have been playing yeah and uh also the complex the complexity of the positions that they found themselves in i just think it's a matter of time before someone makes a big mistake and there is a decisive result yeah napoleon actually doesn't look happy right now no just had his head in his hands and he's realizing he's just a move or too too slow to create any chances yeah i think you can see there again you can you can read him sometimes and that strikes me as he's giving up winning chances just with that body language and his last move as well not necessarily improving the position just putting his bishop yeah on a they're not allowed to uh overdraw before move 40 but they cannot of course have a move repetition is that what we're about to see you think i've i find that rule very strange that you can't offer it because okay i can understand it in other tournaments where there's lots of players but it's the world championships you know you're playing one-on-one why can't you offer a draw yeah psychology just to tempt your opponent or see what their mindset is yeah just you know i think i find that peculiar rule in the world championships but i'll get myself in trouble again very good at that generally that was a very good point yeah but why why can't they offer a draw there's no one else involved and it's not like they're going to want to play quick draws no you know to have a quick day you know there's no reason to have a quick draw ever so yeah it's strange i've got to say guys i predicted before this game that it would be a roy lopez that it will be a draw in 42 moves so i'm hoping that they get to move 42 i did the same as you but i said 55 so i'm sure you're gonna get there no i don't see it we're not even gonna move forward yet are we we're not even gonna ask what are you doing me neither okay bottom place again although i still have some chances if they somehow find some repetition now they're repeating here bishop c2 bishop b1 is that repetition um well black's paul is now on a difference oh okay okay but they might just look at each other and kind of yeah and say like okay i think magnus is looking at a scoresheet they're maybe looking to see can i offer a draw even i potentially think they can offer no they can't say thank you what would happen if they did would the player who offered the draw be sort of lost so we're not quite there so maybe 42 david maybe i think it might happen on move 40 actually imagine if you get a full score wow that would be impressive that would be very impressive yeah i should mention as well just good strategy there uh i mean a draw will happen but good strategy for magnus carlsen he's got a light-squared bishop so he puts his pawns on dark squares that's uh just something for everyone at home not every bushben game is drawn this one happens to be but uh if you get a chance put your pawns on opposite squares to your bishop your bishop will control the light squares your pawns control the dark squares and also here because white has a light square bishop he cannot target your pawns while they sit on dark squares this is just looking like a draw isn't it i mean uh there's there's no way really either side can do anything you need to get the king in you need to get a past porn uh i don't see how this is going to be possible uh to do so um and yeah see on his face now i know coming at you he he knows there's nothing to be done white will never be in trouble because you have a poor majority three versus two on the right but yeah but yeah uh you can't make any progress either no it should just be a draw and uh the key thing is that uh magnus should not get too ambitious and start pushing pawns i'm thinking primarily of that pawn on h6 shouldn't touch that pawn it's on a dark square if you put it on a light square it will get fixed on the light square and it will be a target for white's bishop oh yeah looking up at magnus okay and then again okay i was wondering about this movie he's putting his pawn on a light square which is not the strategy to do but um which means he's giving up all winning chances uh but i guess he's just going to put his king next to that and just just do nothing literally so uh it's a bad strategy but for here it's okay yeah i mean you know there's no way magnus can get through i mean if the the last move that magnus played he's trying to get his king the only way the black king can get into the position is doing that creepy crawly method into g3 so it sort of comes on the dark squares uh down towards white's pawns but that that will be stopped that will be stopped yeah so is there any kind of i mean if magnus does get his king as far as up as it can possibly go so i'm thinking the h4 square i mean is there any kind of chance that magnus can trick napolmehi because there aren't any waiting moves yeah maybe napoli actually has to be slightly careful here because if okay he has pushed a pawn that's good if he just slid his king across here black's king would come in and uh even if we reach a situation like this it might just be what we call zugswang where any move for white worsens his position if the king steps back the black king comes in if the bishop steps back he has to keep an eye on the spawn then the black bishop comes in and suddenly not easy at all maybe this would even be very strong for black but uh of course janna pogba he's too good to miss such things and he does push this pawn forward uh just a few moments ago he pushed this ball forward to stop the black king coming closer and uh now if we catch up with the play out players they are about to agree a draw i think there's no way in for the black king simply david's going to get a full if you get is it move 42. it's going to be 39. it could be amazing it's going to be 42. you could get you could get there i mean can white play g4 i mean this is the i mean it doesn't really do anything i feel but you you're trying to get a past pawn right so where why you know we could try g3 yeah g4 or g3 i don't know which one is maybe one of these i mean yeah just hoping that there might be a trade and that later the white king can sneak in yeah um i get a passport you know it's an ending but okay this is still a draw even if uh this is played this is still a draw because i don't think white's king can get much further into the position he hasn't even gone for this the underpony actually but uh also even if you push with this pawn i think black can just wait i think this this square is covered and it's about to be a draw let's go back to the players it's a move 42 david oh oh yeah it's going to be forward did you get it with 41. perfect score on uh the magnus natural prediction challenge it's a draw in game three between jan and pognation minus carlsen and uh it's a quick draw let's say here if they talk again today response islands from the playing menu today no discussion no discussion today jana pognyacci is leaving they have only played for two and a half hours right three hours and 42 minutes no oh no it's only four yeah yeah yeah two hours two hours and 45 minutes so it's a uh in classical chess a quite a quick game a quite uh quick draw after 41 moves it is over but this again an interesting game and we were especially um interested in the game following that analysis from the dark web yeah we have so much intrigue right and uh as soon as the game actually veered away from known territory it was actually at this point uh this was where we had to guess the move where simon was worrying sweating about this bishop retreat but um maybe janna pogba actually not so familiar with the ideas maybe he got to this point i mean this is move 20. that's impressive preparation but he didn't know any further and uh this pawn push just felt maybe a bit too slow if he'd step back with the queen magnus would have had to be very careful of potential pawn breaks instead after this pawn push this innocent pawn push it felt like the game was fizzling out but magnus with this pawn push now did manage to equalize quite easily this is the kind of game which i uh i think there's a yes we're gonna head down to tanya for reaction for minus uh that was the norwegian channel asking whenever some questions um you were going to say simon something about the i was going to say before the match this is the kind of game that i thought would happen more often i thought it would be like uh white trying to push looking like he had some advantage but then when magnus has the black pieces defending incredibly well and maybe even well surprising me a bit with the position and the resourcefulness and the position and uh he's gonna be very hard to break down and uh you know to beat if he plays like that with black with e4 e5 i don't know how uh jan's gonna get through but he he seems to do everything very very cleverly there magnus i mean obviously yan played well at the same time uh but this d5 move was perfectly timed and uh he knew the ending was okay okay we're heading down yeah i wasn't thrilled to have this ending but uh i felt that it was generally well within the drawing range and yeah i was happy to liquidate of course to this pure bishop's ending because i get to centralize the king and push push the pawn and create a barrier now at least traditionally world championship hold with black try and push with white seems to be the strategy how do you feel about the positions you've gotten so far with the black pieces happy with the prep happy with the way it's going yeah the positions are are fine pretty much um today um i was trying to play a bit of a bit of a sideline to try and get a game but yeah eventually i just had to how to try and liquidate uh which i guess is what you normally end up doing doing in these positions anyway is that what rookie it was all about yeah rookie eight it's really really dumb it's a really really dumb move because usually you would try to go to rookie 8 without d6 um but yeah it turns out even here he was he was well prepared and he um didn't give me any even slight chances to to to play so i was happy all right and finally three big games tomorrow's arrested relieved yeah um [Music] it's good to get a get a rest day um now i've had two black games um so far so the result is okay but obviously um gotta try and create some chances at some points thanks max finishing off with a smile on his face uh magnus carlsen talking about the game here some notation can you take us through what magnus is talking about david yeah so first of all magnus mentioned the barrier he was happy to set up right at the end and that was actually in the final position just to explain to the viewers once more white simply can't break through white has a better pawn structure but this king is trapped uh it just can't get past these two pawns so um that was the first thing but also right back if we rewind all the way to the opening magnus mentioned this position where he said rookie 8 it's a dumb move but it was his preparation so clearly that's his strategy to surprise his opponent he said it's a dumb move because he could have played this earlier and saved a bit of time but playing it now did well the intention was to lure napoleon out of his preparation it turned out napolita was very well prepared up until move 20 or round move 20 and uh at this point we saw uh later on after the bishop came forward that was where magnus said okay it's fine after white pushed this pawn forward he liquidated he swapped off all the pieces he traded queens knights and everything and eventually got down to the draw so could have been better could have been worse from the world champion's point of view and he's saying it's a good result the two games with the black pieces after the first three games they are still tied jan and pognation magnus carlsen do you think yana pomnyacci simon is happy with the situation after three games um i think he'd be mildly happy um he didn't really get many chances in that game he missed some chances in game two so did magnus he's he did say like with the white pieces this is important that's where he's gonna get his points from he hasn't got a point for the white pieces so uh it just but it just seems very equal to me i mean uh i think both sides have got things they should positives they should concentrate on and uh we'll have to see if magnus can use those white pieces to uh create some chances as he said there in the next couple of games yeah and you were updating us ivanka on every move that was following some opening preparations something that had been analyzed only two days ago what do you think is going on in the two teams right now well i think there will be some words with someone you know as to how this analysis was it was allowed to be available to the public but i mean in the big deal i mean it's not really a big deal i don't think because uh it was just a one-off opening and i do think that magnus will be varying within the rude opposite all right um we will we are waiting for the press conference of course to start where we will also heard from miana pomnyacci usually it starts in 10 to 15 minutes we're gonna head back down to dubai for to rooney who's been i think hanging out with someone who's been at every single world championship match that magnus carlsen has played well hello and welcome to our first installment of our new concept that we call chess players in buggies getting tea we are outside the deck that is inside inside they they are playing and we are here with uh woman grandmaster anastasia kalwich you are the press officer for this event is this correct uh actually not the first officer for this event but i've been the press officer for the previous world championship matches yes nice to see you so nice that you could join us for this uh in the driver's seat we have a eskill famous from the skill segments and please take us away and i will let's talk just a little bit of course pleasure how how many chess world championships have you been at ah good question actually uh my first world championship was in 2010 when we shanand played against whistling tapalo it was in bulgaria in sofia and that was a i was a photographer at that time but since 2012 until 2016 so for the three world championship matches i was the press officer for for the events where magnus actually was taking part so since magnus became the world champion or oh no before that when gelson played with an ant also in 2012 i was there yes and uh after all i was in chennai i was in sochi and i was in new york for in 2016. so you have an a lot of experience at these matches is there anything you would say is different about this one in particular okay first of all we are in dubai you know we're here in expo and i think it's well organized uh world championship match and we have still something is still the same we still have magnus here so it's like the same thing after all and um it's really interesting match i mean literally it's unclear who is going to win and maybe there's something which makes it also very exciting for everybody i mean um taking into account the previous score between these players i mean so i mean looking forward to see how the games will develop thank you very much for the inside it looks like we are getting to the cheap place now so eskel has gotten us to the awesome place where we can have some nice tea thank you very much for the insight and back to you guys in the studio thanks so much it looks so warm and nice down there in dubai tanya is of course also on ground and taking us into the action of everything that's going on quite quick draw today tanya but again a very interesting game guy we've had three draws so far but they haven't disappointed i think today's was definitely more strategic more solid than what we've seen in the first two games but i think we were speaking about this at the start of game three that you know with the rest day coming up the players might have a slightly more solid safety first approach and i think overall a very high class draw played out now there's so much activity going on in dubai there are of course chess players from across the world who've traveled to see the games but not just chess players chess fans have come here as well to enjoy this world championship match in a very iconic venue the dubai expo and i've got one such special guest with me it's eubert menard who's here all the way from malaysia for this match thank you for joining us ubert yeah thank you um it was just out of coincidence actually that i arrived here we had a meeting for a week in the northern emirates and i know these world championships that don't come every day so uh yeah i was just lucky to be here in dubai and i took the chance to come and it's been a wonderful experience actually yeah and the games the games are pretty good actually i think now with the rest day coming i think now uh magnus will have white pieces so maybe we'll see a very explosive game fourth game looking forward to that you were supposed to leave dubai a couple of days ago and then you found out the match is happening and decided to stay back i i knew the match was there but uh you know i took the extra days of course and uh managed to get a ticket as well and uh yeah i'm very happy to be here and meet all of you guys great experience is there is there a player you're rooting for here which one do you have a favorite here a player you're rooting for no not in particular i think is good i think is good any opponent right for magnus is a challenge it's good to see some changes i think jan is a very explosive player so i think it's uh i think even if you see somebody win a game it's long long it's not finished so quickly it's i think it's 14 games right so there's a long way to go and as a chess enthusiast what do you think about the vibe and the atmosphere here in dubai well i mean it comes at the same time as the expo 2020 right so x for 2020 is the biggest one that's ever been uh you know dubai is always the biggest and the largest and so it's the same here i think they did a great job actually i was quite impressed actually with the setup so big so huge uh very comfortable seating a little bit cold though but we got through that otherwise people might fall asleep um it's a long uh i think overall they are pretty good to have it in dubai oh thank you so much it's so nice to hear that you had a good time at the match thank you well that's what it is all about chess fans from all across the world enthusiasts tourists they're all here for the world championship match to witness who will become the next world chess champion tomorrow is a rest day and i'm expecting a big fight as magnus takes on yana pomniacci with the white pieces in game four all right thanks so much tanya and that game will of course also be magnus carlsen's birthday game for in dubai in two days but we are still waiting for press conference now after game three before that 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magnus's calendar as the time to start making his move to start throwing everything at the ponyachi what is rest days about do you think simon in the world championship match um well i know for magnus um it'll be sport he loves doing a bit of sport just uh just feel good um hanging out with his friends i think there's no point like uh looking at loads of lights i mean he's been doing that for his whole life um he's been doing that for the last month i think it's time just to feel good and just to feel relaxed go and go and have a cup of tea with your friends yeah play some football or something that's that's a great way to rest do they do they are at all sort of talk with their teams about preparations or do the team work and the players relax i think in magnus's case i think the team very much does the work and are there on hand to help magnus relax just play as many games as possible because you know one thing about magnus is that he can never fully detach himself away from the game you know you see that even before this world championship match started he was still on blitz websites just uh playing four and a half hours of blitz that's just the way his mind works and he's like working things out so i think he will very much do what simon said you know just relax but then at the same time play some games against his teammates yeah and do you think david that it will be some cleaning up in the teams if it turns out that someone has forgotten to make that analysis private i think for sure there will be some stern words it might not come down to nepogiacci or magnus carlsen to deliver those words to the teammates but i mean the bosses of those teams they will want to make sure that nothing leaks out and it's tiny tiny margins at this level we've seen both players obtain such a high level at an early stage and uh one small slip like that might derail them psychologically or might derail them on the board later in the tournament so yeah i think every little detail at the moment is essential yeah and magnus with the white pieces in game four what will you put in as predictions on uh on the prediction challenge simon i'm i go along with what david said i think this is probably magnus's time in round four because the first three rounds are they're always going to be quite nervous because you're getting into the flow you're trying to get a feel for your opponent get an idea what kind of opening not opening moves but opening ideas they're going to play and now you've got the white pieces you have a rest you play some football you're feeling good and you really want to start pushing and i think having white in round four is is a big big advantage actually to to magnus and i think this is this would be yeah time for him with the white pieces to push but of course jan's playing incredibly well and he's not going to be easy and we saw magnus even over maybe over pressing in the last round so it can go wrong if he if he tries too much so yeah very interesting game coming up what will you put in iranka as predictions ah this is a difficult one actually um i have a suspicion he will continue with pushing his queen's pawn forward i mean he had quite a sharp battle in the game too and uh definitely lots of room for uh diverging there's also lots of room for improvement so it works well i have to say you know he did manage to put napoli actually under pressure so why not stick to the same formula you know we saw napolita again also he stuck to his wallet formula so maybe we're just going to see big battles yeah in the one opening yeah well david we did check the the magnus nepo prediction challenge and even you you weren't able to submit your predictions for the game yesterday and you're still very much uh to the top of the table what was it i think i'm 39th in the world right now but uh there's hundreds maybe even thousands of players competing so uh i'm gutted i didn't put my uh my prediction in yesterday because i would have guessed the right opening and the right result but uh no it's just fun to be a part of it i definitely recommend everyone at home to join in as well join in the fun all right the press conference in dubai is about to start let's head down there just a reminder for the photographers to stay low as we have cameras in the back and for the journalists after we're done with a few preliminary questions to the players you can go to the microphones to the left and right of the room do not touch the microphone and always leave your mask on when you ask any questions while at all of the players jan you had your second white today things was there a point in the game you felt like you might have had some chances it seemed like it petered out pretty quickly well i guess i could roughly say that opening uh ended up in my favor like i got some very slight h but it looked like it gonna be going it's going to be let's say long term um but then well this uh you know if i moved from magnus is i mean positionally surely quite questionable but seems like after some pretty precise problem after some precise moves black can be close to equality and well i mean d4 looks uh absolutely natural and i mean perhaps i mean okay if if i would realize earlier that after d4 and exchanges after bishop six i can't basically prevent d5 star after d5 black has some decent counter play even in the end game i would probably play it differently maybe i don't know some h3 or knight e3 just more slowly but you know after bishop c8 d4 looks like very natural so black has all his pieces on onto the last rank uh but yes i'm half of bishop e6 it's really it's really hard to do something so i spent quite some time and you know probably the best uh the best try i found part of h3os i believe knight d2 move but even then okay uh like for some uh martial like okay we're playing anti-partial but anyway martial like extra pawn uh against two bishops so basically extremely close to a draw anyway so that was it are you feeling any frustration about the fact that you haven't gotten going so to speak with the white pieces yet no i mean okay absolutely no frustration so that's i guess uh it was a clean game and a very logical one and uh you know even in the end game if i would be you know giving attention you know a couple of champions i could pose some problems in this like say bishop end game uh but i mean okay especially once black king center c5 and the 5f4 there is never anything for white but well i mean uh this is you know the current status of the chester yes it's hard to uh to find some some advantage magnus is there anything sexy you could say about today's game uh well i mean there's there's a lot uh that i i could say um but yeah i generally generally agree that um i was obviously making some some fairly ugly moves but it seems all too uh seems all to work out reasonably well at least i couldn't couldn't see any uh concrete way to uh to pose post serious problems so i think i think it was was a reasonably logical game you seem incredibly comfortable with the black pieces so far in this match is that the correct sentiment um i would say um i wouldn't say very comfortable um i feel like i've been trying to trying to equalize in in both games without getting getting a lot of a lot of chances but it's it's okay it's a fairly normal procedure in in these in these matches uh yeah and the the trouble of the white piece is uh you as you made it is documented nowadays it seems very difficult to get advantage with why even after months of preparation what are you going to need to do to to change the trend now that whatever whatever am i going to do the trend will remain the same so that's uh that's not about my preparation or magnus preparation that's about let's say the current uh tierra status uh magnus what's going to be the difference maker you guys seem to be punching it out right now on even terms well it's three games then there's uh there's a lot of a lot of time time to go and as you saw yesterday could easily have been a decisive decisive result so um you know yeah um it could obviously for each game the most likely result is is a draw i mean there's just saying otherwise would be [Music] would be quite uh yeah disingenuous but there i mean any game could could um could explode um just not today one last question for me for you the tension people see draws and they think it's just draws it's not so interesting but you've been a part of these so many years how does attention grow with each draw yeah i should say obviously as the match goes goes along uh with each draw you get you get a bit more intense um but i would say so far yeah it's three games and personally i've been as i've been black and two of them i'm fairly fairly satisfied and there's yeah there's a lot of a lot of time to create something although obviously it's not not ever going to be easy against a very strong opponent all right if i may ask the journalists you have again microphones at both sides of the room here um so so john i wanted to ask you about it one moment so when he played rookie eight were you expecting 95 which is sort of the main line or uh you mean ninety five and center for kate yes was that something you're expecting or was rick rusz ricky eight uh was it a surprise well in some way i expected everything so uh i guess after such long preparation you more or less try to be familiar with most of the moves uh but i'm sure there are also maybe some um worthy tries which uh haven't been played yet but yeah okay rookieh is one of the pretty logical sidelines like this whole plan is very healthy okay bishop f8 h6 yeah so a little bit uh like uh there's a variation yeah but i mean still uh very very nice for black and then to magnus uh i wanted to ask about this moment with h3 um if you if you wanted to play knight d2 was your aim to play d5 um yeah as young as young mentioned uh will after d5 pretty much by force gets um get this ending with um with an extra pawn for white which i thought was just a dead draw so uh even if the bishop you know would come to c3 and pawn on a5 where is your id to reroute the bishop to asics possibly or did you think no i i mean i i thought um the bishop after so eventually after d5 um everything gets taken you take on a5 rook a8 bishop c7 rook a4 um bishop goes to e5 and then c3 and then you you go f6 king f7 h5 um the bishops are just way too strong i think so you were you would say that you're more than willing to go into this end game or did you consider perhaps playing another move to keep things going and maybe perhaps some chances um i hadn't i hadn't decided yet um but i had um yeah i had that in reserve uh at least i i thought so there were there might have been other other options but um it didn't feel realistic that i could that i could actually play for for something so probably that's what i would have done and i know on the first day i asked you about uh sorry we have to give all the journalists an opportunity you can come back on the mic if there are other questions thank you hi uh saranan from chessbase ian in the official commentary uh vishyanan was discussing about your opening strategy to quote him in every match people have tried different strategies against magnus but so far they haven't cracked it eon's strategy seems to be very reasonable his style has been classical he's playing the royal uppers the catalon with black for the moment he is playing the main line that is working for him was this your strategy would you agree with him and do you think it's working for you no but as she said it seems very reasonable for him yes i actually also hope it's reasonable but i guess after three games you know it's too early to discuss the strategy [Music] mikeline with chess.com this question is from magnus carlson magnus this is far from your first rodeo and i know you have processes that have probably been established so i'm wondering how much are you trusting your team for in-match opening improvements or are you still very hands-on in the middle of a match when looking for opening improvements yeah it's an excellent question you know i don't want to don't want to say to um too much but it's always um it's always a combination that obviously you have a you have a good team that you that you trust but um i mean at the end of the day i'm i'm making the making the decisions um hi uh this is john from uh bst from montenegro i have a question for jan about the move h3 how happy were you at this at that point to make that kind of a move can you walk us through the what was going on in your head at that point no i think i surely won't tell you what i was thinking but in general i found out that d5 is likely inevitable and this was a way to improve my position before d5 so maybe i could capitalize on uh that if black would push d5 immediately but i guess also the five workshop should work pretty nicely uh but uh yep somehow after h3c6 uh it's not such a great important temp but h3 could be useful in many lines so i'm not getting mated on the first rank at least thanks i am from the global broadcast of chess24 the question is primarily for magnus and would also love to hear if ian had a reaction it appears that today's game was analyzed in an online database all the way up until move 20 two days ago if this was somebody from your team who forgot to make it private how would you react [Laughter] i i don't think yeah i don't think anyone any of us can reasonably uh comment on that well i i i can only say that normally you try to switch up this uh online cloud option uh in in your chest basement you analyze you have to make sure no one uses and no one uses let's say uh your fruitful analysis but uh i mean uh it could probably be a coincidence as well okay thank you alexander significant russia one my question is for jan and i will ask all right you guys we got an answer to our question kind of what you read out of that david yeah i mean first of all it's nice to see them both smiling i mean you could see magnus's mind racing right he was like oh my god who was it but yeah of course they can't reveal anything in public about who it might have been or what happened but either way it seems it was a bit of a mishap and someone made a bit of a blunder there in his team or john's team oh i have a feeling it might oh no comment yeah i think so yeah the way his his eyes just kind of went and then he laughed and it's like oh so do you think we actually caught it that there has been a mishap i think so yeah i think i think just the reaction there that was the most i've seen him laugh yeah smile with a question so it's a very good question but yeah well daniel vancouver for finding that information yeah i think we should all become detectives right right well and you said it you know definitely modern chess we can actually follow what's been analyzed on an online database and see the game unfold as well is it a shift for chess what we're seeing it's a shift i mean it takes a lot of hard work a lot of time a lot of energy to go and delve into the deep kind of dark corners of all these different openings but at the same time it does make it more exciting for us watching the games to just try and figure out what's going through the players minds what the teams are working on what the coaches are working on and it just adds a new dimension and for that i'm quite appreciative yep all right well it did end in the draw this uh third game in dubai tomorrow's gonna be a rest day let's take a look at the schedule for the chess 24 global broadcast on uh tuesday game four will be the next game magnus carlson will have the white pieces and we start every show at one o'clock pm cet that's four o'clock in dubai that's gonna be seven in the morning in new york tuesday is going to be in the next game game 5 will be on wednesday and then another rest day on thursday before the next games on friday saturday and sunday tomorrow is going to be a rest day how are you going to enjoy that simon in oslo by yeah by resting i guess yeah um i'll probably have a it's a lovely city i'll probably have a little walk down the harbour and uh i hear there's a ski run so i might um go to the top of that and run down that who knows um just see a bit of the scenery i think and just take it easy so yeah and uh personally i can't wait for game four on tuesday but also because it's the birthday day it's magnus carlson's birthday and someone else's birthday as well so uh don't miss it it's gonna be a day of celebration a day of a lot of exciting chess definitely we're going to celebrate both ginger gm simon williams here in the studio and world champion magnus carlson turning 31 years old on awesome turning 31 yeah on day four in the world championship match it's been an interesting day not too long day maybe game four will be a longer one uh it's been nice having you joining us from around the world thanks for watching 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Published: Sun Nov 28 2021