Best Power System In Anime Tier List

I am sorry I had a legit reason this time I had to review the video that goes up tomorrow I have to review the video that goes up tomorrow I feel like that's an okayish reason all right everybody this is a fun topic this is a fun topic I think I think it's a fun topic because it's one I wanted to do for a bit um jackj says I'm so sick of this tier [ __ ] tier list are fun fun I don't know what anybody I don't care what anybody else says cheer list are fun cuz like um uh it's it's uh it's a nice way to rank things without having to get to um get to in the weeds with ranking things because a tier is a broad category right you don't have to be too strict every every uh hard lined here or there you know Yousef says Lord's going to disrespect Naruto this stream calling it hey look chakra is better than hockey all right anybody who thinks I'm coming in to to do this stream to disrespect other series I'm going to tell you right now whatever the lowest tier is that's where one piece is going unless Oda does some crazy stuff to revamp our understanding of hockey over the course of this final Saga to make everything suddenly click and mesh perfectly like you you can't get on my case for disrespecting other series here because I'm I'm going to do the courtesy one piece is great at many other things it is the best shown in manga in many categories best Manga in many category categories for sure its power system is not one of them and I say that as somebody who has made several videos in the past trying to defend trying to break down hockey misconceptions and such gone through the entire series pulled out panels examples of things that are like people say are contradictions that aren't actually contradictions Etc and I think at some point over the course of Egghead Island between the Kobe honesty impact thing and Luffy and Zoro versus the seraphim and are they using it or not and then zoro's Hellfire Flame or not against Luchi somewhere in the last 20 chapters I just said forget it forget it there's no point there's no point there's why defend this what's the point what's the point I straight up put like a a poll during the Zora Hellfire flame scenario with Luchi being like is Zoro using Advanced conqueror hockey or not it was during one of these streams and uh it was split straight down the middle it was like a 50/50 thing no sorry it was like 30% yes 30% no and then 40% we don't know I'm not defending hockey anymore you just just there's no there's no defense for it it's just like how do you is Zoro using the most important PowerUp that he's had in the entire story right now is he using that at this moment in time or not yes confident no confident we don't know overwhelming majority not overwhelming majority but largest of the three categories if it was a democracy we don't know would be the winner right so uh like there's it's just not a thing in any other story where it's like okay is is Naruto using Sage Mode right now we don't know is Gojo using domain expansion right now oh we don't [ __ ] know is go Goku using Super Saiyan 50 right now we don't know no you always [ __ ] know it's only in one piece where it's just like we don't know can consistently win polls I guarantee there's several if I did for Kobe's honesty impact right when it came out we don't know would win several like it would win several polls if I was like what's he using right now Armament hockey Advanced Armament hockey Advanced conquer hockey what's he doing Rio Level One Rio Level Two we don't know would probably be the final winner it's I'm not defending chakra either but at the very least there's almost no point in Naruto where I'm like well I don't know what the [ __ ] they're using you know what I mean Breezy 2x is the mix of devil fruits and hockey is one of the best Power Systems I think it's one of the best thematically and it's one of the best in terms of uh like it's one of the best in terms of just concept and ideas and I like the the the contrast between what both represent um but in terms of just having a a consistent power system it's it's kind of kind of pointless minu Wang says morge plush in the back looking shell shocked uh I think that's just the way he's tilted right now actually no he always has that expression let's get the stream likes up to 100 real quick let's get the stream likes up um I got to find a good tier list first we don't yeah yeah I I don't really know what the full scope of things I'm going to include in is like are we including Avatar I'll just find whatever I can find and see what we see what we do yeah then you got stands which are I would argue also not very well explained either um in many aspects cuz sometimes he'll be like here's some rules and then to Jojo's series later he's like I forgot those rules um Stardust Crusader is a classic example like we're told certain things about STS and Stardust Crusaders that never turn out to be canon in future arcs basically but that doesn't mean that STS are a bad power system because it's kind of what you get out of it hockey is different in the sense like with STS it kind of get got to a point where it's like okay the rules don't really matter each stand has its own individual rules and we just roll with that right so that ends up making for some really really great fights with one piece it's like any series that's trying to implement a clear power system it has to basically like if you're trying to do it you have to kind of do it right you know stands are kind of like what devil fruits were if you think about it STS are very similar to what devil fruits were in that you don't have a you know you have some you have the categories of devil fruits and such but very early on in the story we we didn't know too much about the categories of devil fruits all we knew was basically a guy shows up with some bizarre ability he explains it to us I'm a doorman and I can open up doors and walls and floors and ceilings and stuff but not just that I can open up doors in people I can turn your face into a door I can open up doors to travel to a different dimension and coming back to this Dimension it's just a wacky zany random ability and uh we deal with it and it's part of the fight and that's cool it's kind of like what stands were initially everyone's just got their own thing what are the rules of the if each thing they're all different Michael cerr thanks for the five first comment devil fruits are one of the best hockey is one of the worst there's a spider on me hold up hockey in theory is hockey is my favorite concept for the record let me defend hockey a little bit because I've talked about hockey in past videos I I don't want people to come at me for for saying things about one piece for hockey because I've done videos in the past defending one piece in terms of hockey the most recent one I did was why Advanced conquer hockey is so confusing I think that one's fair but in the past I've done like what everyone gets wrong about hockey talked about like misconceptions and such um I've done a video talking about Luffy's like uh I did a video addressing people's critiques at one point like is hockey a bad power system question mark and I addressed a lot of the critiques that people commonly had and tried to offer my rebuttal this was three years ago but I'm at a point where it's just like it's hard to hard to say that much good about hockey at this point outside of I love the concept because it fits the theme of the story so well right hockey is your spirit right one piece of story about Spirit Drive ambition the fact that one Spirit drive and ambition can literally become the weapon that you fight with right the strength of your spirit correlates directly as you train it to the strength of you to your own ability I think that that is a great idea I think it fits the story really really well uh I don't know if Oda needed to add so many additional rules to it at the end of the day [Music] uh St shako thanks for being a member for 14 months power system/ scale in Cory in the House is goated true you know what they had like a this wasn't Cory in the House I think this was that so raven I think I remember an episode where like they there was like a lot of pingpong power scaling going on cuz like Corey's dad Cory and Raven dad was like the ping pong state champion or something like that and he just had a belt for it or like a trophy and then that annoying tiny kid showed up you guys know the one if you've seen Cory in the House or That's So Raven at all he showed up and then he beats Cory's dad he beats everybody in the house and then Raven's random like perpetually uh High friend Chelsea shows up and she just beats the kid and I was like the power scaling makes no sense so was she just like better than the state champion at ping pong by like a long shot all this time why why is she just better but that's just there was a whole episode where a lot of the power scaling mattered when it came to ping pong so you're right and it was an engaging episode from what I remember I was like who's going to beat this kid why is this kid so good I don't understand cloak thanks for the five even with devil fruits it's basically everyone gets a random power which we've seen in 1000 series pre and post one piece from X-Men to my hero Academia hockey plus devil fruit is C tier at best yeah yeah maybe I don't know I I like Devil fruits just because I thought that a lot of them are funny and a lot of them are wacky um so I don't know uh I maybe I I don't know we'll we'll get to the list in a second Justin Holland thanks for the five Dragon GARP and Luffy with a and Sabo all have roles to play For Better or Worse in the coming war and revolution love duality of devil fruits and hockey I like The Duality as a concept and there's a video I've been wanting to do for a while about thematically why it's so good but uh I wish how they I don't think I have any issues with devil I mean I think Awakening maybe we could get a little bit more context on but for the moment it's fine it's whatever I wish we could understand a little bit more not a little bit more I wish we could [ __ ] understand like I wish just the rules for hockey were we we know the rules for hockey I'm sorry we know the rules for hockey but the distinguishers right the distinguishers understanding when they're being used maybe a bit more clarification why this is not used at some point or this is or this isn't Etc like people to this day are like in the upcoming Final Saga just because it's not garp's era anymore kind of like I don't expect really to play the biggest role um I wouldn't be surprised if garus played one of the bigger roles that he just that he had already which was the haosu rate freeing Kobe freeing the future of the Marines yada yada um sabba will definitely have a huge role to play Stanley Barton thanks a lot morge why do yam and katakuri have conquer his hoaky I think they fit um I mean katakuri is just one of the most strong willed like stoic unbreakable spirits that we've ever seen in the entire story he never the man well he did actually he did take siestas very often but throughout battle like throughout his battle history and such he never even let his back touch the ground like that's a very conquer hockey Spirit us conquer hockey users are written with a sort of Larger than Life Will and I use that phrase a lot like Larger than Life but that is what one piece characters are kind of written like like these very grandiose almost mythical figures and that's very much how kakur is written like very very just unreal sense of determination resolve Etc throughout his life and that's just how he lived it and that's his conqueror hockey right uh Yamato we don't really get to know Yamato that well but it's just understood that she has really really strong will right um likely inherited from kaido um just a very strong bu character we can just assume that I suppose at the end of the day uh yeah Michael Kurt thanks for the five first stands are basically the best of fruits and hockey if you ignore the inconsistencies I don't think stands are really similar to hockey I mean they are in that it's your spirit technically but I don't think there's a huge correlation in stands like in hockey the stronger your spirit the more likely you are to have first of all in the first place to be a born conqueror hockey user and then the stronger that is then the higher your Heights can go as a conqueror hockey user I think hockey is more onetoone combination of your drive your ambition Etc being your your manifested spirit in terms of attack power or whatever stands I don't think there's a hard correlation in that oh the stronger your spirit the stronger your stand necessarily like we see that with certain outliers and this is mild this is very mild JoJo spoiler I'm not going to spoil which stand who has what stands or whatever but certain characters have like main characters like jotaro extremely strong stand uh the main villain as you guys might know do extremely strong stand but then there's other characters that don't have like roke stands NE like it's not like like you can have lots of villains that have strong stands but the villains are kind of weak willed or you know um more weasly characters you can have characters that happen to have really strong stands that themselves aren't necessarily written as the you know uh as the most the most tough driven mentally strong characters and such I think there's more of a variance there there's probably some level of correlation that the you know characters with a certain level of resolve conviction Etc and JoJo's might be more likely to have some of the more broken stands but I think it's a much much much softer cord like it's not like hockey where hockey it's just straight up you know um lofy we know is going to have the best conqueror hockey in the verse at the end of the day because he has the strongest Drive ambition Spirit at the end of the day you know um but I see there's a a correlation tuna up thanks for the five fire force is the most underrated power system it starts off seemingly limited because the power comes all from fire but gets so creative as it goes so it's very funny that you bring that up because you know what I watched last night before I went to sleep I watched fire Force episode like five and six or something like that I don't know why I decided to watch fire force oh here's why I decided to watch fire force I felt in the mood I I tried watching like a few episodes of fire force once and then I stopped because it just seemed it felt boring is a lazy critique but I don't feel like putting more thought into it at the moment but it just wasn't that interesting to me it was it felt boring and particularly the power system of fire seemed really really really boring to me because it's just in fire force everybody's ability is fire it's different uses of fire but ultimately everybody's ability is fire right I am starting to see that uh there's some variation to it obviously but you're going to need a lot more I think to keep me interested at this point I'm I'm going to give it a few more episodes the reason I watched fire force even though i' like barely tried it once and then kind of dropped it the reason I tried it was because I really wanted to watch uh Juju T kaisen last night I was like everybody's talking so much about how good the season is must be really well animated and stuff I've read this Arc in the manga so I know what happens but people are talking about the animation and like the sequences being amazing so I was like I really want to watch that but then I was like I'd rather binge it all when it finishes okay let me watch something else is there any other like random shown in anime out there that I haven't seen that's out there I just wanted to watch like characters beat each other up with like some high LEL animation right so I was like is there anything that's like a shown in anime out there that I haven't seen that has like like it's going to give me some like good animated fights or something like that that I can watch like a couple episodes of before I go to sleep that was my thought process so I was like scrolling and scrolling was like slowly as starting to the horrible realization was beginning to dawn on me which was like [ __ ] it's just fire force isn't it that's the only thing I can watch it's it's just fire force that's all that's out there at this point in time so I watched two episodes of fire force it was uh uh I don't know uh I believe that it gets better I believe that they come up with more interesting ways to use fire I haven't seen it yet um I I I'm really curious why the Creator decided to lock himself into the concept that everybody in the verse is basically just a fire user and just rolled with that cuz it seems like a very limiting concept I'm really curious why I know that it connects to Soul Leader so maybe it's something related to Soul Leader stuff but I was just I like why would you do this to yourself that makes things so you're making it so much harder on yourself than than it needs to be right am I crazy it's like why why do it I it's got to be something Story related that that makes sense down the line I don't know uh Tad thanks a lot Kaku was 48 and two in to show his mouth Sanji greater that's true he was too insecure to show his mouth that is true um but come what's wrong with him being 48 I think people rag on him for being 48 uh and like living with his mom at whole like that's not what it was I mean maybe I'm inserting that part but I've heard people joke about kodri like 48 to living with his mom it's like first of all in other cultures it's okay to still live with your family right second of all like todal land is an Empire it's a gigantic Empire and he happens to rule as he happens to be a person on that Empire you know like part of that Empire you know it's not like he's living in big mom's basement um anyway oh let's get the stream likes up to 100 real quick toi thanks for the five please tell me you read jiit to kais manga because cursed energy is Peak right now can't spoil but it's like a mix of stands and even more refined n system I have begrudgingly begun to respect jiujitsu kaizen's uh Power System more I still think it really really really overdoes it with the number of rules that it like how contrived its system is to to I I feel like it definitely adds in a lot more rules than necessary to try and make for clever scenarios that aren't really that clever in my opinion when a new rule is written in or explained right before the exception of the rule is written in like right afterwards I I don't know however uh you know I went I reread that certain fight that happens down the line in jitu kaisen um I'm not up to date in the most recent chapters but I did read that big fight I reread the whole thing I was like you know what in the moment maybe as being too negative about it I think it is re I I don't think we will get another manga fight event like this that kind of has a ripple effect where everybody on all manga anime spheres are talking about it even like there's memes that are going past just the manga anime sphere Etc I like the pulled off something really special and I think that that's something that was only doable with Juju to kaizen's power system um because it's only with that power system that you can have so many convoluted back and forths and like rules and blah blah blah and then this happens and then that happens but then the exception to this and that blah blah blah blah blah Etc like you can only really do it with that so Not only was it a very hyped up fight it did ultimately live up to people's expectations um I understand a lot of people hated the ending but I think a lot of people are adjusting to being okay with that being the ending at this point although I don't know maybe that's still a sore spot but uh at the end of the day you kind of got to sit back be like wow that I can't really think of a fight similar to that that had that was that long that kept readers engaged for that long and it kept people talking about the series for so long even outside of the usual fandom so I'm like yeah you can only really do that with a power system that that offers so much um uh so much uh intricacy to to go back and forth over even if I think it is a little overly convoluted and contrived points but uh you know it is it was definitely something ground breaking for for manga Justin H thanks for the five during my post your stream cut to the end of your explanation repeat your answer um what was your let me take a look at your question again then we'll get get back to the answer oh I think you were you were asking about GARP Dragon Ace and Luffy if I remember was your question right let me just double check you you said ace Sabo Etc um yeah your question was Dragon GARP and Luffy all have roles to play right I think you probably caught me talking about devil fruits and hockey as for GARP dragon and Luffy all I said was basically uh I think GARP may have played his main role already because his era is kind of over it's not really garp's era anymore I I think we got the big GARP sequence at the end of the day already with the haosu raid and him basically like he got to fight a whole Yono crew plus aliji that's about as impressive as it gets and he freed Kobe he freed the whole future of the Marines I feel like that was the passing of the torch moment I feel like we maybe got the big GARP role the big role that he had to play I feel like we got that would be happy to be surprised because I really like GARP if he does more but I wouldn't be surprised I wouldn't ask for too much more from that character it's no longer his era his role he's probably P that right pass that on to Kobe Etc G Dragon and Luffy will of course play a big role and I think Sabo will play Sabo has to play a big role he's the face of the Revolution at this point kind of embarrassing for Dragon who's who's been doing this [ __ ] for a long time but now sab's the face but anyway could I do a video about fate and Free Will in the future so honestly I try like there was a video that I wanted do to do at one point about fate in one piece and um then the whole gear fifth stuff happened and it was basically kind of it gets Messier because we over the course of wano it became more and more clear we always knew that there was prophecies and the will of D Etc but just how concretely Luffy is the chosen one the born Chosen One some people even think he's Joy boy reincarnated Etc I think some of that still needs to be understood and the degree to which one piece is leaning into at the very least Luffy was chosen by the fruit we understand and at the very least we understand that Luffy is about to play out a role the role of Joy boy that he was always sort of um that somebody was always meant to play and it seems like he was the person who was finally born who's able to play it but we do need to get a better understanding I think of how uh how hard Odo wants to lean into Luffy is just born the chosen one like from day one his Destiny he is going to defeat emu free the world blah blah blah blah blah and that's just scripted for his character it feels a little out of place for someone like Luffy who's all about following his own path and not anybody else's path or not any predetermined path so for me at the moment I think we just need to wait and see where the story goes with those ideas I don't think I could do a great analysis right now because because with an analysis you're trying to figure out what the main message of the story is like what the author is trying to communicate right I don't think our oda's message regarding fate Destiny and Free Will has been clearly articulated yet and I think that question is still hanging so I could do a video positing what I think but I don't think we're at a point where the ideas are 100% clear and I think that we'll actually probably be going further towards the end of the story to understand that uh Stanley Barton thanks for the five the D ding wheel Flames are one of the best Power Systems in anime basically just a much better version dying will Flames dying will Flames dying will Flames is this fire force stuff because I don't know if I'm at a point where I understand what dying will Flames mean um basically just a much better version of chakra usage conception and variety I don't know what that means yet basement dweller katakuri see some stuff that just got deleted William Marshall thanks for the five what will it take for an arc to be solidly better than any slobby I feel like how Oda writes Drama characters and pacing final Saga is final chance I mean a lot of readers will tell you that V has already done arcs better than any slobby any slobby remains my favorite Arc my personal favorite Arc and I can tell you that at the very basic level for me for me personally what would it take for an arc to pass up for me personally any Lobby would be an arc where what any slobby did really really well was uh look at the end of the day every one piece Arc it's going to conclude with the straw hat every major one piece Arc is going to conclude with the straw hats beating the bad guys right I always will feel that a story where the good guys beat the bad guys is the most dramatic when you can actually focus on on that cast of characters that is going to beat the bad guys and uh write in a really really really compelling Drive motivation first of all a really really compelling conflict like inner like a character conflict that they are all experiencing that they overcome in the process of defeating those bad guys and write a really really powerful driving motivation need Etc to defeat the bad guys and resolve this conflict right to date I think any slobby that Arc that is the most basic explanation I can give right to date like you can ignore if you want to take away like themes you know uh uh like all the EX extraneous subex subtext lore reveals blah blah blah Etc um at the most basic level for me the more powerful you can write a character Conflict for the heroes and then um the the greater rise back up that you can have the greater Drive motivation Etc need that they can have to then Vanquish the bad guys right thereby completing the thereby resolving the character conflict that they initially had the better that you can do that simple concept that simple storytelling concept that is the more enjoyable story for me right that's really what I actually ultimately look for in Shonen storytelling um so for me for the final Saga to pass up anyast Lobby it would probably have to pose a much deeper more personal more visceral Conflict for the straw hats like dig in the way that any Lobby did like dig in make them feel the weight of this drama make them experience like something heavy and really bring out the most I guess the most personal need or desire to basically for them to to step up and have to like why are they fighting the gors why are they fighting the the world government why they're trying to or be Blackbeard whatever the Blackbeard pirates that might be even more personal why are they doing that really dig into that really have them go through something and then that's going to make it all the more dramatic for me when they rise up and actually uh succeed in vanquishing both their internal stuff that they're going through and the actual villains that they're going up against for me to date any Lobby is still the most satisfying of that right um so if if the final Arc can top that in some manner which I think would be very difficult then it would pass any Lobby for me in my personal favorite arcs my personal favorite arcs everyone has their own preferences I'm just telling you what I love out of one piece and what I would love to see I do think final Saga has a solid chance though because final Saga in theory also focuses on the straw Hat's um dreams they driving ultimate motivations right uh I think as long as that stuff can come into play I think that there's a great chance for final Saga to to be you know like this is the Saga that we're going to get to see Zora become the world's greatest swordsman right in theory this could be the Saga where we see Chopper have to cure um Luffy in some disease or something right uh in theory this is the Saga I mean this should be the Saga where Robin's finally able to learn the true history right as long as there's fitting charact like fitting character conflicts that go along with all of these things right that make them experience something dramatic you know if they just get handed like if Robin reading the true history is just it's just like a standard situation of like oh we got too here's some pony GS read oh we got to fisherman Island here's some pony GS read I hope we get something character-wise for her right um and then that then gives her a drive to want to help defeat the world government or whatever to resolve whatever she read in the true history these are just examples but putting the main characters through something um and giving them a really strong Drive motivation need to uh defeat the villains I think that that's one piece is greatest strength um and arcs like any slob is greatest strength leoo thanks for being a Yono member for eight months I think Avatar had an underrated Showcase of their power system we see each element's fundamental values and Ang having to implement those into him Avatar is a tricky one CU it's like I loved Avatar growing up and the power system was simplistic but it was always because it's because largely the way that it's implemented was martial arts it always felt just visually watch like it's an extension of martial arts right so it always felt like a lot of the nuances of Avatar's fighting was unspoken because you could see you could visually see how certain Earth Benders would fight different than other Earth Benders you could visually see how certain water benders would fight different than well well there's not a lot of water but like you know certain fire Benders would fight like even if you ignore like let's pretend um uh variations like blue fire lightning uh metal bending ice pretend those variations don't even exist you could take all that out you could still just see the differences between how someone like Zuko might fight versus someone like iro might fight right that was always really really cool to me about Avatar that it it very much felt like an extension of martial arts therefore you can visually see just it's not just even especially between two types of bending right it's not just the type what they're shooting out it's how they're moving how the characters are animated it's vastly different like their approach to fighting like more defensive versus whatever so I really really appreciate Avatar's power system for that um and then of course as the series went on it added more intricacies and variations right uh you can create Mist you can create like they even did stuff with clouds and stuff like that right so Avatar is a tricky one to evaluate um we'll get to it when it get when we get to it if it ends up on the tier list at all um I'm going to pull it up in a second agenda pirate thanks for the five how do you think Jujitsu kaisen is not is contrived but not stand SL n they have many situations with a bunch of complex rules and exceptions introduced mid battle yeah I mean I I've never said that nen is perfect uh I I don't think nen is that great either in many ways like I think that there's no how do I say this everything is relative right there's just because you can see the flaws in certain Power Systems at the end of the day it's like okay but what's there in manga that's better because at the end of the day manga writing and I think people forget this but manga writing is inherently going to have lots and lots and lots of like little holes and hiccups and forgotten things because it's being written at a Breakneck Pace right this is not like a fantasy book I've I've heard that deep fantasy books have really good layered Power Systems and stuff like that but these aren't those right because books novels movies Etc you get time to sit down and write right over an extended period of time and refine manga it's written like this right it's like if I'm making up rules for this magic system right and I'm putting out a chapter and I'm putting out a chapter this week and then the next week and the next week and the next week I might not remember exactly what I wrote like 45 weeks ago and if that happens to maybe contradict what I wrote like 90 weeks before that or something like that you get what I'm say like it's it's all done at a Breakneck pace so sure while Hunter Hunter is in a certain Arc it's going to be focusing a lot on like here's the six uh or like the four principles of nen or something like that and here's the six types of nen and stuff and over time bits and pieces of that are going to be more or less important because the author doesn't have every single thing perfectly planned they're just writing what feels good in in the moment and bits and pieces they're going to realize are less relevant down the line they might even forget something down the line might forget a rule down the line so that's the tricky part with complex Power Systems so I think Nan and jutu kaisen Nan and what do we call cursed energy or whatever they're equally you know like they both have a lot of flaws holes whatever you want to say but at the end of the day it's like what's still better more advanced than more advanced more interesting than a lot of the more basic Power Systems like at say they're still B both better than chakra right um that's why I've got such a problem with hockey because hockey is really not that complicated it's actually one of the more basic ones like Oda finally added some rules to the power system and it's just like how why should something like this that's this it's it's relatively simple really like it's so like if you compare hockey to nen nen has a million more rules that are thrown into it hockey has way less rules it's like dude you should be able to keep track of this like not even just keep track you should be able to communicate what's going on a lot easier than like this should be easier than trying to write a a nen fight or a Jujitsu kaisen fight but it's like we we literally don't know to this day what zor is doing against Luchi at this moment in time we don't know it's it's unclear it's just like that that's just bizarre to me party mcfl again that's not a knock on like like that's not to say that these serers are better than one piece right people like One Piece is not going to be better in every category than every other manga this is not one of its greatest strengths just I just don't think it is um STS though I'm surprised you brought up St because Stans is different because Stans kind of took the Approach at a certain point which is just like nothing matters uh it's all just random [ __ ] so I kind of roll with that because if we want to evaluate STS by like oh this broke the rules that Stardust Crusaders set up like in part three it's like yeah then we got a lot of stuff to say about St stands but at the same time at a certain point Series has gone on so long I think readers have understood that there's not a lot of rules to stands outside of the individual rules that each stand has and that's really what the fights are about so it's more so what the power system has become than technically what it was established to be uh Once Upon a Time party McFly thanks for the five would you do a tier list ranking the best arcs from each shown in series like shabuya incident versus stent exams versus whatever the best Arc of JoJo is I would probably not do that cuz I think that could get very very that's too controversial and it's also just really not controversial it would just it would cause too many fights it would cause too many fights and it's also really hard to I think it's really hard to do that okay if I'm ranking just the best arcs from each Series right then I think that's doable because it's like each series take their best Arc and then rank it against each each other for a moment I read that as like rank all arcs from all series against each other and I'm like man I don't even [ __ ] remember what happened in like this Arc of like like X Arc of Attack on Titan or something but if it's like the best arch series I could see that but then I don't know um that'll be controversial for sure there'll also be recency bias on my part because some things I've just forgot like I mentioned Attack on Titan I haven't read Attack on Titan in a while uh versus I've read Shibuya incident in the last couple years so I don't know leoo thanks for being young I'll consider that that's a that's an idea I'll consider that leoo no we covered you um this Japanese name name that I feel like you've contributed before but I don't know because before someone's contributed from Japan that post their comments in Japanese who have to translate but your comment is in English so I'm sorry I don't know your name but I appreciate it Hearts from Japan morgie Avid V from 2020 nice to hear from you I wish Wish One Piece English and Japan could be more intertwined unluckily unlucky any Japan scan sites would be nuked by shisha even if Japan were okay with them there's definitely portion that wants early scans here too well there's going to be portions of people that want everything everywhere from what I've heard people in Japan hate people that like read scans and such so I'm just like okay I'm sorry that we ruined that for you but if other people on early scans they at the end of the day it's like if you had the option to read something a bit early most people would just take it but I know that a lot of people over there really hate us for it so I don't know what the consensus is man um Breezy 2x thanks for the five if the ending drops the ball how will that affect how you view the rest of the series I've always said that it varies in terms of what dropping the like what what does a bad ending like what does a bad ending mean because there's a sliding scale there's I think there's three levels of what I view as a bad ending for me personally right one is yuu Haka show ending okay YuYu hacker show ending spoilers for yuu it's really not a big deal I promise you this isn't a big deal it's it's just I'm saving you some [ __ ] time don't read yuu Haka show if you care about endings the ending yuu Haka show is offscreen the entire ending is offc screen there's a big tournament that the entire final Saga is building towards and then uh deashi no longer wants to write it so he offs screens it and there's just like an Abrupt chapter at the end which he just explains exact what happened over the course of the tournament and who won [ __ ] random ass side character won that we just met um so uaka show ending if it ends like that I will it it really [ __ ] up one piece for me man it really really does move one step over and we have the bleach ending again Howe blood War looks like it's going to fix bleach's ending because the author is coming in in adding much more new material stuff that he wished that he could have added before he has gone on record saying that he ended it faster than he would have liked lot of bleach fans push back on their and they're like well it's not cuz bleach was getting cancelled uh he just had to do it for health reasons or something it's like okay I don't care what the reason was regardless Kubo had to end uh bleach much earlier than he would have liked right so it it the entire ending got really really rush and compressed most bleach fans are okay with admitting this now at one point in time they're very defensive about this but most fans are okay with admitting this now that the ending is terrible and terrible and terrible and extremely extreme extremely extremely extremely rushed um because now they get a doover with um with Thousand-Year blood War so now it's like okay now that we actually get a good ending we can stop pretending that that terrible ending was okay right so the bleach ending the rushed ending if one piece gets that I think I'd probably be pretty disappointed and I'd probably it would definitely definitely greatly affect my previous love of the series but I think I would still be able to go back and enjoy like previous parts of it like pre- time skip or something and then I could pretend like there would be maybe little bits of the ending that I could take away as like kind of enjoyable but I'd probably feel like a lot less investment in the straw hat stories if those got short changed and things like that so if it's a bleach and if it's a u hak show ending then one piece is kind of dead to me if it's a bleach ending then it's kind of like okay I'd still look back fond at parts of the series but a lot of it would just ring Hollow and finally you have the Naruto Ending Naruto's ending while not great and not good in my opinion ultimately I don't think it left many loose ends or anything like that and ultimately I think like the main things that people wanted like Naruto Sasuke Sakura their [ __ ] got closed out Kakashi got some stuff like we got questions answered right it mostly did what it needed to I guess it just people didn't really like what happened or how it went down if one piece is ending ends like that I would actually view it as basically one piece kind of sticking the landing just because the final Saga is so ambitious like one piece is so much more so much larger so much more ambitious than Naruto if it's able to get like a Naruto level ending I would count that as a win even though I wouldn't like the ending I'd be like okay we didn't [ __ ] up the whole thing entirely it's like good enough so I could still view one piece as a very impressive epic in its own right if that makes sense does that make sense so you've got a uu haak sh level ending I love for one piece is dead bleach level ending a lot of it rings Hollow now but maybe it's uh you know I I could still like it in parts and kind of just would feel less attachment to certain story lines or whatever that I know end up not mattering Naruto level ending I'd be like okay you know what that's not as bad as it could have been we'll take it we'll leave it so the good news is one piece of ending seems like it's going to be better than any of those three endings the final Saga seems like it's one piece firing at all cylinders firing on all cylinders at the moment I would say Egghead Island at least is and um yeah I think there's tremendous potential for a really good ending here so I don't think we have to worry about that too much the only thing that could get in the way at this point is oda's health health sorry Jack D slime thanks for being a yon cach your member for two months has anyone said the Titans from Attack on Titan I can't think of any flaws for that power system that's not a power system man I mean I guess it is is I think everything's a power system at a certain point um um Talla thanks uh Google alamy Miss born's power system novel yeah people say that like fantasy books have the best Power Systems and such uh I could believe that oh [ __ ] am I doing with this uh Eric trato thanks for the two how do you feel about Obito versus Kakashi oh I tweeted about that so a lot of people think that I was saying that it's a bad fight it's not a bad fight it's a really really good fight for Naruto but then there's some people that are like well no it's a really good well animated fight in general it's a great animated fight it's a great fight let's say that but a lot of people are like oh it's the best fight in anime it's like it's not even the best fight in Naruto uh it's it's a great you know little snippet of hand-to-hand combat for sure um I think a lot of people really really like it because of the emotion and the flashbacks and such uh I think Obito's and I think Obito and pretty much everything related to Obito is [ __ ] stupid as [ __ ] so to me it's just like damn they really went hard trying to make this very artistic and emotional for something that's really [ __ ] corny and stupid so to me that part doesn't hit so I'm just like okay it's it's cool for how how grounded and um how how grounded and detail they went with the the the actual taitu right that's what they say in Nar the taitu that they're that they're going for I thought that that's great one of the best fights in Naruto for sure probably one of the best bits of like hand-to-hand combat that you will see in uh anime period but uh when I think of great anime fights I think of fights that are actually visually fantastic things that yeah you know like I always say to me animation is about imagination right show me something fantastic show me something uh detached from reality right the departure from reality show me something that I can't get out of live action right uh to me that the Brilliance of great anime fights when you know it doesn't even have to be about superpowers and stuff but just how are you moving the camera right what's the what are the camera angles that are being chosen is it stuff like are you doing things that are more Dynamic that can be than can be um actually shot in a traditional action movie right how are using colors the color palette right uh these things like the perspectives that are being shown the cuts that are being done um there's a lot that can be done with anime that that makes the medium unique and makes it something that that makes it its own art form right I think a fight like Nar or sorry Kakashi versus Doo great you know like I respect that animation quite a lot great imitation of of liveaction fighting you know liveaction grounded hand toand combat but uh I would never look at that and be like wow this is the Pinnacle of what animation can do or like this is the true value of the medium because it's not right it's more so like look we can animate to mimic something really realistic and grounded and do that really well it's like great but ultimately that's not the best that the medium can offer in my opinion um remix King thanks for being a yon again still a great fight because lots of times change of pace right you don't always need superpowers and like crazy movement visual flare Etc great great great fight but uh uh I think definitely overrated by uh anime fans in the grand scheme of things um remix ging thanks for being a Yono tier member for 10 months made the tier list so you use a low so you use a low quality quality1 chat let me know if any anime is missing while more just stalling oh let me take a look at this what did he say oh okay cool cool cool cool let's take a look let's take a look um all right let me let me share this with you guys thank you remix King I appreciate you being a yon tier member for 10 months and I appreciate you making this tier list um I I shouldn't have said for Naruto it's great by any standard it's great by any standard um because Naruto has really good fights okay um let's see let's take a look at this so the problem is that okay what have I what have I watched slre the problem is I can't do ones that I haven't seen and I there's a lot that I haven't seen is the thing why is God of high school here why is God of high school here why I kind of only want to do ones that have like an actual power system like for example one punch man it's not really a power system you know what I mean like characters just have and like we got a great Pokemon I feel like Pokemon fans are just going to say Pokemon's the best because you could argue Pokemon is the best right because it's just it's the most it's the power system that gets people the most obsessed I guess cuz of the games or whatever but you know people are really into Pokemon [ __ ] uh why is kaguya Sama here what is you did this wrong remix King this was a this was a poor job I appreciate the effort this was a terrible job why what what why is Kya SAA here I don't even know what this is Avatar's in there cool uh I haven't read toico seven deadly sins I only kind of know not an NPC you with the suspicious name thanks for the 20 as a big fantasy reader I've always wanted Oda to go back after he finishes and edit story cleaning up Arc decisions but this also feels like blasphemy what's your thoughts almost a Dragon Ball super no I would not want Oda to do that um even for like random little things that uh like there's random little things I'm just like okay he could have pel die or something like that right but I feel like one piece one piece is what one piece is now I I feel like there's no Arc that's terribly botched you know like it' be one thing here's the thing I think Oda always gets to do what he ultimately wants to do for the most part I think even it's even been said that the editors can't stop him now so it's like he got to do what he wants to do I think it's a different case like if he changes his mind as he's older or something like that I wouldn't want him to do that to go back and change things because you're a different person then and you're taking your new vision of the story to go back and change your old vision of the story but it's like I don't care what your vision of the story is now I'm interested in the guy that I was like the person whose story I was reading week to week for these years like that person right uh the guy that you were from East blue like 1997 all the way to the end of one piece like the the creative mind that was coming up with all that that's just a story for better or worse that's what I want to read like if in 20 years he's like ah you know what like because at that point you're a different person your mind has changed about things you probably think about ideas differently maybe you're like oh I could make the themes of East blue way more complex or I could make the story more dramatic in this way or that way it's like cool you need to make a new story you're a different person now you make that story right I view that is very different from what TBO is doing right now with bleach because with bleach he was unable to write the story the way that he wanted to in the first first place because or at least finish the story out the way that he wanted to in the first place because people say it was health reasons or something like that but he had to cut the final war the final Arc short so now apparently he's getting to go back and change things to how he initially would have wanted them to be obviously that's going to bleed in a little bit with what his new ideas are Etc but for the most part we can all tell that what he initially got to do was not what he wanted to do with Oda as long as he's getting to do for better or worse what he wants to do um that's just the most organic story that we're getting and if you go back and Tinker with things too much then eventually you might lose you might start losing more than you're gaining right I think a classic example that Star Wars fans bring up is uh you know they don't like a lot of the changes that George Lucas is going back to make because it's like oh classic example Han shot first greo shot first right uh George Lucas is like well I don't want to make Han looked like the bad guy or whatever it's like no but we like that we liked when you initially depicted him like that like that's that feels more organic and that's the character that we knew once you change something like that then that changes how we interpret the character right so um I wouldn't want Oda to do that unless it's something health related right if it's something health related he has to cut it short or he had he there were reasons that he couldn't do what he wanted to do then I'd be cool with that but as it seems right like right now I think he even put out like some interview where you're saying like I have no regrets with what I've done so far uh with each Arc in one piece or something so you know Ray thanks for the two the best power system is money IE iron man/ Batman these aren't Power Systems all right Chris HZ thanks for the five what did you think about hamon and the rules that it had how about quirks I think hamon would have been too limiting um it's a cool system and it was more well structured I guess then you can like I think Haman and STS is the perfect example of I I think it's a I think you can't get a better example than um than Haman versus stands in terms of like two polar Extremes in that hamon is very very structured in terms of like there's a lot more that goes into the rules how it works how they train it things like that and part one and two it seemed to be developing that quite a bit but because it's structured in a certain way and does only certain things right there was a very tight framework of what could be done with hon you can only do so many things with that ability STS is the total opposite it's like we kind of had some rules we threw the rules out the window there's mostly no rules and you can do anything with stands stands they just make up their own rules right it's like the most untethered unstructured power system in my opinion stands it's just I can have a stand that's like oh if you wore the color red five weeks ago or something like that um and it happened to be rainy outside then now I control your fingernails for the rest of the day right that's just a stand ability but because of that you get just so much more variety and options for fights right with himan it probably be started to become a chore trying to think of like how do I find new ways to make a really really tricky fight using him on where the character is outsmart like where the protagonist outsmarts the villain through some clever method through some new application of this this power system that only does certain things um and STS it's just like the world's your oyster right there's so many so many ways you can go with a opponent's stand ability and so many options that you can come up with of how to counteract that creatively with your protagonist ability so I think it it's perfectly representing the two ends like having a really well structured and thought out power system with details of like how to train it how to improve it how to implement it Etc it can be it can be cool it can be creating a cohesive system but ultimately what's producing the more interesting fun fights with the greater variety um yeah just variety uniqueness General fantastic appeal Etc sometimes more rules aren't necessarily better you know um I think I compare like it's funny because I think n fights and stand fights are often fairly similar in terms of how the author is trying to write them which is he's trying to write um you're trying to write something a bit more strategic right where how does this ability inter interact with this ability and there there's some resourcefulness that you can come up with to figure a way out around the opponent's ability right nites like the particularly strategic ones they can only happen so often in the story they're they're actually pretty rare like nen fights like Hunter Hunter goes on for hundreds of chapters but there's only so many nen fights that actually happen that are memorable that you can think of like okay the strategy and all that was was interesting because it's harder to write right cuz you have more rules that you have to play into like how is this ability going to like you're just having to keep track of more things so it feels like the author has to have like a very clear idea of exactly what they want to do over the course of the fight to set up a really cool n fight right like Morel versus I shouldn't spoil anything right they're great n fights but I think you can just do them less frequently than stand fights we can which you can just do [ __ ] every other chapter it's like we just finished the stand fight time for the next stand fight just do that over and over and over again because the rules are so fluid and and loose it's just yeah we can just throw throw this into the mix and then that in the mix and now you got to fight right you don't need to worry about rules or like contradictions or like are we making sure that we're introducing something new that breaks the system here or whatever it's just like no it's just [ __ ] stand fights we just do whatever that's not to say all stand fights are good but you could just you can have fights back to back to back to back to back to back to back without ever thinking about a thing you know like uh Power rules wise or whatever um uh one sec let me see how far back I am uh D exclamation says Kishimoto recycling the same plot over and over I'm not going to get into that not going to touch that but uh you know I think Naruto has its strengths some not strengths I don't know let's get the stream LX up to 200 real quick Noah Phillips says what about Beyblade or Yu-Gi-Oh power system that's getting too complicated man like Yu-Gi-Oh power system I'm not gonna count that I'm not gonna count that because it's just like if I Yu-Gi-Oh I'm biased because I'm like well I've played Yu-Gi-Oh the game for a while and I think that it is a terribly designed game past a certain point but by the standards of anime and manga it's a really really much more far more intricate power system right you know like to be Tau out enough that can actually become a game in and of itself means that it's much more well thought out um regard and like that game has been successful for like 20 years regardless if I think it's a flawed game overall beef strobing off thanks for the five I think it was impos irresponsible for everyone to not go back and check on kaido and big mom before leaving especially with pluton being nearby dude I mean that's just a one piece thing where it's like characters don't really like check their p's and q's and stuff like that it's just kind of assumed that it's just a one piece thing it's like we're all happy now things have been resolved um I agree it was irresponsible someone should have checked it's really weird that nobody did check cuz it's just like well they didn't come back up they probably like if you're a citizen in wano you got to be living with like this thought like wait so the dragon died right like the dragon that ruled us he's dead it's like well yeah they punched him underground it's like wait they just punched him underground it's like yeah and he hasn't come back in two weeks so it's it's it's pretty much a guarantee it's like [ __ ] man you just punched him underground did anyone go underground to check it's like we went underground but it was actually just to look for a boat we didn't really look for kaido and big Mom it's like a [ __ ] all right stay curious says thoughts on Invincible I have not watched the second season I think um it's funny that it came back after so much waiting and so much anticipation and then it went on break right away like four episodes in um to be fair Invincible episodes are an hour long so it's like three episodes of an anime each so it's like 12 episodes in kind of it took a break but uh it's still funny cuz it's just four episodes sounds funny um real spoilers for 1100 thanks for the 10 but your message was deleted um I will also say that uh I'm a little Anno like I think the sometimes like okay on the one hand of course support animators right of course support animators they need all the time that they can get to they they should get the amount of time that they need to comfortably able to complete their projects right but sometimes certain certain um certain things obscure are used to obscure bigger problems which is like yeah I'm sure the Invincible animators like we should look out for them but I don't think that the delay Invincible EP in Invincible episodes was for animators because it's gone on like on the record they're already done with season 2 and have been working on season 3 or something like that the delay is very clearly for Amazon it it's just for Amazon so that it can stretch people sub descriptions longer because it conveniently starts at the start of next like uh start of January is when it's going to pick back up again and uh it's it's just the it's not it's got nothing to do with the animators as far as I as far as I've heard I've never heard a thing of like Invincible animators being pushed or stress stressed or anything like like they've said we're working on it we're working on it but I've never heard of like um you know I don't think that this is a thing for the animators as far as I've heard and understood this is just a Amazon being like like yeah we can squeeze one more month of like like they lose Nothing by making people wait another month for invincible and they probably manage to hold on to some more Prime subscriptions over the course of that one like it's a one month Gap so for them that's basically like it's it's pretty straightforward right like you release Eight Episodes over two months right maybe you only get some people subscribing for invincible for 2 months you release Eight Episodes of invincible over 3 months by taking a one Monon break bada boom you has got you got people subscribing to Amazon for 3 months instead of just the the two that you could have got right especially if they time it up right so that it could kind of go over like three to four months I don't know what date it started it's just an Amazon thing it's not a like animators thing as far as I understand um as as far as I understand so it's it's kind of annoying like unless I'm missing something if if I'm misinformed and there has been some news about the animators uh my bad but uh from what I understand and kind of like what uh what just seems to make sense and how people talk about how they do subscriptions and how they try and like squeeze subscriptions and stuff this is not something that people should be like people should be pissed that they're splitting up Invincible over another month because the season as it sounds like is done they could give us the full thing they're just trying to get more money out of uh out of viewers which is basically shitty and something that people should complain about rightfully so so I kind of don't like that this um that this bleeding heart cause which is a valid cause of like we should try and look out for animators is being used stupidly to obfuscate like an actual problem it's just like like yes we agree that that's a problem but don't use that to stop people from criticizing in like a giant Corporation that's trying to take advantage of you by fooling you with this cause you know so that I don't know that's my that's just that's just what uh like if I'm if I'm mistaken and something has come out about the animators being mistreated or underpaid or something um that's its own thing but as far as I know the season is complete and this is just classic you know subscription milking basically anyway let's move it along [Music] um yeah we can't do all of these but is there anything missing let me see if there's something let me see if I can find another tier list that doesn't have kaguya Sam on it um I'm just going to say shown in Power Systems because it's like what's s in here like like berserk doesn't have like a power system Vinland Saga doesn't have like a power system I'm talking about stuff that you know has stuff that has like rules and stupid stuff that we argue over you know um we might just have to roll with this one the thing is there's plenty that I have not seen like I don't know St seya you know um there just things I don't know oh this one's good I like this one and it's simple and tight so we can kind of roll through this easier um okay so what we're looking at here and tell me what stands out is missing all right tell me if anything stands out is missing pyin pinis that's fire force uh being a Titan not really power system in my opinion um but it is what it is alchemy which I actually forgot about STS cursed energy nen I think this is hitting all the popular ones and we're mostly going to stick to the popular ones cuz those are going to be the ones that I know and what the ones that most of chat knows right I think this covers pretty much everything that I think is traditionally popular right like we got one piece fairy tale bleach um Power of friendship don't know what that is fear what is this oh chainsaw man yeah I didn't think about that I don't think that's a power system but it's it's not it's not a power system I mean I guess power system it's just stuff that has rules that characters train and stuff right like chainsaw man it's not the same thing it's just characters have this ability and they you just have whatever ability you have and you fight with it you know it's not like breathing Styles where like Tandra is going through a whole training Arc of like learning how to use I mean there is a mini training Arc In Chains so man but we basically skip what it is it's just them getting more Savvy at fighting you know do we have quirks in here yeah they got quirks I think this is this is it I'm going to roll with this because this is this this is everything that I know and uh I don't really want to expand past my my list of understanding csms contracts it's not the same it's not the like the contract is just to use the Ability that a character that that someone else has um hey yanel says it's still a system but then at that point we're just going based off of like how much I like the concept cuz I love the concept of Chainsaw man's abilities that they're all based on fear but what the abilities actually like okay we'll include it I mean this is going to get difficult this is going to get difficult it is a power system yeah I'll rename the I'll rename the tiar hey anal say how do you train stands that's true and as I said stands don't really have rules that are super consistent I mean there's some stuff like the further away it goes the weaker it is or something but even that's not true the further we go in the series um okay okay maybe I'm being biased I don't know why I'm being biased against trying to include chainsaw man but just it feels weird to include this as a power system to me but it is a power system remix King thanks for the two morge This is BS do a poll and just skip some what what do you mean do a poll and just skip some no yours had random [ __ ] I'm not including the ones that yours had although I appreciate you making it but it's just like what yours just said so much random [ __ ] I don't even know it what a lot of it is um and I'm not going to go just off polls to put something in s tier when I don't even know what it is so so if it's something that I don't know at all like I look I can't put kaguya Sama in there um I think certain things just didn't fit that's my opinion D says also more fear makes them Stronger Yeah it's a system I guess it's a it's a system all right missing yuu Haka show I'm G be honest I don't really remember I remember YuYu Haka show is basically it's just key right it's very similar to Dragon Ball it's just key but everybody had different abilities though they had more varied abilities than Dragon Ball so it wasn't just key actually what am I I think yusuke just had a very he had the very straightforward vanilla type fighting style right Spirit Gun martial arts Etc but then you know Kurama is out there with all these plants and crazy [ __ ] and then hi is using amatarasu well before amatarasu was a thing in Naruto you know so It's Tricky Shaq says no Undead unluck [ __ ] did the other one have Undead unluck I think Undead I think Undead unluck has a great power system you guys want to do a standin let's call this one Undead unluck because I don't know this doesn't apply for anything else I also like that this layout you can see what each one is is there any major like popular one that's missing I I would agree Undead unluck should be here any popular one that's missing Also let's get the stream likes up to 200 real quick how am I supposed to say hii's name that's that's his name hii hi I eii hii that's it how am I how am I supposed to say it what what's it what's it actually supposed to be all these someone I'm seeing spoilers all right thank you one punch man okay one punch man doesn't have a power I think we could agree on that it's just people having random abilities most of them are just people that like work out or have some cyborg thing HEI that's what I said hii HEI SAR Alisia says more you see me dying will Flames what are dying will Flames what are dying will Flames is that from fire force dying will Flames let's look it up oh it's from reborn oh who remembers the reborn sto story that I told uh like four streams ago who remembers the reborn story hii that's what I'm that's what I'm saying hii how am I supposed to say it he a why would it be he he what EI doesn't make the a sound hi so that's he and then EI should be you guys are wrong Ramen San says Pokemon Adventures is missing true all right we'll keep it that way uh Breezy 2x says do you understand nen if yes explain it no that's Wing's job he can do it yeah you guys remember the the katako reborn story I'm not going to repeat it because it's a longish not it's not a long story it's just a pain to to to explain again but uh I'm probably never going to try that series Thomas maffy Thanks for the two it's HEI like an eight hea no that's incorrect none of us will ever know because no one's ever said that word out loud in real life so let's move on everyone tells me that I have wrong pronunciations for a lot of things but um you know I just I feel strongly that everything's open to let's say yeah let's change these tiers s let's get the standard ones A B C all right should we have a d tier should we have a d tier let's let's do a d tier to start with if we don't need it we don't need it let's hope we don't need it we want to keep it a positive stream oh wait hockey exists so fortunately it's going to go there all right let's go all right let's move it along wait no no no is there anything that we want to include that's not included here we're already going to say that power friendship is going to be Undead un luuck oh I got to move some stuff around let me move it where do you want to move it to top he said top what top left top right should be good right top right should work let's start with the understanding that no anime power system is perfect none of them are perfect um but it's just the nature of basically being a person that has to write a plot dialogue draw week after week after week at the same time having to make up certain mumbo jumbo for nerds who are going to care about it and keep extensive detail on it while you're just trying to make it to the next week and hit your deadline so just by the virtue of the way manga Works um it is no author's fault that they may sometimes be inconsistent or forget earlier rules or like explain some stuff that never comes up again it's just the way [ __ ] works that being said I think that there's no reason that hockey shouldn't have something clearer anything to make us understand when certain things are being used um Thomas maffy Thanks for the two Pokemon definitely has the best power system allw yeah that's why it's too good to include here because it's just like it's Pokemon if we all include Pokemon and Yu-Gi-Oh and stuff like that that's not fair because it's just the systems are so good that you've got like entire gaming cultures thousands of people strong that are devoted and spend their lives focusing on them right it's different I think D says original dub it's she or she she for hii she why is it she that's dub I don't I don't trust dub all right Salem says nen is not a power nen is not a power system morg no nen is a all right okay whatever um drippy sauce says those are power tools more than Power Systems honestly no power tool are like drills and [ __ ] like electric drills these are not those all right let's move it along we're going to start with okay anything else major that's missing anything else major that's missing Sergeant Pepper 546 says Yu-Gi-Oh doesn't have a coherent power system it doesn't initially but then it develops one as the series goes on initially it's just whatever the [ __ ] it's like Pegasus does tune world and then it just does random tune [ __ ] and now you can't hit my monsters or whatever ever but uh it develops a much much much more coherent power system than any of these other series over time like there's cuz it's literally a game right you're having to play like the characters are having to play a game against each other so there's way more rules like okay you have to sacrifice this to do this then you can play this card polymerization this card we can do this card so we set a trap card flip my trap card I can draw two card like [ __ ] like that like it's just it's inherently much more involved um than any of these systems it's just it the series have to be to be able to function and move on obviously there are flaws to the Yu-Gi-Oh game but there like even in like in the show version of the game there are still flaws and um things that are forgotten or rules that are bypassed or ignored once in a while but the the system of rules there is just infinitely more detailed than anything that any of these systems have because it's it's like the show is actually trying to have characters fight in like a game so the rules just matter way way way way way more you know um John 678 thanks for the five morge I'm asking for permission to test out an anti-bot bot on your chat but I have to but I'd have to release the sex bots first it's for a class I'm taking right now thanks what test out an anti botbot on my chat I guess you can do that what do you mean you have to release the sex spots first you have them locked up somewhere shuro says more you're forgetting we're talking about the anime and the items are a bunch of [ __ ] L yeah but that that stuff's like outside the game that stuff's like I can control your mind or I can read your mind or I can swap with Yugi and stuff like that oh he's trolling there's no such thing all right never mind then yeah you can e easily troll me with technology stuff because I just don't understand it all right uh let's move on okay um not an NPC says Prince of Tennis power system oh Prince of Tennis does have a fun power system but uh people will think it's dumb so we can't include it and most people didn't read prce of tennis all right let's move along so pyrokinesis this is from fire force I want to put it in here's the thing I'm only six episodes in and the guy has already found several creative ways to use fire but at the same time I think it's an inherently boring power system you know what I mean I I think it's an inherently boring power system does fire force get interesting remix King says morg do you want to clean up mine in my opinion you just fall back on the chat to obtain opinions on this you haven't seen But then it's trickier for me because it's like there's going to be a lot that I haven't seen and if I have to fall back on chat for so many of them then I just don't even know what to there's nothing for me to engage with Magi reborn fairy tale r s easy why is fairy tale s why is fairy tale S I don't think fairy tale's S I don't know man there's too many in there that would be there's too many in there that would be just question like I would have nothing to go off for them but I guess we could do it let me take a look at yours again what does yours have that's missing from mind that uh is relevant to talking about does it have Undead unluck does it have Undead unluck let me see let's take a look so yours has okay so yours has a coma kill Attack on Titan Black Clover bleach haven't seen bungo stay dogs I don't know why you have this Demon Slayer Dragon Ball fairy tale I haven't seen fate Fate's actually the next thing I want to watch because it seems interesting um you got Alchemy haven't seen God of high school this is just volleyball um sword out online I've only seen like half of the first season or like the first season don't know what this is Rez which I used to mix up with Fate Zero but they're separate things Pokemon when punch man one piece Naruto I haven't seen mob psycho my hero I've only seen a bit of Magi Kama jisen JoJo Hunter Hunter seven deadly sins I've seen enough of it that I like I generally know the power system but everybody also has like really different abilities too um like different sources for their abilities don't know what this is hav red Soul Leader spy family I mean I know what the main character's abilities are Tokyo Ghoul I just think there's a Tokyo Ghoul I haven't no I've seen the first season of Tokyo Ghoul but people say the manga is much better I remember the abilities from here um don't know this don't know this Yak show yeah Avatar yeah uh too fire force don't know this but this seems familiar um H I'm I'm I'm leaning towards no remix King I'm leaning towards the other one because the other one one it's shorter so we can realistically do it without me having to speed through and then the other one has too many things that I consider kind of gray areas so it's like do we include this in a power system discussion or not like one punch man and then three the other one has uh um uh like several things that I don't know at all so it's like one I don't know do we even want to include it and then two I'd have to be asking chat basically entirely for you guys to explain to me what it is and then chat's going to vote and I'm like I don't want just chat to be able to decide does it go s tier or D tier when I don't know at all what it is um and then I'd like it to be more 50/50 where we're trying to work together to figure it out but really more like 6040 where I'm the 60 and uh then the last thing is it also doesn't have Undead unluck which is the only one that I thought I wanted to add here that I thought was missing but I appreciate the creation of it maybe it can be used for something else down the line but I don't think for this because I do want to rank do I do want to do another tier list that involves M multiple uh uh series but don't want to do yeah I don't think for Power Systems that would work I like that there's a argument that's been going on that I don't really understand it's from Mike paradise and uh somebody else but I don't know he's who he's arguing with I don't know what who he's arguing with um Gustavo thanks for the 10 what are your opinions on Sakura's character and strength oh my God personally think they stagnated her development up until the very end just to focus on Narto and Sasuke you're just asking me to I I don't even feel that strongly about anything in Naruto um cuz it was just never my my series it was a series that I followed in and out um I don't care that much about yeah I just I don't think that with Sakura there was ever any I thought it was weird that they tried to make her involved in the kaguya fight when it really felt like she didn't belong because it felt like she wasn't really a relevant character or nearly strong enough to be there for a long time and then suddenly they're like well just for the sake of trying to make things come full circle team seven whatever we have to have her involved as well she had some weird line about being a woman to to Kya I'm like why is why is this it's a weird line to include here um yeah I think Sakura could have just been more uh I just don't have a lot to say about her I feel like she could have just been more of a character throughout the story and had more of a role more agency um but there's something that people forget with Sakura that I think is important to remember which is if we look at so many of these other Series right um You can say Sakura is a bad character which I think she is but if we look at so many of these other Series right if we look at let's say um uh well you know I'm not I'm not going to get into it but like I think I think people would get nitpicky about certain things from certain series but I do feel like the the mold of having a trio of characters like a trio of main characters that kind of uh um like a main like a main character Trio with like one that's kind of Naruto is narish then one that's like you know the main guy then kind of like the darkhaired brooding counterpart and then a female third right um that that that Trio model right that has gotten fairly popular I mean you see it pop up more and more nowadays right with juit Zak kaisen with chainsaw man um I think that that is a soft model that a lot of writer I think you could even argue in a sense my her hero um but it's not the same cuz I would argue that my hero is more like five well whatever um it it's like I do think that at least the idea of Sakura kind of became popular and writers just wanted to do more with that Trio model but um you get what I'm saying you get what I'm saying like the concept of being like okay we have the main character then deuteragonist and then a third character that's the female um that little Trio concept I think that that did at least have some level of influence on following Shonen so you know uh vhawk says like some sort of monster Trio no the monster Trio is not like that whatsoever um monster Luffy zor zanji um so you could say like the inclusion of forest or shoehorn or not if like um it's like a third the third most important character being a girl I think that that's something that that maybe I don't know I don't know uh it's debatable okay let's move on let's keep moving all right um I don't I don't even know where to put Titans because there's only as far as I know there's only like seven Titans but I'm not caught up to the end of the story so it's just being a Titan but it is cool like like let's put Titans in C let's put Titans in C because you know the Titans are cool right AI is cool oh he added Undead unluck fine I will do okay well how about we leave it up to chat do we want to do remix Kings or this one remix king or stick with this one it's up to you guys um if we go to the other one I'm still going to just be skipping pretty much everything that um that I don't know well um stick with this one or go to remix King oh you guys can't see the tier list [ __ ] my bad when I say this one I'm talking about this one what is Mike parad Mike Paradise what are you arguing I'm curious what what is I don't even know what's being argued here this one is winning so I think we're going to stick with this one I think we're going to stick with this one wait wait let me show remix Kings again uh here let me let me pull these up again um where is it okay so he has the fair shot right so I'll do the poll one more time so this one has more here are the benefits of each right remix Kings has more I think it has more that are not relevant that we wouldn't include like um Hau kaguya some and such but it does have such that some that we it has like I think he said he added Undead unluck or something like that which we didn't have in the other one maybe we have to refresh this refresh this probably yeah it has Undead unlock so it has a little bit more than we saw before um either way I'm not going to include ones that I don't know so I don't know a lot of these and I also think some of these aren't relevant um but then at the same time yeah it's a little bit more it's more robust so it also has like Avatar which we can include um yeah so there's benefits to both the other one's shorter that's basic shorter more compact I think it has the ones that I would like to talk about except Undead unluck this one has more stuff that kind of expands the scope but if we want to expand the scope I'm down to I'm still just going to skip the ones I don't want to talk about all right so we'll do it one more time um oh wait let me so this is option A okay we'll say this is the remix King one and then this is the the current one all right so those are the two options do the pull one more time which tier list current [Music] one talas says Mor really overthrowing our Democratic process I would prefer to do this one I don't want to overthrow it but then I felt bad because I was like wait I only showed this tier list I should give them a refresher of the other one to make it fair basically so we can pick between the two remix remix King says Mor I remove the ones you said you didn't know oh [ __ ] did you oh that does change things hold on let's take a look at this one more time um you're still losing the pole but maybe it can be closer this we're looking at the remix King one right now um oh it is tighter now it is tighter okay yeah maybe we could do this one you you kept Kya uh don't know this don't know this I should have been more clear don't know this don't know this don't know this mag I only barely know um because I watched like Sinbad stuff too I don't really know I've only watched that I've read like a little bit of too um don't know what this is is this is this Hitman Reborn Kabachi okay I'm going to refresh one more time let's see what we finally got see our final list you didn't remove any okay okay remix King if can I remove these I don't think I can I mean I can just skip but it would be nice if I didn't have to I don't know fate let's be clear I don't know fate God of high school it's just martial arts I don't know IQ it's also just volleyball so I don't want to rank it um don't know so lead here like I didn't read it I feel like you didn't get rid of most most of the ones okay okay I'm going to go with the other one I'm going to go with the other one brownie bot is say because people are still voting for that one and brownie bot is saying more the other one is better because it separates things like uh hockey and devil fruits yeah I'm going to have to I'm going to go with the other one I'm going to roll with this one we're also partway through this one slightly slightly okay og3 says God of high school is not just martial arts ELO isn't it just martial arts from what iall it was martial arts okay um VOR M says man hasn't watched haq to this day false bring out the inner Dwight I have watched three episodes of haq and uh I think hiq for me was the the line it was kind of the line where I realized okay I'm I I will give it a try one more time because everybody says it's I've never heard somebody say hiq is bad I've heard some people say oh it's like overrated or like not the best thing ever but I've never heard anyone say highq is bad which is really rare um but Hau for me was kind of the line where like with anime you're always buying into something like you're buying into you're buying into something you know you're buying into the concept of stands or devil fruits or like like people really care about you know Black Clover like I'm going to be the wizard King and stuff like that like you're buying into something that's to a degree silly corny right at least shown in anime shown in anime right um you're just you're buying into it right highq was kind of the limit for me because it was just like like I'm a couple episodes in and like it's like Middle School volleyball or something like that like they're going to high school right but it's like the Middle School volleyball team is playing this other volleyball team and like there's this legendary Middle School guy that they call the king of the court and it's already kind of like oh my God the king of the court is arriving the legendary King of the court so it's already like okay this is corny and it's like okay what does the king of the Court do and it's like okay so his thing is it's his thing is setting the volleyball it's just going this that's the king of the court so it's just he's the guy that does this you know so that's and he's apparently so good at at doing this that they call him the king of the Court later on you find out I think like episode two or three that like he's actually called the king of the the court because the way he does this is actually it's so arrogant the way that he places this ball oh my God he's like the king of the C like it was actually a they were saying it derisively this entire time but it's still either way it's too ridiculous for me to wrap my head I'm like oh my God they're really animating the [ __ ] out of this like this dude who does this he's the biggest [ __ ] he just it's like yeah he sets the ball at least if he was a dude that like spiked it or something like that I could understand or if like he was I don't know like some something like he he hits with perfect technique or like he's the fastest on the court or something something but it's like no this dude one he's really tall that's what they say he's not that tall I'm taller than that guy and then two he does this and that's his legendary King of the Court thing I just I couldn't I I couldn't take yeah it's like drippy sauce is the B of volleyball I was like I can't take this seriously I'm like if anybody sees me watching this that's not also an anime fan I just can't I can't do this I couldn't I couldn't do it um I couldn't do it um anyway Oswald Kimmy says bro he's in middle school I I sure but then I'm like why am I watching a show that's about this middle school that's like his abilities being really tall for Middle School like I don't get it uh there was another thing that I saw out of context and I get that it's probably not that good because it's out of context but like it was a d it was like a clip from way later in the show where someone throws a ball in the air or something like that and then the orange kinata he runs up and then he jumps up and catches the ball or something like that and then all the comments are freaking out this is not during a volleyball game they're just walking around outside and he throws the ball up and then Hinata runs up and then jumps up and he catches the ball or something like that and all the comments are freaking out about like this is like the greatest moment in in like highq history or something or like oh my God the chills I got or something like people are freaking out I'm like yeah this show just it's not for me it's just not for me people are like this is the nothing happened moment I asked my chat this at the time that I saw it this was like probably last year or something like that so this conversation has come before and I think somebody was like yeah that was like the nothing happened moment of highq and I was like cool so I'm not going to watch this like there's I'm not against Sports Anime CU when I was younger I read uh I read Prince of Tennis but I was just a dumb high school kid and I was just like reading whatever and I like uh played tennis from time to time back then so it was like yeah this is dumb but like it's also not that serious and then flip side I've watched like Ping Pong the anime and ping pong is much more artistically done and it's you know it leans into these legendary like legendary level of ping pong skill and stuff like that but it's it's more you feel like you're watching something I don't know a little less maybe it's just the art style that's drawing me in or something like that with that there but with haq I believe it's I promise you guys everyone's saying that I'm dumb I don't know anything but um like I just don't know anything but I get it I believe that Hau is good because everybody says it's good I've never seen anybody should talk haq I just couldn't it was to like three episodes in I was just like it was just thing it was like one thing on top of another on top of another it's like they keep praising this guy the king of the court I was like this is so anime ridiculous right like in other series when people get these titles and stuff you're at least in an anime verse so it's like oh my God hawkey mihawk like the legendary whatever like their titles it feels like it carries some meaning it's just like this is a middle school level competition and they're treating this guy like he's [ __ ] LeBron James but like even LeBron even LeBron's not like being worshiped as like the literal like the king is just like a nickname but like here they're just like oh my God that guy's AA the king of the cord and stuff like that this Middle School guy walking around who's like slightly taller than other middle schoolers or maybe tall in Japan I don't know this dude walking around you find out what his ability is his ability is going like this it's like holy [ __ ] the I don't know man I can't get that image out of my head if like just me realizing that like this king of the court that they're taking so seriously like he's just the dude that does this which haq fans and volleyball fans I'm sure can explain to me as like the most Godly important thing like the show even breaks it down it's like no this might seem dumb but like it's actually really important because blah blah blah blah blah and I'm like I ignored everything you said after actually anyway Yousef says LeBron does get worshiped ELO yeah but not liter like not literally like they're literally like this guy is our like this guy is the king of the Court like it's not people are like walking around like LeBron's literally an anime character it's like yeah King James that's his cool cool title but it's not literally like that um tell that to Shannon sharp no obviously LeBron has stands and stuff like that but nobody's treating him like an anime character like here there's a middle school kid walking around and everyone's just like the king of the Court the king of the Court they treat him more like LeBron James there than like even LeBron James is treated outside in the real world anyway Andre anami says mores you got Choo just like your friend ELO all I got to ask is like does that guy's special ability at some point stop being going like this right does does he is it is it still that because then I can't I can't watch that show I don't think I think it'll be very difficult weit Turner says yes they do no I could pull up the first episode of hiq there's no point that you would like it is clearly clearly animed uh animaed overd dramatized version of like how LeBron is called King yeah people worship LeBron yeah yeah yeah yeah but there's a difference between that versus like treating someone like they're [ __ ] Moda I or something like that that's different not really an ostrich says mors just thinks volleyball is easy no I just think that like uh there's no way that like things can be difficult I understand that doing this is difficult I can believe that but I'm never going to think doing this is cool and like that's a really cool ability that warrant being called the king of the court or being treated like you're like Whitebeard or some [ __ ] ather thanks for being a a pirate king tier member for eight months I shield 21 is the non-combat sports series to read drawn by Morata give it the old College try if I ever try something like that it would be like hajim meno IO that's basically it all right guys let's keep going Spade says it's not an ability it's just his position all right if he's doing that for the entire series I'm I I don't know just can't get behind it Min fat says Mor just thinks volleyball is lame which is fair enough no I mean I think that any sports anime that drama like animati like anime like again with everything here we're leaning into like the corniness of Shonen right but at least it's like the world is on the line and characters have superpowers and all this like crazy stuff like you can at least make yourself believe you can buy like there's levels of suspension of disbelief to buy into something with Sports Anime it's the same thing but it's literally just kids playing volleyball in an empty gym room so it's like they act the same and they talk the same and hype things up the same as though it's like this crazy ass [ __ ] and it's just as over the top and ridiculous and animesque and over dramatized and but I'm just looking at some [ __ ] kids playing volleyball in an empty gym so it's just like I the suspension of disbelief it's like a whole another level of it you get what I'm saying anyway um all right it's kind of like when with like Yu-Gi-Oh like the joke was like oh my God they're getting so into it over just playing card games and stuff like that and it's like you know what yeah it is kind of ridiculous that they're getting so into it but at the very least like with Yu-Gi-Oh it's like at least giant monsters are being summoned and they're playing in this Giant floating arena in the sky and uh you know we find out that some of these cards have Supernatural effects and there are Supernatural objects and this goes back to ancient Egypt magic and stuff like that like even with the the card games like just kids playing card games and stuff like that the animesque like anime animati I'm just making up that word by the way but I'm using it the over dramatization the anime ridiculousness of it or whatever it's like it is just kids playing card games at the end of the day but there is some level of stakes and stuff to it this is just like they're not even like there's nothing it's just like we're treating this like this is like Goku versus Frieza or like you know something like that like Luffy versus the world govern but it's like it's just volleyball it's it's too many levels deep it's like if we're making fun of the kids playing card game stuff over there then what like at least that's actually for the fate of the world in some sense this is just nothing that's that's my thing with it that's why I can't get get behind haq at all it's like I had to turn my brain off a lot just to be able to enjoy Yu-Gi-Oh for this it's like four levels extra you get what I'm saying anyway anyway um I still believe haq is really really good I'm not saying it's worse than I'm sure the writing is phenomenal I'm sure the character stuff is phenomenal I'm just explaining why the basic premise of the show is hard to get into and take seriously like because the suspension of disbelief is just it's too far uh anyway Pat gy thanks for the 20 morge 90% of the people in chat who watch hi you are the same people who cry when you talk about sports they don't know slpl Sports in real life so it's easy to to suspend disbelief that is a good point I watched two seasons with my ex and it was so ass my God okay we don't have to insult haq because again I don't know if it's good or not I'm just explaining why I'm just explaining why it's hard for me to get in there okay that's it but that is an interesting perspective all right guys let's move the reason I'm saying the animati is cuz I'm just like what's a word for like anime something like like a normal situation but you anime it animati it's not a real world but anyway okay let's move on let's move on hi is not making the list all right Alchemy I thought Alchemy is cool I'm want to give Alchemy a solid a I think Alchemy is cool um didn't get too complicated with the rules but things have consequences and [ __ ] and uh there's some nice niche uses of alchemy and uh you get a little bit of variety in there I like Alchemy stands I'm going to go ahead and put an S does anybody have any debate for stands being in s or not s dramatization is the word that's the correct word but I'm trying to get across the like overdramatization but I'm trying to get across like there's that specific style of overdramatization that is unique to anime where it's just like people freaking out over the most minor things or like talking themselves in in like deep Long soliloquies over the most minor [ __ ] um and and I'm just like what is the word for that what is that s stands for stands yeah yeah we're going to get to I think we're actually at some good stuff okay let's move it around let's let's get to some stuff in the middle what would be a b tier thing what what falls in B tier what falls in B tier I feel like I want to put quirks in B tier how do people feel about that quirks is kind of fun though right I just don't I okay there's different ways you can look at a power system I don't like most of the quirks that exist I just think that cuz I've given my hero a shot for a while I think that just the powers that characters have don't really seem that interesting to me um I understand that there's some more interesting ones that come along down the line devil fruits are B I think devil fruits are a solid B but do you think devil fruits are a or not do okay do we think um Chris HD thanks for the two you want a more grounded Sports manga try slam dunk I've heard slam dunk is it's just I'm probably not going to try a sports sports series outside of hajim Mino IO anytime soon just because it's like I don't know there's something a little bit extra about the sports series I don't know quirks are B or C I feel like quirks are okay does Alchemy belong in a let's let's start with that I think devil fruits could maybe go higher um Alchemy I think Alchemy is a or b I'll throw in C as an option I don't think it's s Ash nojo I've heard good things about that too people like Alchemy and a yeah you know what's interesting about alchemy I think Alchemy is um it's one of those abilities that's I like it because it's one of those abilities that's written pretty deeply into the stories themes and ideas like it's it's intertwined very very well well and I think Alchemy plays a role in a lot of the significant like it's not just the you know you can go a few episodes in and you've got like the cimera moment right which I won't expand upon but um there's so many moments in the story that are not fighting related but just actually character or plot oriented or or theme oriented that Alchemy plays a big part in so I think it I think it deserves a spot here tala says devil fruits are bad since hocky negates its creative usage I don't want to go that far I think devil fruits are really cool uh I think devil fruits are really cool one of the things that I always say about devil fruits that I think is phenomenal on od's part is like a lot of the uh a lot of the fruits that we know especially early on in the story were really really odd or simple or basic abilities that Oda was able to stretch into a huge variety of different abilities if that makes sense like um like just that woman that you like Miss Double finger her Spike fruit like she used that in a million different ways right she used that to buff herself like getting steroids she used it uh as projectiles to create clubs to do all sorts of things um you just see I don't know I feel like wapple can eat lots of things right which is a silly ability but then we see how he can eat lots of things turn himself into a factory uh slim himself up up uh beef himself up he could eat a whole Armory and turn into like a weapon of mass destruction which you never get to see I feel like Devil fruits are like a lot of the abilities are really like on the surface onedimensional or simple but um Oda really stretches everything that they can do which I think is pretty cool so I like Devil fruits a lot for that reason um yeah I like Devil fruits a lot for that reason and I think some con it's like I think my mythical zon are some of the coolest things that OD has come up with just cuz I know many people's favorite devil fruit reveal was when we first saw Marco turn into a phoenix at uh Marine Ford one of the most iconic maybe not most iconic but one of the greatest like most hype moments in one piece in recent memory that I can recall was Dragon showing up in dragon or sorry kaido showing up in Dragon form at the start of wano uh I think like let's not let I don't know tala says half the devil fruits in the show are just roundabout stats boots that's true but I think you could say the same about well not STS but some I don't know devious says hockey was created just for loia and non- devil fruit users to compete yeah I think the trickiness with devil fruits is that it might just feel less impactful over time because hockey exists right like big mom big mom has such a interesting ability on the like her devil fruit ability is really really cool and creative right she can bring everything to life like she uses Souls takes Souls puts Souls into other things to bring them to life she can bring Islands to life she can bring tsunamis to life she can bring the weather to life she can do so much and then if you look at her fights her fights still end up being mostly physical combat with you know some fire and lightning thrown in right that was the majority for fight with law her fight with kaido that's basically what it comes down to because ultimately the devil fruits have become more so accessories to just extreme physical combat strength and hockey right obviously on the flip side kid- in-law were able to beat her because they relied on their devil fruits and their devil fruit variety so it still matters for sure um but at the end of the day it's like I feel like we didn't really get to see the most out of big mom's fuit on the one hand um I don't know I I think it's yeah it's just complic it's like you know you got aokiji fighting GARP and then quickly becomes clear that aokiji can't actually freeze GARP and then then so the fight becomes aokiji putting on just like making ice gloves to box with GARP with hockey So It's tricky because I think I know Odo he prefers the the physical combat over the devil fruit effects in like it's like ultimately the hockey and physical combat matters more um and it makes sense because if you go all the way back to the start of the story the three main Fighters that Oda wrote Into the series are all just physical combat Fighters like Luffy Zoros Sanji Luffy has a devil fruit but it's a pure physical combat devil fruit right so for the vast majority of the story like villains have their own special abilities and tricks and such but it's going to be they're always going to be it always has to come down to fisticuffs and direct physical combat so devil fruits are a great concept and I think some devil fruits are extremely cool and creative like big mom's fruit Phoenix fruit paw fruit doflamingo's fruit like you've got so many great devil fruits in one piece um Law's fruit yeah the creativity with double fruits is really high it's just it doesn't play as big of a role over time due to hockey so I don't know I don't know how do we where do we want to put devil fruits non seor says hockey is amazing with the themes of the story but not great logically SL in isolation I think just the the depictions of hockey and uh how Oda chooses to make us understand when it's being used and when Oda chooses to have characters make it clear that they're using it this power Vision in here I'm seeing some people say par Vision I don't even see Power Vision where's he at for some reason I thought I saw someone say that yeah I want to put devil fruits high I mean I could see it A or B um I don't think C I don't think s so I'm not going to give those options we can always change it as time goes on if we feel like it doesn't belong people are saying a a is way too high here's the thing I think that I feel like cuz now I'm looking and I'm like if we move this here I'm I'm cool with having devil fruits in the same tier as Alchemy but I think that spiritual pressure is clearly better than either of these two because just the ideas that come out of bleach's um I think bleach can get convoluted especially with like Ichigo powers and I think bleach definitely leaves a lot on The Cutting Cutting Room floor with like you know like the quincies used to like we used to associate quincies with using certain abilities but then in Thousand-Year blood War a lot of those are thrown away and it's like here these all new things that they use and they don't use that other old stuff I think it can get a little messy I think even other stuff like like Shinigami use shano but Ron car use sonido which are exactly the same [ __ ] thing but then they talk about it like it's two totally different abilities it's like oh that's your that's you do that well we do this it's like because you're doing the same [ __ ] what are you what are you even talking about anyway um so there's lots of weird stuff with bleach like too many ideas that seem irrelevant but man bleach's Bankai system like that alone it's so like it's up there right like who doesn't get it who doesn't get hype when a new Bankai is revealed I think Bankai is one of the most hype just powerups or transformations in uh in anime manga history like it's just anytime a character reveals is like Bankai even if you think it's like okay this might be an as Bankai because it's like [ __ ] we're looking at kensei or renji or something like that like you're still excited to a degree and so many bonai are just really really creative ideas right like I I'm going to go as far as to say that out of every single to me just the phrase and I've [ __ ] on bleach plenty of times in the past so this is like I'm not coming from oh I'm a huge bleach sand type of thing I just think that the phrase bonai is cooler for like like it's just cool like I'm more hyped when I hear a character say Bankai than pretty much anything else here right there's just nothing quite like a character being like okay Bankai and then chapter ends and then you're excited to find out what happens next chapter you know there's nothing else quite like that like I'm not like oh Sage Mode okay that's that or like domain expansion that's that or like Mana zone or like you get what I'm saying like I think banai is pretty uh I don't know Yousef says Mor thinks bleach greater than Naruto so not surprised no I think Naruto is better than bleach by a good shot long shot and I think that there's nothing not long I don't know uh I think maybe Thousand-Year blood War is really really great for its ending or something like that I don't know but uh it thousand- year blood is hard to explain cuz I'm loving the anime but not for the writing it's not for the writing at all it's just visually beautiful atmospherically be uh amazing um the fights are cool that's it visually beautiful great atmosphere feels very artistically done fights are amazing um that's it right I'm not putting bleach above Naruto personally writing wise but I'm saying that's what bleach does really well I think you guys don't think banka belongs up here and S you guys don't think bonai belongs up here in s Super Saiyan we don't even count okay Super Saiyan if you want to count Super Saiyan yes Super Saiyan trumps banai and but it's just it's so like it's more iconic obviously obviously more iconic I'm just saying what's what's cooler at this point like I don't think Super Saiyan's that cool because it's just it's been a thing for like it's so old school except I don't know to me it's just that Bankai is the coolest sort of final power up or transformation that characters pull out does that make sense you guys are going to put Bankai in the same tier as Alchemy like what what Alchemy stuff is as cool as some of the B like like bonai is are like has anyone seen chutin maru's Bankai has anyone seen uh koraku like am I crazy here like there's some really really really interesting stuff like Alchemy is cool but at the end of the day Roy must tank snapping his fingers it's it's not really the same thing right um agenda pirate thanks for the five underrating Titans incredibly unique nothing else even comes close hardening pros and cons of each like endurance armor or size path connections Etc uh okay we'll come back to Titans I could see the argument Maurice alono says cool doesn't make it a good power system it's just cool no but it also makes for much more interesting fights like bleach fights are better than uh than Full Metal Alchemist fights I think by a good shot as well right I I don't think that should be controversial you get in my opinion you get much more interesting bleach fights even if they're kind of silly at certain points but I don't really think of Full Metal Alchemist when I think of iconic fights either you know what I'm saying like what are the best fights in Full Metal Al they're they're good fights like that are fun but it's not really like the usual multi episode long like lots of I don't know like they're shorter fights they're they're I don't think it's quite the same blob clock says is this more combat or concept uh both so basically what's the concept how well taught out is the system like the rules how consistently it Etc right um and does it make for good interesting fights that rely on the power system you know no I'm not saying that there's not good fights but it's just like do they compared to bleach fights which show Much More Much Greater variety of abilities over the course of fights tend to have much more extensive back and fors to the point of Comedy head points but you get what I'm saying like okay we can do a poll let's do a poll for it but I don't know if I'll abide by the rules of the poll but the sorry the uh outcome of the poll like to me it's just if I'm reading a a bleach fight versus um watching a hunter oh sorry a uh Full Metal Alchemist fight I think the Full Metal Alchemist fight is a lot more basic in terms of what's going to happen over the course of that battle because bleach is just there's a lot more to it okay we can do another tier let's do another tier uh fine SS what color do we make this but I like the now we got to change the whole thing hold on because I like the the colors following a certain format all right see seems like a wins so don't worry well it's going to go in s cuz it's going to go above Full Metal Alchemist but um it's not going to top tier so don't worry about that okay we're doing SS sa a b c and d from here on all right all right uh you guys want an N we'll put n up here all right we'll put an that up there um we'll do a vote at the end what people like best key key is the classic I think key is the classic I think you just put key here cuz it's cool for what it was what it started but it's uh you know there's it's the basic it's just 101 at this point right I saw an argument for quirks should be higher that quirks should be higher um H I don't know about that should quirks be higher or not quirks should be higher Titan should be higher Titan should be up here I don't know about that I agree that there's like variances among the Titans but that's that's like the basic thing that you would need right key is d you want key here all right we'll put key in D we'll put key there all right chakra this is going to be controversial okay chakra is not s that's guaranteed is not s so it's maybe either here it's either a B A or B maybe it's a chakra better than devil fruits I don't know maybe yeah chakra is more taught out like there's much more to chakra maybe I'm underestimating chakra maybe chakra should be up here should chakra be this High I think I was just underestimating it in my head I'm seeing lots of s's A's B's Etc let's try and remove any Naruto anti Naruto bias because I feel like that can afflict one piece fans frequently myself included but um like chakra has a lot going forward right there's a lot of stuff it encompasses so much is the tricky thing it's like cuz what's funny is that talk about Power Systems right you could ignore 80% of chakra and just be like okay let's just talk shangan or like I Jitsu right let's just talk I Jitsu runagan sh Gan Byakugan Byakugan let's just talk that that could be its own power system in itself and that would already be a pretty complicated power system the question is is it is it good do we like it I think it belongs here chakra can't be lower than spir spiritual pressure yeah I could see that I think maybe I was I think I was forgetting because Naruto you can have so many interesting fights with chakra I think it became more DBZ towards the end I don't think that's a controversial thing to to say I think most people would agree but you can read like any singular Shikamaru battle and be like yeah that clearly puts it in a category that's above you know anything in category a I'll put it here I'm not going to put in SS okay we'll do a poll we'll do a poll I'll I'll throw SS as an option but I'll give I'll give you guys a wide range of options here yeah it does become glorified key later I don't think it belongs in SS but uh I think we were definitely overrating Alchemy by quite a bit early on CU I just don't think it makes for that great fights over time um I think alchemy's strength is more so how it's how it plays into the writing of the story um not to say that full met Alchemist doesn't have good fights but it doesn't have the same level of creativity in the back back and forths of abilities that you would see in like a chakra like in certain Naruto Battles especially earlier on um or just the uniqueness of abilities and such that you see in bleach and the combinations that you can get in fights with that I think it belongs here okay as seems right for it cool let's move on limiters this isn't a real thing this is only a thing that applies to like literally just one character uh it's it's not even fair to say that's the power system of one punch one punch man right because it really only applies to saitama right King some would say in theory or something like that it's it's not the power system of one punch man I think one punch Man's power system is basically non-existent it's just the power system of one punch man is the same as the power system of any random comic book verse which is like random characters have random abilities for for random reasons it's like Oh I'm a lab experiment oh I work out a lot oh I have psychic powers it's just random I I don't think there's much to this um characters just fight that's it most fights are just I don't know it's pretty straightforward okay now we're getting to the tricky stuff breathing styles wait oh I didn't realize ratu and spiritual pressure were two separate things what the [ __ ] okay somebody [ __ ] up when they did this so this will just be separate we'll call it ratu I feel like ratu is the better term because we're wee you know we're weebs all right we'll see ratu even though it's the same thing right yeah you know what this it's okay we're going to add a row below uh and that'll be where limiters go what's the last color we use okay this will be this will be light blue okay agenda pirate thanks for the five even in late Naruto you get stuff like Sasuke throwing Naruto as a shuriken then swapping places to put Miki in Chains incredibly creative yeah that's true chakra not that these are ranked within tiers but you could AR chakra should be above Riu no cuz you can still get cool I think Kishimoto is better at writing strategic fights than okay a lot of it is like how good the writer is at writing a a fight with the system they have right because uh Kishimoto is better at riding strategic fights he's better at writing strategic fights bleach there's usually I feel like there's usually not much strategy it's more like the the strategy is it turns out my ab my ability is conveniently the perfect counter to yours [Music] so we'll vote up here later down the line we'll vote up here this is not ordered in tiers or anything like that it's not ordered in tiers um if you guys want me to have nen first I'll put nen first um I'm more so thinking should this be no we agreed this belongs in s right I just know that this I know bleach's abilities should be above Alchemy and devil fruits I feel like we might have overrated Alchemy it's good for again the way plays into plot character stuff themes is great I think it's fine where it is I think Alchemy is fine where where it is tala thanks for the 279 move key up at least we know when it's being used I almost wanted to make that argument but I'm just like no like we're not going to yeah I'm never like man is he using Super Saiyan right now or not with hockey I am not that there's a Super Saiyan but it's just like the equivalent which is advance Advanced conqueror hockey I'm I'm going to keep it here tala says no we overated devil devil fruits devil fruits should maybe be with quirks I think devil fruits should maybe be should maybe be with quirks we'll keep it a yeah we'll put devil fruits with with quirks because I'm thinking like what really makes devil fruits better than quirks I think that I think I just think what I think is cool about devil fruits is that I said I think like 10 times what I think is cool about devil fruits is just that a lot of them are really simp I feel like with quirks sometimes it'll be like a a character has a simple Quirk and they basically do simple things with it for the most part you know like you have a character let me think Red Riot right like his Quirk is being able to harden his body for the most part he does things with that ability that that fit that Mak sense with that ability with devil fruits I feel like especially pre-time skip a character could have a devil fruit ability that seems simple but then the character has like a million different ways that they use it that almost don't even seem to make sense with that ability but the abilities can seem simple and then have like a million variations to them that I think really expand what you know what you think of the utility of a single devil fruit I think I see that more in one piece than I do in my hero personally but maybe I'm not remembering correctly l or maybe I'm being unfair there you know what I mean do Flamingo and L I mean do Flamingo account yeah like do Flamingo has a string fruit in theory the string fruit it's you just produce strings but Oda really likes to EXP band on those Concepts a lot to make them do a million things that don't really you can understand why they fit into the category of that fruit but um it's very outside the box thinking and I think that's why I appreciate devil fruits a lot um yeah the G know me initially just the idea of doping with it I don't think that's something I've ever seen thought of with rubber powers in any other context so I put devil fruits above quirks personally so I feel like I'm going to keep devil fruits here I feel like they should be above Brian thanks for the five stands are too high as a system not unique random pow same as devil fruit or X-Men um I disagree that no because okay okay I get what you're saying there they're random Powers 90% random convoluted ability we find out on the Fly it's only creative you're right but at the end of the day does that make for so STS is one of those things I feel like Iraqi as a writer in general he's not a very structured writer at all so he's loose with a million different aspects of Storytelling and it even affects his power system too right but at a certain point I feel like stand stands almost fall into a separate category in my head because at the end of the at the end of the day the final product that we get is wildly entertaining to many people maybe not to you but the concept of just okay we can have this power system which is absolute free flow and each fight creates new rules basically the so if you look at most of these Power Systems right like nen is a set of rules right nen is a set of rules uh cursed energy is a set of rules stands are e stands are basically each fight you deal with a new set of rules and you try and fight in the context in the framework of that set of rules does that make sense so it's not just you know it's not just like X-Men or devil fruit abilities where it's like oh this new guy is fire guy or something like that each fight presents a new layout of rules so it's almost like you're dealing with a not a new power system but just a new um I don't know you're dealing with a very very usually creative new framework every single fight and when you create a power system that's built on the idea that every fight is going to be its own unique framework of rules I think that that is still you know you could say that it's a poorly structured power system overall but it lends itself to what some would say is the most consistently fun battles in a series with the most variet and most options for strategy I think it deserves its spot here because sometimes it's like okay the the best system turns out to be arguably the one with um the the least structure to it you know two opposit ends of the spectrum here between n and stands but they both have their own strengths all right um yeah cursed energy I'm about to ready like we should move this along right um I'm about ready to put it up into SS unless people have some great uh arguments against it some issues I think most everything you can say about cursed energy critique can also be applied to nen I think that actually that's not I think that nen is much better and more carefully pieced together because foundational ideas are laid then we deal with those foundational ideas then maybe next dark a new set of foundational ideas are laid Etc then you build cursed energy I feel like a lot explanation is done dirtier which is just new rules new rules new rules new rules with very Literal time taken to actually lay Foundation maybe spend some time establishing this seeing this in prati it's kind of just like this is a domain and now this is domains a thing and then domains work with barriers by the way which we didn't explain initially when explain domains but they do barriers you guys have seen before but they're tied to domains and stuff and also there's domain amplification but also there's simple domains which is just a way to get around the rules of stuff like a lot of it's thrown at the wall Very quickly um um however however however I do think that Juju suisen does a better job than nen uh at still keeping earlier parts of its rule system relevant later on whereas I think that nen really doesn't it does to a degree but I know that at one point I was watching some earlier episodes of J of of Hunter Hunter where certain parts of n were explained I'm like that almost never comes up later this is pretty much Irrelevant this almost never comes up again or if it comes again it's rare um certain things are static and definitely are still relevant like you know zetsu is a huge part of the the current Arc for example but uh I do think that whereas Hunter Hunter did a better job building its power system I think Juju kaisen does a better job being annoyingly annoyingly consistent with like bringing up its own rules um I think it overexplained its stuff quite a bit I think it goes into especially the big fight that just happened that everyone was talking about a lot of it was just like reiterating and reminding the reader of like rules that were previously established cuz again lot of fits thrown at the wall quickly right but I think it like those are the contrasting strengths I would say there one definitely did did a better job slowly building and creating a framework this one really throws together a framework very fast and dirty but it is a complicated framework uh and I do think that it it keeps most of it in mind almost to its own detriment because it requires so much [ __ ] talking and Exposition just to get through a battle um so I'm going to keep it here I'm going to keep it here people who like nen but don't like cursed energy I still think you you just got to look at the the fight that just happened uh you the fight that just happened I mean 15 20 chapter battle or what like it's it's something that can only work with the you you can't have a fight with that much back and forth and strategic shifts and stuff like that without an SS tier power system you just can't like you can't do some you could do that with bleach but it would just be [ __ ] of like a character being like ah you thought my shikai was this but now it's this and it's like oh my bonai is this but turns out to be this Etc and with Naruto that's never happened any long fight it has it's not pure strategy or like whatever like a lot of it is just it it evolves into you know as people say um just DBZ on a large scale and like key blast and stuff like that this fight that jujuu kaisen just did I I used to be CR more crit like if you go back and watch earlier streams I was more critical of of cursed energy but you you just can't pull off um a fight that long with that many you know back and forths and shifts and strategy and tricks and uh uh clever turnarounds or whatever you can't do that without uh without something like this you just can't I think that it's undebated basically if you're arguing it's less like you can't put it in the same category as [ __ ] Bankai or like whatever the [ __ ] Naro turned into by the end I think that that's just unfair to it uh I think it definitely belongs here I think people like Hunter Hunter a lot better so people are going to be a little more biased towards nen but uh I think it belongs here for sure anyway let's move on magical power not super familiar with seven deadly sins I've only seen it really in bits and pieces as far as I can tell it's just they have magical power like they have magical powers some of them have been gifted certain abilities um you guys tell me where where does where does it go Jon Johnson thanks for the two hey Mor I think he missed my super a while back I am so sorry let me double check let me see if I've been missing anything um Japanese Jim did just say Kaku pasta machine makes devil fruits A Min a minimum devil fruits will stay in a um let me see what Jayvon Johnson said oh I did miss this thanks for the five man hey morge how would you feel about a daav back fight between yonko on Lil for the one piece I believe they'll all be there I feel like Davey back fight I think it's more likely to me that it could happen at elb simply because Shanks is there but I might be wrong also watch out for tomorrow's video because I do talk about something very related to that um people are saying C or D let's let's let people vote don't let your opinion of the series itself guide your choice cuz I know seven deadly sins is not um beloved by most people okay fear uh Vin Mal lazor says I don't know how you can take something as ambiguous as magic and still make it lame that's funny that's funny all right I'm going to go ahead and put magical power in um uh in D um but this is similar grimo Wars grimo wars I think I like grimo Wars I mean I might be I know people hate Black Clover I I'm not a Black Clover hater granted I have not read much of the recent Arc uh so I've have fallen off this year but like I enjoyed it at first just as some junk food like feel good stuff but I grew to feel I don't know I found the characters endearing past a certain point I found it fun um I don't think black Clover's P I think it's at least B I like it I found I find it more fun than quirks because I think I don't know there's just something I don't like about quirks which is that a lot of the abilities feel very I don't know like there's very few abil Quirk abilities that feel cool to me I kind of want to put this here but I feel like people will get mad at me so I feel like we can do a vote I'm okay with putting it here but I I like grimoire stuff grimoire is black clovers power system basically I I don't know it's basic it's very it's just it's like if seven deadly sins is like I don't know it's it's just magic people have fire abilities water abilities Etc but a lot of the abilities I think are pretty cool like um bringing paintings to life um taking characters into a dream world where you know your imagination is your power I think that there's a lot of cool abilities um and then some stuff like Dimension slashes stuff like that I think there's some cool stuff I want to keep it here but people are going to get mad cuz they don't like Black Clover and they're going to make me push it down agenda P thanks for the five please read the most recent jit kaen fight can't spoil but it make a very interesting gear fifth comparison video that's cool there was a lot of takes about it on Twitter I think I saw one one thing about that but I didn't really understand oh people like it I'm seeing the comments now people like it people like it am I allowed to put it up high can I put it up can I put it up high I thought people hate Black Clover so much that they'd like [ __ ] on me for trying to put it at like anywhere high but I like it good I'm seeing some s's all right I'm going to vote I'm going to put some votes in all right cool cool cool all right if I'm allowed to put it higher I don't know if it's like s um but I think it's at least a all right I don't think it's I I don't know but I wouldn't mind putting it in S I think I would put it around here but I'll let the people vote people love Black Clover wasn't Black Clover like the most mocked manga for a while he was like you know how kagura Bachi was mocked for being too wannabe edgy Black Clover was walked for being too like just too cheesy Courtney Naruto Feelgood whatever U like like a a parody of Naruto practically um okay it seems like A's winning but it's yeah seems like A's winning I'm cool with putting it in a I like it there um cuz at the end of the day day I don't think it gets as creative or cool as Bankai personally and uh you know chakra gets to some really it lends itself to some really interesting battles I think that are more nuanced than Black Clover fights but the abilities that you get in Black Clover there's a there's a great variety of him Grizzly Adams thanks for the two Zach Bell did Magic books better yeah I'll say this about um Black Clover which is the I I see the abilities called grimoire I honestly don't remember the like the grimo wars themselves being that relevant like I know that they have books that their spells are technically contained in but I never am thinking like oh boy like this is like a like they're mostly flying at each other hitting each other shooting stuff at each other you know I'm not really thinking about the book um um AA thanks for the two any predictions for chapter 1100 Dragon chapter question mark um but we like you mean dragon in the modern day or what do you mean cuz we just had dragon in 1099 and like the chapter before that and like the chapter before that right so you mean we're cutting back to the modern day I don't think we I feel I would I would like to see would be this chapter keep us roughly at Egghead and get to see a bit more of kizaru camaru Vega Punk Kuma Bonnie those bonds forming um I would like to see some of that um and then maybe next chapter big tragedy or by the end of this chapter big tragedy but I don't want to cut back to the to the present just yet I think it's too too early to me [Music] um yeah we're going to keep this here okay we're going to try and move this along a little bit okay speaking of magic let's let's knock off the last Magic One fairy tale I want to put this here I don't really remember Super Creative magic abilities from Fairy Tale But I feel like there were some that I'm just not not recalling I think it's cuz the main ones that stand out are like fire lightning ice you know the Dragon Slayers but there was some cool stuff there was like Celestial Spirits that they summoned right and um there there was cool stuff come on why we're not going to put fairy tale in D just cuz we don't like fairy tale like just look at the the abilities right were the abilities cool I feel like B is fair it's not worse the it's what's wrong with what's wrong with the abilities Salem says as long it's above as it's above seven convicted pedos it's fine I'm GNA keep it in B I'll keep it in B can someone explain why why the system is really bad I feel like there's some cool stuff from what I remember you know what I I think part of what would what made it dumb to me was just yeah there was stuff like God Slayer Dragon Slayer but a lot of it wasn't really explained like what is Gods Slayer magic did they ever fight a god there why was Dragon Slayer magic better I feel like there was a lot that felt very weirdly explained I guess and a lot of the powerups were I don't know he's just making his dra I don't know the abilities were stale I would agree that the abilities were stale Mike Paradise says I think you're raing the powers instead of the power itself on these to be honest I think that that's true but um like that's a part of it I I think the things that I'm looking at are interesting concept right and we didn't set a great framework because I think a lot of people interpret this question differently but uh interesting concept then does it have a interest interesting framework that sets up for sets it up for complexity and how it can be used and does that complexity then play into um uh more nuanced battles than you would get like let's say if we take key as the the basic thing right so what are we looking for that's not key basically right we're looking for is it a more interesting concept right than just blasts and punches right uh does it lend itself to like are there rules that can interact with other rules to basically make for more nuanced fights that involve some level of of strategy creativity thinking Etc right um and then are the abilities that come out of it just fun ideas I think that that makes for a part of it and ultimately what you're looking for are like are the fights that come out of this system are they do we feel like their creative fights specifically because of the magic system used because one piece has great fights but but I would rarely say usually that's because of the character writing and drama and emotion that goes into it are the fights good um outside of that is there like could you just pick apart what's happening over the course of this battle and say like okay this twist is interesting that twist is interesting this ability uh and how this interacts with this other ability is interesting I think that those are all parts of it you get what I'm saying um because ultimately the goal of a good power system is creating really uh engaging unique fights right that would be engaging and unique independent of the character writing and um drama and emotion surrounding it right so with that regard I would say that fairy tale doesn't really do that that often and I mean that's part of the reason that I put STS so high because even though it doesn't have technically like a really complex rule system or whatever each fight because stands are so widely um uh diverse right and each one's its own thing and they're so outside the box each fight has its own rule system right so every fight like all the fights are for the most part engaging uh creative you get lots of back back and forth you get lots of um twists and turns and things like that and it's all integral to like it's all inherent to what the power system is so based on that yeah I don't think magic and fairy tale is that [Music] good but I don't think it's much worse than quirks right is it worse than quirks [ __ ] it it's fyo we can just put it there where do we want to put Fairy toe let's decide this real quick I'll put it here okay fine we'll vote we'll vote where do we put fairy toale we kind of just put like Attack on Titan and c and didn't really because it's so hard to compare to other ones we kind of just didn't really address anything after that okay most people are saying C we will put it in C oh D is almost in there D's in oh no but most people think it should be C or high though so it can't be D all right um even though D technically won with 38% 62% thought it should be higher than D so it averages out to C okay we're going to figure out these last ones out in the next 5 minutes here all right um breathing Styles I think are solid to me this is like a c uh I think that there's not that much to breathing Styles um I'm not like I like Demon Slayer by the way I think that the Demon Slayer anime is great I think it's like a lot of people call it mid when I watch some demons like I think watch watching the finale the final episodes of like the finale of the battle of season 2 and Demon Slayer I don't think an anime has ever had like me just watching their jaw on the floor for like three episodes straight like that that's never happened the production value on Demon Slayer is just insane um I genuinely enjoy watching it uh I don't really like the manga at all I Tried reading the manga it was was unreadable so turns out a lot of the scene Direction Etc is crucial to my enjoyment of Demon Slayer but I think Demon Slayer is great I just don't think that it's really like there's it it's literally it's just sword styles that are represented by different elements but functionally they're all just sword fighting and I don't think it like all we really get it like some are more based on speed right some seem to be more based on I guess aggression but then some are also kind of really just based on I don't know I'm putting it in C I feel like it's C Jake cash is carried by animation I feel like animation is almost like a disservice to it because it's it's it's everything like it's it's the full production value it's the animation but also the scene Direction the uh because just animation like there's a there's a scene towards the end of uh season 2 that I don't want to spoil but it's like the main character being confronted by and taunted by the villain and um I thought it was a well done scene in the anime I got went and read the Manga and the scene was like nothing it's like over in like two panels it's just like very very generic but the anime the direction the pacing um the atmosphere it's not just animation but I would say overall the production that goes into Demon Slayer yeah you could say it's carried by I think it is carried by that because I literally tried to read the Manga and I couldn't like I tried where season 2 ended I tried to read the Manga afterwards and it was so it was just it was so lifeless and bad I went back to the anime so I would agree that it's carried by its production but at the end of the day I think that it's still a really impressive like at the end of the day if it's if it's captivating to me and um I still kind of remember that sequence of EP that series of episodes towards the end of season two as just the most spectacular like one of the most spectacular and just engaging anime experiences I've ever had and like what does it matter that it's carried by it like we're not comparing Manga Here Right we are comparing it for the purposes of the power system though and I think that the power system is not that great J prisp thanks for the five what three powers would you like to have um I don't really know like you mean Power Systems or like just general Powers if I could have General Powers one would be time control time manipulation if you could stop time uh move time slower go back in time that'd be really cool I think I would just need that one I guess number two would be immortality um and then uh number three would be I don't know something fun like teleporting or something like that or flight flight would be cool all right we're going to keep it here um all right fear okay pyro canus okay fire force fans only do not vote if you're not a fire force fan where should we put this because for me I like one of the reasons I kind of want to drop the series is just because I'm just like I don't know if I want to watch people just use fire as their only ability for like 48 episodes it just seems and I get that they have different uses of it but it just it feels so similar like I've seen explosions a bunch I've seen like fire kicks fire sword like fire flowers is it B sure I'll throw it in B I'll throw it in B I believe that it gets better I just really don't understand why the author decided that he was going to write a series with just fire that seems really really really constrictive uh constrictive I mean he's got to have a lot of Deep ideaz in his bag because I just don't get it I I believe that it's Peak showing a fire usage it better be Peak showing a fire usage because that's the only thing the show's [ __ ] about that's like [ __ ] obviously like it should be way better than like Avatar last air bender in terms of like fire techniques and stuff the the whole [ __ ] show is about fire my question is can just fire usage be as entertaining and interesting of a power system as you know some of the other stuff that's up higher um fear I can't this is from chainsaw man I can't believe that I didn't want to include this earlier I think I just have to rethink a little bit what am I what am I saying with Power Systems I think part of it's it's just cuz like so many chainsaw man fights just come down to just physical fighting versus one another but then I remember certain things like I mean again it's not just supposed to be about how good is the fight the concept of this this is one of my favorite Concepts it's a really really really really cool Concept in terms of a power system like conceptually if we're just raing it conceptually I throw fear in SS tier it's it's [ __ ] awesome because it's the only Series where things that don't I mean it's not the only series but things that don't seem I don't want to spoil anything things that in many other series wouldn't be crazy powerful abilities in this series like a particular devil that showed up um early in chainsm and part two that ability wouldn't be broken in in certain other series but in this series it makes you a top tier uh character right um so stuff like that I I really like that I don't really know like conceptually it's really high but in terms of in practice is it making fights super interesting or something I don't know do a complex rule system that allows for a lot of whatever no I want to put it here I want to put in B I think it's B I don't think it's S I mean I would agree with s in terms of just the concept the concept is so cool but I'm going to I'm going to keep it B and then last one Let's Pretend this one's Undead unluck where do we want to put it Undead unluck I think is a really cool power system I want to put Undead unluck right here I think Undead unluck is really really great um fear is from chainsaw man we're saying this one River friend or power I don't know why I said River Power of friendship is on dead un luck easy right here honestly depending on how fights keep going and the ways the disability gets stretched more I think this could be here UND unluck has a really cool cool power system um there's one in particular that I'm thinking of later down the line that is really really interesting um I think it belongs here or here here I think I'm keeping it here just cuz maybe I need to refresh myself on the series and make sure I'm remembering certain fights as being as cool as they were or creative as they were but I feel like at the end of the day I I think it should be here by the time it all said and done um tala thanks a lot what is the argument for hockey greater than keyi fusion and uh whatever greater than um the argument is i l i don't think these are really good so I really didn't think about them um it's pretty much it you want key here here let's do a quick pull we can do hockey versus key I'm going to put it here I'm going to put it here um because it's just I think it's better than these two I'm going to put it here hockey versus key I don't care because I don't think either of them are that good but key gets the excuse of not being good in that it was written 40 years ago uh you know it was written a long time ago um and it provides the basis for pretty much everything else on this list so it gets a pass um whereas hockey has kind of no reason to not be be an improvement you guys have it at B basically 550 I'm going to keep him in the same tier Mr Crescent says anime kind of botched wait really they botch the reveal I won't say it out loud I won't say it out loud but I'm surprised hockey's getting better key is getting worse are you're saying like in in the in both anime respectively I don't care I think they're whatever okay hockey's winning the poll slightly but not enough that I would bump it up a tier or move key down a tier all right time to vote on the best one that you guys think me if I had to pick the best one I honestly can't pick I honest I I would say that the one if I'm I'm not going to say that St is I'm never going to say STS is the best power system because it feels disrespectful to like you know the intricacies of nen that they spent so like Tashi spent so much time putting together or even what Juju kaisen just did in the type of fight that it just constructed um but I'm going to be honest like STS lends itself for me like you can just have a and not every stand fight is good God knows many of them are bad many many many of them are bad but Sans just lends themselves Sans just lend themselves to to being able to do just a full series of back to back to back to back to back fights and they're all going to be somewhat entertaining some are great some are bad but they're all like you know F like at least modly entertaining because new stand new ability so for me I think I just got a soft spot for stands I'm never going to argue it's the best because it's not like well constructed or whatever but it's my personal favorite so I've got no horse in this game in terms of what you guys vote cuz I already think that the one that I like best isn't really the best it's just it's just a it's it's a fun one because it's it allows itself to be dumb um and not really have rules so I'll do the poll while I answer this these last couple supers and then we're going to call the stream best power system um then I'll I'll do it by by name Hunter Hunter Jujitsu Kaizen JoJo stands specifically um Undead unlock I put St specifically for Jojo so you guys don't think h on or something like that okay obviously you wouldn't I don't know I just put it Brian thanks for the 20 Attack on Titan low for not being cool blasts unique with pats 13-year limit how it's passed down and the specific rules of the system is what makes Crazy plot points possible like choosing Irwin or Arwin memory manipulation B at least h i mean I think the okay I think I just don't I put Attack on Titan on in a separate category because the these are more like like battle anime about like fights and stuff like that usually over friendship and stuff like that attack on Titan yeah it's a power system like I think the Titans are insanely cool I think the setup is insanely cool I think the world of Attack on Titan that we're initially introduced to and these monsters it's it's all awesome it's just uh I don't think about it in terms of you know like when a Titan's fighting another Titan I just don't think that there's as much of a rues like the ability and the concept of the Titans is what's so so cool right and that's really really what makes the series so popular and so um uh such a big draw for so many people but I I don't think you know when I'm seeing a Titan fight another Titan yeah there's certain things like hardening and stuff like that but I don't think that it plays that big of a role it's out of like ultimately coming down to some level of fist to cuffs you know um I'm not trying to knock Titans as a it's an amazing concept but but you know Hunter Hunter seems to win Jud kaisen and JoJo's decently far behind Undead and luck maybe it'll catch up someday but uh yeah I kind of I thought people would would put jit to kaisen a little closer but uh you know Hunter Hunter probably deserves it at the end of the day um yeah seems well earned decisive Landslide Victory John 678 thanks a lot can we also do one for magical power versus keyi no I do have to wrap stream I've gone a little longer than I liked remix game thanks for the five and thank you everyone say thank you to remix game before we close for making the the other tier list hopefully it will be used in some other context just not this one um if you plan on making other tier lists or just involving or just things involving a group of different anime reach out on Twitter I wrote a comment on your post wrote a comment on my post which post let's see let me make sure I figure this out now before I forget um oh okay here we go I found you all right I gave you a follow thanks man I really really appreciate that I appreciate the offer uh I might hit you if there's something like a little outside the box to try um but obviously you know like uh you're no obligation whatsoever for you to for you to do it um we could just work with what you already created but I really really appreciate that sorry we didn't end up using it um but yeah uh nothing we did the poll we did the poll twice so I'm sorry man but thanks anyway um gonna have to call call stream here um yeah thanks everybody for tuning in and um yeah then voted best power system in manga good stuff deserved winner I will talk to you all later

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Length: 173min 23sec (10403 seconds)

Published: Tue Nov 28 2023