>> THE >> ROLLING STONES HAVE LONG BEEN CONSIDERED ONE OF THE GREATEST ROCK BANDS OF ALL TIME. BUT MOST DON'T KNOW ABOUT THE 4 WOMEN WHO WORK BEHIND THE SCENES TO HELP SHAPE THE BAND'S IMAGE. YOU CAN READ ALL ABOUT THEIR FASCINATING LIVES AND THE ROLES THEY PLAYED. ELIZABETH WINTER'S NEW BOOK. >> IT'S CALLED PARACHUTE WOMEN. MARIANNE FAITHFULL. MARSHA HUNT, BIANCA JAGGER TO PALIN BERGEN, THE WOMEN BEHIND THE ROLLING STONES. ELIZABETH JOINS US NOW. THANK YOU FOR BEING WITH US. THANK YOU. ALLOW A LOW. SO ALWAYS HEAR ABOUT WOMEN BEHIND THE MEN. WE'VE HEARD THAT A MILLION TIMES. WHAT MAKES THESE WOMEN DIFFERENT? THEY'RE NOT GROUPIES. 3RD THERE, SOMETHING DIFFERENT THAN THAT. >> ABSOLUTELY RIGHT. THEY'RE NOT GROUPIES. THAT'S ONE OF THE REASONS WHY WROTE THIS BOOK. WHAT'S SO FASCINATING ABOUT THESE 4 WOMEN IS THAT REALLY THEIR CONFIDENCE AND THEIR SOUTH POSSESSION WITHOUT THE FOR THE ROLLING STONES MET THESE WOMEN. KNOW, THEY WERE GREAT MUSICIANS, BUT THEY DIDN'T HAVE THAT SORT OF PIRATES FLAGGER THAT REALLY DEFINES ROCK'N'ROLL CULTURE AS WE KNOW IT. IT IS THESE WOMEN THAT HIM THAT CONFIDENCE GIVEN THEIR STYLE, INTRODUCE THEM TO ARTISTS AND WRITERS AND EVEN IT INTRODUCED THEM TO THAT SORT OF DALGLEISH ROCK STAR THAT PERSONALITY THAT WE KNOW. >> WHERE THESE THE FOR THE RIGHT ABOUT A TEAM OF SORTS TODAY WORK TOGETHER AS ALLIES. >> YES, AND NO. NEED A POUND. BERGEN, MARIANNE FAITHFULL, A WONDERFUL, REALLY LIFELONG FRIENDSHIP DEVELOPED BETWEEN THEY WERE THEY'VE BEEN TURNED TOGETHER FOR A WHILE SINCE 1965 1966. AND THEY HAVE SO MUCH IN COMMON. THEY BOTH LOVE LITERATURE, LEFT THE ARTS AND STAYED FRIENDS THROUGH THICK AND THIN. THERE IS A THERE'S A LOT OF AND THEIR FRIENDSHIP WAS ONE OF THE MOST AMAZING THINGS TO WRITE ABOUT WHAT THIS BOOK WITH A NEED TO POUND BERGEN, BIANCA THERE DEFINITELY WAS A RIVALRY. THEY CAME FROM VERY DIFFERENT WORLDS. AND VERY DIFFERENT YOU KNOW, THEY'RE SORT OF LIKE BOTH BOTH GOING ON. WANT A TEAM IN TERMS OF THE WHERE ALL OF THEM IN RELATIONSHIPS WITH MICK JAGGER SOME POINT. THAT WAS THE COMMON THREAD TO THE OTHER ROLLING STONES WRITTEN, YOU KNOW, RESENT THAT THAT THESE WOMEN WERE HAVING INFLUENCE OR NO. >> WOW, THINK THE ANSWER IS REALLY COMPLICATED. BUT ONE OF THE SURPRISING THINGS ABOUT THAT THAT I THAT LEARNED IN THE PROCESS OF WRITING THIS BOOK WAS THAT THE STONES DID NOT DID NOT REALLY HAVE RESENTMENT ABOUT THE INFLUENCE THAT THESE WOMEN WERE I THINK THAT THEY WERE VERY GRATEFUL FOR AND I THINK THAT THEY WERE SMART ENOUGH TO REALIZE. HOWARD, THAT THESE WOMEN HAD AND SORT OF HOW HOW HELPFUL THAT THEY COULD BE ARE, KNOW, HOW HOW TOLD THAT THEIR INFLUENCE COULD BE CERTAINLY MAKE REALIZE THAT. I THINK I THINK THAT HE JUST SORT OF UNRAVELED IN IT WE THINK OF, YOU KNOW, CULTURE IS SUCH A MASCULINE SORT OF WORLD A LOT OF WAYS IT'S KIND OF THE BASTION OF ACCEPTABLE SAXTON. SO I THINK, KNOW, WE THINK OF LIKE PEOPLE TALK ABOUT YOKO ONO BREAKING UP. THE BEATLES, COURSE, IS NOT TRUE. BUT IN THIS CASE, IT WAS REALLY QUITE THE OPPOSITE. THE THAT THE STONES KIND OF PURSUIT THESE WOMEN AND AND WANTED THEIR INFLUENCE. >> I'M SURE YOU'VE SEEN THE MOVIE ALMOST FAMOUS AND I'M WONDERING FOR FOR PEOPLE WATCHING THIS. I I WENT IMMEDIATELY TO THE KATE HUDSON CHARACTER BOUT HOW SHE, YOU KNOW, SUPPORT OF THE BAND EMOTIONAL AND LOTS OF DIFFERENT WAYS IN RELATIONSHIP AS WELL AS IT KIND COMPARISON IS THAT BALLPARK TO TO THESE WOMEN? >> I LOVE THAT MOVIE FOR FIRST OF AND THERE THERE'S THE COMPARISONS ARE CERTAINLY, YOU KNOW, I CAN SEE HOW THAT WOULD HAPPEN. I THINK THAT THIS THESE WOMEN WERE A LITTLE DIFFERENT I THINK I THINK THAT BIANCA JAGGER DID REALLY EMOTIONALLY SUPPORT NECK IN THE BEGINNING OF THEIR RELATIONSHIP. AND MARSHA HUNT AS WELL IN TERMS OF HER FRIENDSHIP WITH BUT WITH REGARDING A PALIN BIRD, I THINK THAT HER. SHE DID NOT THIS DID NOT PRIORITIZE THE BAND IN ANY WAY BAIT. WE'RE VERY INDEPENDENT AND REALLY PRIORITIZE THEMSELVES. CATCH. AND SO AND IN THESE WOMEN WERE LIKE MARIANNE FAITHFULL AND AND MARSHA HUNT WHERE MUSICIANS IN THEIR OWN RIGHT? DID THEY HAVE DID ANY OF THEM HAVE ANY INFLUENCE ON THE MUSIC? >> ABSOLUTELY, MARY. AND SO WHEN MAKING MARIANNE FAITHFULL WERE TOGETHER, PARTICULARLY IN THE BEGINNING YEARS THAT THEIR RELATIONSHIP EUNA 1967, 1968. >> MARIANNE FAITHFULL WAS STILL IS A VERY LITERARY PERSON. SHE'S A WONDERFUL WRITER TO SORT OF LIVES AND BREATHES POETRY. SO MAKE WOULD COME TO MARY ANN FOR HELP WITH WRITING THE LYRICS MANY OF THEIR COURSE SHE'S NOT CREDITED. YEAH. AND MARIANNE FAITHFULL ACTUALLY WROTE THE SONG SISTER MORPHINE AND WITH THE DACA RELEASED THE BUT THEN QUICKLY PULLED IT BECAUSE THEY RESPECT THAT SUCH A BACKLASH CALL SHIRLEY ABOUT A WOMAN SINGING AND WRITING A SONG ABOUT DRUGS, ABOUT HARROWING A FEW YEARS LATER, THE STONES RECORDED SISTER MORPHINE RELEASED IT ON STICKY FINGERS WITHOUT CREDITING MARION CASE. IS I MEAN. >> IS THIS EVER BEEN A LAWSUIT ABOUT SOME OF THOSE THINGS? MEAN, OVER THE YEARS OR IF THEY STAYED FRIENDLY? >> I THEY THEY THEY HAVE STAYED FRIENDLY FOR THE MOST PART. YEAH, INTERESTING, OR YOU CAN FOLLOW ELIZABETH ON SOCIAL MEDIA. >> THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR JOINING US. I THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME.
