Attorney for Stormy Daniels, Karen McDougal testifies about hush money deals

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>>> YESTERDAY THE JUDGE FINED DONALD TRUMP $9,000 AND WARNED HIM FUTURE VIOLATIONS COULD LAND HIM IN JAIL. THE JUDGE ALSO GRANTED TRUMP'S REQUEST TO ATTEND HIS SON'S HIGH SCHOOL GRADUATION ON MAY 17th. TESTIMONY RESUMED WITH FOUR WITNESSES TAKING THE STAND FOR THE PROSECUTION DURING THE DAY. NEXT UP WAS MORE FROM THE FORMER BANKER FOR MICHAEL COHEN. TESTIFYING ABOUT THE CREATION OF A SHELL COMPANY THAT PROSECUTORS SAY WAS USED TO PAY ADULT FILM ACTRESS STORMY DANIELS, THE $130,000 HUSH MONEY PAYMENT TO KEEP HER QUIET ABOUT AN ALLEGED AFFAIR WITH TRUMP. >> BUT THE DAY'S MOST SIGNIFICANT WITNESS WAS KEITH DAVIDSON WHO SAID HE WAS SUBPOENAED TO TESTIFY IN THE CASE AND GOT HIMSELF IMMUNITY. HE'S THE FORMER ATTORNEY FOR STORMY DANIELS AND KAREN McDOUGAL WHO ALSO ALLEGES AN AFFAIR WITH TRUMP. TRUMP DENIED ANY SEXUAL ENCOUNTERS WITH EITHER WOMEN. DAVIDSON REPRESENTED STORMY DANIELS AND KAREN McDOUGAL. HE SAID HE BELIEVES THE MONEY GIVEN TO HIS CLIENTS WAS FROM TRUMP BUT HE COULD NOT RECALL MICHAEL COHEN NEGOTIATING ON TRUMP'S BEHALF. LET'S BRING IN LEGAL CORRESPONDENT, LISA REUBEN. KEITH DAVIDSON DIDN'T SAY HE REMEMBERED COHEN SAYING THIS IS FOR DONALD TRUMP. WHAT IS THE IMPACT OF THAT? >> YOU KNOW, HE SAID THAT HE UNDERSTOOD ULTIMATELY THAT THE MONEY WAS GOING TO COME FROM DONALD TRUMP. AND THAT WAS A VERY HARD FOUGHT ADMISSION. THE ASSISTANT DA LEADING THE QUESTIONING, RAN INTO HIS FIRST BIG ROADBLOCKS YESTERDAY TRYING TO GET THAT CLEANLY FROM KEITH DAVIDSON AND TRYING TO ESTABLISH IT WAS HIS UNDERSTANDING NOT JUST HIS ASSUMPTIONS, ULTIMATELY HE GOT THAT EVEN AFTER COHEN GOT FRUSTRATED AND SAID, GOD BLANK IT I'LL PAY IT MYSELF. HE GOT DAVIDSON TO SAY BUT I UNDERSTOOD AT THE END OF THE DAY THAT MONEY WAS GOING TO COME FROM DONALD TRUMP. AND ONE OF THE WAYS HE UNDERSTOOD THAT, HE SAID THAT COHEN, PART OF HIS IDENTITY WAS HE, WORKED FOR DONALD TRUMP, HE NEVER LET YOU FORGET IT. IT WAS CLEAR WHATEVER COHEN WAS DOING HE WAS DOING FOR TRUMP AT TRUMP'S BEHEST. HE COULD NOT MAKE THE PAYMENT WITHOUT TRUMP'S KNOWLEDGE AND PERMISSION IS THE IMPRESSION THAT DAVIDSON LEFT US WITH. >> MAKING THE POINT TO GO STEP BY STEP WITNESS BY WITNESS OF EVERY PART OF THIS TRANSACTION. IS ANYTHING AT THIS POINT SURPRISING YOU IN TERMS OF THE DETAIL HERE AND HOW MUCH THEY'RE PINNING DOWN EXACTLY HOW THIS MONEY ULTIMATELY GOT BACK TO MICHAEL COHEN THROUGH TRUMP? >> I THINK WHAT'S SURPRISING ME IS HOW PAIN STAKING IT IS. >> EXACTLY. >> AND HOW MUCH SCAFFOLDING THEY'RE BUILDING AROUND THE NARRATIVE WE UNDERSTAND FROM MICHAEL COHEN'S PERMEATION OF OUR CULTURE. MICHAEL COHEN'S NARRATIVE IS ONE WE'RE ALL AT THIS TABLE AND MANY OF OUR VIEWERS ARE FAMILIAR WITH. WHAT WE DIDN'T KNOW IS HOW MANY OTHER PEOPLE TOUCHED THIS TRANSACTION, WERE A PART OF THE CONVERSATIONS AROUND IT. FOR EXAMPLE THE TEXT YESTERDAY -- >> THE TEXTS. >> BETWEEN KEITH DAVIDSON AND DYLAN HOWARD OF AMERICAN MEDIA WERE REVELATORY ABOUT HOW MUCH BACK AND FORTH WENT INTO ARRANGING THESE DEALS. >> IN OUR COVERAGE OF TRUMP OVER THE YEARS. HE DOESN'T EMAIL. HE COVERS HIS TRACKS. THERE'S NO KIND OF NOTHING TOUCHES HIM. ALTHOUGH THIS FELT A LITTLE DIFFERENT BECAUSE THERE WERE A LOT OF TEXTS AND EMAILS AROUND HIM AND THERE WERE MORE PEOPLE INVOLVED THAN I EXPECTED. I THOUGHT IT WAS GOING TO BE JUST MICHAEL COHEN AND ULTIMATELY THE PEOPLE WHO RECEIVED THE MONEY. BUT NO, THIS IS A SCHEME WITH MULTIPLE PARTICIPANTS. >> I WAS INTERESTED YESTERDAY IN HOW DAVIDSON SAID THAT AFTER THE "ACCESS HOLLYWOOD" TAPE CAME OUT HOW THINGS ACCELERATED AND CHANGED THEN. DESCRIBE WHY THAT IS IMPORTANT FOR THE PROSECUTION. >> AFTER THE "ACCESS HOLLYWOOD" TAPE COMES OUT, THERE'S AN UNDERSTANDING THAT EVEN THOUGH THE STORMY DANIELS STORY HAS BEEN IN CIRCULATION DATING BACK TO 2011 AND KEITH DAVIDSON DESCRIBED HOW HIS FIRST INTERACTION WITH COHEN GOES BACK TO 2011 BECAUSE COHEN WAS FURIOUS IT GOT INTO THE PUBLIC DOMAIN. BUT THE WAY IN WHICH THOSE TWO PEOPLE INTERACTED, I THOUGHT WAS FASCINATING. DAVIDSON DID NOT WANT TO BE A PART OF THIS. AND HE TRIED TO EXTRICATE HIMSELF FROM THIS BUT BECAUSE OF THE URGENCY FELT BY MICHAEL COHEN AND THE "NATIONAL ENQUIRER," KEITH DAVIDSON GAVE THE AURA JUST WHEN I THOUGHT I WAS OUT, THEY PULLED ME BACK IN. >> THEY PLAYED THE TAPE -- >> NO, THEY DID NOT -- >> THEY READ IT -- HOW DID -- >> THEY READ PORTIONS OF A TRANSCRIPT IN THE DEPOSITION OF THE E. JEAN CASE. THINKING WHY IS THAT RELEVANT? IT CONTAINS ADMISSIONS LIKE THIS IS MY X HANDLE. I WAS MARRIED TO MELANIA DURING THIS PERIOD OF TIME. EVEN GETTING THOSE REALLY BASIC ADMISSIONS FROM THE HORSE'S MOUTH SO TO SPEAK, HAS BEEN FUNDAMENTAL TO PROSECUTORS. >> I GUESS MY POINT JONATHAN LEMIRE, IS HEARING THESE THINGS READ OUT LOUD IS SOMETIMES WORSE THAN SEEING THEM ON TAPE. >> YEAH. EXTRAORDINARILY CRINGE WORTHY. BUT ALSO POTENTIALLY IMPACTFUL AND LAYING AN IMPORTANT FOUNDATION. LET'S TALK ABOUT THE GAG ORDER SPEAKING OF FOUNDATIONS AND THE JUDGE HOLDING TRUMP IN CONTEMPT. IT'S ONLY $9,000 FOR TRUMP NOT A LOT OF MONEY, OTHER PEOPLE IT WOULD BE. TELL US WHY IT'S IMPORTANT THE JUDGE DID THIS. IS HE SENDING A SIGNAL I'M GOING TO TREAT YOU LIKE ANY OTHER DEFENDANT YOU VIOLATED, HERE. COULD THAT MEAN GOING FORWARD HE HAS ANOTHER HEARING TOMORROW ON THE SAME ISSUE MORE POTENTIAL VIOLATIONS. COULD IT MEAN ENDING UP WITH TRUMP IN JAIL? >> IT COULD BUT A LOT OF THINGS HAVE TO GO THAT WAY. TOMORROW'S HEARING ISN'T ONE PREDICATED ON THAT NOTICE. THE THINGS WE'RE GOING TO TALK ABOUT TOMORROW ARE THINGS TRUMP HAS ALREADY DONE. THEY PREDATE THIS DECISION. SO YOU CAN'T SAY TRUMP HAD FAIR WARNING WHEN HE SAID THOSE THINGS THAT THE JUDGE WAS WILLING TO IMPOSE AN INCARCERATION PENALTY. BUT MARCHAND IS SAYING TO THE PUBLIC, INCLUDING EVERYONE ELSE, IT'S NOT ENOUGH THAT THE STATUTE ONLY PERMITS ME TO FINE THIS GUY $1,000 PER. IT SHOULD BE A PENALTY THAT'S MEANINGFUL TO THE PERSON I'M AWARDING IT AGAINST IN THIS SITUATION IT DOESN'T HURT THIS GUY. MY HANDS ARE TIED. MY OPTIONS ARE JAIL OR $1,000 PER VIOLATION. I THINK THE OTHER THING THAT IT HINGES HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH DONALD TRUMP AT ALL. THERE'S A PARAGRAPH WHERE MARCHAND SAID IT'S NOT LOST ON ME THE GUY IS THE PRESUMPTIVE GOP NOMINEE AND WITNESSES CANNOT USE THE GAG ORDER AS A SWORD AND SHIELD. SO MY UNDERSTANDING OF WHAT COUNTS AS A VIOLATION IN THE FUTURE WILL BE CONTINGENT ON HOW OTHER PEOPLE RELEVANT TO THIS MATTER BEHAVE. MICHAEL COHEN AND STORMY DANIELS, IF YOU CONTINUE TO USE THE GAG ORDER AS PROTECTION FOR YOUR OWN SELF, WHILE TAKING SWIPES AT HIM THAT HE CAN'T TAKE AT YOU. THAT WILL INFLUENCE WHAT I UNDERSTOOD TO BE THE VIOLATION. I AM SENSITIVE TO THE DEFENSE HE RAISED THAT HE'S ENTITLED TO DEFEND HIMSELF. I'M GOING TO TAKE THAT IN CONSIDERATION. >> HE WANTS DECORUM. >> WERE YOU IN THE COURTROOM? >> I WAS FOR PART OF THE DAY YESTERDAY. >> SO YOU EXPERTLY GIVE US THE SUBSTANCE. TALK ATMOSPHERE. DONALD TRUMP ALLEGED TO HAVE DOZED OFF AGAIN A COUPLE OF TIMES. MAYBE HIS LIDS GOT HEAVY. I DON'T KNOW I CAN'T JUDGE IF HE WAS SLEEPING BUT HE CERTAINLY WAS SNAPPING TOO A COUPLE OF TIMES. IT'S COLD IN THERE -- >> IT WASN'T YESTERDAY. >> -- WHICH THEORETICALLY KEEPS YOU AWAKE. TELL US ABOUT HIM YESTERDAY. >> HIS DEMEANOR CHANGES. I ELWILL TELL YOU WHERE I SAT IN THE OVERFLOW ROOM YESTERDAY, DONALD TRUMP APPEARED TO BE ASLEEP OR RESTING MORE OFTEN THAN NOT, PARTICULARLY DURING THE FIRST PART OF THE DAY WHERE WE HEARD FROM WITNESSES WHO WERE THERE AS MOSTLY RECORDS CUSTODIANS. ON THE OTHER HAND WHERE THE SUBJECT MATTER IS VERY CLEARLY DONALD TRUMP AND WHAT DONALD TRUMP MIGHT HAVE BEEN THINKING, LIKE WE'VE SEEN, FOR EXAMPLE, WITH KEITH DAVIDSON'S TESTIMONY OR THE MORE EXPLOSIVE MOMENTS OF DAVID PECKER, DONALD TRUMP IS SITTING THERE AND APPRAISING AND WATCHING. >> OF COURSE HE'S INTERESTED. >> HE IS SELECTIVELY CHOOSING WHEN TO ENGAGE, BUT PARTICULARLY IN THE MORNING THIS WAS NOT A PERSON VERY INTERESTED OR ENRAPTURED WHAT WAS GOING ON. >> DID HAVING ERIC THERE MAKE A DIFFERENCE? >> NO, HAVING ERIC THERE WAS SAD TO WATCH. THIS MIGHT HAVE BEEN THE FIRST TIME ERIC HAS SEEN SOME OF THESE DOCUMENTS AND I AND OTHER REPORTERS NOTICED AT TIMES ERIC TRUMP WAS LOOKING AT THE DOCUMENTATION THROUGH WHICH THIS DEAL WAS DONE INCLUDING EMAILS BETWEEN COHEN AND DAVIDSON AND LOOKING AT THEM INTERESTINGLY. IN PARTICULAR THE CONTRACT BETWEEN PEGGY AND DAVID, THE PSEUDONYMS FOR DONALD TRUMP AND STORMY DANIELS WATCHING ERIC WATCH THOSE DOCUMENTS AS A HUMAN BEING STRUCK ME. >> THAT'S HARD. >>
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Channel: MSNBC
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Keywords: Joe Scarborough, Willie Geist, Morning Joe, Mika Brzezinski, MSNBC, MSNBC news, MSNBC live, MSNBC TV, news, breaking news, current events, US news, politics, politics news, political news, elections, morning joe full, morning joe live, morning joe today, Donald Trump, Trump, President Trump, Trump trial, Trump hush money trial, Stormy Daniels, Karen McDougal
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Length: 10min 48sec (648 seconds)
Published: Wed May 01 2024
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