Ashes of Creation - Don't believe the hype

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Channel: Josh Strife Hayes

Views: 591,882

Keywords: ashes of creation, overhyped, hyped games, saviour mmo, save the mmo, best upcoming mmo, aoc mmo, next big mmo

Id: F-UIejcyrGo

Length: 22min 22sec (1342 seconds)

Published: Mon Apr 19 2021

Reddit Comments

[u/coconutham]

Response from Steven Sharif to the video:

Hey Josh! Appreciate the vid :) I'd tend to agree that in most cases, hyping a game in development can raise expectations to unattainable heights and ultimately negatively impact the impression upon release for a game. With that being said though, I would caveat, there is a clear distinction between hype and excitement. Players should feel comfortable in expressing their excitement for a game or company based on solid reasons. Whether that excitement is for things like; graphics, designs, gameplay, philosophy, customer service, community interaction, transparency etc. When projects get this type of support and feedback from fans it helps the development by motivating the developers and dare I say, the industry in a few ways. Consumers aka players have a very powerful voice when it comes to expressing their content or discontent with the direction of a genre, or project. And it's important to use that voice so companies can navigate better when catering gaming experiences for their audiences. So in summary, tempering expectations can be a good thing, but don't be afraid to express your excitement or support for projects that you feel are doing a good job in specific areas. Cheers! <3

[u/D4ni3l99]

The video is about not irrationally hyping a game, because you will inevitably be dissappointed by even a 9/10 game ,when you expect a 11/10,

but the comments just turned into irrational hate instead, which is even worse, because low morale will just actually make the game worse or develop slower.

[u/Prixm]

If there is something Ive learned from trying every MMO release since early 2000s - Do not ever, ever, I mean EVER hype yourself over an MMO. There has been three MMOs that actually did their job for me through more than 20 years of playing MMOs, those are World of Warcraft, Rift and Wildstar, the latter being the best of the bunch, it was by far to hardcore for the mainstream player and therefore died Im afraid.

Ive seen most of the developer content released for Ashes of Creation, and lets just say, its very early still. I just hope its going to be a good MMO, but most likely its not, most likely it has promised way too much and will crash and burn, its just the way the MMO market works.

[u/Maezriel_]

Can't say I disagree.

I have my excitements for the game, but jesus god do players never learn to come at these things realistically.

I really do believe players are going to be their own worse enemies here as people have gone absolutely wild w/ what they want from this singular game. I've lost count of how many people I've talked to that have confidently stated that once released AoC will be the only game they ever play for the next few years and that's just insane to me when Intrepid is years out from anything resembling a Beta.

If CDPR of all studios can release something like CP2077 then it's very possible for Intrepid to fumble and the best way for them to bounce out of that is if we all go in w/ reasonable expectations rather than demanding perfection.

[u/Sazy23]

I clicked the video hoping to hear some actual criticism and valid points.

Only got "It won't live up to your expectations"

Every mmo for the last 10 years didn't live up to my expectations.

Ashes looks promising though fingers crossed but as for expectations nope I'll sit on the fence watching.

[u/MC_Knight24]

Lets see what British Han Solo has to say about it!

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TL:DW Basically...stop hyping the game up. It's bound to disappoint if you do and the footage they've shown isn't revolutionary looking.

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And he's 100% right, but that's also the double edge sword of showing the entire development of a game from start from finish. Which I don't even think it's a double edge blade, it's more of a single blade that you just destroy the developer with until they have completed a game then you hand them the sword. I agree with everything he has said tbh. Ashes has a lot of revolutionary things on paper, it's not close to finishing, what we have seen isn't world breaking.

[u/ScofieldxD]

For the record, i've never been met with a more personal interaction with the developers. They literally reply to everyone they can on their social media posts, if someone makes a fan made art peice and tags them, guess what, they answer. This is the first game developing company that IS a part of the community, and not above it. They go to very great lengths to broadcast their true nature, and their true development of the game, they don't hide behind professional public speakers to sell their products before release like others do, and they genuinly WANT to take community tips & tricks and add it to their play books to make the game better.

With that said, even if they launch and the game is a flop, I will still be here and give them my support as long as they stay true to their nature and doesn't sell out with expensive game destroying items to make a profit as fast as they can.

I've also wanted to create my own virtual world and make it real, and make it a world i can be proud in creating, and not do it for profit, but as an achievment in my own life, the difference is Steven actually did it and im still broke lol. Anyways, As I said, modern day MMO's are expected to not have even the smallest of bugs, which is completely insane to think, it takes a very long time, but a game isn't a perfect game just because it's bug free, quite the opposite actually, bugs can be fun and it can be part of the game until it get's patched and years later you will have it as a memory with your friends like "oh you remember that bug that made u fly lol that was fun", or something like that.

I truly believe that what they are creating is GENUINE, and as Steven said, hype and excitement isn't the same thing, Cyberpunk was hyped, Classic WoW was hyped, No mans sky was hyped. Right now we are all excited and we all just follow along with the production, and as I said before, as long as they stay true to their nature and don't sell out, they will have my unwavering support for years to come. I'm looking forward to see first gameplay, and for the launch hopefully next year, stay safe until then and FYI i dont think videos like this are bad, he had a valid opinion and it's worth to discuss, it can't always be a rain of positive income across the board, we have to have discussions together as a community no matter what, even if someone hates the game don't get mad but instead show them your opinion instead. <3

[u/XamosLife]

I succumbed to cyberpunk hype, no mans sky hype, rome 2 hype. Never again, reel that shit in and look and play the game with an objective eye. It's a game, not a divine rebirth.

[u/[deleted]]

This dude (JoshStrifeHayes) knows his mmos, I think he’s played every mmo in existence, even ones that barely qualify as video games (check out his “worst mmos” playlist if you don’t believe me).

I can only imagine that a guy with that much mmo experience would look askance at some of the wildest fan speculations about AoC.

I do think the callout of KiraTV’s a bit hyped video title was a bit unfair, as Kira is another skeptic who is constantly telling people to temper expectations about AoC.