Armed Woman Kills Motorist During 'Citizen's Arrest' After Collision | Hannah Payne Case Analysis

this is Dr Grande today's question is can I analyze the case of Hannah Payne and Kenneth Herring just a reminder I'm not diagnosing anybody in this video only speculating about what could be happening in a situation like this if you enjoyed this video please like it subscribe to my channel and consider supporting me on patreon looking at a few of my recent pre-released videos on patreon we see enigmatic thumbnails like rubber mallet Satan zombie house Demolition and trash compactor Affair in addition there are over 170 other videos available on my patreon my patreon account can be found at patreon.com Grande the link is also in the description for this video first I'll look at the timeline of the crime then move to my analysis on May 7 2019 at about 6 p.m. 62-year-old Kenneth Herring was driving a Dodge pickup truck in Clayton County Georgia this is just just south of Atlanta at the intersection of Clark how Highway and Forest Parkway Kenneth ran a red light and collided with a tractor trailer it did not appear as though anyone was seriously injured or injured at all both vehicles pulled over and the police were notified a 21-year-old woman named Hannah Payne who was not involved in the Collision pulled over to render assistance she was driving a Jeep Wrangler another witness a correctional officer named Terry Robinson also pulled over to help according to Hannah as everyone was waiting for the police to arrive Terry implied that Kenneth was intoxicated about 15 to 20 minutes later prior to the police arriving Kenneth climbed into his pickup truck and drove West on Forest Parkway Hannah decided to pursue Kenneth in her Jeep Wrangler she communicated with a 911 operator during this Pursuit as Hannah weaved in and out of traffic to catch up with Kenneth the operator told Hannah four times not to follow him on one occasion when she was told to stop pursuing Hannah responded quote he is drunk I'm not I'm sorry but I'm here to tell you that I'm not not going to follow him because he is going to cause an accident unquote Hannah's driving and her use of grammar shared the same recklessness about 2 mil west of the intersection of Forest Parkway and Riverdale Road Hannah pulled her Jeep in front of Kenneth's pickup truck and partially blocked his path both vehicles came to a stop Hannah exited her Jeep Wrangler approached the driver's side of Kenna's pickup truck and started communicating with him it's not clear exactly what happened at this point different stories were supplied by various Witnesses including Hannah one thing is for certain shortly after confronting Kenneth Hannah produced a 9mm semi-automatic pistol and shot him one time the police arrived at 6:20 p.m. and found Kenneth Herring sitting in the front seat of his pickup truck he had a gunshot wound to his abdomen Kenneth was transported to a hospital but he died less than an hour later he may have been having an unrelated medical emergency when he was shot perhaps caused by diabetes but the gunshot wound was the cause of his death Hannah Payne was arrested and charged with felony murder malice murder aggravated assault false imprisonment and possession of a firearm during the commission of a felony her trial started on December 6 2023 here was the story presented by Hannah and Her defense Hannah decided to pursue Kenneth because she believed that no one had recorded his license plate number she claimed that Terry used the word go as if directing her to pursue Kenneth Hannah said that she wasn't really chasing Kenneth rather just trying to stay behind him she wanted to keep the police up to date on what Kenneth was doing and facilitate him being located by the police when Kenneth stopped in a turn lanane Hannah pulled in front of him she approached Kenneth's vehicle on foot with her phone on speaker to show him that she was communicating with the police Hannah informed Kenneth that the 911 operator had asked both of them to return to the scene of the Collision Kenneth asked her who the blank she was Hannah explained that she was nobody at this point Kenneth knocked the phone out of Hannah's hand grabbed a wrist pulled her toward his pickup truck and said I have something for you Kenneth moved his truck forward Hannah saw her life flash before her eyes Kenneth reached behind his front seat before mashing the gas he collided into Hannah's Jeep which prompted her to draw her pistol from The holster on her hip Kenneth grabbed her hand which was holding the pistol he tried to get the gun away from her as he pulled the firearm it discharged Hannah picked up her phone from the ground and told the operator that Kenneth had pulled the trigger on her gun on December 12 2023 Hannah Payne was convicted of all charges she is facing up to life in prison I'm moving to my analysis Hannah Payne maintains her innocence there are many people who support her they view this incident as a tragic accident not as an intentional killing Hannah was trying to do the right thing to stop a reckless driver and he attacked her she killed him in self-defense the state of course disagrees they view Hannah as a coldblooded vigilante who chased down her victim and murdered him this brings me to the question was Hannah Payne guilty of murder let's take a look at the evidence both for and against the idea that Hannah was guilty starting with the inculpatory factors Hannah was not involved in the traffic collision caused by Kenneth this was really none of her business the 911 operator told Hannah on four occasions not to follow Kenneth Hannah was not a law enforcement officer and had no legal authority to use any type of force against Kenneth if Hannah blocked Kenneth's pickup truck in with her Jeep as photographic evidence suggests this was a felony witness test Tony supports the idea that Hannah was driving recklessly as she approached Kenna's location as if she was in Hot Pursuit she was weaving in and out of traffic and speeding Hannah was not authorized to drive in a reckless manner she approached the driver side door of Kenneth's pickup truck while yelling expletives and being very aggressive she demanded that Kenneth exit his vehicle Hannah admitted that it was her gun that killed Kenneth after the shooting when Hannah spoke to a police police officer at the scene she stated that she told Kenneth that she had a gun and she would shoot him she further stated that she didn't want to pull the trigger which of course makes it sound like she did pull the trigger moving to the exculpatory factors there is no question that Kenneth Herring caused the motor vehicle collision he ran a red light which is a behavior that puts people at serious risk of harm from Hannah's perspective it was reasonable to believe that Kenneth was intoxicated she may have pursued him in an effort to stop him from injuring or killing innocent people the correctional officer at the scene of the Collision allegedly identified himself as a state officer and showed Hannah a badge Hannah was only 21 years old she presumably felt inclined to respect authority figures and assumed that Terry was authorized to give her orders if Terry implied that Kenneth was intoxicated Hannah would have believed him furthermore when Terry said the word Go Hannah may have interpreted this as permission or even as an order to pursue Kenneth when Hannah pulled her Jeep Wrangler in front of Kenneth's pickup truck Kenneth still had some room to the right to maneuver one could argue that he was not completely blocked in rather Hannah was simply trying to get his attention although some witnesses saw a struggle between Hannah and Kenneth it's not clear who was to blame for the physical altercation no Witnesses actually saw Hannah shoot Kenneth so they did not know who pulled the trigger the gun only discharged one time if Hannah wanted to kill Kenneth why would she shoot only once the spent cartridge case from the round that killed Kenneth never ejected from the pistol this supports the idea that Kenneth's hand was on the slide of the pistol he interfered with the action cycling maybe he was struggling to get control over the gun just like Hannah claimed Hannah's shirt was torn in the center she had scratches on her neck and her wrist was swollen this is consistent with the idea that Kenneth attacked Hannah citizen arrests are permitted in the state of Georgia although only if the citizen witnessed a felony perhaps Hannah believed that Kenneth committed a felony when considering all the evidence do I think that Hannah Payne was guilty of murder in my opinion she was guilty of felony murder she didn't set out to murder Kenneth but she was committing a felony when he was shot and killed what do I think happened in this case this is just a theory my opinion Hannah was grandiose and believed herself to have authority which she did not possess she had a concealed car permit and carried a pistol this made her feel powerful and strong like she could make people do what she wanted when she witnessed the Collision caused by Kenneth she decided to actively intervene in the situation it would have been fine to pull over and render assistance but Hannah wanted more she wanted Justice she wanted Kenneth to pay for the Collision even though it did not involve her in any way when she came to believe that Kenneth was intoxicated the intensity of her anger and determination increased in her mind the value disparity between her and Kenneth was extreme she was a Hero trying to keep the road safe and Kenneth was an evil monster who who wanted to kill innocent motorists when Kenneth drove away Hannah saw her opportunity to play the hero and fulfill her desire to dominate she may have felt further empowered by the correctional officer who was on the scene however when the 911 operator told her not to pursue Hannah should have disengaged and returned to the scene of the Collision she continued pursuing because she wanted to confront Kenneth through reckless driving Hannah caught up with Kenneth and sort of blocked him in he was disoriented perhaps from a medical emergency Kenneth really didn't know what was going on Hannah approached his vehicle and threatened to shoot him Kenneth started physically resisting because he did not want to be murdered Hannah now found herself in a challenging situation she had provoked this altercation but was not physically capable of maintaining control of her pistol or escaping the grasp of Kenneth he was getting the upper hand grabbing her neck grabbing her shirt and putting his hand on her pistol Hannah decided to pull the trigger and commit murder she didn't feel as though she did anything wrong she used Kenneth's resistance as justification to shoot him Hannah incorrectly believed that everyone would side with her devaluing Kenneth's life the same way she did now moving to my final thoughts I don't think that Hannah set out to commit murder that day but she made a series of terrible decisions that led to the outcome she felt compelled to meddle in other people's Affairs sometimes people invest a lot of energy in situations that have nothing to do with them they live vicariously through other victims and think of themselves as a victim too this intense investment is as strong as it is nonsensical it reminds me of these people who get arrested during sporting events by punching someone who insulted their team they fa to understand that it was never their team in the first place it's not like the team was going to pay them money or ask them for protection Hannah is going to have a long time to think about the decisions that she made the day she murdered Kenneth or as Hannah would say not not a long time those are my thoughts in the case of Hannah Payne please put any opinions and thoughts in the comment section they always generate an interesting dialogue as always I hope you found my analysis of this topic to be informative thanks for watching

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Published: Thu Dec 14 2023