Anti-Aging Millionaire: This Habit Ruins Men! - Biohacking Routine To Feel 18 Again | Bryan Johnson

[Music] the Fountain of Youth is a story as old as humanity and typically it's a group of people on a boat going to a jungle in some sacred Temple and some elixir and that's kind of been really what people believe more generally a magic pill is going to come that we take and it solves the problems and what I wondered is is the ability to slow the rate of aging and then reversing aging that has occurred possible now it's just hiding in tens of thousands of scientific Publications and a lot of really hard work and so that's what my team and I have been doing for the past two years is collecting all the research doing all the protocols and basically using evidence-based medicine to explore this question what is possible with today's science so in just like yes or no format do you really believe where we're going that we will actually be able to meaningfully reverse aging I'm not saying that we'll all be able to get to 18 but like is this really a thing now yes I love that you were thoughtful about that I'm going to say something I don't know if you're going to love this or hate this so we've spent time together before but it's been years since I've seen you and I mean this in a really good way but you look like a Lord of the Rings elf and like dude there's something about the clarity in your skin the vibrancy in your eyes I don't know so I'm really really interested in slowing down aging reversing aging I come at it the same way that you do if when I lay my head down I think I want to wake up tomorrow then why would I not want this ride to end we can get into some of the complexities of of the question of ought we do that later but I really do want to get deep into the protocol so as I said to you when you first arrived seeing you on camera does not do justice to what it's like to see you in person um in terms of just the externally visible markers of Health really do like it does something to my brain to be like oh this person looks healthy so the protocol I've I've watched a lot of your videos on this you've gone into tremendous depth about the blueprint which I assume is the blueprint on how to live in a way that slows down aging and and possibly at some point will reverse it but what is the protocol it is very complex so I'd love to before we get into the minutia what's the organizing principle to the blueprint that if you can measure every organ of the body and let the organs speak about what it wants to be in an ideal state reference gold standard scientific evidence and then create a protocol and then have perfect adherence you'd create a system where the body can maintain itself in an optimal State now this is in contrast to typically we approach things in life where we think our brain is the primary tool which solves all problems before us well my brain as most brains do is a cause of a lot of self-destructive Behavior we are prone to eat too much food or of the wrong kind of food or drink or other substances or spend too much time consuming content not prioritizing sleep and so the solution for me was to take my mind it was very counter counterintuitive remove my mind as a problem-solving tool Empower my body by measurement through my entire body and then looking at the evidence and so letting my body solve its own problems of how to be in the ideal state is the protocol and so I just simply follow the data and so we look at all the things you would imagine like blood stool urine saliva MRI ultrasound Fitness tests DNA methylation microbiome everything we can measure we measure and we take all that data we look at the evidence and we just do this again and again and so my responsibility in this is to ensure perfect adherence to the protocol and we can see how these things work in an iterative basis I heard you say that sleep and diet are probably the two most important things is that a true assessment given all the data you've looked at now it's a difficult to make too strong of statements about power laws in the entirety because most people reasonably look at this and they see that it's not doable for the average person yeah that's for your protocol I will say that like I've got the resources to pull it off I've even got the discipline but I was like this is a lot it's a lot it's a lot so especially the part about needles in the face that's why I was like oh God uh so we'll get to that in a minute but so okay it's hard to break down the power law your point is correct if you're going to get just a few things right sleep I'd say stop self-destructive behavior and get good sleep like you don't even have to eat vegetables berries and nuts like that would be an advanced thing just stop doing things that hurt you because when you do things that cause self-destructive Behavior it's so hard that ruins your sleep which then ruins your willpower to do be able to do good things it's just a vicious cycle so sleep well stop bad behaviors and it gives you get you in a neutral position to feel like you can start doing some positive things in your life and gain some momentum it's ironically it's a lot of people we all know this uh if we go to the gym and work out we feel good about ourselves and later in the day we want to reward ourselves and sometimes we reward ourselves in a way that offsets what happened in the beginning of the of the good thing so really the root of it is trying to get at this self-destructive Tendencies we have okay so I'll make a hypothesis about what the self-destructive behaviors are and why we do them and tell me where I go wrong so I look at everything through the lens of biology so you're having a biological experience I want that on my Tombstone like I really want people if I die and you don't solve this problem faster uh I really want people to understand that and to look at life through that lens so they figure out okay the what you're calling self-destructive Behavior there was a biological route to that so if I were to sum up quickly the biggest problem people make is that they all rounded to they eat a lot of sugar and process foods and if they that's like the biggest sin that everybody does in terms of self-harm and to undo that they have to understand that the thing that's driving them to do that is that your brain was created over millions of years of evolution where food was really hard to come by and if you came by something that was calorically dense that you were going to go after it as hard as you could remove the brakes as much as possible overeat over consume and that food is it's not a calorie as a calorie food is signaling molecules or food are signaling molecules whichever and so they're going to tell your body to do certain things and the things that you're prone to overeating because they were so rare are typically things that make you put on fat and that are going to spike your glucose which then causes a huge dump of insulin which then has a whole host of problems so it's like whenever like if I had you have 30 seconds Tom you have to like tell your younger self or you have to impact somebody I'd be like stop eating sugar get a lot of sleep um and believe that you can get better which will set that aside for now but it's like are we close like if we really had to dumb this down or is it no no like there's just something else entirely that is the root of self-harm I like your articulation it seems like you identified a version of yourself or someone else that you identify with I did the same thing with me where I said I'm a whole bunch of different kinds of Brians I'm 6 a.m Brian when I wake up I'm excited about the day I'm 7 P.M Brian when I'm stressed out I'm out of energy and I just want to relax and do nothing and maybe have some food I shouldn't be eating there's different versions of ourselves and in these different versions We behave different ways yeah so in my case it was 7 P.M Brian that was the disaster that he would overeat eat the wrong kind of stuff that I wouldn't be able to sleep and I felt awful the next day it's like it helped for me to think about this um we think of ourselves as the most intelligent species on this planet yet we commit we we have behaviors that accelerate disease and aging and misery and Cloud our minds and they dampen our conscious experience yet even though we do these things we've normalized it to make it okay where we celebrate it we encourage it if it's a social Norm that's challenged we try to ostracize a person or make them feel like they're out of Step and if we can muster up the greatest sobriety possible about this it's a little insane we commit self-destructive Behavior I agree so do you feel I feel like the battle line is very clear it's you versus your evolutionary impulses is that how you read it or is there something else going on I think it's you're certainly correct that there's probably a lot that has to do with where we've been as a species a lot of social norms where it's okay to do the things you were talking about eat a tremendous amount of sugar or to drink excessively or to stay up and not prioritize sleep or any number of things what do you think about weed that's like the most socially acceptable thing in like in the world right now it's crazy you want to talk about celebrating self-destructive Behavior people talk about it like it's the coolest [ __ ] ever and I won't say that I haven't done it but I will say that the times I have done it I wasn't like I'm so [ __ ] cool I was like this is a trade-off and I am diminishing future potential for today pleasure so when you think about it's interesting there's there's a nested idea inside your mind I've watched enough of your content that I think I have a read on it um but before we get to the very complex because people may not know for everybody watching right now that you also own a company called kernel which is trying to I'm going to use words that you haven't used but effectively read and write in the language of Neurology I'm not sure how you would phrase that but to be able to see how we think so that we can also right in the brain God I'm really reaching now but that feels like directionally where you're headed it's well said nice okay so this is really interesting okay so going back one one gigantic idea at a time here so sticking with the blueprint the protocol for change we have these evolutionary impulses they lead us to do really dumb things that has created a society where we now celebrate behavior that is very fraught in terms of being self-destructive certainly from an aging perspective and also probably from just a mental health how do you feel about yourself perspective so taking the things you've already talked about um okay so there's multiple Brians there's multiple all of us Jordan Peterson was the first person I heard talk about this about you have entire personalities around when you're hungry when you're tired when you're intoxicated if you have addictive personality like it becomes a a whole set of behaviors and I think that's really interesting so you have all these Brians you had one Brian 7pm Brian that was causing a lot of self-harm for all the other Brians you are hyper logical so despite having these human foibles you were able to override that with some logic and go in and say I'm going to remove that from the equation and I'm going to use data and I'm going how many organs are in the body by the way 78 okay it depends on how you classify them but that's already fascinating okay so you're the only person I've ever heard talk about I'm gonna read data from all 78 organs I didn't think we had that many so I was already a little startled uh but I'm going to read the data from these 78 organs and that's going to tell me what Behavior I God would you say can and can't do ought and ought not to do like what word do you use there it's a beautiful question and it's at the heart of all of this so I love how you framed out the collection of ideas if we put this then even a broader basket what I really think is interesting for all of us to ponder is we zoom out on planet Earth and we say what is really going on let's just remove all the noise we can it's quiet the room as much as possible what is really happening and it could be the rise of computational intelligence we call it AI it's this new form of information and knowledge and creativity and all the things and we're giving birth to it so there's this question as this new form of intelligence emerges in the world what does that mean for us what does it mean for all things and in contemplating this it might be wise for us to ask what should we aspire to as a species how do we get ourselves pointed in the right direction and so blueprint is not it may seem about health and wellness and diet and food is really not it's my best guess at the ideal way for all of us to prepare ourselves to walk into this future and that starts with I guess what I call Goal alignment so if I think about myself as a 78 organ system before it was balkanized and at war with itself so I committed these self-destructive behaviors well in my mind wanted a pizza party and drinks my kidney wasn't asking for that and my you know my liver wasn't and all my my DNA methylation wasn't and so there was a war within me going on this misalignment and I had to figure out how could I achieve world peace inside of me and that was when you let these organs speak and everyone can say I want this in an ideal State and then you help the reconciliation process this mirrors what we're doing with planet Earth we treat the Earth as we treat our bodies it's the same relationship and if we want to think about how could we potentially cooperate on a global scale how could we potentially imagine ourselves walking into this future with computational intelligence it starts with our ability to align ourselves in these interesting ways and for me it was removing my mind which was the cause of self-destructive Behavior enabling a system to take care of me this is this is the fundamental question I wanted to propose if I could build a system that could better care for me than I'm able but I say yes to it and I did now there's all kinds of ways you can slice that up because a lot of people will say well does that mean you can no longer have your pasta with friends does that mean you can no longer and there's a very long list of things that they say I'm familiar with this I perceive these things that cause me joy if I can't have these things I don't know why I would exist so it's just a knee-jerk reaction it's it's temporary and people work their way around it but this is really the fundamental question we're all thinking about and to me it's worth our attention uh it definitely we are in a situation where we would benefit by ruminating that we are in a special moment of time and we probably don't want to be caught uh being behind okay so caught being behind would look something like we're trying to create artificial intelligence and we really as we're recording this AI is at the elbow of the exponential curve and people are freaking out in good and bad ways because of how rapidly it's happening now and this is I this is certainly the first time where I've really been consciously paying attention to something where I see the elbow happen and it is there's it breaks the prediction machine that is the brain and that's unnerving yes now I'm optimistic about it but you're on to something here which is really fascinating which and I've heard you say this before um people talk about for AI to work we have to get goal alignment between humans and AI so the AI doesn't run into the paper clip problem where it's like oh sorry bro but your atoms would be way better as paper clips and so I'm just gonna you know destroy you to get at those atoms so I can make more paper clips and you said goal alignment with AI we don't even have goal alignment with ourselves that's right okay let alone between each other right yeah which if you've been in a marriage you know immediately like there's a lot of goal alignment that goes along there that you're going to have to constantly be working on which is utterly fascinating okay so you have made um oh I'm gonna say it in a provocative way take it apart as you see fit you have made a deity of data and I think inside of all of us there is a god-shaped hole it has not played out as a religion in my life not since I was a teenager I don't know I know that you used you were brought up deeply religious whether I don't know if that Echo does an adult or not but does that sound right or am I missing something I would use an example a few years ago I was in the Middle East with a country leader and he offered up his country's 20 30 plans and this was in 2017 I believe and I said that's fascinating that you would be planning 13 years in advance at the time I was deeply involved in my Venture investing in synthetic biology and nanotech computational Therapeutics so I knew From The Trenches what was going on in those worlds from machine learning and AI through the biology and and I said how do you think you can possibly plan that far in advance and he said like how would you think about it just as a playful gesture and I said okay let's imagine let's play a game we have two robot robots and the goal is to get the robot to the furthest Sand Dune on the horizon we can barely see it we can do one of two things one is we can take a topographical map of the sand dunes program the map into the robot and say go robot to that sand dune now we know what's going to happen in a few minutes it's going to be stuck in the sand because the stands are going to shift the map is going to change the other thing we do is we say Okay robot we're going to give you the tools to navigate the sand no matter what happens so as the landscape changes as we know it will it navigates its way to these endpoints and so all you have to do is point in a general direction and that's really what this entire thing is with blueprint is I've basically just said my body is a system with tools to navigate Terrain as it moves along so measurement science protocol now the science is going to get better the measurement is going to get better and it just improves again and again and again but my body is not subject to the same problems of self-destructive Behavior where I can't move forward I've tried to put myself my body in a position where it can have compounded gains so as technology improves my body improves at the same rate of the technology and in this case it's slowing my rate of aging and reversing the Aging has happened now there may be chances where we start talking about enhancement where we build Technologies in society but if we start thinking about ourselves that we really care to go together to this distant point on the horizon we want systems that allow us to move through changing terrain what we don't want are these maps that assume certain things and so this is the the zeroth principle thinking so when you say a god of data I would say uh to me this is a philosophy of zeroism you have to tell people what that means so the idea is Talent hits the target that no one else can genius hits the target no one can see Talent is first principle thinking so you survey the world you identify everything you can know in a given time frame and you just you know those basic things you make decisions zeroth principle thinking you can't even see the Target and so this is like Einstein's special Theory relativity where he gave birth to something that already existed but just changes everything or when alphago played Lisa doll in alphago it played moves in the game of Go that could have been played by humans but no human did and so humans saw these moves it broke their brains and they said it's as if an intelligence From Another Dimension were playing a game of Go so first principle uh thinking is genius it's a talent that no one else can see and so that the the hypothesis is with the emergence of computational intelligence it introduces zeroth principle breakthroughs at a rate faster than humans have it changes the landscape more and faster than we have been so we're going to enter into a zeroth principle world where the lamp is going to change faster and faster in ways we don't anticipate it's going to surprise us continually in the same way at least at all was stunned with alphago's play we're going to feel the same way and so the the idea for this is let's try to zoom out on planet Earth look at the situation we're in of what's really going on let's adopt systems of evolving ourselves and improving ourselves so we can roll with all these changes no matter how the terrain shifts and we can move into this future of zeroth principle we don't know what it's going to be we can't imagine it it's beyond our own imagination it's it's a and so it's really an i a an effort to say we can recognize the special moment we're in we can create systems where everyone wins and we can shed the characteristics of ourselves that no longer service like self-destructive behaviors that's really what I'm trying to do the entirety so it it's about the future of human existence ironically or humorously Begins by eating broccoli it and by letting your organs run the system versus your mind the truth is hitting your career goals is not easy you have to be willing to go the extra mile to stand out and do hard things better than anybody else but there are 10 steps I want to take you through that will 100x your efficiency so you can crush your goals and get back more time into your day you'll not only get control of your time you'll learn how to use that momentum to take on your next big goal to help you do this I've created a list of the 10 most impactful things that any High achiever needs to dominate and you can download it for free by clicking the link in today's description right my friend back to today's episode okay I think there's more to talk about with the how you're getting I think you're getting compliance in yourself because you believe so much in the data's ability to lead you to maybe it's zero principle thinking where we're able to completely come up with something that we otherwise would not have but before we get lost in that far more philosophical conversation I'll bring us back to the actual protocol itself so you've brought a bunch of food this is stuff I assume you eat on a daily basis I've heard you say you basically eat the same thing every day so pull me down into what the data is showing so we have 78 organs they're all saying they want something do they want the same thing like is there one protocol that matches everything or is it like we're doing 78 different things every day hoping that it comes together somehow yeah this is yeah so my diet every day is uh roughly 2 000 calories so it's a 25 calorie reduction of what I would normally consume so I'm on a caloric efficient diet so you're hungry all the time I'm hungry all the time in fact let me ask you really fast before we get into this does your life suck I've never been happier or more fulfilled or more energized I've never ever been in a better state in my entire life even though you're hungry all the time yes interesting okay so we'll get into that after you show me what you're going to eat I wouldn't trade my life for anything right now wow it has never been better that's incredible sleep diet okay yeah steering by the data kicked off by our 78 organs basically this is 2000 calories every calorie has to fight for its life to exist because it's such a small budget and my body needs to have all the nutrients it needs to be ideal so so the objective was how do you create a perfect diet and so for breakfast I eat this dish uh called super veggie which is black lentils broccoli cauliflower mushrooms garlic and you named it super veggies yeah I did okay yeah so I ate 70 pounds of vegetables a month oh my God Jesus okay that's a lot uh an hour later two hours later I eat nutty pudding so you don't eat it all at once no I used to do one meal a day my body fat went down to three percent whoa a bit too long how low were your calories same two thousand just having it all in in a single window it had the effect of dropping my body that's competition that's like bodybuilding up on stage let's go I'm a step away from dying I mean three percent that's insane man I mean I'm 5.1 now so I thought you were trying to bump it up uh yeah so three three's too low sorry I haven't heard in an interview somebody put the words in your mouth so I have to be more careful with that that you were trying to go up to like six and a half or seven percent I mean I've been there I'm five right now so it kind of hovers my wow five to six range okay and that's comfortable you're hungry but it's comfortable yeah it's the five percent is enough subcutaneous fat because your heart needs fat you need fat in your body and so we're comfortable with five-ish percent okay so one meal a day it was two you're getting too lean which is already interesting from a fat loss perspective intermittent fasting is doing its job so how much do you spread this out sorry six hours total window total window of time is six hours starting first meal is what time five six a.m a.m whoa so you get up and eat or do you get up crazy early I get up and I drink this this guy guy here so like I'm wiping the sleep out of my eyes and I interesting yeah so I have a an Unwritten rule that I don't eat so I wake up usually four to five A.M I don't eat until roughly 9 A.M and I eat all of my food in a pretty narrow window five to six hours [Music] um two meals only and but I've always thought that I needed to wake up work out fast did all of that but not true because you're way leaner than I am okay so on these questions my experience has been I trained as a pilot I got my license as a pilot in multiple airplanes even though I'm a competent pilot I'm Never As Good As a professional pilot [Music] they do it every day they think about it day in day out they just have higher levels of skill than when I jump in and jump out the same is true with blueprint this team I have led by Dr Oliver zollman this is all they do they're consumed by it night and day when they don't have anything to think about they're thinking about this and even among the most elite experts in health and wellness they disagree with each other you know this like there is absolutely no agreement on just about anything and so the it's important uh as a system that a team run in a way that has some way to try to tease out signal from noise and then do something and see if it works we don't know all the answers and that's why we're testing these things we're this is why I'm doing all this is we're trying to punch through these open-ended questions and debates that never ever resolve it's never ending debate and so in these cases of of your question of is it optimal to eat before you exercise or after you exercise I don't know the specifics but I'm sure you could open it up and it would be an endless debate among experts on the ideal status of doing things yeah and so we we just don't get involved in those arguments because uh there's limiting there's some returns in doing that and so we've set up a system of evidence of analysis of protocol of measurements does that mean you had to agree on what are the optimal State for the 78 organs that we're measuring you had to have an ideal in mind to be able to steer towards it so at some point either you're saying that um we we did get a group of people to agree on these things or this is where our hypothesis lies yeah and for people that aren't super familiar with the scientific method so hypothesis basically a best guess a theory is something that has proven to work even though it may not be ground level truth yet so is this your hypothesis is this a working Theory like where where are we at how did you get consensus there I think the data speaks for itself so you look at the highlights of what we've done for two years so one my my speed of Aging using an epigenetic DNA methylation clock okay so looking at what exactly so anybody that's followed me for a while they've heard methylation talk before so you can get kind of nerdy and as long as I can track it we're in good shape if we're looking at these biological expression patterns in our body that have some relationship to aging uh these aging clocks are not yet gold standard they're they're silver standard is there a gold standard or we're just working not not on not like phenotypic markers okay so a methylation is still still silver standard but if you look at the entirety of my data so you say uh one is uh last year I set a world record in reducing my epigenetic age 5.1 years and seven months using using six clocks not one six I didn't cherry pick a clock so let's just say okay I put you in the clocks are up and are up and coming fine we'll take out the grain of salt second my speed of Aging so the pace in which my body ages is 0.76 what do you look at for the DNA methylation okay this is based upon a a multi-decade longitudinal study based out of New Zealand okay it's called the Newton I'm going to tell people what DNA methylation actually is I'll probably get it a little wrong and correct me where I do so DNA methylation you have these little things like certains is that what's running around on the DNA I can never remember but there are little things that run around the DNA they're probably a protein and they are marking the DNA saying this is a liver cell this is a brain cell this is an eye cell and thusly you should only read these sections so read here stop reading here and every time a cell gets damaged it has to go in and like remark it and say okay this is the part to read and not read and aging is effectively the D differentiation of cells your eye cell begins to forget that it's just an eye your liver cell begins to forget that it's just the liver so on and so forth and so it stops doing its things well because the things reading the DNA are basically being told to read the wrong parts of the DNA and so it starts to basically get confused and that is aging yeah and I'd say yes and if a detective when in your body and it's looking at a crime scene they might find some details in how your body's expressing itself in these data imagination patterns interesting so there's something being revealed in the patterns that you methylate your exactly you look at these patterns and it's just like it's like a biological age versus chronological age so there's a type of malfunction in the methylation that we can see there's yeah there's patterns that that manifest themselves in the body so we know that just at a basic concept we know roughly what uh we know how a 15 year old's heart should look like with the characteristics of its functionality and also it's anatomical we know what an 80 year old person's heart how it functions and what it looks like they're very different Hearts you're not going to confuse a 15 year old and an 80 year old heart if looking at an MRI or even looking at it in tissue right and so there's you can biologically age and so DNA methylation is to say we can identify patterns that reveal and so this is what they're sorting in the science it's fine but what I may be trying to get in a quick summary is I have over 50 perfect uh biological markers and their Optical clinical outcome range so that's like my cholesterol and you know the triglycerides like all the usual things people talk about I have a hundred biomarkers that are less than my chronological age I set a world record for reversing my my epigenetic age my speed of Aging uh which is currently 0.76 I'm number one out of 1750 people that have been measuring their speed of Aging over several years for total reduction of age and so so for every calendar year you age .76 of a calendar so that jokingly I say I get October November December for free you know but like let's just say uh let's discount all my data and say okay we think that the science is like 70 correct in that area it's still a pretty compelling data set to suggest that what I'm doing may be interesting and it may be in the right direction so it's not this is not to state that we've figured everything out that everything's perfect that we know all things it's meant just to put forward all the data we have and say pretty interesting if you build this system measurement evidence protocol then look what it's doing and that's what really we're trying to do and so step by step and of course everyone's going to look at this and they'll nip at it from One Direction or another wonderful like that's the process that's science that's how we're going to improve but by open sourceness and sharing with everybody others can implement it they can improve it they can generate their own data so it's really meant to try to punch through the game we're playing is not this is not the game the game we're playing is the future of the human race that's so interesting you're taking us back to the philosophical side we're gonna get first to the broccoli and the mushrooms and all that stuff but it really is interesting it was one of the notes that I took when I was doing the research is that you're really coming at this from from uh I'll boil it down to Ott versus can and in my language and I don't know that everybody would agree with this but in my language art is a moral statement we ought to be doing things in this way and you introduced me to an interesting idea when we first met and you were talking about you talked about data and the data that all of us kick off from behavioral to biological in a way that I'd never contemplated before and it seemed too big of a problem to solve at that time but I haven't stopped thinking about that and as somebody so we're building in the metaverse and now I think a lot about whoa I'm going to be influencing the way that people think about life um that if Jordan Peterson is right and it brings out like psychopathy and that the way the algorithms work they tend to like reward people with dark Triad Tendencies so I'm like wow we really have to be thoughtful about this so bringing that back to what you're talking about now it's like okay if we're building Ai and you've talked about the computational and distribution cost of intelligence is going to zero so basically now we all have a genius in our pocket that can take us from it doesn't exist to existing with these huge breakthrough insights okay well now all of a sudden we really have to get alignment and all of that alignment starts with the food that's sitting on this table here which is so that rings so true to me in terms of what I know about the like just getting people to understand I don't want to talk about diet I don't want to talk about exercise but all these cool things that I do want to talk to you about I can't get you there until we talk about this yes with that we have broccoli we have uh cauliflower which I hate so you're gonna have to make me a Believer and mushrooms which I I am so freaked out by mushrooms but I learned a lesson so I had real food trauma as a kitten and it's it's a fascinating thing my mother and I see my childhood very differently so I had a lot of food trauma uh eating Rice-A-Roni and like really basic horrible things as a kid over and over and over just that was how I grew up and when I got older I my whole thing was no one will ever get me to eat something I don't want to eat again ever ever ever I end up marrying a Greek girl her family's constantly offering me all this weird food I do not want to eat it and but I didn't want to offend my father-in-law and then we finally got to the point he would always offer me two things there there's this weird cheese that they have called halloumi cheese they're cypriot now halloumi cheese if you grew up like I grew up with American cheese it melts cheddar cheese melts swiss cheese melt those are the only cheeses I was ever introduced to halloumi doesn't melt you can put it on open flame and it doesn't melt it'll burn but it doesn't melt and so I was like I'm never going to eat something that a cheese that doesn't melt that's too weird and so anyway one day he's always offering me two things so I can always take the other thing and not try this freakish cheese and one day still not wanting to offend my father-in-law he only offers me halloumi and I'm like oh this is a test so I'm like damn it I have to eat this cheese otherwise I'm gonna offend my father-in-law and I eat it and it was like fireworks went off in my mouth it was so delicious and I was like I have missed out I think it had been I'd known him for four years and I was like I had missed out on four years of eating this incredible cheese because I was scared so I was like if somebody offers me food sincerely they're not trying to mess with me if they're offering me food sincerely I will try it every time I can only imagine you were offering me this sincerely so I'm going to give it a shot all right so mushrooms broccoli quinoa what was the other thing in there black lentils lentils all right where do we start well I guess it is a question do you prefer to eat your sweets before Savory or savory before Oh Savory before sweet okay so I would I would probably dip into the Super veggie or some broccoli all right let's see what we got here is there a particular like broccoli mushroom cauliflower all in one bite kind of thing you know just cooked this is softer than I thought it was yeah it's all steamed so for FODMAP to avoid getting indigestion you know making it comfortable for your microbiome everything's steamed nice it's important to take seven to eight minutes and then oh God the mushroom so freak out yeah yeah I'm a talk here yeah all right here we go let's do it all right other than the texture mushrooms which I'm super sketched out by tastes great great what are you putting on it um is it literally just Steam and the natural thing or is there eye sauces I could add no sauces uh sometimes I'll sprinkle with no salt which is potassium chloride so it's a replacement for sodium but no just I puree mine so it's like a veggie hummus why puree it uh because the volume I eat it's uh almost uh 900 mL uh mL of volume it's very large and so I have a lot going on in life and to eat that much vegetables every day purees what do you chew masticate uh all these other my third meal of the day uh nutty pudding in the berries and so we're about putting again but the berries are whole yep and in a third Mills hole Yeah so the third Mill is vegetables um nuts Berry so sweet potato or that was good again the the mushroom I'm a little sketched out by why why broccoli why cauliflower this diet is not the only way to win so I'm vegan by choice not by necessity so this is not to say that someone couldn't achieve similar or better results than mine doing other things interesting totally fine we need to talk about mtor so uh we're back to Ott now so you're eating this way because you believe we all ought to it uh I'm eating this because of the concept of what Alfred North White had said civilization advances by the number of important operations it can automate without the person thinking about it and if I contemplate what are the most majestic games my conscious mind could play that's a question and a half and let's just for a moment try to create some separation with everything we hold near and dear right now and let's just open ourselves up and say what are the most majestic things we could experience there's of course a little band of what we could see and think about and imagine and be creative and then there's this gigantic space of unknown of surprise and when I think about that as the potential future I'm motivated to spend my time energies doing that and so eating this food is among the most delightful experiences of my entire day I love every second of it I also appreciate it that it is now solved in my life I don't spend 40 of my day thinking about what I'm going to eat or trying to order what I'm going to eat or trying to it's all just built into a system so I can have my mind pointed in somewhere else so the goal here is not that everyone in society creates their own version of blueprint the idea here is that Society creates blueprint as the norm it is unfair to the individual that they're set out in society and they have to navigate on a daily basis McDonald's and Snickers and Tick Tock and everything else it is unfair and this goes back to your point on data if you're when you're you are broadcasting data the capitalistic system is taking this and then using it against you so you commit greater self-destructive behaviors and then we celebrate it and then we call people weird when they don't participate in it the whole system is rigged against us meanwhile we worship our technology we are willing to sacrifice ourselves for technology we're Martyrs for technological progress yet we have almost we have a minuscule amount of attention focused on improving ourselves and it should be the exact opposite the new Apple keynote should be the new blueprint we should be able to Showcase human advancement in ways that are stunning and exciting to get everyone on this movement of how do we prove ourselves individually uncollectively and if we look at ourselves in 10 20 30 40 years we might look back and say that was obvious like why did we sacrifice ourselves for this technological advancement why did we just grind ourselves Drive ourselves into the ground why do we encourage each other to do all these self-destructive things why do we allow it to happen to ourselves we might consider ourselves to be insane and just a snap of sobriety would say of course like why wouldn't we move forward in this fashion and that's what this is meant to do is we naturally grab it towards gravity towards things that improve our lives and if we could have systems that help us do that you know could we say yes to it in a way that it doesn't threaten our being it doesn't threaten our media making doesn't threaten our our identities we say cool because we really want to play bigger games than existence all right that's super interesting and we will certainly continue uh balancing this Razor's Edge of practicality and philosophy which I actually really do find interesting I want to understand so you've answered the question why you eat veggies over meat so I get that I and I think it'll be important for us to go into the N of one um idea but right now I want to talk about you have you said every calorie has to fight for its survival in terms of the right to be consumed by you I'm very curious I'm going to ask one question before we we go on with this which is I think of nutrition as so n of one if for no other reason than your microbiome but nutrition is so n of one that will never get to 100 one blueprint for everybody but I also think throwing up your hands and saying well it's hopeless because it's all in one is also a mistake so I'm gonna guess that 85 percent of the blueprint will be the same for everybody and then there's going to be 15 new ones but I'm going to set aside the 15 new ones but my question is do you agree like is it 80 is it four percent is going to be Universal like how much of this is going to be blueprint for everybody and how much is going to be individualized those that data will naturally emerge over time do you have a gut instinct though I wouldn't dare to guess really interesting I'm so I think that it I think everybody ought to be willing to say this is how I think about the problem so I always find myself spouting off about things I'm I know that I will definitely change my mind like I I will 100 follow the data but I need organizing principles okay anyway so your organizing principle you're not sure so going back to this bowl here um your 78 organs are competing every calorie has to like justify its existence but this bowl has raised its hand in the data and said for all of the 78 I'm one of the best things that you could do you've already been clear maybe there's a meat protocol or whatever that will do the same thing or maybe it's even better but the data has said and your Elf like appearance backs it up uh that this is effective but I don't yet understand why so what what is hiding not hiding what is the the matrices of these items that the 78 organs are like yes please yeah I mean for example if you uh if my 17 year old and I both do our blood panel so we're looking at liver enzymes and we're looking at all of our basic blood panel were nearly indistinguishable it would be almost it's almost impossible to tell the difference between his and mine and that's what this food has produced but why isn't this box showing collard greens it could you know it could be it's just that the wisiness tomatoes I'm now picking night shades on purpose why isn't this tomatoes and eggplant and peppers as a team uh we look at the evidence we try to find gold standard evidence so um with a random control trial and we say you know blank has shown to do blank in this organ or this biological process and that's what the result is here so broccoli cauliflower mushrooms and lentils get the blood panels that we want and you've tried how many things have you tried a lot yeah they have for me they have for a lot of people around me and so again it's um your statement is is you know you're directionally correct that for some percent of people this will work for another percent it won't work and how much of a difference we don't know and so the blueprint is less about the exact things and more about the system of measurement evidence protocol and I assume because that that system so you put out a video so I know a little bit about this you put out a video where it's like here are all the crazy things that we do it's so overwhelming that even somebody with like my identity is I'm one big throbbing uh discipline molecule I don't even know how to finish that statement but like I I am disciplined like incarnate yeah that that's how I see myself and when I watched that video I was like yeah no like it's so complex like the machines and you spend more in fact this will sum it up if I don't even mind the money it's the time you spend more money on your body every year than LeBron James okay let people at home let that one sink in so this protocol is very robust and the the Gap I'm trying to bridge is we keep talking about the protocol like sort of in The Ether without like really grounding it but because I've seen the whole thing it's so complicated I know we have a bunch of your supplements here and we need to get into that so I'm I'm gonna say for now for the sanity of people watching this we're going to continue going through the foods that that we have here and while there is going to be n of one variations if you're going to get into this because I've seen the level of complexity most people should just eat what's in the bowl and and I'm gonna take this sort of on Blind Faith that if I want to replicate the protocol rather than me go do all the things you're doing because I'm not willing to just being completely honest that I'm just going to eat this okay that that's guidance for myself on how to run this interview okay so uh these are the things that the data has kicked off for somebody doing this in a vegan format Okay so we've got our super veggies which you smoothie the [ __ ] out of uh because you don't want to chew the 70 pounds a month I don't mind chewing it I hummus is among is my favorite food what do you dip in the hummus though vegetables okay so we we save some of our broccoli so our the third meal of the day could be a hummus I'm just saying generally speaking hummus is among my favorite foods got it super veggie is hummus it's just ground texture yeah yeah exactly and so a lot of people look at it and the texture triggers these associations in their mind a lot of people Factor right mushrooms hidden in a hummus would be far better so it's my sanity it's a lot of fun for people to poke with a thing and make funny jokes it's hummus and I have hummus for breakfast and it's just chock full of vegetables and so yeah so that's the uh breakfast I like to in the morning so then I also drizzle olive oil on this and I also put chocolate in it that's a new that's a recent addition into the hummus or separately into the hummus interesting yeah you taste the chocolate yeah so it's a really weird combination let's start eating through this stuff so so you here we've got the chocolate these are going to be bitter as hell right they are yeah so because this is like straight up that's right so what makes this special what brand is this we think about everything uh this chocolate's a good example of a five level stack of thinking so first statement is chocolate's good for you second is dark chocolate is good for you third is dark chocolate undunched is good for you fourth is dark chocolate untouched without heavy metals is good for you and the fifth is dark chocolate untouched not heavy metals with the highest polyphenol count and so with every one of these things we want to get to level five on every single thing and that's what again what this is is it's had to survive a tremendous amount of scrutiny to arrive so that is pure 100 dark chocolate it we have tested for heavy metals with high polyphenol count we have several suppliers we have several supplier if we work do you not like to talk about the brands no because we're actually going to make our own one I was going to say like literally I was like talk to Brian about getting into business in food because it's very hard it's very hard to find to make a hummus Prime exactly but the the chocolate you know it it's delightful to eat and so then you pair 70 pounds of vegetables with 100 dark chocolate and the same thing with the olive oil so we run the same criteria of the absolute highest quality olive oil and that's breakfast it's the most nutritionally dense dish I have ever consumed in my entire life what are some of the things you've thrown away like uh we tried asparagus yeah we don't we don't do asparagus anymore have we are there any ones that were amiss I mean at one point I had too many carrots in my diet why so I also had to dial back the carrots but I did it because it was spiking the life out of my glucose which I was utterly scandalized by I had no idea that baby carrots I don't know if it matters but baby carrots if I eat them to satiety I will Spike my glucose over a hundred which is crazy and I live in the sort of mid to low 80s is that why you did it or was there something else so the organs were kicking off bad data early on we basically we we had settled in on the the first two dishes of the day the drink and the two dishes the chocolate and I'll talk about the drink yet and then the third dish we had we identified uh like a hundred plus vegetables and like basically this huge number of things and so the person I worked with we just said randomly choose from this assortment of vegetables and Vary it up like give my give me some diversity of food and so we really you think that's important well we were just testing it out like let it be a wild card and uh so they tried a whole bunch of different preparations and so in that it wasn't a systematic approach and so we just had too much too many carrots and so that showed up in our in our measurement and so now you know it was the carrots I forget the trade the tracks we had um but all of our because you've got some ungodly numbers yeah people on this like it's so funny that there was this one time where I take um iodine iodine you worried about a nuclear attack no uh just want to take 125 mcgs a day why why and um why iodine just part of my daily dietary intake data tells us to take iodine you're gonna have to come up with a better answer there's markers for it so at the time I was doing this uh zinc test where you have you ever done this where you put you can test whether you're zinc deficient or Not by putting this in your mouth and if you taste the zinc your zinc deficient if you can't taste anything you're good on zinc interesting so I just came primed from that and so basically you're looking at your body's reaction to doing it and I thought that's interesting so I I did the idea tonight and it tastes really good to me and I thought does that mean my body's asking more of it and so I started doing two drops instead of one just playfully doing it and then a month later my labs show up and we're as a team we're looking at this and they're like wait a second that result makes no sense and I had to bashfully confess I've deviated from the protocol I did two drops instead of one but any deal was it a good uh bad deviation really so even though it tasted I thought the punchline was going to be if it tastes good like no of course I should have known better this is like me going off and doing something with my mind like maybe this is a good idea but it's funny because every I cannot do anything without it showing up in the data it's like I have 24 7. surveillance on my body in all the measurements we take so whether it's my wearables or my Imaging or blood draws it is so comprehensively captured in every moment with everything I'm doing I have found every time I do something it immediately manifests it's not immediately but it manifests in the data and the team can teach it out so then let's get back to the things you're actually putting in your body so so that people don't want to punch me because I can feel that they're going to so we have our super veggies which we turn into a hummus we've got the five step uh Ultra bitter but actually was I've damaged my palette because I eat clean uh so to me that was fun uh but the ultra bitter dark chocolate High polyphenol no heavy metals so on and so forth uh looks like we're gonna get to some sort of berry smoothie yeah we've got chocolate covered berries I'm guessing it's the same chocolate melted looks like maybe some nuts on it uh extra virgin olive oil any special thing is a chocolate it's five levels deep okay for the Purity probably worth going through the five on that but for first and then what's the mystery drink here oh this is for breakfast so this first here 10 is 50 uh I think it's 54 pills so in the morning Jesus Christ that's a lot of pills yeah do we wake up you greet you drink green giant 54 pills uh-huh but so so much of what you do it's like oh the data just tells us to keep going but how did you pick the 54 pills to start with yeah same process what what's the first step though randomly ingest bizarre things there had to be some logic so I'm guessing you're working with a guy that guy is like Oliver wasn't it Oliver yeah Oliver Walters Holman Dr Oliver zollman is like take these 75 pills we narrow it down to 54 giving us the results that we want something like that yeah he's got some methodology that's the one part that's missing from all this is like what's that first experimental step but since we don't need that because we're just going to tell people to eat and take what you're taking you have those broken down on your website yes so we can link to that in the show notes yes okay everything here is all on the website everything is available for everyone at no cost what is up my friend Tom bilyu here and I have a big question to ask you how would you rate your level of personal discipline on a scale of one to ten if your answer is anything less than a 10. I've got something cool for you and let me tell you right now discipline by its very nature means compelling yourself to do difficult things that are stressful boring which is what kills most people or possibly scary or even painful now here is the thing achieving huge goals and stretching to reach your potential requires you to do those challenging stressful things and to stick with them even when it gets boring and it will get boring building your levels of personal discipline is not easy but let me tell you it pays off in fact I will tell you you're never going to achieve anything meaningful unless you develop discipline all right I've just released a class from Impact Theory university called how to build Ironclad discipline that teaches you the process of building yourself up in this area so that you can push yourself to do the the hard things that greatness is going to require of you right click the link on the screen register for this class right now and let's get to work I will see you inside this Workshop from Impact Theory University until then my friends be legendary peace out all right Green Giant what is Green Giant it is uh chlorella powder that sounds terrifying is chlorella something that grows so it has spermidine is that something that grows like I've heard those names but honestly is there a spermidine plant uh spermudines in a lot of foods mushrooms okay so it's a it's a ingredient it's just that it's a 13.5 milligrams then there's amino acids it smells like cat food Bryant it tastes good though it's delicious wow that's not based on the smell like I'm gonna hate this thing everyone uh it really does smell like cat food but it doesn't taste like not that I know what Cafe tastes like but it doesn't taste like I expect it from the smell has an aftertaste of bubble gum that's unexpected I rarely experience anyone who doesn't eat this food with me and arrive at the same place this is really nice it is the whole thing is very nice I wasn't expecting that okay I'm gonna give you I'm gonna confess to something yeah I burped a few minutes ago and could taste the the master veggie and I was like that was nice like even the burp was nice yeah so I tried going vegetarian at one point and I did not like it at all and I was always like that's a lie I tried going way more vegetables let me be very careful in my words so I am now call it 80 of my calories come from meat 20 from vegetables I tried to reverse it and do 20 for meat and 80 from vegetables I didn't feel good and I was always like well I just didn't do it intelligently I wasn't following a protocol I was like what vegetables do I happen to have in my refrigerator start eating a lot of those um I'll I would be very interested to try this exact protocol and see how we do but will there be a transition period where I'm like um crazy diarrhea because my microbiome isn't ready for this like is there is there a transition to go through or is it like wake up tomorrow and just start going this person's different in terms of the transition period the two your point is correct though that the reason why I take 100 pills to a pill today is If you if the budget is 2 000 calories a day and the objective is perfect nutrition and it's vegan then this is what keeps my body in that perfect State and so this is why a lot of people who do try to go vegan or do cold or constriction fail is because they're they're bodies missing critical important pieces of nutrition and so this basically is addressing this is what I did is I put myself on this I call this my autonomous self but I said 2 000 calories a day an hour of exercise a day it's vegan and I just let my body run so look the muscle mass body fat I measure all these things get ultrasound I'm doing full body ultrasound looking attendance ligaments muscle I measure I measure everything full body MRI of fat of liver and then we say how is this doing and it's working like it basically has tuned my body to near perfect health so this is the thing it's this is so I didn't expect that you're on your um your longevity Arc as the kids would say I didn't see this coming from our last interview man this is so interesting and if you didn't look like an elf I don't know if I would believe in all of it but given that you do like I'm over here how fast can I eat this stuff uh okay so walk me through berries and this is going to be your favorite pudding this will be your favorite dish what is the the puffy stuff oh that's pea protein yeah you might want to mix it up a little bit otherwise you might it might get caught your yes this is nuts macadamia nuts walnuts flaxseed sunflower leichon pomegranate seeds and most people think it tastes like a dessert yeah there's no thinking it does taste like a dessert yeah but you know it's not trick people it's not Cold Stone ice cream but it is tasty I'm repulsed by Cold Stone ice cream you take that back you take that back right now because the ice cream is delicious uh is that because you so Tom Hanks once said when he was losing all the weight for Castaway he said it got to the point where I didn't want to eat a chocolate cake you didn't have to tell me he was like it just the idea was disgusting yeah I've never gotten there yeah so I the other day someone had a damn this is good Ryan they had a bag of something like some chip or something and uh I grabbed one and I put it in my mouth and it just I I could taste the chemicals yeah it was almost like eating gasoline now for people in the comments saying everything is chemicals yes you are correct but there are some things that taste like chemicals yeah I know exactly what you mean by that yeah it was like gasoline yeah this is really nice man you're making me a Believer over here yeah and so you put it all together and I mean the people that have been on this who created these recipes we did as a team wow yeah so we're just constantly working on it it's again people there's are there bananas in this no really yeah I could have passed a lie detector that there are bananas in here yeah yep there's some banana flavor in the pea protein but I would I would imagine Tom if you did this and you had some duration of time on this Jesus that you would probably say you can't imagine life not doing it you've you've you well after eating you feel that good I I think I have to do this like I have to try this to do to do our time together Justice this is so tasty if if that can be made into a hummus because the mushrooms freak me out now be honest yeah but it tasted great this is freaky all right and we still have more to go and then if you want to be wild I want to be wild you know like this is so same dark chocolate uh with a few berries and so it just kind of yeah let's see how we do here foreign make everything taste good that's nice man it's really nice and you eat do you eat a plate like is this part of the product on a daily basis uh I serve these up to friends when we do our blueprint uh brunches wow now do you have anybody doing the blueprint on meat my son does interesting he has he is identical in everything except for he has chicken with his super veggie and his marker is going in the right direction now how much is youth uh get out of jail free card though like ah there are people that really mess themselves up so I imagine you'd be able to see it so just to turn that into a full question so uh you would be able to see if you're monitoring your son it's not like well he's 17 and therefore everything is going to look great if he were doing things that were off you'd be able to pick it up right away that's right okay very interesting man yeah and he's our prototype you know every time we're doing a new measurement protocol he is willing he's excited to be involved so we have this um I measure I look at my skin and I'm trying to basically have skin like an 18 year old yeah and so we have this machine that does multi-spectral Imaging gives us you know 10 different dimensions of skin and I he'll do the measurement I'll do the measurement we'll compare our results you know and he'll age out at 17 like he is and so I always have a biological comparison it's just fun we do it it's a fun family activity it's humorous uh it's just Friday at the Johnson yeah I mean for example like I always try to teach my kids to wear sunscreen and it was always like yeah why bad but sunscreen isn't that like you're you're absorbing toxic chemicals into the biggest organ in your body yeah yeah like they would just like leave isn't that true I mean I'm phobic of sunscreen I never wear sunscreen so I get in the sun I try to be thoughtful I know that I can't just take infinite amounts of sun but I try to have a base tan at all times it was the one thing so looking at a lot of the footage that you've done your thighs bro are white like scary white and don't we I mean vitamin D getting Sun I'm super sketched out by the idea of just um isolating compounds and doing everything through supplementation and vitamin d i to your point there's a lot of stuff we don't know yet and as more and more people start reading all their data things are going to Spring forth from the data and I have a feeling that one of the answers is going to be everything you can get naturally you should get naturally so if you can eat it like it would be far better my hypothesis goes that it would be far better to eat things that contain all the things that you're supplementing than it is to supplement vitamin D being the one again I'm a lay person I'm not a scientist I'm not tracking this is just a hypothesis I have which again is only my best guess but that vitamin D you want Sun impacting your skin is my gut instinct you're saying no I'm not saying no I'm saying that the way we approach skin our objective is to get my entire body to have the biological characteristics of my 17 year old yep so that includes all the characteristics and so we do full body treatment and we do a sufficient number of treatments for these treatments I need to be out of the Sun for certain durations of time and so really it's an optimization of we're doing treatments I avoid the sun because we're doing these treatments on an ongoing basis and we measure everything we use multi-spectral Imaging we measure it with all these different instruments and so we have a protocol of trying to do this and the idea of you know should you get sun or not sun and for how long and under what circumstances that's again an example of it explodes into Infinite complexity and if we actually take this and we look at the evidence I'm sure we could come up with some cohesive answer but it's the kind of thing that that to me gets in the way of the bigger picture like if you people get so fixated on this one thing of like how much time should you be in the Sun and then they spend all their time doing that and then commit self-destructive behavior and don't eat anything good for themselves and it's just it's missing this bigger picture and so it'd be wonderful to solve that debate once and for all for the evening Tire of all of humanity there's also bigger things we could be focusing on and so this protocol we have you know that's why my skin is so pale is we we have these iterations of these skin treatments and according to our measurement systems it's working like across whole body all right I want to start teasing out the difference between slowing the Aging clock and actual rejuvenation I know we won't know for quite some time and you were very thoughtful with your earlier answer you do think that we will ultimately be able to meaningfully reverse age um how much reversal are we going to be able to do and what what is the key to that is this like getting methylation right like is that really because I want to boil this down into its simplest thing and if I were to oversimplify based on my you know look I've done so many of these interviews now I'm really not your average layperson but I'm definitely not a scientist and I'm not at the bleeding edge of this stuff but methylation if the hypothesis that I put out earlier is accurate it seems like methylation is something we really have to point to and that is your cells begin to De um differentiate so they are no longer the eye the liver the skin they're just sort of uh they're falling apart they don't remember what kind of cell type they are if that really is true the methylation like that's going to be the thing zoom in on that all the things that we're eating it's working because it's helping with methylation again this is just hypothesis do you have a similar sort of boiled down thing or just I'm gonna guess the answer to this I don't know if the audience is going to love this or hate this but I want to see if I'm really beginning to understand what you're going to say is it's a waste of time to make that hypothesis and that the at today's current stage where artificial intelligence is and all that and where human intelligence is all you can do is look at the data and so you're going to try things you're going to look at the data you're going to try things and look at the data it's very unsatisfying in an interview but if that is the truth is that the truth I mean Dr Zolman uh created this 78 Oregon quantification methodology and he approached this saying you need to approach uh the human system by an organ by organ basis you of course can do things for system well-being like we have been doing and so we this first phase of blueprint has been entirely about getting the basics right to slow the rate of Aging we just started in the past month at this phase two which is what you said regeneration and we're doing this on an Oregon by Oregon basis so in the same way we can we've looked at my heart and we've Quantified it from a dozen or so different age markers and once you have those age markers you're armed with going to the literature and saying what evidence is there in literature that you can regenerate the heart in these functions or in this anatomical way and that's how we're approaching the entirety of regeneration and this is the open question is can we in fact reduce the biological age of me and its entirety starting with organs and so it may be epigenetics it may be the DNA methylation maybe not so it's really TBD but what we're doing is we have to start with measurement and we have to look at a system because your heart can be 70 years old and you're chronologically 30. so your organs are at this very wide range so you're not one age you're this whole you're hundreds of different ages and so that's what we're really trying to do is break it down that's why you need such robust measurement that's also why I'm sharing this all publicly is that the I know from experience if you take this to a doctor it's a hard conversation to have with the doctor they won't get it man uh like you would have to be with somebody so specialized I'm not saying no doctor ever I'm just saying the realities of the medical system is so overwhelming I think about this in my own business I spend so much time keeping the doors open and the lights on that I don't get to think enough about the future and all of that yeah and so God I can only imagine as a doctor you have to see so many patients in your yeah your income is dependent on the number of people that you get through the door you don't have time to be exactly and researching this stuff I'm saying absolutely nothing negative about doctors all I'm saying is uh they have a way of doing things and they have systems and they're played within a system with insurance companies and they they see patients like you're saying and so I if somebody's trying to do something that is not a part of the system it's hard which is why I've been sharing this with everyone is then it creates it gives an opportunity for a bunch of people to jump in and start doing things in different ways but it it's this opportunity for us to rethink entire like last night I was my I have so many ideas on my sleep always the last night the idea that was grinding away in my sleep was this idea of gen zero so we say you know we you tweeted that out yesterday or today yes so it was my son's idea and I was playing around with him uh with this idea of zero principle thinking all that kind of stuff and he said yeah gen zero and it just stunned me and so last night it was just churning in my sleep and I I was trying to write in my mind a paragraph of gen zero is you know uh in the 21st century gen zero was a group of you know people that spanned age and gender and ethnicity and blank and they came together and they effectively said World K detaching ourselves from All Things humans have built and we're okay to walk into this unknown future in this system where we all move in together doing this goal alignment but it wasn't it was this delicate relationship of like we honor what has what the human race has created we appreciate it for what it is we also are not beholden to any of it we're not trying to superimpose ourselves on the future we're not saying that what we have is the best thing that any intelligent group in the universe can create we are flexible we are open and we'll walk into this new system I was trying to think of what are the Contours of this new generation that is you unified not just by date of birth but unified by this philosophical concept realizing time and place if we buy into that together we can because holding on to these we love to grasp on to things with a death grip and for us to let go oftentimes the biggest impediment and so I just couldn't get the thought up out of my mind last night as like what is this new group of people they rally around and they find meaning in this new new unification so I mean really Tom like the and I know I always go to these philosophical areas and you're trying to be very proud I don't know we got the the hardcore practicality to me so now I'm open the future here is if we say the first goal is to create goal alignment within self and it raises this question who's in charge Brian who sets the alarm Brian at 9pm who sets the alarm for 6 a.m or 6 a.m Brian who wants to hit the snooze button and if we recognize the conflict within us at thousands of points and we say we need to go align within self and for me doing that was removing the tool I thought most important my own mind removing myself and saying I'm going to allow a system solve this for me and then if we say okay now I've got goal alignment with himself you and I are going to have goal alignment and we humans are going to work on our goal alignment and we're going to do it with artificial intelligence and we're going to do it with planet Earth the future of our existence is a computational fabric of goal alignment of trillions of intelligent agents and we are immersed in this tapestry and we're moving in this trajectory we don't know where but along the system and much like Evolution has done on planet Earth and produced but it's this system of interwoven intelligence and we're part of it and in doing that we may have to consider different ways of being and what we want to hold on to and how much we're willing to let go and how much we're willing to jump into this expansive future to me it seems like it's obvious like this is where it's moving and these are the systems we want to build so we can participate in this Future Okay so I love that Vision the data tells me that it will require brutal authoritarian rule to get everyone on board with that how do you think through the the messiness of the human mind because to your point about the death grip people grab on and they I have not seen evidence that everyone can let go of some people can you obviously can but how do you deal with the problem you know in religion the problem of evil I'll call this the problem of human like human's gonna human they're gonna be grabbing onto things clutching desperate unable to see that they exist inside of a frame of reference they can't break out of it um how do you deal with that I've been hosting these blueprint brunches at my home with friends uh called the first upper and I pose this question this thought experiment I say if you could have a system that takes care of you and gives you perfect health you feel your very best would you say yes to that knowing you're going to have to make knowing that you'll be making changes that accommodate that so for example if the algorithm has you in an ideal State eating the majority of your food in the morning you do so and you don't do so at night like whatever things emerge unless you say it changes something in your life right so if you could achieve perfect health from making some changes almost inevitably the response is no and a violent no and their and their minds generate almost like chat gbt a list of 45 reasons why existence no longer makes sense for them because it's a dystopian reality because they're being forced to do it uh just the thought just hits the brain in a way where there's this knee jerk reaction and because I don't think that question gets to the scary part yet so why are they so let me reiterate what I heard you just say um there is a system that will give you perfect health you'll have to follow the system but there's a system that will give you perfect health would you implement that system and you're saying people violently say no you say yes because and I understand this it steps on what they perceive to be their most sacred attribute of existence their their own decision Authority they're the way you pose that question isn't scary yet I so here's from your retelling here's what they're hearing and this I think is actually the thing that I'm worried about but it isn't what you asked and I just want to make sure that we tease those two things apart what it sounds like they're hearing is if I gave you a system that would give you perfect health and you can't opt out you are going to do it then I get why they would react violently yeah so I guess maybe the would you let people opt out like if you were the so this is the thing so this is not someone imposing this is your own privately controlled system so that no one's forcing it upon you and people still react negatively well so that doesn't compete yes I need you to the punch line because there's a good punchline here like but basically like you're safe it's okay there's no one behind this the curtains pulling the strings this is all about you and your private system with your ideal health so there's no bad things going on behind the scenes so would you accept that and this the trade-off is would you be willing to consider the modifications of life to do the thing and so what happens is and it's what I'm trying to say is the mind immediately wants to reject it because the mind wants to keep its authoritarian power and so your comment to me of the only way this could be implemented into society would be an authoritarian government superimposing on people what I'm saying is that what what you just said was my mind over my body I had that my mind was a tyrannical force over me forcing itself upon All of Me My Heart couldn't speak up my lungs couldn't speak up my kidney couldn't speak up my mind did whatever it wanted whenever it wanted and however it wanted and the moment its Authority is challenged it throws an absolute fit and I saw this when I fired evening Brian I said okay Brian from 5 P.M to 7 PM or 10 p.m he has no control he absolutely like he eats way too much food he's a very serious problem and when I got to the day and I said playfully you're fired and I started implementing that I would write it five and then he would show up and he'd be like just today or like just a little bit or and then when the answer came back no that version of Brian was on the floor throwing a tantrum punching holes in the wall Kicking and Screaming desperate for control and so I saw this Behavior inside I saw this whole argument happening inside of me as I screamed for control but I knew that wasn't appropriate because this this guy was really not in my best interest and so what I'm saying is it's it's this phenomena we have within ourselves within society and so if we're mindful enough about this conversation what I'm saying is we all have this inside of us right now this unfair relationship with selves but we desperately defend it even though it drives us to early death even though it drives us to aging disease and the only way I could solve my own problem was to remove my mind who was forcing itself upon on my body and have a system do it and so if in these dinners it typically it breaks people's brains because it triggers this really tough response and just like you everyone understands a question just slightly differently and they're like but wait a second what about this what about this what about that what about this but then at the end of the conversation after we've walked through it people get their bearings and be like you know what you're right like I have this nuanced relationship with myself I have these different versions of myself I'm not happy with all the different versions some of them I actually don't want in me anymore and so you can but it takes a little warm up because otherwise it triggers really strong responses so to me it's not about a government saying everybody should do this it's about each person this is what I'm saying if we want to solve the problems that are facing us the biggest problems we have it's not pointing out and finding who's creating the biggest problem and shaming them or yelling at them or telling them what they're doing wrong the best thing we can do is point itself and say how can I solve the problems within me and if we can solve the problems within ourselves we can begin to think about how to solve problems together but I don't know if we're going to be able to solve these big problems if we just ignore the major turmoil happening in each one of us and we don't solve this fundamental problem so again it we treat this planet the same way we treat ourselves okay so let's take the thought experiment as far as we can to make it as hard as possible so let's say the data is coming out it's very clear that people have an evil Overlord in their own mind the 5 to 10 pm Brian it's making poor decisions that then actually damages the computer their mind that they're using to approach the world in a rational fashion and so now I know I've got all the data in the world just thought experiment every single person that runs the protocol ends up thinking in a more similar fashion they're not at war with themselves they're saying the same things you're saying I would not trade the way that I feel now for anything in the world thank God I ran the protocol every person one after another after another after another so we know it works would you let people opt out knowing they're they're opting out almost certainly because their computer's broken and so if we just forced them just for a little while so that they could think clearly and then they would all come over to this camp but would you let them opt out every intelligent agent can choose as they they can choose what they want to do the goal here is to goal align among all agents and every agent every person when I say agent I just mean we need to think about this in terms of AI and humans and the planet it's no longer just humans we're playing with in a much broader game here and we really need to understand the game has changed every agent is going to make decisions in this Fabric and just like we do today and people play the your life with their various decisions we may turn a corner however is if we arrive I'm not sure that many of us look around right now and we're giving the world two thumbs up on how we're doing Maybe there's a better way of doing things and maybe if we could solve this fundamental problem of self-destruction not only within self but cheering on capitalistic systems in the world who cause people to commit self-harm who self-destructive behaviors who encourage them to commit self-destructive Behavior if we can solve these fundamental things and so it's not so violent maybe we'd feel different about each other maybe to feel different about doing this as a society right now it's reasonable to distrust because you know in the moment you get into a relationship with some kind of system that you know you have to be suspicious they're going to take advantage of you because it's not embedded in our morals and fabric you know morals and ethical systems yet that that's just not appropriate and so I understand what you're saying it really takes a few steps to think through this of get into a mindset where you feel safe that people and corporations are not out to get you you're in a system of goal alignment you're moving along each person can make different decisions on different things with certain variations but it's just a different way of being I'll give you all that but I'll ask like yes or no style would you let people opt out so it works everyone that does it there is a better way all of that but will you let them opt out and do dumb things oh I mean I have no Authority but if magic wand you now can do it do you think that that would be a desirable outcome to let people do dumb things they're putting us at risk it's a necessity it's I to let them do dumb things yes it's uh it's interesting you really I didn't think you were going to answer the question that way so this is utterly fascinating so just to put my own card on the table I think you have to let people do dumb things as much as I find it very distressing and it makes me very sad dumb I mean basically uh self-harm this the system requires agent action it requires that freedom of movement that's what the whole system is it it um it's because it's going to produce richness of outcome it's not entirely negative right there's like this diversity and unexpectedness and uh iteration it needs to have characteristics characteristics meaning you were talking earlier about the element of surprise like there's the unexpected all that so there is a richness in that that you think is ultimately desirable for humans okay that's really interesting and I actually thought you were going somewhere else so I'm very fascinated by that um one thing that I think is I may be approaching the problem just from a radically different perspective which is so going back to I want you're having a biological experience to be on my Tombstone and I've heard people say a lot until you change the biology you're never going to change the outcome like humans are going to do humany things and we know what that looks like it looks like exactly what we have right now and systems basically um you start from scratch and you build something up and it gets amazing and then you get to the point where the meaning making machine begins to break down people don't have to fight anymore I remember one of my earliest realizations was some people need to be chased by a lion and I wasn't even sure what I meant by that was probably my early 20s where I was just like I get the feeling that some people actually be better off if life was really hard and there's almost this like Surplus time to ruminate that gets people in a lot of trouble and so whether it's childhood trauma or whatever if you're not fighting for your life like that can be all-consuming okay let me piece this together so you're having a biological experience um there is I think a hyper predictable outcome to the way that the human mind is wired and it's it happens at different rates at different times largely based on geography which then gives birth to culture culture ultimately speaks to your frame of reference which I could do a whole episode on what frame of reference is but it is the water to the fish you see life entirely through your frame of reference but yet it is completely invisible to you one country is going to do well for a while and then it's going to crumble every Empire that has ever existed has also Fallen apart so there's something in here that's predictable but it's just different enough over time and all that that it it Rhymes but it's not perfectly predictable but on the grand Arc of humanity I think this is relatively predictable you're being led by the nose by your biology you've already identified that that there's your uh conglomeration of a bunch of different wants desires micro personalities all that and they're all sort of competing and if you could get your diet and sleep gross generalization if you could get those right your frame of reference would be altered so profoundly you would begin making different decisions but for me to try to force you into that shoot I break something in the way the human mind works and all hell breaks loose the other part of this that is really interesting now we have to get into kernel and why you're doing all of that is we may be and it's always dangerous to say this time it's different but we may actually be on the precipice because of artificial intelligence where everything really is going to change and to put a really fine point on it you said the exact reason why this is what Ray Kurzweil calls The Singularity which people are now defining differently but I think the right way to define the singularity around artificial intelligence is it is the point at which you can no longer predict the future your your ability to understand how many zeros the zero principle meaning that we go from zero to one just over and over these are things that weren't guessable from the previous moment they are the einsteinian Breakthrough of oh no no Newtonian physics is actually wrong its special relativity it's general relativity it's all completely different Quantum World Cup it was always there yeah but now we're like holy cow like this is real really really different so when you have Einstein level zero to one realizations coming off at 10 a day 100 a thousand a day where you have a computer that can do 20 000 years worth of self-improvement overnight it you you can't predict the next hour let alone the next day week your whatever that's right so if we really are on the precipice of that moment then it's like well we have to be uniquely thoughtful so to bring your whole world view together and then we'll go into kernel it's hey because that's so real and oh by the way it all starts with this food which is why we began the episode here because you have to change your biology in order to change your frame of reference in order to see this moment clearly enough but now this moment is very real and we have to find a way to align our goals internally interpersonally and with artificial intelligence well said I have the chills because I'm worried that you're right and that this is a really big complicated thing but how true to how I've experienced life that it all begins with food just one thing on yours the whole thing is basically something big is happening wouldn't it be amazing if we could cooperate that's it and to cooperate I need to help you with your biology we in order for us to cooperate we need to cooperate within ourselves and incorporate with each other and cooperate with our this new form of intelligence and we need to cooperate with planet Earth we need to cooperate to move forward and that's if you look at the world and you measure the acrimony and the violence and the hate you know like yes things are moving along but could we do a better job and so really boil the whole thing down yes like can we figure out systems of cooperation okay um I took down a quote but I turned my phone off so I'm gonna have to paraphrase it this is you it goes something like this I can't imagine a world in which in I think it was 50 years in 50 years from now that humans are relevant if they can't learn to read and write in the language of the brain you didn't say language of the brain but neurology or something like that um what do you mean by that and how is Colonel helping to address that in the in the same way that blueprint makes uh maintaining perfect diet and Engineering discipline so we're not we're trying to avoid guesswork we're trying to avoid uh people riffing on the spot we're trying to say we want as good of data as we can from as many data points as we can we want to look at evidence we want to protocol I'm suggesting it might make sense to do the same thing with our mind the wellness of our minds and So when you buy an appliance you don't think about whether it's going to fit through your door you just assume it will and you don't think about it and we do all kinds of things every day where we just do something because we assume that it's just going to work in society so Society builds itself according to engineering standards we figure out the size of a door then appliances are built for that size and all the above we currently have few ways to build engineering standards around our own mental well-being because we don't have measurement and so we have a cognition crisis in the world today with mental health and we have as a way of measurement we have our feelings to express but we don't have good ways to measure the brain frequently with high resolution and it leaves us with this huge blind spot so how much social media is good for the brain how much social interaction is good for the brain what happens when someone does ketamine or to the brain over a 30-day time period what happens when someone does an SSRI what happens when and fill in that blank with hundreds of examples we don't have good examples we don't have good data so the technology to image the brain uh gold standard fmri but it's too big and too expensive it's a million multi-million dollar machine room size system on the lower end of EEG which is easier to do but it's not good enough so there's this huge gaping hole which is why none of us measure our brains on a regular basis and so the idea with kernels we've built this helmet that can measure your brain it looks at your cortex and we can answer questions so for example I did ketamine while wearing this brain device flow and we looked at my brain my ketamine of all the drugs uh it was the fastest path to do because we could do it in healthy participants if we did something like psilocybin or MDMA we had to set up a trial and so this is a way for us to do it quickly but we wanted to pose the question what happens in the brain when someone does ketamine and so I measured my brain every day for five days that I measured it when I did ketamine I had a 68 milligram intramuscular dose according to an FDA recipe and then I measured my brain for 30 days after and we now have data showing what happened in my brain over a 35 day time period when I did ketamine and it helps Baseline so what we showed from the study is a 15 person study that a person's response to ketamine predicted their depressive symptoms a week later their response to ketamine so not taking it or not taking it how they responded they're actually the amplitude of that responsible actually how they responded to ketamine predicted their depressive symptoms a week later meaning if you respect Define responded like positively what was the data point just meaning like the the signatures of the brain response that we recorded So the type of signature how Universal is this for example think of uh how carrots uh create a response in you if you're glycemic yep so same thing Academy someone experiences ketamine everyone has a varied response and so what you're trying to solve with ketamine is uh who's it going to work on uh how well is it working how many doses do they need at what frequency for depression yeah or for anything else cadmium could be used for but you're basically trying to figure out just like okay so uh think of curl like a blood glucose monitor you put that on and you're trialing certain foods like when I eat grapes spikes carrots Spike when I eat this and you're creating this intuition of what happens to your body when you have these foods have you created an AI algorithm that says these brain patterns or brain States I'm not sure how you think about it but are these brain patterns or brain states are they are good and these other ones are bad and so you took ketamine and you now four days later are in good brain activity versus somebody who took it and didn't respond in the to the degree that we would want them to respond and they are now in bad negative sub-optimum again not sure what words you would use brain patterns is that how you're thinking of it I mean the language of the discipline is not yet to a good and bad State their observations about networks and how they operate and so it's still an emergent area but you can tease out what are the defining patterns of a person's experience and so we know what depression looks like yeah starting to get exactly to get patterns of you know of these things and again the science is emerging but just to basically say we can acquire patterns of the brain they give us insight to these basic questions should a person do ketamine MDMA and SSRI breath work nothing blank blank blank blank we don't know and should I do one of these or 10 of these and how do you manage the markers and should they eliminate social media from their database and should they we just have no idea how to modulate the well-being of our brain how good is the reading so I've seen the video of it looks really cool but I don't is that like um feeling uh micro bumps through mittens or are we like really like able to to get a good read how how good is the helmet that's the question it's better than what we have right now which is nothing and so another study we did which will help build intuitions we looked at alcohol dose response so we said we had a placebo a low and then a medium alcohol and so we found that when people had a a low alcohol uh response they um they became impaired uh when they did behavioral measures that you couldn't identify their impairment they behaved as if they were not impaired we could see the impairment in the brain because the brain compensates for the impairment and the person performs as well in the tasks as though they were not impaired but we can see it when they became sufficiently intoxicated they became so impaired the brain lost its ability to make up for it so this is the same thing that happens in cognitive decline so cognitive decline starts many many years before the behavioral measures happen because the brain is compensating for the decline yeah and so this whole idea is we can record things in the brain that we are unaware of and so in this case when people were self-reporting whether or not they were intoxicated you know impaired it was wildly inaccurate and so the fundamental question is can I rely upon myself report my ability to feel what I'm experiencing reported is that an accurate representation of what is going on in my brain no so if we can't rely upon that and we can't measure it we're Flying Blind in society as we build systems of mental Wellness which like you look at the world and it's like we're I don't know if we're doing great I don't know if we give ourselves a five-star review in the mental Wellness of society and so flow is meant to say we can record uh this brain activity and we can apply it to everything that will allow us to create intuitions and data and protocols so it's basically blueprint but for the brain where you're taking this system of measurement and it gives scientists ways to measure their psychedelics you know as they develop these things whether they want a because we could pick up a a signature of whether someone is going through a altered state of conscience or not it's something that could level up the way in which we fix things that are broken in the brain and improve things that are working are you guys using AI because this feels like I can use it I can kick off all this data but if I don't have something that's aggregating these patterns then and not just aggregating them but looking at them and associating them either with self-reported feelings or something but something has to make the correlation right something has to tell me uh your HRV was too flat and by the way you want this much variability as optimal do you guys have that kind of read on the data so that is exactly what we're doing we're trying to do right now so we are looking at um basically an HIV for the brain so we're looking at the default mode Network which is a big circuit in the brain that has it's very studied and when the default mode network is poorly regulated sometimes bad things happen ADHD depression anxiety when the default mode network is well regulated a person's in a better State now there's a lot of studies showing the power of looking for the default mode Network and what we've done is we've built a system where you put flow in your head you look at a screen and you're training your default mode Network so it's almost I think about like trying to control move your air you're not quite sure how to do it you just like think about it long enough and eventually you find the muscle and it's like ah there it is I can now move my ear so you're using it like bio feedback no feedback whoa and so it's basically think of it like you so I can watch it live exactly you watch you watch a screen so we all know going to the gym to work out biceps or work out the legs you do exercises that get stronger it helps you in everything in life we're saying you can basically go to the gym for a brain muscle that's really important to everything managing things that have gone wrong improving things are going well preparing yourself for adversity so there's a lot of studies showing the promise it's not yet Beyond reproach that's there we're trying to prove the science but that's what we think is potentially the most interesting thing right now is can we isolate the default mode Network can people wear this and can they do bio nerve feedback looking at your screen and learn how to build this muscle and if they do that I mean for example could soldiers do this so that when they encountered something that was PTSD inducing it'd be less of a blow or could you do something where when a person's in a negative state of anxiety depression that instead of taking a a pill to try to address it they build the muscle to counteract it and it's an active thing they do and so we're excited about this where our first data is coming out in a month of where we're at we need to answer questions like how many people can successfully do this over how many sessions how long does it last so it's still emergent but we like the idea as a practical demonstration of build a muscle in your brain that helps you resilient be resilient to bad things and improve the things that are already working well dude so I used I had a very debilitating back problem at one point where it was technically my scalenes so I I couldn't even sit or stand like everything was uncomfortable I'm not a crier but it made me want to cry like I had this sense of like I if I could just weep about this that it would I would somehow have emotional catharsis that I needed it was that like all-encompassing in my life oh God it was miserable and I of course thought well it's it's a problem here with my scalings or it's a problem with my neck as it turned out it's the mid of my back had a weakness and when I went to see a physiotherapist he was like oh I know exactly what your problem is I see this a lot like you need to fire these muscles and I'm like I am firing those muscles he's like no you're not and he was like touching me he's like you're not firing them at all he's like I'm going to give you a biofeedback device I'm going to put uh you know a little electrode or whatever on that part of the muscle yeah and this device is going to beep whenever you actually fire that and it was life-changing yeah so I finally learned I was like I was like oh my God and so by being able to hear it I completely eliminated my scaling problem because I was able to finally figure out how to work out those muscles was just mind-blowing so as somebody who has struggled with profound anxiety the thought of being like ah I know what scenarios put the helmet on and be like there's calm dude that could be I've heard you we're not sure yet lots left to do but if that works anything like the biofeedback that I got on my back it that's life-changing yeah I love your experience that's exactly what we're trying to do so how does one encounter that now is that they have to come to your clinic and it's all sort of pre um commercialization yeah we're actually getting volunteers right now to do our preliminary study then we'll do a second study based upon those results so yeah you can come to Colonel uh we I think we have it on the website you can sign up and then if we can show compelling results we want to get this to clinics all over the world and we want this to be in people's homes because if like you're saying um if you can in fact focus on this brain muscle and it has this connection to a whole bunch of things it could be meaningfully impactful in a lot of people's lives and it's not just the the device doesn't just work for the default mode Network it's just the network we chose all right there's all kinds of networks in the brain we could we could train it on and so it's just the very beginning and then once you have the data and the networks you start playing with interventions like okay so now you're doing this exercise now you can add these other things does it help does it hurt does it accelerate and that's really we're trying to kick off a an enthusiastic uh Improvement of our mental well-being across the board so not just address things that are bad like ADHD depression and so on but also performance concentration and Imagination and creativity and resilience so it's full spectrum and so the technology is built took us five years to build uh people suggested to us is impossible we did it successfully the team's remarkable and now we need to prove the science in this window of time we have which is a big task and we we chose an impossibly hard thing to do with this company yes you did now what what is the hard part is it getting the light through the skull is it making sense of the which I guess for people that don't know that's what you guys are doing using photons right you shoot them into the brain it's exactly the way the sun works so nobody should be freaked out Sun penetrates you far Deeper Than People realize so you're zapping photons in people's brains some of them bounce back out the ones that come back out tells us what we need to know about what's going on um is that the hard part like what's the what's the impossible I mean it's like everything's hard uh it's yeah it's basically it's a pulse oximeter so a lot of people became familiar with pulse oximeters during covid you put this on your finger you see a red glow and it tells you your heart rate and your blood oxygenation uh and so it's just a pulse oximeter for the brain very safe uh like you said it less light in your brain than you're going out the Sun and by looking by doing that you tease out patterns of the brains you can see how the brain is firing which regions are talking in which regions so you have this really beautiful Matrix of data and so it's like um yeah it's just it's the once you have a device that can acquire information like so a blood glucose monitor you wear or like a genome sequence or a microbiome sequence or a blood panel whenever you have these measurements you get it it creates an entire ecosystem that surrounds itself with a measurement and they build around it and right now we're Flying Blind to brain you know like so it is trying to create a formal data-driven discipline around our mental well-being it's the only device in the world that has the ability that is low cost enough high quality enough and easy enough to use there's nothing else that can do it and so we need to show this can punch through we have not done that yet we're close but now we're just playing in the realm of Science and you just can't predict science we don't know when we're going to reach a threshold to say it's there now it could be in a month it could be three months it could be 12 months we don't know and that's the hard thing about deep Tech is you you can't engineer science in a way that is predictable yeah and you seem to really be following the data which I really appreciate um so using the technology um on a daily basis to find some sort of ability to use that muscle in order to shape the way that you feel is one of those things that man that could really be transformational but I want to know why did you go down that path so I know you and Elon spoke early on in the process and you were originally about implantation in the brain and so tying this back into your quote if humans don't figure out how to write read and write in the language of Neurology they're going to be irrelevant why did you give up on what seems like it would be way more like you'd be able to do far more manipulation if you actually get inside the brain yeah the uh my analysis was that building an implantable product uh takes around 10 years ish once you build it to go through trials get the clinical outcomes it's like 10 years ago to Market thereabouts and then you start the rollout process you're going through the healthcare system and insurance companies it's a it's a long slow process now it has its place and it's done there's over 300 000 people who have implants today whoa so it's been it's been wildly successful to treat things like Parkinson's and other things it has shortcomings in that it's not scaled very easily you know you're dealing with surgery and you're dealing with neurosurgeons of like how many people can actually do it at the time nobody thought there was a non-invasive path to do it if you just surveyed the world and Sample people everyone would have told you no path and so we spent two years looking at every possible path we could look at according to the laws of physics and we did everything and we found a path that we could just barely see through everything had to work to make that happen and we threaded the needle and we succeeded we we built the technology it works we have peer review Publications on this and it it does it and so my bet was the time scale it takes to develop an implantable product is going to be a hard one because the other technologies will come and compete with it will be less invasive will come along at a faster clip than this development process it'll be better to be a non-invasive for the short term and then secondarily is when you write to the brain you of course can stimulate so if you're implanted in the brain you can stimulate a region of the brain but there's a hundred billion neurons you're not going to stimulate all 100 billion neurons whereas you you and I right now are stimulating each other's neurons through audio visual inputs so if you have a device on the head you have the full human sensory system for the inputs you can write to the brain through all those modalities and that's what that's what I wanted to try to trade off is could you build a device that could be scaled across the globe standardize the measurement of our brains give every scientific discipline the ability to use this data to improve their disciplines to improve The Human Condition and then you can have all these modalities to write to the brain so could you start a new era of human well-being in our minds with this basic measurement of the brain and that was the BET we've made and so we succeeded in the first part of the technology build we now have to show our first Market demonstration so the investors say we're good you know like we've I've poured heart and soul I've put over uh I've put almost 60 million dollars in this company uh you know and taking it through covet and the financial crisis like it's just been it's been unbelievably hard to build it's a pretty big uh Challenge and I would say like that which makes these results on blueprint that much more impressive if you look at the amount of stress that I felt in building this startup with these difficulties uh and still achieve these results I mean like I'm not you'd be 19 if you weren't a Founder I mean I'm not yeah I'm not just chilling at home all day like you know like building a startup is an absolute full contact sport I mean it's brutal and then this company is brutal and so um yeah um it's been fun to do both uh Colonel's been extraordinarily taxing you know it's it's tough I bet brother what a joy this has been where can people follow you Twitter I mostly hang out and have conversation there Brian underscore Johnson awesome I'll be coming at you hot and fast on Twitter man this was so fun guys if you haven't already be sure to subscribe and until next time my friends be legendary peace if you want the secrets to reversing aging and looking younger be sure to watch this episode here reversing aging of the eye that's not hard at all but we can reverse the age of the liver the skin other labs are doing the spleen thymus through this method [Music]

Channel: Tom Bilyeu

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Length: 119min 52sec (7192 seconds)

Published: Thu Feb 09 2023