Anthony Joshua shares all in full interview & challenges Gary Neville in the ring | The Overlap

going back to that first fight with rooney were you complacent because it happens in football no excuses you know this little chubby mexican that beat me sounds like me that's the chat right here please release me purified why are you not fighting him now it's the fight that everybody wants to see i'll smoke that guy sometimes you've got to fight in the pocket and let him know i'm moving over here yeah do you respect him as a boxer do you respect him as a man i'm not friends with no one they're all enemies at the end of the day on this episode of the overlap i traveled to sheffield to spend an afternoon with the unified heavyweight world champion anthony joshua has had a rapid rise to the summit of world boxing we've talked about thoroughly brushed with the law boxing's need to reform the role of promoters and his rivalry tyson fury hi anthony welcome to the overlap every guest on the overlap has to do a challenge and yours is to put me through my paces and give me a bit of a bit of i had to do a challenge no no no no you bottled out apparently let's get into it then let's go so here we've got the chaser machine we used to have something like this you know at united it was a called a batac machine yeah must have developed from your day yeah it has what's the right what's the right distance to stand away from it around here a little bit closer i'd say yeah so you can just [ __ ] reach it you're ready one minute top right lovely lovely 10 seconds left doing a great job keep it going left let him feel like it one left three two well done well done well done yeah look at your suffering you brought yourself a chocolate bar let's move on to the next exercise which is less taxing on the body what's uh can i reach that is that fast set for you that's it yeah i said for you i set this food you go you go so speedball hand-eye coordination yeah so it gives you a little bit of rhythm works the shoulders so you're just trying to catch it before it comes back see that's there before it gets back no i get you i just don't think it's going to happen why i just oh it's nice it's not as actually heavy as you think is it ah this one's not heavy there we go this looks so easy when you're doing it by the way and then it's absolutely unbelievable i like your skills there that's that's a really advanced technique when you're doing this yeah really advanced don't feel like it because what they normally do yeah the way you're doing it is what kind of you like wow wow kind of like an advantage boom that's kind of an advanced way of what you would do that is unbelievable that by the way but you're doing that technique you're kind of like so that's kind of like the speed ball jeez [Applause] that's the chat bought some gloves yeah yeah get these out of the way wasn't bad was it not bad at all so we've got some like 14 ounce gloves training gloves what handed are you what right-handed right-handed yeah all right that's the hay maker yeah so yours would be lighter than this would they yeah four ounces lighter these are close to what you would be using but at the same time in training you want to protect your knuckles yeah so you don't want to be using the same weight gloves that you'll be fighting in because you know your hands and stuff you need to look after your hands do you remember the first time you ever put your gloves on i just remember sitting back watching him train at the gym i'm watching the other guys do it and ask me could [ __ ] do this i could take these guys on but when you're on the outside it's easy yeah and once you get in there it's completely different and i just remember getting my head punched in week after week after week but after going through that process week after week then it turns into month after month you start kind of changing the tide and that was like what i loved about boxing is i could track my progression there was a group of us that started and then slowly as the training got harder a lot of people started dropping off dropped off man actually he just kept on improving improving improving and the thing is in boxing you can go in there like today and be like let me just show you a bit of work on this chaser on the uh speed ball oh you know what you've got you've got ben let's do a bit of sparring come on let's you got your gum shot don't worry and next minute now you're sparring is that supposed to happen to me no not today not today not today but that's the process of boxing yeah but you want to do any sparring can i do a little bit you want to do another one yeah a little bit like someone in yeah but not like will i get hurt like a little bit i'll jump into it by the way i've seen that united don't sell it [Music] okay so this is like the heavy bag right yeah and i believe that this is such an important tool when you punch an opponent no one's probably gonna weigh as much as this bag yeah so it's really conditioning that boom that yeah there's fibers in your body and you're going for four or five minutes on this bag you're thinking of your rhythm your shape you're learning your range but for you as you're beginning we will work on power output and a tiny bit of conditioning so we could say we're going to go for just 20 there and then after we'll probably go for the boom the consonant so what that's doing is working the rotation rotation yeah so i'm only going for 20 punches yeah up the top the top so my tops down there though so you kind of want to work here yeah let's go one two three four five six seven eight nine ten eleven twelve thirteen twenty fifty thirteen eighteen nineteen 20. now find a position of your body where you're gonna rotate and you're gonna finish with balance and power yeah three four five six seven eight nine ten lovely so now you can start feeling the shock absorbers working then you're gonna maybe develop it and go bang and bring it up with the left hook as well there bang balance lovely three four five six seven eight nine ten lovely that's it champ that's it champ [Music] you got into trouble when you were younger back then yeah yeah yeah because i look at you now on television it's the first time i've met you today face to face you're an incredible sportsman an incredible role model you're incredible in terms of your professional life your your management team the way in which you've taken care of your own management and promoted your own fights but was that the crossroads in your life where you thought i need to change this is the moment i'm not coming back here again did you feel that that night but that's when i started boxing so what happened now the boxing came straight after that after that so i got let out on bell after like two months it was like we i had to sign on i got banned from the area i grew up in my auntie's house had to go up as a bell condition to say i can't leave the country if i leave then the government security against your auntie's house yeah i had to be on tag had to be at home every day at eight o'clock and then i got banned from watford so i'm now coming to london a lot so i'm in london now and i'm thinking boy if i go to jail i need to get strong so i start pumping weights and that's when he took me down the gym you know those times when i had to rush out the gym come on i got a rush you know the coach wants to talk to you after training but i'm on tag yeah i can't sit here and talk so yeah then i got not guilty and uh i carried on in that path and then two and a half years later i'm at the olympics wow my whole life flipped on its head without ben introducing me and who knows what i would be doing now and what about his boxing story i mean i asked you about it you were telling me before it's incredible just tell us a little bit about it and what happened so it was coming up to my third professional fight i didn't have no sponsorship or anything like that so it's a thing where when i was fighting that's why i was getting paid and then literally i think a week before the fight i had an eye injury uh lower orbital blood fracture um and i was thinking [ __ ] like i've got i've got to still fight but it was the thing where after that session was that because of the money yeah you felt you had to fight the time yeah and it was just coming up to christmas as well it's got a family as well so it's just a thing where i kind of went into that fight more or less blind in this i couldn't see anything and obviously good in this eye so went into the fight got worse and then you know eventually when they come to do my medical we met kill him because you have to do every single year because your doctor said he couldn't pass it because of the eye i didn't really know how severe his eye injury was he kind of kept it to himself jermaine is that warrior mentality's tribal war with the punishment he went into the fight with the fractured because you're supposed to they say you know you fight with one arm you fight with one leg like you know it's real like you get your iron bust like how are you going to fight like that broken fingernail well this box is a fun yellow game i did retire undefeated by the way did you you lose that fight no no no it's a draw as a draw you're doing well one night what can you say you drove me one night that's unbelievable it's what it is at least i'm still you know supporting you know anthony on his road as well and i'll always be here to support him i like to just come under boom yeah the fury fight why are you not fighting him now it's not me it's the other side that are letting this down people seem to think that me not calling people out i mean i ain't got the passion to kick some ass i'm ready so pad works quite new in boxing in my opinion the bag don't hit back but working here yeah we could work on defense and combinations are you destroying people's wrists that you're on these pads where their butt their wrist must be like yeah yeah so you're right-handed yeah yeah so that's the power shot that's the daddy which is basically boom yeah so you know that already this is your smoke screen yeah so you're going to use this to set your opponent up so you could hit him like maybe with four of these two three four before you land the big boom and the reason why i'm using one pad is because an opponent only has one head okay so i'm just going to hold this yeah and i want you why am i nervous and i want you to work it however you want lovely lovely lovely lovely lovely and then this one's going to be here so as you there we go there we go now you can throw the f cup which is one of my favorite punches as a big guy yeah we're always taught to box here yeah very rangy but with me i like to just come under boom yeah yeah it's a shot you don't see coming and it's very devastating punch lovely that's on pairing don't listen later see if you want to get into this boxing game i actually like it from a fitness point of view yeah but i mean seriously it's embarrassing give me that lovely lovely lovely lovely now wing that in and you're going to go ah bang that's how you knock off yeah knock someone out it's the accuracy in it that's what it's about accuracy now the element of boxing is to hear not get hit yeah but sometimes you gotta fight in the pocket yeah it's a struggle for territory yeah i struggle for respect the war's not always going to be one with ease sometimes wars are bloody one two three four roll roll one two three push roll roll one two three four roll welcome to boxing 101 so much thank you ready i'm good you'll be a meter apart please we're in the gym right now so sorry about all the young athletes downstairs running around in the last few months everyone probably not just in this country around the world has seen what's happened with regards to the fury fight that was going to happen yeah what's happening there you know we could say a million things there's all these things you want a million things yeah tell me a million things because honestly i'm fascinated in this in football everybody has to play each other that's a given why are you not fighting him now how can you be told who to fight when it's the two best fighters it's a fight that everyone wants so there's his side there's her side and then there's the truth so we'll get to the truth what my truth is i come into this pro game as a young heavyweight starting at the bottom fury and these guys are well advanced well ahead of me in terms of they were professionals when i first walked into the boxing gym so when i first walked into the gym with ben these guys were already done their amateur career and their pros so when i done my olympic thing quick and i turned pro i'm looking at these guys i want what they've got and i've i've brought champion of the champion defended my belt against my mandatory challenges lost my belt won it back and there's a time now where it comes to fighting the guys that people want to see me fight which is no problem it's not a problem at all we do good business with people and it's just clear to see now with this last situation we faced is like the 258 management matchroom done a great job of putting on a potential show that was ready signed to go ahead during the pandemic which was a nice offer lucrative offer where x amount of fans would have been able to go ready to sign ready to fight no qualms on my ends i'm ready and they bailed out on not only me but the boxing world because this is the first time in 120 years or so that two british fighters would have fought for the undisputed title it was a legacy fight and that's the only reason why it didn't happen because they even wasn't organized on their side fury wasn't ready for the fight i don't know what it is but my truth all i could say is that if you look at the history the email trials the conversations we had the deal in place we were the ones who found the venue we were the ones who took the offer to them and they were the ones who couldn't fulfill their end by just putting a signature on a contract so you don't believe in this legal thing that happened in america you think that's just a small screen no that's real but that can't be an excuse as to why so you think he should have just ignored that and just gone and took the fire i think he should have made it clear from the get-go ah that you don't think he basically was transparent at the beginning about what was happening yeah it's not a problem if i'm not ready to fight i said look guys look i'm gonna be real with you i want the undisputed fight but let me get past my mandatory challenger let me get past my rematch clause and then i'm gonna win i'm gonna do this for us and i'm to fight this undisputed fight that's just honest rather than saying i want the undisputed he's dodging me he's doing this they don't want it i'm giving him a deadline before they make this contract viable if they don't get it to me in 24 hours i'm not signing it we get a contract in 23 hours well we want this and that we make sure we keep on plugging away making sure that the deal why would they do that if they knew they couldn't second it why would they do that so this is where i can't understand because we got it to the line where we just need to step over yeah which is the signing of the contract signing of the agreement do you know i think he wants do you think he doesn't want this fight now he's like he's a fighter anymore he's not gonna what's the worst that can happen you get hit yeah you know he's been doing it for years however i just know on my end and my management team and my promoters we've done everything we can to make this happen and as long as i'm champion i'll compete with anyone will it happen in the future can this contract not be saying now that you've got for after these two fights that you're both gonna have so i've got a tough challenger coming up now great fighter but irrespective even if you win lose he wins or loses you can still take oh we're worried about the belt yeah without the belts we get the belt because i think honestly i mean i rate that i rate it that's something you can you can sign this contract and say well irrespective of what we'll find 100 listings yeah let's do it i think because to me it's the fact that you want it's the fact that everybody wants to see and i smoke that guy a wall it's annoying is he annoying you at the moment not annoying you're in the twitter spot the other day weren't you i thought it was quite it's just like for me it was just like i don't really get into the twitter back and forth because it's twitter fingers that i can be anyone could sit behind a computer and talk i liked it yeah but let's let's be real let's be honest let's let the people know you wouldn't want to let the fans down because everyone seems to think i fought in december the 12th when they were like who do you want to fight next i said i don't want to quote any names and i know because i'm going to start shouting out people's names and i'm going to be in this position now where the guy's name i'm shouting out doesn't want to fight or he's not ready to fight i said whoever's got the championship belt let me fight and people seem to think that me not calling people out and effingham blinding and flipping tables mean that i ain't got the passion to kick some ass believe me i'm down i'm in the gym now as we're speaking you don't see me sitting in a pub having this interview i'm in my place at work it's not me it's the other side that are letting this down we are keen we're ready i was three years as a professional i won the championship belt and ever since then i've been defending and fighting and remaining as champions so if you look at my history it shows that i'm a championship level fighter and i'll stay here providing that the champions want to come and fight last question on him you i suspect you respect every boxer just naturally but do you respect him as a boxer do you respect him as a man i don't know you don't know if you respect him as a boxer or a man i like vladimir klitschko he's cool he's cool so you don't respect him as a man i don't know i don't really look at anyone in my industry like that there's people i want to just fight i ain't got no time for none of them i'm not friends with no one they're all enemies at the end of the day these promoters are they too influential when i was younger someone come up with a contract 10 million is that tempting no eddie hearn is one of the most prominent promoters would you see him as someone who owns you works for you we're partners i've been really critical of football's governance in the last three to four months because i think it's it's dysfunctional in i think to myself yeah you've got these organizations that are sat here with these belts yeah telling you who to fight yeah not putting you together mandatory challenges that aren't to me it just feels like quite dark a little bit sort of like dinosaur mafia yeah a little bit like not clean not transparent not independent is that how you feel so it's it's a business that's stuck in the dark ages but we're doing a lot of good work to bring it to the light bring it to the forefront i think broadcasters have a big part to say in this situation you're with one tv i'm with another so who's gonna get the rights to put the fight on first i'm one promoter that's a line with one governing body you're in line with another and i'm just that geezer on the sidelines that's like i'll fight anyone yeah but there's a lot of other things that are in the way but that's frustrating though but with the fury fight we got all that out of the way yeah and we presented the deal yeah but why not auntie joshua tyson fury two unbelievable characters personalities strong mindsets and you've got these sort of like governing bodies with sort of like people in there that you know no one's ever seen the faceless telling you who to fight where to be telling you you can't fight surely you just throw the belts down and you say right okay we're the best boxers we're gonna fight this can you do that is that realistic is that just me being no no it's real it's real but the only way i'll do that is if i lost what i have when i fight for these belts i fight because of the great history it has do you know yeah as much as i want to just fight these people it's weird that we put so much credibility towards these titles it's about putting on the right fights doing good business and that's all that matters at the end of the day so as i said the tides are changing before a lot of fighters would fight for the titles for nothing you know with without titles i want to fight i'm a throwback fighter but people are becoming more business savvy and the tide will change where fighters start making the right decision for themselves and just trying to organize a fight is so much hurdles and obstacles it shouldn't be that difficult should it it shouldn't be ideal no sport you know you so like imagine quickly so i'm training for the fury fight i'm understanding negotiations i'm speaking with people abroad management this that training team getting things ready then all of a sudden stops the whole process starts again and i'm so like close to it because i'm the fighter at the end of the day i gotta get ready for it when you first got that message through it's off what was your feeling where's that twitter where's my phone i don't know it's annoying would a box never ring another boxer up i mean it sounds really yeah yeah yeah he would they would just ring him up and say should we do this yeah yeah yeah this is the thing i speak to i cuss him though i don't really chat to him like a mate yeah and he don't talk to me like i may even know now we're quite i'm quite aggressive i just do mine quietly he does he's on the internet live i do mind quite quietly will while debating do you think jordan to be honest um don't care you don't care we all do respect your questions yeah i just don't care but you must want him to win so that you win and you come together for this i'll fight them at one stage as i said i put the deals even wilder we gave him a very lucrative deal to come and join a network where we could both fight on which was a massive offer decided to fight fury i think because fury had just come off his layoff and he must have thought it would be an easy touch yeah that's where we're at now them two are still going through their litigations and legal legalities we're straight shooters we're quite professional we're very forward-thinking in our organization that's how i think we've managed to get our heads but i think other people think that on the outside as well yeah i think so i mean i've met you for the first time today but i think my view would be when i i would think that you look like you're in control you're not having people leeching off you that you've managed yourself well that you're in control of things it's one of the things that i see sometimes when i see the promoter come and sit next to the boxer at the end of the day you're thinking to yourself i'm sat there at home and i'm like yeah this guy like he's got a pinstripe suit and he's got gelled hair yeah yeah yeah and his boxers next to me just had 12 rounds of hell yeah and this guy's speaking for him and i'm thinking go away yeah yeah yeah it's the truth and even as a fighter you got to encourage speak for yourself be good in front of the camera learn learn the tricks of the trade but some people want to make it about themselves etc are they too influential these promoters honestly it's all about depends who it is it just depends who you work with and it depends what type of person you are you might want to be in the background you know you might push your promoters to do all this yeah because if you talk too much you put yourself in the firing line there must be some horror stories of boxers being ripped off by promoters by management by people around them there must be some horror stories so what i learned when you first start your career as a footballer my career as a boxer there's always something that you would have told yourself like ah i want to represent myself properly aside from like your football skills or i want to make sure that i set myself up after football and you'll always stay true to that path and one of mine was when i hear about a lot of the mistakes boxers make every film you watch is always about that boxer that lost everything and it's kind of lonely i always wanted to make sure i make quite executive decisions so that once it's all done the ship doesn't sink we all still sell towards greatness you know and even after i'm not here there's still a system in place that all of us can kind of we create something which is so colossal it's bigger than we can imagine so that's like what i was always true to is making sure i make the right decisions as an athlete because um the stories especially in boxing where mistakes are made um are too common rather than boxes doing the opposite in boxing the feeling would be that the promoter almost owns the boxer you obviously okay that's the feeling that's the thing you think going back to don king and yes i feel like he owned mike tyson i felt like he had control of him it's quite interesting and then when i look at you you've got eddie hearns one of the most prominent promoters would you see him as someone who owns you works for you or you're a partner how would you see it we're partners we're good strategic partners from day one so what's the split 100 of a box in fact not yours specifically but what would be the true split hundred percent of the purse of a fight okay what would go to the promoter what would go to the fighters what would go to everyone else i'm asking for yours know it just truly depends on on your marketability but to break it down i could sign you as a young fighter i could just offer you a fee yeah it's not like you own me or anything depends i could i could buy out your image right since i want to buy out all of your rights your future earnings you're controlled i you are i control you no matter if you go to tom dick or harry or on this network or that network i'm always going to have a pc and does that happen uh it can do i was offered that i was offered that twice in my amateur career um one guy that was just around the amateur gym when i was in court one day for another illegal issue when i was younger someone come up with a contract 250 g's to sign it i was thinking god yeah let's go say where's that how have you not signed that contract i don't know i don't know did you say no then you must have said no yeah because i know because obviously i love the the documentaries and i luckily i saw the horror stories i've done yeah i've done a lot of studying on the horror stories so of that i was offered 10 million to someone to sign at what point uh probably like 2015. was that tempting no he said no straight away yeah i just backed myself yeah i backed myself i backed myself who was that you're telling me dad i'm gonna say it i tried to do it relax then so you tell me i'm like like so back to it all right so basically i can own your image rights or i can pay you a fee but if you bring a lot to the table we might do a business deal where we can take the risks together is that what you've done with eddie yeah we take risks together 50 50. no no wait no way okay i'll use that he's on the outside of this suit he's not he's not he's a dealing player he's a big player but he understands my value i understand and i understand his value it's honestly down to your value your negotiating skills and what eddie wants out of the relationship as well off the back of me joining eddie he might sign another 100 athletes yeah yeah you know so you've negotiated directly with eddie yourself or with your team with the team yeah with the team it's too much stress yeah i i want to actually be a good boxer yeah but we have to be good businessman as well and you're caught in between both worlds but in order to achieve and improve as an athlete you know how difficult it is you know at top level the small details even though you've got focus on the important job in the ring as we all know we're boxing the fight is also outside of the ring the player's taking the knee what's your view on it and that this is just for a change for the better for the betterment of my kid your kids the harmonies created would you take the knee in the ring yeah 100 i would i'll take the knee anyway the other thing in boxing that just fascinated me and the preferred panel it's happened in the wbc have tried it in rounds four and eight is the judges scorecards because the amount of fights that you watch and you're waiting at the end and you're wondering whether the judges are going to be fair and have integrity bias towards one fighter or yeah yeah yeah why don't they just like in every other sport you know the score at certain points talk real talk why don't why is that i mean just seems to me that you're almost like real talk i don't know yeah after round three you just put the scores up because you know what to do then and like you know you know how the scene is you know where you are you know that you know what if either for a fan i'm going to be like he's going to come out hard this weekend but you don't even know who's gonna win until that final and then and there seems to be like a trustworthiness yeah when i'm listening to the commentators on the telly there seems to be like a trust with the judges it's almost like well i'm not sure how he's gonna score it or she or how they score it yeah or why because i feel like naturally the majority of fans know who wins a fight and knows who loses yeah without a scorecard if you were to do a survey probably 80 percent of the people will choose a winner and 20 might but the majority is with the crowd and then sometimes as you say the refs and judges might go with the 20 which i couldn't actually tell you why that's why i believe kids if you want to be a boxer make sure you knock them out it's the best way because you take it out of judge's hands don't you how would you not clean up boxing but what would you change in boxing to make it more transparent less you talk i mentioned the word mafia before mattreum are doing that yeah we're doing it yeah metronome doing a great job of that if i'm honest with you in terms of partnerships okay so i'd have more behind-the-scenes footage of these guys going to the olympics now so i'd introduce more content creation because for young boxers for young boxers because what happens you don't want to get to the world championship fight and then announce yourself to the world you need that journey exposure yeah so i believe like when you join manchester united you join heritage you join the history but when anthony joshua came on the scene i don't have any history so i have to create that in the space of my short career i don't really have to be good at fighting but i have to create a legacy in history so that will help fighters with sponsorships funding for their sport help with the amateur system the promoters would have to invest in the amateurs because they obviously want to sign these guys and then in terms of the fights i would say what you said like var for example like count the punches each round have a system where people are counting and you could know he's landed ten he's landed five so he's winning so you can see who's got a push would you like to know when you're sat there at the in the corner i used to know when i was an amateur yeah because you'd get told you know as an amateur i'll be like you're round down come on because you'll get handed the the the score okay yeah the score card they'll give you it it's your change in in the pros it's not like that but what's the reason behind that i don't know just tradition or i don't know i just got into a win one of the things in football at the moment that's a big debate is around the players taking the knee yeah and the fans are booing up some fans are booing yeah some players actually are saying that they shouldn't take the knee and some players are saying that they should take the knee what's your view on it looking from the outside at football and how it's handling that situation i feel like the players and the teams have done a great job of explaining what the reasons are for taking the knee and as a fan whether you're there for that or not you're there to watch the team win so the importance of supporting your teammates and your players emotionally you're with them through thick and thin that's the whole point of being like i ride for this team that's loyalty the reason that has been explained of them taken in is to bring awareness to an issue that's been going on before phones were recording certain incidents these things are happening certain people are aware some people have learned more recently but as i said it's nice that the explanation was made clear as to why the needs it's not political that it's it's far from yeah even for me it's not a political stance i've had to learn about what's happened and what's been going on more so last year and this year than i ever have to understand that this is just for a change for the better it's not political it's not about defunding anything or finding anything the change wants to be made for the better for the betterment of my kids probably your kids probably the person down the road kids so harmony's created because um division is going to cause war and would you would you take the knee in the ring yeah 100 i would 100 i'll take the knee anyway this little chubby mexican they beat me were you complacent no excuses this is my journey at the end of the day and however i ride this journey is up to me i do it for the team when i win we all win so answer this section of the show is called failure is a bruise not a tattoo okay there's a bit of a story behind it so as a manager you probably may not know this in valencia for four months you got sacked yeah yeah i know i didn't do very well and someone sent me this as i came home so it always stuck with me since i've always used it basically you know basically failing is all right it's temporary you know it's not permanent so if there's a moment in your life where you feel that that statement rings true what would that moment be when it really hit home is when i lost my first professional fight because you build up a sense of resilience in it like when you're winning or you're a winner um you feel like you're indestructible so i used to listen to a lot of motivational speeches where it's like um you know you got to know what it feels like to lose and you've got to be strong and i'll be thinking i'm a winner yeah has no relevance to me but i can kind of take certain things from it and then when you lose something or someone and it's really time to be strong it's important to go through the grieving process and that's like the bruise it's important to understand what that feels like the pain but after a while that pain has to go and you have to kind of pick yourself up again and go when i sat at valencia i felt like i was being ridiculed a little bit you almost feel like everyone's laughing at you almost like you don't want to go out a little bit for a few weeks is that something that you felt when you've lost fights so as an amateur i lost three fights the thing is only your clothes people really know and you know people love you unconditionally that are close to you and the people that support you the only reason they ridicule you is because they look at you as like you're not human yeah and they support you so much that they don't want to see you lose so i understand their frustration but on the flip side when i lost in june 2019 so i was in america at the time and you know this little chubby guy little chubby mexican they say beat me sounds like me i'll definitely give you your opinion so he beat me yeah and i just know if i would have given up when i lost as an amateur i would never be here yeah so if i let the ridicule and the stick and the bit of banter kind of get to me now there'll be no future so you just got to keep on rolling keep on rolling this is my journey at the end of the day and however i ride this journey is up to me the important thing is is someone out there is going to take inspiration from your wins and losses going back to that first fight with ruiz what have you learned most from that what's the bit that comes out of that fight that you said right that's going to change that were you complacent because it happens in football no excuses no no no no no in football you go to an away ground sometimes you're going to beat them and then also you just don't quite you just don't feel the same it's like we've traveled around the world fighting yeah azerbaijan turkey we've been mauritius training camps i've been saudi arabia to fight i've been america to fight it just sometimes happens it's just the way the stars are lying that night and there's obviously reasons to why the stars the star just don't go that way there's a lot of things pulling the forces together and sooner or later it will either go in your favor it won't and that night it didn't but i learned to be [Music] to be independently strong i remember looking in the mirror when i was in valencia in that period and i felt lonely yeah yeah did you ever did you feel lonely no after a fight when you've lost on your either as an amateur as a professional nah no that's not been a feeling that you've had no because it's been it's been a real fun tough yeah rough i paid my dues but it's a fun journey yeah okay let's crack on let's get on with it there's no negatives with this situation like you even managing valencia is like a it's a blessing it's not bad it's not for them it wasn't okay for them for them but then they might learn something from it like for me okay even though i was just yeah look how many mexicans are made happy i granted them the first mexican champion of the world off of my suffering i've made other people happy i've changed his family's life so we can look at it from that perspective and that's what life is about just the way you look at things isn't it do you have coping mechanisms to help you come out do you have coconut mechanisms to come out of like difficult moments or moments of anxiety or moments of yeah what would they be something at the minute is like honestly it sounds stupid but cold shower a lovely warm shower is what we all want yeah morning and night but turn that shower cold and stand there like strong and put yourself in a position that you don't want to be i don't want to be in a cold shower but i'm going to turn it cold because i know i'm mentally strong enough to do it so i just know that's something so simple that when a tough time comes i know i'm mentally strong enough to do certain things in my normal day-to-day so what makes me think i'm not mentally strong enough to go through this you just can't be comfortable you know all your life one day you're to have a batch of grapes and one of them is going to be sour yeah that's just how life is so i put myself in uncomfortable situations in order to approach my mindset and be strong enough that when it happens i'm already built up a callus in my brain that nothing's going to stop me that's interesting i think because you see some fighters they'll lose a fight and they'll be unexpected and then they'll change the promoter they'll change the back room team they'll chase you've not done that have you you've kept the same we keep what we add it's important to add it's important to add to the team and that's what we've added have you got psychologists within your team yeah yeah yeah and only and i'll also look for more psychologists okay i've got coaches we've got even like as a management team i had one manager then we grow now i can contact two managers i can contact three managers so the team is growing for the benefit of the cause it's not about ego it's not about being selfish no i'm the only one who should contact him yeah how can we make it easier for him or how can we make the system easier so yeah i believe like free options were keep the same completely change or add and grow to what we have and i believe the third option was was the best and the most organic opportunity is that one to obviously improve but also loyalty is incredibly important yeah so it's down to your character everyone's different so everything i say today is not the gospel because everyone has their own perspective of life but for me i i think that loyalty for me is important i just think like to my community in watford to my friends in london to my amateur club to being in sheffield and i do it for the team when i win we all win brilliant answer every guest on the overlap gets a little gift and i was like i was told so i was told so i was told that you play chess yes and london and london's your favorite city so we've got your skyline of london no chessboard i'd have to do them for more these interviews [Laughter] here we go unbelievable london either the wheat the eye the gherkin the guy king the shard big ben yeah how good are your chests can you play no cotton no is that the main thing is we played yesterday i slept kind of late yesterday what is that for is that for the concentration i just like you know what it is i think where everything was closed during the pandemic i just played a lot of board games so we play like risk chess monopoly they're quite fun yeah yeah so i don't go out much sometimes you bring the party to you what sort of party did you have i think playing chess what party what's that a party's just part of the process it's part of the frozen got shots lined up brilliant anthony i absolutely love that respect you're a good man thank you so much now i truly appreciate it thank you you

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Length: 43min 40sec (2620 seconds)

Published: Tue Jul 27 2021