Anna Breytenbach - Buddha at the Gas Pump Interview

[Music] welcome to Buddha at the gas pump Buddha at the gas pump is an ongoing series of interviews with spiritually awakening people I've done nearly 500 of them now and if this is new to you and you'd like to check out previous ones please go to bat gap calm dat GAAP and look under the past interviews menu where you'll see all the previous ones archived in various ways you'll also see a few other things such as a link to an audio podcast and email notification of future interviews and things like that this program is made possible by the support of appreciative listeners and viewers so if you appreciate it and feel like supporting it to any degree there's a PayPal button on every page of the site my guest today is someone whom I've been aware of for quite some time and have been wanting to interview and I'm Brighton back welcome Anna thank you good to be here Anna is a South African based professional animal communicator she's gonna explain what that means in a few minutes she's been practicing this art for 18 years in South Africa Europe and the US with both domestic and wild animals she was born and raised in Cape Town South Africa where she is now and she holds a degree in psychology economics and marketing from the University of Cape Town she was trained in tracking and mentoring at the wilderness awareness school in the US and she also mentors children and adults in nature awareness based on the ways of the Native American and Sun Bushmen peoples and as a qualified and experienced master training facilitator focusing on bringing forth participants skills through coaching and mentoring in a practical manner she consults exclusively with wildlife and offers workshops around southern Africa occasionally touring Australia Europe and the US she travels a lot her work includes working with wild dolphins and whales leading animal communication safaris interspecies projects at permaculture and organic farm and giving numerous public talks her pro bono work focuses on conservation projects such as elephant management anti poaching assistance baboon rehabilitation whale and dolphin research and predator conservation she's also the subject of the feature documentary movie the animal communicator on interspecies communication and incidentally I'll link - there have been some lovely documentaries and videos of Ana's work posted on YouTube and I'll link to several of those on her page on bat gab calm I highly recommend that you watch those since she may not be communicating with any animals during this interview other than me but it's beautiful to watch her do her her work so some of you may be wondering now is this brutal at the gas pump what does this have to do with spiritual awakening the usual types of themes that you discuss on this show and I think Anna can give us a very good answer to that so maybe it in in one go let me ask you two questions what is animal communication and what is its spiritual significance why should people who were interested in enlightened and awakening and all that stuff be interested in animal communication well animal or interspecies communication really is the term that's come to be used to describe the energetic transference of direct knowing and of shared experience and usually the setup is that that happens between two beings who are focused on each other and connecting in a state of empathy to be able to understand and really deeply understand each other another way to describe it using more technical language would be telepathic communication which has been well described and in fact researched between humans since the 1880s in both the UK and the US and in more recent decades the scientist Rupert Sheldrake proved telepathy between animals and humans specifically people and their dogs and his experiments and his books about it and the various things available online to watch as well are to do with that the title of his study was dogs you know when their owners coming home Rupert was on the show a couple months ago we've talked about that a little bit brilliant brilliant so with all of that empirical experiment design it's been proved beyond a statistical probability or guesswork alone that of course telepathy does happen between different beings so that's what interspecies communication is it's a deliberate and a focused literally a communication and it is two-way I must I must emphasize some people think this is a form of psychometry or doing a psychic greeting or channeling and I'm certainly not a medium in that way at all it really is live clear and present two-way communication between myself and the animal in question not that it's limited to just animals and as much as I might be feeling a question or conveying a question or desired behavior to the animals so - they can ask us questions also so perhaps later we can discuss more about the seeming mechanics of it but answer the second part of your question about what the earthís has to do with awakening I've found that the animals and the natural world at large to have been my greatest spiritual teaching and this is even in the context of sitting for over ten years with the Sangha and all sorts of other forays in the in the spiritual realm oddly speaking and if if what can be regarded as spiritual qualities across any discipline include started being like presence and awareness and absolute acceptance of what is then the non-human animals have got that as the sentient beings that they are which can be defined as self-aware which they are they have these qualities readily available to them in their shining in the present authenticity and this is why it has a lot to do with awakening to self or at least a clearing out of ego stuff and things that are nothing to do is the present moment or the collective good for that man and so we nonhumans when we connect with the sorry we humans when we connect with the nonhumans we pick up on almost a feeling of that limbic resonance we we get to bathe in their states of being and that can't better affect us it certainly does affect us in all sorts of positive ways and another way a reason that this has a lot to do with the wakening is it really is about us from remembering our native states this is about us humans remembering our original wiring how our brains and how the intelligence of our heart more importantly were once in our conscious awareness deeply wired to the collective to all the beings in our immediate environment the very particles with soil under our feet the spider and her web the leaf on every tree they root under the ground or the deer species in the distance and as we again remember through communications through connection as we again remember we literally again become members of Greater collectors and we learn more and more about those unified states of shared awareness and we experience ourselves less and less there separate from the web of life excuse me I had to cough I remember hearing a story it might have been a Sufi story about some someone who got enlightened or awakened by sitting and watching a cat watching a mouse hole you know and just sort of tuning into the sort of presence and alertness of the cat and he kind of been trained with it you know and it triggered his awakening absolutely it is that that presence and awareness infinite and then on humans just sharp as probably themselves here to each and every moment most of us get to experience that briefly through living with pets perhaps just think of any dog was the wagging tail and the aliveness in the moment and most of us get to experience it through animals we get reminded of our own name and non-separation yes is it and I want to remind those who are watching live that if you have a question for Anna you can post it on the forum on the upcoming interviews page on Bath Capcom down at the bottom of that page there's a forum through which you can post a question what Sanga have you been sitting it with for ten years that's what sort of attracted Vedanta under whose auspices or tutelage or whatever oh there's a nun teacher here in South Africa who was with Ramana Maharshi in the old days yeah yeah and that is your the path of non-duality which I discovered about 10 years after I've been doing interspecies communication and it really really resonated with me because this this work and this passion and this joy that that is what I what I'm up to in this lifetime it's been an ongoing and remains an ongoing inner work I have to do the inner tracking to keep on watching where my belief systems are getting in the way of the truth of the other where my very paradigms are getting in the way you know this form of communication is nothing at all to do with knowledge about a certain species which could lend us to project on to any individual member of their species some beliefs or generalizations and that's not appropriate at all we're dealing with a sentient being after sentient being after sentient being when we're dealing with with individuals and so it's it proves me to constantly be looking at Who I am in that equation because if I'm to know the the truth and the real thoughts feelings what's moving for that other I need to be a clean slate and as neutral as possible on the inside and this is why this form of interspecies connection is not really about learning any Zante technique or you know having a magic wand waived or having one's 27th strand of DNA activated there's nothing unnatural like that it really is about clearing out clearing out the baggage and continue clearing out well if we were all to reach that state we wouldn't even be having the call none of us so it's not about having achieved that but it is about the in their wins again the inner tracking so that I can notice when even my desire for a wished for answer from the animal is getting in the way of me perhaps clearly hearing their answer imagine if I'm saying to one of my cats do you want to move fast with me and come live in the new location yeah I would love that answer for them to be a yes I would love that I am personally vested in that outcome and this actually happened a few months ago one of my cats said nope not at all he wanted to stay where we had been living on the forest edge and for me to hear that no I had to get beyond my own in there yes and my emotional investment in that and it wasn't that I didn't have my wishes there's an attached human being it was that I could sit still enough long enough to subtly pick up on his feeling of no and existing through the filter of mine yes that was in the field for me one of the things I found most fascinating about the videos I watched on YouTube of you doing your work is the expression on your face while you're doing it you just settled into this really innocent clear settled state which is really evident on your face and and then the communication takes place that was as fascinating as whatever content you were coming up with in the communication what and I mentioned that because of what you just said that you have to be totally clear and centered and balanced and without any kind of static in order to do this mm-hmm indeed actually my grandmother commented on that the first time she saw it she phoned me from the semi-arid Piatt desert she was living like your face looks so different you look like an angel in church I'm completely unaware of it because I'm not trying to you know be anything or be in an elevated state it's just about dropping and dropping but I do get that feedback when I have people around me and in nature or in front of an animal and connect it and get that feedback afterwards but during the time as a communication I am largely unaware of self like really I don't know you know the persona drops away and my ego based identity takes a little bit of the background and the inner narration and the dialogue you know the internal critic that's going is just that growl noise I don't bother trying to push that away because as Carl Jung likely said what we resist persists so I don't bother to give my attention and my focus to those thoughts that I'm finding unhelpful instead I just stay with the moment and stay with the moment and the best way I know how to do that from my animal communication room tools is mindful breathing just simply watching their natural breathing rhythm seeing as the mind insist on being busy but something may as well just tell her to run along i watch the breathing which presumably i'm doing anyway mm-hmm it also looks like when you're doing the animal communication you're not even looking at the animal you're you're kind of your eyes are downcast you seem very inward mm-hmm indeed I am very inward and being with that very fine fine tuned in they're listening and I don't mean clairaudient necessarily a very fine inner awareness also I often have my eyes closed or down too and so that my busy mind is not distracted by my physical surroundings and any movement or things that may be happening for this monkey mind to attach to and start to wonder about and another reason to not hold direct eye contact with the animal is that from that animals cultural perspective and was in their species being stared at by human might must be such a grand thing it may not put them at ease in fact quite the opposite yeah it's so with the exception of kind of stare at a cat which they really don't care about no one can win a staring competition with a cat but otherwise looking VP into an animal's eyes can just kind of freak them out and its really us humans who have this thing about eye contact meaning deep and intimate connection it's not at all necessary and can actually be counterproductive in the communication I'll make an animal feel like they're going to be on the back foot which may make them less open to relaxing into a free flow of communication as well and I gather you don't even have to be in the presence of the animal I heard some accounts of you communicating with whales and sharks that were not in your immediate vicinity so it's sort of a long-distance tournament it is as telepathy has been proved to be is long distance it works as easily remotely as if the animals right in front of me there's no loss of signal or weakening a signal for distance or mountain ranges or big city buildings being in the way and again for the sake of my very busy mind I sometimes found it easier to be clear when I'm connecting remotely because I don't have things like the animals facial expression or body language to lead me down the path of some interpretations and my cognitive interpretation of the dog with its mouth open and tongue hanging out would look like happy dog face and perhaps that dog really is happy to be connecting with me in that moment but perhaps what I'm inquiring about is some deeply traumatic part over their past and they're conveying to me the abuse that they suffered as a puppy and my greater awareness is going to be less available for the details of the sadness when my mind is busy processing their happy face in that moment so remote can often be easier because we don't have that other interference for our thinking brains to be having a party with yeah are you aware that in the Yoga Sutras Patanjali talks about one of the cities or or attainments as being the ability to understand the language of animals yes and and I've made a couple of spiritual teachers on my path one of whom is Laci temple system.the you and I were just mentioning recently and in the 1980s she was gifted with one of these cities as well and would so dearly have loved to have made that her focus but she was guided that her work is with the humans and we found each other about 1215 years ago and we created some sacred activism initiatives together now both of us tuning in to another layer of communication that's possible which is into the collective consciousness so far we've been talking about individual communications as if it's a walkie-talkie settled to a radio or Tim can to the air in a hung string between the two and that's just the it's a metaphor of a mechanical process it isn't actually mechanical at all it's about us as a receptive being really being open and being coherent so that we can aware anything really and particularly that we can aware the aspects of creation where the light of our attention is calling a little bit like a lighthouse beam so which whatever we choose to focus on is where we threw this vessel of the human brain and being would get a more clear kind of reception on signal to put it that way but we can connect also with any layer of existence and we can connect with the collective consciousness of a certain species which is what Leslie and I did with elephants along a couple of other people at that time and when we deeply tuned into the collective consciousness of elephants and asked how we could help at this time of their extreme dire need and you know their possible imminent extinction we'd imagined we might be given advice by have that collective consciousness about some practical things we could do or petitions or projects or very specific location based assistance but instead the energy and the message we got from the collective consciousness was that it's almost really too late to do anything practical and what they really wanted people who cared to me around the world to do is to hold them to hold solidarity with them and to hold them in compassion and to visualize them roaming free and having space and being the fullest versions of the most logical selves bringing that positive energy and holding them in the line holding them in that way instead of working against the the terribly unpleasant things are happening to them around the planet so we can connect into that at that collective level as well or there's many ways to slice and dice the idea of a collective consciousness I was just last weekend facilitating some things at Africa's largest reforestation initiative a festival with workshops and planting thousands of trees in an area that was otherwise just really less visible and really struggling and there the collective consciousness that the team connected was was the the planting site of the forest which of course comprises many different species and that forests and the planting sites to have a very specific collective personality that strange thing the three just talk about that a little bit more um firstly I want to mention that Leslie temple Thurston whom we mentioned has been on that gap you can find her in the past interviews menu and also Andrew Harvey does stuff in South Africa with lions and all your probably connected with him are you yes yeah yeah I'm a big fan of his sacred activism work and wisdoms and we've had a few conversations about again the the work on itself that's required for us to be truly helpful and truly clear it really does come down to our own spiritual work not even for the sake of other but by just doing that work on ourselves we are automatically being that we are literally vibrate in that into the world and we have to be careful that we're not doing it to be the hero to be the rescuer for the sake of spiritual ego yeah it's not about us but this this notion of collective consciousness I think is very interesting and I think it's something that spiritually inclined people would want to understand more clearly and proud and probably most of them do but what you're saying I believe I'll let you say what you're saying but just to get you started that you know there are all sorts of different arrangements of collective consciousness Rupert Sheldrake was talking about it and his interview in terms of more full genetic fields and even a different different species would each have their own field that as well as geographic locations would have fields like a city or a nation or the whole world has has a collective consciousness and these can be influenced reciprocally by us you know we can have an influence on them and the ambient field has an influence on us so I want you to elaborate on that a little bit yes another another very eloquent scholar who speaks about this and that's about it is gregg braden right and yeah so he's looked at the quantum physics and the very ancient principles and practices in a number of the eastern wisdom traditions and of course this this influence on the collector and the influence of the collective on us is is ethically provable in fact there's a formula for it even so in all those experiments there's large group meditations in the mid-1970s outside Chicago and other cities were fantastic so literally take square root of 1% of the population to cause a real 3d result in the experience of the rest of the population and that's all just numbers and you know either interesting or not but what it is is that let's think of it this way even ourselves as a seemingly individual human we have several roles that we play in our life where a child where perhaps rear sibling we're a niece were a nephew maybe we're parent we're a colleague we're a student we're a teacher we're a friend and these are several roles that we have embraced within our sort of biological units you know our skin bags going around acting out these different these different roles and is different these different expressions of our truth you know it's not a mask that we're putting on it's just a role that we genuinely arise to in the constellation of things constellation of our lines and we are part of the constellation of the biome whether that's on the real micro level close to home we are related to that spider in the garden who knows us and recognizes our energy field we are related to their bird who migrates and comes to visit once a year we are related to the clouds that go by we are in a constellation and even as we play out our different roles so we too could be said to be part of different collectives we're part of our family collective we're part of our workspace connected and it's not like a pie that only has a finite number of slices that are possible this whole way of looking at it is really simply the human minds attempt to try to grapple with the enormity of life itself and we forget that we're not separate we forget that we are holographically a representation of that life not as a symbolic act but as a very real energetic fact we are vibrating with that same pulse that is vibrating through everything and as we can bring some self-regulation perhaps to how we are vibrating so to those ripples are going to go out in concentric circles from the pebble of us that is dropped into the pond of life and those concentric rings will go out into infinity vibrating through and affecting everything that they touch and any other perceptive being in the universe is able to perceive and know who we be so as humans are able to again connect with those ways of knowing ourselves as we walk into a field where some horses are grazing we are literally giving off the electromagnetic signals of various of our roles we might be thinking about our work week we might be walking with a family member and we might be feeling something happening with our body because it's a bit sore we haven't been outdoors lately and all of these things are being radiated from us and all those horses in the field are getting us loud and clear they are knowing all aspects of us haven't you noticed it's impossible to fake it with an animal we can't pretend to for example be not afraid of them if we really are we can't pretend to be being kind if we actually have ulterior motives when the dog gets to us and we're going to give them a spanking so who we are being is being broadcast and it's for us humans to be able to receive a broadcast of all of life around us again and when we so choose so there's many different ways to we can group the idea of a collective in whichever way in which every constellation we choose to because it is our ideas life is just simply being itself with no hierarchical and no value difference between the smallest and the biggest between the seen and the unseen okay your last comment triggers a question that had been in the back of my mind various spiritual teachers and traditions kind of offer a hierarchical arrangement of levels of evolution which kind of parallels even biological evolution as it's understood in other words they would say that a rock is a fairly primitive soul if it has a soul and that a microbe is more evolved than an ant is more evolved and a turtle is more evolved and a monkey and so on and then and this is kind of paralleled by development of the brain and the nervous system a human brain and nervous system is much more sophisticated than that of a turtle or even a horse or even a monkey so um would it would it stand to reason that the subjective experience of all these beings is similarly arranged and that you know it's much more simplistic and primitive in a sense and in a so-called lower species than than it is in the more evolved ones and I don't wanna make this question too long but when you're communicating with let's say uh I don't know any kind of animal a dog or a cat or a turtle or whatever kind of animals you communicate with it's it's not like you're communicating with a human mind which behaves and functions the way a human mind does aren't you communicating with something sort of much more rudimentary in a sense and goodness I'm not communicating with the mind and those other nonhumans that would just be and absolutely nothing will rudimentary know that years connecting with the non mind connecting with the essence and I'll speak more about that in a bit but when we are connecting with any other being we're connecting with their essence completely unrelated to brain size or function and biologists like to measure intelligence by sort of brain size to body ratios and we sorts of things that are completely Maria Brooke cortex and all that yeah absolutely and if intelligence we're based on grain size we'd be in a spot of bother because there was a little species that have brains larger than theirs and you know neuroscience it's still barely understand how our own brain functions actually as humans and they still don't know how the melon shaped organ deep in the dolphins and whales brain functions how that serves them through a collocation like we can't figure it out and so yes there might be a there might be a hierarchy in one measurement system looking at brain function but that's got nothing at all to do with intelligence or with sentience or with subjective experience to come back to come back to the first part of your question so subjective experience has got nothing to do with brain function or even the presence of a brain there's as much experience available to iraq has been in place for eons as there is available to a tree who's been standing perhaps a few decades or if they're lacking a little bit longer and we need as there is to a passing ant or butterfly who is going to live for just a few weeks subjective objective experience is just that it's subjective through the filter of that beings range of experience that's possible and I do mean their sensory experience as well so there may be some limitations or some additions compared to us humans for example insects like beings can see in the ultraviolet range of the spectrum as an ordinary sighted phenomenon and we can't so there be subjective experiences or much more expanded on the visual front and then as humans nonetheless we are connecting with the essence of that being and intelligence is not something that can be measured and intelligence is not relative intelligence is a simple expression and a knowing of perhaps a version of self or at least the expression of this thing that comes through itself and at the same time one's connectedness to the whole let's go back to bees I've communicated nuts with individual bees in fact where I had lived a particular B was a certain little kink in his left wing left front wing comes in to ask me for when they're really really hungry and there's been drought here for a few years and they are flowering plants for them and a certain B appears to have drawn the short straw and being the one has to go in and call the human are to come and fill up the near the bee feeder so that bee is very clearly individually individuated firstly and individually able to make a beeline for the kitchen or ever I'm in the house and come find it but at the same time this bee is very present of the B collective consciousness and bees could be fifty thousand or more bees in any hinds those individuals are very aware that what they're doing through their roles in their community is for the greater good of the hive and so if we were to warn one individual being that they're going to be killed or you know God forbid sprayed with the insect repellent if they stay inside the house that bee is probably not pretty not going to care too much about that they don't have a selfish desire to stay alive as long as possible because what they're doing with their life that day and in that moment is doing what they're doing for the collective good and they are on purpose so let's let's ask again ourselves the question of intelligence imagine if we humans we're doing what we are doing as individual units growing around our days for the greater good for the collective good and even humankind that might be deemed quite a high state of intelligence and I see that much more in the insects than I do in humans nowadays one last thing to say about this is that when we are connecting with the essence of the other it's actually our essence that's connecting with them as well so I happen to have to use my brain to get focused and all those sorts of things and watch my breathing and become calm and essentially try to do human miles myself in that moment so that my human this can fall away and not interrupt things and not interrupt my ability to be with the other and be with the moment so my essence that's that's mysterious unnameable and perhaps indescribable aspect of self is what is really doing the connecting and the communication and it is my essence that is receiving the the experience of the other and receiving that knowing but I don't know about it consciously until my unconscious intuitive data that I received has run against my mental database of stored life experiences and Cavaliere words and sensory stimuli that I have stored in my brain and when that incoming intuitive data finds a match in my brain then a little flag goes up and a word pops into my heads or a smell or mental image and that's when I know that I've received data for the first time but I've already received it at my essence level before that time I think you and I would agree that we we all have the same essence and their verses and various scriptures like Nikita says that the yogi sees all beings in the self and the self and all beings and essentially the idea is that there's only one self ultimately not one essence ultimately and that we're all just sort of manifestations of that or we reflect that and to differing degrees and in different ways right oh yeah in Paige so far yes we are okay so but let's take humans for example I mean there's a difference between someone with an IQ of 80 and Albert Einstein in terms of their abilities in terms of their understanding and there's a difference between someone who is illiterate and William Shakespeare there's a vast range of capabilities or expression even though all of those types of people all those people and many others we could mention all have the same self capitalist same ultimate essence obviously it reflects or expresses very differently through different vehicles yes it does and there's no difference in the value of those different expressions yeah we don't I mean obviously they have different impacts on society but everything has its place all as well and wise they put things everyone has their Dharma everything exists for a reason so we so we wouldn't be saying here that animals are less valuable than people although I mean you know is the life of a thousand mosquitoes less valuable than the life of one person who gets malaria no what's the problem with us getting malaria I've had it I'm sure you didn't enjoy it and it kills a lot of people every year that and we try to you prevent that from happening by killing mosquitoes or keeping your using mosquito nets anyway if you see humans have so far lost our way that we have a problem with physical death as well now we've become very attached to the staying alive as long as possible as if critical death isn't end to everything and why should we lengthen our number of days on this planet at the expense of the number of days there's another being is busy living just because we come in and and interrupt things so yeah you know I've got liters of blood last time I checked and I can sure spare you a few drops for mosquitoes it's only female mosquitoes good bite and it's not food for them they need the blood to complete the reproductive cycle of their eggs hatching and it's not the mosquitos fault or responsibility is it just doing this thing if they're doing their thing and if they happen to be infected with the malaria parasite which is again a parasite infecting them it's not intrinsic to their own physiology well that's just you know potentially bad luck for me so in this great mystery and the continual recycling of energy moment we humans are born we starting to decay and become recycled and one day we'll be pushing up well isn't this interesting to you know the phrase certainly and more English orientated world where I grew up the phrase is pushing up the daisies and we use that as a nice colloquial term and perhaps you know we fancy ourselves as artists appreciating lovely pictures of daisies because also just using become much we're feeding the earthworm's some people go or don't a few beers friends you know we have ideas about about things so there's no less value in an individual mosquito compared to an individual human laughs at all there's no there's no value difference you know that whole thing of before enlightenment scrub toilets after enlightenment scrub toilets whoo whoo we're just yeah we are we are here to simply be and if we are really in a state of presence that is having us be we wouldn't think and here's the key word as well think we wouldn't think of doing we wouldn't think of doing we would naturally arise into a state of being and whatever is possible for both beings to navigate within those moments would would arise sometimes these things that are inconvenient for us or unpleasant or may lead to disease are things we can simply take preventative measures around and we modern humans have got so disconnected from nature that we find it inconvenient or too troublesome to where you're a natural mosquito repellants for example to find out about which herbs we could rub on a skin or essential oils we seem to somewhere along the line in our disconnection our nests have come to believe that we are more highly ordained and supposed to being kind of rulers of the planets or at least with a greater right to life and somewhere along the line we began to see all the other beings vegetable plants mineral and animal as resources for ourselves and instead of as equal brothers and sisters in this web of life just from different nations I don't mean to sound persnickety but like for instance before we started you mentioned after being a vegan for many many years you you know eat some meat we can explain a little bit you can talk about that a little bit yeah but um so do you know so certain animals have to die in order for you and others to have that kind of food if we're all exactly equal would you be cool with like you know feeding people to animals in order to make sure that they're eating properly this sounds like a weird question but I'm just trying to get to the heart of this this issue yeah and in my perhaps biased opinion I do I do see a sort of a hierarchy of values and you know I like a lot of the worst plagues and diseases that have afflicted mankind have been solved by sacrificing in many cases microscopic forms of life but sacrificing other sorts of life so that our life may may thrive and why should our life's rise you see perhaps those plagues and scrooge's that have come along and affected humankind is part of the wisdom of nature figuring herself out and perhaps even redressing an imbalance when human population or impact in a certain environment has got way out of balance and is significantly detrimental to the collective good these scourges these plagues these these times of famine are all part of a rebalancing act in the greater good and it's not only some animals that physically stopped living their biological lives so that we humans may eat myself included it's also plants you see in my experience through direct interspecies communication I have I've come to learn really through direct experience if there's no difference in consciousness between a member of a plant species or in animal species and this is where I reached a kind of a crisis of conscience we have a happy and vegetarian first and then vegan for a number of years and then I was taking my advanced training and interspecies communication and began having conscious conversations with my lettuce leaves and mine Tomatoes know what I need to do now and I'm soaking me know we're you know seeking or attained that resembles a level of awakening that allows me to be preparing and I'm amazed at those people who can but I'm definitely not there and so yeah as we're walking every day we squishing insect under our feet as we are favoring plant foods we are ignoring the sentience and the beautiful wisdom and intelligence of those of those plant species and I've had some chats with some plants have grown in the agricultural fields that are covering the planet and deforesting very lungs of ours and those plants are having a dastardly very unpleasant time in their experience of existence test the science and natural growing environments been growing straight growers that are so unkind to them and their families they don't have a sense of community they're taking the brunt and the the full-frontal force of the elements coming up and when they're grown in unnatural configurations so the world is very full of pretty unhappy plants as well as animals and I would certainly never supports agriculture as it stands in the commercial sense and personally I never support factory farming either because of the quality of life of the plants and the animals while they are embodied and in the great recycling that this is all plants all animals including ourselves to just feed back into the system yeah I propose this point one time I was in a lecture with marshy Mahesh Yogi and he said if you have to eat somebody eat lesser evolved life so he kind of bought into that it's a Hindu paradigm of there being levels of evolution of species but I guess maybe his implication was that nature has less invested in a lettuce leaf than it does in a cow or something yes yes and there there are different paradigms - again different belief systems that have hierarchical structures and that just hasn't been my experience in connecting with and connecting with plants as well and interspecies communication is quite literally that it's happening out there the whole time between different species it's not just us you know kind of high-minded human who comes along and gets to connect with another interspecies communication is alive and well out there I remember once noticing a bunch of bees around a single solitary sunflower that was in the edge of the field and unknowingly at the time and I was projecting and the question I asked the sunflower and I connected with the sunflowers I can't don't the bees bothering you because to my mind if I had imagined myself that many bees incoming you know clearly I was feeling a bit like that would bother me and I had inadvertently created that projection even in the asking of my question he probably looked a bit away probably left I did love it the answer came back from the sunflower and so hard to put words these things but the energy of it that my brain could best give words to was that the bees kiss me with their awareness hmm and what a beautiful dance of mutual being they are in their net moments they're probably pollinating the sunflower yeah taking its pollen elsewhere or something exactly again the grains are good yeah a couple of questions have come in I want to ask those and then I have a lot of other things that I want to talk to you about but so we'll jump around a little bit topic wise here while I interject a couple of questions one is from Irene here she says I've always felt a very strong connection to animals some people did not seem to have much or any connection I in turn to not resonate with those people in general any clue as to why some people just do not have a connection or feeling for animals I don't really know why you know I have animals and nature is one way which we can open ourselves to to the collective and also to our own animal bodies to become more embodied in our own practices matter and awareness but I don't know why some are or some aren't there are many different spiritual traditions there are many different ways for a human to become more conscious so I don't have an answer for that sorry mmm-hmm maybe it's a faculty that some people haven't developed or well like some people have a really good ear for music and we all have ears we can hear but some people just tuned in they enliven that ability and here's one from Nike or NIC home from heartbeat sport South Africa he wants to know I wanted to know if perhaps you have any experience with regards to sacrificial animals here in South Africa in the ancient sangoma traditional healer tradition it is stated that the animal divined for sacrifice has given its consent this is done by appearing in the apprentices dreams or being chosen in other ways it is very similar the old ways of Native Americans where a special bond existed between them and the animals whose lives they took mmm yes in these shamanic cultures here if some if a person is going to be cold get the calling sickness or just be cool to dismiss or become a sand Gorman and shaman they will receive in their dreams an animal more than once and the animal will have certain physical features that are identifiable and it's the person's job to then go and find their particular animal to comb the countryside and these are long distance travels very often so and they will know when they find that one not only by how it looks but also because of the resonance with that one and some some small backyard farmers or people who keep their own livestock have this very similar experience when they when they are looking to actually have to eat some animal flesh so they might be growing some vegetables and raising some animals and they were derekjjensen by the way describes this very well in his book which title I can't remember right now but I'll think of it so who Derek Jones lives a fantastic environmental activist and and a very eloquent writer on behalf of the earth and he speaks about having had this major epiphany where he would walk out into the yard and essentially ask a duck or chicken who might be ready if it was right time for all concerned to volunteer itself for the chopping block and if it was the right time invariably one duck or one chicken would come forward and follow him into the barn and please be lying down no restraining needed and look him in the eye as he brought down the chopping knife so this kind of conscious relating and this conscious giving of life is something that is well known to the indigenous people it's something that's absolutely available to to all of us and if only we could be that conscious with our our eating of our plant and animal beings and fellows that would be just absolutely fantastic I looked up I looked him up just now and there's one book the myth of human supremacy is that the one you were thinking of the language a language older than that's one a language older than words yes yes the language older than words is his rather skeptical and reluctant discovery of interspecies communication and getting direct impulses from even the forests and the ecosystems that he was fighting for and he began to realize that in his fighting for earth rights he was actually being violent and that whole sort of angry activist thing which as Andrew Hardy explains this treaty isn't going to work in outcome and nor along the way as a person is either just sort of infusing a lot of anger into the environment and while being the topic of such things may also recommend a David Abram a Braa and who has written beautiful beautiful books the spell of a sensuous and becoming animal and he is really deeply in touch with the relational space that is available all around us even with seeming inanimate things like the walls of our own home he said some interesting encounters with with traditional shamans from around the world with mosquitoes and with these own hearts that he lived in so all of life around us is very aware and in this constant dynamic relating with us we just are so distracted most of the time we don't notice yeah I mean people who were into advisor and all would say oh yes it's it's all one you know non-duality and so you look at the wall and you see yourself and so on but i guess we're taking this a step further and saying that not only and it's sort of ultimate nature is the one is the wall ourself but in in some little bit more manifest forms there is a certain sentience to everything mmm yes yeah yeah there absolutely is and that rises and falls like the waves of the tides itself in terms of the dynamic interchange interchange rises and forms and the simple act of noticing something that you're walking past is an energetic connection it's laying down a gossamer thin thread of connection between the two of you noticing something is is a version of acknowledgment your awareness has gone there and if we just add a little more of an intentional greeting from our heart space or just an inner bow something along those lines it's amazing how how nature responds to us and relaxes in our presence quantum mechanics would probably have something to say about that in terms of the attention influencing the observed and if you think about it I mean Iraq a wall these apparently inanimate insentient things if you look at the microscopically there's this amazing dance of intelligence going on yeah just that that we don't even fully understand but this Marvel of forces or laws of nature doing their thing maintaining the structure of the thing and tremendous dynamism in something that it appears inert and non dynamic there really really is and and this is also at the root of the whole debate around intelligence and and my view that there is no difference or no hierarchy is that any expression of anything that appears to be form is of course not really solid it's you know just how densely packed together are the the energy particles for want of a better term but any expression of anything anything any and all elephants in the Cougar or math or any human or cats it's just a temporary holding pattern of molecules and so we are all intrinsically made of the same stuff we really are which is not stuff so of course is going to be a common language and the commonality and and a beautiful coherence as possible we're just differently arranged holding patterns that's all yeah brother Sun sister moon so let's shift gears a bit how did you free you have training and what was it kind of mundane stuff and then you shifted years and you got into tracking and then disability dawn time tell us a little bit about how you made that transition slowly and painfully [Laughter] suburban upbringing so just to be clear as well you know I didn't run around the plains of Africa riding lions or you know never went camping went on safari or anything at all very ordinary suburban upbringing into university business degree straight into the corporate job to pay off the student loan but all the way long I've been fascinated by animals and wished my family could have afforded to send me to vet school that they couldn't and it's just as well because that's very scientific and narrow approach might not have allowed for these more wide you know sort of things to come about so at school even I would during high school I would make any projects I could about big cat species and I volunteered at a vet and did things like this but really only when I was living and working in Silicon Valley at the end of the 90s did I finally realized something had to give I was burning the candle at both ends and the middle of 14 hour work days and then volunteering on weekends with cheetah conservation was a wolf sanctuary when I looked outside Seattle and I'm very pleased that I chose to do my tracking training in the US because I grew up in South African looking now outside of Seattle looking at the dried mud or perfect wet sand and the most beautiful footprints I didn't have a clue what animals might have left those those footprints because I didn't know my North American species and that was such a blessing because my normally very active mind couldn't figure it out and couldn't try to analyze the data most fortunately I was under the guidance of the wilderness awareness school he was very passionate about helping people see through native eyes as they were pretty and they bring about the cultural mentoring and the nature awareness routines that has been common to original peoples all around the globe South Pacific Islanders the San Bushmen here in Africa aboriginals first Americans and so when I couldn't figure it out they didn't just tell me the answer or give me a book to study they would say things like close your eyes and see what happens hold your hand over the track and see what happens which I did and I began to get sudden spontaneous mental images or flashes of the Coyotes face and then ask what is this animal and has a face like a jackal bigger than a fox and they say oh yeah well done that is coyotes tracks like what's a coyote so I had that empirical proof again and again when I wasn't looking for it and I realized either I was completely losing my mind or hallucinating but when it began to happen so often where that couldn't counted by Lucky guesses anymore I researched this field and discovered telepathic interspecies communication and I used my vacation days from my corporate job to study with the SEC international animal Institute and the most beautiful mentor dr. Jerry Ryan who herself is a psychologist also and she and her Institute combines the Buddhist teachings and compassion and respect for all life with the new physics as it was at the time and also was the fundamentals that some francis of assisi was all about really took this multidisciplinary approach to exploring what is this phenomena but still it took me three years between knowing I really wanted to and in fact just had to get out of court and actually doing all the fear about changing fields completely particularly when I was qualified for a certain track that I was done and eventually eventually the call of the wild just got so strong that I had to I just had to answer and I was on a work-based visa in the US so was leaving my corporate job and my IT career I left the US as well and came back to South Africa in 2002 I have the animals to thank for this really it was those times sitting with the captive cheetahs I was working with it was those times spent on the sand bank on Saturday morning on the side of a river mulling over tracks it was those times sleeping under the stars and in presence of the beautiful soundscape it was those that deeply informed my subconscious and unconscious and those moved me more than their very stimulating mental days at work but what really moved me was this call back to nature and little did I know at the time it could help me come back to my own nature which is true for all of us our own innate nature as human animals as deeply connected beings and as intuitive things but some have you tell a couple of stories I'm gonna strongly recommend that people watching this watched some of your YouTube videos and I will link to them as I said in the beginning but there are two that jumped out at me and you can either talk about these or talk about other ones that you'd rather talk about what one was this story of the diablo the the jaguar who was renamed spirit and the other was the story of Coco the parrot if you like telling those just so people have a more vivid sense of what actually takes place during animal communication and what its utility is hmm the keepers at an animal park kind of black leopard who had come from a European zoo and he'd recently moved to be in their custody and was snarling and angry and one night when they were checking on him he'd actually propelled himself through two layers of electric fence that were switched on just punched a hole in the fences flattened the six-foot keep her in bit through who's on which put the filler and I see you for a while very clearly the leopard could have killed him if you'd wanted to but she went back through the open pins and they were wondering what to do with this animal they were caring and kind at that facility and they would take tours around no petting on their engagement with the animal at all that even from a distance he was obviously just very unhappy and wouldn't come out of his night shelter at all which is a small concrete room the size of a typical small bathroom really so he was obviously very unhappy and they didn't understand what what was going on so I went by and connected with this leopard in the tours that they were doing at that facility they'd been speaking about how aggressive he was and the name he had come with come with was Diablo and of course all of the associations with that meaning definition satanic and so on wild and when I connected with him he said that he was really really really tired of being held in that paradigm he was not just with all the associations with his name and those been projected onto him and he was just living up to this expectation there was a chicken and egg situation of this vicious cycle and she really wanted to be identified not with that and not with his story of having had an abusive past in the zoo and being wild and aggressive and angry he wanted to be acknowledged for his essence and for the actually rather large spirit that he has this extensive spirit was off the story now when he had communicated all that to you what was your subjective experience of receiving that information I presume it wasn't English words coming in your head how did you actually know that he wanted or was trying to say all that well I simply imagined the words in my own mind in English as to what is bothering you and so how I received the information back was in this unconscious intuitive before my mind's aware of its you know state just as a feeling and then yes I think it's some words in my mind I got words that he wasn't sending he's not sending English words but that internal translation I spoke about earlier is what happens to it it flashes visual images even sometimes yes in this case I remember the moment where I got a feeling of his expensive selfies real essence I felt myself as him because when we in communication and connection with another we are borrowing their experience and what they're speaking about and so I felt myself expand or just be this calm expensive spirit spreading out across the land and the area there and at the same time the words in my mind is translating his his upset being identified with the other with the angry so the words are came to my mind where I'm not angry and not aggressive and they weren't in some booming voice in that year they were just simply soundless words in my awareness as my brains way to interpret the incoming intuitive information so at the same moment I felt what he is and the commentary on what he isn't and then he also said he was very worried about two leopard cubs - ordinarily colored leopard cubs who he had been with before and they were youngsters news worried for their well-being because and the reason he was and they asked me do I know what's happened to them now you might ask why would he ask me when all the other species are connected all the time - everywhere so what he had been perceiving remotely across distance was their distress their immense distress and he wanted to know what kind of human environment or zoo environment they were in because he could sense their distress and I didn't know the keepers didn't know anything about in heaven being as Cubs before it took a couple of weeks for the keepers to follow the trail to follow the paper trail and find out that the Cubs who had been in the dirt alongside him had gone to is a nice one I thought just occurred to me I'm out there's more to this story but um do Panthers and other such animals use a form of telepathy to hunt like they telepathically know there's there's a deer a mile away and if I go in this direction I will find it or do they just use sense of smell and all that they predominantly use their physical senses but there also be picking up telepathically intuitively on the quantum signature the signature frequency of a deer yeah a deer moving through and the prey animal will also be picking up telepathically on the fact that it's being stalked and being hunted so let's take a group of deer standing in a meadow they might suddenly all lift their heads and that's because there is a large Catholics a mountain line in the grass that they can't see nor smell because you'll see what the deer are doing is immediately testing all directions with their senses sniffing of the breeze this way and that moving their ears around swiveling their heads to look in all directions if they had had any sensory proof of that predator they'd all be looking or smelling in the same direction but they're not they're looking around and scanning for five sensory information about the location of the threat and the intensity and the intention of their predator that they can pick up on so a leopard or a mountain lion strolling through even unseen is not sending off that kind of energetic intention and the electromagnetics which can be photographed by a and photography by the way would look very different than when it is there even more hidden on a sensory level that with intent its meat rebroadcasting that intention and that's what the deer are picking up on telepathically I wonder if predators try to hide their broadcast or dampen it just as they try to hide their physical bodies so it's not to broadcast so loudly yeah they don't because they're just way too authentic and just being themselves yeah yeah like we can't really hide it we can we can think we're hiding something at base we can perhaps distract ourselves yeah okay so continue with the story of spirit how it was it was a nice outcome what happened next yes well the the keepers thank goodness although they thought this was an entirely last resort completely mad moved to call in there yeah they were really desperate and and they were sort of rolling their eyes like yeah sure he's upset with his name or whatever you know until I said that thing about the two leopard cubs there are wait a minute because the wife of the keeper remembered vaguely think for one as a photo she could remember that there were two cubs next door to in months months before this so um we left it's the film crew and that afternoon the keeper your quietly where no one was watching and there was no members of the public around he went outside stewards enclosure and outside than that shelter and black catalyst dark night shows you could barely see him and you're just quietly conveyed to him energetically and mentally saying I'm very sorry that we've been continuing to tell your bed and sad story and call you aggressors just because you've been behaving from a place of absence I'm so sorry we go we acknowledge you for the spirit that your arm we need to change your name we're going to call your spirits so that people will project that on TV and we want you to know we're never going to ask anything of you here like at the zoo where you came from there were so many demands on you you don't even have to come out of this night shelter ever we're sorry that we've been asking you to you can do exactly as you please we will take care of you unconditionally and because your wasn't attached to him coming out of the night shelter spirit ended your guard abused night shelter right there and first time out in sunlight in six or seven months and has been a happy cat ever since and there is more to the story that's not that's not known in the public forum yet what's that that's fast forward about five years and spirit and he's over fifty for big cat companions of all those premises to a fantastic very beautifully lush area where they can all hide out from human you have been seen by humans if they want to and a zoo elsewhere in South Africa was closing and down and had five-year-old lipid sisters they needed to get rid of so they came to the sanctuary and they were put in the enclosure where spirit could see them lipids are solitary cats and don't ever live together in the wild and if you try and put two labels together they will fight to the death until one of those of them are dead that's why they had a healthy distance between these two new lipids and closure and spirits enclosure but they notice that they showed interest in each other and seemed quite friendly across distance you can see where this is going like right romance he asked me to communicate with all three because they felt that they should put them together but all the vets and all the conservationists were saying no ways you're gonna have dead lipids strewn about the place and all those all three lipid said hello we are friends from Becca and we are the ones and so very bravely the keepers and the managers means against the advice of all the scientists and they did put them in the same enclosure where they've been living together how can he ever after really have they had babies oh no no not at all no it's highly ethical for any animal sanctions to be breeding and creating more captive animals no they are not there's no breeding allowed at all I see so they must neuter or spay the the animals either oral contraceptives or injectable contraceptives for their females or yeah per sec to me is Newtonian yes I see and I presume this is a dumb question but I presume that having been raised in captivity is there's no way these animals could be released into the wild it would just they wouldn't be able to manage it right and generally speaking what you say is is correct there have been some exceptions to this where animals raised in captivity like one of the white lines I've worked with yeah has this white line in particular the age of 11 he was reintroduced into the wild for the first time after living on a stud farm being made to sire lots of other lion cubs but you see it takes an incredible like years of work and effort to to essentially teach the animal how to hunt successfully all of these large predators will have the chasing instinct and could they for sure know how to chase something but they wouldn't know what to do with it when they catch up with it I see I mean they don't how to actually kill or hand and in some cases with three introductions there have been involved with the with the people the animal care is to help telepathically and give some instruction to the animal on how to hunt and which species to avoid and which ones to chase and and their concerns about it so it is it is possible but goodness knows there's so many wild animals near in situ who are wild and the conservation if it should be going there and rather than them captive enemies yes sure I mean sent over another question she's sitting right here but she it's easier for me you send me it by email here she's had some experiences where the animal sounds such as a meow or a bark will translate into English within herself in other words she knows in those rare moments that well that they are wanting to communicate in English I'm reading it this has always happened when I am in between waking and sleep in the gap but the experience is clear there must be many different ways Communications can come through depending on the person yes exactly it does depend on the person and interesting what she says too about it's happening more easily when you're between waking and sleep that is absolutely when we are our most diffuse and within our awareness is the most dispersed and the most open before we've picked up the thinking mind and gone and closed ourselves down so this can be lovely for anyone on this call to to practice pass when you're falling asleep later or waking up in the morning just have a have an intention or have an invitation to yourself and to to life to just put your awareness out there and then that's any in the incoming messages you need being that they want to show you something yeah so yeah it could be that the animals making a sound or not but impressions that come our way for example in English you know in our minds does depend on us the the receiving device if you like so if there were three people sitting in front of the same dog and all silently telepathically inquiring of the dog what is your favorite toy person one might get the words green tennis ball just suddenly in their mind in English person two might get the mental image of the green tennis ball hanging in front of them you know in their minds eye and a third person might get that dreadful smell of a really wet and all three ways would be equally valid ways to receive the information and that does depend on the person some people are more cognitive and more wordy and more analytical they may get words some people are more kind of static and tactile they make it physical sensations or feelings or smell and some people are more visual and your artists would give them to image as much much more and then typically it happens in a range of ways we as the human receiver should never worry about or try to determine which wavers to be receiving information because we're actually receiving it in its pure or quantum form and the internal translation is what is making it come about as one of those other internal senses for ourselves we don't have any say over that and we try to direct that we're taking our attention there instead of more our awareness being open to actually receiving hmm in the notes you sent us you suggested that one of the things we might discuss is what the the nonhumans are feeling about the current status of human caused destruction and a question came in related to this from par thena in Sebastian Florida she asks I feel that we humans are an invasive species and are not the best stewards of the planet its kind of understatement the only thing I feel good about at this point is that nature will survive us and that the earth will recover from our being here what could nature as a collective possibly think in quotes about there being free from our existence hmm it's a very very good question I'm quite sure they would be delighted to be to be free of our existence not as a concept and not as a future projection but you know the the all the nature kingdoms are very acutely aware that's their experienced difficulties in their daily lives is because of human influence whether that's on the large scale like the climate chaos were experiencing or the plastics that just infusing the oceans even at the microplastic level or whether it's as a very local influence level like the way you're spraying pesticides on the vegetables outside your back door so all of nature is very aware that the troubles they're experiencing is because of human influence and to my absolute astonishment they haven't just risen up in some kind of or Willy and the animal farm mass movement against us there's several species who could really harm us if they wanted to circley the larger ones here in Africa the elephants could just go on a trampling rampage but the level of forgiveness that is emanating from from the natural world is quite astounding you see they know they know behind what we're doing they know that we've really lost our way and the consequences for them are dire and that they also know the consequences for ourselves are dire also and they appear to have an incredible level of compassion for for how lost we are and and then again what I said earlier on there's also this quality of acceptance with things the way they are and there's different kinds of acceptance right there's there's that sort of passive you know be a doormat kind of resigned kind of acceptance and that's not the kind of talking about I'm talking about that much more expanded state of surrender as a spiritual quality of acceptance they they have that they have a trust in the process and for sure individually and even connected me they would really wish and on often asking me and you know in my communications asking me to to try to help things be different for things to be changed for the humans to behave differently for something to be changed about the human actions and again and again my answer to them is just well yeah the humans don't agree I often relay messages from from art life to the humans who are influencing those environments and the humans are shut down or think they don't have the material resources to make a change and are not willing to look to their inner resources and part of the problem is that humans collectively we really work up you know with our thinking awareness if we work up to the scale of what what the effects are of what we're doing I think that wall of grief would be quite overwhelming in our modern cultures where we don't have a way to process their grief we've become so unrelated to other and even to ourselves we don't know how to process that's their grief that which is just just waiting under the lid of Pandora's box and if we acknowledge that's a message from one particular environment or from that that one shock that is washed a your gift or that that one pesticide pills yeah insect in the field if we were to deeply acknowledge and feel and hear and know that that is real it would call into question my entire paradigm of modern living and we would be present to to the effects and most people just can't go there it's just better to keep the blinkers on and turn on humans allow us that latitude they allow us to remain blind and unseen I don't know if they have much choice and you know our obviously our paradigm needs shifting and I don't know quite what it's going to take to shift to shift it it seems like we don't change until we're out early forced to you know I mean obviously just taking the whole climate change thing you know some people see it coming and others get money from the oil companies to vote in favor of doing nothing about it so there's a sort of a blindness or a stubbornness you know as we as the Titanic heads towards the iceberg there is n do the the the unraveling is unraveling and the the falling apart of systems whether those be conceptual economic or infrastructural is is what's happening and that's already been happening for the nonhumans we have unraveled their migration routes the forests and the Pacific Northwest of dried up of the last mountain caribou we are causing so many extinctions laugh as they know it's both in quantity and in location and in quality has been unraveling for a long time so it's never - in evitable that we - are going to fall prey to that phenomenon we're not above it and in the unraveling and energy is recycled energy cannot be created or destroyed so there's such opportunity for for new paradigms to come about but it's not going to be through technology or our thinking Minds it's going to be through different aspects of our being that are going to have to come forward and and stand in front of our thinking minds and our rational approaches are you optimistic pessimistic you know do you feel like we're doomed or do you feel like some people feel for instance that there's there's some sort of spiritual renaissance taking place in the world and all these people are getting interested in spirituality and having spiritual awakenings and so on and that somehow is going to percolate up in terms of changes in social structures and economic policies there's an environmental you know concerns and all that kind of thing I tend to think that way myself but I don't know for sure it's just a it's a comforting thought it is it is a comforting thought and a change is incremental you know which implies it's still operating within the same construct this change too which is incremental and it's still dealing with adjusting the current known world and the and working with criteria that are already known so I'm neither optimistic nor pessimistic because I don't tend to take a future view on this you know things are just happening as they're happening I tend to think of myself as realistic which I suppose anyone in this objective view would say about themselves but I think yeah that we we way beyond the tipping point for sure we really are a new term extinction is upon us of our own of our own species as well Posca don't have a problem with that and I do also deeply know that a co-created solution is more than possible it's it's it's there it's already available but that would take us humans playing our part in the Copart of that just really and co-created with other species with the river systems with the wisdom of the mountains and with any other unseen forces that may be a play that we don't even know about currently so I absolutely know that this is possible and whether or not that happens is just sheer conjecture I do know about the level of forgiveness and tolerance that the nonhumans displayed towards us and I know about critical mass and there are some changes happening but I think it's I think it's too late on the numbers and on the predictions and extrapolations label for there to be a change within the paradigms we currently know but what absolutely is possible is a whole new paradigm if we can again awaken to the wisdom of our heart and our greater being our essence who knows what amazingly creative solutions can be found and I'm very very very delighted at that prospects whether it comes to pass and what yeah I'm sure everyone understands the word paradigm just kind of the framework of our of our thinking about the scientific paradigm for instance this is a and sometimes you hear the term materialistic paradigm the notion that the world is fundamentally material and that there is no sort of spirit and that when the body dies that's the end of you and that kind of things it's it's a way of thinking and in science over and over again over the several centuries of Sciences has existed paradigms have been upended by new information or anomalies as they're called that conflict with the existing paradigm and eventually shake it to the point where it has to crumble and the new one takes its place anyway summation of that word here's a missing question from a fellow in Mumbai initials KP one of my teachers tells us that he has had an experience of dogs and even a bat telling him that they would like a human body so that they could work for liberation they also suggest that humans don't seem to be doing enough with the body I wonder if that means not doing enough for liberation in their human body does this sort of spiritual perception or desire and animals resonate with you have you noticed something like this I'm going to make consumption about what KP says that by liberation he means you're in spiritual liberation like yes yeah it's been my experience that nonhumans don't need a human body to to expand their their you know their sense of self or sentience so no I think you know I really don't think humans are at the pinnacle of a enlightenment incarnations or a place to aspire to I've honestly received yeah as much wisdom and and transformational information and perception from a horsefly as I have from a sheep as I have from elephant so that has not been my experience that that they would want a human body what has been my experience is that let's call it a soul for want of a better definition that a soul can incarnate many times in many different species bodies in many different species forms but the way I've experienced it is more like the Native Americans way of understanding these things which is that a soul will show up in a particular species this or physical vessel for the sake of practicing and integrating those qualities in that given lifetime and that we perhaps oldest from the journey of accumulating things into our toolkit and whatever is appropriate not only for self or the even the idea of individual progression is it's kind of strange to me because it can often be overlaid with a somewhat self-motivated agenda but let's say that there is a degree of appropriateness if we are all just threads playing our parts then perhaps and whatever is appropriate in any given incarnation for self as a microcosm and including our contribution to the connectives then it can go this way in that way sideways and up or down whatever ideas we have across the species boundaries I've communicated with the cat who in the previous incarnation was the human mother of her present garden and it wasn't a demotion or donk I hate her yeah sometimes I've used the metaphor I don't know if you'll agree with this or not and I don't think I originated this that animals are in a sense like children in the sense that they're innocent spontaneous they don't have a whole lot of sort of freedom to operate outside of their their their instincts and their nature just as maybe children are innocent in spontaneous and pretty much have to live within the confines the constraints of their of what their parents dictate but then humans in general are more like teenagers you know who've gained some independence and freewill and they begin playing with it and exercising it and very often get themselves into all kinds of trouble and many don't survive that phase well whereas enlightened people if we want to use that term or more like sort of adults who've made it through the teenage phase and gained some you know some wisdom and they still have their free will and and their independence but they've somehow come back well we're retaining those qualities they've come back to the innocence and spontaneity of children yes absolutely and there is there is that spontaneity with the openness of children and and again the other end of the typical human life timescale and when they elder is sitting there quietly just sagely not having to be important or even give pearls of wisdom anymore just sitting there and being with all around and all those other stages of humans as they are yeah you know home okay well the reason I didn't I didn't know if you'd agree with that metaphor is that it sort of implies a progression that the and the humans are somehow progressing beyond a stage at which the animals are and then eventually arriving in an even further stage which kind of recapitulates the innocence of animals or children using the metaphor but incorporates new knowledge yeah yeah I think I think for me the major cruise about us about us coming in basically clean and then we get the strata burger of track most of us get educated out of knowingness and we get educated out of our direct perception of things and we could talk to evaluate and think of all these things and hopefully if we live alive long enough in these bodies when we can begin to lose the mind again all the better is not checking mental John yang says lose your mind and come to your senses is that the fellow that there was a video of you out with the this fellow tracking eel and I believe it was that's an amazing one I'm gonna link to that one to your bath gap page it was really cool yeah in fact he was you can talk about this a little bit he was saying you were both talking about how he actually sees a sort of a line on the ground a line of light and then just begins to follow that line and his body can only go in that direction and maybe he doesn't see the line the entire time but when he needs to see it again it shows up again and then he keeps following it that's right he sees there's the silver lines which is coming to some of the oldest trekkers were they were they they're tracking in such an intuitive way they're not anymore looking at footprints and analyzing things I'm trying to scan with their eyes to see where the next footprint in the trail is and that comes from John Young who's founder of the wilderness awareness school by the way and other deep nature connection movements that comes from him just really feeling opening to everything to that one the connecting was a track and everything his heart again everything he's being to a feeling for for that one and he then is in tune with the the almost like the energetic trail that the animal would have left when it passed there and again him seeing still the Lions is somewhere that his brain is interpreting the energy to gift him with a conscious awareness of it so he's got something to go on quite literally and his body his own animal body is responding in that matrix of connectedness he's an animal body is responding and wants to go that way it's like a leaning on impulse that can't be ignored you know we modern humans have this sometimes in everyday life - probably not everyday there because usually it only happens when our life is really in danger and that instinct kicks in so when we're sitting at the traffic lights and they're read and then they turn green and we we need to pull away but something makes us not go and the cars behind us are on their horns and hooting we still can't go we don't know why are we just sitting there completely you know statue risk and then suddenly a car comes across the lights across the intersection from the other direction running a red light and had we pulled forward into the intersection that moment we would have been flattened so there are these things we we just suddenly know something we suddenly feel to not go in a certain direction or to go in a certain direction the parent who suddenly in an afternoon wonders where their child is or finds themselves walking down to the riverbank and around the tree suddenly sensing where there's a need or where'd one that they're connected with is so we have these feelings embodied as our intuition helping guide us and we can use this every day it's a great fun way to actually play with developing our eye interior parts you can play with this walking into the into the coffee shop or walking into the office or get into your car in the mornings just notice little things about where your body wants to go what your body wants to pay attention to and close your eyes when you walk into that restaurant all that daily or that coffee shop close your eyes as you're in Sur and lick yourself notice which where your body wants to go having asked for where there's an empty seat and open your eyes you might find that you're heading for the only empty table in the place it's meant to be fun this is childlike this is us as our innocent and program-based so play with it sometimes I like to cross-reference interviews and I've interviewed a fellow last October named Ishtar who's old name is also thomas Howell and he had that very experience that you just said about the traffic light he he was maybe 10 or 11 years old or something and he just said this he had had all kinds of intuitive experiences all his life but he had this really strong feeling that his mother shouldn't go anyplace and he begged her don't go anyplace tomorrow you absolutely have to stay home and she was kind of ignoring and then he broke his arm or something playing football and she had to take him to the doctor and they were on the way and they went through a green light as they were entitled to do and some car like whizzed through and his mother died he he lived but it was like this demanding intuition that he somehow got overridden by circumstances here's a question that came in from Robert McEwan in Kalamazoo Michigan yes I have a Great Pyrenees dog that belonged to my wife who has now I have used a pendulum to find Jasmine the dog when she got scared and took off one day I have used emotion code to remove emotional blocks I am a healer and not as powerful as some but I have seen Qi Gong you've done big animals do you use it I also talked to jasmine but not telepathically she watches my lips and blinks makes gestures with her mouth or shouts at me if she's impatient how can I develop the telepathy part thanks for all you do mm-hmm well Roberts I'm sure you are communicating telepathically but only because you don't believe you are and Jasmine knows that you don't have that self belief she's resorting to to the blinking and the physical cues and as often happens without domesticated animals where you know we are in a constant telepathic exchange with them but they don't really make small talk just for the sake of it but when something meaningful to them is being spoken about or there's something relevant they they're projecting to us telepathically what's going on for them and only if we don't get it all they if they know that we don't think we're getting them there then resort to body language or vocalizing or kind of getting very obvious with us so I'm sure the telepathy is happening in the background and about the other part of the question around using pendulum or some coding system or kinesiology I firstly don't use it because I'm fortunate enough to be able to just just sit in the center of myself and be quite clear what I'm getting through that if I am have a very important question like a real yes/no literally life or death thing like is the right time to assist one of my own animals to leave her body to euthanize her it's pretty important that I get that one right in the sense that I hear her choice correctly and given that it's one of my own animal companions I'm not going to be as clear or we're centered because I'm emotionally involved then I might if I'm feeling a doubt about they said yes or no I'm I think he's a pendulum myself simply to allow my body to become another another way to confirm the message without the pendulum or without the coding system which would just being my my conscious prey and knowing my intuition so there is a place for that as long as those things are not becoming an intermediary in themselves you know so this isn't a form of psychometry where we need a piece of the hair of the dog we need to use anything because we're not channeling and from yet another party in the in the Constructors is really directly from the animal but as a way to help us those become clear yes absolutely whatever works also when we are asking for information or asking an animal to show us what they want us to know we might get very frustrated and feel like nothing is coming and all we are aware of is the random other stuff in our brains like the grocery list or previous conversations on the phone will work stuff we may get exasperated it might be that several hours later while you're washing the dishes or doing something fairly mindless that a sense comes to comes to your awareness about that previous question to the animal and you shouldn't discard it if it comes through later it doesn't mean that they at that future moment are communicating with you then it means that has just taken that long for your own inner awareness to two o'clock what you received earlier during the into your communication okay yeah good answer here's one that came in this is a follow-up question from someone named Jan in the UK she said thank you so much for all you're doing I've been so moved by your work and today by your words you know spirit the leopard were his new companions that he got to be with those two females I believe his were they former companions of his I guess she's alluding to the ones who were with him in that other zoo the young cubs she didn't quite understand that point wanted it clear yes they were former companions about five or six years before when they were Cubs and he was already adults there had been in the adjoining enclosure but but the ones who came to live with him finally yes more recently oh those the very same to the I'm glad yes I didn't get that either yeah they're very same - it took again a few months for the paper trail to be followed because at first the keeper said no these can't be the same - we have to make out the chick - you know ABC mm-hmm and then when the zoo got closed down and the paperwork was wrapped up and the trust was closed and all of that when they came to actually make the payments but then things have changed and let's make the payment to the actual owners of the lipids and they were told it's XYZ which was the name of the the original place so yeah it's and that's agains we know well there's always in this it's always some other greater mystery at play you know something had something had conspired to make them being be reunited this doesn't mean that we can go around selfishly wishing for things to happen or to see our and deceased animals come back to us again reincarnated to come live with us again because we'd like this hmm yeah that doesn't really carry a lot of weight in the universal wishes it'd be nice to think that spirits concerned about those two cats and his intention you know concern for them somehow orchestrated the reunion certainly there's those threads those bonds of being would have been strengthened by his concern for them and then the tuning in that would have helped strengthen that workers connection which might have just been what got pulled upon to bring them back yeah another follow-up question Don Tuttle from winston-salem North Carolina is wondering would you be able to tell the story of the wisdom you received from the horsefly that you mentioned I can't remember so many animals so many conversations one thing I was wondering is I'm sure you don't feel this with all humans but are there certain who humans with whom who are on your wavelength with whom you you have the with whom the intuitive gift that you have with animals also applies such that you tune in to them and just kind of know things that they are thinking or feeling without having to speak and yes there are there are a few a handful of trusted friends around the world and it's certainly not easy for me with humans at all and generally when I see through colleagues as well it's it's it really is more difficult to connect intuitively was was the essence of a human because we all humans we all have our masks that we wear our roles we play there's that stuff and that mental noise to get through before you get to the real being on the inside I think if you are going to be intentionally doing this with any other human that it's important to get there waking conscious consents to this and it certainly does call for a trust in the relationship and so yes I've played and telepathic games with a friend in California you know like this in years gone by and and again it happens spontaneously between two people who are already emotionally connected but you have a feeling you might be having just a fine and peachy day and suddenly the mental picture of your brother comes to mind you just suddenly feel done and then you know that that's his feeling in that moment you know you're feeling it on his behalf so there are these things that happen spontaneously and yes there are a few humans which we have overtly given our Commission to to have no boundaries yeah how about babies and little children do you sense an open you must have yeah easy an easy connection with them absolutely it's easy and seamless and I can't walk through a shopping mall or you know sort of parking lot without babies kind of craning their necks to stare or look or check it out I don't know if parents must think I'm some kind of stalker or something because the way the kids stare at me it's kind of you know and that's because it is about that being on the same wavelength you know the more open we are the more others who are open and recognize that and it's just it's just hanging out in the same wavelengths quite literally you know the origin of that expression meaning good communication is because on the quantum level we're literally resonating at congruent frequencies we're literally on the same wavelength and then we can understand and know so much more of each other because we be fully occupying and sharing the same states of being we're not you know we're not in different frequencies it's really easy remember interviewing somebody years ago who was like in an airport or something in like 50 60 feet away he saw somebody in baggage claim that just stood out couldn't hear much anything or even see much about the person but the guys just stood out he said this guy is some kind of master so he walked and it wasn't dressed unusually or anybody he walked over and introduced himself it turned out this guy had was this spiritual teacher you know with some yeah yeah okay so um is there anything that we haven't covered that you would like to say that I haven't thought the after and the listeners haven't thought to ask I would just like to encourage everyone to really practice with this and to play with it it mustn't become a Haidee kind of a concentration that you have smoke coming out of your ears it really is fun we've just been speaking about babies of animals just sort of authentic and in the moment and and and being themselves and so it really helps if you are wanting to practice with this form of intuitive communication it really helps to set up some things that looks look like games you know practicing with other humans sending or receiving objects just tuning in with your own animals who may live with you although there can be more difficult because we are so close to them already it can be tough for new information to stand up on our internal radar screen as being new and because we're usually very invested in their responses as well so it can be a good idea to ask friends or neighbors who have domesticated animals living with them if you could practice with their animals even by a photograph or something and ask questions of the animals telepathically that a human can corroborate the answers for as a way to build confidence and there's also another website of the beautiful elder in this field she's regarded as the grandmother of interspecies communication her name is Penelope Smith and she has fantastic downloadable resources and amazing articles and CDs and structural material and her website which is animal talk dotnet a girl animal talk duck lips you can get all the resources for your self-paced journeys and she's a very wise woman she was the two of my mentor and she really speaks deeply about the sentient and soul major of animals so use your intuition to when you exploring this field there's a whole continuum of people in the psychic arts and a whole whole range of people on the continuum of animal communicators and some might thought have a very dominant world views that we're just here to tell animals what to do or to train them better for obedience use your intuitions navigate this realm and finding what those innate sincere as well yeah I remember seeing a show about Temple Grandin you probably know her story it was yeah I guess she was autistic or something or is but she had this sense of animals and she was able to make a sort of animal industry more humane by changing the way pens and things were designed but elderly it didn't still sounded like a little bit of them no unpleasant scene that she was just trying to put a little polish on and sometimes that's all that we can do practically you know that we can do is make a small amendment in a situation where people have this weird idea of ownership of animals or things are not going to change and even if we are connecting with animals having a really hard time they're being abused or worse just us connecting with them even from afar and and sitting with sitting witness to that that does improve their emotional experience of their life even if their circumstance is really awful they feel seen they feel your compassion they feel empathy and that is very helpful and and does you know is very much appreciated by them so it's not always about having to change things practically yeah I live in Iowa and we have about three million people in the state and about 22 million pigs who are all mostly all in these kanima confinement things in 1200 in a single building and I shudder to think what what the morphic field around here those animals in there but there's there's a whole group in my town that is always actively trying to do something about that situation great and even for those who aren't in Iowa you know we could all just open our hearts and and hold hold pigs in in their highest sells you know thank them for the beings that they are for thank them for their essential nature and when that aspect of themselves is consciously tuned in with they can much more easily cope with their and personality and physiological experiences or the conditions they live in yeah you know we mentioned it earlier in muscle mouse we'll wrap tie up this a little bit so people don't have lingering questions you know that you had been a vegan for many many years and then you eventually got to the point where you felt perhaps for health reasons or whatever that you needed to eat some meat so how did you make that transition and and you know for someone who says oh my god she's eats meat how could she do that how would you how would you reconcile that with everything else you've said today well when I saved two vegetarians is why do you practice cruelty to vegetables mm-hmm yeah but the transition was slow and I mean to answer seriously and I'm very careful and pedantic about from where my food comes all my food vegetable matter and plant matter so with vegetable matter I only eat organic from local farmers we are knows they've the vegetables vegetables have been well treated they have been grown with kindness they have been regarded with respect and they've been gently harvested and the same for the little bit of meat that I eat I make sure that I have been to the places from where they come and they're very cute very cases of free-range otherwise it's literally wild court and even then it is about the hunting practices is it more the sacred hunt or is it just that yeah they're just very very unkind so it's a fool to each of us to make our own choices within the context of whatever our version of integrity looks like all we can do is the be the best we can be for wherever we're at and and judge not ourselves or others also to listen to our own animal bindings really listen to our own animal bodies and what forms of sustenance do we need so I look for vegetables and animals I've had a kind and loving life and an easy transition away from physical ayah they may be recycled into the energy of all and some would say that that's not only an ethical and compassionate motivation on your part but that the way a plant or an animal has been treated throughout its life the way it's harvested are killed even the way it's cooked and even the consciousness of the cook who cooks it all sort of go into the sort of vibration or subtle influence that it's going to have when when it's in when it's eaten they're imbibed exactly which all there is then you know form our influence our makeup and our whole mentality our consciousness our yeah I think that just beautifully summarizes that it's really much less about the what the what we eating or what we're doing it's about the hell how are we being when we're busy with whatever what in our lies how how are we being well yeah all right well it's been wonderful talking to you really appreciate what you're doing it's I find it very inspiring as I think many people watching and many people who will watch do and as I said I'll I'll link to a bunch of things that people can watch if they want if they just search for your name on YouTube they'll find all kinds of things I'll link to some of the ones that I I personally found most interesting and inspiring and man to your website and do you do you have any kind of like let's say people listening to this and they think alright I want Anna to talk to my dog or I want Anna to do something about my farm animals or whatever how do you interact with the public in ways that people listening to this show might relate to or might need as a service from you I don't do domestic animal consultations at all and in the last few years nor farm animals other than that locally I focus exclusively on wildlife and human wildlife conflict areas and research and conservation projects which in its is all pro bono work for free because it's for sanctuaries or organizations or conservation initiatives that are not well funded so yeah very good question they sauce myself to the point of illness it's it's a struggle there's a self-employed single person it really is so I ask for donations from our website for the wildlife work that I do but the bread and the butter is from the workshops that I that I run and I'm wanting to take some time this year to develop online teaching materials I'm not able to travel internationally at the moment and the workshops which is just helping other people remember how to do this themselves is is the only way that I earn and it's also my passion is to have people join in this incredible journey of reconnection so I'm not available for consultations I've got long list of wild animals and interventions waiting for my attention when I when I can't get to them so if you run you run in person workshops like in South Africa people could come there for a workshop if they wanted to yes I do run in person workshops in South Africa and it's not yet known whether I will ever be able to travel internationally again or not I've just come through a year of immense physical challenges and have managed to survive physically which is beautiful glad you did and I'm thank you and I'm still in the convalescent phase I don't know if I'll be able to travel internationally but I do run things from time to time within South Africa there's nothing currently scheduled but there may be something towards the end of the year there will be webinars and other online events so people want to subscribe to my newsletter so that would be the best way to be informed of future events when they're all around and that is simply at my website which is animal spirit org so at animals food org on the homepage you can subscribe to the newsletter to receive any articles that I may write every couple of months and to be notified well in advance of any workshops including the online workshops that could be developed over the course of the rest of this year okay and if someone is driving their car while they're listening to this you don't need to pull over and write that down all but I'll put a link to that on anas page on BET Capcom all right well thanks Anna and I I'm glad you pulled through whatever physical challenge you have been through that might be why I wasn't able to interview you last time I reached out you might have been going through that but um hang in there and stay with us for a long time because you know what you're doing is wonderful we need you oh well that's worth just staying alive for the shoe and body joy of it really doesn't it have to be for some big purpose at all here for being exactly who we being in any moment and all we ever really have is just this moment good well put all right thanks to those who've been listening or watching next week I'll be in re interviewing a fellow named Lincoln burger who's a very interesting young man you might want to watch his first interview on that gap before I do the second one just so you'll kind of get up to speed and what he's all about so we'll see you then and thanks again Anna thank you Rick thanks everybody bye-bye all right it takes me a minute to disconnect everything but you can hang out if you want to because I have to go through some steps and stuff yeah okay thanks so much yeah I'm sort of would take issues too sure and if there's anything that you know comes up on you like if you want me to add something to your page at some point you know some link or some book you've written or something like that just get in touch and all right yeah yeah yeah great thanks so much appreciate all that you doing in the world thank you thank you fun yeah later take care the bank styrene as well okay thanks [Music]

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Published: Tue Mar 26 2019