An Interview with Justice Clarence Thomas 11-14-2013

well let's now move to the program for tonight and my role will be to introduce our moderator or interviewer someone who's not a stranger to the Federalist Society one of the great judges in the seventh circuit judge Diane Sikes has had the opportunity to serve at a lower court judge but also state Supreme Court judge and now on the Seventh Circuit she's one of the great nominees that President Bush made back in 2004 and I will ask her to go into discussing her own opinions but she had a very good one recently in one of the healthcare cases so I'm gonna let her introduce our featured guest and conduct the interview but without further ado let's welcome Judge Sykes thank you David and good evening everyone it's my great honor and pleasure to introduce our distinguished guest this evening although much of what I might say by way of introduction is no doubt familiar to all of you Justice Clarence Thomas has served with great distinction on the United States Supreme Court for more than two decades now and he has been a friend of the Federalist Society for so long that most of you in this room already know him very well but I think it's right for us to recall the extraordinary path that he traveled to reach our nation's highest court not only for what it tells us about him but for what it tells us about our country as Justice Thomas himself put it in his remarkable memoir my grandfather's son I have never doubted the greatness of a country in which in which a person like me could travel all the way from pinpoint Georgia to our nation's capital Clarence Thomas is descended from West African slaves who worked on a rice plantation in Georgia he was born in pinpoint a tiny coastal settlement near Savannah into circumstances of extreme poverty and deprivation there was no running water in the shanty where he lived and only a single electric light his father abandoned the family when he was six the house burned down and his mother moved with Clarence and his brother to a squalid tenement in Savannah where the living conditions were deplorable and there was a shortage of food his mother could not raise the boys on the $10 a week she earned as a housekeeper so when Clarence was seven he and his younger brother were sent to live with their grandparents their influence on him especially that of his grandfather Meyers Anderson was life-changing as told in his wonderful memoir his grandfather's self-reliance and ethic of hard work and personal responsibility his Catholic faith and insistence on the primacy of education and his personal dignity and strength in the face of the in justices of the segregated south taught our future Supreme Court justice everything he needed to know to meet the challenges and opportunities that were ahead of him the sisters of Saint Benedict sent st. Pius added a few things too initially young Clarence Thomas was called to the priesthood and he entered the seminary but the call gradually lost its strength and a cruel and bigoted comment by another seminarian extinguished his vocation he left the seminary and in the fall of 1968 enrolled at Holy Cross College Yale Law School came next but after earning the elite Yale JD he had difficulty finding a big-city law firm job so he accepted an offer from John Danforth then the Attorney General of Missouri and served as an assistant attorney general in Jefferson City from 1974 to 1977 after a brief stint in corporate law he followed then senator Danforth to Washington DC in 1979 just in time for the Reagan Revolution over the next dozen years Clarence Thomas served in all three branches of government as a legislative aide to Senator Danforth as assistant secretary for civil rights in the Department of Education as chairman of the Equal Opportunity Employment Commission and as a circuit judge on the United States Court of Appeals for the DC Circuit along the way he met and married Virginia his soul mate in 1991 he was appointed to the Supreme Court by President George HW Bush by this time he had emerged as an outspoken conservative so the confirmation process exact adapt erson 'l toll but by following the example of his grandfather he persevered and our nation is very fortunate that he did on the court justice thomas has been a steady and committed originalist playing a pivotal role in the recovery and restoration of the original meaning method of constitutional interpretation he has made substantial and important contributions to our law both in his opinions for the court and when writing separately perhaps most notably in the areas of federalism and a separation of powers the jurisprudence of equal protection the guarantee of trial by jury and the law of free political speech his opinions reflect a deep appreciation for the Liberty protecting structure of our constitutional system he has advanced an understanding of the Constitution informed by the vital truths expressed in the Declaration of Independence connecting our founding political and juridical documents his extraordinary personal fortitude is an inspiration to all who would stand on principle ladies and gentlemen please join me in welcoming Clarence and so embarrassing Justice Thomas good evening and it's so good to see you again he was really loose at the table so I think this is going to be a lot of fun thank you thank you just as I talked about in the introduction just as Thomas your path to the court is a truly remarkable American story so what I'd like to do is begin our discussion this evening sort of in the middle of the story with your decision to go to law school that was really your genesis or the genesis of your journey in the law you had left the seminary and were a student at Holy Cross it was the late 1960s a very turbulent time for our country you had decided to go to law school and you were accepted at some of the best law schools in the country as I recall from your memoir you said you turned down Harvard Law School in favor of Yale because Harvard was too big and too conservative now I get the big part but the conservative part I think you're going to have to explain first of all judge Sykes thank you for your introduction I think I should have just quit while I was ahead the this is really embarrassing I just there's a lot of attention on me and it's covers makes you uncomfortable but you know I think when you're when you come up from a part of the country and you're in New England there are a lot of things that are happening in your life I had quit the seminary which was you know the only dream I'd ever really had and I've been a devout Catholic an altar boy and I had eschewed all those things in 1968 so like most kids who eschew the way they're raised you're adrift and you're looking for the next vocation everybody who's been a seminary and thinks he or she has a vocation if you're in the convent or if you're trying to be a priest so that's your orientation and I thought that law would be a substitute vocation something similar to the priest did where you did you did well so that you could do good so that you could go back home and do the right thing that was all there was to it now that's about as deep as it got I mean this this is this is 1968 69 and Woodstock is going on so that would be considered very sane thinking well you you were something of a campus radical weren't you yeah but I wasn't I wasn't a dope head you know the if you couldn't I mean you the sixties were the 60s were different and the there were a lot of things happening involving race the breakdown the structure in society I was suddenly out of the seminary and in new ink and there were no rules things were falling apart and you'd you know without structure it's very very difficult to navigate I was extremely fortunate to be at Holy Cross I was extremely fortunate to still have had a residual of the way I was raised by the and and the structure that the nuns had given me the structure that the seminary had given me I was also extremely fortunate because I had already been in predominantly white schools I was the only black kid in my high school in Savannah so the transition to a school with very few blacks in a very difficult set of circumstances academically and otherwise I had sort of a jump start I was ahead of the game so I had something so it allowed me to continue to do well even though it was very very difficult now I do want to get to Harvard I don't want to get lost in that just I was a bit of a radical but that's what happened back then you were black things were changing and we were very very upset the that changed actually at a riot in Harvard Square when I finally realized this is this is going too far and I'm full of this hatred that as my grandfather would often tell me when he saw me you were not raised to be that way and it was I give you the exact day it's the road to Damascus date was the morning of April 16 1970 1970 the day after Harry Blackmun was announced for the Supreme Court we were in the exact same newspaper that's how I knew so the the having come back from that riot at Harvard Square and not understanding exactly what I had just done I stood in front of the chapel at Holy Cross and that's where I made a promise to God that I would if he could to help me take hate get this hatred out of my heart I would never hate again and it's sort of ironic what I hear people try to tell me that I am supposed to be overwhelmingly race conscious and have the sense of get even in a sort of effort to get even in my life then that's the opposite of the way I was raised that was the opposite of what we believed in and it was the opposite of the deal I made with God on April 16 1970 now with respect to Harvard I said Harvard as a dream I had no plans I mean what do I know about Harvard I'm from Savannah Georgia Harvard I may as well say Harvard Mars doesn't make any difference as someone said to me why not just say Mars since that's heart that's as impossible as Harvard and just sort of laughed at me in 1969 or so when I said that so it was a reach for me I'm not quite understanding it but I was confused you remember that's the ear we're selling Black Panther Papers we're like meeting at the radical bookstore and wondering why the FBI is looking at us you know if you meet at a store with a little red book behind you other people might be interested in what you're doing so and they're not all called NSA so but at any rate the you know I went I was accepted to monitor my surprise I and I went to Cambridge and I remember that there was a lot of people there in the law school and it was very confusing and I escaped from that madness it's sort of like the seed you see in the stranger by Camus you know like you have this weird experience out there and so that was sort of what happened to me at Harvard and I sort of like was became like breathless oh my goodness a panic attack and I got back to Holy Cross there's absolutely no way I can go there and it was a big as all these people walking around dressed up like they were going into the corporate world of course back then we were any corporations and I decided to go to Penn actually I had not been accepted at Yale and so I was gonna go to Penn law school and Yale had sent me Yale isn't like the other law schools you knew you were accepted if they sent a big packet of materials Yale sent the thinnest of letters it was as though I mean we are not into the catalog thing we are Yale so not only that they sent it to my grandparents in Savannah Georgia who never opened my mail because they they couldn't read what was in it so they never looked in it and they eventually sent it to me so I get this in letter from Yale the Yale Law School and and it went to Yale and quite frankly as badly as I've things I'm as bad as the things are that I may have said about Yale the experience was very beneficial to me go to Savannah Georgia I've never had any other dream but to return the Savannah Georgia that's that's my number one dream I was going to become a priest to go and help I was going to become a lawyer to go and help it was that simple and I couldn't get a job in my state of Georgia it's that simple I mean some people make it very complicated I could not get a job and I looked at the firms in Atlanta and looked at lots of places I got zero job offers Jack Danforth a good man the biggest problem that I had with him as he was a Republican but but I got over it when I had only in one job well tell us about what that first job meant to you in your future it was the best job I've ever had I learned things from Jack Danforth that I would learn from other good people one I learned it you don't judge people with these labels a Republican versus this or that I also learned that you can treat people fairly and be decent and honest with everybody he was always absolutely honest and ethical and in watching him be that way you learn how to be that way with others he was a compassionate man also he was very good to me I every day thank God that along the way again remember I have no had absolutely no one to give me guidance I thank God I met so many good people that every I didn't even remember my years at EEOC and being protected by people like Orrin Hatch and Strom Thurmond I didn't know Strom Thurmond I just met senator Hatch but hearing I had over 60 hearings at EEOC and some of those were pretty brutal hearings and yet every time the people I could count on in the Senate were Orrin Hatch and Strom Thurmond on senator damp but in any case there were that job meant everything to me because it was a model for how I would conduct myself and what I would expect in the future well let's talk about your your decision to come to DC in 1979 at that point a major political shift was underway what is now called the conservative legal movement came just a few years later when you came here your arrival coincided with this shift what was that just a coincidence or did you come with an affinity for the legal ideas no I was trying to get this availa I was getting promoted in a job that was a fine job with good people but that's not why I went to law school and as I said then I was beginning to feel the golden handcuffs closed and I wanted out so I quit my job impetuously I do things like that and I had thought about it I quit my job in 1979 I was 31 years old packed up a u-haul and moved and send fortuitously again good people looking out for me senator jammed forth offered me a job and so I came here and I was only going to stay a couple of years and then I was going to Savannah and one thing led to another and I wound up on the court it's sort of you know honestly I think people come up with all these things I love people with bad intent right these things that sort of like how you did this or did that it was like totally Forrest Gump you know you know I just did my jobs and then I showed up in these pictures and one day I showed up in the kitchen at Kennebunkport give you a better story than that I mean you know we she and I I met her in 1986 and that was the beginning of me going back to the things that were most important in my life and we prayed about everything that happened after that good people who believed in me like senator like President Bush the I didn't know President Bush when he nominated me to DC Circuit my good friend Ricky Silberman who insisted that I think about it there were Larry Silverman who counseled me about it I just had you know at every turn and it'll probably be boring to you all because my life actually is pretty boring there were a series of good people who showed up because the one of the things that became a priority and you if you talk to people who come to new places and they don't have family you could ask anybody in this room who don't have a structured family you begin to assemble a family that if that was the source of my difficulty with Yael Yael had become the only family that I had and then at a critical juncture they abandoned me that was the big problem it wasn't when I was at Yale so at every point you build a family and the people I just mentioned to you became the sort of substitute look I mean you think about it I did my wife goes with me my wife and I are really pretty really close and we spend a lot of time together and so we go down the Savannah and she sees the family structure and it is the pathology in many ways of the experiments - social experiments of the 60s my grandparents are gone so that anchor is God and so I'm sort of without that base so you begin to look for people to fill that in and people to saw the people I just mentioned to you who gave me that guidance who looked out for me became that substitute that Assad's family and it was very important to me so I always think that I'm blessed because God I think sent all these good people he sent my wife my wife is a gift that I prayed for in the 1980s the the people I you know I got to the court and my budget my friend Justice Scalia was there and it was a godsend he quickly became friends and and looked out for me that sort of thing so just in the way that Orrin Hatch and Strom Thurmond looked out for me or that Jack Danforth looked out for me well let's turn now to your time on the court three weeks ago you marked your 22nd anniversary I did and I didn't well I didn't need to look that up because I have my own personal marker my son Alex we met earlier this evening who's with me here today was born two days after you took your seat on the court so he's my own little personal marker of your anniversary I hope you didn't waste any of your time watching my ordeal it was two weeks late so so at least that's sort of it these kept your mind off that I'm trying to look for the good side would you if you would share a few thoughts on your initial transition to the courts how did you get your bearings on the court who gave you advice how did you learn the ways of the court well first of all I came from the DC Circuit the people there were fabulous absolutely fabulous I got advice from my good friend Larry Silverman who was just just a wonderful mentor on the DC circuit for the entire 15 months and became continued to be a friend afterwards when I got to the court I was enormous ly blessed Byron white was still there a good man but my closest ally and friend when I got there is Justice Scalia at the expense of embarrassing him are the risk of embarrassing him and I can honestly say that as beat up as I was when I got there with the workload I don't know how I would have gotten through it if he hadn't been there the he became quickly a friend I mean the he became family he and Maureen were just became I could you know what it's it wasn't that we always agreed in every case although we agreed quite a bit its I could count on him and that I could trust him that I could go and talk to him that some two there were days when I was getting beat up quite a bit and he would is he was a friend more than he was a friend an Akali but often times a friend and just very kind to me the members of the court were delightful to me the chief justice rehnquist the justice marshal all of them justice brennan and they all gave me I think sage advice but in the end I think my closest the person who made it doable was Justice Scalia tell us what's changed during your tenure on the court god I'm older you know the courts changed the the you know it's really interesting I have to take my hat off to people like John Stevens and Bill Rehnquist the people who've been there a long time because after you've been there while you sort of come of age or the court and that you get used to that and then it changes and new colleagues come on and you make adjustments and they become your family and it's a different court when you have different colleagues and you go they're good people all of them I mean I've we've been enormous ly fortunate we have justice Alito's there now we were well together so and you know he and Martha and have been become family so you know you meet new people and you get new colleagues and new friends but I have to say that with all that I think I look back on those days that I came of age as the sort of the years that I will treasure because they were really really hard and I feel like you take Justice Scalia we were in the trenches together and you learn a lot and the you treasure now but you the moments now but you really look back on those days as the critical days it's just I don't think there I've been there so long I've done you've seen a lot but back then it was you were quite fresh and you're a novice as the style of the presentation of the cases changed at all arguments you know there are a lot of briefs and people doing a lot of talk yeah I mean it's law and I must say I am when I went on the court I would resist it being a judge I really this was not what I would have picked in my life and but you it's your jld so you do it but now you get to a point you see it and you it goes from being what you're in a vocation this is what you're called to do this is what I do this is you it's not that the words have changed but the way you read them the way you absorb them and the I never thought that I would treasure doing my job and I have reached that point even the most boring cases to others are fascinating you know one of my clerks today was saying to me I was reading some draft opinions and working on one of Mines you said oh gosh you need to really put on your green eyeshade I said I think it's fascinating and see I think he wonders it as a medication for that but it is really I've gotten to a point where it's like the priesthood it's this is what I was called to do and I wouldn't say enjoy it I love well some things to observers from the outside have definitely changed at the Supreme Court we've had the rise of the specialty Supreme Court Bar of course and I don't know if that's that's changed the way the cases are presented the quality of the oral arguments or the gargoyles or something they're not all that bad I don't know why there's a rise you know I don't know them I don't know the legal profession that well I just show up and do my stuff something else that's definitely changed I think as an observer is the kind and degree of attention that is paid to the court and it's work I don't follow the attention that's paid okay so I mean we now have SCOTUSblog and I know nothing about that so so you don't read the new no you know I'm a people I don't read anything I try not to read anything about what we do because I was there hey I really don't I don't read I just that's hearsay okay I am sorry I am the way I am I think it's it's fair to say that you're the most consistent originalist I am no he said something I was a cold blooded originalist or something hearted but now he read recently that he says now he's a stout-hearted originalist who I am or he is no he's a courageous originalist and a brilliant one that's right there's no death but I think it is fair to say that you are the justice who is most willing to re-examine the Court's precedents and my affinity for stare decisis starry decisis doesn't hold much force for you what sure does but not enough to keep me from going to the Constitution Oh so I guess I don't care much mostarda slices either well I don't mean to make light of stare decisis I did want to ask you though about your approach to writing separately you do write separately quite a bit I do yeah you do and you really forge your own path in those separate opinions and just this past term for example one of your separate opinions on the application of the sixth amendment to the jury trial right the alien case just sentencing facts it became the majority view of the court but others of your separate opinions may be less likely to command a majority of you any time soon maybe like a fine wine it just needs aging is that your philosophy of separate opinion writing hey Harlan took him 60 years and he eventually won in Plessy you know you asked a very good question I think that I may lose but I think I'm obligated in fact encouraged by my colleagues that if you believe that you write it I don't ride not to do it in him a way that's not polite or respectful but I think that you I think that someone should have kept writing that segregation was wrong and I regardless and what the precedent was then I think you have to say certain things you know when I first went on the court people thought you know they're great people like bob bork Justice Scalia the originalist these are people everyone thought they were I guess not a gimmick but sort of an oddity now I heard earlier in the introduction and the earliest speech by jean my that originalism now is respected so they had to do it and maybe in some of these other cases we are obligated to say what we really think as in your job you are more constrained but you get cases of first impression and there's precedent perhaps that you might question and you feel obligated to say something and that's the way I feel the other thing is that you know it was very unpleasant to in my case to go to the court for a variety of reasons and when you go through that you feel that you have you're obligated with the blessings that you have with the opportunities you have to do your job and stand up for certain principles and I have to say I have been encouraged by my colleagues they have never discouraged me they have never poo pooed it they have their approach I have mine but if you notice in all those cases I try to do it with a certain degree of respect for my colleagues but uh you know maybe a hundred years from now somebody will ask evading so this guy was out of his mind but I think that I can you know I I'm one of these people I'm one of these people from them who still remembers as little kid standing in the schoolyard and saying the Pledge of Allegiance I think of little black kids at all-black school every morning saying the Pledge of Allegiance that who remembers watching side TV sign off at night with the national anthem and the point high flight which you can see on YouTube now and I still I still get goosebumps from these things I still believe in this stuff I still believe and the Constitution it means more to me than just an academic document this it's it's it's really important so I feel obligated that the opportunity that I'm given to be there to try to get it right that doesn't mean I have the gospel I don't think that it's just an opinion but if you have it I think you're obligated to say what it is and why and if you look like a fool so what that's the reason you do let me a humility you don't worry about it you know you're humble enough to know that perhaps you run the risk and being honest of not necessarily looking like the most acceptable person you describe having a sense of the weight of history on what you do and the weight of duty and obligation is a job to get it right every time I want to ask you now on a lighter note how you escape that the weightiness of your job and how you escape the cloister of the court so let's talk about that venerable practice at the Supreme Court known as the summer recess you are as I understand it a famously collegial group of justices in spite of your sharp disagreements there are no scorpions in a bottle on this Court but all of those really hard in closely divided cases at the the term must produce some frayed nerves and the need to separate for a while is that fair well I never have a problem with it I mean you know I don't know I'd never have a problem and you know I go is what's really interesting you know now but the truth is that actually we always have a very pleasant visit before the end of the term and it is there's some people that you want to take your leave from at the end but well you've got kind of a different way of unwinding over the summer recess some of your colleagues retreat to teaching excursions in Europe and so forth and you've got a very different style of escape actually I go to Europe sometime only to come back I would not be characterized as a Euro file or whatever they call them I like the United States I'm sorry I do not have I have nothing I have nothing against the other countries but I love the United States I love this place I can't get back quick enough but you know I don't I you know I'm not really anxious to leave and about the cloistered life I love the cloistered life I was in seminary you know I enjoy going in as my judgment one of my colleague calls me brother Clarence I love that I heared the voice he comes over to say hello I love my law clerks I love my work that I get to do I have this wonderful think about it every day I go in I have this wonderful opportunity to do this job sure I can't tell you that's the way I felt at the beginning but that's where I am now I feel blessed every day I Drive behind that building to have the chance one more day to go in and be a part of it I don't care how hard it is this is not nearly as hard as being in the fields this is not nearly as hard as picking beans or stripping fodder or plowing I mean you walk behind a horse and that George's son or you do roofing work or you do sewer work this is a calling this is not this and think about it you how can you complain that we get a chance to do what we get a chance to do I love the people I work with I love seeing them and that some days are better than others I'm next door to my colleague Justice Scalia my friend you know I hear his voice in the hall or something you know the these are my friends talk about your relationship with your law clerks I love my law clerks I absolutely love my law clerks this is my I told you before I have to pick my family and these kids are my family and how do you go about choosing them pretty arbitrarily but but they I just what I don't want you to think I just randomly hire them or anything and yet I rely on people I trust they all clerked for other judges and the other judges good friends send me clerks you know I've taken clerks from friends like you know Larry Silverman Steve Williams Davison tell people I know Edith Jones Dr meadow Scanlon just lots of our judges I know people who will call me and say this is a good person and they noted I don't care what school they went to it can be LSU or it can be Yale I hired a small percentage from the Ivy's I hired quite a few more from the na na vi's simply because they're smart kids all over the place but I just and I take circuit I try to take them from the south my part of the country and I try to prefer kids who are generally from modest circumstances whose parents didn't have all the benefits who didn't have all the advantages that's just again the preference and I'm not going to bring kids in who disagree on first principles I'm really not all that interested in argument any secure about that sort of stuff the and I like kids who are not jerks the I I require kids that work together and I just don't need all that disruption in my chamber so I've been enormous ly blessed with the kids I've had very smart very pleasant very hard-working and they've brought joy to my life tomorrow I will have lunch with about thirty-five former law clerks we have monthly lunches and that is one of the high points monthly high points for me to see my kids and see how well they're doing I understand that you take a pilgrimage to Gettysburg every year with your law clerks or almost every year poor kids I dragged him there they I take them on my bus yeah the I love going to Gettysburg at the end of the term I think that people tend to be a little jaded a little upset about things and I'm more idealistic in this job than I was before I took the job and I want them after they see a turn I want them to go to Gettysburg and to think about what the price that was paid for this country to exist we just thanks to Martha Ann Alito we saw the wounded warriors today and the it is one of the most heartfelt things that I've ever done to see young people who have been mortally wounded in defense of this nation and it is hard to see them and not believe that we are doing that we have an obligation to continue to do the right thing and what I'm trying to do in taking my clerks to Gettysburg in a small way is to think about Lincoln and that horrible war that the the carnage that took place at Gettysburg just think of all the animals that were killed all the human beings all the the destruction that had occurred there and he comes there what three four months later with November 19 to dedicate this to 2 minute 4 minutes speech whatever it was and the things that he said that the eloquence of it to elevate that tragic moment and what I'm trying to get these kids to understand is after they see a turn after they see the imperfections that they still believe that they're still idealistic and even with the reality they still believe that this is important and they understand why so we go yes and I dragged them across the battlefield and I don't feel all that bad about it but the point is simply to pull it all back together after you see how the sausage is made that we still believe that it's all worthwhile well of course next week and of course next week we'll be celebrating the 150th anniversary of the Gettysburg Address and I don't know if you have some final thoughts on what Lincoln's words meant to the country then and what they mean to us now well the first of all I'd like to thank you and I'd like to thank you all for staying so late to put up with me the very briefly I Lincoln's word mean a lot to me personally because he was a great Emancipator and I happened to be from the slaves who were affected by field order number 15 after the Emancipation Proclamation also I have to say that the what Lincoln had to say and what he did has affected our country enormous Lee we know that but it's affected me to know 13th amendment no 14th amendment no 15th amendment my life is different I certainly wouldn't be sitting here and I certainly wouldn't be sitting on the Supreme Court of United States but in his speech you hear this voice that it's perfectible the country is perfectible it's not perfect but perfectible and this great war was all about that and when I go into the building that I work in now that's the theme I try to carry with me and with my clerks it's perfect about it is worth every day getting up and trying to make it right trying to make it work but you can't do that if you don't do it on principle it's not necessarily just about whether it's your methodologies this or that it is whether or not your principles are right and they are the principles of this country so I thank you all I thank you for this opportunity and god bless you you

Channel: The Federalist Society

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Keywords: Clarence Thomas (Author), Diane S. Sykes (Judge), David M. McIntosh (U.S. Congressperson), Supreme Court Of The United States (Court), Lawyer (Occupation), law, legal, federalist, originalism

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Length: 51min 10sec (3070 seconds)

Published: Mon Nov 18 2013

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