AMD Ryzen 5 7600, Ryzen 7 7700 & Ryzen 9 7900 Review & Benchmarks

foreign [Music] box today we are checking out the new 65 watt ryzen at 7000 series of processors from AMD so if the New nonx Zen four parts let's say and I'm sure many of you are aware AMD did first introduce the ryzen 7000 series back in September of last year so about four months ago now and despite being very impressive in terms of performance and many of you faced pretty steep costs if you were to migrate to a new am5 processor because you need a ddr5 memory an expensive am5 motherboard and for that reason many of you just didn't as a result amd's been quite aggressive with price cuts for the 7600x 7700x 7900x and 7950x over the past few months and while that has helped it's only addressed part of the pricing problem as am5 motherboards and ddr5 memory have been slow to come down in price for example today a Bare Bones b650 motherboard will still set you back a hundred and sixty dollars US with very basic x670 boards starting at an absurd 260 dollars then you're looking at around 150 us for a 32 gigabyte kit of ddr5 6000 memory and the low latency cl30 stuff we use to showcase zen4 performance that costs a hundred and eighty dollars U.S in short game is after something like the ryzen 7 700x will need to part with 350 just for the processor then at least 160 dollars for a motherboard and 150 for memory so about a 660 dollar platform upgrade for an am4 owner but even for new system Builders you can purchase the ryzen 750 700x for 200 a decent b550 motherboard for around 120 and a 32 gigabyte kit of ddr4 3600cl16 memory for 110 so a 430 combo that in many gaming scenarios it's really not a great deal slower so I guess the question is can AMD entice more people to the am5 platform with these cheaper non-x models well before we find out today's sponsor spot is brought to you by gigabyte and their Nvidia GeForce RTX 30 series of graphics cards for gamers seeking a premium experience the auris range offers a number of excellent models such as the extreme master and 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performance via overclocking if you so wished unlike the 7600x though the 7600 does come with a box cooler it's only the low profile rev stealth but it does work and it will save you some money on having to buy well another cooler there's also the eight core 16 thread ryzen 7 700 coming in at 330 us and again this is a 65 watt part though it can clock as high as 5.3 gigahertz this model also comes with The Wraith prism cooler which is actually quite a decent quality cooler especially given that it is a box cooler so that's quite a good deal then we have the 430 us 12 core 24 thread ryzen 9 7 900 which can clock as high as 5.4 gigahertz out of the box this is again a 65 watt part and this model also comes with The Wraith prism box cooler now when compared to current ryzen 7000 series pricing we find that the MSRP for the 7600 makes it just 20 dollars cheaper than the lowest 7600x price available right now at 250 though most of the listings are heading back up around 300 so it would seem as though those temporary zenfall price cuts are over at this point and replacing them will be these new non-x models which I guess makes sense now the lowest price the 7600x has hit over the past few months is about 240 dollars so with the 7600x coming in at 230 dollars with a cooler it is the best Zen 4 deal that we've seen yet at least well the most affordable zn4 deal let's say now the 7700x which was introduced at an MSRP of 400 was selling as low as 330 and right now can be had for 350 therefore the 7700 which is set to cost 330 will enter the market around 20 cheaper than the cheapest X version but you also get a quality box cooler so that is a nice bonus then we have the 7900x which landed with an MSRP of 550 but late last year had dropped as low as 440 but at present is back up around 480 so the nonx model is quite an improvement at 430 and again it does have The Wraith prism box cooler so essentially these new non-x models will allow us to officially re-review zen4 at a more affordable price point with slightly better motherboard and memory prices so it'll be interesting to see how they Stack Up now normally I have quite a few application and gaming benchmarks for you but as you're about to see in terms of performance there's generally very little difference between these non-x and X models so rather than spend 20 minutes or so going over dozens upon dozens of graphs I'll speed up the process by reducing the number of applications we're going to look at while skipping most of the individual game results for the 10 game average as for testing I'll be using the GeForce RTX 4090 Windows 11 and resizable bar was enabled for all test configurations okay let's get into it actually before we get into the blue bar graphs here's a look at the all core behavior in cinebench R23 starting with the 7600 by default it runs at a Core Power of 65 Watts with a package power of 90 watts and this allows for a typical all-core clock frequency of 4920 megahertz using the be quiet pure Loop 2 FX 360 millimeter liquid cooler saw a peak diet temperature of 78 degrees now if amd's one-click Auto OC or PBO option the typical operating frequency for this workload only jumped up to 4995 megahertz and that's a mere 75 megahertz bump this did however increase the core power to 75 watts and the package power to 102 Watts for a peak operating temperature of 83 degrees now compare that to the 7600x which sustained an all-core frequency of 5240 megahertz just seven percent higher than that of the nonx part this push Core Power to 85 watts and package power to 115 Watts for an operating temperature of 89 degrees next we have the ryzen 7 700 and this model runs at 4 880 megahertz out of the box for this particular workload resulting in a package power of 90 watts and an operating temperature of 67 degrees then with pbl enabled the frequency jumped up by three and a half percent to five thousand and fifty megahertz and this modest frequency gain increased power usage by a massive 39 to 125 watts which also drastically increase the operating temperature to 87 degrees still that's quite tame when compared to the 7700x which clocks just five percent higher than the stock 7700 for an almost 60 increase in power usage hitting 98 Degrees then we have the 7900 which operates it's 12 cores and an average frequency of 4415 megahertz and this was possible at a package power of just 90 Watts resulting in a peak operating temperature of just 70 degrees enabling PBO boosted the operating frequency by 14 to 5000 and 50 megahertz but it also increased the power usage by 91 to 172 Watts resulting in a 92 degree operating temperature finally the 700x ran at 5200 megahertz 186 Watts for the package power and 95 degrees for the peak operating temperature and here are the cinebench R23 results which confirm everything we just learned about the operating behavior of these CPUs in this workload the 7600 scored 14 344 points and enabling PBO boosted that score by a mere one and a half percent meanwhile out of the box the 7600 was just four percent slower than the 7600x the 7700 scored 18 337 points and here PBO was more useful improving performance by seven percent to get within a few percent of the 7700x then the 7900 scored 25 062 points making it quite a bit slower than the 7900x though that margin was largely closed down simply by enabling PBO making what is essentially a more efficient version of the 7900x looking at the single core performance we find that the 7600x is five percent faster than the 7600 the 7700x is just three percent faster than the 7700 and the 7900x is four percent faster than the 7900 so the margins here are fairly similar between three to five percent faster for those original X models so really not a big difference here and in most instances PBO does a good job of closing that already small Gap now I'm not going to go over all the individual results for the 7-Zip file manager test rather I'll just show you the compression and decompression performance but in short the margins are similar to what we saw in cinebench R23 and that is to say the 7600 was typically just three percent slower than the 7600x the same was also true of the 7700 versus the 7700x well the 7900 was up to eight percent slower than the 7900x Adobe Photoshop 2022 generally only uses one to two cores so this is more of a single core Benchmark and as such we're seeing very little difference between the X and non-x CPUs here around a three percent margin and the last application we're going to look at is blender and again these results are very similar to what was shown in cinebench R23 the 7600x was five percent faster than the 7600 the 7700x four percent faster than the 7700 and the 7900x 12 faster than the 7900 now here's a look at total system power consumption from the 7600 to the 7600x we're looking at a 12 increase in total system consumption and that's for a few percent extra performance making the non-x model the more efficient product then from the 7700 to the 7700x that sees a 21 increase in system consumption for again what amounts to just four percent more performance in this example then we have the 7900 which thanks to its higher core count can afford to run those cores at a much lower frequency allowing for lower voltages and it can do this while still achieving excellent productivity performance and as a result it consumed the same amount of power as the 7600 But incredibly it was 83 percent faster in this example it also meant when compared to the 7900x that the 7900 is far better when it comes to power efficiency the 7900x for example pushed total system usage 50 higher for a mere 12 more performance okay time for the gaming benchmarks and again we're gonna look at the graph for three of the 10 games tested the results are all very predictable starting with Hitman 3 at 1080p we see that the 7600 is just 3fps slower than the 7600x the 7700 just for FPS so on the 7700x and the 7900 10 FPS slower than the 7900x it's a similar story at 1440p so really it's only this 7900x that offers a noticeable performance gain over its non-x part and even here we're only talking about a four percent increase The Horizon zero Dawn performance is even closer between the X and non-x models the 7900 and 700x delivered identical performance while the 7600x was one percent faster than the 7600 it's the same story at 1440p so at least in this example it doesn't really matter which model you use the performance is going to be much the same cyberpunk 2077 is a very CPU demanding and therefore utilizes these parts well it's also sensitive to frequency so we are seeing some variation in the results here that said the 7900 versus 7900x Battle which sees the largest difference in operating behavior only resulted in a seven percent performance variation in this game the margin is reduced to just three percent for the 7700 versus 7700x matchup and five percent for the 7600 versus the 7600x and it's a similar story at 1440p and here it is the 10 game average starting with the 1080p data the 7600 was on average just four percent slower than the 7600x the 7700 just five percent slower than the 7700x and the 7900 just four percent slower than the 7900x now these aren't big margins and for those who care about productivity performance we'll find these non-x CPUs to make a lot more sense given that significantly more efficient and operate at much lower temperatures but you can also see why AMD went about things the way they did these non-x parts don't look nearly as impressive on a graph when compared to Intel's 13th gen range the 7700x for example is just a few frames slower than the 13900k and that sees it takes second spot the 7700 though which is just a few percent slower is more of a Midfield contender in this graph trailing the 13 700k by a slim margin now as you'd expect at these slightly more GPU bound 1440p resolution and I do only mean slightly more GPU bound the margins closed up a little here the 7700 is now four percent slower than the 7700x so just a one percent decrease there compared to what we saw at 1080p overall the nonx parts are at most four percent slower here now for a look at cooling performance using the supplied box cooler and we'll start with the 7600 using The Wraith stealth when placed under an all-core workload instead of bench for an hour installed inside an ATX case with a room temperature of 21 degrees this combo peaked at 97 degrees so very hot that said we knows N4 processors Target a 95 degree TJ Maxx and are designed to do so at least according to AMD and we saw no evidence of throttling under these test conditions so the 7600 performed as expected and for reference under the exact same test conditions the 7600 peaked at 78 degrees with a 360 millimeter AIO next we have the 7700 with The Wraith prism which is a far more impressive cooler and the results here are far better than what we saw with the 7600 slash stealth combo with the prism the 7700 peaked at 79 degrees so well below the 95 degree TJ Maxx that's a pretty great result given that a 360 millimeter IO saw a peak temperature of 73 degrees then finally we have the 7900 which again comes with The Wraith prism this time we again sorry picked temperature of 79 degrees so another great result and for reference the 7900 peaked at 70 degrees using a 360 millimeter liquid cooler okay so amd's New nonx Zen 4 CPU is a lot like their nonx Zen 3 CPUs which are all like the nonx zen2 CPUs which were a lot like I guess I'll stop there we could go on for a bit further but I think the point is that they're they're pretty much exactly what you would have been expecting a cheaper and ever so slightly slower version of the X counterpart basically in the past I've always recommended you buy the cheaper nonx version and I've done this for a few reasons firstly they are generally cheaper and deliver comparable performance they're more efficient they're also unlocked so you can just overclock them to achieve full performance anyway and they typically come with a box cooler which you can sell on eBay if you don't need it The Wraith prison for example that generally sells for like 30 to 40 US which is pretty crazy given you can get a really good quality Tower style cooler for that price so I'd say assuming that the non-x parts are at least 20 U.S cheaper I'd probably go that way sell the cooler and pocket the difference I'm also a lot happier with how these non-x models behave out of the box they're significantly more efficient and if you want to overclock them for maximum performance so power efficiency be damned well you can still do that now I thought we might as well create an updated cost per frame analysis for this content so let's go do that before I do though a bucket list of disclaimers firstly the angle here is for new system Builders or those upgrading the entire platform so not someone who's already well invested in a relatively modern or current generation platform such as am4 or LGA 1700 if already on am4 you'd probably just opt for a 5700x or 5800x3d and if on LJ 1700 with a lower and 12th gen part you'd probably just look at getting a 13th gen upgrade so for this cost per frame analysis I will be including the current retail price of the CPU a 32 gigabyte kit of memory and a budget motherboard since most of you seem to like Min maxing your motherboard and CPU which I get now because this is a new system build slash complete platform upgrade value analysis we're focusing exclusively on ddr5 memory for platforms that support it for Budget builds ddr4 still has its place but that's not what we're looking at today having said all of that though the am4 CPUs were obviously tested with ddr4 memory as they don't support ddr5 and here I'll be using ddr4 3600cl16 memory which is available for 110 us in a 32 gigabyte kit though this will be a little bit slower than the cl14 memory that I used for our testing and you could also save even more money on a cl18 kit they're about 80 us but that is quite a bit slower than what we tested with and would really throw off the numbers given that the am4 CPUs are getting slightly slower and much cheaper ddr4 memory for this value analysis compared to what we actually tested with I'm going to do the same with the ddr5 configurations opting for 150 usdr5 6000 memory and I've also given the Raptor Legacy CPU is the same price despite the cheapest ddr5 6400 memory coming in at 175 US I would expect to see a similar performance decline for Zen 4 and rap like CPUs using the ddr5 6000 cell 36 memory compared to what is shown in the video and if that doesn't sound fair please do keep in mind that the ddr5 memory use tests the AMD and Intel CPUs in this video both cost around 170 to 180 USD also because we are using ddr5 memory exclusively for the Intel 12th and 13th gen CPUs as I feel you really should when building a brand new system the cheapest LGA 1700 motherboards available supporting ddr5 memory cost 160 USD and that is for a z690 model it's 170 for a b670 190 for a b660 which is a bit odd and then 200 for a z790 so let's go with the cheapest z690 option at 160 dollars for am5 the cheapest b650 boards are also 160 with x670 priced well north of 200 then for am4 you have a mountain of options there plenty of solid boards for as little as 120 U.S so we'll go with that price point again you can also get cheap ddr4b660 boards for Intel CPUs but for new system Builders looking at spending more than 200 on their CPU I'm not convinced buying one of those boards at the moment along with ddr4 memory would be the right choice again I'd be more inclined to that with a budget focused build okay so with all of that out of the way let's go over the data based on current retail pricing it'll come as no surprise to learn the ryzen 5 5600 offers the best value here given that it can be had for as little as 135 U.S though stock at this price might be drying up for example at the time of creating this video very few listings were still online so it's hard to say what the future is for that part now looking at the 7600x it's interesting to learn that at the current asking price of 250 it actually offers the same value as the 7600 so the notx version ignoring the fact that it you know doesn't come with a cooler and I do expect the 7600x to increase in price back towards the 300 us MSRP now that the 7600 is available and of course we will look at that sort of pricing soon but for now at least the 7600 doesn't really change the value proposition still in terms of value both do Slaughter the core i5 13600k which currently costs 320 us now you could reduce the cost of the core i5 build by around a hundred dollars with cheaper ddr4 memory on a b660 motherboard but even if we take the same 221 FPS which was achieved with more expensive ddr5 memory that would only place it roughly on part of the 7600 in terms of value and we know from previous testing that the 3600k is at least eight percent slower on average using more affordable ddr4 memory so it would seem as though at present AMD has managed to be Intel in terms of value for the 7600 7600x versus 13600k Battle now the ryzen 7 700 is interesting because again it is slightly worse value than the 7700x which is currently selling for just 345 us but again could head back towards the MSRP now the 7700 is on the market for those of you building a new system the 7700x makes more sense than any of the eight core am4 options including the 5800x3d as you're getting slightly better performance at a similar cost per frame on a newer platform supporting ddr5 memory with just a much better upgrade path for gamers the 7700 also beats the 13700k in terms of value offering a similar level of performance at a lower price point having said all of that though if productivity is a priority then ignore everything I just said the 3700k might be the better option here depending on your workload then we have the 7900 which is a very nice CPU but also doesn't really make sense for gamers you're just much better off with a single CCD ryzen 7 part and even for productivity you might as well just get the 7950x or 1300k though power usage and thermal issues make the core I9 a lot less practical as a productivity CPU and while you can tune it for better power consumption and thermals it does make it slower while no such compromise is necessary for the 7950x what's clear to me is Zen's position has certainly been strengthened since our initial reviews the more affordable 65 watt Parts which are also much more sensible out of the box coupled with the much cheaper b650 motherboards means the platform is now viable and in my opinion the obvious choice over am4 for new system Builders outside of budget builds of course that said this was also sort of true before the arrival of these new 65 watt Parts as AMD has aggressively cut prices over the past few months but these new parts make that pricing official and there is a good chance that the X parts will head back towards their respective msrps and if they do pricing will look more like this and at that point I'd highly recommend you ignore them and just go for the nonx 65 watt models instead of course all of that said what I'd recommend right now is sticking with my recommendation for the last few months and that is to do nothing until next month when we get to see what the 3D vcash versions of the 7800 X 3D 7900x3d and 7950x3d have to offer it's not going to be too long now guys those parts should really shake up the market and they could even Force Intel into some aggressive price Cuts so fingers crossed on that one oh and as a side note I have purchased the core I3 13 100 Core i5 13 400 and core i5 13 500 actually I also got the core i7 13 700 as well Intel announced those parts at CES but for whatever reason unlike AMD Intel doesn't sample their locked processors so we've had to go and purchase them and they should arrive 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Length: 25min 59sec (1559 seconds)

Published: Mon Jan 09 2023