A Plant Based Diet and the Effect on Viral Diseases | Interview with Dr. T. Colin Campbell

today's live show and I apologize around a little bit late it seems the technology only doesn't work when we have a superstar on as a guest not to say that all my guests aren't super stars in their own right but this gentleman really is he has been doing what he's been doing longer that I've been alive and I've been alive a pretty long time I'm 60 years old now many people like myself consider him really the father of nutritional medicine the plant-based movement he really is an icon and I wouldn't venture to say he probably is the most beloved person in the plant-based movement and if you ever go on the vegan cruise they introduce you kind of or order of hierarchy and how important you are and they always say save this gentleman for last and he always gets a standing ovation I would say that I spend most of my time interviewing doctors for this show and for summits and more people were influenced by his work to become plant-based eaters and help their patients I think than anyone else last week we had his son on a couple of days ago we had his daughter-in-law on I'm sure we're gonna have his other son on very soon it is an honor a privilege and a pleasure to be able to spend time with dr. T Colin Campbell thank you so much for being here I'm just so excited to get to talk to you thank you so much you're so immensely complimentary it's incredible thank you oh it's not I mean it that's the thing I mean I I just I love you so much and what you've done in your family I mean I think of you as plant-based royalty so you know what can I tell you and I just I don't know who's gonna fill your shoes you know even though you've got all these wonderful children there's nobody quite like you so what can I tell you and I know we're gonna have so many people here today breaking the internet wanting to talk to you we've even asked people to email in questions but I don't think that some people realize you're actually not a medical doctor so we cannot have you be answering their medical questions we'll save those for Tom correct so what what have you been doing these past you know nine weeks or so since we've been sheltering at home how has the pandemic affected you and your work especially the same thing I'm learning how to use this virtual lecturing business that's for sure that's an amazing technology that's really now coming into his own with all of this and so yeah I've been writing and and uh you know doing everything is obviously and things like that so we finally got some Sun here in this part of the country there's been not ice so we've just planted some vegetables yesterday next if you live in you live in New York right yeah upstate New York correct Wow so we're so when it when it's like 90 to 100 here it's probably like 40 or 50 where you live that's you're literally correct I think that's absolutely true yeah you must like it though because you've been there a long time yeah we have I came here for graduate school at Cornell University and August 1st 1956 and I think that was before you were born I think you're right AJ I've been in the profession actually since or that day it was August 1st 1950 safestone I'm going on am i what is that 64th year that's incredible you know you're such a trailblazer dr. Campbell and so many people look to you as is the reason that they're doing what they're doing but who did you have to inspire you because who was before you doing this nobody well I had lots of people I oh I mess you've not even gratitude all kinds of people my dad and mom of course so your thought was my dad was always into you know telling the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth yeah I heard that so many times well he was a farmer he had a couple years education actually and he he went out of his way to make sure I got an education and you know had a future in front of me and I eat just a mention just briefly just to illustrate the point we were over fifty miles west of Washington DC when I was raised on a farm milking cows I drove to school back and forth over a hundred miles a day just to go to high school because of his passion for me getting an education so that's why I answer the question but a lot of people now in the more recent years in the last fifty eight years the more recent years by or lust of my wife Karen she made eat what she fixes write what she fixes and so yeah we got into it together had children obviously yeah that's why it was well you know your granddaughter came in during the demo that Kim was doing and I said do you have any idea who your grandfather is I said is this is he is he just grandpa to you do you understand that he's dr. Colin Campbell I think she didn't understand like growing up what a big deal you were yeah yes she knew existed but that's that's the way it was family relationships the best of the Worlds actually what's so nice is you're so humble because you're you know you're like the equivalent in the plant-based world of like like Mick Jagger like a rock star and you're always so kind people just hover around you and on the cruise everybody wants your time and you're so kind to people you know you don't push them away you don't get angry and I really appreciate that about you well thank you very much I try to respect others that's for sure does it ever get overwhelming being you know actually I like my work you know I felt like I had a purpose in a sense when I went to graduate school and not long thereafter was on a faculty I I really like science and I make this comment here at the start when I say I like science I'm not talking about I like to scientific institutions because science itself as an institution is not terribly popular these days with the public to be honest about it and there's good reason there's good reason because the scientific enterprise if you will and my estimation in academia have to say and also in government policy why participate as well I mean you know there's a tremendous influence from the corporate sector into the scientific community and so when the public reacts to you know something scientific they're all sometimes really reacted to something they're not aware of their reaction to what is being said by people who are abiding by whatever corporate interests are not a very good system so when I say I like science I like it because when I was quite young I was really quite young I got academic tenure when I was in my 30s which is fairly young for that and that enabled me to have so-called academic freedom now I wasn't the only other people but that all that's about disappeared and so I had a lifetime now more than 50 years a lifetime of you know being able to say what I wanted to say and that was that was important because had I not had that opportunity I would not be sitting here now saying what I'm saying is that simple because there's a lot of pushback a lot of pushback and if somebody came to be very very serious that's a story into itself unto herself and so yeah so what Martin 20 now to come back to my main point science yes if I could describe just briefly what science says because I'm not sure there's that well respected even in well in the new fishing committee for sure nor I would suggest not in the plant-based community either as much as I would like to see it namely science is that what I call the art of observation anybody can be a scientist and in many ways we see something we observe something maybe we have questions okay weird questions about it so typically what we do we say okay I'm going to hypothesize such as such is true and I can hypothesize that the moon is made out of cheese if I want to take it you make my point we can say anything you would want to say whatever your interpretation is so particular observation then it's our then it's our responsibility as the person making a statement it's tell responsibilities improve with evidence or do experiments to prove with evidence that what we thought was true is true so let's say we get some results sometimes a result of don't go away obviously gotta be honest about it sometimes it does go our way and then a depth is a good point in time we generally speaking were required to write it down you know put it in a journal publish it and get feedback that's really critical that's what period he was all about we have to submit it for publication and professional journal and if we get pushed back you know there's somebody said hey you're all wrong it either doesn't get published or they may let it go but we've gotta be able to answer it which raises another very important point we've got to be able to accept criticism we've got to be prepared to be wrong so if there's a rigger there's a rigger there's the system in this business that we try to talk about theoretical I foresee these things ideologically there's a there's a system by which we you know face the facts if you will or don't face the facts and we got to do that the same with friends as well as people we may not know so well and reasons we're going on about this age a one more one more thing well no wedded to this business being raised on a farm it was all about consuming enough protein in that make animal based protein that was it and so when I went away to graduate school in fact at that point in time I did buy a doctoral dissertation on trying to advance the cause of consuming animal protein and that was published and so I was I was in the game you know just like you're with a rest the crowd then when I had my first faculty position at Virginia Tech I was actually being paid by my salaries being paid by grant from the US State Department and so in that case I was going back to force the Philippines a lot with my senior colleagues and we were organizing a program to feed malnourished children that was a lesson that was an experience really almost impossible to describe but the idea there was to make sure these kids got enough protein like we're doing in the West so here I am coming farm all that protein to they standing even thought about it probably didn't you know producing milk good protein going to college graduate school I should say and then during doctoral dissertation of dancer protein go the Philippines making sure these comes she's got enough protein and what I saw was something really at odds with that a few individuals a few individual families that were getting enough protein like we're doing West their kids seem to have a higher risk of getting liver cancer so that was odd to say the least banana was a study out of India usually several animals they kind of supported that idea higher protein and iron cancer so I was presented with a dilemma I came back home and gotten a grant from NIH to continue up to the next 27 years and lots of other grants but in any case the question was is it true that animal protein can increase cancer that was it that was the issue that was against my own personal beliefs that was here's my background you get everything and it also also against the tradition of the committee if you will and we got results and we got results estate yes animal proteins a problem a big problem nothing like it then I had a choice to make do I go along with the crowd in science because as at that time everybody believed not just the public but everybody in my profession so animal protein is worse starts breakfast lunch and dinner do I go against that tradition do I go again just a tradition of my of my family of the farm family do I go against the tradition of the rural people I know you know and one of them I mean I had to try to think about that so we we kept doing experiments you know over and over different ways and finally after couple of years there was no question about it animal protein is a problem in fact the protein we were using the casein to be specific the protein at that particular time was judged to be the highest quality protein okay so we drink milk and the dairy industry promoted etcetera etc and at that particular point in time here I was challenging something pretty sacred do I you know do I jump ship do i I might have I don't know why I would over not but you know I had tenure but this time I was saying it like it is and I kept that up for the next 40 years but that was only the first observation there were many others I ended up as I kept going all the time and just learning for myself and my students and I had lots of great students and and it was a lot of fun yeah you always felt good about if you go to sleep at night that whatever you did if it didn't turn it the way it sort of would then you think again do it over again but you can only live with the truth all right over the truth like so I may be a pain under you know what to some friends at times wasn't in the plant-based community I have to say of whether this was a public well I have to live by what I lived why and that is they either accept or somebody wants to challenge me that's that's great I love challenge that's not a problem but all like all I can say is there sorry about that all I can say is that if anybody wants to challenge me it's their business and now I'm willing to be jealous as I said come and tell me what you have show me the data and I want to see it you know any good reliable form so that's me I went out too long for your interview but I I did want to make that point because our conversation may center all that so that might not I might not say things that you who agree with but just take your take afford it is what you I don't know you could never go on too long and in geni wants to know if your career if your convictions has your career suffered at all because of your convictions yeah I could say yes big time I mean the word chat there were one time I was on a national academy panel back in 1980 80 and 82 was doing some research that's when I came up with the word plant-based nutrition by the way because I didn't want to use the word vegetarian because that was kind of that was on the other side of the fence form what we thought but in any case in and I was on that panel and we Porter native report' the National Academy signs that on diet nutrition cancer only 13 of us on that panel worked a couple of years and then I was the one who actually gave the testimony before congressional committees as a result of what we said and we said something really simple was so simple each of vegetables you know cut down a pattern take it was pretty simple but it was pretty striking for those days so the industry got really upset as a result there was a petition to have me thrown out of my society which was my professional Society would have had been the end of my career and so there was actually a hearing in Washington believe it or not because all I was doing is telling the truth well they failed that would be the first time in history of that society and then thereafter things did fly my way a lot somebody when a couple of cases tried to get me thrown out of Cornell Chris but this time I'm a full professor tenured session cetera that didn't work either thank goodness and then I got a extension of the China project a big grant there for seven million dollars you know the three or four years later and that was awarded that was awarded judge to be you know high-quality pay line all that sort of stuff but then they turned it down because there was a rumor that I have lists I had committed fraud in China so you know that's that's just some of the things so I get yet to be honest about it yeah that that was a cost and some other things that are cents but you know what the only way I could live with that was I said you look at a positive way and I said well that's an opportunity you know it was an opportunity for me to be able to be in that position to see what what kind of pushback in common I can therefore see where we do get pushback has been very valuable for this whole plant-based movement for me at least and so you know I kind of stuck with it and the second book we did was hold and I wrote it in there I'm dedicated to all my crazy so yeah that's that's what it is and still today I find myself you know on the wrong end of the stick according to some of my colleagues of friends but it's been very exciting because the work their work we ended up doing and living we lived it we live what we learned you know thanks to my wife as I said who you know short chase and her food and stuff like that so it just became so convincing and then of course I started meeting some people the first ones that was John module who had a radio station 1 million comet Elenin station and he's turned out to be a great friend that he was doing something you know was patience not necessarily from you know all this background I had nutrition but still he was doing something and he was he was boots on the ground and doing stuff and short work and then a coda lecithin called and we Steph was a great relationship and what her conference of his and denoise with straight off and I get named I only hesita then name too many names but people like Alan gold hammer for a different kind of race than Doug Lyall pam popper and those early today's I suddenly just was making prints with a lot of people who were sort of in this field doing something for the people it wasn't not being a physician I couldn't go out and do that quite a thing although in China we had a big study there with humans but it's different kind so yeah it's uh so I would not but I was complicated by friendship you know what's with these other people obviously so yeah so it's only only a technical matter that I was getting pushed back for as I'm concern so many people are saying how they went vegan because of your book and gave up dairy because of your book are you the one who actually coined the term plant-based yes I did I was very conscientious and this was the night somewheres in a period of 1978 and 79 at that time I was on a Committee of the National Institutes of Health specifically a National Cancer Institute they were the ones you know plenty my working shows only committee there and this committee is called a study section for any scientist who may be listening I was on a study session that was on chemical carcinogenesis that was my other heteros were wearing and they were I know was 15 of us there's a very formal process by the way very rigorous very formal our charge is to determine who gets the grants while the grants come in NIH and they get reviewed and so they have a committee of so-called experts who review who gets the grandstand who don't and I was only a committee and so at that time Naja 1779 in most of research coming in was how to investigate cancer which I was doing too at the time and and but that was the only one on the committee of 14 to 15 of us of what it was who actually was in the air of nutrition so I was always being assigned these applications that had a leaning toward nutrition and and I I got that and I was being overburden of what a bit because all of a sudden it was just interest in nutrition so the rest of committee who were pathologists oncologists molecular geneticists and so forth they wanted me to take some time in the next meeting we'd made three times a year the next meeting to take a couple of hours and just explain what does nutrition mean they they weren't trained in nutrition most of them are MDS and th not on nutrition so I had to think about that and I knew that at that time this mind you this is 78 79 so I was thinking about what to say one of the words that came to mind was vegetarian but I didn't want to use that word the vegetarians were actually demonstrating to somebody stay outside of my lab to be honest about it because we were using experimental animals so every Asian wasn't on their side from that point of view and the word vegan I never even heard of it at that time that didn't come until ten years later but in any case at that time I was going to the meeting you know saying okay I'm gonna a couple of hours here we're going to talk about nutrition and I thought to myself I don't want to use the V word as much respect as I have for that motivation now they do that's not the issue this great motivation to become you know that's just earned a vegan whatever the case might be that's not the issue it's just a fact that if that is the only if that's the only thrust of this argument for the public it hasn't done very well to be honest about it it's been a hard sell because the cell is on the basis of ethics know who can who can be against ethical behavior I mean as a fact you know so well like that but the fact is I I figured for myself coming from the outside of the community that that was not the reason I got into this it wasn't just not had nothing to do with it I wanted to rely on the idea of science so I was trying to think of something what I could say and it was kind of an awkward term I thought at the time so an old case plant-based let's call a plant-based that's what I told the committee and then I published on that a couple years later so eventually then I got to a second word there having to do with the idea that nutrition works when it's in a whole food form it doesn't work as single nutrients that's the same way so then the concept whole food plant-based came to mind and that was a publisher I know as early as 85 I think I had something even before that to go back and look but yeah I and now and that's that kind of that didn't that didn't wasn't picking up there it wasn't picked up at that time sorry about that I picked dime right away but it was in due course and funny I think it was about nineteen early 1990s that and I was always always saying hopeful my base and everyone else the same thing kind of imaginary I mean obviously being a vegetarian community's great communities they want become a speaker stuff like that but it was a little awkward say hey I didn't get it for this week I mean that's kind of no sense of making an argument or not no argument excess but I also had to be true to myself and so you know we have a nice really nice relationship with baking groups and uh but I also like to say that I came to us through science and I go the reason I make that point it's kind of personal in a way if he tries if if this movement is going to succeed and move forward yes it makes a seed would make Invicta the ethical argument this yeah I don't understand that it makes they say just some instead but haven't been policy at the national and international levels so much no that's not going to sell all that much it's going to sell to people who aspire to you know the ethical argument but in reality if we look at the nutritional characteristics of bigger diets another that's not that great the instill is consuming a lot of refined carbohydrates and fat especially especially for vegans and vegetarians 90% of study is in dairy so that's why I can't can't quite manage those words well I I do a spin-off your plant-based and I tell people I'm plant exclusive you I I instead of plant-based I like to tell people I'm plant exclusive because basically that's good that's good yeah I'm worried taste you can still have a little other stuff but if I'm plan to exclusive you know when you were talking about whether or not your career was was compromised because of your beliefs Julie says as an academic I was horrified to see how you were treated at your university as Cornell University updated their acceptance of your research I think that was the last sentence what you say do as Cornell University updated their acceptance of your research no and you know I love you I love Cornell and just to prove that point my immediate your children and myself we have seven degrees from Cornell so I think I'm you know I'm a cornelian true true low but on the one hand I had to be honest to again the chairman of our department to be specific in the later years was say everybody knew this he was a very substantial consultant for the dairy industry and he is the one who pulled my class in the 1990s out of the catalog and some 35,000 students signed a petition to get real estate wasn't reinstated right well he was also very powerful figure in Washington he was a director of the food nutrition board he was the chairman of the dietary guidelines committee and that's another story I don't want to get into that here but but on the campus he started a movement but he wasn't alone he wasn't alone and then his successor did the same thing and finally I became almost I guess you could say persona non grata as far as that group was concerned a lot of great friends great faculty at the university but just those few individuals were corrupting our environment by their association with the industry period it's very it's very serious and that's why I make that point before about academic freedom that you know academia I would stay not just a corner across the land and academia has been compromised on this question because academic freedom has been declining in recent years and so in more recent times they have any you know there were two things as far as my rotation of Cornell's concern one is that I there's a communication department of Cornell there's a great it's a great department they really they they really did were very supportive of my work from for God's thirty years continuously that Carl Sagan and I were the two who suppose it's the biggest file so I was told but in any case we were flying high everything's great with that department but then finally when we put our course online it went through a private foundation you know partnering with the emerging online program of the university we did that and we surfaced as number one for some one course and then the they wanted to write an article on me to talk about the brag about this fact that our course had become number one at a couple hundred courses that was blocked that was blocked and it really was blocked officially by the president's office who himself was a vegetarian so why was he blocked that's the question I reminded him I said I think you're violating I can't be afraid of but he said he had the message was advisers who were his advisors his advisors a Dean of Agriculture the head of our department nutritional science and so forth so you see it gets serious and so then the book him out the chatter study came out and they like to list books even today they've not listed acknowledged the fact that the China Study even exists even though it's been translated at 50 languages there's sold three million copies it doesn't exist and then they had pictures so faculty on the wall and yeah all the faculty my my picture was removed that's how far they some of these yeah I can only say they're fools some of the individuals who get caught up in this stuff and they're but at the same time to be charitable I guess he could say or try to understand they are operating within an environment they're operating within an environment that's but basically controlled and I am very passionate about this I want to tell the whole country and I want to tell the whole country about academic academia is a great place to work you know I love academia but on the other hand academia is being sold it's being sold down the stream that's gotten worse in recent years especially in dairy territories like nutrition or maybe farmers pharmacology or shows in another hand I was wearing I was both inform ecology and attrition professionally in pharmacology drug companies they own they don't work or wherewithal in their nutrition areas the livestock industry owns us or maybe the processed food but in any case yeah I'm just wondering I'm you can quote me as much as you want on this air I want a sound an alarm to the public the academic freedom has declined in the last 40 years we got real data on that so now now there's only in 2011 the latest figures I had only 9% of all academics had tenure and full professorships I was one of the nine percent that was in 2011 it's getting worse I don't want to have recent figures but then there was an overt attempt to basically subvert universities and this academic freedom idea and we could talk about it all day long I've got real data to talk about but academic freedom has declined and as a result the public is not getting to the truth you know from the academics they're just not getting in the truth because they own an extra policy guidelines as well and they essentially do and so I I'm really you know they say it could not be stronger in my my views on this I have lived it I have seen it I can talk about example after example after example I spent about 20 years in national policy development on those committees not only determine who gets a researcher who does it but also being on policy committees as well so I've seen it from A to Z and the public doesn't have a very good I don't think it probably has very good impression from my point of view about science quote-unquote or you're gonna call it yeah but what the public is correct to a great extent I think they've overboard to so much that but the public is thinking that you know sorry they want to believe that you know academics are involved in policy and all ashore stuff that they're experts and as people as personal friends yeah everybody's trying her best and I'm Eddie I mean their next-door neighbors they're great people but those who do not have tenure if they want to keep their job they've got to be careful so now we have faculty so-called faculty being hired as instructors being underpaid and they got it may be hired for a year or two or five or whatever it is and if they if they stray or estate strays it stray off the course like I did I can tell you it's all over but the shouting so who's gonna you know how many people are in a position mid mid-career or in their younger lives to speak up and what they really learn what they find out well I learned something I didn't believe it at the beginning but I had to you know and that's that's what gave me the the background to speak as I did and so I'm really actually set and I should probably get this information once and for all we got to change well Michelle wants to know how do you not hold a grudge and how come you're not bitter you know as I said before I don't I really don't you may think I'm kind of odd but I really don't because these are a few individuals who have very powerful in a sense and you know they do get in control of major third departments and so forth and so on but the fact of the matter is I I sail with a benefactor of that nonsense and so it allows me to come out and have some fun and tell the story so yeah I can't add I can't really hold a grudge against that is there were things the night of wish I could have had probably the single most important thing that I think we lost was the extension to the China project that was an additional seven million dollars to go back to China and organize a program involving a half a million people and doing in a way in which we could learned a lot more but that didn't happen then that's that's a price that's not a price I just paid personally better price the public is paying because what we wanted to do was to collect blood samples from all these individuals and the Chinese government was arranged for this we're gonna talk what blood samples from 500,000 people every two years stored them in little Alec plants and then eventually when there was a sufficient number of cases of some particular disease that occurred we can go back to those blood samples and we could trace we could trace in the blood samples it exactly might what what might have changed you know from the lab point of view what might have changed them to allow that person to become and whatever it is to become infected every get his diseases and I still think was a great idea but now it's really not possible we work hard on that and I actually went so far you know we're told we are aborted money I can't I went to Washington to get the money and the the one Institute brought a check for $200,000 was down payment put on the table fine that was the Cancer Institute but there was a couple of other Institute's who was going to participate too and they threw up a letter on the table that said Campbell's our fraud and it wasn't even signed and they wanted to take that as their instrument to question my my my honesty and they they won they were able to do that I guess I couldn't take to the court or going to the newspapers or something of that sort but I was too busy and doing doing other things so yeah well telling one more comment I I have to tell you even though they will not stay this necessarily I'm speaking up for my fellow colleagues they don't need to say something whether they agree or disagree but I'm actually speaking up for that community of people great people you know who if we had total freedom everybody had total freedom and have these kind of debates and discussions and so forth and so on the public would gain all of my money all the money I had we got generous amounts of funding over the years all that came from the taxpayer so here's a university deciding when they take in the money they act like the bank and they just fence the money according to wallet we want to spend it on so that's what what works there they're taking public money that I want to totally 100% on my own and then decide and hey you can't tell the public what you learned as thought it comes down to so I don't they benefit from your your course cuz it is eCornell no it's not yeah that's right well the course yeah I should say that on the course it was canceled my class was cancelled so I fought that a bit and went through the right ropes and so forth and at that time there was a new program that the university was just adopting it was a little online program and a lot of the faculty weren't very favorable to that I was one of the 85% was not in favor to be honest because we thought we should be teaching in the classroom it was in early days and so this new program which was a private company but wholly owned by Cornell they were going to handle his own line stuff and so I was told taking over the online thing they thought they had thrown me out to Siberia so I took the course to the online operation and partnered our foundational private nonprofit partnered with the company Cornell owned okay that's what became our course now over the years it really has that that program has grown and now I think that program has gotten a good reputation a lot of universities gotten into online teaching and but now it's going back to the university again and you know I'm well aware of that but I we've come too far and so I think that everything will be fine and there now there's some people that especially the students since I left my formal teaching on the campus I'm still emeritus now you have all the privileges of a faculty member I've had been invited each year since I stopped the formal teaching by students large numbers of students to come back to speak and that was a bit of a challenge for for a little while with some of the students but the students have been State and of course they were I just spoke recently to even ask what do you call it virtual learning process a bunch of students got together and I spoke to that group of people I don't know how many would worse forget what the number was but so the students and that's the other that's the other group of people and people who are not getting a fair shake and in a case like I'm talking about or the students and their families who pay the money for them to go to school so I love the students that was that was my life you know working with students especially graduate student aggressive grouches both and they've gone off and done gotten good careers from themselves I've given number of lectures wherever they've gone I've been invited to to their universities or other places well saying that you should get a Nobel Prize for your lifelong work I don't know you know I I'm really anxious that the truth be told in this field nutrition is as you know you you know you've had your own each person that you know it works you know it works by eating only plants for whatever reason we all may have gotten into it you know it's sort of personal interest but still the the idea is sound regardless so we may be or what we think it's really sound and I think the most recent illustration of a problem is the kovin experience it's this stuff that Roth will be concerned about this crisis we're now living in and I think that's sort of front and center with an ID at the moment because we have um it's I'm just in the process that now sort of getting us out there but we actually had data in China from a China study and that for those who don't know we did this base study in China that involved eventually a hundred and seventy villages and eight thousand nine hundred people adults and so forth and so on collect all kinds information and and back we had information on it on for viruses in China one of which we studied in some detail and looking back at that information it's very clear that in fact it's more than clear it's we have the statistical information on this that there's a nutrition component to this coronavirus story and the nutrition component is not paid too much attention to right now most people if you listen to even scientists they have to say but these are scientists who have been trained in nutrition so they're not aware of it either but most people think that a viral disease like our corona virus it's not going to be influenced by you know stuff more like we're talking about right I say wrong really wrong and there's maneuver is not enough thing for information around we had an information in Chinese to show that people who consume the most plants had greater amount of antibodies period highly highly significant at the same time most of the people were dying from this disease or older they've been compromised by having the wrong nutrition during their lives so he's got heart disease diabetes cancer and so forth and so on they're the ones most susceptible to the corner of virus Provost and so this whole food beverage that were setting to levels from the data we had it was a really good day someone's been published the the the the whole food plant-based diet in fact the use of words actually will actually reach reverse in many cases as you know people who do have the diabetes who do have the heart disease hopefully do as a cancer maybe it'll reverse that and do it pretty fast you know with diabetes you probably know the story I mean you'll burn are just some others have done this if people go on that on this diet to diabetics type 2 diabetics their use of insulin drops so fast that don't decrease the dosage of the is undertaking they can go into hypoglycemic shock that's so powerful the diet yes and it happens within days to be honest about it so I'm saying that the evidence we have in our studying in China involving a different virus is a more serious fire risk if you can believe it it's the virus that causes cancer it may in fact it may be the most significant virus in the history of the world it's a very serious virus and so we working with the hepatitis B virus and people say oh that's hepatitis B that's not that's not a corner virus and I have to back them up on that because every strain of virus has its own sort of collection of symptoms we we understand that it ranges from serious conceptions of the lung in the corner virus case maybe their courageous to cancers to you know a variety of things so all these different viruses they're very specific for the kind of symptoms they may cause but they're all common in one sense when they infect a host the host reacts by defending itself that's true for all of them essentially and they use their immune system to do that and so what operates more or less to one virus as far as the administration is concerned it's the same immune system essentially it's very complex system but nonetheless the reaction is going to be either try to get rid of that virus period and so the whole food plant-based diet and that data we have from China first off this is liver cancer this change we're talking about basically doing that gets these older folks like myself get these people back off onto a good nutritional basis and you're less susceptible to the virus that's one thing secondly they actually formed more antibodies that's what our data show and so I think I think it just may be a moment in time when the whole story about nutrition I'd like to think it was nutrition but in this case nutrition provided by you know the whole food plant-based diet well this may be a time and JE when we can really start talking about the extraordinary property of this kind of nutrition and yeah Wow dr. Campbell would you like to show your slides would you like to take questions but for if you don't mind I'd like to share one thing with the the audience I think they know you're very serious about your work but I don't think people realize that you also have a wonderful sense of humor and I don't know if you remember this but we actually met a little over 10 years ago when you spoke at Loma Linda and I was hired by dr. Hans Diehl to chef the meal that you were there and we started you know if emailing each other and I had emailed you to tell you the story about a friend of mine that was in the hospital for colon cancer and for the second time and he was having surgery and we asked him if we could bring him anything and he said McDonald's well as somebody who's been an ethical vegan I wouldn't do that anyway but what we did is we did get a hold of the McDonald's bag and we put in the book the China Study in the bag and then left it with him and I told you that story and I'm reading this email from March 12 2010 and this is what you wrote me back you wrote super actually the books paper does have some fiber and this is said to reduce colon cancer occurrence I probably would have worked so I just want people to know that you do have a very good sense I put on 10 years worth of things do you hope your legacy will be I mean the thing that's so greatest your all your children are in nothing I just met your granddaughter who's a nurse I mean they're carrying on the family tradition but you know I think that there's so many people that aren't appreciated and proven right until after they're gone like like Semmelweis you know I remember the guy who's told they don't have so you have to wash hands that's why children are dying and mothers are not childbirth and he was laughed at in scoff and so there are people that that later on become icons so what do you hope your legacy will be with with your body of work and what your life has been well that's for other people to determine I don't want a director face you know this but in in reality I just I know it's been a maybe it's this I wanted to elevate science if there's something that it should have been once once was more or less i want to elevate to a really uh and classy career in many ways whether you're participating in the laboratory or whatever you know at that level or doing research i want young people to think about the dis really is a and opportunity i'm sad to say it's not quite I wish it were you know better opportunities and in their nutrition yeah should be you know probably and many people think we'll know that nutrition is not taught in medical schools not one school in the country not one medical school not the way that I'm talking about it might be some classes and a few to universities here and there but I wish that medical schools really would picked up the task of teaching is something that matters it's not even one of the 140 whatever it is hundred thirty I think a hundred thirty medical specialties that you know we live by and doctors are reimbursed by of the 130 medical specialties not one is dedicated nutrition so yeah I just want this information to get out there if I can leave behind something like that and really I know the effect that would have one you know our society's I think wouldn't be nature and right now we have one area that we all know about maybe the biggest one of all and that's the effect of the food that we choose to eat the fact that that decision has on in the environment we can forget about all these other discussions and arguments so forced and so on the planet has just survived and now I'll think they're changing very fast and so we need to make changes now tomorrow today and the cost of healthcare it'll work for the environment there was another one to cost of health care is through the roof and the reason we is that so is because we use more pharmaceuticals than any any country to world you know by far yet at the same time we're usually pharmaceuticals to give us health and not talking about nutrition because doctors aren't trained anodes and he gantry gave reimburse for that nutrition is one heck of a lot more significant than use of drugs depending on drugs and there are estimates and these are really pretty strong estimates estimates that the deaths that were rise from the use of drugs is the third leading cause of death in the United States just between heart disease and cancer their third but the CDC the government's agency doesn't even list it in their top ten diseases cause of death how do you like that I mean sweeper is something under the rug that's what they're doing they've been doing that since 1992 when this is the first published by a woman by the name of Barbara starfield at Johns Hopkins then now I'm sort of examined several times since then and if anything the data have become even more striking so oh we live on drugs and we operate that kind of system it's not to say the Dorcas are good they are we I mean we have times when when there gets well that's not the issue but to so be so dependent on them instead of one food is a travesty of the worst kind it's really ridiculous well I couldn't agree with you more and I feel like especially with this resurgent of the keto diet and the carnivore diet even if it was healthy which we know it isn't it's a very selfish diet you bet you there is a well they get away with it in part because the first the first things that happened when they start that if they're overweight they're gonna lose some weight you know their calorie intake those go down and so forth and also its identity there's some evidence that not much but the serum cholesterol levels when they drop a bit then oppresses the people you know who gonna steal it or die if you will there's a short-term things and that's enough to really get people excited about it who are wanting to lose weight do this to that but that's not a lifetime and most unfortunately quoted it before too long but it's really a really a very superficial sad story would you show your slides dr. Campbell uh yeah you talk about quite a bit we can't wait to try that much good share screen button and guys thank you so much for being here I'm sorry if I'm not getting to your questions as you know when we have this many people watching why the feed goes very fast it keeps about comments and then it disappears but hopefully we can get dr. Campbell you see much lines yes okay well I'm going to do just a couple of them here just for those who might made up a thing okay here's an early this was an early study that we did way back in the was publishes shows there this is much later but the early version of this was published you know essentially in the bottom the late 70s if you feed animals protein or two different levels 20% of total calories shown here and you watch the growth of cancer over the first one where he's there 20% of calories was just on a high end the cancer is growing well to feed five percent they don't even though they both are susceptible equally susceptible to cancer but then if you alternate the diet during that time you get this cancer go it was fast if its first three weeks take the other dad turns it off turns it on turns it off that right there was a that lasts of that observation and there was no state because what it showed is that nutrition is in control of disease formation in large measure in this case is on session was totally in control [Music] okay and but yet on the other hand the Cancer Institute says the genetic disease and I show this here because cancer has always been considered to be a genetic disease this is the first line on the webpage of the National Cancer Institute of NIH and this this the Institute that actually put a lot of my stories studies this what this says here is that because cancer genetic disease there were stars of genes corruptive genes in this particular case so historic genes then because mutations can't go backwards more or less they take some mutated genes since they can't come backwards naturally very rare then the only way you can treat cancer the only way you can really treat cancer is to kill the cancer cells that's really what is the basis for use of chemotherapy and radiotherapy and surgery is to kill the cancer cells when in reality we know from more than a couple hundred years cancer is more than that but we can't even study nutrition so doctors aren't trained in nutrition just I make that point because I think I said it's just the one I'm going to skip around here a little bit just for a quick okay here's another one at the time that wrote of the China Study was my son we were exploring in literature to see if it was any evidence than literature sort of saying something similar to what was in the books and yeah we got all these diseases listen so I say this diverse is it has a very broad effect she's very rapid I mentioned before it takes just a few days maybe my son Nelson as Joe has been doing this kind of thing quite quite a live actually and he says he's going to change this very soon to film type urination and for those of you haven't seen it thanks a lot Amazon up from not mistaken here's the dietary if it's sustained now we turn to talk about the bigot there's a big ticket item my view we were talking about this diet or nutrition you know preventing disease yeah it does that but Abby I think the big observation we could talk about is the fact that people already have the disease you know thanks to our colleagues in this field especially people already have a disease that they were switched to this diet it happens so fast and usually happens without side effects that's nice to know you know I'm going to show you now the initial ID here here's a research of others back in the what is the 80s 70s and so forth that back to the 50s actually shown a relationship between animal protein intake and various cancer mortality rates here's one shows your straight-line relationship that you can see on the straight line relationship that don't bunch of different countries the higher the animal protein intake the higher the cancer mortality rate in this case for breast cancer see a straight line that straight line in theory is going right through zero that means as soon as we put a little animal protein of the diet we in theory you're starting to elevate risk we saw the same thing in that information in China on the Cova thing just a little bit animal protein can cause problems there is a plant protein or doesn't do it that one's Ertz Erdman here's breast cancer incidence need different things you every cancer colon cancer renal cancer prostate cancer heart disease couple of them these are these are all publications of others I just wanted to show that because I'm going to skip this here I want to get we round a lot of time left here here's my definition of nutrition it's basically hollow list it's it really involves the use of all the nutrients in the food at the time is being consumed we should just similar together and of course the food can be cooked as nah so do with it with that and what I'm talking about that whole food I'm just really talking about you're eating the whole food substance itself and eating all of these nutrients together they can be diced and sliced and cooked and so forth so on and it went when you get to that trigger point time you you don't bad add back in theory it's a whole food form so I say it's tejada interactive integrated homeless system - the coltan animal protein I do want to make a point here hey Jay Arneson Here I am really wedded to this idea that and this is what their science we have the whole food plant-based thing is worth that and people follow their simple just two rules even whole food any plant-based they're going to gain I'm saying mister nineties the ninety five percent of the health that they wish to have just that simple thing they don't need to think about all the others - addresses one more point here though and that's one we used to add back certain substances up food even though they may come from plant food you know like refined sugar or edit oil or whatever you know we take out of these these foods to individual things and when we add that back it's not good in a lot of cases especially the added oil the dinner wants to arrange from one more point I want to make added oil and said I totally agree with the sentiment and the in the community we try to try to avoid that as much as possible but on the other hand I don't want to register my thoughts on this that the oil that may be present in certain plant foods like nuts avocado and so forth I don't see really any evidence not from the scientific point of view any evidence that that's really that's really not good we obviously would no need to know eat the day eight that's look I can't put all day long like nothing else but I do want to draw a distinction between you know the diet that is whole food play based as opposed to the one that maybe hands back something to sweeten it up or read some oil which is addictive kind of thing that we desire but a little bit of something to flavor for things and I just another well yet and put that here but ethnic cuisines and other kinds of foods that we can dress it up with some flavors and I don't see a problem with that either we can maintain ethnic cuisines this way well every every society sort of has its own sort of favorites flavors and and that sort of thing and a little nuts for example eat along with that my viewers no problem but you're not buying it because it they're nuts for example whole food and they really have antioxidants and fiber and good stuff so I say here's to dietary goals just out it's enough - yeah medicine the other hand is reductionist one disease one cause one mechanism we think that way we treat people that way and that's exactly the opposite I'm going to skip this right here just know what I only get over to know again new book by the way pardon yeah okay there's that that book there what did well is still doing well so New York Times bestseller I'm telling they are the board's theoretical characteristics of my kind of thinking if you look at least meet these views this one's a new one coming out this year just finished uh probably writing it with my grandson Nelson Campbell Dessler as our daughter's son graduate University North Carolina and literature he got the big prize at the University at the end of the graduation he's a really national writer but here's what here's there's a title the future of nutrition and insiders look at the science why we keep getting it wrong and how to start getting it right and I'm just start telling in there that story going back in history quite frankly back to the 17-under since then I did that had a chance when I spent a year at Oxford University back in 80s and that was a lesson and a half that I there was so much in the history that's been forgotten and so I can see now looking at that history what if what we once thought was good health how that got distorted how certain ideas got laid aside or or diminished if you will is it wasn't going along with a standard way of thinking and so we have what we have now because we allowed that to happen over the last hundred and fifty years that's the story I tell how we could get it you know how we can get right to will you're saying about that I mean here are just Kovach thing just to illustrate this point I think it's really important this is worked as I said we did in China and it's only had the tightest model in this case let's say there's a out there in the public there's this hepatitis A virus so it's an antigenic form so we call a HPSA Jiechi Chetty it sort of invades the host it comes in its landing in the body at this point in time maybe hasn't caused symptoms yet is asymptomatic but it's there we just positive you know and then that has it can go in two different ways either can go to give liver cancer and is a very potent promoter of liver cancer symptoms or it can be deactivated after well that's what the body's doing with it trying to get rid of it and they make some a device two courses which way does it go okay let's look at some results here in that study in China we measured antigen prevalence antibody prevalence liver cancer if you will and what's a different nutritional factors and here for we we actually got out of it I can ask the question what kind of nutrition favorite virus immunity so here it's a little bit complicated maybe it's about the simplest I could make it I'm listening here only the statistically significant Association statistically significant okay so it's just taking the cream off the top and your first line here I'm talking about animal food how it favors on one name live virus that's that that is to say these things here below they are associated with liver cancer formation antigen higher cholesterol levels even though it was low very low protein I didn't think it was enough protein to the do any damage but there you have it animal food flavors like virus and it with the arrow coming down if you look forget my pointer here you know it's over here see I've been ruined a story here okay so the animal proteins is increasing Angela that's keeping it virus active I say yeah I was gonna cause liver cancer not not good you can see it there how the hell is significant but also depresses the formation antibody s what makes this a mere an animal food with those degrees degrees of statistical significance there's a pretty mile of way looking at the thing is amazing because as I say the animal food is only about 10% of what it is in wettest but even that robot animal food was associate with a depression of antibody formation okay so let's go one more step oh okay now we're going to go that was animal for now we're going to talk about plant food plant food in yeah it has the opposite effect notice here it depresses the active virus it causes they go from the active form to the inertia for okay so the plant food is doing this and over the antibody plant food vegetable it's just consuming vegetables highly highly significant formation more antibodies you know it's of course that's not that's not a direct test of the idea that we might want to do in fact I don't think we can really do that kind of study but this evidence is really strong eat plants form antibodies get rid of the virus pretty simple there you see it just they're more or less antigens the antibody plant food pushes the antigen toward antibody formation and then an activation animal foods it keeps it still in the active form okay I don't think I'll get into this here because we took this back to you I will tell this this is a mouse model these are liver sections in this picnic case they were all three of they there's groups here were response to the virus the virus is there and never fits three different laws of protein one group they were fed low protein even though they had a virus the cancer didn't form no like there's much else in there there's a little cells there but but when he had the highest protein you see all that early cancer forming didn't take long the hype he turned on the development cancer in this hepatitis model the party did not injure me or former some so what the animal protein does just like it did in the human study they chemical studies they showed him earlier the high animal protein really turns onto cancer whether it's started by a by rivers in this case or whether started by black chemical in the previous case so no but this here they say ok what does have to do with a kovat thing here's what I'm saying here's my my projection line hypothesis whatever one people want to call it my best guess in this case just the color starts out with an antigen floating around nothing I'm sorry about that go backwards so the the edges genus here okay it comes in and it invades us now we test positive for the antigen okay we're doing that symptoms yep it's just positive now it's going to tell you some days so maybe a couple weeks before or it causes this dirty work you become asymptomatic but in any case it's now it's in the body the whole foot but they say it would would in this hypothesis just like a lavars force it to form antibodies the whole food plant-based diet in this case here would block this and have it how can help we now accept this kind of information this is this is statistically significant it's really what nature does it does it not just with this particular case here it does it of course cross the board we all know they said it doesn't with these diseases that we have so in this case here the block any formation of the symptoms of the occult virus in this model Thank You more antibodies so one more step here this is really significant to most of people getting is they're susceptible to the corona virus basically they're over 60 years of age and they've been having a poor diet ninety-five percent of them have poor nutrition which from eating the wrong food and so they have diabetes and and cancer and heart disease and stroke and so forth and so on they got risk for all the risk factors they're up here so what do you would you expect to happen in this case it turned before you answer that question here we have those who are having these diseases older age nor Danelle you know not so well off with the ill health they now are the source of all the comorbidity that occurs in a coronavirus situation these are the people who have already been compromised for not eating the right food right they got to poor nutrition you're susceptible to getting into viral diseases I say it more one more wrinkle try to make it clear the whole food plant-based diet blocks the formation of the Jennifer decision at first place okay and also it blocks the viral disease from expressing themselves basically it's we showed that in the laboratory so this is a win-win situation and the fact that we know that this diet actually works on people within a day or two or three certainly in a week holy crow I mean I don't see why this isn't just this this is but you know in people don't know this of course and so that's why I'm wanting to get it out there what what we're now relying on and that this is germane to this comment what we tend to rely on in this kovat crisis and worry about is that you know and what we worry about you know getting the disease obviously we're very careful about that but on the other hand we're relying on something that in my mind should be questioned we're relying on oh someday is going to come we're going to have a we're gonna have a treatment here pretty soon if we listen to places like the White House my god it's already here but in any case we're waiting for a drug to come along to kill the do reverse the diseases was a very simplistic idea but that's what we're waiting on that we're also waiting on the development of a immune or a vaccine well vaccines are specific for each strain of virus as I said before they may last only some these immunities may last for a year or two some of them and last for a lifetime that's why we get immunized so we don't know how long it's gonna last but in any case if we and every dairy that scene that's invented is usually specific for that virus that comes along and if it's going to take a year-and-a-half or whatever it is your in-app two years to get the vaccine that works for each virus that comes along and and these flows are these viruses these are occurring at more and more frequency appreciable go where the second virus comes along we haven't even learned what vaccine is e is for the person you saw what goes I'm just predicting for the future as long as we rely on the model of relying on the use of chemicals to kill that virus and at the same time rely on the development of immunity artificially created if you will as long as we brought relying on that clinical model to see us through for the future forget it especially if these viral diseases are coming along at a faster rate and there is evidence for that so all I'm saying is that I think I think in this case we got something to shed some light on as far as the quarter virus situation is concerned it's time that we start making a reminds oh do we want to take nutrition seriously that which is provided by whole food based diet or not do we want to live with the model that we now have you know getting new contacts tracing putting on masks standing in lines six feet apart shutting schools down shutting industries down come on this is I just feel like we're in it we're in a state now that the crisis has been fixed it's here and about all I can hear people talking about these days from the authorities a possibility if we can just hang around up and you know stay out of people's way we're going to get it we're going to get joy sooner or later we're going to get back thing and I'm saying those two forces of action are fraught with danger they're not nearly as promising is what people would like to have you believe first it's secondly twenty eight I'm gonna take time before before that time arrives when we have that or you might have another virus coming along I I think we're looking at debt really like a dark tunnel and so here we are in a crisis stage when the crisis stage Snell now's the time to learn to go that I can actually sort of ask some questions about science real science not just the scientific and of science that enables us to predict when they when the whole epidemics going and or whether there's gonna be a second wave that's a huge one from a nation I profess but that's not that's not the kind of science I'm talking I'm talking about the science that operates at the logical level that really is of significance here so there you have it also incidentally the whole food plant-based diet is not a one-time thing you know okay I'm going to eat it now I'm going to get better here and the next you know there you have the problems maybe for a few days you couple weeks or so and I'll go back no can't do that because now there's evidence that somebody's don't know whether this is faulty methodology or not but there's some evidence that may be true that the immunity that is created just not Lessing but long and people will get reinfected again all the more important a big argument is if there's nutritional works as I think it will and I want to emphasize as I think it will as I hypothesize say what we want I think the evidence is is there for us to think about and use what we got to stay with it's going to be habit ok I'm going to quit there's a J I don't want show more than that well your your new book will come out in December of this year yeah I'm sorry I went over tonight oh my god yeah that's okay dr. Campbell listen you can go as long as you want and or you can always come back because there were a lot of questions so we don't believe me nobody is complaining that you went over I promise you that they're very hanging on every word dude but I do want to respect your time though and I would love you to come back and maybe answer some of these questions but would it be all right if I asked you just kind of one fun question yes you make two minutes okay I'll be back oh you're leaving okay no okay no I said I'm just leaving for two minutes on every backpack so guys two minutes I'll just just give me a second to explain some things to you guys and again I know that not everybody watches every broadcast nor should you it's just that I want you to really understand that if I don't answer your ask your question of whoever the guess is it's not that I don't like you or like the question or I ignoring you one of the things I have to explain with this restraint technology is you are watching in one of five places so while you may say I don't understand it's only showing you know a hundred people here why can't you get to my question you have to multiply that by five there could be 400 or 500 watching on one of my private groups and so what is happening is like a ticker-tape in stock market what you are typing because very fast and in the screen only allows me to see about ten comments at once and then they're gone so what I tried it I don't want to be sitting there shooting with my phone what I try to do is I try to write things down but that's what happens and so that's why we ask people to to submit the questions in advance now the questions that were submitted in advance for dr. Campbell unfortunately most of them were medical questions he is not a medical doctor yeah maybe he is going to the restroom I figured he didn't want to say that Mauricio so so that is what what happens with this technology you're seeing it on 20% of where it's it's airing so it's not a YouTube line it's not a facebook life per se it's going to all these places so I hope you can understand that and so he's back great so dr. Campbell one of the things that the viewing audience always wants to know is what artists eat and how they exercise but someone named Keisha sent in the question in advance for you that's a little bit different and she said can you please ask dr. Colin Campbell does he have cheat days for holidays and birthdays and if so what are some of his favorite cheat foods no I don't I can't really say that honestly there was a while before you're totally changed when I would like to cheat a little bit on some cheese cubes when my wife wasn't looking but anyway no not now really and and I don't feel the need to do that because you know I don't like the food I don't like that fine food I've lost the taste for you know the high-pass stuff or the high oil and the stuff of sugar and I know any and and eggs I used to eat and dairy something I don't want it's taste I couldn't eat a period sort of thing I have you cheap foods that I actually ran away for a minute to grab your book because I this is this is as great as the China Study was this book is as equally as good it's it's different of course but what I love about this book is you say something on page what is it page seven and it's almost like this paragraph that you say you almost don't even need a book it you say the ideal human diet looks like this consume plant foods and forms as close to their natural state as possible Whole Foods eat a variety of vegetables fruits raw nuts and seeds beans and legumes and whole grains avoid heavily processed food and animal products and stay away from added salt oil sugar and to get eighty percent of your calories from carbohydrates ten percent from fat and ten percent from protein that's it in sixty six words in this book I call it the whole food plant-based diet I mean what what I mean all these what where do we need them that paragraph really yeah but was one part of that AJ I know you I was losing carefully trying to catch up on what a what a roast some time ago but I said avoid I think I've used the word a boy I got here's the place avoid you know the sort Sjogren's was it a little shudders okay yeah I'm worried I want to make a comment about that because there's some stem argument about that and I would like to weigh in here a little bit I mean even from the scientific point of view in order to measure but namely people you know I like to make the decisions when I could look at data there's published reels been tested all that sort of stuff I can't operate just on the basis of personal experience or that sort of thing and I don't know any evidence that you know editing a little bit of nuts I mean I've I've talked to my good friend hey a sort of good about this nuts yeah I use them some people I want to call that our chief food I don't consider cheap food and because there is so again just had published evidence you know put that in there in and I think we get the same results with some of that so the oil that may be present and whole food a little you know you don't overdo it and so I just like to set things as a goal the work for me is go home it's not a fixed firm you know you or die if you don't do it this way because I don't know if any scientific ever to argue otherwise so I do like I do want to make that point it's really it's really pretty critical the same is for sure a case people or you don't need any proof he's got sugar has got true no I don't buy that that's that's crazy because I don't know of any Eponine evidence of you know that kind of sugars there well that's why I did eating a whole food is all working together it's just fantastic yeah okay enough said right well like you always say it's a symphony right yeah and that's right you know well dr. Campbell I'd love to have you back especially when your book comes out so we can promote it and get as many people to get it as possible so you can have another New York Times bestseller okay that's good I I did all the talking you let me do all the what do I have to say I see I feel like a broken record I say I say the same thing all the time so we have a physician watching ok these couple goes dr. Darrel woodruf says this is by far the best presentation you have presented in the past couple months the other ones are good too but this one really stands out that's because when you have a class act what do you expect anytime you'd like to talk to anybody I mean I'd be happy to just I'm detecting dr. Campbell you're the star so you please come on anytime you have something to say and you know you know I have not met your daughter yet but I have a couple of her books it would she be somebody that would maybe like to come on and talk and maybe even make some of her recipes yeah I'd like to brag about her tell us about it no she got her doctorate in education she was at a Peace Corps so she was that sort of that pathway she she did a Peace Corps to Dominican Republic and ever since that's like 30 years ago now and she's been living a lot or going in there a lot over the years and she's taking down American students to have an experience in a country like that he's back in the mountains and now she has a place and she's got some land and she's got a thing going there now to demonstrate it's fantastic is demonstration what food can do to the not eating right food can do to the environment for example there's a field right next to her where her places that used to be all force there was water in a stream going down like eight feet deep I'm told and I know she's just a few short years they cut the trees down the water sort of dried up and they cut it down to fit cattle and they destroyed that created microclimate that in turn caused the cacao crop to go downhill and a lot of people became extremely poor it's a whole nine yards of what a foot right there and a microcosm if you will just showing you know what food can do to an environment situation buffman loss of water trees and so now she's got some other land she's building planting a lot of mango trees and banana trees or whatever and it showed she's now involved with their online course in a measurable way sort of the strategy person sort of rushing along that so yeah she's she's a good speaker - maybe you could hook me up with her and because people have been asking has your course changed at all throughout the years yeah it did yeah we read we got a new course by the way coming up I'm just looking at the final version of my boyfriend right now it's coming up and it's gonna be of course on food and some food sustainability you know just a full nine yards doing it's it's free courses make it a certificate program out of it that sounds terrific tisha said how many kids do we have we know about Tom we know about Nelson and we know about LeAnn but isn't there Arthur more yeah there's two more we have another son they're all into this we have one son who is a teacher a special ed teacher and he works his younger kids with these special attention and and he's had to me speak to the school community to board her stuff like he's really into this and then the other son is a computer whiz and he is now just he's into a too big job he worked for mom for a company out of England and he's he's been talking about you creating a model he's very excited about to use a computer platform to learn some things our grandson our oldest son's son Ken Kevin else's son his name is mine come on example he got a new and his sister was one you may have seen bus Thomas one who really got into computers too and he's created a platform for that pod concept you know about the pods yes the plant based pods a lot of people on our actually leaders of it that's right I mean there's a hundred bars I think and there's something like two hundred and some thousand people registered and he's got two getting off the ground still but it's really yeah it's very exciting and I was just speaking to a group and a group of economists and since Greece just this week earlier this week and they don't know about the positives we think the pods are I believe it in something like 22 countries around the world and now they got a jump start program just going to worldwide and still well yeah and then Colin was the one who created that that platform that will be used so they all can t speak to each other and you know and so forth and participate that's cool any of the camels that want to come on whether the cooker talk you just hooked me up with them we would love to meet them Jeanne is asking if the new course you're offering is it going to be the same as the way the traditional courses offered through eCornell yeah yep you go to the website soon this doesn't announce what we'll have that out here shortly yeah same deal we have online instructors you know the feedback that goes on and taking some tests etc yeah and we got a lot of a lot of guest speakers who have been innocent little thing and the person who really put that together did all the information that visual information is another grandson it's the one who's our daughter's son Steve and Lisa you know I'm having a hard time saying goodbye because I love you so much and so do the people I don't want to ever disconnect and nobody's dropping off but I thought of one question and I don't know if you've ever been asked this but you know how people like in show business like a lot of times they're most proud of a certain performance they've given and I know in my career I like when I spoke with the mcdougal at that study weekend of all the talks I gave that was the most meaningful you've spoken to probably millions of people by now do you have like one memory of like just like the best presentation you've given or the best experience giving the information that you're giving oh gosh I have to said plan attrition Congress or a plane fishing project is one the first time that was offered and I've spoken he's fine there I like that group and the ACL Evan groups until I saw better than those groups are right after but I spoke in a lot of countries from Isis I just did one last week I don't know it's kind of a surprise now these are paid customers listen to the law sure there's life it was over fifty three thousand people from 20-some countries you're kidding you did this virtually that's incredible yeah that's right it was it was I was also surprised and so I guess because what it tells me is Cassius that idea is getting out there you're just gonna take care of yourself because we need you to live like at least another 50 years people are asking do you ever get tired of the standing ovations no I'm grateful for that kind of enthusiasm yeah you'd like to talk to people who like to talk about what you agree with right well you know our mutual friend dr. Alan Goldhamer has always said I assess a person's intelligence by how much he agrees with me yeah yeah yeah Alice it was a good friend I have known for many many years yeah yeah well I want I don't want to take up any more of your time and instead I'd rather have you come back when you're arrested and nothing you're not rested now but this has just been so much fun and so it's a wonderful talking maybe you'll bring Karen uh maybe Karen will cook something for us do you think she would have come out I kinda I've tried to talk her and stir that but she doesn't seem to want to do it sure quite when you're on the stage so she takes she's not wanting to actually he said then the one behind him the family we eat what she cooks been that way for some time she I bet she's a great cook and I'm sure my favorite part of the China Study was when she was packing your shirts and it's like she only packed you three shirts I think yeah I remember that yeah that was great well you are getting a virtual standing ovation from the over 600 at least people that are watching now thank you so much for your passion and for all you've done to because know what none of us would be here really without you so thank you dr. Colin Campbell [Music] thank you so much for watching come back tomorrow 3 p.m. 1 we'll be featuring chef Eric Lachey sir making pad thai take care of

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