4 Things You Need To Know Before Buying A Turbo | Turbocharger 101

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giveaway for an exclusive new product first ever ma performance hats being offered to the public you can get your hands on it before anyone else if you just watch all the way to the end and enter our giveaway so as I said in today's video we're just gonna cover the basics we're gonna stay really on a 101 scale we're just gonna tell you the names and talk about some of the different things that separate turbos if you'd like to see us dive deeper into any of the specifics please leave a comment below ask the difficult question I'm here to answer those questions we will take time out to make a video about specifics if you guys want us to go into a ours or the differences and the benefits of different sized flanges of turbos just go ahead and leave those comments share the share your knowledge again below and and have fun guys this can be a great video when it comes to turbos there's a lot of different names people like to use some people want to talk about the flange size and call their turbo at t3 or t4 other people want to refer to the millimeters of their turbine or compressor wheels and there's just a lot of names out there we want to give you a basic overview we're not gonna dive too in-depth on any one piece of these we want to give you a basic overview so you can understand what people are talking about when they're using terms like AR turbine housing flange size and that sort of thing when someone says they have a 62 Miller or say an ATM what they're talking about is the the compressor wheel on their turbo and the size of that the inducer wheel is right here this is the tip to tip measurement is what they're talking about of the cold side of the turbo this is where the air is coming into the turbo charging system and being compressed before it's forced into the engine common reference like you said you'll hear at car shows or even at the racetrack is to reference this number 80 ml 62 mm 58 mil those are all commonly things you're gonna hear when you're talking about turbo chargers it's just easier to to know what that is and be able to reference it when you're speaking with your friends about their turbochargers or or again your turbo charger future setups the next common term we hear used a lot is referencing the flange size of a turbo so there is a multitude of different plan jizz and way more extreme than we're gonna get into today but the common ones I hear as I walk around car shows or I talk to owners they say I have a t3 or t4 turbo what that's referencing is these flanges we have up front here and again they come in different sizes they come in divided stainless steel or mild steel those are all just different flanges but we're talking about the actual size so we have a t3 versus of T 4 T 4 versus a T 4 divided and/or V Bands that's what people are talking about when they say have a t3 or t4 turbo Dominic t3 t4 turbo is is what they're referencing the flange there so another common thing people like to reference when they're talking about the turbo on their car or the turbo they want to put on their car just turbos in general is referencing the bearing style a lot of people will talk about a ball bearing unit or a journal bearing unit I've asked plenty of people what turbo do you have and they say have a ball bearing turbo well that doesn't really tell you much about the power output of the turbo it does tell you about the center section and how the turbo is assembled in the center section but it doesn't actually explain much about the performance and/or the power output so just know that that's a generality we're talking about there's journal bearing there's ball bearing there's also some in-betweens there especially in the borg lineup that are proprietary to them and that's just what people are referencing when they're talking about the bearing cartridge inside of a turbo it's important to notice that each manufacturer is a little bit different in the way that they rate their turbochargers even the way that they may be compared in size their turbochargers it's not something to go into in depth today it might be something for the future but today we just want to make sure that you're aware there's not always going to be a comparison between one turbo and the other of different brands some 166 millimeter turbo may produce more or less power than someone else's 66 millimeter turbo there's gonna be a lot of variables that determine that it's just important to know that not only are they different there's also a lot of proprietary products especially when it comes to things like v bands oil drain fittings even some flanges are gonna be proprietary for certain turbos it's very important that you know that prior to choosing your turbo because things are gonna make a difference when you go to bolt them all together they might not line up and they might not work well together now we've covered some of the basic terminology that goes along the lines of turbochargers the next big thing we need to know is understand the different types of turbochargers and things from Bolton turbochargers to universal and what's gonna work right for you and and how to set your goals and your expectations properly before you start to search and buy a turbocharger I'd like to start by asking myself why I want to understand why I'm upgrading my turbocharger I want to make sure that I have not only my short-term goals but also my long-term goals in mind a few tips that I would give you is definitely reference your tuner speak to them talk about what maybe your engine builder as well to identify what your car is currently capable of they're gonna give you feedback they're gonna help point you in the right direction obviously you can give us a shot we have a lot of experts here that have not only built cars but but helped people like yourself determine the right turbo for their car as well just like any other modification to a car there's a lot of variables that we have to take into account when we're determining what the best product for us is in this case you may have a turbocharged car from the factory you're probably going to be a little bit further along or the engine in that platform may be a little bit more capable than a car that didn't come with a turbo from the factory so knowing what and what car you're starting with is gonna help determine whether you want to start with a drop-in or just a stock frame turbo replacement or if you need to go with an all-out turbo kit that comes with things like a turbo manifold a down pipe potentially intercooler etc so once you've identified what your platform is that will help you move along in the right direction to establish if you're looking for a drop-in replacement turbocharger potentially you're gonna send your factory turbocharger out to be upgraded or if you're looking for a complete turbo kit to utilize a universal turbocharger to boost your application there's certainly advantages to having a turbocharged car from the factory as I mentioned you can probably get away without a turbocharger or an upgraded manifold you can stick with the stock frame manifold you're gonna be able to feed boost to this thing pretty easily through a stock frame manifold there's always going to be aftermarket options for improvements as far as spool characteristics and top-end power but definitely going to be cheaper to upgrade the turbo in most cases than it is to buy a complete turbocharger kit additionally when it comes to the ease of installation an aftermarket drop-in turbocharger sometimes can be as easy as six or eight bolts in just a couple sets of hands to get it to fit in there whereas installing a full-out turbo kit especially an aftermarket turbo kit is generally gonna be a lot more complex there's a lot more pieces to that kit and it's gonna require a lot more knowledge and skill to get that kit put onto your car and properly fitted if your turbo charging and naturally aspirated motor keep in mind that a lot of times these engines have not been designed to handle very much boost if any right I mean they came from the factory without boost they're not gonna handle the power you guys may want to make they have maybe cast pistons or thin beam connecting rods those things are gonna limit the power that you can make safely on that engine whereas a turbocharged cars from the factory generally has some beefed up internals and can handle a little bit more boost right out of the gates it's also important to make sure that you consider the requirement or the additional modifications we call them supporting mods that you need to run a larger turbo or more boost through a bigger turbo in your car just because your car came from the factory at the turbo doesn't mean you can slap in an aftermarket turbo and start cranking things up you're gonna want to take into account fuel in you're gonna want to make sure that you're reducing back pressure through your exhaust increasing air flow through your intake tract and then also just keep it in mind what your engine is actually capable of mostly factory turbocharged cars are starting with small four-cylinder engines you're not gonna be able to make a thousand horsepower and a lot of these bottom ends so guys just be realistic keep those things in mind and I think we're gonna have a lot of success finding you the right turbo as we move forward so a big question everyone wants to answer is which turbo should I buy unfortunate i don't have an easy simple answer to that cuz every case is gonna be different but now we've established your goals for your individual needs I'm gonna provide you with a couple quick tips and some resources to help you identify the perfect or ideal turbo charger for your setup so in order to figure out which turbo you need basically you're gonna have to run some calculations it's not the most difficult math out there especially when the equations are putting straight in front of you but you are going to need to be able to answer some basic questions about your engine essentially what we're gonna do is we're gonna want to determine the volume and the mass of airflow that you want flowing through your engines and then we're gonna ideally pick a turbocharger that meets those requirements we on our website at ma performance comm lists out most of the horsepower ratings for different turbos you can even sort and search by different turbo horsepower ratings also we have an additional turbo size calculator that if you work with your tuner engine builder I think you'll be able to get the numbers specific to your build that'll help you achieve and run through that calculator to achieve the results it's gonna list out a few different turbo options for you and really help point you in the right direction to what's ideal for your circumstances additionally check out garrett in motion Garrett turbochargers has a lot of resources around this some great calculators to help you figure out how much power you can make with certain turbos they offer and then also what sort of airflow and compressor maps are offered in the complete line of garrett turbos including their bolt on turbos for like our Evo acts and some of the other cars that are a little bit more for us so with turbochargers it's like a lot of other things in life the the old sayings of you get what you pay for or the deal is too good to be true it probably is those things really apply to turbochargers when it comes to a quality aftermarket turbocharger the amount of research and development that goes into that product is far beyond what I think most people imagine they start at the metallurgy level so they're starting at the raw materials and components that are then melted down and assembled to turn into things like the turbine shaft or the compressor wheel when you talk about using cheaper inferior products it's definitely gonna lower the cost for the consumer but there's also not going to be that level of quality that we all look for when we're putting a turbocharger on our engine it's one thing to look and try to stay cost-effective but hopefully you guys understand buying cheap in this case can lead to a lot of risk not only as far as longevity and performance but also safety Oh II turbocharger units have to be combustion they have to confine that that burst confinement is what they call it so if something were to explode inside an OE turbo it's gonna stay confined in this if you guys go and do a google search maybe we'll throw some pictures up in the video of turbos that have exploded and not been confined if you can imagine how fast that turbo wheel is spinning when that shrapnel is and breaks those little chunks of turbine wheel and metal get everywhere and can really cause not only serious bodily harm but even death so guys be serious about your your game when it comes to cars do this right the first time and just put a little bit more money towards buying the proper turbo for your car lastly one tip I always give people is make sure you know your future goals of your car just like you reference back to our project project car video if you buy a turbo for the requirements or the goals you have today without considering what your build may look like next year the year after a surefire way to ensure that you end up with not only one turbo purchase but two or more turbo purchases and we all know every time I'm at least my wife sees those things come home she just sees money flying out the window so be careful guys do it right the first time and I think gonna enjoy building your car a lot more [Music] all right guys so we've covered some of the basic turbo Norman clay chair again we can go deeper into any of those and we probably will in some future videos especially if you tell me to in the comments below we've touched on setting goals and understanding the different types of drop-in versus universal turbocharger explain some flanges some differentiators they're talked about the proprietary assets that may come when talking about different brands of turbochargers lastly what we wanted to do is just give you a couple quick tips on how to extend the life of your turbo this is just a few tips from our experts here are things we've learned along the way and I think they'll be useful for you as you guys kind of journey on down either putting a turbo on your car or upgrade in a turbo or potentially just starting to learn about turbos these are still things that are gonna benefit you so here we go first do not shut down your car while it's hot big thing back in the 90s okay late 90s early 2000 kind of dating myself here but everyone had a turbo timer these are cool little electronic device that would keep your turbo moving and keep oil flowing through your turbo even after a car was shut down they've kind of gone to the wayside they're still available on our website if you want them but what people generally do now is they just allow their car to idle if you go out for a spirited Drive or you make a rip in your car completely shutting down your car when the engine is hot and that oil is hot is gonna cause a shorter lifespan of your turbo charger unit letting the car cool down at idle kind of removes and draws all that heat out of the turbo so that you're not just doing a hot shutdown that's certainly gonna extend the life of your turbo the next big piece to remember and a tip that we have for you is just to make sure that you have some sort of crankcase ventilation especially when your turbo charging a car that didn't come from the factory with the turbocharger on it you are going to see increased pressure in that system and a lot of times that oil will actually be able to work its way up the turbo drain and into the turbo it'll actually blow oil past the exhaust side of the turbo is the most common one we see if it's a really severe situation with a lot of built-up crankcase pressure it'll even push through the compressor side that can cause a lot of issues and really cut down life or even just make your turbo inoperable so be careful on that makes you have some proper crankcase ventilation setup and if you have any questions on that feel free to give us a shot we can help you set those up pretty easily it just depends on your build the size of lines how much ventilation you need those sorts of things one major tip I think is overlooked by people that are new to building cars is the turbo oil flow if you have a oil feed line that is coming in an angle or maybe the turbo location is a little bit odd those are things that can impede the oil flow knowing your turbo knowing your setup knowing your placement and looking at that and that holistic approach of is the oil flowing in and out of my turbo properly is step one if you guys don't have proper oil flow coming out say you've maybe used a universal oil drain flange on a precision turbo you're going to have some turbo build-up that's gonna cause improper draining potentially back up into that turbo and have that same oil pouring out through the exhaust side or the compressor side of that turbo so very important guys keep good oil flow going in and out of your turbo oil restrictors another one there's not a blanket statement here but generally on ball-bearing turbos is where we would run those again feel free to give us a call this information is all readily available through us just with a quick phone call if you have any questions feel free to reach out to us so as we promised earlier in this video we've got a pretty exciting giveaway guys we just got these hats it's the first ever m8 performance hat we've sold to the public we have a lot of swag that we get internally for employees but this is just for you before we sell it to anyone else you can get entered to win this hat I'm gonna choose the winner and the way you enter is just commenting below with your favorite slang term for a turbocharger whether you want to call it a turb ski or a Chinese choo-choo boy or a Nagasaki noisemaker go ahead and blow my mind in the comments I want to see thousands of comments with your favorite slang term for a turbocharger Taiwan wind whistle Korean air cannon Nagasaki noisemaker Vietnamese vortex hopefully this video was helpful it's gonna help you not look like an idiot when it comes to car shows educate you a little bit on some of the terminology that comes when we're talking about turbos it's safe to say that everyone uses different terminology so I don't think anyone should feel stupid I think if you ask questions about when someone references what they're talking about and a our sizes are turbine don't feel like you're an idiot but make sure if you have any questions that you ask me it's anonymous you guys can post up below and go ahead and like subscribe make sure that you are also commenting on some of the comments of the turbo slang it's a big one for me I need your guys's help finding the winner because if it's just on me I'm probably gonna choose 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Keywords: what turbo should i get, what turbo should i buy, Turbo 101, turbocharger 101, turbo maintenance tips, turbo sizes explained, turbo size flanges, turbo compressor wheel size, turbocharger flange, ball bearing vs journal bearing turbo, stock frame turbos, turbo kit vs stock frame, turbo kit vs universal, turbo supporting mods, turbocharger supporting mods, more boost supporting mods, turbo basics 101, turbocharger basics 101, getting the best turbocharger, turbo oil flow

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Length: 18min 11sec (1091 seconds)

Published: Thu Oct 10 2019