Please be seated. Hello, Your Honor. Hello. This is the case of<i>
Lloyd v. Railey.</i> Thank you, Jerome.
Good day everyone. AUDIENCE: Good day. Mr. Lloyd, you are in
court today to prove that you are the
biological father of the defendant's one and
a half-year-old daughter,
Kourtney Marie Grimes. You claim the defendant led you to believe that
you were the father only to have a bomb
dropped on you that another man
was her dad. Is that correct? Yes, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE: Ms. Railey
you say you are 100% sure that Mr. Lloyd is not
Kourtney's biological father and you will prove your
case in court today. Is that correct? Yes, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE: Well, we'll
meet that other man
in just a moment. But first, let's start
from the beginning. I wanna understand the
nature of this relationship. So you, you were
in a relationship with somebody else
when you met Mr. Lloyd or were you in a relationship
with Mr. Lloyd and
met somebody else? I had just recently got
out of a relationship
when I had met Mr. Lloyd. Uh, 'course I was ending
my last relationship with Mr... With
the other party. All right, so then
you had finished
the other relationship or you were still kinda
seeing this other guy? We had like just ended. It wasn't even a month
apart or a week apart that me and him
had ended. And we had started getting
intimate right there. JUDGE LAKE: All right so,
Mr. Lloyd, at the time you
were dating Ms. Railey did you feel like you all were
in an exclusive relationship? At the time I
didn't know. As... As it prolonged I did start
catching feelings for her. Actually we moved
together at the time. We moved in, we moved in. JUDGE LAKE: You did? So you moved in together? LLOYD: Yes. When she tells you
she's pregnant she comes to you
and says what exactly? We was actually sitting
in her room. Actually
we was talking. She started crying,
said she was pregnant. I was excited, Your Honor.
This is my first child. So I was excited
and I was willing to take up the responsibility to
be in Kourtney Grimes' life. I already had doubts. I knew of this guy,
you know, so I already
had doubts about it. So the third month I take
her, her mom out to eat and we, we just
nipped it in the bud
like this is your baby. She's like three,
four months pregnant. JUDGE LAKE: Do you
remember this dinner
meeting, Ms. Railey? RAILEY: Yes, yes Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE: And you all cleared the air and told
Mr. Lloyd there's no doubt
you are the father? Yes, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE: So why
is it all of a sudden three months, two months
before the baby is born you
tell him he's not the father? RAILEY: Well, Your Honor,
I was nine weeks pregnant when
I thought that I was pregnant. That's when the doubtin'
and everything started, I said, well, nine weeks
ago I wasn't with
Mr. Lloyd at all. I was with Mr. Grimes.
It was around Super Bowl. Which was in February
the second is the day that they trying to
say I was conceiving between the second and
I believe the sixth and I wasn't around
Mr. Lloyd at the time that they had gave me
my conceiving date. LLOYD: Excuse me. Um... We was dating around the
Super Bowl too, you know
what I'm... We was dating. So how far along
into the pregnancy did she tell you that you're not the father? It was like, like
the last four months but the seven,
eight months I left. I said I'm done with it.
This is not my baby. I moved to Indiana.
I stayed down there
for like a month, two. I get a phone call
from her. She like, I have doubts. I don't,
I don't think Kourtney... I think the baby wasn't
even born actually. She was like, um,
I don't see it in Curtis. Her mother knows her,
her baby. Her mother
knows and she told me. That's what made
me come back and try to continue on to be
there for my daughter. So when the baby was
born, Ms. Railey,
who was present? Um, Mr. Grimes was. Oh! Because... Excuse me. She didn't even
tell me that he was present
when she was born. She... From my knowledge was nobody there
but the mother. He didn't need to be there
if he's not the dad. So that's why
Mr. Grimes... JUDGE LAKE: But what...
The dots I'm trying
to connect are when you told him
he was the father he accepted he
was the father. But you say that this
window between
Mr. Grimes and Mr. Lloyd is only a span of two to
three weeks anyway, right? Three weeks. JUDGE LAKE: Three weeks. Or four. Yeah,
three to four weeks. I didn't even know
the baby got born. I had to find out
on Facebook. How old was Kourtney
when you first met her? Did you ever
get to see her? Um, yes. I think I seen her think like the second
or third week she was
out the hospital. She let me see
Kourtney Grimes whenever I wanted to. She had given him his
chance and still give
me my chance too. But wait you...
She gave the baby Mr. Grimes' last name. Yes, Your Honor. She
gave him his last name. Actually I'm the
one who gave... Came up with the name
Kourtney Marie. Actually Mr. Grimes
came up with the name. So wait. You sleeping
with two different guys but they both
pick the same name. RAILEY: How awkward
it sound, it... JUDGE LAKE: They both said
Kourtney. That's what we
think is a good name. RAILEY: Yeah. Way too much synergy here. (AUDIENCE LAUGHING) LLOYD: Actually I think she
did already had, she
already had the baby. Me and Curtis Grimes
came to a conclusion and actually
met up on Facebook and was trying to find out
'cause she was still planned
that it was my baby, still planned his
baby, so we met up. RAILEY: Actually, Your Honor,
they pulled up on me. I was there, okay.
So both of them asked me in the car together.
They in the car together. I'm with another friend. "Who's the
daddy, Shantia?" So I said, "Okay, "Curtis you're the sperm donor
and Mr. Lloyd is the
one who be there for her." You know, and at the time
that's what the situation... So wait a minute.
The two potential fathers get together.
You all get together and decide y'all gonna
do a sting operation. Correct. You all gonna track
down Ms. Railey and you all gonna get down
to the bottom of which
one of us is this father 'cause you feel like
she's playing both of you. And you say Ms. Railey
you were clear, you said Mr. Grimes... Basically you said you
the biological father and you told Mr. Lloyd but you are
basically the daddy. 'Cause we say in this
courtroom it takes
DNA to be a father but it takes
love to be a daddy. So you say Mr. Lloyd
stepped up to be the daddy. He, he be there for
Kourtney no matter what. He's always there.
He's a good dad. So now you're here
because you want
Mr. Lloyd to know for certain that he's not
the biological father. Correct, Your Honor. Okay. LLOYD: We, we here, we here to find out 'cause
she don't know 100%. That's why we here. JUDGE LAKE: All right, Jerome,
I wanna talk to, uh, Mr. Grimes. He's joining
us from his hometown. Mr. Grimes, do you believe
she's your biological child? <i> I'm gonna say yes.</i> <i> Then... I got some doubts
too at the same time.</i> So you have doubts.
Tell the court why
you have doubts. <i> Since Shantia been pregnant
she been playing both sides.</i> <i> One minute Corey the daddy,
next minute I'm the daddy.</i> <i> Corey about to spend
some money on the baby,
he the daddy.</i> <i> Like we both still seeing her
to this day, you know.</i> <i> So...</i> You both still seeing her? <i> We both still
seeing Kourtney.</i> <i> I mean he, he been
to Memphis more than me.</i> <i> I've been to Memphis one
time, he been down there
three, four times.</i> <i> But Shantia not
telling me that.</i> (LAUGHING) (LAUGHING) JUDGE LAKE: So you saying this
is supposedly your
biological child with your last name but this
other man has been to
see the child more than you. <i> Man, I'm talking about</i> <i> I got my whole
family calling me like,</i> <i> "Why is it another
man with your daughter
on this page</i> <i> "talkin' 'bout
daddy's baby?"</i> <i> Like I said
I got doubts.</i> <i> I mean, she, she look like,</i> <i> she look like him,
she got my nose,</i> <i> she look like both of
us of you ask me, but...</i> (LAUGHING) That's what I said. <i> We both fooled
around with her mama.</i> RAILEY: Both of y'all,
both of y'all get
on my nerves. Who's paying child support
to help support this baby? RAILEY: Neither one. I can't pay child
support if I'm not on
the birth certificate. JUDGE LAKE: Let me
tell you. You can still... You don't have to
pay child support... But I still, I still come out of pocket
when I, when I want to. Support is... Can be of course done
through the state. But it also can just
be done personally
between the parents. I mean I tell people handle
it through the living room so you don't have
to handle it through
the courtroom. So have you helped
with this child? Yes, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE: You have.
Mr. Grimes she has your last name.
Have you been
helping to support Kourtney since
she's been born? <i> Man, I'm gonna tell you
like I told Shantia.
I told Shantia</i> <i> when Corey, Mr. Lloyd,
get out of her life</i> <i> I told her give me
blood, I give her
baby love basically.</i> <i> I'm tired of her
playing both sides.</i> <i> I got six other kids
that I got to worry about.</i> <i> She's not gonna keep
playin' with this kid.</i> He actually got eight. <i> If Kourtney mine
Kourtney makes seven.</i> How old are you Mr. Grimes? <i> Twenty-three.</i> RAILEY: We just had a baby. We just had a baby together.
That's the eighth one. Uh-huh, uh-huh.
Now you all, uh-huh. No, no, no, no, no. Now you all, no. How many
kids you have Mr. Lloyd? This'll be my first child. You know what I'm saying. Um... (APPLAUSE) I actually, I actually, I actually went
and begged for my job back so I can support
my daughter. This would be
your first child? LLOYD: Yes, Your Honor. So this matters to you. Yes, Your Honor. But Ms. Railey has maintained
consistently throughout this hearing that you are not
Kourtney's biological father. But that still
does not sway you because you feel
like you are. It doesn't sway me
'cause I was already persuade that that was my baby. After Kourt... After
Kourtney was born did you call him back,
Ms. Railey, and say the baby
doesn't look like Mr. Grimes? I never said that she
doesn't look like him 'cause I see it all the way. Oh, she got pretty hair,
that's my baby. I said wait. Now don't say I got none. Hey I got... JUDGE LAKE: Oh, my god. (CROSS TALK) Hold on. Now wait, wait, wait. I'm not... Hold on.
I can't let you say
something that ignorant. Uh-huh, uh-huh, uh. No. No, no, no, no,
no. We can't say that. We can't say that. Nappy hair. JUDGE LAKE: No. We not
even gonna say that. Because the truth is
as a, as a people and honestly, you gotta take
that out your vocabulary. (APPLAUSE) And, we can go
one level deeper. The reason why
this courtroom exists is to help ensure that children don't have
to go without their father. So this ain't no joke to me
so don't come in here with no racial nonsense talking about baby's hair 'cause every piece of
that child is beautiful. And innocent. (APPLAUSE) Honestly. And, and whether
her hair is fine or coarse or whatever it is, it is
individually and uniquely hers given to her by God
and he don't make mistakes. So we gonna
correct that right now. I don't want to ever
hear you say that again. LLOYD: Um, Your Honor.
Can I say something? I hope it's intelligent. It is. It is
very intelligent. Um, what gave me the
reason that she is mine my Mom tells me
when I was little when she used to change
my diaper, I used to
do this diaper dance. JUDGE LAKE: Okay. I used to be excited. Kourtney does the same thing
when you change her diaper. And um, I have a birth mark
on my lef... On my left
side of my forehead as well as Kourtney.
That gave me a strong
doubt that it is mine. JUDGE LAKE: So you feel
like you've... Listen. You feel like you have
now for 18 months, you've made trips to see
this baby. You spent time with
this beautiful little girl and you look at her
and you feel like
there are similarities that confirm your belief
that she's yours? LLOYD: Yes, Your Honor. This would be
your first child? Yes, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE: So
this matters to you. Yes, Your Honor. So, Ms. Railey, you're saying you are
certain that Mr. Grimes
is her biological father? Yes, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE: Or are you saying that you have a
younger child together as well so
you just believe. Yes, Your Honor. <i> Oh no. I'll be back for
that one too to be
honest with you.</i> And that's my first time
hearing that one also. You have a doubt about
the subsequent child
as well, the paternity? <i> Yes, ma'am.</i> RAILEY: And that's what
makes me upset about this
whole situation because they be trying
to play me. Like I'm just this bad person, and this bad mother and
this bad... Just bad. And I'm not. I had a conversation
way before I even
turned seven months that he's not the father. I never told him that he
wasn't the father at all. And to hear him say
this in court today he would never ever
speak to me again unless it's about our
children. And that's it. It's no more going
back and forth 'cause I have been going
back and forth with
these two for too long and it's time for this to end. Either I'm gonna be with one
of 'em or neither one of 'em. And I want it to come out
today 'cause I'm done with it. Absolutely done. I don't
want the truth to... <i> Keep your legs closed
you won't go through this.</i> If you keep your penis
in your pants you won't
have this problem either. Lord, lord, lord. <i> You're right. But that's
why I don't think she mine
to be honest with you.</i> RAILEY: Well... JUDGE LAKE: Listen. DNA would say it all. JUDGE LAKE: Listen. Listen. Everybody in here has
a part to play in this. 'Cause none of you
protected yourselves. Y'all run around here
having too many babies
like you baby factory. I mean Detroit is
a factory town but this is not the type. (LAUGHTER) RAILEY: He's a
factory his own self. JUDGE LAKE: Hold on.
I'm from Detroit. I'm serious. (APPLAUSE) I'm serious. Jerome I'm ready
for the result. Let's get the answer to this
'cause we got to figure out
how we gonna move forward. You're 25, 25, 23. So Mr. Lloyd I just
wanna know from you. If this is your
biological child do you wanna have a
relationship with Ms. Railey? If, if Kourtney was mine
I'm gonna go down there and be a full-time parent with
my daughter and support her to the whole nine yards. JUDGE LAKE: And
is she is not? Then I go on with my life. (APPLAUSE) With my life. The results were prepared
by DNA Diagnostics and
they read as follows. In the case of
Lloyd v. Railey, pertaining to whether
Mr. Grimes or Mr. Lloyd is the father of one-year-old
Kourtney Railey Grimes... It has been determined
by this court... ...the biological father is... ...Mr... ...Lloyd. (APPLAUSE) <i> I'm happy for y'all.
Congratulations.
But you're done.</i> <i> I knew it from the start.
You done, bro.</i> Calm down. Because the
truth is it's not done. Because you might
have another baby. You potentially impregnated
the same girl again. <i> Man, you all believe that
if y'all want to.</i> <i> You all believe that
if y'all want to.</i> JUDGE LAKE: So you're
saying now that because of
this result you further doubt the, the next child. <i> The same thing we just
went through with this baby</i> <i> since he was doing the
same thing with this new baby.</i> <i> It's me and it's two
other guys that's
possible for this one.</i> <i> So, like I said,</i> <i> we'll be back sooner or later.</i> I don't know how
that's possible but... LLOYD: Your Honor... JUDGE LAKE: Okay. Um, I wanna know what
we're gonna do about her last name. I don't want
her to have that last name. Okay listen.
Listen, listen, listen. Let me get to
what I want to know. Do you still have the job? Yes, ma'am. JUDGE LAKE: Good. You don't worry
about chasing her. Yes, Your Honor. JUDGE LAKE: I'm gonna talk.
I'm keeping it real. At the end of the day it is not gonna be
about what you think
about her, Mr. Grimes or you think about
her, Mr. Lloyd. I'm concerned about
what Ms. Railey
thinks about herself. (APPLAUSE) That's it. 'Cause at the end of the day
that's what matters,
do you understand sweetheart? We have counseling
and resources for you. I want you to deal with
whatever's going on inside yourself that makes you
give yourself away for free. All right? (APPLAUSE) You have a bigger destiny
that being a baby factory. All right? Yes, ma'am. All right, I wish you all
the very best of luck. Take care of those
beautiful children.
Court is adjourned.
