14.7L of Mesh - The SSUPD Meshlicious SFF case!

s-s-u-p-d suppt or is it sup dog um how about suit because this is one heck of a souped-up case [Music] welcome to machines and more i'll stick to meshlicious for now to keep everyone happy but you know whatever you want to call it it's here this is the ssupd mesh delicious and right now it's starting to make its way into your hands which is awesome stuff lots of exciting times for sff this is going to be the first of quite a few episodes dedicated to this case today will be the initial overview and build and in the following videos to come i have a few quick mods to show and test and even though this is primarily a liquid coolers case i have a few ideas for air cooling to test and at some point this is going all the way to a full-blown custom loop but what we'll do today is start by validating specs discussing a few configuration options and for the initial build i'll be using an all-in-one liquid cooler we'll collect some baseline thermal data to compare it with the other it case the nr200p and then i'll share some airflow recommendations for what is going to be this pretty much vanilla build in this case so go ahead and hit that subscribe button to stay updated on all the videos related to this case so this one is a very special 14.7 liter case made possible by a partnership between lee lee and the designer also known for the encase n1 and form t1 welcome to the channel here it's a sandwich style layout meaning that your motherboard and your gpu are on opposing sides of one another but it's not your dan a4 layout where your i o end of your motherboard is on the same side as your gpu's i o instead this one is meant to be used vertically like a tower with the gpus i o on the bottom and the motherboard's i o on the back of the case now on the opposing side is the only official mounting location for your case and your rad fans you can have up to two 140 millimeter fans and you also have mounting holes for two 120 millimeter fans on the side of the case you can also run a 240 or a 280 millimeter rad the total clearance you have here is about 63 millimeters which means that with 25 millimeter fans a 35 millimeter rat is the largest reasonable option the gpu will connect to your itx motherboard with a riser cable and depending on which version of this case you get you may have a pcie 3.0 or 4.0 cable the one i have here for review is the 3.0 and honestly even with the pcie 4.0 gpus you're not missing out on much because the i o for the gpus on the bottom there is a cutout for you to get a display cable into here did come with a 90 degree hdmi cable and i will be using that for testing you can also get 90 degree adapters for both hdmi and displayport and use those there you also have the option to use a mini or small form factor gpu up to 211 millimeters long if you're not using a radiator and that does place the i o end of the card on the same end of the motherboard but given that this is a case already slanted towards liquid cooling i'm guessing that's not going to be too popular an option and with those gpu limitations it's going to be really hard to to put one there anyway all these panels are tool-less and they snap in with a magnetic-like precision and actually quite quietly too on the top this the mesh panel and you there are is an iteration with two mesh panels on the side but this one actually is the one with one glass and one vented panel and the glass is a little bit tinted not too dark but just i think just the right amount panels are surprisingly hefty for what they look like and that is good they're pretty sturdy small one millimeter round holes for ventilation the case does measure in at 363 millimeters tall 245 millimeters deep and 165 millimeters wide so the quoted volume is quite accurate although there is a protrusion at the back of the case for the small form factor gpu that is not accounted for for a regular graphics card you can go up to 332 millimeters long uh 155 millimeters tall or i guess in this case it's the width of the car and in the default configuration you have up to three slots of thickness which i'm going to estimate at about 60 millimeters to give you a little bit of safety buffer for your air cooler or aio cpu block 73 millimeters is the max there are a few configuration options that the user can choose first off this case does take atx power supplies under 170 millimeters in length and sfxl or sfx power supplies work just fine and if you're using an atx power supply then i'd make sure to get the all mesh side panel version otherwise it's going to be really tight there on airflow since it's on one side it's going to be right up against the glass and on the other right it up against the gpu i'd recommend an sfx though because if you're building in a small form factor case you're going to want to save that space for the sfx psu you do have a few options to consider if you are planning on using the tempered glass panel on the motherboard side there's two possible orientations with the psu plate in the stock out of the box low position you'll notice there's two screw hole options so if you want the fan facing out it's a good idea to offset it so that there is some space here about 13 millimeters and you can also flip the psu so that the fan faces in i'd place it as close as possible along the outside of the case so you get about 28 millimeters of space between the center divider now you could also raise the power supply up by flipping the plate but doing so does eliminate the outermost holes so you really only have the fan facing out option there is also an option to shift the entire motherboard tray here 19 millimeters out this involves unmounting this entire center assembly and swapping the top bar for an included shorter one and that does allow for a thicker gpu up to four slots of course that does take away your clearance above the motherboard to about 53 or 54 millimeters and many aio cp cpu blocks will exceed that restriction so your mileage may vary on that one your choice of card and psu will also determine your drive capacity because the only way to get three and a half inch drives into this case is if you run the small form factor card and use the included drive mounts to at the bottom with the vertical gpu layout you can have three two and a half inch ssds two can go at the bottom and another one can fit between the power supply and the gp the back of the gpu for this build i did consider going with ryzen 5000 and i probably will towards the later stages but for this initial setup i am going to go with the ryzen 7 3700x because i want a congruent comparison against the nr200p and with that i am going to use the asus b550 itx board there's a very specific reason for this particular board while it's not my favorite amd chipset itx board now it is one of the few boards that has a usbc front header which this case supports and you also have the option if you're running an intel cpu you can go with the z490 or z590 itx board and with few exception most of those will have a usbc front header except for the lower end ones the other reason i want this board is for the 10k pro header because we're going all the way to a custom loop and this one has a great fan header layout as well all along the top with the rgb ports here too so this is perfect for this case since the cable management location here there's a slot cut out at the top here to cool the cpu we can either go with a 280 or 240 for this case but i am going to go with a 240 to optimize on space and for that i'm going to use the cooler master ml 240 illusion it's a really nice eio one of my favorites right now but i will be swapping out the fans right away for the nacho nfa 12 by 25 since that's what the nr200 benchmarks were based off of but i think it's a good idea anyway these will be the only two fans and they will be doing double duty as a case and a rad fan so it wouldn't be a bad idea to upgrade it right away you can run these at a high minimum rpm without much of a noise penalty if you're concerned about the looks of the fan i also have the arctic p12 rgb on the review desk here they are a little bit different than the regular p12s but i will have a feedback and these should be a decent option for those looking for an rgb enabled fan that can still perform quietly again i've just yet to bench test these but they should be pretty decent for the ram kit team group sent by one of their extreme air gb kits in white 16 gigs through 200 megahertz good starting point for a ryzen build and big thanks to them and welcome to the channel as well so as you can see here the 30 70 fe it's not optimal because of the flow-through design being right up against the back of the motherboard but it is the card i have right now and it has been in a lot of case reviews especially the nr200p so let's just see how it works out of the box and then in the next video i'll try a few things to make this card work a lot better power supply will be the 850 watt cooler master sfx unit this revised unit will give us a little bit of extra airflow because this fan will be running pretty much all the time and lastly the one terabyte crucial m.2 mvme here the back of the motherboard is going to be a miserable place for an m.2 so i'm just going to get a go ahead and recommend to get big one prices on these are pretty reasonable now so one terabyte should be good enough that you don't need the slot in the back sata drives are also an option too for now or future expansion you just mount them at the bottom of the case but let's just keep it simple for cabling right now and let's get building to start this build i'm going to mount up the radiator and the cables first and this will help give us a good idea of where the cables can go then i'll pop the power supply in place with the plate oriented this way we'll offset from the glass a little bit then we can work on motherboard mount up the m.2 drive the cpu and the ram it's fine to mount the ao pump head right now too this one uses the stock back plate and it's pretty easy now since this psu is modular i can connect the cables on the motherboard end first so just pop the 24 pin atx and the eps cable for the cpu on and you'll notice i haven't actually mounted the board in place yet i'm going to do something specifically but because this one i have is the pcie 3.0 riser cable version and so i'm going to lay the board down on a non-conductive surface and just put the graphics card in directly there's a good reason to do this besides just testing if your system will post for any pcie 4.0 compatible board so in other words x570 and b550 with ryzen 3000 or above processor or z590 b560 or select z490 and intel 11th gen rocket lake we want to minimize any potential problems by setting the expansion slot to gen 3 instead of auto if you don't potentially you will have to take the board out and do this anyway in case you can't post now i don't have the gen 4 cable shipping with other meshlicious kits but i'd imagine it'd be fine without setting to gen4 specifically so once that's done i can mount the board i want to snake the i o cables underneath the motherboard this way but you can also zip tie them along the frame and just run them across now we can back channel and connect up our cables to the power supply go ahead and hook up your gpu cable while you're there i'll cinch these down with the included zip ties so they stay organized and just flip around pop the card in connect up the power you can hook up the fan cables the rgb and that's all done remarkably easy [Music] [Music] so [Music] so so here it is all complete a few build notes for your reference you'll notice i took out this top rib when i was building and that makes it possible to route the tubes of the aio around the divider and i would just position the radiator barbs at the top and then you might have to manage the tubes this way just by curling it around and rotating the pump head as for the panel placement if you have one tempered glass panel and one vented panel like this unit i have the sensible placement is to vent the gpu and close off the motherboard side and it's an ai on this side anyway so the glass really doesn't matter we'll cover the air cooling options separately for cable management i've opted to snake the cables along the divider and cinch them down with a zip tie there's a few anchoring points along the divider which is really convenient and lastly for the power supply i pretty much had to run the fan facing out because of the length of the 24 pin atx cable here was not sufficient to do it the other way and depending on your choice of power supply you might face a dilemma like that as well either way it will be okay with an sfx unit there's a huge air gap open along the psu towards the back of the case so some additional air can come in anyway just don't put your fan right up against the glass and you should be fine i am a bit concerned about the back of the motherboard being exposed directly to the heat from the graphics card especially with this flow-through design so i think good airflow is key here because these are your only case radiator fans i would recommend setting your curves so you have a bare minimum a floor of a thousand rpm running all the time if not higher at 1200 rpm especially with these fans you won't hear them anyway and then just ramp up from there because if you do index your fan speeds against your cpu temps your motherboard and your gpu might not be getting good airflow simply because at that particular moment your cpu might not be running hard lastly i'll cover the thermals in just a second but because i settled on exhaust mode for these fans i did opt for a fan grill for the fan adjacent to the motherboard just to prevent the cables from getting caught in the fan and rubbing up against the blades airflow in this case is really simple due to just two fans so i tested combined thermals first for both intake and exhaust by running red dead 2 on 1440p and this was running at about 70 to 80 fps with this graphics card pretty much full throttle on the card cpu was locked at 4.3 gigahertz and 1.25 volts rad fans at 1550 rpm gpu fans at 50 so this gives a noise level at about three or so decibels above the noise floor same test and noise level that i benched the nr200p with and well at least for the initial build you don't really have any great options as you can see here and either two options are okay they're viable depending on your priorities but due to the proximity of your graphics card to your radiator there's a very strong interdependence between the two components in the combined scenario for the intake option you're pushing hot air right at the card so it's not great especially with the flow-through car design here already being sub-optimal this is really bad and when you flip the fans the other way is the exhaust the gpu does actually become quite decent surprisingly the negative pressure does help the card pull in additional air but while this is okay for gaming that's some pretty rough going for the cpu at this point since the rad is actively sucking in all the exhaust it's not to the point where i'd be concerned yet um just because of utilization on the cpu this isn't going to be unique to the flow through design of this cart because even you had a car dumping heat through the sides into the case the radiator is so close that it almost doesn't matter where that exhaust goes as long as it's in the proximity of it so if you will see combined gaming use at moderate frame rates which i'd imagine a lot of you are building this just for that purpose i think the only viable option prior to doing any mods is exhaust just because you do have a little bit more room for the cpu you can always run a 280. the gpu is right up against the wall if you run the rad fans as intake throwing in the nr 200p in its optimal vertical configuration with bottom to top airflow the fans for the nr200p are running lower because there are four of them for the same noise level but otherwise the meshlicious gpu temps are fairly comparable but you do see a pretty large gap for those cpu thermals i'd anticipate that the best layout when i'm done with some soft mods on this case is going to end up being intake for the rad fans but if we keep with the exhaust as the optimal setup just for the time being we can compare against the nr200p for this test previously the nr200p was tested with the stock be quiet fans but even with the weaker fans that typically perform at about a two or so degree deficit to the nfa 12 by 25s at this noise level the nr200 pcp only thermals are still better by a significant margin with that let's take a listen to the acoustics at varying fan levels starting with the minimum 1000 rpm i'd recommend and topping out at the tested 1550 rpm level i'm not keen on the fact that these are the only intake or exhaust but that is one of those concessions in order to get to this 14.7 liter form factor although the similar volume encase m1 does have more fan options now that end case is going to be a fairer comparison in terms of volume to the meshlicious but the nr200p is more similar in price and i can only imagine that a lot more of you are choosing between that and the meshlicious so i'll frame some of the qualitative points in light of that so in terms of build and material quality this one is fairly good steel construction the mesh panels are solid and hefty the toolless mounts do feel slightly nicer than the cooler master ones but there's not really that much between them but design wise this layout is great it's really really easy to get in and out of this case and the build experience is a bit easier with this one cable management is simple and there's much easier access to the power supply because it's turned to the site there's not quite as many layout options though with this one for one the nr200 does allow a horizontal gpu position which is far superior especially combined with the bottom intake fans and in that scenario this 370fe does top out at only 70 degrees or so the position of the aio's radiator relative to the pump block does mitigate any concerns for air pocket build up in the nr200p with the glass panel you really do have to choose between a handful of aios if you want a bottom mount for optimal performance but this one works great with most units fronio is adequate it's different than the nr200 since it does only have one a but it has one c and i do really like just having one single a since the thick usb-a cables twinned onto one header is often a pain to cable manage and of course the c is a really nice touch and modernized but these do come at an expense the c headers are an expense to the manufacturer the mesh delicious doesn't come with any case fans and the nr200p does and yeah maybe you don't need them with meshlicious if you're running an aio but that is a concession nonetheless drive capacity is a bit better for the nr200 it doesn't come with a drive cage to allow you to run a huge stack of ssds when you're using a small gpu but you can run a three and a half hdds with a lot of nr200p setups and a regular gpu and at that point you still have those two ssds available in the front of the case power supply compatibility is about the same in both now that nr200 has an atx option the difference being really that if you do want to go with an atx supply on this case you re you will want that all mesh version thermally speaking the nr200 is superior with more options for air cooling more options for rad mounting and the biggest gain from those three or so odd leaders is those extra two case fans with the option to run more depending on what you want to achieve the end case also allows two bottom fans with the gpu along with two rad fans on the side so that is also a very good layout and realistically i don't see this case competing with either of those in terms of performance simply because of the fan options but here's the thing i really like this case if you like aios i think you'll love this case for 110 us in this version you're getting a lot of features it's a very unique vertical layout that is a lot of fun to build in it's visually interesting it's fun to display and look at the component placement approach is really novel and the beauty of this case is that it's not your usual horizontal layout it's not your typical sandwich layout heck it's not your typical vertical tower with a fire hazard of a riser cable either it's a thinking outside the box approach to small form factor a refreshingly different compact case in a league of its own and i guess you can only call this one sunnyside up so that'll do it for this initial review i left links down below for the components i hope you found this information helpful and thanks for taking an initial look at this case with me thumbs up if you liked it please subscribe and stay tuned for additional content on this guy and i will see you again soon you

Channel: Machines & More

Views: 29,689

Keywords: Suppd, sspud, Meshilicious, Meshalicious

Id: BpYJIOPSi60

Length: 23min 10sec (1390 seconds)

Published: Tue Jun 15 2021