“You Advocate For The DEVIL” Professor DEFENDS Dead Iran President Raisi

the president of Iran is dead Ibraham ryy was killed in a helicopter crash yesterday along with the country's foreign minister and several others Ry was a hardlining cleric who was close to Iran's supreme leader many believed he was even his likely successor rise he was also part of the so-called death commission which ordered the extrajudicial executions of thousands of Cal prisoners in 1988 his current Iranian regime stands accused of sewing chaos in the Middle East through his Triple H proxies Hezbollah the houis and Hamas so is the Middle East and the world a safer place today and in significant developments elsewhere could Israel's prime minister Benjamin Netanyahu face arrest for war crimes after major announcements from the international criminal court we'll debate that in a moment but first with a view from Iran Professor Muhammad Mandi from the University of Teran Professor thank you for coming back on uncensored first of all your reaction uh to the death of the President yesterday obviously everyone that I know is uh in morning he was a very popular figure he was a very humble person uh very different from the description that you gave he worked very hard uh for the deprived the working class uh the disenfranchise he traveled from City to City from town to town he was constantly uh visiting the different provinces and uh that's why he was so popular among especially as I said uh the more disenfranchised and middle class lower middle class Iranians I mean you've painted what many would would view as a ridiculous picture of a man dubb The Butcher of Tran uh somebody whose death was greeted by many women posting images of themselves celebrating his death because of the appalling suppression that he put them under and we know that he was responsible for the deaths of many thousands of political prisoners um so I don't quite categorize him as a as the person that you're trying to describe to us well obviously what you're saying is uh is inaccurate to say the least I would say The Butchers are in London in Washington the people who destroyed Iraq Afghanistan Yemen during the uh disgraceful genocide there the dirty war in Syria the destruction of Libya the sanctions on Venezuela and Cuba I I think that the the real monsters are actually much more closer to home he was a part of the Judiciary and those people that you were saying were executed were he he wasn't executing people he was uh in the Judiciary at the time and the people who you're alluding to and the numbers are far less than what you claim they're actually this is something that your government should be ashamed of these are people who fought against Iran they fought for Saddam Hussein as foot soldiers they betrayed the country They carried out bomb attacks in this country killing up to 17 ,000 people including president a prime minister head of Judiciary a bomb explosion near my house when I was a school student and I was getting ready to go to school uh it killed nine to 11 people including an Armenian family of four these are the people who you're saying they were murdered by Iranians no that in Iran no one has any sympathy for the me terrorist organization which today has a major base in Albania and it has uh offices across Europe and North America so it is your government that's supporting terrorism it is your government and your government that are really the brutal uh regimes that the you know Professor you came on a you came on you came on and spun this sort of stuff last time with the same smirk that you're doing it with this time and the reason I find the smirk so irksome is because everybody actually outside of your office right now is looking at this thinking is this guy for real given that Iran's tentacles in terms of terrorism are very transparently flowing through the three hes as I described them uh Hezbollah hutis Hamas we know that uh your country Iran through its regime has been responsible for horrendous terrorism now for a very long time why do you expect people watching these interviews when you do them to just calmly believe you when you say that all the bad guys are everybody else and the downtrodden oppressed much misunderstood people of the Iranian regime that is despised by so many people in Iran itself no and Iran will see uh during the funeral ceremonies how popular president Reay he was just like General Suman four years ago people like you were saying the same thing about him but we saw Millions come to the street just because in the west you say this sort of thing doesn't mean that that's the reality on the ground over here Hezbollah was an a group that was created as a result of the Israeli regime's invasion of Lebanon they went and captured the capital in 1982 Hezbollah was created as a result of this illegitimate and brutal occupation they expelled the brutal apar ethnos supremacist regime from Lebanon and Hamas is and other groups in Palestine are the result of 76 years of Oppression ethnic cleansing and BR Brut ality and a parthe from this same regime so when when you speak about the houis or an you're talking about a decade of genocide carried out by the Sodis and the emiratis who are your allies and your governments were supporting them your government star starved the people of Yemen to bring them to their knees but you failed and you failed today as well so no you cannot blame the victims 911 we were told that alqaeda carried out the attacks on the Twin Towers who was Al-Qaeda they were working with you in Afghanistan and then 10 years later in Syria in Libya Al-Qaeda was cooperating with you we have an email from Jake Sullivan February the 12th 2012 where he sent that he sent to Hillary Clinton where he said in Syria Al-Qaeda is on our side the dirty war in Syria the Dirty War in Libya is yours these are your crimes and you cannot escape from it so we are the victims and your ugly Empire is guilty as it is guilty in the genocide today in Gaza I wonder how many people watching this around the world and there'll be a lot will look at the situation with the current Iranian regime and think the word victim is appropriate particularly given that President RI that you paint such a idilic picture of as a human being somebody who only cared about the downtrodden this is a man of course ordered tighter enforcement of Iran's hijab and Chastity law restricting women's dress and behavior it was under those orders that 22-year-old Masa amini was detained in September 2022 by Iran's morality police for wearing improper hijab and died three days later in hospital sparking Mass unrest that doesn't sound like the kind of guy you're trying to describe to me it sounds like a guy who is trying to dictate to women how they should dress how they should behave you understand that in the west we look at that as reprehensible Behavior no in the west you objectify women you commodify women and you sexualize women and you have Epstein and many Epstein who control women the freedom to dress how they wish why would why why would you decline them that freedom no we in Iran we have women pilots we have women scientists my boss at the University of tan the dean of my faculty as a woman for the 21 years that I've been an academic at the University of Teran 17 and a half of those years the dean of my faculty was one woman or another don't misre represent Iran it doesn't work anymore pierce your Western Empire is on the decline the whole of the global South is witnessing the crimes that are being carried out by your regimes and your declining regimes are now despised by your own people your crushing people students who are protesting genocide you're not even crushing students who are protesting your own government for something that they're doing at home you're crushing students for protesting genocide in another country but uh you can't tolerate that and your media is controlled by a bunch of a group of rich people they control the narrative and you call that a democracy your choice is either Hillary Clinton or Biden or Trump and then when that decision is made the whole of Europe Canada the UK Australia and New Zealand fall in line as good soldiers you don't have democracy so don't pretend that you are above Iran out of Interest Professor us you ow us out of interest do you think women should have freedom to dress how they wish that is not your concern I'm asking you question I'm asking a question that is not your concern I do you have an answer for me or no women women should have a freedom to dress within the cultural within the cultural of context of every society women and men do not have the freedom to dress any way they like in your country so different societies have different cultures do I can dress how the hell I like well no you can you cannot you can you can then take off your clothes right now in front of the camera don't talk nonsense I could take my clothes off if I wanted to every society has its own culture we don't follow to be clear I mean you're you're trying to avoid the question just to be clear well just let me ask you let me ask you the question again you're you're a smart guy you're a professor and you're full of the ills of the West do you think women should be free to dress how they like no I told you I as I told you very clearly you don't agree wom women should have the freedom to dress the way they like but in our culture the sexualization objectification and commodification of women is unacceptable it is your society that drives and pushes women I'll get you another lecture about my Society just to be clear just to be clear what you mean is you would like they women are pilots most of my University students are women the last person who we hired in my department was a woman I am an affiliate in another department as well at the University of Teran the last two people we hired as academics there are women too you cannot misrepresent Iran simp I simply asked you Professor if you felt women should have the freedom to dress how they wish and you you cannot answer me because actually you don't think they should no because I didn't I are free to they should be free to dress as they like within the cultural and religious context just to be clear and just to be clear just to be clear one okay you can keep shouting or you can answer my question just to be clear that would be within the realm of Iran's hijab and Chastity law would it I don't know the a precise law and I'm not going to get involved in that debate that's it was President RI who tightened enforcement of that law so you must be aware of it you're confess you're very smart guy no actually you I hope you're smart too Mr R he did not tighten the law or he didn't enforce it you just said you don't know anything about the law no I don't know you either know about it or you don't sounds like you're very well informed I know I know you're trying to escape the argument actually I'm trying to ask you a simple question the truth is this guy you're trying to paint as some kind of Saint right was somebody who led a Draconian enforcement of how women in Iran and that led to a young woman who was being detained by your morality police and uh because she was wearing an improper hijab and she died in hospital three days later sparking Mass unrest where more people got punished that's the reality of this Utopia you paint in Iran it's a it's a place that actually far from encouraging women to be these great Champions as you put it actually wants to suppress and control them uh and that was led by President RI but anyway you want to keep talking you want to keep talking because you to run out the clock because we know quite well and so do you that your regime and your government are the ones that are destroying our part of the world and you're speaking about a law in Iran that most people accept and that it is part of a different culture than yours but you think that our society and all other societies have to behave like yours and that's not necessarily the case and you think that necessarily because a woman wears a head scarf that that woman is somehow intellectually less or that she's oppressed that's your ignorance that is your ignorance your if a woman let me let me be very clear to you if a woman if a woman chooses to do that if a woman chooses to do that that's fine it's the idea of people like you endorsing a law that orders a certain way I find objectionable because in the west increasingly PE women who have hijab are being uh sidelined they're losing their their jobs whether it's in France whether it's in England and in other parts of Europe so don't pretend that this is not the case but in any case women in Iran whether they wear a head scarf or not most of the most of the University students in Iran are women and women in Iran know how to deal with their rights much better than you we don't need you your government and your fil is that why they all take to the streets to protest against the regime am I imagining things again you will see women take to the streets during the funeral and then I will wonder what how are you going to explain that way or is it North Korea and how the evil mullah are forcing people to come to the street a lot of that yeah lot of that yeah I'm sure absolutely there is yeah when you have a morality police you get told what your moral should be and how to behave that's the point of morality police anyway we run out of time we run down the clock I give you more time I intended to one just one fin point you have never been to Iran you know nothing about Iran I know many people who have no you've never been last time you came on this program you tried to pretend that the regime has the widespread support of Iranian people it doesn't it doesn't if that is believ as many as 80% of Iranian people loathe and despise your totalitarian regime in your wild dreams that's the case but you're the same person who gives a voice to the genocidal regime of Israel and you Advocate the devil okay well we're going to have a member of the devil uh next on the program Professor uh thank you very much for coming back thank you well joining me now in the studio is former IDF spokesman Lieutenant Colonel Jonathan conriquez uh credit to see you in person your reaction first of all to that interview well I think he's a very eloquent spokesperson and I give him credit for appropriating all of the right Western liberal buzzwords in order to carry and represent a very backwards cruel brutal regime that from my perspective as an Israeli who lives in Israel and intents on continuing to live there is really the source of most of the instability violence Terror and bloodshed that Israeli civilians face and he does a good job at distorting reality uh he lies very well and he appropriates Western culture but I think for people that have you know basic knowledge of what's going on in the Middle East definitely for Israelis who face the bullets and the terror and the bombs of Iranian proxies that really doesn't strike a tone and uh I think he's a good spokesperson and maybe now that the Minister of Foreign Affairs died in an accident he could represent Iran and he could do a good job of selling it to unwilling or unwitty people in the west and they may fall for that kind of rhetoric what what is your belief about the the number of people in Iran who detest the regime I don't know and it's very difficult to know there are people at FDD where I work foundation for defense of democracies who track the amount of protests and unrest and the way that people in Iran vo their um hatred or their descent towards this oppressive regime sadly there used to be a heat map of those protest around the country that heat map is today totally blank the regime has been very effective very um harsh in actually taking down all of those protests and most people are either dead or prisoned or otherwise silenced um so they're quite effective but you know the East German regime was quite effective until it wasn't and the Soviet regime was quite effective and cast a long Shadow until it wasn't the Iranian regime just like every other repressive regime every other non-democratic regime will go the same place place the same they have a place reserved in the trash bin of History the ilks of that Professor even though he's very eloquent he will be alongside the same the same people um and it will I think it will be a very good thing for the Middle East it will be great for stability and prosperity in the Middle East once that regime is gone do you believe President Ry died in a in an accident or as some people believe could it have been a deliberate yeah of course that was uh obvious that people people would think that it was something deliberate some of the enemies of the Islamic Republic the US Israel as far as I know and I have asked Israeli officials did Israel have any party in it clear unequivocal no Israel didn't and I don't think that the US had either and we know from past experiences in Israel as well helicopters do crash and people do die when they fly he was called The Butcher of teram was justified name for good reason I SP I've spoken with Mark dubit at FD he's been following RI and his ilk for the better part of 25 years the list of atrocities of cruel be uh hangings out in the middle of the street in order to terrorize other people to fall in line and to act in accordance with the regime ER the executions the rape the torture if you are if the professor would be sincere enough to go on Twitter and look at testimonials of Iranian men and women who are now in safety in the west telling their stories of torture and very un very cruel treatment of them then the picture of who RI was would be much clearer and yes the Butcher of tan I think is a good descri description of who he was will will his death have any real consequence for the regime so the second sentence that the supreme leader said in in an audio message message was our dear citizens of Iran do not fear there will not be any rupture of services to of of governmental Services which is translated in plain language don't even think about revolting because we have this under wraps and this is not an opportunity for you to rise up H and I don't think that it will I think that the Middle East will be a much better place once the Iranian regime is relegated to the Dustbin of history but I'm not sure that this is enough for that to happen let's move to another break breaking story today this is the international criminal court seeking arrest warrants for various Hamas leaders uh and also for Israel's prime minister Benjamin yahu on charges of war crimes crimes against humanity over uh what has been going on in this war um these allegations which have been put there against Netanyahu uh and Galant who of course the Minister of Defense of Israel say they bear criminal responsibility for the following war crimes uh and crimes against humanity committed on the territory of the State of Palestine in the Gaza Strip from October the 8th starvation of civilians as a method of warfare as a war crime contrary to article 8 of the statute willfully causing great suffering or Serious injury to body or health uh or cruel treatment as a war crime willful killing contrary to uh article 82 or murder as a war crime contrary to article 82 uh B2 I think 8 2 82 inter intentionally directing attacks against the civilian population as a war crime contrary to articles 82 extermination Andor murder contrary to article 7171 including in the context of death caused by starvation as a crime against humanity and persecution as a crime against humanity contrary to article 71 these incredibly serious charges that the international criminal court has laid down what is your response to this for me this is a very sad day as an Israeli as someone who believes that I believe in the International System of Law and Order for me this is a betrayal I see a power drunk prosecutor overstepping his boundaries overstepping his jurisdiction and making a totally unfounded political biased decision against a democracy if RI was alive today he should have been subpoena and indicted he never was neither was Bashar Al Assad neither was mamar KFI or many other leaders who actually did war crimes and horrible crimes against humanity were proud to do it but they were never indicted and to see these kinds of allegations and of course the criminal court has to approve of it of prosecutor Khan's uh recommendations and I really hope that the court doesn't and upholds the last level of legitimacy of the ICC they have an opportunity to do that if they concur with the prosecutor with the power drunk prosecutor I think this is a really black day in the history of the IC I'm sad to see it I think they are morally unfounded reprehensible and really a prize for the ilks of the professor that spoke before the Iranian regime and terrorist worldwide they are rejoicing there are many people who believe the following that what herass did was a shameful terror attack uh which took the lives of 12200 people and wounded nearly 7,000 more that it was horrific and completely unacceptable and should be condemned immediately um but who also believe that notwithstanding Israel's right if not a duty to protect its people particularly given hamas's stated intent to keep doing these kind of attacks uh that the response by Israel has now gone way too far that the civilian casualty toll in an area densely populated with so many of them being under 18 half the country under 18 that the death toll on children which whatever figure you take it's generally accepted is well over 10,000 now and women who have got nothing to do with this obviously that this has gone too far America certainly believes this and thinks that the next phase the Final Phase as netan has put it of attacking Rafa where there are hundreds of thousands if not millions of people waiting uh to see what their fate may be that all of this is too much too far that Israel needs to stop what do you say I think that those people I welcome them and I want to listen to their opinion but I welcome them to live in Israel and to be in southern Israel and to understand that a simple civilian cannot live safely within their homes in the internationally recognized borders of Israel 47 partition plan 48 Israel 49 Armes all of the line on our side Israelis cannot live safely as long as Hamas exists now it would be easier for Israel and it would be easier for Palestinians if Hamas came out and fought Israel not hiding behind civilians it would make life much easier for us and it would spare a lot of civilians but Kamas chooses not to and they leave Israel with actually no choice it's either forfeiting the responsibility to defend Sovereign Israel and to defend Israeli civilians or avoiding killing Palestinians and unfortunately what Israel is left with is two hard choices but I think any country any government and whether you like prime minister Netanyahu or you don't it doesn't matter any government has the responsibility to protect there's inreasing evidence that the Americans are putting forward they simply not working that Hamas is regrouping in the north which has been pretty much demolished but they're regrouping in the north and that all you will achieve by going into Rafa and killing in the process of going after the remaining uh Hamas battle groups all you will achieve is killing thousands and thousands more civilians in the process and that that is simply not worth going after the remaining members of Hamas that you've made your point you've decimated Gaza you've wiped out that wasn't the point the point wasn't to decimate Gaza as far as I understand the point is understand that but that has been the consequence of the way the war is been executed and you know even for someone like me that has you know often to Great controversial response from Pro Palestinian groups has consistently tried to take people back to October the 7th and say you have to start from a place of condemning this appalling terror attack and understanding Israel has a right to defend itself that there have to be limits yeah you know in terms of running the War I believe that we could have been past taking RAF already seven months have passed and in terms of momentum you know there's a military principle of continuity and that you keep the pressure on the enemy we failed that we didn't keep the pressure on Hamas we were held back by Hamas dangling the hostages in front of us and that allowed us to be sidetracked sadly out of a commitment to get our hostages back our 128 remaining hostages that was what delayed the invasion of RAF now many people told me and others that RAF cannot be evacuated that there is a million1 Palestinians where are they all going to go first of all they already have went they're not where are they going to go they have gone they've gone to the masasi and they've gone to the outskirts of they all just left Rafa 800,000 and again I don't like quoting unra but I will quote unra 800,000 Palestinians have left RAF as per unra and that's three days ago so how many are left so there's maybe 200,000 maybe 300,000 left there were said to be 1.5 million there and they will leave as well and in any area where the Israeli troops are Mo I would say that there's between 99 90% 95% of the population has already what you actually trying to achieve here because you see your War cabinet of three people already splintering yeah they can't agree on what happens next Netanyahu driven it seems to me by the more hard-right members of his cabinet is being taken to a place which most people find completely unacceptable where Israel would have kind a military occupation of Gaza in perpetuity going forward with no time limit uh nobody want wants to see that nobody wants to see neither does the IDF and neither does the defense establishment but I think that we're in a situation where you know if we want to fast forward this what's the aim so you don't agree with that I what I think needs to happen what I agree with is that Israel has to defeat Hamas as cliche as it sounds for there to be a different future look like for there to be a future a different future for gazans and a different future for Israelis Hamas has to be defeated but not only defeated not like the Taliban wasn't defeated Hamas needs to be defeated in such a way that will inspire confidence with Palestinians to be brave enough to take a step towards a differenta how you do that by killing all their kids you don't we try very hard not to killid you are killing a lot of their kids kids have been killed but I think that there is a do you know how many that's a good question well it was a question I want to play a clip this is from a ay heyman's interview I did with him where he told me exactly how many Hamas terrorists have been killed when I tried to get him to say how many civilians you said this how many civilians do you believe you've killed we we don't have exact figures as you know it's the fog of War that's quite extraordinary you're an official spokesman for the Israeli government and you have no idea how many civilians you've killed it's not that I don't know I'm not authorized to give the information I don't have the information that's complete nonsense why are you authorized to give me the number of terrorists you've killed but not the number of civilians I don't understand can you explain why is it you've kept a record of one but not the other I I personally don't have that information to give to you you can ask me over and over I'm not going to come up with more information I don't personally I mean he didn't seem to know but I I found it extraordinary that he wanted to sound convincing that he knew exactly how many terrorists have been killed by the IDF but he wouldn't prepare to even give me a ballp part figure of civilians right and the ball figure that I have based on IDF and also what the Prime Minister said a few days ago in an interview in one of the American networks is that we're talking about 18,000 civilians as opposed to 14,000 or perhaps 15,000 combatants those are the numbers I know but you know we have to be fair how do you know exactly we have to be fair nobody really knows counting dead terrorists is a very difficult thing to do and Counting dead civilians or non-combatants sometimes is even more difficult because all of the combatants dress as civilians so it's so you don't really know do you it's difficult to know there are assessments made in good faith by the Israeli Intel by the Israeli military that take different sources unra Hamas Health Ministry Hamas propaganda and what our troops see on the ground as well and then they compile it together and they give an estimate and this has been said that we estimate that there's such and such many people killed it's I think much better than what Hamas and the UN un institutions have been doing which is just pedling false information let me legitimacy so you think that the Rafa Invasion should happen I think that Israel has no choice but to defeat take me through what you go through Rafa right thousand you take out the tunnels you take out the tunnels hopefully right you you find the hostages yeah at what point do you know you've got rid of herass also a very good question and I think that's a combination of military capabilities leaders we have to take symbols either sinir or def or the two of them and some type of moment where enough Hamas combatants understand that there's nothing left to fight for as long as the tunnels are open Hamas knows that the moment the Israeli troops withdraw from Gaza they will rebuild their capabilities and they will be able to come out of hiding how do you kill the ideology you don't kill the IDE ideology just like Isis how how do you not expect that ideology which fueled October the 7th not to be equally fueled by the slaughter of so many children I don't think that there was what you described I don't think that is the case I think that Israel has gone to Great Lengths in order to minimize you can't dispute there's been a Slaughter of children I mean would you would argue it's Justified collateral damage going after a terror group okay that's that's an argument but you can't deny there has been a mass children no I wouldn't put it in those words I would say that yes unfortunately non-combatants have been killed and it's regrettable but unfortunately so many children have been killed children have been killed women have been killed my point is if you lost a child in this why would you not gravitate to the IDE ideology of the people who want to hit list I've lost friends I've lost friends on the 7th of October civilian friends I've had friends whose bodies are held by by Kamas I have a friend he's military but his body has been held by Hamas and his family is in grieving without a tomb to cry on that doesn't turn me into a raving jihadist just because my enemies are cruel to me that doesn't justify it and the in issue here of intention the intention of Israel is not to kill civilians we are doing a lot in order to minimize the killing civilians once this war is over and thank God please that it ends sooner rather later what is the next step I mean who runs Gaza Netanyahu seems to be moving as I said towards a place where there's a military occupation an Israeli military occupation which is exactly what my next guest will almost certainly say that's exactly what has got us to this place in the first place yeah I think that's what's missing at this current stage is a clear Israeli plan that has us backing and Regional buyin that says this is the alternative to H what do you think it should be I think it should be Palestinian rule based on civil society Palestinian that's exactly why I said in the beginning that first Hamas needs to be defeated until Hamas is defeated they will be the fallback there will be a Hamas 2.0 if they are not roundly and decisively defeated once they are and I believe that they can be contrary to what many people think believe or wish against Israel I think that Hamas can be defeated for the better for Palestinian civilians and for the better of God the Palestines would would run Gaza first of all I think it we have to talk about an entering period this isn't going to be democracy in you know an instant it's going to be a transition period there will need to be some kind of interational helping hand American Arab Israeli we will have to make sure that it doesn't become and does that lead the formation of a Palestinian State I don't know I think that our what I would like why shouldn't they be allowed their own State I think that there should eventually be a peaceful solution to why Palestinians which they haven't had for many decades now why shouldn't they have exactly the same rights frankly because they've frankly first of all rights is a different matter but what they have shown through corruption poor leadership and a draw towards extremism is that they aren't ready prime minister is facing corruption charges he is indeed what's the difference well there is a difference between the Palestinian Authority between the Palestinian Authority and I don't know you say that you say that there's corruption on their side there corruption alleged corruption on your side if you ask your leader if you ask the average Palestinian how corrupt the PA is I think that you'll get a very decisive answer about it Mahmud Abbas is in his 19th year of a four-year term that is something that cannot fly and I'm appalled by the fact that this organization is touted as the solution for the day after is Benjamin nety the solution to anything here now because most Israelis and the polls I've seen they support finishing this war but they do not support him remaining as prime minister once it's over I think that's correct and what I think we need Israel I think that what we need in Israel is Unity around a leadership that has the trust of the Zionist majority in Israel who is that person yet to be really established but it definitely who would be a candidate for you well there there are many there are many that give a good one well I think that there are I don't want to get into politics and give my endorsement I'm just curious who who people like you may think could be contended for that that very crucial position going forward I think that what needs to happen now is for a process to start whereby the trust of the Zionist Jewish population is re re rewon by the leadership uh that isn't the situation today and of course our enemies are benefiting from it from the fact that there is not enough cohesion and that we're lacking in unity and as you said the cabinet is struggling in providing a strategy going forward that serves Hamas it's serves the Iranians and it serves the Palestinian Authority sadly it doesn't serve the Israeli I mean the one lesson we've learned surely from this Millennium is don't start a war if you've got no plan for after the war ends well Israel didn't start it they would say on the other side that this didn't start on October the 7th yes they can go back to the bord Declaration then they can go back to 1882 really less significant from my point of view Israel has offered the Palestinians four different uh opportunities for Statehood to end the conflict each and every time Israel got to know and there were sincere offers with Maps land swaps population swaps Etc and all of those uh very honest and sincere proposals got a no because no Palestinian leader until this day has has been able to say yes I want to end the conflict okay L Kel thank you very much thank you for joining me well I'm joined now by the founder and leader of the Palestinian national initiative Mustafa bouti uh Mustafa welcome back to uncensored we had a rather fractur debate involving you last time so this time I'm going to give you a bit more time to uh say what you wish to say without being shouted out or interrupted so first of all I know you caught some of that interview there with liutenant Colonel uh who was explaining obviously the Israeli side of things allbe it not necessarily the view that that Benjamin Netanyahu might have said to me if he gave me an interview which he won't do um what was your reaction to what you were hearing well I'm afraid that Mr rickus your guest previous guest could also be accused of committing War crime by calling for ethnic cleansing in the beginning of this War I think he is the one who called for the eviction of all Palestinians in Gaza to the desert of Sinai I don't think it was him he's shaking his head maybe it's not it's pry a pretty serious charge to make against someone who's sitting here saying well that's what Netanyahu that's what Netanyahu said that's what the spokesperson of the Israeli military at the time said yeah okay but it it wasn't you it was somebody else but that's exactly what what what they called for and uh in my opinion uh the claim that Palestinians don't want peace and don't want a solution is absolutely incorrect if that was the case why Israel does not offer now Palestinians a right to be free free from occupation and a right to have a state of their own uh or offer Us full equal citizenship in one Democratic state where we can all have equal rights and equal duties but none of that is acceptable to the Israeli establishment and I don't know I mean by that Netanyahu it's also gants and laid and all the others who don't want to allow Palestinians to have the right to self-determination like everybody else so what is their solution if they refuse two State solution refuse one state solution their solution is ethnic cleansing exactly what is happening today in Gaza and the solution is genocide look I don't know how the Israelis look at themselves at this moment when their government their leader of their army and their prime minister is being accused of war crimes in the international criminal court and the whole of Israel is accused of genocide in the international court of justice you cannot accuse every International Court in the world of being anti-semitic or being as as as was said uh uh drunk with power the same man who issued this statement today Mr Karim Khan was praised so highly for his uh his charges of Putin now he has become a a power drunk I don't think so I think the problem is that Israel all people with respect to jump in uh Mr there are people you've not mentioned who've also been charged with war crimes today and that's the three leaders of Hamas why have you not mentioned them okay no no I'm not denying that this was another accusation but I think any proper investigation we find out you accept to mass committee war crimes no no no I don't accept that but I think you don't think the war crime let the investigation take place let the investigation is we know what we saw hang on we know what we saw we know what we saw from their own from their own GoPro technology we know what Hamas wanted the world to see that they perpetrated that day it was indisputably a terrorist attack it was indisputably a war crime I find it extraordinary if you want to start lecturing the Israelis about committing war crimes and genocide and so on that you would spare Hamas the charge of obvious self-admitted war crimes they they were both about it okay the prosecutor General is accusing Israel of committing war crimes accusing Netanyahu and the head of the Israeli he's also accusing wait wait let me finish okay I'm going to come to that accusing them of causing starvation to the whole population and accusing some Hamas leaders of committing War crime on the 7th of October okay let an investigation take place let the Israelis allow an international commission to come and investigate let them accept the Judgment of the international criminal court so just to be clear though you accept that Israel so do you accept hang on do you accept that Israel then should be afforded the same uh respect that you should not jump to conclusions about whether Israel has perpetrated war crimes that Israel may not have committed genocide as you put it do accept that if you want to if you want to spare Hamas any two preliminary conviction you would afford the same courtesy to Israel except that Hamas is not accused of genocide in the international court of justice they didn't say they perpetrated gen except except wa except that Israel Israel now is accused of plausible genocide and most probably the court will come up with the fact that there was genocide 15,000 children Palestinian children were killed by Israel more than 40 by the way 45 ,000 Palestinians were killed if you include 10,000 that are missing now under the rebel most of Gaza has been destroyed completely who can justify that when people were deprived of water you know my Medical Teams I'm a medical doctor I'm not a gunman like the one you are inv inviting here I I I out treat people I don't kill people our Medical Teams in Gaza tell me today we have about 1 million people in Gaza dying suffering from terrible dis diseases including the outbreak of infectious hepatitis including the priation because of lack of water including parasite infestation including skin infections how can you put a whole population regardless of what happened on the 7th of October how can you put 2.3 million people and subject them to this terrible inhumanity as you would have heard as you you know the most the most important ask questions must ask you questions last point last point if you allow me just one sentence it's time now for Israel to realize that no more impunity neither for Netanyahu nor for the Israeli Minister of Defense Gant nor for anybody what about Hamas no more impunity what about Hamas no more impunity for anybody for anybody okay everybody should be presented and let the investigation show right I am sure it will not show that these leaders in Hamas were war criminals it will show that Netanyahu was the war criminal you don't think that what happened on October the 7th was a war crime ordered by war criminals no because the history did not start on the 7th of October as I told you so are you saying Mustafa that you think that what happened that day was justified no I am saying I am against I repeated that many times in your program and I am very clear I am against the killing of any civilian I'm against the killing of any child I'm against the killing Israel has not yet shown the names of the 30 children they claimed were killed but I don't mind any people were killed 12200 people were killed 6,700 were wounded right this is one of the worst Terror attacks in modern times I understand your anger towards Israel and the scale of its response I share some of that anger but what I find utterly perplexing is that when herass when her Mass literally broadcast to the world deliberately footage of what they're doing where they're committing war crimes against civilians when they've kidnapped babies when they've kidna Holocaust Survivors when they've raped and killed women when they have burned people alive in their homes when they've done all this and proudly boasted about it the idea that isn't an obvious primer Facey War crime right in front of our eyes that the perpetrators want us to know they're doing and committing the only reason you wouldn't categorize that as a war crime is if you believe in some way it's Justified no I'm saying I Against The Killing of any child and I'm against the killing of any civilian or whoever they are Palestinian or Israel but you cannot deny the fact that nothing in the world could justify the killing of 15,000 Palestinian children that is the reality and the reality today justify K okay listen at this very moment there many who may moment but what could justify the killing of 1200 people on October the 7th justification of no no many of them were military people in a fight wasn't there 300 military people out of 1200 so you can't say 1,00 900 civilians there were 6,700 more people who were wounded in to 45,000 Palestinians 72% of whom are children and women look we can go about this for long time comparing figures the question today is who is being slaughtered at the moment why this war continues because Israel want to get rid of no what is the justification for Netanyahu for killing his own prisoners which he calls hostages Now by bombarding Gaz why are they being held hostage why AR they being released why AR the host why doesn't he because NY refuses to have an agreement to release them to have them back sa what theid of was the kid okay Mustafa was the kidnapping of those people was the kidnapping of those people over 200 of them including the elderly Holocaust Survivors babies young girls was the kidnapping of those people at War crime kidnapping children is unacceptable it as civilians but was it a you have you have you have to differentiate between soldiers and civilians I'm talking about civilians a baby last time I said is a civilian if an Israeli if an Israeli soldier is Cap it's captured no I'm talking about civilians no you tell me is he is he let me ask you again I'm talking to you about babies and elderly Holocaust surviv they're not solders about the fact you don't say anything about the fact that we do have now 14,000 Palestinian just literally been taking my ID guest task over the world to condemn what Israel's done by way of response but you will not accept the kidnapping of over 200 people including many many civilians including elderly people including young girls including babies that that is a war crime you can't accept it m you can't equate you can't equate and you will not you will not accept it you will accept war crimes the other way you can't keep interrupting me now I have another interruptor now you ask a question let me answer you cannot equate between the oppressor and the oppressed you cannot equate between the occupier and the occupied you cannot negate the fact that since 1948 we've been subjected to ethnic cleansing by Israel where 70% of the Palestinian population became refugees you cannot deny the fact that we have been subjected to the longest occupation in modern history you cannot deny the fact that Israel conducted 1 million arrests against over a terror attack and and I you cannot put you cannot deny the fact that I am against any attack on any civilian whoever you only condemn it on one that does not justify cries that are committed against Palestinian people and you are not being fair because if you are Affair you would say that what these war crimes that the international court of justice is saying should be met should be responded to how can you deprive people of quter a whole population 2.3 million people you deprive them of water of food and then you talk to me about humanity and you talk to me about war crimes the reality is very clear here why don't the Israelis engage with us to have peace why why they don't respect us as equal human beings why they don't accept the right of Palestinians to be Democratic also why did Israel prevent and refuse to allow free Democratic elections in 2021 okay had we have these elections you would not have had this war Mustafa I would say to you Mustafa by way of response from what I think is I think Palestinians should absolutely be entitled to exactly the same fundamental human rights as any Israeli they should be a Palestinian State as much as there's the state of Israel I agree with you and there should be a concerted International effort to make this happen and I think that Israel is going way too far right now with what it's doing in trying to get after the last remaining members of Hamas I think it will be a spectacular uh Act of self harm never mind the harm is doing to Palestinian people but I also believe that if you're going to be fair-minded about this you have to call what happened on October the 7th a shameful terror attack on many thousands of Israeli people and that should be condemned unreservedly by absolutely everybody and people who refuse to condemn that want to condemn Israel for its response I find that I find that a very untenable position to give too much credibility towards you got to condemn it where you see it but Mustafa I appreciate you coming back on on sensor thank you very much thank you

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Length: 52min 30sec (3150 seconds)

Published: Mon May 20 2024