“Depression and Anxiety Recovery Program” - 3ABN Today Live (TDYL190032)

I want to spend my people I wanna spend moving lord hila heart that one of them [Music] and they will gain people [Music] hello and welcome to 3abn today live we are so happy to be with you this evening I have my co-host my son Jason Bradley good to be here with Jason is the general manager of 3a be ins dare to dream network and he's doing an outstanding job praise the Lord we often say the same thing at the same time with the same tone that's a little scary but anyway we are so happy that you have taken the time out to join us this evening because we have a program that is going to be so helpful to you so enlightening so informative and just the blessing so are you excited about this book I'm excited I won't wait to hear all these wonderful testimony I know me too me too and so before we introduce our guests let's go to the music for the evening and then we'll introduce the guests so we're gonna keep you on pins and needles for a few minutes our music is coming from message of mercy and it's whispers to your heart [Music] there is still small voice that carries up of the worldly knows he brings to you the knowledge of truth can you hear it when the spirit are whispers to your [Music] Holy Spirit rain teach us to be [Music] comfort and sustained felis with grains and there is a gentle one I comforted sand from the Sun a messenger of an undying love can you hear it when the spirit whispers to your teachers to [Music] give us with grace and [Music] shelter [Music] teach us to be more [Music] [Music] [Music] how lovely that was lovely thank you so much we really appreciate message of mercy thank you for being with us all right J we have special guests with us this evening we do what we do dr. Neil Nedley is with us and I've told dr. Nedley that he is one of my lifestyle medicine heroes years ago I I bought proof-positive okay and it is just an outstanding book so welcome dr. Nedley thank you we're so good and with you we have kelly green and kelly is going to share her testimony and we have some other guests as well that are going to be on in the latter part of the program so you're not gonna want to miss any of this program tonight so dr. Nedley tell us what you've been doing recently what is what have you been what is this program about well really the program is about health of our brain okay and we do conduct depression and anxiety recovery programs and optimize your brain programs and enhancing IQ and also EQ emotional intelligence but we're probably mostly known at least over the last 15 years and our emphasis on mental health anxiety disorders depression all forms of anxiety and depression as well as things that are related to that like obsessive-compulsive disorder or post-traumatic stress disorder or you know phobias or panic disorder or those sorts of things bipolar depression as well and so we have outpatient programs and also residential programs where we take the more significant conditions and people and they actually live with us for 10 days or more to actually optimize their brain and eradicate their depression and anxiety that's the goal yeah you know I noticed that just in conversations that there's so much it seems to me so much more there's so much more incidences of these disorders whether it's depression or anxiety or panic or OCD I mean I just I see a lot of it as I talk to people so how how is it changing over the years like is there actually more of an incidence of those disorders than previously much more it's actually being reported in the scientific literature that utilizing the same criteria for diagnosis the rates of depression and anxiety have skyrocketed and you know I'm also a college president at Weimar and I go to continuing education with other college presidents the number one reason why college presidents lose sleep now is the mental health of their students because sixty percent of them actually have a diagnosable mental illness 60 / 60 percent you know and when I was going to college it was like 5% and so it is the majority of them are having significant mental health challenges what would you say is the the cause of the increase well the cause is multiple causes but one of the big causes is actually the addictions to screens and iPhones of that nature people are not relating to society so much you know and regular social interactions like we're having here they are doing it off of a screen which is kind of a false social experience it's not a real social experience and then they are also driven to distraction with these devices and so they get on their device to do something useful but within five minutes they're no longer doing anything useful they've got a push notification they got a snapchat they got a news notification and they just go off and of course the the people that are in charge of the internet and the ones who are really trying to capitalize on this try to find out what it is that all of us like and so we're in there trying to do something useful and then there's this little notification about something that we're interested in that all of a sudden passes the screen and now our mind is away from that area and the area of our brain that requires focus attention is identical to the area of our brain that manages distressing emotions and so if we can't focus we're not going to be able to manage our emotions and so this area of the brain is actually shrinking in people because they're constantly shifting their attention and they're not able to actually focus on something more than 10 minutes so it's an excess level of stimuli exactly okay yes hmm that's fascinating to me on so many different levels because first of all you have the screen addiction where you know young people are just always on their screens not not just young people sometimes my husband will say to me did you get distracted because I'll start out doing one thing and and then I'll get distracted to do another so I know what you're talking about but I didn't know that it is a cause of mental illness yes I mean this is really you know when Steve Jobs came out with the devices of course he limited his own kids their access to them he recognized there could be complications you know we only looked at the benefits we didn't look at the risks right and you know imagine a drug company coming out with a drug that only looked at the benefits but not the risks we would talk about how greedy they are and how unethical and all this but this is what happened with the devices and we were so gullible humanity to say that you know every child should have one of these you know there should be no school left behind and we thought we were going to enter into a whole new sphere of positive education but it turns out the opposite has occurred the way our devices are normally utilized is actually impairing our brains and actually impairing our ability even manage our emotions or even remember things you know that's the other thing digital dementia we're seeing memories at an all-time low digital dementia digital dementia yeah it's diagnosed and people in their 20s and 30s they just can't remember things I had no idea that this was so ubiquitous from one thing and that that it's affecting our young people at this huge rate I'm I'm back on the 60% that's just appalling to me it really makes sense though when you think about it I mean because technology you think that it's going to enhance things but it really cripples you in the sense that you don't have to remember anybody's number their phone number or anything you know you can ask these smart devices you can just talk to it and it'll pull up whatever you need exactly you know so yeah that's that's interesting yeah yeah absolutely and so this is one of the obvious reasons as you know the iPhone came out in 2007 and so in the last 12 years we've seen this exponential growth and mental illness and all-time lows and emotional intelligence it's the most gullible generation as well they don't have fax stocked in their head and so when someone comes up with something in yesteryear we recognized if this is true and if that's true then this cannot be true but with this generation since they don't have any real truths that are solidified in their brain when someone comes up with something that's pretty far out there and it seems attractive they'll actually start going that direction and it's kind of almost ludicrous for a previous generation to go that and so this is why you know the whole gullibility crisis and fake news has become a big thing because we are more gullible before you know the world war ii generation never would have been you know fake news would have gone nowhere with them because they had facts stocked in their head they had they recognized you know what was true and what wasn't much more readily but this present generation also not being very social because they tend to utilize their devices in isolation they are more gullible and they're also much more anxious when it comes to real live social interactions because that's too much for them there's a lot that goes on in regular social interactions there's facial countenance and there's all the different aspects and they get a little fare and fearful of that and so they don't really like to go out in public as much and of course isolation is will lead to significant sadness yes they you know the punishment that is the most severe punishment we can give a prisoner a solitary confinement that's right many of our of our kids today are solitarily confined to four walls with their device and they don't recognize that it's actually having some of the similar effects to their brain that regular solitary confinement would be because this is not a real person we're interacting with but they treat it in a much more treasure above manner than they do their own brother or sister or father or mother you know if the brother or sister leaves no big deal but you take my device whoa I think you're also dealing with a false sense of reality because when you go to Instagram and Facebook and some of these other social media sites people are painting the best picture themselves and showing you all of these things that you know they don't show you their struggles they don't show you that's depression and the things that they're dealing with it's a very false world and we're only seeing one little glimpse and aspect of it and you know even the Bible said to compare our selves among ourselves it's not wise and that's what social media does we're attracted to it because we can connect but it turns out after we connect we end up comparing much more than we're connecting sharing ourselves among ourselves particularly only see 2 percent you know I can tell you most of society today that Revere's Hollywood stars or Revere's whoever they're revering and thinking that they're great people if they actually saw what their daily lives would be they wouldn't be a bit envious because they're projecting this falsehood you know and so they think boy why isn't my life like this why am I not doing this in that and it's kind of like you know you're only seeing less than 1% person's life and if they could see a typical Christians life who's in the Lord they would get so much more attracted to that yes but the devil doesn't want them to see all of that that's they just want them to want them to see that 1% of someone who will suck them into something that's a deception and will end up ruining them yes yes wow that's amazing Kelly you've just been sitting here so you have a very fascinating story dr. Nedley would you just kind of give us some background sure well you talked about reasons for increased mental illness it's not just devices but also the use of substances has increased and in the last three years longevity is of remarkably decreasing in the United States this is the first time since World War one when the flu epidemic and a world war was going on that longevity has decreased that's back all the way from 1916 and this next year they think it's gonna go down some more why is it going down it's not because cancer is increasing and heart disease those are things that were on the rise before but it's actually due to what's called deaths of despair deaths of despair we are seeing a marked increase in alcohol-related deaths a mark increase in opioid related deaths and drug overdoses and a mark increase in suicide and suicide has actually been increasing even when the economy is going up which has not happened before when you take a look at the history normally when the economy goes up suicide rates go down economy goes down suicide rates go up you know not long ago we had the best economy from the 1950s or 60s and but yet suicide rates are higher so what's going to happen when the economy goes down again you know it's going to get even worse and so Kelly actually emulates many ways the typical person in America today that's had some struggles she grew up with some struggles and it led her into substances all three of those deaths of despair aspect were knocking on her door and one right after another and now she has totally overcome and has a fulfilled and happy existence and so Kelly you might just mention what was your childhood like and what might have led you into some of these things well my parents were divorced when I was two and then both of my parents remarried and but it was you know still a split home and I lived with my mother and my stepfather and that household they did the best they could it was a very violent household physically and verbally mm-hmm and so you were watching he's not all that I saw a lot I experienced a lot I also played a part in it so I was exposed to bad behavior you know fairly young and it shaped me into a very fearful and timid and easily swayed I was just searching for I guess love and acceptance what were your teenage years like I did very poor in school I had a core group of friends that were actually a good influence on me but then I also had another group of friends that I could do what I wanted with and they didn't care about me so I was very confused as a teenager and I didn't have any direction and I didn't have I didn't trust any adults and you mentioned to me even today at age 10 you started with substances yes I found while I was with some girl friends of mine and we stole our parents cigarettes and we smoked cigarettes at 10 years 10 mm-hmm so that kind of opened the door to a new pattern mm-hm behavior yeah and so you started with tobacco I guess at 10 but was this just like a an isolated incident or was or did this begin a pattern oh this began a pattern mm-hmm it was like the gates opened mhm and yeah looking back I can see how really the devil just took a hold and did not let me go mm-hmm so after tobacco what was it then tobacco and then it was alcohol at 15 and shortly after that it was marijuana and then I stayed in between marijuana alcohol and tobacco for years did your parents have any idea as to what was going on they knew about the cigarettes they could smell it but they never I mean my mom said you know you shouldn't smoke but it wasn't it was very odd they punished me for really ridiculous things but they wouldn't they didn't punish me for smoking cigarettes or stealing their alcohol so so they knew you were drinking - yeah yeah do you think that having two sets of friends kind of caused a double-minded definitely situation yeah yeah I was basically halfway in and halfway out right what was the spiritual climate in your home at that time and was there any kind of spirituality at all there wasn't we weren't we I mean we might have gone to church a couple Sabbath's growing up my grandparents really played that role in my life and they were the one they are the ones responsible for bringing me back to the Lord oh we want to hear about that I have a couple more questions before we get to turn around so how did you get into after you after you dealt with the marijuana did you go into anything heavier and what was that yeah I I stayed with marijuana for years and then I ended up pregnant I was six months pregnant and I got a kidney stone oh and I was working for for physicians and they admitted me into the hospital and I thought they were doing the right thing for me but that's when I was introduced because of the pain I was put on a PCA pump of dilaudid mm and then given oral percocet and that was for a week straight mhm and it that that really opened the floodgates that medication I believe is just pure evil there's nothing really beneficial and with that amount of pain there's not a narcotic strong enough mm-hmm to take away the pain so it really was it just didn't do any good so I cultivated a new habit right a new drug of choice I was already I already had the addictive behavior from the cigarette I just didn't know I couldn't recognize it Yeah right it's so interesting to me how Satan you just he doesn't do everything all at once so it gives you a little bit here started you with the cigarettes then takes you into the alcohol and the marijuana then takes you into the opioids then I mean everything it's you know there's a strategy he has a strategy just like God has strategy the enemy has strategy and his his whole thing is to destroy to take us on this downward spiral and destroy us and it's just amazing to me how how he works and you and you can see it over and over and over again his plan is to destroy us and God has a better plan man he has a better plan so how long were you involved in in this whole downward spiral it didn't take long probably five years I was addicted to opiates and how bad was your habit the last year of me using I was taking a ridiculous amount it was up to 300 milligrams in a 24 hour of pure oxycontin and so how are you normally 20 milligrams is enough to last a long time it'll just put someone who's not used to narcotics in a stupor and just want to sleep and so oxycontin is a potent yes narcotic yes and she was on 300 milligrams a day and I know that wasn't cheap either how much I am so embarrassed to even say it and I kind of don't want to because uh at this point I feel like I need to protect some of the people or that vault yeah yeah but it was a it was readily and easily available mm-hmm but it did cost it did cost yeah and I'm paying that back mmm now yes well the beauty of this is that that was the dead person that person is dead that person no longer it's right you are a new creature in Christ so all all the former things are passed away and what you have now is a how I got over how I got through testimony by the grace of God it was only God yes yes I had nothing to do I was just the body yeah but you know your whole countenance I mean your countenance is like alive in Christ right and that's so beautiful to see so how did you go from that place of abject despair because by then I'm sure you're in despair because you have to keep that have it going or physical dependence there's that emotional dependence everything that goes with addiction yeah it's a nightmare it's a nightmare and it doesn't I think people tend to think well you know I have this addiction but not that addiction well no oh so I'm not I'm not on heroin but I'm right you know I'm on prescription drugs well whatever it is it's an addiction the dynamics are the same right and so it's like you know God can deliver and from whatever holds you in bondage amen that's what happened tell us how it happened so I March 22nd 2017 I was done I was done with abusing my body I was done with allowing others to abuse me I was just done and I got on my knees which I don't I just don't do or I didn't do mm-hmm and I cried out I was in Tara's bawling and I was yelling I said Lord you have to help me get off of this because I cannot do it on my own and it was like boom I had a plan I didn't know what it was but I made a phone call and then I made another phone call and then you know my parents as as I mean tormented as we were growing up you know they were still there for me and I asked them because I am a nurse if I I felt like if I were to ask for help in the medical professional or profession that it may I may have some other things that I might have to go through or get in more trouble so I asked if I could do it withdrawal at their home Wow cold turkey Walter who from 300 milligrams mm-hmm what was that like Wow I would not recommend that I I would not recommend to consider here though uh-huh opioids and you know our country is dealing with this you know more people die from opioids than automobile accidents mm and you know there's like close to 200 people a day that are dying from opioid overdose and she was very close to that I mean and of course the alcohol prior to that you know she could tell you more about the alcohol and what that did but then from alcohol to opioids opioids do not cause death upon withdrawal it's not like you know even alcohol you can have DTS or delirium tremens or benzos you can have benzo withdrawal seizures you don't cease from opioid withdrawal in fact opioids can cause seizures so if anything you're more resistant to seizures during the withdrawal it's extreme dysphoria so it's a terrible experience but it's not one that you will actually die from opioid withdrawal now you can have well and she'll explain tell us about some of the symptoms that you had so in the very beginning I probably could not formulate a full sentence I had racing thoughts and just rambling on then the lethargy set in and I had no energy and about 48 hours I was throwing up non-stop probably every 15 minutes and he would place in your fluids or anything yes okay yes I was trying to but anytime I put anything in my body it would come right back up mm-hmm so I did what I could I sucked on a lot of ice during that time I tried to drink the water I it just would not stay down I got in the shower a lot was anybody with you kind of walking you through this process my parents were kind of listening in the background but I was on my own yeah and then because opioids cause constipation on withdrawal you get diarrhea and so you had diarrhea and she did get dehydrated and let's go the dehydration can kill you but that's not that's something that can actually be treated without having to give opioids right and so she did go I did go to the emergency hydrated because I would think so with the vomiting and the diarrhea and you know losing all of that fluid is what they wanted to do when she went to the ER no withdrawal so but she refused I refused she had I mean that's why God was involved she says whatever you do don't give me opioids yes I don't want back that's right so they hydrated her up with IVs and they gave her antiemetics and discharged her from the ER yes because I had no insurance so you went what was how long was the process the whole it was ten days in conservation Wow and it's 30 it was about 30 days before I started to feel normal mm-hmm or not really normal just that I could actually go up a flight of stairs without having to stop in the middle yeah and catch my breath or so this energy app it took a pretty big chunk out of your life too right yeah I mean you weren't able to function you weren't you didn't have a job at the time I quit my job two years prior to my sober date because I couldn't function she already didn't have a job yeah how long were you that how long was a total time of addiction for you I would say from ten years on from that birthday girl Wow well I don't know if you want to say your age on March 20 to 17 but I it was years 38 2017 so yeah 27 yeah that means 28 years of addictions from age 10 to 38 but then the story doesn't end when the opioids are done right because many times people that utilize substances they're self-medicating because there's emotional pain mm-hmm so now with her commitment to not have self medication no opioids no alcohol none of those things what happened I became suicidal or I was thinking about suicide a lot because I just could not deal with that emotional pain in a way this is where people feel trapped because they know I can't go back to the opioids because that was a terrible life I can't go back to the alcohol cuz that's a terrible life so my ways of self-medicating aren't working and but yet now I have this severe depression mmm to the point where what is the point of life and maybe I should just I'd be better off dead and so with that feeling of trapped and the feeling down she started to get into the hopelessness I started making plans and this is where God was involved again yes because her plan would have been successful that day tell us about that so I I during the with okay so I didn't tell you this when I went to my parents house to withdrawal I also brought my gun and I brought bullets I don't know why I just did and when I was that desperate when I was you know going through the emotions and I was sober I just couldn't take it and I went up to my bedroom and I pulled the gun out and I went to put the bullets in and I I grabbed the wrong ones they wouldn't fit but then I was like okay well if I can't do it this way I'm just gonna go out and I'm gonna jump in front of a car and I thought and I did it immediately without a second thought and I went down to that busy intersection and I was just waiting for the right car and a childhood friend was at the corner at a stop sign in a car in a car and called out my name and I looked over at her and she looked at me and she said are you okay and I was like no I am NOT okay and so she told me to get in her car and I told her what was going on and she got me to my first a a meeting mm-hmm I needed something yeah sure so that started my support group mmm-hmm God had her right there look at the right on time yeah look at a busy intersection the intersection yeah look at God he has such a plan for your life I believe it now yeah so dr. Nedley let me ask you this were these suicidal ideations that she was having were they a result of the chemical imbalance that was there as a result of the opioid addiction you think I mean it's not just its emotional - but can there not also be a physiological basis oh yes oh yeah the depression yeah and of course that's why she was self-medicating with opioids as well okay feel bad and she would take that but of course since it's a frontal lobe suppressant and all of those other things it's not like she could really analyze her life on a day-by-day basis on how well is this working right you know she had lost her job and out without employment for two years and finally came to a moment of sobriety where she realized I need to get rid of all this stuff mm-hmm but yet she didn't realize what life was gonna be like without that because there was some underlying pain issues even unresolved things from childhood and and yes some brain chemical changes going on in her and then you know not having any sense of fulfillment and and of course there's been other stressors of life that we haven't mentioned you mentioned some of the other ones that are pretty big that you know she was covering up with all of this well what are you thinking I mean you know you talked about that being pregnant what what happened I have a daughter she's 10 years old and because of my choices she lives with her grandparents and her father mm-hmm that's also so hard it's very difficult mm-hmm and now that your choices are so different can that be reversed in any way there's always hope mm-hmm and I I have to give it to the Lord because yes I am powerless yes over that situation but there's no one better to give it to that's right right the own impotence right where we are powerless he's omnipotent so yeah he is definitely the one up for the challenge yeah so how did you come to turn everything over to him let's talk about the reversal how did you come to reverse so my grandparents mm-hmm they they both got sick and I was about six months sober and still miserable mm-hmm you know and those suicidal thoughts were they were coming back and I just wasn't being honest about it and my grandmother called and just said you know we really need your help just come down here and you know you can take care of us and we'll take care of you and you know we'll get through this please get down here and so they're in Florida and I drove from Virginia to Florida Wow and I thought things were gonna be great there and they were for about a couple weeks and but then the thoughts were coming back and I was isolating a lot and food now became my addiction I probably gained about 40 pounds while I was there I was sneak eating at night and it I was pretty miserable and then I was definitely planning another attempt and my grandmother who has been my number one fan and a very loyal daughter of God mm-hmm picked up on it and I heard her on the phone from my father saying she is going to die if we don't do something mm-hmm and I just remember thinking I'm not gonna die and then I was like oh wait no no God's telling her something and she was the one who suggested that I call the Nedley health solution and set up my appointment to go to the depression recovery program and grandma is really the only one that I listened to so much grandma said something you did so what was it like when you went to the program oh man it was so beautiful it was like a vacation but it was it was like self-help vacation hmm I learned how to deal with those untrue negative thoughts that I had been telling myself since before I was 10 years old you know I learned how to be easy on myself I learned how to start a relationship with the Lord and that the Lord he's not my earthly father he's my Heavenly Father and there is a distinction huge distinction and you know I looked to him for guidance now I was just met with so much love and acceptance even with them knowing how bad my life had become you know that that that I was the one that caused most of those problems if not all of them and I learned that I can also forgive but I can do it with boundaries and I also learned that in order to forgive I have to let it go everything and really to truly be happy you really just have to forgive and let it go that's right that's right you can't hang on to it yeah because it's not it's not really that's not God either you know that's not what God wants us to do mm-hmm-hmm she went through a lot of behavioral changes too such as but the thought part I'm glad you centered in on that because the program starts out with more behavioral changes physical exercise I don't know if you have exercised oh yeah no I'm coming to the program the hydrotherapy the contrast baths the diet the diet in fact I don't know were you the the Biggest Loser in the program or close to I was close to it I like the food too much I would have lost more but there was a friend bar during in the program as well in the program I lost in ten days I lost 12 pounds and that was like kind of overeating with the exercise it was great but in in all actuality okay let me do the math I just got on the scale the other day I don't want to give my weight away I've lost 60 pounds [Music] how did the physical changes impact the mental Wow I mean they go hand in hand if I don't exercise I feel it you know it maybe not the next day or maybe not that day but in a couple days I'll feel it like my mood will I'll be short-tempered or a little like angry for no reason or it'll just be like a you know it'll catch me off guard and then I'm like oh yeah get my exercise you know I had cheese will blame the cheese oh that's so wonderful though I mean we can look at you and see that you know you you just have a glow about you and a real peace in your countenance Amen God can do amazing things but let me just share this one scripture Philippians 4:6 from the New King James it says be anxious for nothing but in everything by prayer and supplication with Thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God and the peace of God which surpasses all understanding will guard your hearts and minds through Christ Jesus and that's what you've done you've gone to God you've placed your your requests at his feet you've thanked him for his answers and he's given you his peace yes and that is a beautiful thing and she's working again and and she is now actually doing Bible studies with others and leading them towards the pathway that leads to healing yes yes that does your facility or your program does it deal with nicotine tobacco it is absolutely yeah really yeah the interesting thing of course we keep data on all of our our programs but even our community program because we have a residential that we also have outpatient Community Program okay our data on 6,000 people shows that when they come to a depression and anxiety recovery program they're actually more likely to give up their addictions than if they go to a program that just centers in on their addiction and I think it's because we're dealing with the underlying brain chemistry issues as well as the thought issues because when people do get sober even in a a they'll teach you your worst year of life is going to tend to be your first year of sobriety but it won't be that way if we can help the brain chemical issues as well as help get rid of what you know Uncle Bob and AAA calls the stinking thinking which is the negative automatic thoughts that are actually you know not true or at least partially not true and that's what she had gotten into was this this stinking thinking when she couldn't cover and stop the thoughts altogether with the drugs now you have to deal with those thoughts but how healthfully she's dealing with them now so you find that if you were to summarize where you are now in the Lord and just emotionally what would you say I wouldn't even recognize myself if I was you know and in the world or I would not recognize Who I am today and I don't recognize the girl in pictures you know from a couple years ago and it just baffles me I would say that my relationship with the Lord is it's growing every day and I really appreciate the little miracles and the responses that I get from him as subtle as they are yes they're huge yes you know sometimes I don't know what they mean but that it's not for me to know I guess mmm you know he's the one in charge that's my body that's right he gave you a huge hug when he had that friend sitting on that corner yeah Oh STUV your patients at the facility have amazing testimonies I would imagine by the end of there oh yeah how long is the is the treatment program well the treatment program is a ten day program so this is all done in ten days and so not everyone do we recommend they go home in ten days but Kelly endorsed everything I think partly due to the fact that she was already sober you know some people come and they're already you know they're they're on these drugs and we're having to you know take them off and they start having the stinking thinking even while they were there part of the program and there they may need more than ten days but since she was already off of the drugs when she came through the program she complied with every aspect of the program and as a result as severe as her depression was suicidal depression she left actually with no depression and she left with no anxiety but we had to tell her your brain has started to change but it hasn't changed all the way it takes 20 weeks to solidify this process 20 weeks 20 weeks okay and so we gave her a discharge plan yeah continue on for 20 weeks and she did the plan to it but I had help no we thank you so much for sharing your testimony with us Kelly it's but it's beautiful and we know that God has great plans for you thank you know you just have to hold on and continue walking with Him and thank you to dr. Nedley don't go anywhere and don't you go anywhere we're so blessed to have these testimonies this evening mm-hmm because we there's so many people or going through depression anxiety OCD all kinds of issues that are affecting our behavior so stay tuned don't go anywhere stay tuned we'll be right back [Music] [Music] welcome back to three AVN today live if you're just joining us now you're gonna have to get a copy of the first part of this program because you're not gonna want to miss that part we are here with dr. Neil Nedley he is the director of the Nedley health solutions program and we have two new guests with us now stacy Garcia and Frank : welcome we're so glad to have you so we were talking earlier with Kelly about her journey and now we want to talk to you Frank about your journey dr. Nedley set us up a little bit about Frank and then Frank and take it from there yeah well Frank had a number of things going on before we met when he came to the program Frank and I first met of course when he came through the depression and anxiety recovery program not too long ago when was February of this year yeah and so but tell us Frank what was going on it actually starts quite a time before that and and then it kind of builds but tell us about some of the issues that brought you there I had probably two big issues that um that I was dealing with one was an issue that occurred when I was stationed overseas in the Navy and I had lost a good friend of mine and had sort of taken responsibility for that and I had carried that with me for a long time and the other was probably the biggest part is was an issue of chronic pain I had a broken my back and neck back in the 70s when I was in the service and have had to date now about 15 or 16 spinal surgeries my back and my neck and I think that was a big part of it was you know people in chronic pain have to do all the things that people aren't I may have to do you raise families you work you have to take care of all the daily things but you have to do it and pain all the time so that was one of the big issues that I had and it just gets discouraging after a while and it makes it very difficult to to stay focused on what you're doing I can't imagine dealing with pain every single day like you know you have pain sometimes if intermittently but to have it every single day and as you just said to have to do the normal activities of life but with pain so the natural inclination is to medicate to do something there's something to get rid of this pain and that's where you found yourself well I mean I I had a an unfortunate background with drugs but it wasn't necessarily for that I I have some social anxiety issues and I medicated for that more than I did for the pain the pain I just dealt with as best as I could just because I didn't have many solutions left word mmm so what was your your childhood like how did you grow up um it was a bit problematic I was I had problems in school social and behavioral problems most the time growing up and I'm grateful my parents kept me off of the medications that a lot of the kids ended up on at that time but it made it very difficult for me to to interact with people in a healthy healthy way so when I ended up my introduction to drug addiction actually was that I found that I could become a little more normal socially but after a while that just you know goes away it's like what was your initial drug of choice well it was actually uh I prefer not to even say that if that's okay it was all drugs oh yeah you know everything but alcohol I didn't drink cuz I couldn't but pretty much everything else was for open open game so did that affect your ability to function Oh big time I mean you know besides the the legal issues and the other troubles that it brings along with it you know I couldn't function in a family I couldn't hold a job you know the work that I saw it after about what my career is now is requires a great deal of focus and I couldn't couldn't do it then yeah so I just bounced around a lot and I think that that there probably a lot of young people who are in that same kind of situation where they can't focus and where they are having trouble functioning in everyday life just having difficulties functionally even ended up homeless I remember yeah I lost I gone through a divorce and my house had burned down and I ended up jobless and I was living in my van for I mean I don't want to take away from how terrible it is to be homeless for people that are truly homeless long-term so I was only there for a short period of time but yeah it was things can get out of hand ya know and I think I'll say because I really worked with Don at the program and some of the spiritual parts of this but it's it's not those individual addictions that are the problem it's it's the more we separate from God those become just symptoms and manifestations of that you know so I learned it was a lot easier to deal with one problem than all of those things individually that was a big lesson there how did you bounce back from the homelessness oh I mean it was only it was maybe about six or eight months or so that that went on and I just I was in a program of recovery I had a fairly good support group you know I didn't do it by myself yeah for sure yeah you know I might still be out there probably I think that's very important to to consider that you know when you're going through this you need some support you need people around you who are going to care and you also I think that if you're not if you don't have a spiritual bent or spiritual orientation then you're missing so much you can't you can't really do it without God it does to me it's just like yeah yeah I mean you might make some little behavioral modifications like you won't have that genuine transformation and a genuine transformation is what's going to last long lasting well I think that's why the suicide rates are so high it's I think a lot amongst people who don't have a relationship with Christ and you know I mean if this is all there was this was it I I can see I can understand that you know how people would become that discouraged that um that they would take their own lives so how did you come to know God so I was born and raised Jewish mm-hmm and a fairly Orthodox my grandparents were Orthodox my parents were conservative but I had met somebody a young lady this goes back about thirty years thirty years ago and we were having a a pretty heated conversation not heated but a very intense conversation about who Jesus Christ was and if he was really the Son of God because we know every Passover we would put a cup of wine out and wait for Elijah come by and still the to bring in the Messiah which we just missed that one little point already happened and she said to me remember this he said well you're a pretty smart guy so I imagine to have that strong of an opinion you've probably read through the Bible several times and I went well never actually and she gave me a Bible and I went home and I spent the next five or six hours I read through the Gospels the first four books and I was instantly converted well instantly yep from that from reading the Gospels Matthew Mark Luke and John that was it free I mean to me if you have a logical mind if you're critically thinking it's fairly hard to miss that point it's pretty well laid out there in a fairly logical way and and I I don't understand how people miss it now you know maybe I'm too far from that time now but I don't get how do you miss something that's that well-structured yes the word of the Lord does convert yes what's living yeah living words the line was earlier in life but when I was fifteen it was actually reading the Bible it converted me as well wasn't an individual or anything like that it was just reading the Bible that brought me to my transformed life speaking of voice what made you want to go into this line of work well Christ was a healer uh-huh and so you know it's it's a wonderful honor and privilege to be involved in in helping and being his hands and his feet and his voice in helping others to get to that pathway of healing and transformation and so yeah that was that was certainly Christ model and example as is main reason although my father made some changes in his life when I was a teenager growing up and I saw a new father emerged behaviorally made some changes with positive diet exercise those type of things and I saw a new father emerge and so I knew there was a lot to what you put into your body yeah and what you do with your body is crucially important in regards how healthy and even how happy you're going to be mm-hmm and so I always had an interest in nutrition and in lifestyle medicine and always paid attention to those things all the way through medical school and specialty training and and emphasizing and seeing the powerful impact that that makes what a difference all right yeah absolutely so back to brother Frank for a minute so you you found Jesus and how did that impact your your journey as far as the addiction and depression and all that how did how did finding Jesus impact your life well I mean I had the addiction was was some gone at that point or at least a good part of it had gone away from the drugs and all that but you know sometimes our behaviors don't necessarily change as quickly as as the withdrawal from the drugs does or whatever the addiction is you know we we carry that behavior on sometimes so it was a progressive I just I remember that we had a very conservative pastor I love the guy he was great and I was still smoking I had was wearing an earring and and I went to him and I said I got to get baptized I said I just feel like I'm being chased by Satan and I got to get baptized I had met a pastor several weeks before and he said sometimes he said you have to make the decision and then you learned to love and I thought that was great he was talking about arranged marriages actually he was from from India he was talking to me about that and so I I said I you know I need to get baptized and he said well when you're gonna quit smoking I said Friday night before my baptism a no he said I won't take any now and I said off Friday night before I get that you know and he baptized me anyway I thought I thought like he got extra points because I was Jewish or something you know I don't know but he did it he was a great guy and and that it was it's it's progressive you know I'm still progressing through it it was 1992 that I I got baptized and I mean every day a new truths are revealed my relationship with Christ continues to grow you know back a step sometimes forward a couple steps it's it's it's fairly fluid you know it's a dynamic process yeah what it is so you know it progressed it progresses quickly at first and then there's sort of a law and then it sort of takes on a life of its own how did for me how did your decision impact your relationship with family members I was tough on my parents my mom in particular the fact that they didn't sit Shiva or have a funeral for me which is really quite typical was surprising but I had a phone call from my mom on timing and she said do you still believe that Jesus stuff yeah and I didn't want to minimize it but I'm like yeah yeah I do and you still go to that church yeah I do I thought maybe I'd be Peter when she asked me that you know and and and there was just silence on the other line and I thought oh this is it and she said well you know why if I don't brag about this to my friends do you a nice - no that's fine she said well how about we just never talk about it again well honor thy mother and father's so I've I've gone that round with when you went to the Nedley health solutions program where were you and in terms of your functioning and where are you now well I can tell you that I was some cognitively was challenged you know I was having a hard time finishing projects starting projects getting focused all the typical things that you see about about depression as it comes in and actually my wife had had asked me about considering the program she never asked me anything like that so I knew and and she's really got a gift of discernment and I knew that if she saw this and I didn't it must be really bad you know so so we called in made arrangements and it was you know tough at first they picked me up at the airport and a shuttle with a bunch of people I don't know and probably my biggest one of my biggest anxieties is being around a bunch of people I don't know this is not a good start to the program and but but I can tell you that that there are there were three things that had focused on it focused on the mental the spiritual and the physical parts and and all three of those things were addressed during the program you know I thought I was doing a lot of things right but I wasn't you know and and you know I can't say how grateful I am that I went there God knows no hurry and no delay his timing is impeccable yeah so it happened exactly when it was supposed to happen I'm for sure so it was all it was a struggle before I went without a doubt you know with 16 surgeries on his spine as well and the pain and all of that you know we don't know until someone goes through the program you know how that's going to be but I didn't have real high hopes that this pain would would really get any better as it had over you know many years but I remember Frank is it was getting close to the end of the program he said you know my pain is going away and he said the last couple of days what did you say actually I had I believe the first pain free day in my entire adult life occurred there well I program I remember that I remember that and it was the contrast baths and my fact when I went home I went to a rural King and I bought a hundred gallon galvanized feed tub and I filled it with water and I got 10 gallons of water 10 gallon jugs and I put him in the freezer and I would throw him in that tub and I get in the hot tub for five minutes and jump in the cold tub degrees for a minute and it's made a significant that probably was one of the most beneficial that and some of the dietary things that I learned there I really made a big difference as far as the foods that cause inflammation and whatnot yes so you know I'm still in pain but um you know that part of it we took care of it and and you know working with Donna and the spiritual part of it too because I think what happens is we exaggerate things right I mean I'm gonna have to deal with this forever but that's not true I only have to deal with it for the rest of my life yeah but that's not forever that's right so I can handle it till the end of this life because now I know I don't have to take it with me into eternity yeah so so that was a big was a big change for me as far as you know if you can't get rid of it you're gonna have to learn to to just embrace it and that was a big part of it yeah I remember in our last visit you know I said you know I was looking at his scores because we evaluate and I said you know Frank I think you are ready to go you know at the 10 day point I see significant improvement here there and here in multiple areas emotional intelligence going up significantly and even the social part was significant changes and and he says you know I know others are staying is there a possibility I can stay because I think this is you know helping me and I think I'll even get better if I stay longer right and so he stayed an extra week I think and in in the face of the fact that it rained 15 of those 17 days if you remember single as a matter of fact I just tell you that my father passed away my third day at the program I remember that and that was tough but I wasn't going home because I was so committed I knew that if I left I wouldn't come back yeah and you know sometimes you're given a last chance and so but I will tell you that the staff was amazing they I've never experienced that kind of a solidarity you know they circled the wagons yeah and so I was able to stay through that that's beautiful Stacy what about you you you've been sitting there so quiet waiting your turn what about you tell us about your journey my journey I from I'd say about college is when I started noticing signs of anxiety depression manifesting themselves through nursing school and that was when I first started noticing the some of the warning signs and my freshman year of college actually I was part of a gymnastics team and we were getting ready for a show when I had a fall I was one of the Flyers and had a fall that resulted in a pretty pretty good break a memory I flier there they're way up there yeah around and this was more of a topping a pyramid tighten but yes I'd you know we would do some flying to that break left me essentially with instant arthritis and so at the age of 19 I had no cartilage left in my ankle and it was it was pain lots of pain broke both the tibia and the fibula mm-hmm so those are both of those lower leg bones there and then crush the top of the talus and they had to just take out all the cartilage so it was a good break the foot too yeah yeah so that kind of started that changes your lifestyle a little bit when you go from being very active to just having to stop and think about okay if I take this long walk today I'm going to be sore the next couple days not walking is efficiently and gonna be in a lot of pain and I I was on I was put on percocet just after my surgery and came off very quickly with my parents pushing because we already kind of knew from seeing others going through withdrawals where it could lead to so pretty quickly went off to just tylenol and motrin and which doesn't really do anything they learn to kind of find other ways to manage pain and most more often than not that's decreasing your lifestyle so basically from there just life as I knew it began to change but I kept going with I was in nursing school it was gonna be a profession where I was gonna be on my feet a lot but you know I felt that's where the Lord was leading me and knew you were a Christian that this yes yes I was raised in an Adventist home I'd say my true conversion came later in life I had be the foundation from childhood through nursing school there's a lot of pressure for exams and and I began I think it was my senior year was when panic attacks began setting in and that was the when I was first put on medications to help with anxiety depression I was in a fairly I guess volatile relationship at the time too and not a very healthy relationship that eventually it was putting a lot of pressure a lot of stress added stress in my young life mm-hmm and that relationship actually became an engagement and I'd say about it was about a month before the wedding that a an argument led to a physical encounter on myself and it took it kind of I think it took that to kind of wake me up and help me walk away from this unhealthy situation I was in but from there I kind of took the approach of moving on with life not dealing with it healthily and I moved out to LA Melinda and in the course of the next few years I met my husband and we were married I believe it was almost three years later and we left Loma Linda with two children two beautiful boys and when we left Loma Linda and moved into our new home I I felt like you know I was living the dream I had a wonderful loving husband two beautiful boys healthy happy as can be but yet there's this nagging unhappiness this couldn't couldn't really put it into words and a few other events arose that started bringing up feelings that I had been suppressing of when you think back on a traumatic event think of things that you could have done different why didn't I fight for myself harder how did I let it get to this point how did I not see all the red flags leading up to here and one thing compounds on another and in the next I'd say the course of a year or two it's kind of came to a head and I found myself barely able to get out of bed barely functioning and my children got to be the they got the first-hand account of seeing what all mom was going through mm-hmm and on a day-to-day basis I mean if you ran into me in the street this is what you'd see I was to smile and that's a lot of times what depression can look like and some people you learn to put up a happy face mm-hmm no people what they want to hear and when they don't know what's going on the inside and I can't exactly pinpoint an exact moment when when I realized I need help but it was over a period of time where there were days I would wake up don't want to get out of bed and even in the nighttime going to bed thinking Lord can you just let me fall asleep tonight and maybe not wake up because you you start to believe the lie that you're telling yourself that your family would be better off without you and I never came up with a plan or put anything into action but those thoughts became so overwhelming and I remember driving one day and looking in my rearview mirror at my children there's those thoughts again like it could just it could be done so quickly and then they could have the mother that they deserve and your husband could have the wife that he deserves but then I see their little faces mm-hmm and and God can use even those sweet little children just to you know to remind me what they need you mm-hmm your family needs you and we have a purpose for you and I talked with my husband that night he had no idea where I was at because even from him I was hiding things and it's sometimes harder to share those things with your spouse because things that are so out of his control that he can't heal that he can't take away it's hard but I mean that's why God gave us that person that special person in our life mmm and he he became my my strongest support and you talked about well what are we gonna do from here I didn't want to go back on medications that was one thing in you and it's very common nowadays that you go to a doctor to tell him the problem and here's a pill don't want any pills all right and I knew about dr. nedley's program from family members that had gone through the community program they hadn't gone out to to California themselves but and just seeing what it did in their lives coming off medications completely and being at a severe severe level beyond where I you know even thought myself to be and seeing how it changed their life I I decided that that's that's what I want to do yes the Lord had his hand on you the whole time I mean he had a plan for you obviously to go to this program to get help it's just so again you know you watch how the devil just tries to take you into that dark place and yet God has such a marvelous light to bring you into and so was it did you have flashbacks were you having flashbacks from the previous relationship I was yes there were some other instances that happened that brought what happened with me back to light and I was I guess in hearing other have events which transpired started bringing nightmares that I used to mmm-hmm it was always the same same thing over and over and I would have that nightmare multiple times a week you know wake up crying or screaming and my husband I know more than once I woke him up and he I would just say I was just sorry I'm just a bad dream no go back to sleep but it got to where if he was working a night shift at the hospital and I would stay up all night because I'd create these scenarios in my head that weren't realistic they weren't you know they have no no basis other than my mind just imagining up worst-case scenarios of what can happen yeah and I would dwell on them and that that was definitely contributed to a downward spiral yes we're getting to a place of desperation so what happened when you went to the program to Nedley Health Solutions with many things actually so we of course we address the mental aspect of it the spiritual and even the physical and I was able to get counseling which really helped me with teaching me how to reframe some of these thoughts that come to mind how to twist things into a positive light and even things with we talked about my my ankle and just how that was even affecting my lifestyle as a mother and you know not being able to run and play with my children like simple things that it kind of robs you of and dr. Nedley actually suggested acid if I had asked if I had heard of something called boswellia and he told me about it it's a frankincense derivative and and you know when he told me this I just put on a smile and a nod oh okay try I had you know I was very skeptical of it as you know many people tend to be with anything natural just you know how our world are thinking nowadays yes but I you know it's open to giving anything a try so we started on that and he told me to give it a couple days to start working and we had a who are using it topically or internally it's a pill form herb you know part of improving the brain we need to look at all of the aspects and it really concerned me for her being so young mmm not being able to exercise because she really couldn't exercise to the level that was gonna really be helpful as far as this brain chemistry is concerned and I knew it would be a multi-faceted approach that was going to produce the the benefit so I saw that ankle my heart went out to her and when I heard there was no cartilage as well I thought well you know let's see I was thinking of course she was telling me the things that she had tried but the Lord brought that to mind and what happened I in the mornings would wake up and some mornings you crawl out of bed you have to stand and do all these exercises to get moving and I believe it was day two that I woke up and I got out of bed and walked right across the room without even thinking about it and this is after I mean we were I was pushing myself to walk too uncomfortable levels at first mm-hm just to you know really I really wanted to get everything out of this program and so I fully expected to not be walking and I just jumped out of bed and started walking across the room and then it dawned on me [Laughter] and it just got better from there and then I just I think everyone just thought I was really competitive with wanting to walk and out walk everyone else but really and just like I just I think I was second so this is the buzz will you work on the inflammation correct as well as rebuilding the cartilage well I don't know that there's evidence that it rebuilds the cartilage but it does take care of the inflammation mm-hmm and there are some things that can rebuild the cartilage and I'd have to go back into your chart to see if you if we looked at any methylation issues and you but sometimes if there is under methylation a methylating agent can actually help build cartilage for instance has been no mm-hmm so you were put on Sammy as well then yeah not only did she go you know to number two and all of the steps and someone who really couldn't walk without limp and pain hmm but when the discharge recommendations and what was happening I recommended she continued to train in regards to the brain chemistry and I think at the 20-week point we talked about 20 weeks earlier for the brain permanently changing what did you do then I said my goal I told him I was going to make my goal to be a dude to do a half marathon you know that's that's a pretty big goal but if you want to try yes I'm gonna do it and I did I did my first 13 weeks pregnant from being so painful to walk and barely being able to walk to walking a half marathon 13 weeks pregnant running a baby yeah I'm pregnant with a third child during those during that 20 weeks yes so the program really actually just totally turned things around for you by the grace of God it's just our family life significantly improved and that's not to say we don't still have ups and downs especially through the pregnancy and since having the baby it's been tough because sleep is a big part of mm-hmm being able to keep on track and have energy and so it's it's been taking some work to get back to where we were at but I mean that year the the date of when the I guess the cause of the PTSD that I was manifesting would come every year it would just I would dwell on that day and after a program that day came and went without me even thinking about it it was just my best friend's birthday and nothing else and it wasn't until weeks later that I realized hey I didn't even think about that thank you Lord yes it sounds like the program really gets to the root cause as opposed to masking the symptoms yes exactly and that's that's called eradication oh yeah a lot of people think today that there is no way that can happen they talked about controlling it right and yeah you know you can't get rid of it managing and if we get to the root causes and we reverse those root causes it actually can be eradicated doesn't mean it can't come back if you have the same things in in place that brought it about come back again but it can actually be cured and that's the goal and every patient so you talk about the 20 weeks yeah so during those the weeks after the weeks following participation in the program what is the patient doing during that time yeah well we give them a series of recommendations and kind of four areas you know one of the areas has to do with the physical and another has to do with nutrition because nutrition plays such a vital role in them hmm and some of the physical things are gonna be exercise it might be contrast showers it might be light therapy those types of things and then there are certain nutritional things in her case the boswellia supplements the sámi getting rid of any inflammation in the diet arachidonic acid is one of those Pro inflammatory mediators that present and meat and fish and eggs and so changing the diet to get rid of the inflammation and then on top of that then we talk about the cognitive or the thought aspect of things so there's certain tasks that we're having them go through there might be reviewing flashcards because people with PTSD have a tendency to have a mental filter there everything that they see is kind of filtered through that traumatic event and although she didn't go into the trauma had a Kievan much I mean it was it was an attempted to take her life and and so it was a significant fortunately it was somebody else came in at the time that that was trying to happen otherwise and we might have you know she might have lost her life in the process and so with that mental filter there we have to teach them to be intentional and forceful to look for evidence to support a different way of thinking and so and so we don't carry that filter with us all the time and so it has to be intentional and forceful at first which means you might have to have flashcards what are the thoughts that are my negative automatic thoughts that come what is the replacement and even review those on a regular basis and there's some reading material that's completed during the 20 weeks and then there's also the spiritual part and so that is yet another aspect that we're dealing with in regards to an overall meaning and purpose and being able to enhance the frontal lobe through different ways of focusing in on aspects of the word that can really help in regards to that and of course we have counselors in each one of those areas that are there at the program we have a spiritual counselor that sees them all individually that's what Frank was talking about when he talked about Dawn that some don mackintosh oh does that and then we have different cognitive behavioral therapists we have several of those in the program that are dealing with the thought aspect of things and then of course with me dealing with the physical and nutritional part and so we have professionals on each one of those so she was working through that during the 20 weeks some need more of a support and we recommend what's called an extended support plan where they'll actually have a meeting with the therapist every week by Skype to continue on with the 20 weeks and we'll do follow-up bloodwork where we want to make sure that we've corrected the biochemical issues we'll find some epigenetic issues and we want to make sure are we actually correcting this and you're not do we need to tweak some things to correct it further so it's a comprehensive approach it's an involved approach but it is well worth the effort it's an effective yes yeah so looking back over your experiences at the program what would both of you say have been the most valuable takeaways from the program Frank I can't take a single part of it I mean it works together it's a package deal you know if I if I spend a lot of time really working on my spiritual and my physical but I ignore the mental aspect and Satan will see that as a in my armor and he'll come in and attack me in that way if I focus on the mental and the spiritual but I don't take care of my physical part so you know I would be reticent to say that one of those was the most important because you know improving my my nutritional intake had a big part to play in my ability to think more clearly I think that's a big part of it my cognition I'm going through the cognitive behavioral therapy was important in order to sort of disaffected be illogical thought processes that you know we fall into because we don't know what else to do and and you know and and working with Donna and the spiritual part of it was was hugely important because from that I was able to get just you actually just a couple verses I mean I've read the Bible a few times and but he came up with these verses in just sort of solve that whole problem for me in an instant you know so the best part about it actually is being there on site because it's a bootcamp as what it is so I understand people go through this in their community some I think that's great but there's a benefit particularly if you're like a kinesthetic learner to be there in the middle of it when it's going on I think the best part was just being there you know if nothing else that's good when ranked as is saying in regards to God's love that a lot of people don't look at it from that perspective but frank- that God loves me so much that he allows me to suffer the consequences of my behaviors mmm because if there were no consequences I wouldn't have changed I mean you know part of being a human is when something hurts you move away from it yeah God allows that pain to come in because he loves me and wants me to be he cares more about my salvation than he does my day-to-day you know my wife would say that that everything happens for a reason but sometimes the reason is that I just make poor choices loves me so much that he allows me to suffer the consequences of my that brings me to change a really good point really good point what about for me I'd say one of the most beneficial things that I took away was reframing thoughts and you know it's easy to focus on the bad things that have happened in life the the hardships that you are given and if you're focusing on the negative aspect of it then you're missing all of the positive that's behind that as well it's you can you can make excuses for only so long and you can say you know it's tough to have an unfortunate past everybody has something that happens but you have to make the choice that you're not going to let it keep affecting your future from there forward and they helped me to see that and to reframe those negative thoughts into positive and be able to see yes this happened but now look at what all came about because of it and going forward it's just you know a complete new take on life really sounds like that even if I remember I was on social media as we're talking about earlier with being in the screen and all that stuff and I saw me more or just some kind of quote and it said something about you know we've got to get away from the what-ifs and grab hold of the even if so even if this this happens I'm trusting in the Lord even if this happens you know I'm gonna serve the Lord even if this happens I'm going to praise the Lord and get away from the what if this doesn't work out what if what if what if yeah and even if and just like you just said it's that even if yeah that's good Stacey also embodies one of the one of my favorite quotes and it's kind of also the basis of the program because these are kind of what you've seen today are really kind of mirror stories and every every program you know sometimes I'll see magazines that talk about a miracle story but every program we get to see miracle after miracle happening but in regards to her ankle you know I must admit I didn't know how much the boswellia would help I was hoping it would help some but I didn't anticipate you know the pain being gone and her being number two and then doing a half marathon but the quote that I like as natural means use in accordance with God's will bring about supernatural results I think there was the supernatural the natural choice that brought about the ability to run walk thirteen weeks pregnant while we're talking about quotes yeah see one of my favorite from dr. nedley's was and when you said it the first time and that is that I'm genetics loads the gun yes and lifestyle pulls the trigger and I thought that was just amazing because that's an overcoming saying is what it is yeah it means that I don't have to be stuck in that place even if so the program we know that it deals with depression and anxiety are there other aspects of the program as well or is this the is this what you do well no there are other aspects we've had people come you know for gastroenterology issues you know for chronic pain in their belly every time they eat or they can't seem to gain weight or things like that there's usually a mental health component involved but it might be more of a physical issue then as a mental issue and if we clear up the physical issue than the mental issue can clear up and so we'll have people that come primarily for physical issues but the majority since it's called the depression and anxiety recovery program the majority are there primarily for the mental health issues but often they don't recognize the physical issues that help bring them to the point and so we have this tendency in medicine to separate the brain from the body area - and you know the brain is somehow this black box that only a psychiatrist might be able to deal with or whatever but often the psychiatrist's although they might be an expert in regards to utilizing medications or combination of medications in regards to trying to alter the brain chemistry of the brain of course those foreign medicines can have some side effects as well so they have to try to manage those side effects with maybe other medicines and those sorts of things it actually works best when we recognize that this is one entity and if we really help the physical we can help the brain as well and so this is of course very rewarding work it's one of the most you know I have a lot of enjoyable things in life that I do but I always mentioned the most enjoyable thing that I do is taking people from the depths of depression and anxiety and helping them to lead a life that is not only free of that but at the highest levels of emotional intelligence where they're able to manage their relationships and they're able to have very positive relationships and able to manage their emotions even on down days and even when bad things happen to them and have the proper motivation to achieve high goals and to be fulfilled in life and it is exciting to see people like the three that we've had here today doing exactly those types of things where it didn't seem to be possible earlier in their life it sounds like you found your calling in your purse so before we go just kind of if you would walk us through a day at the Nedley what's a typical day alright well let's see this is Oh 5:30 on your door walk away to this really so there's no okay I'm good fresh people or late night people and so if you don't get them up and you just let them get up when they want to get up they're not going to be able to alter their brain chemistry in a positive way yeah they're up early getting up early is early to bed early to rise is one of the things that helps us with negative thoughts Wow and we change them from late night people to early morning people not just by knocking on their door but right after we knock on the door what's next 30 minutes of light therapy we do light therapy that simulates the blue sky so they're getting serotonin and after seven days the body clock is reset so now they're waking up with energy in the morning and it's not drudgery and they're ready to go to sleep early at night and they're and they have much more efficient sleep because I make more melatonin at night I mean I was always a morning person but not that kind of well yeah but not that way but I would say that I mean you know there's not a lot of free time between zero 5:30 and 9:30 at night or nine o'clock at night and that's a good thing I didn't like it at first because I was one of the oldest guys there you know so I I had different habits than some of the kids did but but yeah it's a very structured day yeah breakfast yeah so they exercise pretty vigorously before breakfast every morning and then and then breakfast and then breakfast yeah and it's a good nutritious breakfast mm-hmm and so they're getting their tyrosine and their tryptophan and all of those nutrients are gonna help them make good brain chemistry omega-3 mm-hm and so we're loading in the brain and helping it to become more resilient the nutritional aspect is so giving it what it needs in order to to work optimally and then we have our first morning session after that which is actually more on the reflective meditative spiritual side mm-hm and then the day is pretty different from one patient to another but there's appointments there's exercise there's hydrotherapy the hydrotherapy sessions are normally a couple of times a day yep and then there's group sessions and there's group coaching sessions you know Frank even did well with the group sessions thought so I did a good you know and the second week he went to a homeless shelter and shared his testimony Wow and this is something that he doesn't like to do getting out Republican things but I realized you know he was to the point where we could do this I didn't give him much advance notice no no you told me I think you told me at 11:00 and we left at 11:30 we want to thank you for being with us this time went by really fast we thank you so much for your transparency for sharing for sharing your journey with us and we thank you dr. Nedley for all that you're doing on behalf of folks around the world I really appreciate what you're doing well to God be the glory amen amen thank you so much and give us your website real quick all right dr Nedley dot-com or depression the way out calm oh thank you so much god bless you thank you Jason by the way I had to make sure I thank my co-host god bless you [Music] [Music] you [Music]

Channel: Three Angels Broadcasting Network (3ABN)

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Length: 116min 0sec (6960 seconds)

Published: Tue Oct 22 2019