RELATIONSHIP WITH THE FORMER PRESIDENT, 2024 RACE, THE IMPACT OF THE JANUARY 6th HEARINGS. >> WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO HAVE? >> I THINK I'M GOING TO GET DUMPLINGS. >> I'M SORRY I'M LATE. HOT AND SOUR SOUP. THAT'S WHAT I WAS GOING HAVE. >> OKAY. >> NICE BOWL OF SOUP ON A COLD DAY. >> YOU ACTUALLY FIRST MET AT A MEAL LIKE THIS IN 1987. >> LIKE JANUARY. AND GEORGE MILLER, WHO WAS MY ROOMMATE, MY LANDLORD, HE SAID THERE IS A NEW PERSON JOINING OUR GROUP. HER NAME IS NANCY PELOSI. SHE IS THE NEW CONGRESS MEMBER FROM SAN FRANCISCO, AND SHE -- BEFORE I MET HER, SHE WILL BECOME THE FIRST WOMAN SPEAKER. THAT'S WHAT HE SAID. GOD'S TRUTH. >> HE WAS RIGHT. >> WHAT WAS INTERESTING ABOUT IT -- >> YOU REALLY KNEW THE FIRST TIME? >> I KNEW SHE WOULD REALLY BE A FORCE. >> WHATEVER THAT MIGHT BE. >> WOULD YOU LIKE FOR SOME APPETIZERS? >> SO I'LL HAVE AN ORDER OF SHRIMP DUMPLINGS. >> OKAY. >> AND THEN I'LL HAVE SOME STRING BEANS. >> TALK TO ME ABOUT YOUR RELATIONSHIP. THE TWO OF YOU FINISH EACH OTHER'S SENTENCES. YOU'RE ON THE PHONE CONSTANTLY, FOUR -- >> 455-730 -- AND I'M NOT GOING TO SAY THE LAST. >> OH, PLEASE. YOU KNOW EVERYBODY'S PHONE NUMBER. >> I PROBABLY DIAL HERS JUST ABOUT MORE THAN ANYONE OTHER THAN PEOPLE IN MY FAMILY. >> HERE IS THE THING. I SAY THIS ALL THE TIME. HE HAS -- WHAT DO YOU CALL THAT PHONE? >> A FLIP PHONE. >> A FLIP PHONE. IF HE HAD A REGULAR SMARTPHONE, WE COULD REDUCE THE NUMBER OF CONVERSATIONS, BECAUSE I COULD JUST TEXT HIM. >> HOW WOULD YOU DESCRIBE YOUR RELATIONSHIP, YOUR CALL? THE POWER COUPLE, YOU'RE CALLED AN ODD COUPLE. >> WE'RE CLOSE FRIENDS. IT'S ALMOST LIKE BROTHER AND SISTER. >> THAT'S RIGHT. >> WHEN YOU DISAGREE, WHO WINS? >> USUALLY HER. >> NO, NO. WHEN WE DISAGREE, THEN WE END THE CONVERSATION, AND WE KNOW WE'RE GOING TO COME BACK. >> A TOUGH ONE A WEEK AGO, RIGHT? WHAT WAS IT? >> WHAT WAS IT ABOUT? >> I DON'T REMEMBER WHAT IT WAS. BUT IT WAS SHALL WE SAY CANDID. >> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT HOW THE TWO OF YOU NAVIGATED WORKING WITH FORMER PRESIDENT TRUMP, BECAUSE OF -- >> WE HAD A GOOD TIME. >> HE FAMOUSLY NICKNAMED THE TWO OF YOU CHUCK AND NANCY, RIGHT? IT WAS ALWAYS CHUCK AND NANCY. I THINK YOU BOTH NEW THAT SPEAKER PELOSI GOT UNDER HIS SKIN, RIGHT? >> YES. >> WAS THERE A STRATEGY WHEN YOU WENT IN TO A MEETING? WAS THERE A GOOD COP/BAD COP? >> HE'S JUST INAUGURATED. THIS IS AN HISTORIC MOMENT. THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. SO I'M THINKING HOW IS HE GOING TO BEGIN? IS HE GOING QUOTE THE CONSTITUTION, AMERICAN HISTORY, POET, THE BIBLE? "YOU KNOW I WON THE POPULAR VOTE." >> THAT'S HOW HE STARTED. >> AND I SAID, "MR. PRESIDENT, THAT'S JUST NOT TRUE." >> WE SORT OF SET HIM UP INSTINCTIVELY. WE DIDN'T PLAN THIS. EVERYONE THOUGHT WE PLANNED THIS OUT. IT WAS ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN THE FIRST TIME. AND NANCY SAID SOMETHING TO HIM ABOUT HE DIDN'T -- ABOUT WOMEN. >> CHUCK WAS MASTERFUL. HE WAS MASTERFUL. >> SHE SET HIM UP SO I COULD GO IN FOR THE KILL. >> HE WAS MASTERFUL. HE IS TALKING TO HIM ABOUT THE GOVERNMENT SHUTDOWN AND ABOUT IMMIGRANTS AND THE REST. AND HE SAYS "I TAKE OWNERSHIP". >> "MR. PRESIDENT, WILL YOU OWN THE SHUTDOWN"? "YES, I WILL." >> THERE ARE A SERIES OF MOMENTS THAT YOU SAW FIRSTHAND. THERE IS THE CLAP. THERE IS TEARING UP THE SPEECH, AND THEN THERE IS THE FAMOUS PICTURE. IT'S THE MEETING IN THE CABINET ROOM WHERE YOU STOOD UP AND CONFRONTED. LOOKING BACK AT THOSE MOMENTS, WHAT WAS GOING THROUGH YOUR MIND? >> I SAID HE DOESN'T STAND A CHANCE. [ LAUGHTER ] HE DOESN'T KNOW WHAT HE IS UP AGAINST. I TELL PEOPLE NANCY INSTINCTIVELY KNEW HOW TO HANDLE TRUMP, BECAUSE FOR HER FIRST, YOU KNOW, 35, 40 YEARS OF LIFE, SHE RAISED FIVE CHILDREN, AND SHE KNEW HOW TO DEAL WITH CHILDREN. AND THAT'S WHAT HELP HERD DEAL WITH TRUMP, BECAUSE HE ULTIMATELY WAS A CHILD. >> WE HAD A DIFFERENT APPROACH. CHUCK IS A NEW YORKER. >> BROOKLYN. >> BROOKLYN. SO THEY SPOKE THEIR OWN KIND OF -- THEY UNDERSTOOD EACH OTHER. >> JANUARY 6th, THERE IS EXTRAORDINARY FOOTAGE OF THE TWO OF YOU BEING EVACUATED WHAT WAS IT LIKE THAT DAY? >> IT WAS HORRIBLE. I MEAN, IT WAS A HORRIBLE TIME. >> IT WAS FRIGHTENING. PEOPLE ARE INVADING THE CAPITOL. WE WERE BOTH WORRIED ABOUT OUR OWN MEMBERS, PEOPLE IN ANY SENATE, PEOPLE IN THE HOUSE, WHAT WAS HAPPENING TO THEM BECAUSE THEY WHISKED US OFF TO THIS OTHER PLACE. FOR A WHILE, CELL PHONE SERVICE DIDN'T HAPPEN. AND IT WAS JUST FRIGHTENING. >> DID YOU TRY TO REACH OUT TO THE PRESIDENT HIMSELF? >> YES. THEY WASN'T PUT HIM ON. THE ATTORNEY GENERAL, I THINK IT WAS ACTING ATTORNEY GENERAL, HE WOULDN'T PUT HIM ON. >> HE WOULDN'T TAKE YOUR CALLS? >> THE PRESIDENT WOULDN'T, THAT'S RIGHT. >> I THINK YOU SEE IN SOME OF THE FILM HOW FIRM CHUCK WAS WHEN WE WERE CALLING THE GOVERNORS, THE MAYORS, THE SECRETARY. AND WE WERE TELLING THE SECRETARY OF THE ARMY, THE ATTORNEY GENERAL. THE SECRETARY OF THE ARMY WAS SUPPOSED -- IT'S REALLY A TRAGEDY THAT THEY DID NOT SEND THE NATIONAL GUARD EARLIER. >> THEY WERE SORT OF AFRAID TO ACT. TRUMP HAD SO INTIMIDATED EVERYBODY, YOU COULD NEVER TELL HIM THE TRUTH. YOU COULD NEVER CONTRADICT HIM. HAVE SOME PEKING DUCK. IT'S GOOD. I'M EATING SO MUCH. >> THERE IS A CNN POLL THAT JUST CAME OUT THAT SHOWS THERE IS STILL APPETITE ON BOTH SIDES FOR A BIDEN-TRUMP REMATCH IN 2024. YOU'RE STEPPING ASIDE. DO YOU THINK PRESIDENT BIDEN SHOULD STEP ASIDE FOR A YOUNGER GENERATION? >> I THINK PRESIDENT BIDEN HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT JOB AS PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES. I HOPE THAT HE DOES SEEK REELECTION. HE'S BEEN A GREAT PRESIDENT. >> LOOK AT WHAT HE HAS ACCOMPLISHED. >> HE SHOULD RUN AGAIN. >> HE HAS DONE AN EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT JOB. AND HE RUNS, I'M GOING TO SUPPORT HIM ALL THE WAY. >> RIGHT NOW, DONALD TRUMP IS THE ONLY REPUBLICAN WHO IS ANNOUNCED. HE COULD BE THE NOMINEE. HE COULD BE PRESIDENT AGAIN. YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH THE FIRST PRESIDENCY. YOU'VE BEEN THROUGH JANUARY 6th. WHAT WOULD IT MEAN IF DONALD TRUMP WAS RE-ELECTED PRESIDENT? >> I DON'T THINK IT WILL HAPPEN. THE AMERICAN PEOPLE HAVE GOTTEN WISE TO HIM. IT TOOK A LITTLE WHILE, BUT THEY DID. >> I DON'T THINK THAT WE SHOULD TALK ABOUT HIM WHILE WE'RE EATING. [ LAUGHTER ] >> SEE? >> REALLY, ANOTHER TRUMP PRESIDENCY? >> YOU CALLED DONALD TRUMP, QUOTE, INSANE. >> I THINK THERE I
