THAT IS THE SAME DAY THE FIRST PRESIDENTIAL DEBATE TAKES PLACE. JULY 11th, HIS SENTENCING DATE, FOUR DAYS LATER HE WILL ACCEPT THE NOMINATION AT THE RNC, IF YOU CAN BELIEVE IT. SUZANNE CRAIG AND DANIEL IS BACK WITH ME TO TALK MORE ABOUT ALL OF THIS. I WANT TO PICK UP A LITTLE BIT ON WHERE I LEFT OFF IN THE LAST SEGMENT. HOW WE JUDGE, SUZANNE, THE MERIT AND STRENGTH OF THIS CASE EARLY ON. DID WE DO A DISSERVICE TO THE MANHATTAN D.A. BY SAYING THIS WAS THE FOUR OF THE WEAKEST, AT TIMES, CASE WHEN THEY CONFERRED A CONVICTION. WE LOOK AT THE D.C. ELECTION INTERFERENCE AND SAID THAT IS THE STRONGEST. >> Reporter: I NEVER THOUGHT ABOUT IN TERMS -- I HAVE HEARD THAT DEBATE. I LOOKED AT IT IN TERMS OF SEVERE AND CONSEQUENTIAL. I ALSO STILL THINK THE ELECTION INTERFERENCE PART OF IT, I KNOW PEOPLE ARE CALLING A HUSH MONEY PAYMENT AND PAYMENT TO A STAR, SO IT WAS MINIMIZED. IT HAD TO DO WITH ELECTION INTERFERENCE. IT SEEMS CINEMATIC TO ME WHEN YOU LOOK AT THE FACT THAT THERE IS ALSO THE JANUARY 6th CASE, THE RIGHTS AND THREAT TO DEMOCRACY RIGHT AT THE HEART OF IT. IN THE CLASSIFIED DOCUMENTS CASE IS SO SERIOUS. I THINK THAT WE CAN'T -- I JUST SORT OF FRAME IT MORE JOURNALISTICALLY. I LOOK AT IT IN TERMS OF DID WE DO A DISSERVICE OR SERVICE TO ITS? THERE CERTAINLY WAS NOVEL THINGS IN THIS CASE THAT CAUSE PEOPLE TO HAVE THAT DISCUSSION. IT WAS THE FIRST TO GO FORWARD AND THEY HAVE A CONVICTION. A LOT OF PEOPLE DID NOT THINK IT WOULD GET TO THAT POINT AND MAYBE IT SHOULD NOT HAVE BEEN BROUGHT. I JUST 10 TO BELIEVE YOU SHOULD BRING THE CASES THAT ARE JUST AND FEEL RIGHT, NO MATTER WHO THEY ARE AGAINST. >> DANIEL, I WANT TO TALK SENTENCING HERE BUT I WANT HAVE CLARITY ON THIS GAG ORDER. MY UNDERSTANDING IS AND CORRECT ME IF I'M WRONG -- SUZANNE OR DANNY IF YOU KNOW THIS INFORMATION -- I WAS TAKING A LOOK AT THE GAG ORDER FROM THE COURT. MY UNDERSTANDING IS THIS GAG ORDER IS STILL IN PLACE. IF THAT IS, IN FACT, THE CASE, HE DID VIOLATE THE GAG ORDER EVEN YESTERDAY DURING HIS 45 MINUTE OR SO PRESSER. YOU COUPLED THAT WITH HIS 10 VIOLATIONS THROUGHOUT THE TRIAL AND THE $10,000 HE HAS HAD TO PAY AND YOU THINK ABOUT THE SENTENCING. IS THERE A POSSIBILITY OF THE FORMER PRESIDENT SEEING JAIL TIME HERE, DANNY? >> Reporter: THERE IS A POSSIBILITY. I DON'T BELIEVE HE WILL SEE JAIL TIME. LET ME TAKE YOU THROUGH THE FOR AND AGAINST. THE FOUR INCARCERATION ARE LESS THAN THE AGAINST THE INCARCERATION FOR DONALD TRUMP WILL NOT ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY. THAT IS A MAJOR FACTOR. A SIGNIFICANT FACTOR IN SENTENCING. RELATED TO THAT IS HIS DEFIANCE OF THE GAG ORDER. BASICALLY, HIS CONSTANTLY ANNOYING THE JUDGE. THOSE ARE TWO POINTS THAT WAY IN FAVOR OF A POSSIBLE INCARCERATION SENTENCE. HERE ARE THE POINTS AGAINST IT. ONE, NO VIOLENCE. TWO, NO DRUGS. THREE, NO DRUGS OR GUNS. FIRST-TIME OFFENDER. FIVE, OVER 70 YEARS OLD THE RATES OF ASCETICISM PLUMMET AFTER AGE 70. AND THE OTHERS I THINK ARE INDISPUTABLE. THE CONTROVERSIAL REASON IS THERE IS NO TRADITIONAL LOSS AND NO TRADITIONAL VICTIMS. I HAVE GOTTEN A LOT OF HEAT FOR SAYING THIS. WHAT I AM TALKING ABOUT IS THE WAY WE TRADITIONALLY WAY VICTIMS AND LOSS. >> ISN'T STORMY DANIELS SEEN -- DID NOT MEAN TO INTERRUPT YOU BUT SOMETIMES I LIKE TO. ISN'T STORMY DANIELS, WHICH SHE NOT BE CONSIDERED A VICTIM HERE? NOT THE VICTIM IN THE NORMAL SENSE OF THE WORD, SHE IS NOT A MURDER VICTIM PER SE OR AN ASSAULT VICTIM BUT, NONETHELESS, A VICTIM OF THIS, RIGHT? >> Reporter: STORMY DANIELS IS THE OPPOSITE OF A VICTIM. SHE MADE $130,000. I WOULD BE HARD-PRESSED TO FIND A VICTIM IN AMERICAN CRIMINAL HISTORY WHO PROFITED TO THE TUNE OF $130,000. NORMALLY THEY ARE MEASURED, THEY CAN BE THE STATE OR GOVERNMENT IF YOU DEFRAUD THEM OUT OF WELFARE BENEFITS. OR THEY CAN BE VICTIMS, LET US SAY I MADE OF A FICTIONAL UNIVERSITY AND CHARGE PEOPLE TUITION, LIKE SOMEONE WE KNOW. THAT MIGHT BE A VICTIM IF THERE WERE A CRIMINAL CASE. THEY HANDED OVER THE MONEY AND WAS DEFRAUDED. THIS IS NOT THE TRADITIONAL VIEW OF VICTIMS AND LOSS. PEOPLE WILL SAY, WELL, HE MAY HAVE SUBVERTED THE ELECTION AND LOOK AT ALL THE BAD THINGS THAT HAPPEN AS A RESULT. I AGREE, THAT MIGHT BE TRUE. IT IS NOT WHAT WE TRADITIONALLY THINK OF AT LEAST IN SENTENCING AS VIC COMES AND LOSS. ANYONE CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT AND I AM LISTENING. ANYONE CAN MAKE AN ARGUMENT THAT THERE IS CONSEQUENCES AND PEOPLE WERE HURT AS A RESULT OF DONALD TRUMP'S CRYING. IT IS NOT WHAT WE, IN THE CRIMINAL JUSTICE SYSTEM, TRADITIONALLY THINK OF AS VICTIMS AND FINANCIAL LOSS. YOU MET THE KEYWORD THAT DANNY HAS BEEN USING IS TRADITION. THIS IS SKIRTING TRADITION BUT YOU SAID IT, IS THAT NOT THE VOTERS? >> Reporter: SOMETHING OF GREAT VALUE, SO MUCH VALUE DONALD TRUMP THOUGHT IT WAS ENOUGH THAT HE WENT TO SUCH GREAT LENGTHS TO HIDE IT FROM THE AMERICAN VOTERS. THIS IS NEW TERRITORY BUT THEY ARE VICTIMS. WOULD PEOPLE HAVE CHANGED THEIR VOTE IF THEY HAD KNOWN THIS INFORMATION? DONALD TRUMP CERTAINLY THOUGHT SO BECAUSE HE WENT TO GREAT LENGTHS TO KEEP IT FROM THEM >> DANNY, THE PROBATION OFFICE WHO HAS TO DO THE PRESENTENCING INVESTIGATION, THE PRESENTENCING INTERVIEWS WITH DONALD TRUMP'S FAMILY MEMBERS AND THAT KIND OF THING. IS IT LIKELY, EVEN, THAT DON JR. OR ERIC TRUMP OR DONALD TRUMP HIMSELF ARE GOING TO SIT DOWN WITH ANYONE FROM THE OFFICE TO GIVE THESE INTERVIEWS TO PREPARE FOR THE SENTENCING? >> Reporter: THEY DON'T NECESSARILY HAVE TO. THE PROBATION OFFICER CONDUCTS AND PREPARES THEIR INTERVIEWS AND SOMETIMES DON'T WANT TO TALK. YOU CAN IMAGINE A SITUATION WHERE A CRIMINAL, HIS SPOUSE, I'M NOT GOING TO TALK. THEY RUINED OUR LIVES. THAT HAPPENS. IT IS NOT UNCOMMON FOR THAT TO HAPPEN. DO THEY REALLY NEED TO INTERVIEW DONALD TRUMP TO GET HIS BIOGRAPHICAL INFORMATION? CAN THEY NOT JUST GOOGLE IT, EVERYTHING IS KNOWN ABOUT DONALD TRUMP. NORMALLY, THEY ARE TRYING TO FIND OUT THINGS TO TELL THE JUDGE THE CONTEXT ABOUT THIS PERSON'S LIFE. THE PSR IS IMPORTANT AND THE FACTS GO TO THE JUDGE AND THE JUDGE WEIGHS IT HEAVILY. MORE SO THAN THE SENTENCING MEMORANDUM FROM EACH SIDE. THE BIG QUESTION, I KNOW THE DEFENSE WILL ASK FOR PROBATION ONLY. I AM LOOKING TO SEE WHAT THE D.A. DOES. DO THEY SAY, WE DECLARE VICTORY? WE DON'T NEED AN INCARCERATION SENTENCE. OR DO THEY GO FOR JAIL TIME? THAT IS A REALLY INTERESTING QUESTION. >> I WANT TO TALK ABOUT POLITICS FOR A MOMENT AND WHO WILL BENEFIT FROM ALL OF THIS. ROBERT KENNEDY HAS BEEN IN THE WINGS, WAITING. >> REPORTER:'S NAME COMES UP AS SOMEONE WHO COULD POTENTIALLY BENEFIT IF THIS DOES DRIVE AWAY PEOPLE WHO WERE LEANING TOWARDS TRUMP OR IN TRUMP'S CAMP, I THINK HE WILL ALWAYS HAVE THE CORPORATE KENNEDY DOES STAND TO BENEFIT. IT IS A GOOD REMINDER, I PULLED UP THE LIST. HE IS ALREADY ON THE BALLOT IN CALIFORNIA, DELAWARE, HAWAII, OKLAHOMA, TEXAS AND UTAH. HE HAS SECURED HIS PLACE IN NUMEROUS OTHER STATES INCLUDING IOWA, NEBRASKA AND IDAHO. HE IS LOOKING TO GET ON THE BALLOT IN EVERY STATE. WE DO NOT TALK ABOUT IT A LOT BUT HE IS MOVING FORWARD AND HE HAS GOT MONEY AND MACHINERY ON THE GROUND. HE IS COLLECTING SIGNATURES TO GET ON THE BALLOT OR HE IS GETTING ON THROUGH THE OTHER PARTIES. HE IS TAKING THEIR SPOT. I SEE HIM AS A WINNER IN TERMS OF WHAT HAPPENED THIS WEEK. IF THERE IS PEOPLE WHO ARE LOOKING FOR AN ALTERNATIVE AND HE IS OUT THERE CRITICIZING THE VERDICT, HE IS DEFINITELY PLAYING INTO THAT AND HOPING TO CUT OFF SOME VOTE ON THIS. >> WHO BE
