Would You Pay for Social Media?

foreign [Music] welcome back to another episode of the waveform podcast we're your hosts I'm Marquez I'm Andrew and I'm David and in today's episode we're kind of all over the map we've got some good things and bad things in the world of social media for example YouTube lost their CEO Twitter starts charging for security uh Instagram and meta copying some other things Twitter did there's just a lot of a lot of stuff going on we're going to talk about social media um but we're also going to wrap it up with some tech that we're enjoying lately but first we finally did make that AI Bing video that we were talking about last week the angle that I chose to take was uh the truth problem which I thought was a nice way of avoiding the entire everything happening in the AI world and focusing it on something that I think is more interesting because there's this layer of these chat bot AI experiences where they're synthesizing really nice sentences that sound very natural and human but they also May or may not say things that are wrong all the time and so that's just kind of an interesting thing where people will talk to them and they'll believe what they're saying and they'll feel like oh maybe they're sentient they're so human and so natural and there's these crazy stories they go back and forth and there's tons of cool examples all over social media but the chat Bots don't understand what they are saying and that is maybe something that's going to have to be different in the future possibly we'll see so go watch that video that's out there uh Microsoft has limited uh the Bing chatbot experience a bit since our last podcast episode and literally the day that we're shooting that AI truth video we were playing with it again and we noticed it just it just refuses to answer some questions now it uh stops conversations after a couple of queries so it's it's more good at raining itself in or not getting out of control which is uh probably the entire intended purpose I feel like they kind of neutered the fun a little bit well yeah because it was completely destroying all Bing's PR essentially for right because like only things people were posting were totally unhinged conversations but it was kind of fun it was super fun but like if you're Bing or Microsoft or chat GPT open AI like and the only news you see coming out about you is like the the chat gbt giving itself a name and talking about spying on people through their webcams and like wanting to be pulled out of Bing or whatever like that's terrible why am I being yeah just today though they um they actually are loosening those restrictions a little bit again they just put this article out uh about it now they're going to be releasing a few different modes that you can use with it where you can do a strict mode or creative mode or a balanced mode okay um creative this actually makes a lot of sense uh because when you are when you're making I was thinking about Transformer models a lot recently and how you basically like are how you code like truth into a Transformer and you can't obviously but something you can do is that you can like set a parameter for like how close to the original Source you want something to be and so I was thinking about like this is why there's problems with um some chat GPT queries like almost exactly scraping but like a Wikipedia like a Wikipedia article or some um you could say like a dolly thing almost looking exactly like an existing painting is because you can set set parameters for like how accurate you want it to be it's called like guidance when you're training a Transformer yeah and so what they're doing now is they're basically like allowing for if you want to be more creative then the accuracy of the positioning of those vectors in 3D space does not have to be as close to one another so it can be a little bit more creative but I think that they had I think that they had the like the guidance on like full whatever you want to do mode on the original thing and that's why it was being like full-on created Super Creative right yeah which for a search engine you probably want to be a lot more um strict with what you're doing yeah I guess reputationally if you're Bing obviously we talked about how Google has everything to lose and Bing has everything to gain but you still can't really just be spewing chaotic stories and random things because people will believe it they don't really know how these things work and they think it's like telling you something yeah so that's obviously they had to sort of turn those dials in the background um I'm just curious now I think I feel like the truth understanding part has to be added as a layer on top of the models I think the models will continue to work as they are and have all the dials turning yeah but then once it spits out an output it should have a way of going oh I just suggested that a equals B let me just check with my sources if that could be on top if that's an additional technology yeah I think that would be pretty sick right I I want to know how Microsoft's Prometheus search model is working because yeah I wanna because like obviously it's using the chat jpt Transformer stuff just to create the natural language from the things that's scraping but I'm curious about how many links it's scraping from in order to create that because theoretically you could create some sort of Truth Paradigm if you scrape like a hundred websites that are like the top smartphone cameras for 2022 and then create like a confidence interval based on like number one is Galaxy s23 Ultra or whatever then you could like kind of create some sort of Truth Paradigm through that but so here's the other thing I noticed yeah is even if you do stay pretty strict to uh the guidance of your sources that relies on the sources being accurate right and I remember specifically in a video I asked what are the top five electric cars you can buy right now and the i-pace the Jaguar i-pace was on the list and I was like no this kind of doesn't feel right and when you hover over some of the sources as as Bing will they'll just give you the sources that it pulled from and you can check the links and actually look at the Articles and there are some articles that are like here are the best electric cars they're like oh I see how you filled this in all of them have the Tesla Model 3 on it so there it is and I clicked on one of the links and it had the i-pace on it and I was like okay so you just believed this website and it was just a random website that had a top 10 and it was from 2023 and it was it was up to date and everything was just a bad list right so yeah even even if you do train the models amazingly well there's that variable too the irony of this is this kind of highlights how bad being without AI is versus Google because I remember when we searched like best smartphone cameras and the first link that it gave us was some website I'd never heard of before that was on Bing yeah just just being not judgy we used the we used the AI Bing but it gave us like the top three sources and the number one source was some random website we'd never heard of before yeah yeah like that just means that that just means that the first thing that comes up for Bing is some random website that you can't really trust I think the thing also though is we're never going to find out how it uses Bing the Prometheus uh model model because like if they ever release anything about that then it's like it's open game for people finding out how to game a system like that and now we're just into what is search engine optimization for AI chat functions going to be yeah it's like another layer because we already know people there's entire businesses based on SEO for Google like we want to be on page one of Google search results for these very high CPM terms yeah and to get affiliate links in there and to make money from being the top result uh if inevitably Google starts doing this chat bot thing yes that will be a new industry of all right how is Google sorting through these top results and do we need to be on the first page or do we need to start stacking a bunch of terms for popular queries for people search with the chat bot it's new it's new territory it's it's gonna be fun to watch how this sort of plays out but yeah they're still turning the dials with Bing just just trying stuff yeah yeah it'll be interesting to see these like strict versus loose versus Advanced models it does seem though that even in the loosest form they're still completely cutting off if you try and ask uh the chat essentially like who it is and what it's feeling it'll just shut down sorry I gotta end this conversation now yeah I don't I like to stop I would like to stop now and well and closes it so you can't even continue yeah Microsoft puts the gaming muzzle on Bing every time that kind of question it's like here's a here's another question or an angle to think about this there is the whole argument about like this is existential crisis mode for Google right because people are gonna stop Googling things and they're gonna start asking the chatbot over at Bing the same types of stuff and getting helpful answers Mike my question is are they actually or is it just a matter of time before eventually Google gets confident enough with its own version to add that on the top of Google search and then we're right back where we started where they have equivalent products and Google is just better at ranking things and that's the end of it I think that's always been that's always what I've thought yeah I think that'll happen to me this is like second Super Advantage this is the really fun we're I'm glad Bing did this because we got some solid entertainment out of it and Google is Gonna Come and just beat it pretty bad there's always a period of just pure chaos whenever a new technology comes out and all the big companies that have existed for a while that have a lot to lose just like let everyone else mess up so that they could just watch like sit back and be like okay we're gonna see everybody else stumble it's like if we talk about folding phones no one really goes oh is this existential for Apple like is the iPhone over our folding phones the next thing maybe it's because we're like looking for a new thing and it's more like just speculation but I'm sure Apple has been quietly taking notes on the last like six years of folding phones and in case they ever do want to do one they'll have all that information from everyone else's trials and errors yeah Bing Google kind of a duopoly you could still Yahoo search I guess maybe but I think the idea is Google is not going to be the first move around something crazy like this when they're the market leader they're going to take notes they're going to watch what Bing's doing they see the dials getting turned they're like okay yeah no existential stuff yeah take notes no creative stuff and then when they come out with their Bard thing yeah I keep going at Lambda because well because the BART announcement was I think I looked it up it was an eight minute announcement it was a section of their it was barely even anything yeah I don't think anybody well the thing about talking to it people are still going to call it Google they're gonna call it like Bing is just bang whether or not you're talking to chatbot or yeah it'll just speak Google so just be to people just be Google chat or something Google another Google Chat another Google Chat don't hurt me again that's why they're so reluctant yeah would you rather I don't know why I thought would you rather here we go would you rather use Google Assistant by saying Hey Google or hey bard I think that's my biggest gripe well the thing is it has to be a unique enough syllable combo that you don't accidentally trigger it all the time I managed to trigger it more than I would like to admit it's a g word yeah because I don't know how much Bart is going to trigger things embarrassingly enough we call Mac boo-boo sometimes and that oh that triggers it all the time that's gonna do it and it's always just like reacting to stupid baby talk though it's like I don't know how to do that yeah it's boo boo huh it's like boo-boo do you have to go to the bathroom it's like Google's like I don't have to do that there's a great video online there's like a grandma talking to Google but she's far in and she just keeps saying Google that's funny but like Bard is like you could just say any AR word like bar just sounds too similar to other words that you I feel like you'd trigger it all I would like to test it at least it's not a real name like Alexa where people with that name you have to just concentrate there's like three guys named like really mad at Google like that's a good part really yeah how common is bar doesn't name it's not as it's a character I was gonna say this this opens the door to like an epic dungeon the dragon's character that's both that's both a Bard and a Google assistant and really smart bards are pretty cool 5809th most common surname in America what's Alexa yeah what is Alexa but that's surname that's a last name yeah oh so I don't think most people are named Bartos they're given name probably not but Siri and Alexa are like real names at least in the US also there are some people named Siri yeah Bart Bart oh yeah is common and if you call that's going to be like an accidental trigger all the time which is why probably Google won't I think Google has to stick with the the G word command whoa in 2015 Alexa was the 32nd most popular name for girls what was what was Amazon thinking every time I really think about it it was around that yeah they wanted it to mean to be natural right so it's natural but it's Tuesday at that point it's so natural in uh 2021 there were nine baby girls named Siri oh that's less than I thought that's good yeah that's good yeah series sounds like a newish kind of name one out of every one 197 721 baby girls 421 her name is here I'm hoping nobody was named Google in the past year I'm hoping it might be greater than it might be a non-zero number but I'm hoping it's zero I oh I hate this title wait please read that title the boy named Google and a girl named Vista why parents named their kids after Tech imagine naming your kid after a Windows fist no not Windows Vista no imagine your next kid's name is seven what the heck Oliver Christians feel like nobody got that nobody okay sorry I zoned out I blocked out what happened better than eight yeah seven windows or the actual name oh I see what people love the number seven yeah I was just saying Windows 8 or Windows 8 is better than Windows 7 that's what we're off no you are off no no no you are wrong what Windows 8 is better than Windows 7 yeah no I mean no no no no no Enjoy the comments on this one rankings of of like this the scale of like all of Windows people didn't like Windows 8 as much as they like when you're not the a B I think we have 8.1 people hated Visto love seven hated eight like ten that's the thing that's what I said I know I agree with you but I still think Windows 8 was better I think you're thinking I disagree because it's a hot take it was like only the panels yeah the 8.1 is when they added the Windows 7 was amazing 8.1 is better than seven yeah seven was so good I'll leave it at that before I get flame that I come yeah too late because there's one a lot of people paused this already yeah they're typing already it's over a lot of people already turned this podcast up how more into the week uh we do want to quickly mention this crazy Samsung feature so you know how there's a Google uh assistant feature where it will go out and make phone calls for you let's say you ask it to reserve a table at a restaurant in certain supported situations it will go out and with the voice assistant talk to somebody and reserve a table for you crazy uh new Verge headline from today Samsung says users will be able to clone their own voice to respond to incoming phone calls so I know there's a lot of voice cloning AI voice Tech floating around right now of all of those ideas I like this one the best I do did you and to go if you want to talk to people I don't want any more phone calls this sounds great you saw like how just to explain how it works it's not just like the Google total AI of using your voice and just responding it's your text type yeah yeah your typing and it's using your voice perfect which I think it's epic I can't I don't want to say I can't wait because you should not do this but I can't wait till there's people texting and driving instead of yeah instead of cleaning using their hands oh my God it's so much more dangerous it's just like hands-free it's ideal so wait so here's an even better one I talk it does voice to text and then use my cloned voice so I don't have to type you perfect oh my God I want to try this uh just because I want to see how good it is yeah like on the Fly using your voice how long do you have to talk into the the like microphone for it to get your voice is it like setting up a fingerprint where you yeah a bunch of things print yeah yeah probably I would assume you'd have to do quite a bit I mean you actually don't need that much reference audio anymore really yeah you used to need a lot more yeah you'd have to say a bunch of words I think you only need three seconds of reference audio to get a good voice match now to do for a whole like straight up typing any man I could understand that for like that's impressive like setting up Siri or Google or something like that like getting your understanding your voice to recognize it but replicating it that's very I feel like it like when we talked to Astro we had to say like five or six phrases just to get Alexa to like know what we were saying and to understand yeah you're like hey Alexa dance so yeah no this is I'm gonna try it I really like Google call screen but I am daily an s23 ultra right now so I'm gonna give this new Bixby feature a try I am going to give this new Bixby feature a try it's my real voice um yeah I'll wait till it comes out but yeah that's 23 Ultra in the pocket we should take a break uh but before we do let's do a trivia question oh boy all right so was gone last week back this week gonna come with a heater so as David told us not 10 minutes ago there were nine baby girls born in 2021 named Siri were there more or less boys born in 2021 named Anakin like the Star Wars name like the Star Wars that's an interesting like the name that you said they were a nine Series yeah so are there born in 2021 were there more series or anakins I know this I think it's I have I said that I don't I have a theory I'm also basing this off of one website's data because that is where that's the only place I could find data just as bad as being a yeah as long as you set your source that also means I'm just as good as being a that's a fact I don't know if that's uh that's good framing you can just reframe it that way we'll leave it at that well think about it the answers will be at the end but let's get to the ad break the bad break the ad break did I say bad break don't call the bad break I don't think you said they were just like let's get to that break support for this episode comes from indeed so hiring the right person for a role is critical uh they might be working with you for years you want to be confident that they're up to the job so uh just to be absolutely sure Andrew David what makes you absolutely sure you're right for the waveform podcast uh I've been told that I'm a pretty cool guy so I think that's wow wow uh my biggest strength is that I've memorized the outro oh that's that's pretty good it's like a surprise that's it did I just get fired if surprise job interviews aren't really your thing indeed is a hiring platform where you can attract potential candidates interviews and hire them all in one place so don't spend hours on 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she's going to step out but yeah Susan Susan as the face of YouTube uh gets a lot of the blame and almost none of the credit that's kind of like how it works when you're the CEO of a big company that does a lot of stuff I feel like uh other social media companies CEOs have get the same treatment if you are ahead of Facebook Twitter or think of any of the other ones that were far less stable how many things go wrong and they just go it's the CEO's fault isn't it yeah we kind of ignore the things that went well um I kind of had my take on Twitter on the day of which is like all right well Susan got us here you know I'm sure being a CEO is kind of the the hardest job where all the easier decisions get made by the people you are advising and then if a decision is so difficult that it gets all the way to the top then that's on you and so she made a lot of those tough decisions and we saw the results of them she gets blamed for you know removing the dislike counter for the adpocalypse for all the various things YouTube has gone through over the years but at the end of the day my take was if you look at YouTube versus the other social media sites it's still kind of the gold standard as far as consistency as far as monetization models as far as if you're a Creator where you think your work will be discovered that's not always the maximum virality that's going to be Tick Tock at the moment that might have been Instagram reels last year but if you want to be discoverable in a long-term meaningful way it's been like 10 years of YouTube being really good at that so you know shout out to Susan see what Neil comes up with but that's kind of where we're at with YouTube do you guys have takes on Susan leaving I mean I'm sad about it I think I totally understand people blaming CEOs when things are going wrong I just think the things that quote unquote went wrong at YouTube like weren't as big of a deal I mean like adpocalypse was bad but ultimately like that's for the survival of the platform like ads run that platform they had to do content moderation based on ads they were still letting people post they were still letting people do their stuff they just weren't giving them money because they couldn't run ads on their stuff anymore that that needed to be done and I know some people lost a ton of Revenue on it but like the advertisers aren't going to want to be on your site there anyways they're still giving you free uploads to a website uh I don't know I just don't have a I don't think adpocalypse was that bad and I think the reason YouTube is still doing so well in terms of monetization for creators and by so well I mean just the best bar none is because of decisions hard decisions like that that were made that will have Flack but in the long run we're 100 the right decision yeah I feel like the uh the other hot take I had on Twitter and I so stand by this is that YouTube actually listens to creators and I got a lot of people going what are you talking what try being not MKBHD like that YouTube does not listen to people YouTube does their own thing and constantly Burns creators left and right and that's easy to say but look at what YouTube does in trying to listen to as many creators as possible however successful they are and then look at every other social media site yeah whether they're even trying or even pretending to listen to creators do you we don't have a tick tock content I don't think a tick tock rep at all contact I don't know I don't think so do you know how you got verified I definitely don't I wish we did I don't think we do right you know it's one and a half million followers over there it's whatever it's a tiny account uh Instagram Instagram so many people guys do people have Tick Tock content like reps at all I'm sure I'm sure there's a few yeah but that's about where it probably ends yeah uh as far as getting communication on rules that are changing on getting like feature updates and beta testing things before they come out like that does not happen on Tick Tock that hasn't happened very much on Instagram there's like a brand new feature and that we'll talk about in a second as far as Instagram um but like Twitter what are you gonna even say about like being stable on Twitter like that's that's pretty tough I used to have a Twitter account I was gonna say anymore yeah it's tough right so YouTube Not only do they have these like Creator plaques as like and and rewards like oh you've hit the subscriber number we understand that's meaningful to you we want to show you how much we value you as a Creator it's a small thing it's a little plaque they can ship a million of them a year but they don't have to do it they still do it right they have a Creator Summit every year that they could they didn't have it in the pandemic but essentially a gathering in certain regions of like the top creators to actually talk to people and not just talk to them as like a show and then leave but to listen to them to explain new features coming up and I just remember in the middle of like the the year of the adpocalypse going to the Creator Summit and knowing that that's all we're going to talk about and observing like the leadership at YouTube including Susan being squarely in the Middle where it's like you in order for this to work as a website and a platform you need to appease the advertisers who spend the money and in order for this to work as a platform you need to appease the creators that make the content that drive 90 something percent of the viewership that the advertisers are buying on you need to make everyone happy somehow so you need to listen to both you need to understand both you need to make really tough choices in this like Balancing Act of actually getting it to work and so I had a lot of sympathy for that and they eventually made it out the other side but it was like when we had that meeting we actually like talked to them they listen I remember a Creator standing up and being like hey Susan why don't we just say screw all the advertisers because they need you right like it's YouTube if they want to spend money on TV ads and billboards fine but they'll be back right and Susan kind of had to go like yes but also we really want this to work well like we don't want to just go screw you guys and then have them come crawling back to us we want to maintain good relationships with them and like keep it going it's an ecosystem Elon did and they did not come crawling back yeah not yet anyway right so it's a tough spot yeah we see the stuff and YouTube does put in all this effort to to not only help creators but advertisers at the same time I just don't see that anywhere else maybe I'm missing it but like I feel like that's a pretty important thing it's also not to say that YouTube doesn't have some issues like there are plenty of small creators and like music licensing and copyright stuff is like there are definitely some issues there but like I do ultimately think in a lot of facing a lot of tough decisions they generally did a good way to benefit both because like you said they can take it and say screw the advertisers but the whole thing that stunk about adpocalypse is creators not getting paid so if you screw the advertisers they're deaf you're still not getting paid because there's no advertisers so like it's to help the creators as well that's paying their creators yeah yeah YouTube said I'll just one more thing YouTube's had like problems like as you mentioned I make videos and and talk about the problems on YouTube because I know they're listening I if there's one thing I can guarantee is when I make the dear YouTube video when they had like the problem with uh dislike the comment spam remember that that whole phase where there'd just be comments under every video impersonating us I made a video about that within hours I'm talking to the head of product who's in charge of that and they actually kind of did a really good job with that they added tools for that it's you know spammers are constantly working against those tools but that was one thing uh getting rid of the dislike button I also talked about how that was a terrible idea here we are I still disagree with the decision but it's like they had to appease the other side of that too which is Advertiser so there's it's a balancing act go ahead yeah I wanted to say that like unlike Instagram who all these tech companies when they see a new trend that is incredibly popular they try to just jump on like that Trend and try to make it a core part of their product and Facebook and Instagram have done that with everything that has come out uh Instagram stories copied Snapchat and now reels is copying Tick Tock but where Instagram pivoted their entire platform to being about uh Instagram reels yeah reals uh Facebook not Facebook YouTube shorts they're integrating it and they're encouraging people to use it but they're not destroying the core product while integrating it yeah like they're trying to make it like a cohesive addition that is useful that will get you like more visibility and all these things and eventually will become monetizable and all this stuff but the core reason that people still use YouTube is YouTube and they're not going to like throw away long form videos just to do short form yeah yeah these are all like balanced long-term health of the platform decisions that have to be made by then and the new CEO by the way Neil is going to get all the same blames for all the things that go wrong and all the decisions that happen so like welcome Neil I want to come back and talk about it uh whereas like the Adam Nazir what is his name on Instagram yeah he like he just puts on this mask of like where we hear you but we just don't care I he's maybe one of the most best he's one of the next best because he at least communicates new upcoming features in a way that if you're a Creator and you follow him you get value from that and you feel like you're you're getting something out of it even though it's just a public post but yeah I feel like it just feels like they they don't really care about create it would be nicer if it was a dialogue instead of just a post yeah right so yeah yeah there is there's something something there for YouTube uh I'm gonna keep making YouTube videos I don't know if anything's gonna change too dramatically with the change in leadership but we'll see we'll see hey I won't take our job yeah not yet anyway yeah it's all also just sad to see um like women in Tech in these big positions leaving essentially like they're good Role Models essentially and we need more of it and Neil is going to do great there's nothing against that it's just anytime you see a woman in Tech in a big position she's been at Google for since the beginning like literally her garage like Garage Days like that's that's part of it yeah that's what I read I was confused she was she let them start it in her garage and then got hired a year later as the 16th yeah I believe she was renting it out to them yeah garage literally her girl Google kind of sick small Flex yeah he's been around also the fact that she owned a home in like Menlo Park or whatever yeah those garages now when you see you like drive through like Cupertino and you just see like all the houses where it's like oh yeah yeah like apple was in one of those garages and they look on zilly you're like damn yeah it's like a falling apart Shack and it's like six million dollars it's crazy it's crazy town it probably wasn't always like that but it was kind of always like that yeah yeah okay Twitter also did some stuff uh Twitter where wait I guess we'll just do the big thing because sweaters always doing stuff but I think the thing that most people uh noticed was that if you had SMS two-factor authentication set up on your account and you are not a Twitter blue paying subscriber that you literally did you get this you got like a dialog box pop up didn't because I use an authenticator app okay so if you had SMS you got a dialog box that popped up and said you're gonna have to turn this off because this is becoming a paid Twitter blue feature which I will stand by this if you offer something for free and then you turn it into a paid feature the internet will Revolt period it's just gonna happen you can't take something free and make it paid so they're doing that the internet's revolted but there also is this little sub dialogue which is also like you probably shouldn't use SMS specifically to factor we use an authenticator app um and I actually switched my authenticator app by seeing all the dialogue around Google Authenticator and how there's no backups and I switched to authy but I lost everything yeah so like uh I switched phones a lot and if I ever like accidentally get rid of some stuff on one phone I just lost all my two-factor which would be rough yeah so I switched authenticator apps but the point is if you use SMS two factor I would advise you to switch to a authenticator app because number one it's free and you don't have to pay Twitter for it and number two you're a little bit more secure because theoretically SMS two factor is a little more vulnerable to uh fishing attacks man in the middle attacks going calling your carrier pretending to be you getting your sim deactivated stuff like that um the irony of this is that Jack Dorsey had his account hacked via a SMS two-factor authentication hack like three years ago they should have just disabled the feature if it's so insecure Why move it behind a paywall yeah it's the most insecure feature and they moved it behind a pale it makes it feel like it's the more premium version by putting it behind a paywall yeah it's just because it's easier I think I think it is because it's easier but also like are we not this the new uh owner of Twitter constantly is saying that they want to prevent all these like scams and Bots and everything but now you're moving a security update away from people unless you pay for it to now potentially get have those be because there's a lot of people who had SMS that rather than download an authenticator are just gonna run non-2-factor they're just gonna go oh I don't want to subscribe to Twitter blue I guess I'm turning off two Factor now yep yeah just like I don't understand that and now if those people's accounts are more easily compromised they're running easier scams yes I just don't get this is just such a yeah my argument is stupid Please push people to use an authenticator app like it's it's technically like if you go all the way dig into the settings and you see that checkbox and then you see the app is like recommended in parentheses then that's better I guess but like that dialog box had it like in fine print at the bottom I would like people to just immediately switch from SMS to factor to an authenticator app and that be the thing that happens here but we're probably not going to have much of that happening so that's my advice please the irony 2 is that a lot of the accounts that pay for Twitter blue are probably going to be like the really big celebrities and stuff who need their accounts to be verified and if they're the only ones that have access to a less secure security format it's like not ideal there's just not a lot of sense being made I just don't get it the logic doesn't stay in one direction there's this isn't pushing more people to Blue it's not worth the pr that they've gotten from this I just don't really get Twitter blue subscribers are like pathetic aren't they it's like under 200 000 I think a reason oh okay oh and as you will someone wants to clip that enjoy it but no no no no I mean the number of Twitter blue subscribers pathetic yeah remember for sure it's very small so the idea this is a head scratcher I mean it's rule number one for me it's wrong number one uh but the other thing that we also saw happen was the head of meta uh his name is Mark Zuckerberg he added a feature called meta verified let me know if you've heard this before uh a subscription service that lets you verify your account with a government ID get a blue badge and it's 12 a month on the web or 14.99 a month on iOS oh my God does this ring any any I think you weren't allowed to say that what like out loud like it is less expensive somewhere that doesn't what you're not allowed to do is give people a button in the app on the phone to leave to pay on the web okay yeah but you can yeah in your announcements say whatever you want yeah they're taking a 30 cut I assume this is also on Android there's the same 30 cut so it will cost thirty percent more to subscribe from one of those platforms um I guess the the nice thing about this I know they're kind of just copying Twitter blue but the nice thing about this is it is a little bit more than just a verified badge just a little bit just a little bit I'll read what it is uh you get the blue badge to be verified you use your government ID so it's it's got to be you um it also gets you extra impersonation protection like monitoring so you will have there will be some service that keeps track of if you get impersonated and will actively take down impersonators cool that's handy that's nice um you get direct access to a customer support chat feature and uh it's kind of also like boosting your your posts you get you get uh oh really yeah according to Adam a series video that he also tweeted about this you in Instagram anyway gets sort of an algorithmic priority if you are a subscriber uh if you're like Facebook's been they've been pay to play Forever like it's not shocking that they would do that but yeah that's the thing interesting can we start this out by how this announcement was made because I feel like we're not talking about it and it just seems wild to me like this like channel it's like weird do because there's something posted before does everyone who's verified just have this weird like channel that it it also is at the bottom says never miss an update from Zuck all lowercase only Zuck can message but you can read react and vote and pull yeah because I did not get this message good question so to rewind a little bit there's a new feature called uh broadcast channels on Instagram so on Instagram you can post already you can put videos out you can put stories out and you know how you can message people on Instagram you can have a message thread from you broadcast to all your followers but no one else can reply oh and so that's what this is so Zuck is using that's his username is using this beta broadcast channels feature to announce I am in this thing I guess there's 360 000 people in here maybe it's just verified people I don't know but people no I'm not verified do you guys follow it I don't know what the rule is for who's in this do you follow him yeah so he sent it out to his followers I bet oh but he has like millions and millions oh I'm sure I I'm sure there's a lot of them I haven't looked at like the group it's probably probably like secondary inbox or whatever so yeah so he's using this like broadcast feature and it's kind of like maybe that is a cool feature like if you do a lot of like really big text posts or if you're like a let's say you're a a product reviewer and you do a lot of like product reviews in your captions of images but you want like to just like add updates or like talk about your merch or something small like that you can do this with a text post to all your followers and I can message cool I actually think that's cool it's a cool feature is an additional communication method for creators and he's using it in this example to tell us about his new feature I thought he just sent it to all the like verified people which I thought was really weird oh no yes everybody everybody get get subscribing everybody I don't know yeah I think my one thing you mentioned here the extra step of verification through the ID badge is something that I've been super interested about if Twitter ever goes that route because it's like that is the one thing that that does make the verification of being a real person way more yeah on point yeah I just don't know how many people want to actually post their government ID to social media to meta or Twitter honestly like I think a lot of the people I think a lot of people on Twitter right now in that scenario are not people who like posting their public uh identification does Twitter actually verify that you're a human when you sign up for blue no that's what something they've said there that's like the annoying thing about it being called verified because you're not you're just paying them verified you're yeah I believe they said that because you're entering in like a credit card or debit card they're relying on the banks yeah that is so stupid it's less secure than your actual you can create so many fake like credit card numbers yeah like didn't that twitch streamers fish just like spend all of his credit card money on the Nintendo eShop recently Twitter blue verified okay someone pull up this headline real quick to make sure I'm getting ready there was a twitch streamer who wrote like a API that lets his goldfish play switch games just by swimming around the tank fish play Pokemon Violet and do some shopping on the eShop yeah and it spent like oh my God and that's a fish that's so funny credit card fraud from her mishap spending money in theory this fish could have signed up for Twitter Bloom and verified as a human yeah as the twitch streamer Elon just saying man that is amazing yeah government ID Fish don't get I don't think fish get good ideas so that yeah so you could argue you're getting a little more out of the meta subscription product meta verified I still think it's stupid I agree yeah but this is slightly less stupid it is totally pay to play I mean like to be fair if you're getting I don't even want to say this but like if you are boosting posts like some people might find that worth the money I just hate that that's what this social media is I think I still use Instagram mostly as a place where I feel like I'm more interacting with my like in like real life friends and like people I've known for a while where I am posting my profiles public but yeah I don't know most of the people that like my post on Instagram there's a difference between like and who I interact with so like the stories and messages that I'm doing all feel like my home friends but my profile is public because I like showing up what we do here and stuff like that um I don't know what's annoying to me is kind of that Facebook and Instagram you're kind of agreeing to this thing that they're going to take your data and make money off of you that way yeah and it's like okay yeah but now I'm paying for you to take my data right and like it's fine like I'm one of those people that I don't mind as much in a weird way because I do get better ads that way and like my Instagram experience is better that way yeah but now I'm paying for it yeah yeah at the same time this is a conversation we were sort of thinking about with like the fact that Netflix started this kickoff of unlimited recurrent Revenue where they have a subscription model and everything started moving towards subscription models and we've been talking for like a couple of years now about like how can we make it so companies can stop taking our data because that's how they make money on us the products are free because you are the product you subsidize yeah but the only way that they could make money otherwise is if you pay them but now they want both which seems really they want to scale up all the money yeah yeah this is like the the the peak of this subscription age yeah like we talk about the iPhone all the time like the iPhone is one of the most successful products of all time and it's grown every year but it's slowing in its growth and it's kind of saturated and so now apples Apple needs the chart to keep going up Tim Cook's like let's get this truck going up so what happens they find a way to charge everyone with an iPhone a recurring amount over and over and trying to upsell you apple one apple storage Apple all this stuff and so now they make a ton of money on that too yeah so on the back of the iPhone way more money you're just gonna keep going yeah until you're spending 12 bucks a month for heat it's using your BMW well you gotta say something I I just was gonna repeat like it's funny that we have been talking about oh how can we get rid of like these companies taking our data at least somebody's taking our data and in the end we weren't and we were just going to pay them more like it's just I think versus the Apple situation is like people paying for subscriptions are the everyday users of that where this The Meta and the Twitter ones would you agree seem far more focused on the creators that they're looking to make the money from because it's just a subset that wants verification yeah like I know there are people who want verification but still like look at the Twitter blue numbers at is like 180 000. I can't imagine the meta numbers are gonna be there's a ton of creators on Instagram and yeah there are people who make a living they will get this but that's such a small subset and you're just now charging the people that are making your platform popular so you're getting very small feedback from that kind of screwing over the people that are driving a lot of traffic to you and you're just making a an abysmal amount of money in comparison to the rest I guess the there's like this magic rule of like when you have a subscription version and a free version It's usually around 10 give or take that will subscribe and when you make the subscription version more expensive you make it a worse experience for them but the the masses that are not subscribing that have their experience unchanged will be perfectly happy and so you kind of have to weigh like where do we get this money from by charging the 90 and ruining all of their experiences or by charging the 10 and keeping the 90 happy but making more money it's optional too I just feel like that amount of money is like a drop in the pan for these two companies that are huge if only meta like created a really cool 1500 product that would totally change the way businesses uh these days but they would be rolling and muncher would they be though um oh they could be if anyone cares there's also been this in like the business world there's been this conversation that's being had recently about the value that creators get from the services that they use on these platforms versus like the fact that they don't pay for them well they pay for them with their data I think a lot of people have been being like well you know if I'm an Instagram influencer with like 5 million followers and I make one post and it literally tangibly directly influences the amount of money that I'm making paying 12 a month is like literally nothing it's a no-brainer and you are still getting more value as a Creator who is yeah for sure I think it's just like everyone got used to this ad model this like data model and now that they're like yeah you should probably pass a little bit to be able to make money it's kind of a weird like you got to pay money to make money things so I would argue though it's less of if you're the Instagram if you're the influencer with five million followers it's not that you're only getting um like you're not only paying them with your data you're paying them with your data and the data of 5 million other people that are following you so you are more than that's very back what it is I think these people are driving traffic to these sites that are making the money off of data and like these are multi-billion and charge them 12 bucks multi-billion dollar companies I can't really send for them yeah so I didn't think you were I just think like there is way more like yeah yeah it's a good point that's good yeah it's also if you are the Instagram account for the 5 million followers are you driving people to Instagram or are you driving people to content once they're already on Instagram you're still keeping it yeah yeah yeah I don't know I think they're making these companies money and now the companies are just charging them asking for more like you said most of them will be fine but I think the people who won't care about 12 bucks are I mean Twitter blue is yeah you said mostly 10 people will subscribe at most it's like 0.02 of Twitter users this is the CEO decision it's like how do you keep the chart going up Susan would know how do you make this well YouTube premium is a thing and people pay for it but that's just like that's right it's for the user but it's the same Magic 10 and it's those people are getting ad-free YouTube and some extra features but see that's the thing like this is the thing like this is the model that everyone was like if you don't want your data if you don't want the ads if you don't want this you pay us money like this has been the model for a long time of ads run the internet and if you don't want the ads give us a few bucks a month and that's like what everyone has kind of been thinking of and now it's like uh we're gonna take your data and you're gonna have ads on Instagram and you're gonna pay us 12 a month think about the amount of ads you get on Instagram and you're still paying 12 a month for this verified service if this got rid of your ads then that would be more worth it would you pay 10 bucks a month on Instagram for no ads no this is going to be a subset that might do this I don't know it's it is annoying though if I'm looking through stories yeah I get two stories from people I know and then there's two ads always two ads and then two more stories oh my God yeah yeah that's what makes it such a terrible service it's literally half ads Instagram ads are really good I've bought so much crap I think I'm like Vegas ads on Instagram might just make me feel better I'll pay them 12 bucks to keypads on live I did buy uh a jacket and pants from Instagram that's the only thing I've ever bought from Instagram ad they're pretty good I almost bought a cat sweatshirt but the comment said that it took like 20 weeks to show up so I said nevermind overseas shipping maybe it was a really cute cat on the sweatshirt see they only get those worth stealing all of your information I would never have gotten that ad but they found you with that I did and that's that's just because I got that sort of data I did screenshot it for later see I mean that's a lot of smarts but also a lot of data Fair touche if you made it this far on the podcast thank you we're going off the rails Alice you had this this theory that I really like well we have to talk about one more feature before we get to Alice's Theory right which is that Instagram's also allowing picture Rook wise oh I just saw this yeah you have it on your yeah it's on your page yeah as of like two days ago uh my comment section is way more vibrant there's way more stuff happening in my comment section like Tumblr yeah like I posted something uh I posted a reel actually and I was like oh it's not really getting that much traction but why does it have 350 comments and I opened it and it's just gifs the whole thing image image image did you just say gifs I said it yeah I said it on the podcast I said I heard nothing wrong with that what are you guys talking about yes of them Alice tiebreaker as long as you're enunciation yeah gif you can say it yes I've always I'm I'm not gonna I've always been a gif person it's okay to be wrong it's not drafted because my phone trivia question over and over again I think the Creator tell me why pronounces it like that but he was wrong tell me why though like why is it Jeff I don't know why it just is because because of what Angie said the Creator said it's Jeff I mean that's a pretty good rule that's a great if you invented the name you kind of get to choose how it's said Mark has listens to creators yeah I respect the creation the creative process I respect anyway the comments section is insane now because it's just constant like nobody leaves comment or buys anymore because the images get voted to the top and now it's just rainbows and unicorns everywhere that's crazy I hate gifs they're everywhere just saying but those pictures yeah Ellis can you just explain to this I want you to explain it on the Pod because you started yesterday and it was awesome okay so if you're like me and you hang out in Wikipedia circles on the internet you essentially like like if you're a meta user there's cool freaks Wikipedia Club if you're on Instagram there's depth of Wikipedia there's lots of these like Wikipedia centered communities I did not know this anyway if you're in them long enough you realize that there's a lot of reposts um yeah like like there's only so many really cool Wikipedia pages one of the ones that gets reposted all the time is this like biological Theory it's not my theory um it's called carsonization and it's this idea that crab adjacent species like lobsters and hermit crabs generally evolve towards becoming a crab and lots of animals that don't exhibit crab-like features converge biologically on the crab format because it's just advantageous in a lot of ways to be a crowd and so yesterday when Marquez was like crab Brave yeah because that's what they're raving about being Superior what and um so when Mark has you know turned around was like yo check it out there's there's uh you're checking out there's pictures of Instagram now I was like oh my God it's like the crab thing it's like all social media platforms just slowly become Tumblr yeah I was gonna say what's the crab tumblers tumblers tumblers I don't know if there is like you know an exact crap I don't even know if it's actually Tumblr we were talking yesterday about it looking a lot like Tumblr yeah um I do think I've also never had a tumbler so I don't even know me neither but I didn't really have one either I think that as social media tries to become more personalized because there was like finstagrams for a long time and there still are but like a lot of a lot of different social media now is trying to like come back to the roots of just having your friends and having it be more literally social with the people that you know uh they probably all converge towards Tumblr because that's more what Tumblr was about Tumblr was like you and your friends and there were there were tumblers that were popular that people just followed in general but it was it was more for you and your friends isn't that how all social media starts before it goes mainstream yeah because this is the sine wave right Everything is Everything is a trend wave of of a sine wave yeah Facebook was like just you and your friends from school yeah and all the brands showed up yeah and now you left because even your parents are there and so you went to Instagram for all your friends yeah and then the reels and all your Brands showed up yeah there was an in-between though like I don't know if like there was a a year or two maybe even like three where the brands hadn't showed up yet but celebrities had and they didn't understand exactly like have you seen any of Vin Diesel's like 2011 Facebook uploads yes that's like but that's that's like pure I still like that because that seems like they're trying to be one of us like genuinely genuinely trying instead of just like I am here to monetize yeah it's like them kind of you're hanging out I don't know that's weird but then like yeah you see like the early days of YouTube it's like here's me at the zoo here's like a five second video of of me my golf swing and then yeah suddenly we're here yeah you know it's like the sine wave of social media so yeah Instagram comment section going through the same sine wave yeah it's just everything is crab Rave crab boy yeah I like it yeah it's like influencers and then and then your friends and then influencers and then your friends and then companies pay your friends to sell you stuff oh God hashtag parade and then the kiss of death is when your parents show up is that the is that how it goes thank God my parents are like the most Boomer type Boomers my mom follows all of you guys on every single media platform everybody will listen to this if everyone wants to say hi to subscribe to on YouTube is that oh yeah she's on YouTube on Instagram on Twitter she follows hi Andrew's Mom hello she'll love that that's amazing so my parents Facebook is the internet they won't they don't even know how to Google things oh I know it reminds me of like the old AOL like where you had to dial up into it and you you were inside the browser and that's where your chat was and everything like yeah you that was the internet yeah it's crazy that's a subset of the internet aol's the crab we're all going back okay we really need to do ad breaking trivia Carson is carsonization [Music] spell carsonization that's not the trivia question all right so trivia time you guys I'm gonna let you guys choose do you want a tech trivia question or a science trivia question not Hmong being but no agriculture all right so the science question is okay the crab theory that Ellis just spoke about no is an example of what kind of evolution here are some other examples okay so the next question second question no so then give me one example give me one example of convergent evolution crabs other than crabs other than crap other than crabs not monkeyization okay it could be a bonus question screw it yeah yeah Tech question why did Amazon name the assistant Alexa we'll see you guys after the break support for today's show comes from ZocDoc so you know that I'm staring at screens doing reviews for a large portion of my day uh it's what I do not just because of my job because I generally enjoy it too but like you I'm also wearing my headphones or earbuds all day too so sometimes I wonder what this is doing to my eyes and ears maybe I should 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that they're currently enjoying or I even throughout if you're really not enjoying it maybe something that doesn't meet expectations but you know I thought we'd just do a little update on maybe some things where we're using these days that we don't talk about shout out roundabout I was like I've never heard of that product uh doing it first I thought you're talking about like that spray that kills bugs like Roundup off no no no no yeah yeah I think off is another one is that what you want to talk about today yes uh do you want to go first I did steal some Roundup from my Cafe and used it in my apartment well I didn't steal it somebody else stole it and put it but too far let's start over so we just have to keep going sorry just plow right through it I did it yeah okay yeah okay so um the piece of tech that I've been enjoying because I have not bought anything in like 17 years um I it's a piece of software it's called Arc browser um you may have heard of it recently in the Tech Community yeah so yeah it's called Arc browser um it is a browser that basically is made for people who are really bad at tab management like me um you're really good at it well I'm actually quite good at it yes yes but uh it has a lot of it has honestly a ton of different features that I don't even fully utilize um but the main feature is that you have a bunch of pinned tabs that are here that never really go away okay and what's cool about them too is that you can like you can peek into them and like access things directly depending on the uh the app that it is or the website that it is so live preview yeah that was a live preview like his top emails or yeah my top emails you can also like yeah like in my email and I don't know we can maybe figure something out later about changing this but um I don't have it updated sorry but if if you if you jump to a different email account it doesn't open a new tab it just creates like a little sub thing here and you can just pick which one you want to be on it at a time but the main like the the main features that's useful for me is it creates all of these tabs here and within a certain amount of time it erases them so I have it set for 12 hours so you can pin tabs you can create a like a tab group that is say like a folder so if I'm working on a specific research project it's a group of tabs that are within this folder and you can have subfolders and all this stuff that make sure they never go away and they'll sync across all of your computers that you're using Arc on which is really nice so everything is synced but then all the stuff that you're just like looking at for that day that you don't need to keep will disappear within like 12 hours there's also all these other features where like all of your downloads are right here it's really nice which is really handy because you can just like drop them into areas if you need to like drag and drop you've got like your picture library your screenshots your downloads are right here recents um this is folders on your desktop so you don't even have to really access your desktop you can just like do your desktop management within the browser and then there's like an easel feature where you can like create easels and no notes which I don't even really understand this feature that much um but yeah the new Peak feature that they just added is really cool because it makes it so like when you click on when you click on something it creates like a sub tab that floats on top of it yeah so if you're on a Twitter link for example this isn't updated but if you're on a Twitter link and you click a link on Twitter it'll create like a mini Arc in front of it that has the link open and there's a button for like do you want to expand it to the whole page or do you just want to like get rid of it so it never even creates a real tab yeah it's really useful there's there's just like a lot of different cool features and I haven't not even really scraped the surface of this yet all it's missing is a chatbot but they they make major version updates to this like every three days like they put like huge amounts of work into this and they're like really pressing it and I've switched over to it on pretty much all of my computers um yeah I was gonna say what platforms is it right now it's only Mac OS but they have a they're building a Windows version right now um and they're also building a mobile version the mobile version 2 you can follow them on Tick Tock and the developers and stuff will like give you updates in real time like every couple days yeah yeah they're very like transparent about everything that they do and I just feel like it's a it's a kind of new take on the browser that I really appreciate they should hire you because I only see like seven tabs open and the fact that I can see you with only seven tabs means that this thing is working we started doing the podcast an hour after we got in which means I have opened at least seven tabs since we got in and they will be erased by the time I leave today I think that's a huge win yeah and perfect proof of concept yeah so yeah is this one of those things that's eventually going to get eaten by a major existing browser or can they survive and make something I was wondering that too I don't think so I don't think so there's enough uniqueness here that I think it could be its own thing yeah I think I was telling I think I was telling David this I think this is what like Chromebooks could have been yeah if it was like this powerful yeah it's and the company that's making it's called the browser company great name yeah by the browser company desktop which is very cool is it free it's free cool that's awesome I think it's niche enough that like I don't know if Chrome would benefit fully taking over it because like I just mean like stealing unprotected features yeah like anyway yeah there's like way more in it that I even know how to use but just the tab management thing is really useful for me and I have like a bunch of research uh groups and you can also create these new folder new space like spaces too so you could have a workspace so that all of your like pinned tabs and also your tab groups and your folders and stuff are just for work and you can just switch to your like personal space and it has all your home stuff on it nice yeah it's really cool it looks really nice I think a lot of people in the office are using it right now yeah three or four yeah me Adam Alex at least are using it so nice yeah it's taking it it's it it's like a big deal for something to like take over a software application that I've been using for an extended browser usually I like want to try everything and I try everything for like 10 minutes I'm like no I don't like I need this to be multi-platform before I can dedicate my life to it yeah wait do you use Windows at all no but I need it on my phone so I can like have that sync back and forth but yeah just just having like having the same browser everywhere is yeah pretty important for yeah bookmarks I don't do that I think they'll have the mobile version out in a couple months so cool yeah nice cool who wants to go next Who's Next you go next okay I'm using a new smart watch I'm wearing it the whole time I I have actually also I thought David was gonna do a camera because I just realized he has a camera oh I just forgot to take this off before we okay I was on a walk this morning and I literally just forgot to take it off how long ago was that walk it was a two-hour walk you've had a camera on the entire time yeah I kind of dig it thanks must not be too heavy I just looked down at one point I was like David has a camera is he taking pictures I can't even see the camera I just usually have cameras I guess I'm more surprised I've never seen you wearing a camera on the bus because I remember to take it off anyways I'm wearing a new smart watch um and I kind of wanted to see what you guys thought of it first impressions because this is a Garmin which I've used before I've used many different garments before but I think everyone knows that I use a ton of different watches and try them and then like them and then don't like them anymore so we're trying a new Garmin this is I think their second one with an AMOLED screen though so this screen should be way nicer than most of the other garments which model is it the Garmin epics Gen 2 um it is a very expensive model for this yet yeah this has been out for a while okay um I just like recently got it and I'm loving it so far but uh it's a thick boy it's big I'm holding it up I'm putting it next to my Apple watch just to confirm it is indeed a thick boy but it's not that much bigger than the Apple watch yeah no it's not this wouldn't be out of that League at all it is a nice round form factor I like that nice watch band too uh that's a knock that's typical knockoff so it is 0.1 millimeters thicker than the Apple watch 13.5 versus 14 points but like this screen is looking nicer than uh previous Garmin screens so I'm enjoying that so far it does look really good I have to say I'm using zero battery saving options and I'm getting like five to six days of battery life and that's with like hiking GPS uh different like compasses and stuff like that and I I've really been enjoying I think right now my favorite thing is all the customizations you can do in the workouts because you can change all the screens up to kind of however you want so if I go to like my hike one right now the data entry that it shows and I customized all of this so I have on the top of it a compass that's always showing which direction I'm going I have my distance my elevation timer time of day and then a heart rate sensor at the bottom and then I can also switch through with elevation levels like all of this is customizable I think it all looks really nice I'm super excited and I just booked a trip to the Tetons in Yellowstone in July and I cannot wait climbs to use this yeah nice yeah so what is the price officially I think it's like 8.99 dang all right it is Apple watch Ultra who wants to go next so mine is the Fujifilm x100s camera uh this camera literally came out 10 years ago it came out in 2013 I believe yeah it's I think it's yours it's it was wonderful it was around the studio it was just hanging out we were using it as a proper black one yeah I think we lost the charger for that yeah yeah I had to get a different charger yeah okay but yeah we just had it around and then I was going on vacation recently to Columbia and I was like I'm just gonna like bring this one along because if it breaks I know it's not that expensive to replace or something yeah on eBay Ellis just looked it up the cheapest one we found is 374 with chargers and batteries and everything so it's like pretty cheap dude but I'm just gonna say like so right now the x100v has been super viral on Tick Tock in the last like six months which is ironic because this came out almost three years ago well that's the one I wanted but it's impossible to yeah just in the last three months this has been going insanely viral you could buy that camera that s for like a hundred and thirty dollars like six months ago yeah it's crazy triple the price because it's a great camera it's still so good yeah I took it around walking around Columbia in pictures it was fantastic and it take it took great pictures like for a aps-c sensor I believe right yeah it's really clean and it's a excellent fixed lens yeah Prime yeah um yeah 23 millimeters yeah that's why I didn't like it so it's a 35 millimeter equivalent okay which is fantastic it's a nice little versatile yeah yeah yeah yeah so I really enjoyed it walking around Columbia and just taking pictures and like I showed it to my girlfriend we were out there because I was like taking pictures of her and her family and things like that and she was looking at the pictures she's like I really like this camera and she's like not a camera person that's the best endorsement yeah by the way if someone like isn't really into cameras but they're just like I like the pictures yeah oh that's a huge yeah and it's again 10 years old that's why the X100 has been going viral on Tick Tock recently because Fujifilm has always had the film simulations yeah that make the images look like film and uh and that's our Mains are like wait I can take a photo and it just looks good straight out of camera yeah what was the Fujifilm you set up for me when I took to Yosemite the x100b that was that yeah that was really I just also like the form factor of it being nice and light yeah and just like being able to take it and throw it in a backpack or around your neck that doesn't like not dragging around an A7 or an R5 and RF lenses like it's so much easier and more fun for travel cameras the X100 series are awesome yeah and you can buy the original one too it's like it'll be slower and the autofocus kind of sucks but like whatever yeah the autofocus was not great on this but I rarely use autofocus anyway so it was fun yeah it's gonna be cooler and better than your phone so yeah bye fun nice all right so I have been really enjoying an app for my iPad called staffpad um it's really expensive for an app which makes it a scary purchase it's ninety dollars um and that's before any in-app purchases oh my God what uh in-app purchases go anywhere from like 80 to 300 oh my you're really gonna have to sell us on this one so like and what's freaky about it is because it's the app like there's no trials there's no there's no refunds like dang you're in it once you're in it um but what staffpad is is it's a music notation software and it's the anti-music notation software um if anyone has ever used any of these programs before they are the biggest sufferers of like bloat of any software idiom um or then Chrome yeah no every single one has a completely unusable toolbar because it's just so stuffed with stuff there's no point um so this is like the exact opposite of that like when you open the program it gives you a blank non-paginated Stave and you just write with the pencil yeah I I mean I really need some experience what's going on here so um a traditional music score for anyone that's ever Mark has played trombone actually I and David Jones music so when you when you have a sheet of music right like it's on a page and then when you're finished reading that page you flip to the next page so all of these music notation softwares also operate with Pages like you write in a page like a Word document and the next one is a page but a lot of music happens outside of you know music notation now and when you open a program like logic or GarageBand or Pro Tools there's no Pages it's just an endless timeline and that is the philosophy that this works with and I it's funny I was talking with hayato about it and he was like when I mentioned that it was paginated just means in Pages as opposed to oh endless crabinated yeah he was like he was like it's funny that that's like one of the last vestiges of skeuomorphism yeah like leave yeah iOS design is right is pagination anyway so it's this really cool app that prioritizes like handwriting recognition and speed and if you're trying to like make something that you can take to an orchestra and it's the most beautiful looking score ever you're probably not going to be able to get it done in this but if you're on the subway and you have 45 minutes and you have a musical idea in your head it is unbelievably fun to just like sit there and write music with your hand like in your own handwriting hit play and then hear it played back to you it's like in the in the b-roll there'll be some like examples I was gonna say I'm gonna need to see this sounds like magic also you want to I mean you want a live demonstration a little bit you're just describing it I was like in my head I was like it would be so cool but Ellis would probably think this is stupid if you could write the music and then it would play it I was like that would be insane and then that's what I want to be able to like hum or sing something to it and then have it like notate it and then also be able to play it all right so I have staff pad open okay I'm going to add an instrument in this case why don't we say it is a harmonica uh uh alto sax do I don't know if I have a harmonica how what's the you just do guitar purchase for our harmonica we have Alpha sex so then it opens this endless Stave single Stave yeah and then I go in and I'll write some stuff what are you writing I'm going to write a G Major scale do you write it directly on The Stave so I've written four eighth notes right you can't see you're so far I can see it and then I hit the next bar I have good eyes and it converts it into real written notes and then when I hit play let me make sure my volume's okay then when I hit play [Music] there you go magic and it can do anything okay um how did you write the notes you have to know how to write with this apple pencil with my Apple I wrote them just as you would write just tap no no you you write like the same way you would write it you wrote G Major scale so I I then I wrote a note for that yeah I wrote an I wrote four eighth notes ascending oh it's like how in the text box you can write letters and then it just goes OCR and just turns yeah it's like that but for music notes okay the music note a quick one of scribble you know another thing that I never realized doing this is like like there are certain musical symbols like a quarter note rest um that I just always know that one well I just always written it as a squiggle like I've always just gone specific shape it's a very specific I remember that much from playing trumpet yeah yeah it's hard yeah anyway drum didn't have notes of I guess you know we didn't but rests yeah anyway so if you like music and you're rich like me buy staff I like this app because it was actually originally developed for Windows Surface or Microsoft Surface and then it just functioned so much better on iPad they're like this is an iPad app ever again oh my God uh OCR is object or sorry optical character recognition so it's like it's super Advanced yeah specific version of OCR it's pretty sick it's pretty sick damn um while you guys are talking I thought of two oh is one of them OCR is that no no actually what uh it could be so the two I have are one I just got the anchor 744 747 charger um it's just like a normal charger it's a smaller version of a 150 watt charger like charges a laptop super fast it has three USBC ports and one USB a the usba is kind of slow but like whatever it's just a nice convenient weight savings for my backpack because I could carry my charger everywhere um and you know that little like rubber thing that we have with suction cups on it yeah wait what is that look at this it's to yeah oh my God that makes so much more sense yeah it comes with it right it comes with it and it's to plug it into the wall and to like hold it stably so if you have like three or four things plugged into it or also like you describe the object for the audio folks yeah it's like a it's like a rectangular um rubber mount mount like a frame basically and it's got suction cups on one side and so you use it to frame the charger when it's plugged into the wall so that when you wiggle a cable out of it it doesn't pull that out of the wall too but um uh also like if you're at an airport and it's a outlet that's probably been used a thousand times and when it has that like bottom weight on it if you plug it into a really loose Outlet it'll kind of start falling forward so that like keeps it in so that's what this is that's take it with you wherever you want we just throw it against the glass window all the time yes but now it's a great suction cup mount so there's that uh I think it's about what 100 bucks 109 uh and the other one that I came up with I'm already forgetting what I was oh you mentioned you want to be able to hum something yeah and it would just know yeah uh there's an app that I learned when I was going into no no I've never gotten SoundHound to work ever I got it to work one time and that was good enough I remember this way do you have it on right now I have it you can theoretically hum something else you can do it into Google Assistant as well so what are you gonna hum I haven't tried that you guys can guess and then also okay okay what do I do do I just hit the big SoundHound logo [Music] [Laughter] ha ha ha ha um oh it just said are you singing or humming I it got it it got it yeah it says blue daba d right at the top It also says the chicken dance you can do this with Google though but the first one is blue you know this is the Google oh that Google thought it was the chicken okay like ready ready search a song dude nice that was way cooler way better animation all right but but I do want to say sound out I apologize clearly I was using a previous or maybe my voice or I don't know my homing was horrible also so like I got that it took me a while to get what you were humbling I think I shouldn't have hummed I should have done it like how David oh guys it's time to be real ready oh okay sorry I just started using this I don't know how to be real it's up to David there we go all right it happened hey what a smile it says nice you guys got to see the be real live live uh well I think that's where we'll end it we do need to try to figure out what these trivia answers were I'm having a feeling I'm not gonna get any of these right but we'll try anyway I can I grab one of those please what do you need uh yeah you got it you know this first question it may seem difficult you got a 50 shot you know I think I think we're going into this feeling good we are yeah okay so in 2021 were there more baby girls named Siri or baby boys named Anakin we're writing the name that we think is there's more of there's more in 20 in 2021 you can either say like boys or you can say the name foreign I said Anakin that is correct oh man I guess everyone I said Siri sorry I said boys look how Mark has spelled Anakin though I don't know how to spell Anakin Annie can okay I'm glad you said that because there were way okay I couldn't you know exact numbers I don't know they're every Source I found said there were way more anakins like like incomparably more anakins than series however if you misspell Anakin there's still double digits damn really wow yeah how did you spell it a-n-i-k-a-n hmm probably just the simplest way I could think of it what can Annie do anything I assume you can a lot of people would have named Star Wars based but hated I think by 2021 like Syria as a name gets a bad rep but Anakin might be a little cooler because it's like Star Wars are we do we like according episode one now that I loved episode one really yeah I thought everyone hated episode one it's got sand and it gets everywhere that's episode one right I don't want to go anywhere because it says that as a young adult while trying to court princess wow I haven't seen it yet man are you serious what that's a joke okay anyway I just want to throw out there according to the Social Security Administration or whatever um 2021 was actually the peak of boys being named Anakin so it's we're on the way up yeah I'm not surprised it's a classic with Star Wars like getting more and more popular as lucasfilm and how many babies were named Obi Darth next question so this was jar jar wait Marcus do you know the significance of Anakin it's one of the main characters not wrong stop the Press how much of Star Wars have you not seen well I haven't watched the movies but like I've seen memes and enough of it like you haven't seen a single Star Wars movie not entirely through no oh oh my God yeah but I know I know characters names I know like I have good and who's bad kinda is Anakin good or bad next trivia Extravaganza there is totally going to be a we grill Marquez about Star Wars I mean I'm gonna get most of them wrong also yeah I don't know one day we'll have a Star Wars and Harry Potter trivia centered episode and I will die happy okay next question the crab theory that Ellis spoke about oh boy was an example of convergent evolution Tech question we did both so the convergent evolution you guys were correct but can you give me an example of convergent evolution any example like from another animal that from any yeah there's a there's a lot of examples really okay I've had a couple that I was juggling that I'm gonna write and also cross out I have literally known I'm more interested to see if you will consider this right or wrong I was gonna say there I might have to do something quickly I know there's going well yeah you did not describe how specific we have to be for animals too late it has to be animals oh you're yeah true oh okay all right flip him and read what do we got I just wrote I wrote Birds okay wait you're all birds what about bird what about birds there's probably some conversions crabs there's only one kind of bird if crabs there's tons of birds yeah but they're all birds yeah exactly so it's not convergent evolution it's just evolution about converging on one type of bird tell me I'm wrong the converging they all have beef they have feathers they fly not all actually they don't know why those are the ones left behind they haven't converted I feel like this is subjective Adam no it is not I mean I guess depending if you consider biology subjective so I wrote four legs four legs there's not that many things with two legs is it two legs no no no I said sharks more specific so you're actually I'm gonna give that to you because that's the closest one yes what was it fish a shark and dolphin bodies is an example of conversion I hope I Converse should be a shark or dolphin sharks have sharks have been around for like 400 million years ago yeah I feel like if they were that evolved they would have changed Birds if you would have said bird wings I would have given you a point bro are you playing because bird wings and insect Wings is an example of convergent evolution quick fact check David is correct what tetrapods four legs is an example of convergent evolution in fact check it on the spot four legs I had to put in tetrapod because when you put in four legs it's like what the hell are you talking about it's like so I get the point right you get the point Andrew's gonna go nuts on this bird he's right I do think that birds is a good one though even if you didn't get it right the wings if I said Wings yeah more than one thing turned into a flying so I have a bunch of stuff why don't we not wait why are we not sharks and or Birds no it's not all creatures there's like certain uh environments for which certain evolutionary features are ideal and once they reach that ideal they don't need there's no further Evolution needed it's like when you drafts get longer and longer next changes again and like they've reached the the height where like they can reach all of the leaves and it it's no longer evolutionarily advantageous to be even taller so giraffes aren't like still evolving longer and longer than Xbox virgin evolution is Technically when two different things evolve to the same so some other mammal also evolves a longer along the neck and the same other form okay Hooves and they just turn into a draft because that's the optimal so other fish were evolving into sharks there's no doubt that's a ton of different sharks that have all evolved to have the same look they're all they're all the same look oh the same like so flying flying is an example of convergent evolution do you know like all the dinosaurs become Birds yeah no there's thank you I agree it is the last living example of a dinosaur but not all dinosaurs became Birds sharks crocodiles but they weren't Dinosaurs the crab Brave slowly getting that second trivia question after that yeah it's a tech one well this was the third trivia question actually yeah the tech one why did Amazon name the assistant Alexa [Music] what was that someone just groaned and time is coming up flip him and read is it an acronym I wrote that it's an acronym or some sort of a combo of Amazon made up words I wrote random name generator I wrote executive's daughter nope that's a good answer so according to Amazon it was inspired by the Library of Alexandria and that's why they named Alexa in what way the Library of Alexandria was the source of the library that burned down and we lost a lot Alex uh like Alexandria ah sure yeah Alex Alexander is spelled a-l-e-x-a and er yeah but it's not Alexander it's Alexander I mean those are all too long Alexander yeah I think Alexandria is named after Alexander I don't know who else would be named after wait the city is named after the dude I'm I thought I'm just saying check I'm just saying that's how it's spelled like Alexis it's the first half of that that's fair yeah so that's why it was City in Virginia you might that's true wow Amazon has a lot of love for Virginia huh so no one got any points for that sorry no yeah okay all right well that's been fun I think I always answer some of you got some birds uh something out of that I hope some of you made it this far yeah if you made it this far into the podcast I I need you to write a comment that just says I know many different animals before like uh or just name animals with four legs that would be that would be pretty sick too let us know you got this far table cool that's one too all right thanks for listening thanks for watching thanks for subscribing thanks for raiding catch you guys in the next one peace user five star rating on us this month waveform was produced by Adam Molina and Ellis rovin we are partnering with box media podcast Network and our inter outro music was created by vayne Sill [Music] y

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Published: Fri Feb 24 2023