Women's Pockets Weren't Always a Complete Disgrace | A Brief History: England, 15th c - 21st c

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πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 70 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/jsabo πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Apr 12 2021 πŸ—«︎ replies

There's something about Bernadette, that makes me want to watch her videos. I don't even sew except for the occasional rip or button.

Edit: Wow, I am not alone.

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 227 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/slyiscoming πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Apr 12 2021 πŸ—«︎ replies

She has the best videos. I knowing nothing about making clothes, but she makes it all really interesting and informative.

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Very interesting video! I noticed that Bernadette's cadence sounds similar to CGP Grey's, and they have the same clipped ends to words. Is this an American regional thing (are they from the same state), or is it a learned thing (e.g. from news presenters), or is it just a coincidence?

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 15 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/Eborkun πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Apr 12 2021 πŸ—«︎ replies

Great video! If you liked this, you will probably also enjoy this podcast episode from the β€œArticles of Interest” series on 99% Invisible:

https://99percentinvisible.org/episode/pockets-articles-of-interest-3/

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What a lovely and well spoken treatise. She's great. My wife has commented on pockets as well, and does demand I carry certain pocket sized items for her from time to time.

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Bernadette Banner is a national treasure, with a name that belongs in marvel

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Bernadette is a treasure, I love her so much! She puts so much work into her videos, I appreciate that I always learn something from her!

πŸ‘οΈŽ︎ 52 πŸ‘€οΈŽ︎ u/FieraSabre πŸ“…οΈŽ︎ Apr 12 2021 πŸ—«︎ replies

I listened to this on my phone... in my hoodie pocket, realizing that quite possibly that having pockets is probably why hoodies are popular.

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(anticipatory music) - I apologize in advance for the level of purely distilled passive rage that is probably going to be coursing through this video, but also kind of not really at all, because the SHEER INJUSTICE of this matter -- (beep) We are by now probably all too familiar with the blasphemous disgrace that is pockets in women's clothing, to the point where, lacking any actual solution to this matter, we have done as 21st century society does best when coping with the mild injustices decided by large, seemingly impenetrable corporations (carnival music) With #relatablememes, but women's pockets weren't always this way. In fact, women's pockets were once upon a time so vast that such things as books, loaves of bread, clothing and accessories, and even live chickens could be merrily carried about one's day. And I thought before we let that one viral poem about pockets for some reason being banned because ?sedition or something?, actually takes any root of truth, in any of our perceptions of the past, we would take this fine day to explore the development of pockets in women's clothing, and all of the vast spatial luxury we were once upon a time afforded. (orchestral music ending) (lute(?) music) For centuries, before pockets were sewn into our actual garments, pockets were actually entirely separate garments worn by both men and women, and were looped into belts to be accessed either from the outside or to be concealed underneath an overtunic and accessed through slits in the overwear. Limited survival of medieval and early modern dress severely limit our ability to understand the construction and development of the pocket during this time, as well as any more precise periods of style shift. But we begin finding extent pocket evidence around the very beginning of the 17th century, when we begin seeing pockets integrated into the garments themselves in menswear. The pockets found stitched into extinct trunk hose are shaped remarkably similarly to the late Victorian pockets that sewing texts such as that written by Bertha Banner in 1895 teach, and which you may have seen me attempt here on this channel. But we will get to Victorian things in a minute. One of the remarkable things about pockets in general is that they're so practical and utilitarian that we don't see a whole lot of development in construction and style between the centuries, which pocket scholars Barbara Burman and Ariane Fennetaux point out in their book on the history of pockets, signifies a unique resilience in the practicalities of some older technologies in the face of radically advancing innovations. "Pockets," they write, "require us to recognize slower currents "of consumer practices below or even against the mainstream. "Surviving evidence suggests "that women's pockets in particular remain consistent "in features for even longer stretches of history, "as women's pockets would remain predominantly "in the tie-on variety for another couple of centuries." The term "tie-on pocket" by the way is not a term that I or professional pocket scholars are aware of having been used historically, but is merely a modern invention to distinguish between the independent pocket garment worn tied round the waist from the actual sewn-in pockets which was an integral part of another garment. Primary sources tend to refer to tie-on pockets and sewn in varieties alike as simply "pockets", since for the most part, if you are talking about a woman's pocket, you probably by default were referring to one of these, and that specification that it tied on wasn't strictly necessary. (the music of intrigue) It is always worth being wary of the selection of garments that survived the tests of time, and questioning why those particular garments have survived. But the sample of surviving pockets that we are able to study today already capture a vast range of techniques and materials from their construction. All sorts of materials from linen to cotton, silk, wool, and even leather could be used as the pocket base. They're often pieced, made from bits of cabbage left over from other sewing projects in an effort to utilize every bit of precious, often handwoven, fabric available. And there are many surviving pockets that are patchworked entirely. Pockets could be plain and utilitarian, or embroidered, whether by the wearer herself with personal motifs or initials, or with sumptuous silk embroidery. Pockets could be bound or French-seamed, could open horizontally or vertically, all these features and decorations according to the wearer's personal preferences, which makes the pocket a particularly intriguing item of fashion, as they weren't always seen, there wasn't in most cases, pressure for them to adhere to very specific designs, according to fashion, and to change them out according to the season, which is perhaps another reason why we don't see much of a shift in their functional design throughout much of history. A pocket is a personal item worn next to the body and often out of sight, and perhaps most importantly, is representative of a material autonomy that many women for much of history were not able to partake in. The items kept in a pocket, however, were personal, concealed, and uncontrolled by anyone but the wearer. (calm music) There is a certain democraticness about a pocket. Requiring very little fabric and only a needle and thread, and minimal amount of time and effort to create, pockets were accessible and worn by members of all social classes and professions to accompany all sorts of people in all manners of day-to-day activities. And being such personal garments, containing personal items, worn close to the body and handled frequently, unlike a lot of the pretty high-fashion occasion garments that survive in profusion to us today, pockets provide excellent deductive glimpses into the personal lives of the real people who wore them, where any staining on the pocket can give us an idea of where the pocket has been worn, how it was used, and roughly what was kept in them. This particular pocket for example, shows significant wear to the embroidery on the upper right half, as well as wear to the right side of the slit binding and distortion to the left, suggesting that this pocket was likely worn on the left-hand side of the body to be accessed by the left hand. We can also sometimes deduce something of a person's employment through depictions of pockets in surviving imagery. Evidence shows pockets having been worn both underneath and on the outside of clothing, but those who wear their pockets exposed, either are Very Bold or more practically are merchants, sellers, or people needing regular access to their pockets, such as to regularly collect and dispense money. This isn't practically the most desirable wearing position for pockets, considering how easy it was for the more nefariously-minded passerby to sneak a thieving hand in, or to cut the pocket loose altogether. The Old Bailey Proceedings, which archive London's criminal court records between 1674 and 1913, have over 4,000 pages of records concerning pocket-related criminal activity just in London alone, making pockets quite the evident target. So the size and visibility of the pocket substantially increases the wearer's susceptibility to theft. There is so much delicious pocket theory to be explored, but we are getting slightly carried away, because we must take a moment to discuss the mid-18th century, or the brief sort of golden age for women's pockets. Given that the fashionable silhouette now conveniently involved very wide hips. That is right friends, this opportunity did not go unnoticed, for if you are thinking what the fashionable 18th century woman was thinking, yes, the pocket potential in these gowns is Endless. Fashionable women of this period took full advantage. Skirts and petticoats of this time period were most commonly constructed in the apron front manner, where the front panels are slightly detached, to be tied round the back of the waist, over the rest of the skirt, which means there were conveniently left slits on either side of the skirt, perfect for accessing pockets worn underneath the sometimes vast hoops that were worn to structure the skirts. There was even a specific style of hoop known as the pocket hoop, which were two separate structures shaped often with whalebone and connected with tape ties around the waist and which were, yes, basically giant pockets. These I don't think were as commonly worn amongst fashionable women as the hoop petticoats, at least not as many of them survive in actual material, as well as in contemporary imagery. Just practically, I imagine these would actually be a bit too big and cumbersome. Imagine the weird balance forces that would happen if you had like an apple in your pocket, and you had to bend over to do something. Mid-18th century stays also often feature small pockets, right at the center top edge of the stomacher, perfect for storing small personal effects. Hoop petticoats and pocket hoops though are merely one relatively brief style of fashion, which did not persist past the century, and which were worn largely by the fashionable upper-class due to their rather obvious spatial impracticality. For the most part, women during the 18th century continued the usual tie-on pocket tradition, which could still be quite roomy due to the general trend of fuller skirts constructed with lots of pleats and gathers, meaning that the bulk of a pocket would not interfere with the fashionable ideal of a slimmer silhouette. (classical music ending) (upbeat music) Speaking of slimmer silhouettes, the 18th century precedes the Regency period, which decides to have an affinity for slim silhouettes, which in theory makes the bulk created by a pocket undesirable, if not potentially impossible to wear, with the rising waistline, necessitating the adoption of the reticule, or a small decorative handbag carried by the wearer, right? Not necessarily! "The reticule is not or never can be "a fair representation of the substantial "and capacious pockets which our ancestors wore. "They were proper pockets, "such as reticules never can be," recalls an Edwardian source. As we know, there is no such thing as a definitive "always" in history, and thus, despite the best efforts of once again, a small selection of fashionable upper-class women to make the reticule a thing, it wasn't ubiquitous. So no, foreshadowing a myth that will repeat itself later in history, the handbag is not responsible for the displacement of pockets. And in this case, no such total displacement even occurred. Most women proceeded to utilize the tie-on pocket, especially since many working women of the Regency period did not adopt the fashionable high-waisted silhouettes and thus, wearing and accessing pockets worn at the natural waist wouldn't really have been an issue. But this also doesn't mean that those who did wear high-waisted gowns but also were not keen on the reticule didn't still manage to wear pockets nonetheless. You can definitely tell a high-waisted Regency pocket when you see one, since they are Adorably Long Bois, such that they can be tied under the bust with the gown, but still accessed at a respectable hand height. (calm music) There is, as most of us probably know from personal experience, no such thing as a hard boundary in fashion from which every clothes wearer on the face of the planet, or even within a specific geographical region collectively decides to change from one fashion to the next, but the shift from women's tie-on pockets to pockets sewn into clothing in the "masculine style" occurs sometime around the middle of the 19th century, likely sometime between 1840, when texts such as the Work Woman's Guide still depict tie-on pockets in diagrams, and the 1870s, when we begin seeing greater prevalence of written references-- and complaints!-- about the state of women's pockets. But even so, the tie-on pocket doesn't entirely go away, with examples still cropping up throughout the remainder of the 19th century. There are many reasons and theories as to why sewn-in pockets became the prevalent method of pocket construction, as well as pros and cons of each variety. Sewn-in pockets are undoubtedly more secure, since they are literally sewn into a garment and can't be cut or untied either accidentally or purposefully. The latter part of the 19th century also sees a relative slimming of skirt silhouettes, and primarily during the last decade of the 19th century, the area across the hips in particular becomes so tightly fitted as to complicate the practical wearing of a tie-on pocket at the natural waist, and while we today imagine sewn-in pockets living in the side seams of skirts, as indeed many late 19th century women's sewn-in pockets did as well, it was also quite common to hide pockets in hilariously illogical places, such as in the center back seam in late nineties, early Edwardian skirts with the dense pleating at the back, pockets could live under ruffles or drapes or even near the hem, just to ensure that one did always have at least one pocket despite complex fitting restrictions. Sewing in pockets does come with limitations, however. One must take into consideration the balance of a garment, meaning that pockets over a certain size couldn't simply sit in the side seam without putting strain on a seam in a physically awkward way. So those would need additional anchoring into the waistband. And this is also not to mention the fact that rather than tying on the same pair of pockets with any change of clothing, garments with sewn-in pockets require pockets to be laboriously added into every new garment, a task which industrialization and the commercialization of clothing manufacture was more and more likely to perceive as superfluous, and unnecessarily costly, warrantying fewer pockets added into women's clothing. Seemingly this is only a problem for women's clothing, still :/. Despite the astonishing number of passionate treatises on the degeneration of women's pockets that can be found in contemporary magazines from the latter half of the 19th century and into the early 20th century, the concern seems to be most prominently on the amount of pockets available to women in comparison to men, but not so much on the debate of size. "The feminine system of pockets "is wretchedly meager and deficient, "and stands greatly in need of reform," quotes one 1897 article, literally entitled "A Plea for Pockets". But as we can see, in extant garments surviving from these periods, as well as the instruction guides that tell us how these clothes were made, pockets of this period were still mind-bendingly large to our modern sensibilities. Definitely large enough for phones, books, snacks, water bottles, et cetera. The issue of pocket equality becomes particularly entwined with the equality of women in general and inevitably, women's suffrage. After the third article that I read by Elizabeth Cady Stanton devoted specifically to the subject of pockets, you cannot convince me that she was not just as passionate about pocket inequality as she was about the vote. (having thoughts music) So how did our pocket problem somehow get worse, even as time and society progressed, even despite women winning the vote? How did the pocket dilemma manage to progress from just pocket number to focus more pressingly on rapidly diminishing pocket size? A very simple and practical answer is ~Fashion~. As we explored previously through the 19th century, slimmer silhouettes make large pockets more difficult to conceal, and the slim silhouettes of the Regency period, or the hip hugging skirts of the Edwardian period still conceal the actual figure far more than late 20th and 21st century fashions. Our skirts no longer are constructed in the apron-front fashion that allows convenient slits to access pockets worn underneath, and we don't wear petticoats to conceal or even out any bulk created by carrying items in pockets. Many of us don't even wear skirts at all, but tight pants being tight still isn't a satisfactory explanation for the phenomenally widespread cultural acceptance of insufficient pockets in 21st century feminine clothing. Since the absence of pockets in skirts, dresses, and coats made for the feminine market is still very real not to mention the fact that men's fashion throughout history has seen similar cycles into skin tight fashion with no pocket insufficiency. True, the pockets in britches of these skin tight late 18th and early 19th century, if they did have pockets, were quite small, but pockets were still provided on the upper body, in the inside and outside of the coat and waistcoat, where one option for pockets disappeared, this loss was compensated for elsewhere on the body, without the wearer being expected to purchase and use at greater risk of loss the personal property, a tangential handbag. And of course, there's absolutely no explanation for the pinnacle of insulting blasphemy that is the existence of the fake pocket. Instead, people wearing feminine clothing in the 21st century are instructed that in order to be "fashionable", our natural bodies must be a particular shape and fashion forbid, we obscure that even just enough to be able to store a mobile phone. So you see, dear viewer, all this time we have been quietly permitting society to convince us that in discarding the torturously repressive corset, we in the 21st century have definitively thwarted the patriarchal hold over female liberty once and for all, while in actuality our material freedom has been gradually snatched from right under our noses in the form of expensive jeans with fake pockets requiring additionally expensive handbags. Do with that information what you will. (calm music ending) Thanks so much for watching, as always, links to sources, as well as recommendations for further reading on the subject of pockets, are all linked down in the description box below as usual. Speaking of further reading, this video is in collaboration with Yale University Press who are the publishers to one book I referenced quite heavily throughout my research for this video, "The Pocket, a Hidden History of Women's Lives" by Barbara Burman and Ariane Fennetaux. Yale University Press are very kindly giving away two free copies of this book, if you are interested in giving it a read for yourself and learning some more about pockets. The link to enter the giveaway will be down in the description box below, along with everything else. Winners will be drawn one week from today on Saturday the 17th of April, 2021 at 5:00 p.m. London time. Good luck. (classical music)
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Published: Sat Apr 10 2021
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