Will and 'Destiny' debate what it is to be American | Will Cain Show

one a conversation maybe a debate with one of the most prominent streamers on the left Destiny two the New York hush money trial against Donald Trump the biggest campaign advertisement in history but for Joe Biden or Donald Trump and three now number one overall pick in the WNBA draft Caitlyn Clark's salary has been revealed just over $300,000 over 4 years that's left people like Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Russell Wilson saying these ladies deserve more but does Russell Wilson understand [Music] economics it is the will Kane Show streaming live at foxnews.com on the Fox News YouTube channel the Fox news Facebook page and Always On Demand wherever you get your audio entertainment at Apple or Spotify just hit subscribe or on YouTube right under the live description the text description of this live show hit subscribe to the willc show you can get down for example to the Brass tax of the Trump trial in New York City we broke down what you need to know with law professor and Fox News legal analyst Jonathan Turley yesterday plus you can get exclusive interviews like those with Dwayne The Rock Johnson or Tony Robbins by hitting subscribe to the willc show today we have something unique something that I would hope would be all the more common and that is we have a conversation with someone from the left in fact he's one of the most prominent streamers from the left he has almost a million subscribers on YouTube he was previously incredibly successful on Twitch he has gone viral for debates with the likes of Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro and Candice Owens Pierce Morgan and Tom lren and he is joining us today here on the willc show so let's get started with Story number one Stephen banel II otherwise known as Destiny uh is joining us now on the willc show there's already a comment from someone named pimbrook here asking or saying oh my God Destiny at Fox News that was not on my apocalypse bingo card so Destiny welcome to Fox News hey thanks for having me how does it feel to be in the belly of the Beast you made it all the way to New York City and you walked into 1211 Avenue of the Americas you made it to the 15th floor and you're sitting in a studio at Fox feels amazing you know just waiting to uh work my way up to uh what never mind uh I'm excited to be here it's fun to be here yeah you work your way up to what to work your way to Newsmax what what do you want to say I was going to say Sean hany but and I don't even know who works C work because I know Bill Ry isn't here and everything and I don't watch cable news much anymore so so yeah I'm not sure but yeah whoever is whoever is still listen I don't know how I don't know where this is going to go and that's fine I'm happy to see exactly where our conversation goes today we'll talk about some of the news of the day we'll talk about Donald Trump's trial in New York City but let me just start with this man um tell me tell me about yourself like you have really risen I think it would be unfair to say over the past couple of months because over a decade now you've been successful streaming on various platforms so you know um what is it about you that is so willing and interested in talking to people like me that you're willing to engage and debate where so much of the attitude on the left is you shouldn't platform people that disagree with you you shouldn't debate because it gives Credence to opinions that I would assume at least in some cases you and I will have very big disagreement and you may even find abhorent so why are you so interested in debate I think there's three big reasons I think the first first one is that I grew up very conservative and I come from like a debater type family my mom is Cuban and that whole half of my family are very much into shouting matches and screaming at each other and afterwards we always cool but that's just always been that kind of household orientation uh and then growing up conservative has kind of given me a lot of insight into what a lot of conservative people think um it's not like you know they just hate Ordinary People or you know they hate women because of abortion or they hate black people because of opposition to be a lime or whatever it lets me understand the opposing view a little bit more so I can counter it better uh second reason is because I came up in a very kind of brutal online era where the people online were incredibly mean to each other so that kind of gave me the ability to talk to people in a very kind of rough way and I would say around 2016 on the internet most of the online political conversation was either uh like Ben Shapiro facts don't care about your feelings types um or like very soft people on the left who didn't want to have adversarial conversations uh so I I had an advantage there and then the third thing is I have a really strong commitment I think to a lot of the core democratic like liberal like liberalism ideas of freedom of speech and debate and Marketplace of ideas and all that so well let's start with number three I believe you that you have um a very strong commitment to free speech and that being a not just a fundamental principle of the left but one one would hope and one would think a fundamental principle of America but it is it is one that seems to have been betrayed on the left I mean there's been an open Embrace of censorship um and as we just talked about even as at a more abstract level just an unwillingness to hear from points of view that you disagree with um much less interact with them what do you think happen to the left when it comes to free speech I think that anytime somebody gets a lot of power in an area freedom of speech becomes one of those things that can be used to challenge them so they kind of don't like it um I think that freedom of speech is a thing that you have to protect for the unpopular side obviously because the popular side doesn't need those protections people aren going to challenge it anyway so whether we're talking the left and kind of the hold the behab on a lot of culture or whether we're talking about Donald Trump when he's the president and he wants to you know Sue media because he doesn't like what they say about him um I think that whenever people have a lot of power in a particular area freedom of speech becomes a very threatening concept to them and that power so they kind of want to stifle it as much as possible I I totally agree I don't I don't think that any either side ideologically has shown a historical consistency to the principle of free speech it just so happens to be that the left controls almost all the mechanisms of power certainly behind the scenes and with that comes the protection of censorship I would draw a distinction between Donald Trump suggesting he would sue the media in the case of defamation it's probably impossible for Donald Trump to prove a defamation case I mean he's such a public figure but I would think he'd have a legitimate claim in many many cases about openly malicious and false statements towards him I would distinguish that from you know the government looking to impose upon private companies censorship when it comes to covid or quote unquote election denial or whatever it may be those are two different approaches to censorship yeah I agree but I'm not aware of any time the government imposed on uh social media they said they had to censor something I think a lot of social media companies I think in good faith we're trying to figure out how to navigate certain uh information environments we'll say where there's a lot of conflicting information coming out uh from a lot of different sources and people are trying to figure out what is their responsibility to society what are the ways that they can conduct themselves to keep people safe and healthy while still respecting you know like user generated content everything else so I I think Co was genuinely a very challenging time for people figuring out what it is they wanted to support or what they believed in or the types of values they should uphold and then how that was competing against things like concerns over public health and whatnot but you don't think Destiny for example what was revealed for from guys like Matt taibe in the Twitter files at the government leaning through the FBI and other mechanisms leaning heavily on social media companies Twitter for one but we can already also know that it was Facebook and others to take down content you don't think that crosses a First Amendment barrier of the government interfering with free speech um from what I saw no I highly encourage people to read the Twitter files if they actually think that but I didn't see anything like that um there were times when the FBI the um Twitter was working a lot with the FBI for instance uh and saying oh do you think there are spam accounts do you think they're bad accounts but there are times when the FBI was submitting what like over 100,000 accounts that they had flagged as being malicious or Bots or Chinese or whatever I don't think Twitter banned any of them so it doesn't seem like if Twitter didn't comply with the FBI didn't seem like there was a whole bunch of pressure there it was more just the FBI saying like hey this might be a thing check it out and when it came to like for instance that I think it was the New York Post right that had that story about H Biden like we got all the leaks from Twitter from the emails where they were debating internally you know how do we handle the story what should we do with it and none of that was like we need to do this because the FBI is coming after us it seemed like genuinely a lot of employees that were really trying to figure out what the right thing to do was yeah but that's the soft power of government if I mean if a cop comes to your house and says hey hey you really should start behaving in XYZ manner you know it doesn't really matter what the law says the implication is the power of the cops can modify will modify your behavior and while the FBI wasn't perhaps saying directly take this down their suggestions their their suggestion came with an implication of power behind the scenes as Congress for example or the doj as part of Congress looked at different ways to begin to regulate social media Facebook runs in fear of Regulation from the government I mean like there's soft power everywhere you can get into you can have a discussion about that but if that's the case I mean what what harder soft power than the president implying he should that the media is the enemy of the people and he should be able to open defamation suits at there publishing stuff about him that he finds defamatory I mean we're going to talk about soft power considering the FBI never took any legal action or anything or official action against any of these social media companies for not Banning suggested accounts I would argue that the soft power of the president of the United States declaring the media an enemy of the people and then threatening to open up defamation lawsuits against them or threatening to suspend the Constitution to search for voter fraud and stuff like that I think those are far more scary breaches of norms and utilization of soft power to have like a chilling effect on public discourse what do you I mean you yourself weren't you banned from twitch for having conversations and I understand it's a private company now we're moving beyond governmental influence into just the cultural Embrace of the idea of free speech you which by the way is a huge part of America it's it's not just that it's guaranteed by the government but that we as a culture have generally understood the marketplace of ideas is what's healthy for a society you yourself were censored I think kicked off of twitch uh yeah I mean I disagree obviously but they're a private company they have the right to do it you but you think that's a problem I mean I I saw conflicting reports on why you were kicked off was it because you hosted Nick Fuentes because you said something about I don't know why you were kicked off it was a lot of debates with with transp at the time um there are multiple ways in which you could talk about freedom of speech and I'm glad at least you pointed out there's a difference between like the um you know the First Amendment restricting the government from creating laws or bridging your right to freedom of speech but there's also private companies and how they approach freedom of speech too I think that private companies should be relatively open to a lot of different ideas you know within whatever they feel is appropriate for their platform I guess twitch feels like the type of speech that I embody is not appropriate for their platform so they decided to go in a way that doesn't include me obviously I disagree with that I disagree with that pretty heavily but I mean that's a that's a fight that you have on either the personal uh professional or cultural level which is a is a whole different Beast than the government level I'm curious I'm just going to follow my curiosity um because I don't know anything about this um I I said you are extremely successful on YouTube you were extremely successful on Twitch was that a huge financial setback for you to be banned from twitch um yeah it was pretty significant yeah but I've always kind of Diversified my uh revenue streams because I know that depending on the topics you talk about uh you can get into hot water so I don't like to restrict what I'm saying or restrict the topics that I approach just because of who's paying me money so I always make sure to kind of have my fingers and everything or to have different Revenue stream setups so that if I lose one I'm not completely out of commission and you're killing it right you were you I I assume you were as well killing it on Twitch yeah I mean I'm asking that out of curiosity because I don't know the streamer economy seems to be something that is you know probably for the 1% and you were in you were and probably still are in the 1% of streamers but I mean we're talking about serious money a serious business streaming yeah I'd say 0.1% yeah um no yeah I do very very well I'm very successful I'm very I'm very lucky I'm very happy you know I'm grateful my fan base I'm grateful that I grew up in a country that allowed me to have these conversations and pursue you know all the things that I did and arguably only in the United States could all the opportunity that I've had exist here so yeah I'm I'm super happy about how my life has turned out so far yeah so what do you that's a good place so you know you say you you grew up on the right in a conservative household um you know I think one of the most fundamental philosophical debates right now that divides the left and right once we get Beyond sort of the news of the day and the and the important but but specific disagreements we have I think that at least on on the right and I'll share with you this point of view which you say you probably already know one of the divides seems to come down to the very nature of the United States you just spent some time praising the United States but there is at least a big sentiment on the right that the left has fallen out of love with America they just don't love whatever is essential about America that has made it a unique experiment on on the world stage um I already see you kind of rolling your head back and forth um you disagree with that you don't think you think the left still loves the idea of America uh absolutely not I I agree with you that there's a huge problem on the left with not having love for this country with only looking at the negative aspects of it and I think it's incredibly sad but uh unfortunately that because there are different things I could look to the left for and there are different things I could look to the right for and like listen you know we're all kind of crazy but there are some things I could rely on some sides for and you know the left obviously has no love for you know country military anything like that but the right has a respect for had respect for things like rule of law or had respect for you know like the Integrity or honor of our country and some of our large businesses uh you know I could rely on the neocons at least for that and it feels like unfortunately that kind of like populist undercurrent has swept away a lot of what I thought used to be kind of admirable from the right uh for instance I know these are going to be really prickly topics but I personally okay I'm on the left I'm a huge proponent of capitalism I'm a huge proponent of globalism I think that the vaccines that the United States spearheaded is like the ultimate example of the uh the union of government it was Donald Trump and his warp speed program that pushed that as quickly as possible it was capitalism it was us business and Innovation that manufactured stuff or did the research and development it was um it was globalism it was us working with bio inch in Germany it was uh manufacturing those standed liit particles I think in I might have been in Norway um or Denmark like all of this was a really cool thing I think that came together with a lot of different forces but uh because of how politicized everything is today the right won't even take credit for when America does something well um and then obviously the left won't take credit for a lot of things the United States does well I think I personally don't like Elon Musk or his politics uh a lot I really don't like his politics but man the rocket stuff it was really cool SpaceX is really awesome watching the things come back to earth is is sick and you know regardless of if you think Teslas are not the best car or not the best build quality or have you know Q&A problems or whatever um the uh the the Tesla cars probably pushed forward electronic Vehicles by like 10 or 15 years at least I don't think anybody denies that so yeah I I don't like that the poti politization of every single topic has made it so it seems like neither side right now is willing to acknowledge anything good about the country okay you know I saw a video of you saying that you fall into the Trap Of Destruction a lot and I can sympathize with that um meaning you can tear down someone else's argument um I can sympathize with that I spent a lot of years Destiny on ESPN and um I remember there's this this commentator he's a a play-by-play guy his name is Joe tesor and he has this really distinct delivery in voice he said Kane you are a counter puncher and I'd go against Stephen A Smith and I'd hear his argument and it would be very easy for me to humbly but accurately it would be very easy for me to destroy Stephen A Smith's argument but that's different than making a positive um argument that is looking for a a solution or just one that is one that forwards a case without looking to tear down someone else's um so I want to do this you said a lot in that answer you talked about the populace right you talked about the vaccines you talked about the Private Industry um and you talked about the left I want to see if we can dig into all those let's start with the left so you said why the left you said the left does have this underlying I don't know lack of love for America let's talk about why for a minute to me it's like um you know a woman who always says that she loves you but she fundamentally wants to change who you are at some point it's like well do you really love me if everything about me you want to change what is it about me that you love that's what I think often about the left they have this utopic vision of the future that totally distances itself from what made America as an experiment unique it sees America as racist as flawed as bigoted in every fashion as misogynistic and because of that I think the left looks constantly across Waters to Europe or someplace else as some better model with I think very little firsthand experience or even academic understanding of what works or doesn't work in those countries that would be my diagnosis of why the left doesn't love America why do you think it doesn't love America I think that people in general have a very hard time seeing Shades of Gray and this applies to all aspects of life not just politics it could apply to personal relationships or or you know know work colleagues or whatever and I think that America has a history that you know has problems and issues and things that we've done poorly things that we've done horribly uh whether we're talking foreign intervention whether we're talking domestic policy obviously things like slavery falling into things like Jim Crow um and I think that when you look at the messy History of the United States and really of every single country on the planet uh it's easy to look at the bad things and think that because of those bad things everything is bad and I feel like the left falls into that trap a lot where when you look at the past and you see issues or problems in the past it's hard to give credit for the things that are good and you only fixate on the things that are bad and then going forward it it people do this weird mind trick where they start linking together too many what should be discreet ideas of like oh America's a good country and they hear oh America did nothing wrong like that's what people hear when you say that so um I I just think there's this right yeah it's just yeah fallacious tendency to link everything together and and you can't accept that like oh we have a really awesome country and we've also made some big mistakes in the past but we've moved on from them which is like really cool and we continue to grow and learn yeah also by the way that we've made mistakes in the past and everyone acknowledges what those are but we still remain the most successful experiment in a mass civilization in human history I find this very similar to the racism debate so you know if you take any singular particular case I don't know we could talk about Michael Brown or whichever one and you start pushing back on the facts of that individual case well this doesn't add up you know hands up don't shoot witness testimony that didn't happen before you know it you're running at 100 milph and somebody says oh you don't think racism exists and I didn't say that but if I push back on the specificities of one particular incident you extrapolated it into this entire thing about what I believe about America and I think the left has done that they've extrapolated out our sins into an indictment of the core of the country and by the way with that not understanding kind of what I think you hinted at every country every experiment human civilization has dealt with tribalism racism and quite honestly slavery every single one there is no perfect society that managed to escape that that I don't know if it's I don't know if it's instinctual um I don't know if it's an instinctual you know habit that humans have gone to at various times but every single civilization has portrayed those mistakes and those weaknesses so did America the question isn't what def us as our mistakes but what makes us unique on the good and I think that evidence is just overwhelming yeah I would agree with that although I think the problem we run into now is people aren't really sure like you brought up earlier um that that people on the left don't know what made this country great I'm not sure at the moment if anybody knows what made this country great It Feels Like Everything has become so political and people are living in completely different factual realities now you know you bring up the Michael Brown case there are a lot of those BLM cases where when you start to dig into the facts a little bit more you're like m this is a lot is a lot less um a sure thing than I was originally led to believe but I would argue that similar stuff happens with say like the Trump indictments where people have a very strong opinion about a thing and then when you ask them questions about like well do you know anything about like the electorate slates or do you know anything about you know um any of the particular facts of the case people like well I didn't hear about that or I don't believe that or even if you're telling me that and it is reported uh you know the indictments are rigged and corrupt and the doj is rigged and corrupt and I don't believe any of that except for when they indict Hunter Biden I believe that but when they indict Trump that's not real and when they investigated Trump and Mar Lago that's not real but when they investigated Joe Biden that was real and I don't like everybody is so that the epistemic the the Truth Factor has become like in extra tied to your political positions such that people are only willing to accept political truths that or fundamental truths that like driive with their political opinion and I think that's a huge problem with the left and right now we live in totally separate realities okay by the way I don't agree with that we live in totally separate realities it's like we're watching the same movie screen but seeing two different movies and I'm not going to forget and I am going to come back to your challenge of the populist right and your your praise of the vaccine but I'm going to stay here for a moment because you kind of open the door to some specificities let's do this for a moment let's talk about the most recent specificity and that's Donald Trump in New York so first of all let's start broadly do you not believe that there is a form of lawfare taking place against Donald Trump um we should had the conversation in six months of of the four cases against Donald Trump I don't like the New York one I think the other three are pretty strong the two Federal ones for sure and the Georgia one I think has a lot of Merit uh the New York one is is what it is I don't think it's the worst case of the world um I think that if it was against Biden I think that if Biden was uh using his money during an election season to pay off uh Somebody To You Know sensibly benefit him in the election I think that cons are making a really big deal about it but um yeah I don't have like the question isn't the question isn't what conservatives would say on the internet the question is whether or not the Department of Justice or the legal system in this case the Manhattan district attorney would pursue the charges and we we have one-on-one comparison it's not Biden it's John Edwards who was a Democrat who had an affair who paid off the affair um the federal elections commission um and the Department of Justice looked into it and said no it's not there it's not a strong case in fact no they did pursue it and they got poured out they it was immediately dismissed which led in this case the doj and the federal elections commission to look at this case with Donald Trump and go they can't we can't win this this is weak and they passed it took a politicized DA in a politicized um in a politicized jurisdiction meaning the lectorate there that will make up the jury it took that to bring what was what is it misdemeanor charges that have passed the statute of limitations charge them up to felonies and try to get something which he may get he may get a very left jury to end up with the result of convicted felon Donald Trump but that doesn't mean the case is good it'll be one on appeal and that leads everybody to go with specificity to your point understanding the facts to go this is nothing but political it's nothing but lawfare to affect an election I mean I wouldn't say it's nothing but political uh the federal government passing on some charges that a state decides to go after isn't the most surprising thing in the world Federal cases tend to be airtight they have what is it a 97% conviction rate on charges that they bring uh forth to people so it's not surprising that a State might be more willing to explore something that a federal government might not um also in terms of turning the state charges uh the misdemeanors into felonies I mean there is a legal process by which they do that and that's if the misdemeanor was done in the commission of another crime which here I think had to do with election what crime was it uh think by understanding I don't not one this is the only case that had a study in depth but my understanding is that um the uh co-mingling or or the utilization of like um a CA Campa like a campaign donation that doesn't get reported properly that that's essentially what the payment was and if the bookkeeping error was done ordinarily would be a misdemeanor crime which are correct the statute of limitation would have passed but if that bookkeeping error was done in order to hide a campaign donation that went unreported then the bookkeeping era would have been done in the commission of that crime which makes the bookkeeping crime a felony which is how they got the UPG this WRA Outsource sure this is where I have to Outsource some of my facts I mean Jonathan Turley who was on this show on the will Kane Show yesterday um um said that it was reported within the next quarter and by the way the you know you talked about the feds and the state choosing different things well that's usually driven by jurisdiction it's not the jurisdiction of a Manhattan district attorney to to look into federal election law crimes especially when the Federal Election Commission has looked into it and said no and in fact brag hasn't even specified you and I are talking about it and people are saying is that what he's looking for as far as a federal election crime but he hasn't wellp specified what it is he hasn't said what the felony charge would be um yeah well I guess we'll F I guess we'll find out when it comes this is the only indictment I didn't read I hate that this is the one of the four uh like I said before I don't like this case personally I don't think I think the Maro one is very strong I think the other Federal Jack Smith's case the big Federal one is big and I think the Georgia one has already turned out I I think good um convictions ple deals essentially already but yeah I don't know the New York one I'm not fully sold on but I don't know maybe as the trial commences maybe I totally respect I I respect when someone says I'm not fully read in on this particular one but I think the takeaway Destiny is if this one is so weak it's just such a good illustration that what is being done here is not a true pursuit of the just of justice and by the way most people think the maril Lago case is the strongest but even then not the strongest case in the world um the Jack Smith case as we speak right now the Supreme Court is hearing arguments on January 6 defendants on the obstruction of justice law and whether not it applies to people rioting at the capital but the point is what the Manhattan case illustrates is none of these are pursuit of the justice of Justice they're all a pursuit to try to um tar Donald Trump before an election because polls suggest if you can say Donald Trump convicted felon you might swing some independent voters could it not be that they think that he committed legitimate wrongs as well I I can understand that it's hard to separate what well no I've seen you tweet this you've said look it could be that one guy broke the law more than the other guy yeah it could go ahead I was going to say it could be that there is a strong feeling from BR that he really does feel like Trump committed a grave error here that you know you did lie about your bookkeeping stuff and you did do it in order to influence his election and that's a big deal um I mean whether or not that's that's a huge benefit of the doubt it is but I mean I think I mean here here's here's the thing Republicans historically have always been strong Defenders of right to own and bare firearms and big proponents of the Second Amendment I enjoy the Second Amendment a lot I just got a sick new pistol two days ago uh I really like shooting guns however Man Hunter Biden uh catching what was it that was in a that was a conviction for lying on a like lying on a 4473 because there's a video of him doing drugs and owning a gun at the same time I don't know if there's ever been a federal charge like that in the history of all of uh going through 44 73s in my entire life but nobody seems to care about that because it's Hunter Biden even though it's like a gun thing so I mean I I I I try to give people the benefit of the doubt unless they've shown me a lot of reason why uh I I shouldn't give them the benefit of the doubt and I will agree that in New York BR has said things in the past where it's like man you really should shut up you really shouldn't be saying you know these types of politically charged statements about wanting to go after Trump or whatever publicly um yeah I'm not going to I'm not going to die in the hill of Defending that New York case but I do try to give the benefit of the doubt where it's possible and it could just be that he really does feel like something wrong has happened here NB hasn't and you know what if it's BS I hope that Trump wins in court I hope he beats it okay you let's put a pin in this because I think it's comes back to something else I want to talk to you about at a broader level because my contention is that it's a symptom of a doj that has been politicized against aing SLE man or for better yet I mean even broader I think against a certain ideology Well it can't be that right because the doj said they wouldn't do anything here right this is New York state right for this case yeah Fair Point the others um the marilo case and Jack Smith case doj but you brought up Hunter Biden and those were doj related cases but the how about the justice system at large but once we get down to the state case then it's going to be different Justice systems in different states um and I respect and appreciate that but let's and we'll come back to this um the populist right this is where we're going to tie this in for a minute you don't like it and you did Tweeter you said something like I miss neocons which is kind of a weird thing to hear like 10 years removed from the left MH I mean Destiny I actually I I appreciate the pivot and the movement of Republicans over the past 10 years towards populism less elitism more in touch with the electorate more concerned with the middle class um more concerned I think not just in rhetoric but the every man out there the person who's getting censored on the internet in every way and less interested in your your appreciation of the globalism of of you know I don't know blurring lines and borders across this world um I I just think that what we've seen is a a healthier better Republican party under the banner of of populism there's no way you could think that that can't possibly be true I feel like there are I do there are so many fundamental things about the conservatives in the 2000s that I thought were defensible and maybe even good like one of those was a supposed to be like a reverence for rule of law like doing things that were legal having that was always one of the biggest defenses of our border was like listen if you're going to come here you should come here legally it's important that people follow laws and I feel like after January 6th I remember before January 6 the idea would be that if you saw people on camera fighting with cops those are always left they're always they BLM people they're the crazy progressives they whatever like that was what was that was supposed to be it was always supposed to be crazy people on the left but um man past January 6 and looking at how conservatives talked about the cops in the Uvaldi the Texas shooting and then the general huge disdain they have now for all of our intelligence agencies because apparently the whole government is poised against them uh I don't know it's really sad like it feels like the respect for any sort of institution or rule of law is like completely out the window um you've got this this nobody wants to give credit to any of our large businesses anymore uh which for all their faults like Facebook and Amazon like it's cool and and Tesla and SpaceX it's cool that America is the place where people come to make these huge businesses it's awesome that these places are yeah you can always coming off too I can ramble forever but no no I'm not I'm not going to cut you off no yeah when I say so much you're saying so much I want to respond to in one answer no okay don't intermingle rule of law and respect for institutions those are two separate conversations and for that matter big business is a third wing of this well stick with rule of law from I don't see Republicans have distance themselves at the end of this question also can you tell me what is something that you think the populist right likes about America right now not like they like where we were like right yeah but as you answer this I'm curious like what do you think the popul loves about America or or respects about America right now I'm curious yeah go for it I I'll answer your question I think the populist right loves the spiritual culture of what it means to be an American and doesn't co-mingle or confuse that with the institutions of America I think the popul right understands that America is not a sitting body of Representatives in Washington DC but it's the smalltown businesses on the main Square in Sherman Texas or it is the people in church or the people in communities in people in charity giving back or the the entrepreneur that built this country the risk taker I think the popul right understands America but doesn't confuse that with the government being America and now that I've answered your question let me put some of what you said back to you rule of law I don't think the right has distanced itself from the rule of law I think what it asks for is equal application of the law and that's why we talk about Trump and that's why Hunter Biden comes in or Joe Biden comes in it's and you're right there are perhaps more questions about about cops on individualized basis because you brought up Uvaldi but the real questions are about the equal application of law from institutions like the FBI the CIA and the Department of Justice can I ask um you brought up before for the spirit of America and I'm curious Scalia once gave uh I don't know if it was testimony for somebody he was talking to a panel in front of Congress and it was a speech about a parchment guarantee have you ever heard this before are you familiar with what I'm talking about yes yeah so for people listening I guess Scalia basically talked about how uh the United States Constitution doesn't really provide for more freedoms than other constitutions that if you looked I think for the documents relating to the founding of the Soviet Union they had way more in the Soviet Union's uh documents I I don't think it was called a constitution I wish remember the words but they had way more rights that were uh both positively and negatively guaranteed to Soviet Union citizens than what you could find in the Constitution but then Scalia would talk about however in the Soviet Union that didn't matter the institutions didn't exist to guard those rights the environment didn't exist to Grant um whatever positive or negative freedoms you wish you had as a citizen that he called these parchment guarantees and I agree with what you say that in the United States we're awesome because of our entrepreneurs we're awesome because of of a whole bunch of different things that make America a unique place but I think that part of what allows this to happen are the institutions that we have uh the idea that I can start a business and I can sell food to people and I know the food is probably going to be safe we have an FDA that regulates that that I have the right to start a business and sell goods and services to people across state lines because the federal government says that everybody has to use the same currency I don't have to worry about any weird Interstate crossing the borders are doing anything I know that if I do business internationally there's a coherent like federal government that negotiates in terms of like trade uh and tariffs and everything and they you know unilaterally can do that I know that there's a lot of things the federal government provides and ensures American citizens that allow us to thrive in the way that we do as much as I love America I don't believe that American Stock is like inherently genetically better than any other stock around the world however I think that the combination of all the people that come here to pursue what we have combined with our institutions that SA and allow for that flourishing I think it's that unique combination of things that have allowed Americans to flourish and I don't think we could have gotten as far as we without our institutions yeah okay just to be clear this is a great conversation I'm going to address every point that you made um you know I didn't make the argument for an inherently Superior genetic stock you I'm sorry when when I brought that up I I wasn't meaning to imply I'm just saying like I don't think Americans are intrinsically better than anyone else I it's a combination of both the people here and the but you understand the existence you understand the existence and the unequal value of various cultures so one culture can be superior to another culture yeah of course yeah absolutely yeah and so my argument is the American culture and it's not it's not a recent phenomenon I think it is part of the whole the whole identity of America that it was founded by essentially that Pioneer Frontier Spirit of risk-takers and entrepreneurs and people that literally pushed West is part of what Still Remains today and that highly individualized view of how you build a society family structure unit at its core is um is what is unique in part to American culture let's go back to Scalia yeah I love that moment I know what you're talking about um he's testifying before Congress and and and first of all and I think you do understand this as well you acknowledge it because you use the terms positive and negatives there's no comparison I mean Scalia may have been tongue and- cheek saying these things there's no way he ever thought that the Soviet Constitution or the South African Constitution which is based on um which Ginsburg praised uh which is based on positive rights is superior to a negative rights constitution like the United States I think for weren't there like negative rights guaranteed for like gender equality and and and there are a whole bunch of other like things that we've gotten through Supreme Court decisions I think but yeah yeah you may I think it was mostly what distinguish those constitutions from ours is was the existence of positive rights so in other words you had a right to a home you had a right to Leisure you had a right to a job um those are positive rights but those are inherently um anachronistic to negative rights you can't have both because if you have a right to a home home somebody else doesn't have a right to their materials or labor they're required to build you the right to a home so the United States is built on negative rights um property being one of those but freedom of speech freedom of religion it's freedoms that are granted by our Constitution's estimation by God that does use the government as a guarantor of those freedoms but it doesn't provide you things in a positive sense that the Soviet and there was a couple other models like South Africa did so but his point that he's making Destiny is you know you could run off a wish list he kind of holds it up of different rights and he said it's a parchment guarantee it's just on paper because you didn't actually have that in the Soviet Union nobody got those things but what he was making an argument I think my memory is correct as opposed to what the way you described it he wasn't making the argument for institutions in that case like the department of energy the CIA the intelligence apparatus the department of the Interior as an enforcer of the Commerce Clause in order to ensure that Americans can actually live under these negative rights he was making an argument instead about checks and balances in Washington DC that ensures that no power is Consolidated he was talking about two branches of Congress a Judicial a legislative and an executive all ensuring that no man no group no administrative State could interfere with the negative rights of Americans yeah I mean I I I feel like these things can run concurrently in a lot of ways I guess I would have to go back and relisten exactly but I think that um I mean the I mean and arguably are the federal uh executive institutions or bodies I'm talking about come from the executive branch and obviously there's um a whole conversation to be had about how much power should the executive branch have in terms of things like the FDA Department of energy and all of that um versus how much are they regulated by Congress uh I I guess the point that I just want to focus on or or the point that I would really like to emphasize is even if I take that Scalia was just talking about like the balance of powers in our government um which are another that I think Republicans aren't always the happiest to uh have existing at all points in time although to be fair the Democrats do as well um I think that the structure of the United States has been integral uh essential in the thriving of America and the successes that we've had that for as much as American culture might have contributed to things uh American culture is largely existing within kind of the the boundaries or borders that the American system you know allows it to that yeah yeah but so so my point is I agree with SC think the so he says in there like you can make all those promises but ultimately in the Soviet Union it was the party that that decided what you got or didn't get or how it ran in America it's not run by the party and so this ties into the conversation we're having about Trump and you bringing up rule of law versus my point of the equal application of the law and you brought up institutions so the populace right has lost trust in institutions when I say institutions I don't mean those separation of powers that scal is talking about the branches of government that ensures no party takes control but I'm talking about a permanent Washington administrative state that is there and the bandwidth of differences by the way from Republican to democratic administrations is largely narrow and I think that's actually why Trump was so hated because he represented a potential disruption to that narrow bandwidth that the administrative State ensures other people call this the Deep state but it definitely exists no matter who's in office there is a group of bureaucrats that run almost all those institutions that you love that ensure America is essentially on autopilot and anybody that interferes I think anybody interferes on X with certain types of speech anybody that interferes with an obstruction of justice charge or anybody that fears interferes running for president will be undercut by that permanent Washington okay if I could communicate one idea let's say that I agree with all of that this would be the only thing that I would beg people to consider when it comes to ordinary members in government or when it comes to ordinary citizens I genuinely believe and I think you have to believe this I think if you don't believe this I think you're unamerican and I think that you have a pathology that has to be deal with okay I genuinely believe that most people are trying to do the right thing uh I think that I think that fundamentally when you look at the values and we can talk about the gayest guy from San Francisco with the most ruralist farmer from Nebraska on the fundamental values I think most Americans broadly agree we want to be able to be happy we want to be able to be healthy we want to be able to have our families to work to do our stuff I think generally most people just want that and then we fight around the edges on things like like a lot of cultural issues or how high should our taxes be um I think that broadly speaking I feel like most people trying to do the right thing I think if you approach it from that point of view and you look and you see what's going on the average conservative not the people at the top not the people that went to court but the average conservative says our election was stolen okay I don't think that that person is thinking I bet it wasn't stolen but I'm just going to say this to cause Mayhem and I want to you know screw with everything I think that they genuinely have questions of like well I saw videos with boxes coming out or I heard that we weren't allowed to watch the ballot counting like I have legitimate question like how is it the fact that somebody can s out an envelope get one back and we know that that voter is actually the one that filled it out if the ballot and the envelope are separated I think these are legitimately good questions and they deserve good answers but the problem is everybody starts from this Foundation of they're rigging it they're lying about it they're trying to destroy the country and when you start from that Foundation nothing works because if we have any core value As Americans it's the fact that we are so unbelievably different than each other but we all manag to live under the same system and governed by the same laws and we and do bus with each other and live next to each other and somehow societ seemed to work that way for 250 years and it is continuing hopefully for at least a little bit longer yeah so you said something super deep that I'm not prepared um to answer I mean you basically started with the so look I believe I believe in Americans I truly do you did introduce sort of the Hoban versus loan view of man's essential nature is it is is it good um and I'm I don't know to be honest I don't know if if man and is essentially good or essentially flawed but either way that that's where culture comes in I mean honestly that's I know I think you're an atheist I'm not sure that may be what it's said on your Wikipedia um but I think that's where religion comes in that there are guard rails placed on Humanity in the best cases those guard rails are placed willingly and voluntarily culturally to keep us within virtuous Behavior but um I think this is is going to be a good segue into some other conversations that we left hanging and that is the vax and and continue on the conversation of Institutions I think that Americans with that inherent goodness that all want something similar I'm going to grant you that premise for the most part I don't think most people are represented by the way on the internet you know whatever we see on X or wherever else I don't think that reflects America um I think that people have lost trust in your instit tions that you appreciate because those institutions have earned our distrust so for example this is going to bring all these things together to some extent you spent time early in our conversation praising the VAC okay now the vaccine has its pros it has its cons it has its flaws it has its benefits like anything else okay that's the truth and and there's a lot of really earned skepticism towards pharmaceutical companies throughout their history on other products that when you apply to this product in the liability protections they've received you should probably approach things with a level of distrust you shouldn't come at this with like raw raw America did this really quick but more than that Destiny all of that censorship where we started that Free Speech conversation the way the institutions behaved towards anyone that exhibited that skepticism or earned distrust only and we could apply this to voting as well in in election you know denial or skepticism when you behave that way and by the way I think this would appeal to you like here you are talking to me you're debating which shows an inherent level of confidence in what you believe right or your ability to go back and forth with me if you didn't come on I think that would be a sign of insecurity I think it is a sign of insecurity for people not to interact with people that disagree with them so when our institutions go shut up shut up you're censored you're out you're a conspiracy theorist on all of these issues elections or vaccine or whatever it compounds the distrust making Americans not crazy but actually sane in reading the Tea Leaves of what's going on in America I agree with you I think it's a really bad or it was really bad the way that things were handled during the pandemic especially with all the companies deciding to follow suit where they're like hey well um we're going to go ahead and just start shutting all this speech down we don't want challenges to the vaccine we don't want challenges to any of the co narratives um we're just going to have like basically the government story and everything else is getting banned and shut down I think that was a huge mistake however I can understand an ordinary person uh having trouble sorting through the statement and sorting through through the seemingly contrary positions at times of the CDC of fouchi NIH of anything else but I think that our job in the media is to sort through these opinions and find out well why are they saying what they're saying and then it goes back to what I said before to where are they doing this because they're evil and they're trying to mislead us or is it genuinely people who are trying to figure out like well what is the correct thing to say or do to maximize essentially the outcomes of the country you know um without I'm trying to avoid super prickly issues but I mean when Co came about nobody knew what that was going to look like by the end of it this was unprecedented it was a massive worldwide pandemic we hadn't dealt with something of this nature before it was like the most transmitted virus I think through all of human history in an incredibly short period of time and you look at like the little island nation of Samoa I was just reading about this the other day that I guess RFK made a trip there was speaking to people that were uh Al be nice as a vaccine skeptic there and I think in the in the months after he left there was like an outbreak of me where like 83 people died and people BL well you know before the government had made mistakes relating to how they communicated vaccines or I think they vaccinated some kids and they accidentally mied mixed a muscle relaxing in with some of the vaccines so some kids died and instead of people thinking like wow um the government is messing up we should be skeptical which by the way as Americans we are always government skeptical and we should be but instead of being skeptical people immediately said oh we're not going to be skeptical we just know that they're evil and one of the truly tragic things is for the vaccine stuff when you look at the United States and what happened I think there's a lot of really good conversation to be had about what should a lockdown look like what should a vaccine mandate look like but we don't have that conversation now now it's just well how much money was fouchy making when he was shoving the evil vac down our throats or you know how evil are Republicans when they just want everybody to die because they don't care about anybody in the country and that's like where the conversation starts and stops yeah go ahead by the way the Mandate mandate's a whole another level to this conversation by the way did you say I don't want to go into prickly topics because you were concerned about fox or oh no I I bring up I try to ground everything I say in it as an example so it doesn't seem like just randomly think but just randomly talking but if I keep bringing up examples that we disagree with then I understand I'm got to get further and further away from the point so yeah I'm trying to find agreeable no you what I thought you were saying and I think you would be accurate to do this is you want to be careful of prickly topic because this conversation right here might get censored which I think goes to illustrate my point even like broaching this topic as we stream on Facebook or YouTube um it it we run the risk of it being flagged in some way which is exactly the kind of conversation that we should be having which again distrust breeds distrust and I don't know we could I want we only have a little bit more time together I think but um I have some Curiosities I want to pursue with you okay uh wait so you have in the past described yourself as a Libertarian and other times a Social Democrat what is your what is your political philosophy um I I would say I'm probably Social Democrat far left or Center left or if I'm arguing with people farther left than me I'm a Nazi I guess it just depends on who I'm talking to but uh I'm a strong proponent of capitalism I think markets are real they need to be respected uh I'm a big believer in the welfare state I think that we need to do things to help people at the bottom uh you know have opportunities to climb to the top any child that's smart enough to be educated well and go to a good college should never have a financial barrier people shouldn't be homeless that's insane to me in this country um but also there needs to be room for you know private entrepreneurs for people like Elon Musk for people like Jeff Bezos to thrive and to succeed uh so yeah I'm a big believer in capitalism but I think that we should use a lot of those wins that American economy the American economy generates in order to help the people at the bottom so that they can continue to succeed and be educated and contribute as well so I'm going to read you a comment that you posted on Twitter um you didn't make a rebuttal you didn't make a rebuttal it's actually somebody commenting about you and you just said they they they characterize me like an anime uh villain and this is somebody that posted on on one of your feeds in the first eight minutes Destiny said one of the few things that is truly relevant to understanding him he believes in nothing nothing besides what is more or less mainstream consensus thought and that that is how he has longevity he Twirls in the wind dances on the wires of course of discourse there is no Destiny there but some kind of abstraction listen Okay that's going to be hard for you not to take his at homonym but I don't know you so I don't know you so I don't know if this describes you well or not but I would say this Destiny I think this describes a lot of the modern left I don't know what philosophically or principally ties the left in a coherent Vision it does feel veryy of the moment so much so that Barack Obama probably would have been dismissed as a as a as a Nazi because of his positions on gay marriage or whatever you would choose um that it is progressivism by its very nature is like what's next and yesterday is evil and it makes it feel what like well whatever's popular whatever's blowing in the wind whatever's mainstream is what's good and I think in a lot of ways we look at and go that's how you end up in a place where you can't Define what a man or a woman is I mean if we look at if we were to play like a logic game like do like an IQ test we would have say okay what's more similar on the top line we've got Bill Clinton Barack Obama and then we have uh Joe Biden and then on the bottom we've got you know bush bush and Donald Trump who's changed more over the past like three presidents of their party I I think that the I think I think that Trump is represents a significant departure from Biden was literally Obama's VP right I think Trump trump represents a significant departure well sure but I'm just saying in terms of like shared ideological foundation for lawmakers I think that Biden is way more similar to the line of democratic candidates or presidents than than Trump is to any of them and there are a lot of things that the Trump does now that I didn't know Republicans would ever stand for my mom is very traditional I agree listening to her talking about Bill Clinton and mon Linsky and then listening to her defend Trump's comments I'm like man really Mom you're okay with that or him attacking prisoners of war or powers like McCain like the military I don't Republicans would stand for that I feel like Trump has done some stuff that's like if you were to talk about like different ideas coming and going and what with it whatever's popular um I feel like Trump represents that more than bided right now but see I I agree there's been change I like the the pivots that Trump represents on republicanism meaning I I like that there's a more of attention to the working middle class I like that there's some trade protectionism baked in I like that there's a more dovish attitude toward War um across the world meanwhile Bill Clinton there ain't no way he could be a Democrat I don't care what he says today the Bill Clinton the 1990s there's no way he could be a democrat in 202 for I mean probably but I mean the literally every part of the old Republican institution has been completely thrown out right um you know McCain and his daughter all of the traditional Republicans that don't fall in line with Trump like every single part of the old Republican establishment I mean look at the majority speaker positions in the house where where the Republicans lost the their majority speaker seat for almost a month um the Republican part is tearing itself apart right now trying to figure out like are we Republicans and conservatives are we just like people that follow Donald Trump literally wherever he goes um I think that I think the Republican part is having a much bigger crisis of identity right now than the Democratic party is I I think that online it's weird because the left is very loud online and they seem like very crazy and extreme but when you look at the actual lawmakers in Congress it's more or less like it's farther left than it was but it's kind of stock Democrat stuff like it's a pretty easy continuation of Obama stuff but the Republicans okay I want to ask you um finally I want to ask you about your personal life I think you talk about your personal life right certainly a lot of people do yeah so tell me if I have it right bisexual open marriage but now divorced uh from the relationship that was an open marriage accurate yep um okay does do open marriages work uh some of them probably do some of them probably don't I've been in a lot of relationship probably is carrying a lot of weight that probably is carrying a lot of weight I mean it might be but the 50% divorce rate in the United States today among ordinary heterosexual ordinary marriage couples is also carrying a lot of weight I will say also for my um is it 50 still I think it I don't know if it's 50 still well I keep saying it I haven't corrected on it yet so I'm GNA keep going with 50 until somebody says that I'm wrong um for my for my ex I loved her very much we um she was Swedish and I was American so the only way she could live with me is if we got married it wasn't as though like we went into the you know church and we were like listen I love you forever we're going to be together forever it was more like you literally can't even visit me unless we get married so um we loved each other and I mean you guys are the federal government that's enough for getting married so that was that but then I mean obviously the marriage didn't work but I mean I've had a lot of ordinary heterosexual straight did it not work because of because it was open um no I think it didn't work because I don't know how much you do B stuff but my life is just my life is insane I have a lot of crazy stuff that goes on and I'm working constantly like I just flew into New York City today to do your show I'm doing two more and then I fly back tonight and then I'm back to work and yeah I think my life is just very incompatible with any type of any type of ordinary human relationship and everything at all yeah and I mean the re it's it's a joke I it's literally I think a comedian's joke you know like everybody like says oh yeah open marriage but in the end human beings are human beings and and jealousy is is a constant I just I mean I understand what you're saying but I like man right now what's one of the biggest fights going on in terms of marriage is a guy that wrote an article about how happy he was that he was traditional he was a virgin until his marriage until his marital night that he waited and dated one girl and did everything correctly and wrote that article on posted on the Fox News website I think 11 years ago and now Steven Crowder and his wife are uh embroiled in one of the most brutal back and forth battles for custody of their children and for division of assets that the entire internet is witnessing right now and that was like a marriage that was totally by the books but nobody will attack that marriage and go well you know just because it was closed these are the issues so I understand that people disagree with my lifestyle choices and you know what that's great and I'm glad they do and they can even voice it because it's America but it's also America so we could live our lives and do different things and yeah we touched on this do do you I said it I didn't hear your response do you think the family is the the functional foundational element of society um yeah I would be hard pressed to think of something that is more fundamental than that other than the individual I guess but yeah families are probably the Cornerstone it's what gives us a desire to do anything for the future right is for what we pass out to our children um it's what gives us a desire to structure our neighborhoods and our societies the way they are you know around educating our children keeping them safe and everything so yeah I would I would say so yeah and I mean if that's the case then and I'm not looking to debate you personally and your choices on whatever it but like if that's the case then all these you know approaches to open marriage or whatever don't they disrupt that fundamental foundational element that builds Society um I mean I I think that it's important to understand why families are good for children and then to make sure that if you're having a child and everything is working well that those elements are respected um so for instance my ex and I might have had you know like an adventurous life in terms of what we did together or you know within our relationship or outside of our relationship but I mean if we would have had children obviously the structure of that would have changed pretty significantly um you know we're not there's not going to be crazy stuff happening in the home when we've got kids present there you know life is going to change accordingly as it always does when you have a child or two or three all right so listen man um first of all I know you said you're going to do two other shows while you're New York New York I appreciate you flying up um and going into Fox to do this I appreciate the interaction the back and forth this was not um necessarily the most um pointed debate um where I know we would have vigorous disagreement on things but if there's ever anything like that in the future you're welcome to come here on the will Cane show and we can have a um a point to debate on specific issues as they come up and they will come up and you're welcome here and I appreciate you coming on Destiny thanks for having me I appreciate it and yeah I hope that everybody's remembers like there's really awesome cool things that happen in this country that can only happen to this country that's true today it was true 10 years ago it'll be true hopefully in the future and yeah we should focus more on like those positive things and kind of work towards building them and critiquing them rather than yeah just throwing everything out and saying it's all broken and we have to start over again look at you you're trying to avoid falling into your own own trap destruction trying my best yeah creation is much creation is much more fun than destruction and harder but all right Destiny thanks so much for being on the will Kane Show thanks for having me all right there you go you can check him out by the way on YouTube um uh it's Destiny I've got it right here um it's Destiny uh at YouTube and on Kick and on X at the Omni liberal he debates a lot of people as we said in the in the outset of the interview all right coming up the trial of Donald 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Elon Musk I disagree as mentioned in our debate with Destiny I like the populist movement of the right um this handle which I don't think I can say because I don't know how to translate it uh but um yeah he says this will K guy is far less unhinged than I'd hoped for I don't know what you were hoping for you know going into that conversation with Destiny it was a little bit of like you know all the viral stuff is like this the big explosive moments between Jordan Peterson or Candace Owens or Piers Morgan and I don't know I feel like that was somewhat representative of the stuff that used to take place on first take and maybe if Destiny comes back here on the will Cane show and we have a specific debate about a specific topic you know instead of going deep which we went deep pretty quickly um there are those moments but I didn't want to do something that I feel like just is there for the fireworks U that is there for the sacran I I wanted something with substance with nutrition so I want to see how he actually thinks and share how I actually think and see you know I don't know if it's representative all wherever this divide is in America Thomas Anderson said the left is the side that keeps saying America is already great and Douglas Lindsay says Stephen is making some sense who knew not me yeah I agree I thought there was a lot of interesting stuff to come out of that interview there with Destiny so the trial of Donald Trump is dominating every headline on every website and every social media post and every television channel it will go on now for the better part of a month and the question is will all of this earned media benefit Joe Biden or benefit Donald Trump let's take a quick survey of History first dating back to 2016 any type of attention for Trump worked to the benefit of trump MSNBC CNN every element of not just the left but the mainstream middle screamed about the threat of Donald Trump but in the end it worked to his Advantage he literally probably lived on the maximum that all attention is good attention now you could argue that didn't translate in 2020 then comes all of the indictments every single indictment led to an increase in popularity for Donald Trump but that was again among the Republican base so how does that play in a general election well most poll suggest that he'll suffer if the result of this trial is Donald Trump convicted felon but what I would suggest is combining that historical perspective with the current environment the current polls my suspicion is this doesn't work out for Joe Biden that it works out for Donald Trump because what the public needs is Simplicity the public needs to come away with convicted felon Donald Trump this trial and exposure gives depth about the politicization of this trial you learn that they were misdemeanor at passor statute limitations you learn how they're inappropriately charged up to a felony and the more more you learn with the more earned media I think serves as an 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it's called the Indiana Fever Little did I know that's what they're called the fever of Indiana and that left a lot of people afterwards who had seen her salary going what the hell Caitlin Clark will make $350,000 roughly over four years as a rookie in the WNBA first year $74,000 final year of her contract about $95,000 Russell Wilson of the Pittsburgh Steelers said this is an injustice these ladies deserve to be paid more money well I don't know how he defines deserve but he apparently doesn't Define it according to economics I said last week that Caitlyn Clark would not bring in my prediction ratings over from women's college basketball over into the WNBA maybe I'll be wrong and if she does I'll be happy to watch the ratings soore and then and then we'll be happy to watch the salaries for WNBA players go up right now by the way the highest paid players in the WNBA make about 200 uh50 $50,000 a year but the truth is higher salaries are not demanded are not deserved according to the law of Economics here's some comparison the NBA generates 10 billion a year in Revenue the WNBA about a $100 million Adam Silver the commissioner of the NBA which by the way subsidizes and owns the WNBA has said it's never turned to profit never that means it runs in the red doesn't make any money subsidized by the NBA that means they're a long way from seeing salaries get anywhere near other professional athletes but their salaries do reflect the beginning of other leagues that went on to huge popularity want to know Babe Ruth's salary for Major League Baseball in 1914 Babe Ruth made $600 that year let's adjust it for inflation $600 in 20 24 is $20,000 a year Babe Ruth made $20,000 a year in 194 by by the way his sixth year in the league he was making $20,000 in 1920 money adjusted for inflation that's $325,000 a year Major League Baseball has started to develop a more commercial Market probably in no small part driven by someone like Babe Ruth maybe Caitlyn Clark can have a similar effect but what she has is a salary that not only reflective but it's probably somewhat inflated for a league that doesn't make money isn't yet popular and therefore not economically undeserved but economically representative maybe again and I hope for her sake that she takes this league to popularity and to the top maybe she takes this league to a point where she can make salaries that make Russell Wilson proud but until then this is simply the law of supply and demand the number people that watch the WNBA not the number of people that talk about it on X and this is a matter of how much money a league can generate until now this salary is more than just for Caitlyn Clark and the players of the WNBA all right that's going to do it for me today here on the will Cane show make sure you hit subscribe Apple Spotify YouTube you go back you can share and watch our conversation and debate with Destiny I'll see you again next time [Music] pap [Music]

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Length: 71min 36sec (4296 seconds)

Published: Tue Apr 16 2024