Why your 3d printed stuff doesn't fit together and how to fix it!

do you ever print two things that are supposed to go together and they don't it happens a lot so I think it's about time we talked about it let's go this video is sponsored by PCB way more on that later also a trigger warning words like tolerance fit and clearance these are engineering Concepts they are going to be used interchangeably in this video to basically mean all the wrong things I am not an engineer and this will become painfully obvious in the next few minutes so this thought process started really with prusa slicer and the new pegs feature in case you didn't know prusa slicer now has these automatic pegs that you can make but the problem is on the default settings they almost certainly will not fit the reason why it's pretty straightforward fdm is a process of pushing plastic nice alliteration there through a round nozzle into what's often called a bead and it's somewhat predictable but it's not square at least not at the edges you are effectively guessing where the edge of the filament will Land Based on the shape it makes and how far it expands outwards as it's laid down if you add to that the variance between filaments and viscosities and nozzle sizes you have exactly the problem we need to solve stuff doesn't fit or stuff fits on the designer's machine they share the STL and it doesn't fit on yours and so on before we get on to what I made to try to solve this I want to just fly by a couple of important Concepts the first is about wall ordering Cura calls it wall ordering Pusher slicer calls it external Primitives first which is more obvious but it's completely the same thing if you imagine the process of Extrusion but larger the number of Walls is typically more than one unless you're doing weird stuff I mean sometimes you use one wall like vars mode but the default for a slicer is to draw the center line first and then move to the outside wall last but as you probably guessed the aforementioned setting reverses that and prints the outer walls first and the inner walls last the issue is if you print the inside wall first then this is a whole messy process in real life where the inside wall will squish it will settle and it will expand outwards because there's nothing constraining it and it will cool and when you have to print the outer wall it's like when you find a seat in the cinema that you've booked but the person next to you has already got there before you and he sprawled over the armrest and you have to kind of politely try to lean over to the other side we've all been there the way a slicer works is to assume that when you place the nozzle in the center of the line width which is how it how it does it in Cura at least and then extrude you get equal amounts of material deposited on each side of where the center of the nozzle is but in reality due to the guy in the next seat hogging the armrest phenomenon the second and subsequent lines in a perimeter will not sit perfectly centered like the ideal scenario the slicer will have you believe in the preview so because the bead will be constrained on one side the result which seems obvious now we think about it the edge will overfill on the other side in my experience at least this gets worse the more walls you have so the effect will compound this is why outer wall first exists to try to direct that squish the other way I know it sounds like you ought to have outer wall first as a default and that seems like it ought to make sense and it is true but the reason it's not default in slicers is if you try doing outer walls first with any overhangs then you will soon see the problem with that so at least on models without overhangs until slicers get smarter about wall ordering and they could really they could change the wall ordering by layer um until that happens it's a good idea to set out a wall first on models that you want to be dimensionally accurate but also make sure that any overhangs are correctly supported so that is all well and good but being dimensionally accurate is only half the story Parts still need to actually fit and even dimensionally accurate Parts won't fit if you don't allow for the real world if a peg is the same size of the hole it's meant to go into it seems like common sense that it won't fit we need to allow a clearance between Parts even theoretically you need to do this you can't have two sets of edges of two objects occupying the same space but how much tolerance you need to allow in your design is pretty much guesswork and highly subjective I'll show you what I did after the sponsor segment which is of course for PCB way and I certainly imagine their PCB tolerance is a lot better than you can get on an fdm printer that gives me an idea actually a PCB way can make Parts using methods you can't if you have an fdm printer so if you want only tolerances far more consistent than you can achieve at home then you could consider say DLP without having to deal with resin at home you could choose the service for 3D printing send your STL file uh just upload it and PCB way will take care of everything there's also CNC Machining sheet metal processing injection molding and of course PCB manufacturer and there's extensive guides on each of those if you click click on the respective services so even if you aren't familiar with the service you can get the information you need to design appropriately for that service go check out PCB Way's website at the link below in the description and thank you PCB way for sponsoring this episode so back to the video I made this some of the stuff I make is useless some of it people find useful I think it's quite early to call it on this one but even if it's totally useless then at least hopefully we've learned something here and you leave with some knowledge about wall ordering uh linear Advance clearances we'll get to linear advance in a minute but this gauge is for finding the right tolerance for the filament you're using if you are printing Parts on multiple printers with different filaments and those swell in different amounts and for example silk filament um it really does swell if you haven't noticed that then yeah it you can watch it swell just as it comes out of the nozzle you may think you have the right space in between Parts but often you don't and there is no way to gauge that without having to print the entire part uh watch it fail print it again this is all a huge waste of filament until now because this gauge hopefully solves that what we have is a gauge piece that you print on one printer or in one filament and then some pegs that you print on the other printer or filament it's imperative very imperative that for these two parts you print using the exact same settings and conditions that means the same filament and printers and speeds that you plan to print with um otherwise you're not going to get an accurate representation of the actual materials you're using the pegs have dots on the bottom this indicates the clearance that has been built into the peg relative to the gauge so a peg with two dots on the bottom has 0.2 millimeters built-in clearance as in it's built into the design if you know that your design has two millimeters of Tolerance then use the peg with two dots you then want to try to fit that peg into the center hole of the gauge if it fits perfectly in both the rounded square holes in the center then you are good to go your part will hopefully print with the right spacing but this is also a diagnostic for when inevitably it doesn't fit in the center hole or it doesn't fit properly you have two choices when that happens you can remain on the same Peg I.E using the 0.2 millimeters of clearance and you can move left or right on the gauge until you find a good fit and this will give you the uh percent reduction or maybe even an increase and not very common uh that you might think about adding to get a good fit finding that the peg fits in the plus two percent hole would mean for example you need to make the part uh two percent bigger for the peg to fit into all thereabouts or if you're designing the part yourself you might want to control the clearances in which case you can swap out the pegs until you find one that you like that fits in the center hole and then you know the clearance that you want to design for of course bear in mind that there are different desired fits you might want an interference fit which uses friction to hold Parts together and those I think are probably the hardest to pull off in fdm because everything has to be absolutely perfect or you might just want different levels of clearance it's all down to the intended use if you don't know the design clearances on the part you're printing them remember that slicers have tools in them that allow you to measure distances between parts and you can use this to figure it out you have the new Pusha slicer measuring tool for example and there's a plug-in in Cura for it too I think this is quite a cool idea but I have literally only just made it so I really have no idea how well it works in the real world or whether I just haven't thought it out properly it might be absolutely useless so I hope you will consider trying it out and giving me some feedback I will link to it below in the description I think there's probably a need for a larger one for larger line widths because on a 0.6 nozzle you probably need bigger pegs and bigger holes I just didn't want to waste any more filament than necessary so I will follow up with um with a larger gauge for that use so finally uh what about the situation where the round Peg fits but the square one doesn't this is kind of inherent to how fdm printing works so it will not be a surprise if that happens it's actually pretty common fdm does not make perfect squares in fact it doesn't make perfect corners it's actually far better at circles and this is something that linear Advance actually addresses so if you find this is a huge problem where the corners are particularly um expanded out compared to the sides making squares look a bit like cushion shapes then this is almost certainly something from poor pressure control and if you have linear Advance available on your printer then that's where you need to start looking first but even that aside I think it's inevitable that Parts with straight edges and Corners like squares will need more tolerance than round Parts meaning round pegs will always fit square holes so I guess we know why that saying is the other way around now of course this is an ongoing discussion I'm interested to see where this goes as usual please comment below and let me know what you think any feedback and so on remember to subscribe if you're into this kind of thing and I will see you next time thank you for watching [Music] foreign [Music]

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Length: 10min 24sec (624 seconds)

Published: Tue Feb 28 2023