I had ASA Poisoning! 25 IMPORTANT Filament Answers!

welcome into the studio for a bit of filament questions and answers Mrs LM is here hello and she has a list of questions from our twitch and YouTube communities she's gonna ask him I'm gonna answer him and hopefully it's all gonna make us better printers today's episode is generously sponsored by polymaker the world's largest manufacturer of 3D printing filament they provide all the filament for our twitch Channel and our YouTube channel and we are very grateful for it I'll have their link on the screen and the description below go check it out thank you Polly maker first up is pla polylactic acid the most common 3D printing filament in the 3D printing industry so Mrs LM what are the first questions first one is how should pla be stored so people look at the wall behind me I mean and they no doubt see that there's a lot of filament just sitting out on the shelves it is hydroscopic don't get me wrong but if I was to put it on a scale of one to ten I would probably say it's around a three it does absorb moisture but we we're on a mountain with relatively low humidity so it's not a problem for us if you live near a large body of water or in a very you know high humidity area you may have to dry it that's not very common how do you store it I store mine out in the open a lot of people store theirs in in bins and bags but I just remember it's really not as hygroscopic as a lot of people tend to believe all right what's the next question what is a good price for pla because sometimes I see on Amazon something as low as eight dollars pla filament ranges from about 10 to about thirty dollars if you get over 30 into 35 into 40 for pla that's usually a more Boutique filament that's kind of expensive if you get under 12 15 of spool oh you're kind of getting into a danger zone where the filament's going to be so inexpensive that you might tend to have quality issues so there can be in filament there can be problems where as the filament's extruded you can have thin spots and then you can have thick spots and it's really those thick spots that can cause jams in 3D printers and cause clogs when you get to the lower price point in filament you know under that under that 12 School Ten Dollar spool that's where you're more likely to have those problems and I think on Amazon when I see a spool of filament it's eight dollars that's two inexpensive so I would just be wary is pla safe to print okay that's a good one okay interesting is it safe to print like is in like is it toxic to print yes oh okay got it gotta got it I don't recommend I mean you can have a 3D printer in your bedroom that's fine if you're gonna print things like plas that's fine um I think that you should have ventilation uh you need to have an open window you have to have a large enough room where there's fresh air coming in in and out especially if it's in a if it's in a place where you sleep only print plas maybe even ptgs in there but always have fresh air and ventilation pla uh hasn't hasn't been proven to have any negative Health impacts or effects that we are aware of so I think if you're printing plas you're going to be fine um as long as I said as long as you have fresh air it's not going to be like like any of the other toxic filaments or filaments with uh you know harmful vocs like abs's and ASAS things like that but no it is a it is a relatively safe filament and matter of fact there's an awful lot of it that gets printed in our house that's a good question with Stella all right what's next I see a lot of colors for PLA and lot of different options what is exactly the difference between plas pla Pros or pla pluses okay so that's a good question we get that question a lot on the show and what is the difference basically between a PLA and a pla Pro and some of the companies have their pla pluses or hdplas htplas things like that usually what that means is that there's additives the additives help it to be a little bit more flexible or a little bit more characteristic of ptg so it won't be as brittle it'll be a little bit more impact resistant things like that so that's your primary difference between PLA and a pla Pro and I would say if you have the chance experience a pla Pro experience a pla plus and I think that your you will have a better overall 3D printing experience if you're printing with pla pros and Pele pluses it's you're just going to find it it'll print just as well if not better and your results will be a little bit uh better quality that's a good question okay what's next I print a lot our pla prints recyclable oh oh the recycle you would think right pla is a bioplastic so it's a derivative of corn and sugar cane and other things like that so you would naturally think that it would be recyclable but the truth is it's not because it can't be heated and cooled and heated and cooled and recycled and reused so unfortunately um it's one of those things where you print with pla it's going to end up in the trash um it's going to end up in the landfill now the good news is is it's renewable right I mean ultimately renewable right we can grow corn and uh in in sugarcane so and it does biodegrade now it's not as biodegradable as some people think it is or want it to be if you threw it in your compost pile out in your backyard you're probably not going to see it break down within a year or two it's going to be much longer than that industrial composting yes but no not your backyard but the good news about that is is it doesn't matter you can smash it up you can put it in the trash it's going to go off to a landfill and in that landfill in the next five to ten years um it'll completely break down and be gone so pla ultimately is biodegradable um but it is not recyclable so most recycling places won't even touch it they won't take it that's a good one that's a really good question so that's it is that the last question for pla no actually there is one more oh people are concerned about abrasive filaments glow in the dark and even some say polyterra okay well that's okay so polyterdates have minerals in it so I can see that so okay so abrasive filament so that would be a glow-in-the-dark wood fill carbon fiber um polyterra things like that but yes abrasive plas are going to wear down a brass nozzle so you're gonna have to print with like a hardened steel nozzle or some type of a special nozzle like a like for instance slice engineering's gamma Master nozzle things like that yes glow in the darks they are abrasive and it really depends on the brand sometimes you can get away with printing spools and spools of glow in the dark filament in a brass nozzle other times you print one spool or even get through a half a spool of glow-in-the-dark filament on a brass nozzle and you've already blown out and also completely so it really depends on the brass nozzle or the type of nozzle you're running in the in the in the brand of filament now as far as polyterra polyterra is a line of filament from polymaker our sponsor up there it is 25 mineral by weight which is actually really fantastic so during the pla shortage a few years ago the r d team from polymaker created a new recipe for PLA and they called it polyterra and it's 25 mineral and they do something actually fantastic where every spool of polyterra filament is sold they plant a tree which is really cool so not only do you have this renewable bioplastic that's made from corn and sugar cane but you also have it on cardboard spools and you also have it being made 25 by weight from minerals from the earth so it's a fantastic pla gorgeous matte finish and it's something if you haven't tried it you should I think it's reasonably priced and well they plant a tree every time you buy a spool of it so yeah give it a shot that's a great question is that it last one all right that's the last question for pla let's move on now we have p-e-t-g so petg stands for I'm gonna I'm gonna cheat and I'm gonna read it uh petg stands for polyethylene Terra phthalate glycol and in the stages of 3D printing people start with PLA and then they graduate that and they move into petg it's like the next step up but it can be a little bit more difficult to print this this will be interesting to find out what questions we have about ptg but go ahead missile what do you got the obvious one what is the main difference between petg and Pla the main differences are that it's going to require a little bit more heat so you're going to be around 220 230 up to 240 to 250c on the nozzle it's extremely sticky it's going to stick to the nozzle it's going to stick to the heater block one thing that people don't know about ptg that I think that they well at least they overlooked that ptg is UV resistant so if you're thinking about printing things for your garden a lot of people are printing plas but in fact if they were to print ptgs yeah they're they're going to fare quite a bit better because um ptgs are I can't say naturally UV resistant but ptg G's are UV resistant and I think a lot of people miss that petgs are gorgeous they also have a lot of different colors right so the colors are bright and vibrant uh ptg is translucent so as you can see right there uh I'm kind of turning that with the lights there they they just shine and they reflect so beautifully um let's see what else price wise is petg cheaper or more expensive than pla it's about the same um you're gonna find that ptg is going to be somewhere around probably 15 to 30 dollars of school if you're trying to buy a spool of TTG and it's over 30 a spool that better be a pretty special ptg yeah about 15 to 30 is is fair and there are some really amazing colors uh that are out there in ptg so I really recommend it people go give it a shot today's printers today's slicers and profiles they make it a heck of a lot easier so yeah definitely give btg a shot don't be afraid of it what else what's another one is petg food safe because I want to make things like Cookie Cutters I knew this one was coming so this so I knew this question was going to come because this is a question that comes up all of the time I mean it is food safe as far as yeah could you eat off of it absolutely could you reuse it re-wash it uh that becomes the tech the technical problem there um because there are going to be micro cracks whenever you 3D print and there's little places for a bacteria to get in and grab hold and grow one-time use like a cookie cutter that you're gonna print one time you just dispose of it um I think that that's that's absolutely fine but prolonged use I I wouldn't I wouldn't recommend it just because of 3D printing the nature of the layer lines and the micro uh cracks in in places for bacteria to grab hold of what's another one you talked about petg being too sticky how do I get it off my build plate how do I make sure that it's not everywhere okay my printer ptg is very sticky so petg is uh it is most commonly found in soda bottles there's some sports equipment ptg is in the bubble packaging that we get when we buy products it's also in electronics if you're putting on a glass build plate you're gonna have to put an interface layer down like like a glue stick or something like that um to ultimately keep it from sticking too much to it to the point to where you try and remove it it'll shatter the glass but there is something that's interesting and I haven't tried this yet but this was sent over to us from slice engineering and this is called their PRP it stands for plastic repellent paint and this is It's a basically it's a PTFE liquid and you apply it with a little brush on the nozzle and on your heater block and it just propels any of the plastic that we print so it would no matter where the ptg sticks it would just peel off and then you can just reapply a little PRP would be just fine so in place of a sock on your got it so they're good all right this petg absorb moisture yes so petg does absorb moisture it's going to absorb moisture more than pla I'd say on a scale of 1 to 10 I'd say that petg is going to be about a four or five as far as hydroscopic goes my first experiences with a filament that absorbed moisture was with petg on a crucial Mercury S I literally was halfway across the room and I could hear the popping and the sizzling that was coming from the ptg that absorbed moisture yes it definitely does absorb moisture and it if you want that perfect surface finish with btg and you know better quality make sure that you know you're either in a low humidity area or you definitely have thrown it in a filament dryer and we'll have uh links uh to like a filament dryer uh and things like that maybe even on the screen but we'll definitely have in the description below fixed dry actually sent us a fantastic film and dryer that we've been using up here and so I'll have that links are in the description below can I recycle petg print recycling ptg yes and no pet very recyclable the G is kind of what causes the problem sometimes not all recycling facilities will take key teaching and so I think it's a fantastic idea to call ahead and ask if they will if not they're they're just going to put it in the landfill so if you don't want it to end up in a landfill then what I would recommend is calling and finding out to make just to make sure that you tell them that it's ptg and these are the 3D printed things and ask them say are you going to recycle this or I mean are you just going to take it and you're just going to send it off to a landfill you can ask them that but that I hope that answers your question it's a yes and a no really depends on where you're at and what facility you're working with is that it that's it okay perfect all right so now we're moving on to I think is it ABS hey thanks for watching and I hope you're enjoying our content we're not done we still have abs ASA and nylon to talk about but we would love to have your like and we'd love to have your subscribe helps us out a lot alright here we are ads this one is a popular one because ABS is an extremely versatile polymer but it stands for acrylic nitrile butadiene styrene and Mrs LM I bet there's questions about this one because it's a very popular plastic like I said it's very versatile and I think a lot of people want to print with it there's just a lot of doubt in people's minds when it comes to ABS on whether or not they think they can or can't print it so what do we have first one is why would someone choose to print with abs why would someone choose to print with abs well ABS is a like I said it's a very common polymer so ABS is going to be in sporting equipment our drain waste Event Systems and our houses are all abs abs is very common in the injection molding world so abs like I said it's a very stable plastic it's a very strong plastic very flexible so yeah I mean that's why we would want to print with the ABS what else we have do you need to dry it before printing yes so ABS on the level of hygroscopic ranking as far as my level of one to ten be like I said pllay being about a 3 petg being about a four um ABS I'm gonna put it a five ABS should be dried you can throw it in a dryer it's not going to hurt it if you're in a low humidity environment up here like me I don't really dry abs yes I do dry ASA sometimes but not really but I would say that abs for the most part if you want good quality prints you should you should keep it dry because it is hygroscopic and do you need an enclosure to print with it ah okay this is an interesting question do you have to have an enclosure to print ABS no should you um yes likely ABS is prone to warping so unless you have an incredible bed adhesive and you're running like a vision Miner uh nanopolymer adhesive um or or magiku or which actually this stuff's pretty cool we haven't tried it yet um this was sent over us to us by th3d this is their bed cement this is interesting because a lot of the other formulas for bed adhesives they always have a recipe for the specific type of filament or like a group of filaments right the different groups of polymers it is formulated for and I'll just read it off the bottle pla petg ABS ASA nylon polycarbonate TPU carbon fiber and glass fiber filled filament so I think that's that's kind of interesting we're actually looking forward to it's blue oh that'll wake you up yeah it's kind of an interesting uh offering from thcd and we'll check it out soon but but ultimately ABS does work if you're printing it outside of an enclosure you're gonna definitely have to have some sort of a bed adhesive to hold it down to prevent it from warping I think the best way to print ABS is going to be in a nice warm environment where you can keep the polymer stable while it's printing so it cools evenly prevents the work sorry for the long-winded answer but what about vocs does s and abs stands for styrene and that is toxic to breathe so you don't want to do that if you're going to be printing ABS you're going to want that to be vented to the outside or in a room where there's a lot of uh like a lot of airflow ventilation open window you're not going to be wanting to print ABS or ASA or nylons and all those kind of things in sleeping areas you know for humans and animals they breathe too so be careful that uh yeah there is toxins that do come from printing with abs and so I would I would just be worried of that can I recycle my abs prints abs is highly recyclable because it is one of the most common Plastics or polymers in the world a lot of research has been done in into recycling abs and I want to say if I remember it ABS might be one of those ones that's like infinitely recyclable like they can just continually recycle it and it goes into new products and then those you can just recycle and on and on and so forth um so yeah but definitely recyclable yeah any place they'll take ABS I already know the next one that's coming so I'm going to scroll down here right here it's going to be ASA all right ASA stands for acrylonitrile styrene acrylate and it is what I'm going to call the high-tech version of ABS it's new it's fancy it's got some benefits to it over abs and and I want to say that that I really think that people if you're going to be printing ABS or ASA and you're going to go in that direction give Asa a try I think you'll be surprised but what questions we have I don't want to give away too much well what what are the main differences between abs and ASA so this is this is uh ABS these two are abs and this is an ABS traditional like a pop green color this is from polymaker and we'll have uh links to this stuff in the description below and this is a Galaxy purple so this actually has a uh glitter in it so abs's are coming quite a long way in becoming fancy and bright and fun and lots of options they used to be boring they used to be just Grays and blacks and whites and blah but now abs's they're becoming really cool this is Asa it's just in its oil bag it's just black that's what this is this is a black Asa from playmaker the difference between abs and ASA is that I forgot the question was that right question okay yes uh the difference is is that it's one it's more expensive about probably five dollars a little more expensive on average um and I think that price ranges from about oh 30 to 50 maybe about 30 to 50 dollars a spool for ASA so it can get kind of expensive the main difference it is UV resistant so like I said it's a higher Tech version of ABS also they are doing some fun colors with Asa a handful years ago you could get reds greens blues and that was about it and and but now we're seeing glitter ASAS and we're seeing all sorts of really fun bright bold colors because printers now are making it easier for people to print ASA and the recipes are becoming a lot more stable so I hope that answered it yeah so can you really get sick from aasa and abs fumes okay so I get that question a lot and I told this story an awful lot ASA poisoning is a real thing to make this really quick um I had ASA poisoning and I was working in uh the office with a couple of razor 3D printers that were printing ASA and they actually had the the carbon filters in the printers and over a couple of days I started to get headaches I started getting to feel nauseated and I actually felt like it was the flu I told Mrs Alam that I'm gonna go lay down I didn't quite feel well a couple hours of sleep and with in a new area right new environment with fresh air I felt better Upon returning back to the uh to the office with those three printers within within minutes to half hour to an hour I was getting sick again and I thought it was I thought it was the flu I went laid down again this went on for about a day or so um and on the third or fourth day I think that's when I realized something's not right it's this room and I really couldn't smell it anymore but I was feeling it I looked up ASA poisoning the symptoms and it was exactly how I was feeling and just so you know ASA poisoning the siren loads up in your blood system and eventually your body will just switch off and and it can be fatal so be careful print in a well ventilated area even if the printer has a filter that's not good enough at least it wasn't for me and to make sure there's fresh air and yeah but be careful with that definitely don't be printing this around people around so an enclosure is not enough just because it has an enclosure with a filter that's not a safety these printers aren't sealed so if you were to take a look at this printer right here there's quarter inch gaps around all the panels on the lid the air is moving in and out of that printer and not all of the air is going out uh through that filter so even though it's pulling fresh air in and blowing it out through that filter there's still fumes from ASA and abs escaping and absolutely I mean I was in a room with uh two or three printers printing ASA and yeah no I did get sick so that and this is my honest personal experience so be very careful with it when you're printing with it I know it's coming next though I think yeah you've asked you've asked it for every single one I bet it's going to say is it recyclable people are very concerned about the plastic they put back in they want to know are my ASA prints recyclable so that so yes in Mrs Ellen is right people want to know 3D printing creates a waste I'm going to say something controversial here and that is is that uh it doesn't really matter what we print it doesn't matter if we print these helmets it doesn't matter if we're printing you know little you know mini LMS sitting on horses it's waste and eventually everything that we that we make as makers and Crafters is going to end up in a landfill somewhere and so we have to be responsible about that so if we can recycle something so it can be reused or repurposed and we should is Asa recyclable you want to say yes but it's really going to come down to the recycling facility and whether or not they want it to be a lot of places say they'll take it but then it just ends up in the bins that go off to the landfill call and ask if they'll take ASA and then ask specifically after they say yeah we'll take it you say well is it being recycled or is it being sent off to landfill ask them is that it so next we are moving on to nylon the last of the filaments that we're going to talk about today and this is an incredible filament that I wish more people would experience and I understand it's a little bit more expensive I know it's harder to print with but I really wish that people would would kind of step outside that pla step outside of the petg you know go past abs's and ASAS and get yourself up to nylon be because it is an extremely versatile polymer so let's hear the questions because I can't imagine there's a whole lot of popular questions about this because not a lot of people print with nylon but what do you have not a lot of questions but the main one is is it worth a hundred dollars a hundred dollars who's selling nylon for a hundred dollars you said 50 to 5 50 to 100. oh 50 to 100 oh I was like oh my gosh I was like yes there's a whole 50 range up to 100 I was like we're going right into the hundred dollar filament okay no wow nylons range from about fifty dollars a kilogram up to about a hundred dollars a kilogram and be careful when you're ordering nylon you're gonna see nylon for 36 dollars you're gonna see nylon for 30 or 29. uh that's not a whole spool that's a half a spool um that's three quarters of a spool so it's like the 500 grams 750 grams so pay attention when I first started ordering nylon matter of fact my first orders from nylon were from matterhackers years ago many years ago and I remember I ordered a ton of it I was all excited and they showed up on these like 500 gram spools and I'm like what is this that effectively doubled the price of all that nylon that I bought so I was shocked yes nylon is a little bit more expensive but it is extremely strong and very durable and it is one of the most common Plastics that's in our environment is it worth a hundred dollars yes I mean because like I said um nylon being a little bit more expensive you'd say 50 or so like that you know for three quarters of a spool a hundred that's gonna be nylons that are like carbon fiber filled glass filled Kevlar filled so it can be depends on the brand and what else so what do you need to print with nylon uh nylon you're gonna have to an enclosure so nylon warps it is the king of warping also nylon is highly hygroscopic on my scale of one to ten it is an eight or a nine it sucks up water it's what it does it's what it's best at so warping and sucking up water that's what nylon does so uh it is that's why it's a lot more challenging to print with if you're going to print with nylon you need a printer that has an enclosure and you are going to need bed adhesive it doesn't matter how you squish that on your first layer it doesn't matter how clean your your Pei build sheet is it doesn't matter you will have to hold down that print with some type of adhesive also you don't want to take the chance if your spools of filament are 50 to 100 a spool do you really want to take the chance when you're burning through two three four hundred grams of filament that right towards the middle or end then it warps off the bed no you don't so uh it's definitely uh something that you should consider so one of the things that I really have a lot of success with is this nanopolymer adhesive from Vision minor and it's got a really fine tip on it you can't really see it here I'll see this really fine tip right there that allows me when I clean the build plate I'll take some of that Nano polymer adhesive and I'll put it on there and I'll brush it where I'm where I know the print's gonna go and I let it go I let it print now when it's printing that little fine tip on there is perfect for the corners of your prints or those outlying areas you can reach over and you can just put a little dab and let that capillary action kind of pull that nanopolar adhesive into the underside of that print right to the bed and it'll lock down the corners and you will not have a failure if you're running a surface like build tack which are these the surfaces in these race 3D machines it works so well that if you're not careful when you're trying to remove the print it'll actually tear the layers of the build tack apart so um it's what we use for polycarbonate it's what we use for nylon and things like that when we print up here how about that what what's next heated Chambers I want to know do I need that you don't have to right you need an enclosure um because of drafts and things like that but you don't have to have a heated enclosure but it should be warm and keep drafts out I will tell you that the GDX plus 3 which is a printer that we've looked at recently I it's one of the most under recognized features of that printer is it has an active heated chamber so there's actually a chamber heater with a fan keeping that environment warm and you can set the temperature in the slicer and that makes for printing nylons like that's a game changer if you don't know anything about that printer go check it out we'll have a link on the screen in the description below but it's called the Chidi X plus three and they have their Max which is like a helmet class size and close 3D printer so go look at those and the last question is the recyclable one so this one for sure so nylon is 100 recyclable and it is infinitely recyclable nylon is one that you can recycle and then it'll get pulled back into the manufacturing Pipeline and it'll get processed and then it'll get put back into products and so on and so forth so definitely don't mix your nylon with your abs's and your plas and ptgs things like that keep your nylon print separate and those can be recycled so yeah definitely um and we like that is that it that's it well that's fantastic well I hope you enjoyed it thank you Mrs Ellen you're welcome if you have questions that we didn't get to or we didn't answer we will be doing a part two on different filaments and we can always go back and answer these questions but put those in the comments below we'd love to hear from you thank you to our YouTube members you are what make this content possible if you'd like to have your name included in every single one of our videos click the little join button down below we'd love to have you now I'm going to put Mrs LM on the spot and she's going to read all of the wonderful YouTube members and there you go thank you JD Davis Jesse West four pipes David washnik wasting time three BPS data Captain jarebear91 sir will 3D Joel Finn brandon0109 cam Nicholas luppy lutonium the zinsia Patrick W 3D rip artist Three Dog Night septral your buddy to neck Buddha 3D and Jedi Spidey all right thank you we'll see on the next one bye

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Published: Wed Sep 27 2023